Re: Installing on Windows XP

2005-06-25 Thread Patrick Hubers

Richard Glascodine schreef:

Also, the installer kind of 'froze' at 99% (annoying) but when I clicked 
cancel a window popped up and said installation complete, so I carried 
on anyway.


It looks like you're using the Cygwin version, right? The installer 
normally seems to hang, but if you wait long enough, it should complete 
by itself. However, I would advise you to use the native Windows 
version, it's easier to install and works faster than the Cygwin 
version. The current version (2.5.something) works great, but you might 
want to wait for 2.6.0 if you're uncomfortable using a "non-stable" version.


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Re: Languages other than English on the mailing list

2005-06-25 Thread Jay Hamilton, Sound and Silence
I too can read the French but it would be very convenient to have a 
translation so I do not inadvertently misunderstand.

Merci
Jay

Benjamin Esham wrote:


On Jun 24, 2005, at 9:10 AM, andrea valle wrote:

(...Ehm, I'm sorry to be  unpopular and I don't want to seem  
unkind...).
I understand with no problem French and I like it very much even if  
I cannot speak it, but the language of the list is, helas!, English:

http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Maybe other people cannot understand French and they are excluded  
from discussion.



Perhaps when a message is posted in a language other than English,  
people who can read that language could send a [rough] translation to  
the list as well.  That way, people could ask questions even if they  
do not speak English (though getting replies would be another matter,  
I guess).  If I see a message in French and no one has sent along a  
translation, I may do this to make sure the question reaches the  
broadest possible audience.


Any other thoughts about this?



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Re: Installing on Windows XP, anybody got a script for converting abc to lily?

2005-06-25 Thread Jay Hamilton, Sound and Silence

Richard-
If you know anything about abc files?  It's a system mostly for trad 
(read folk) music usually single line though it is more flexible than 
that.  Anyway the 'programing' is similar, rather simple and then you 
just need a program to translate it to notation.


Again similar to the convert.ly part of lily except lily doesn't read 
abc files.
Tabledit does and it's something else that you could be familar with as 
it is both a notation/guitar program and does some of what lily does too.


What age/levels are you working with?
Jay

Richard Glascodine wrote:

Wow! Thanks for the quick response. Done what you said and it works! I 
like the example files! It really does look classy. I think I agree 
with you, re: the teaching. However it could be a link between 
programming and music - I dont know, as I know next to nothing about 
the former,


Anyways

Thankyou for your time

Rich.


From: "Jay Hamilton, Sound and Silence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Richard Glascodine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Installing on Windows XP
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:30:47 -0700

Richard-
I teach also and I'm not sure if this program will do the trick at 
this stage in it's development.  It's very time consuming and 
constantly changing.


That said.

Run the set up exe and that's when you should be able to place the 
icon and other info where you need it.


Ex.  For convenience in my mind I made a lily folder everything is in 
there.
There will be a welcome file and it will tell you what to do next.  
From there it's a matter of really using the documentation- cutting 
pasting and constantly correcting.


In all honesty I have found that working with lily... in linux is 
about 8x easier than in XP  even though running linux is probably 7x 
harder to run in a usual way.


If you've had experience with Sibelius/Finale/Sunhawk/Noteworthy/ and 
some programing then lily will be just another step into the world of 
control  but it's a really tall step.


Jay

Richard Glascodine wrote:


Sorry about that, I pressed Enter by accident!

Hi,

Yeah, I'm really keen to try out lilypond. I too agree with you that 
Sibelius Scores et al just dont look right- they look really amatuer 
dont they. Anyway I digress


I followed your instructions about downloading lilypond for WIndows 
XP through setup.exe. My question is what happens after it has 
downloaded, does an icon appear on my start menu or do I have to 
type a command line or something? (Which I'm not sure how to do).


Some things which may help: I chose a differerent download site 
because the one on the top took ages (about 0.6kbs) - I have 
boadband - thats a shit rate!


Also, the installer kind of 'froze' at 99% (annoying) but when I 
clicked cancel a window popped up and said installation complete, so 
I carried on anyway.


If you could clarify a few points for me that would be great as I 
really want to see what the results are like.


I'm starting a music teaching course in September (for schools) and 
I'm just sussing out open source software, to see if they are 
suitable in my music teaching.  (I'm also sussing out linux as well 
but its confusing!)


Many thanks

Richard Glascodine

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parse error

2005-06-25 Thread Tobias Sebastian Kuhn

Hi!

I just installed Lilypond with fink on my ibook G4 (10.3.9.).
When I tested dyld didn't found libkpathsea.3.4.5.dylib.
I only have libkpathsea.4.0.0.dylib so i made a link to it with this  
name.

That caused this result:

tbook:~ tosek$ lilypond foo
lilypond (GNU LilyPond) 2.2.6
Running lilypond-bin...
Now processing `foo.ly'
Parsing...

/Users/tosek/foo.ly:1:1: error: parse error:
{


/Users/tosek/foo.ly:2:0: warning: Braces don't match:

a
Failed files: foo.ly


lilypond: error: LilyPond failed on input file foo (exit status 1)
lilypond: warning: Running LilyPond failed. Rerun with --verbose for a  
trace.



tbook:~ tosek$ lilypond --verbose foo
lilypond (GNU LilyPond) 2.2.6
Opening pipe `/sw/bin/lilypond-bin --version '
Opening pipe `kpsexpand \$TEXMF'
Opening pipe `kpsewhich -expand-path=\$T1FONTS'
Invoking `/sw/bin/lilypond-bin  -I /Users/tosek -I /Users/tosek -I  
/Users/tosek -H dedication -H title -H subtitle -H subsubtitle -H  
footer -H head -H composer -H arranger -H instrument -H opus -H piece  
-H metre -H meter -H poet -H texttranslator -H textheight -H  
fontencoding -H latexheaders -H language -H latexpackages -H papersize  
-H pagenumber -H inputencoding -H latexoptions -H linewidth -H unit -H  
orientation --verbose foo'

lilypond_datadir: `/sw/share/lilypond'
local_lilypond_datadir: `/sw/share/lilypond/2.2.6'
localedir: `/sw/share/locale'
LILYPONDPREFIX: `'

[/sw/share/lilypond/2.2.6/scm/define-music-types.scm][/sw/share/ 
lilypond/2.2.6/scm/output-lib.scm][/sw/share/lilypond/2.2.6/scm/ 
c++.scm][/sw/share/lilypond/2.2.6/scm/chord-ignatzek-names.scm][/sw/ 
share/lilypond/2.2.6/scm/chord-entry.scm][/sw/share/lilypond/2.2.6/scm/ 
chord-generic-names.scm][/sw/share/lilypond/2.2.6/scm/stencil.scm][/sw/ 
share/lilypond/2.2.6/scm/new-markup.scm][/sw/share/lilypond/2.2.6/scm/ 
bass-figure.scm][/sw/share/lilypond/2.2.6/scm/music-functions.scm][/sw/ 
share/lilypond/2.2.6/scm/part-combiner.scm][/sw/share/lilypond/2.2.6/ 
scm/define-music-properties.scm][/sw/share/lilypond/2.2.6/scm/auto- 
beam.scm][/sw/share/lilypond/2.2.6/scm/chord-name.scm][/sw/share/ 
lilypond/2.2.6/scm/define-context-properties.scm][/sw/share/lilypond/ 
2.2.6/scm/translation-functions.scm][/sw/share/lilypond/2.2.6/scm/ 
script.scm][/sw/share/lilypond/2.2.6/scm/midi.scm][/sw/share/lilypond/ 
2.2.6/scm/beam.scm][/sw/share/lilypond/2.2.6/scm/clef.scm][/sw/share/ 
lilypond/2.2.6/scm/slur.scm][/sw/share/lilypond/2.2.6/scm/font.scm][/ 
sw/share/lilypond/2.2.6/scm/define-markup-commands.scm][/sw/share/ 
lilypond/2.2.6/scm/define-grob-properties.scm][/sw/share/lilypond/ 
2.2.6/scm/define-grobs.scm][/sw/share/lilypond/2.2.6/scm/define-grob- 
interfaces.scm][/sw/share/lilypond/2.2.6/scm/page-layout.scm][/sw/ 
share/lilypond/2.2.6/scm/paper.scm]

Now processing `foo.ly'
Parsing...
[/sw/share/lilypond/2.2.6/ly/init.ly[/sw/share/lilypond/2.2.6/ly/ 
declarations-init.ly[/sw/share/lilypond/2.2.6/ly/nederlands.ly][/sw/ 
share/lilypond/2.2.6/ly/drumpitch-init.ly][/sw/share/lilypond/2.2.6/ly/ 
chord-modifiers-init.ly][/sw/share/lilypond/2.2.6/ly/script-init.ly][/ 
sw/share/lilypond/2.2.6/ly/scale-definitions-init.ly][/sw/share/ 
lilypond/2.2.6/ly/grace-init.ly][/sw/share/lilypond/2.2.6/ly/midi- 
init.ly[/sw/share/lilypond/2.2.6/ly/performer-init.ly]][/sw/share/ 
lilypond/2.2.6/ly/engraver-init.ly][/sw/share/lilypond/2.2.6/ly/ 
dynamic-scripts-init.ly][/sw/share/lilypond/2.2.6/ly/spanners- 
init.ly][/sw/share/lilypond/2.2.6/ly/property-init.ly]][/Users/tosek/ 
foo.ly

/Users/tosek/foo.ly:1:1: error: parse error:
{
  c'4 e' g' }
]((gc-time-taken . 63) (cells-allocated . 227450) (cell-heap-size .  
464896) (bytes-malloced . 1065261) (gc-malloc-threshold . 1230753)  
(gc-times . 30) (gc-mark-time-taken . 34) (gc-sweep-time-taken . 29)  
(cells-marked . 3232099) (cells-swept . 5705632) (cell-heap-segments  
(3301376 . 3252224) (3321856 . 3305472) (3735552 . 3670016) (3837952 .  
3739648) (3989504 . 3842048) (4157440 . 3993600) (4374528 . 4161536)  
(4706304 . 4378624) (7045120 . 6553600) (7786496 . 7049216) (8167424 .  
7856128) (22089728 . 20992000)))]

/Users/tosek/foo.ly:1:9: warning: Braces don't match:
{ c'4 e'
 g' }
Failed files: foo.ly
lilypond: warning: `lilypond-bin' failed (status 1) (ignored)


lilypond: error: LilyPond failed on input file foo (exit status 1)
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/sw/bin/lilypond", line 873, in ?
run_lilypond (files, dep_prefix)
  File "/sw/bin/lilypond", line 296, in run_lilypond
ly.exit (status)
  File "/sw/share/lilypond/2.2.6/python/lilylib.py", line 130, in exit
raise _ ('Exiting (%d)...') % i
Exiting (256)...
Cleaning /tmp/@732.0lilypond...


Anybody has an idea what's wrong?



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Re: Languages other than English on the mailing list

2005-06-25 Thread Arjan Bos


On 25 jun 2005, at 18:22, Jay Hamilton, Sound and Silence wrote:

I too can read the French but it would be very convenient to have a  
translation so I do not inadvertently misunderstand.

Merci
Jay



Not only that, but posting your question in a language other than  
english will deprive your access to a big pool of knowledgable people  
who can discuss in English, but can't in the posted  language.
What I'm trying to state is that you do yourself a favour by posting  
in English.


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Re: parse error

2005-06-25 Thread Graham Percival


On 25-Jun-05, at 10:55 AM, Tobias Sebastian Kuhn wrote:

tbook:~ tosek$ lilypond foo
lilypond (GNU LilyPond) 2.2.6


Please either use fink unstable and lilypond (2.4.6, IIRC), or the
new binary package (preferred option, gives 2.5.32) downloaded
from the lilypond website.

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Re: scm functions scope and arguments

2005-06-25 Thread VSD

Nicolas, your answer was very helpful - thanks


There should not be parens alone on a line. When you read Lisp or Scheme
code, parentheses are not that important, what you look at is
indentation.


Me coming from C/C++ and pascal, I find scheme quite hard to read  
actually, but I guess it's a matter of being used to it. Thanks for the  
hint, I'll follow it :)




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Re: Languages other than English on the mailing list

2005-06-25 Thread Nicolas Sceaux
Arjan Bos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On 25 jun 2005, at 18:22, Jay Hamilton, Sound and Silence wrote:
>
>> I too can read the French but it would be very convenient to have a
>> translation so I do not inadvertently misunderstand.
>> Merci
>> Jay
>>
>
> Not only that, but posting your question in a language other than
> english will deprive your access to a big pool of knowledgable people
> who can discuss in English, but can't in the posted  language.
> What I'm trying to state is that you do yourself a favour by posting
> in English.

How curious may it seem to you, not every body on this planet can write
in English. I've seen fontconfig and pango in LilyPond's
dependencies/requirements, not English language read and written.

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Re: Installing on Windows XP, anybody got a script for converting abc to lily?

2005-06-25 Thread Mats Bengtsson

The LilyPond distribution does indeed contain a program called
abc2ly, see the section on "Converting from other formats in the
LilyPond manual.

However, if you use the new installation package for Windows, there
are some extra tricks needed to run the extra programs like convert-ly
and abc2ly, since they rely on the program Python that isn't included
in the installation (at least as far as I know) see the mailing list
archives for more information.

   /Mats

Jay Hamilton, Sound and Silence wrote:

Richard-
If you know anything about abc files?  It's a system mostly for trad 
(read folk) music usually single line though it is more flexible than 
that.  Anyway the 'programing' is similar, rather simple and then you 
just need a program to translate it to notation.


Again similar to the convert.ly part of lily except lily doesn't read 
abc files.
Tabledit does and it's something else that you could be familar with as 
it is both a notation/guitar program and does some of what lily does too.


What age/levels are you working with?
Jay

Richard Glascodine wrote:

Wow! Thanks for the quick response. Done what you said and it works! I 
like the example files! It really does look classy. I think I agree 
with you, re: the teaching. However it could be a link between 
programming and music - I dont know, as I know next to nothing about 
the former,


Anyways

Thankyou for your time

Rich.


From: "Jay Hamilton, Sound and Silence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Richard Glascodine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Installing on Windows XP
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:30:47 -0700

Richard-
I teach also and I'm not sure if this program will do the trick at 
this stage in it's development.  It's very time consuming and 
constantly changing.


That said.

Run the set up exe and that's when you should be able to place the 
icon and other info where you need it.


Ex.  For convenience in my mind I made a lily folder everything is in 
there.
There will be a welcome file and it will tell you what to do next.  
From there it's a matter of really using the documentation- cutting 
pasting and constantly correcting.


In all honesty I have found that working with lily... in linux is 
about 8x easier than in XP  even though running linux is probably 7x 
harder to run in a usual way.


If you've had experience with Sibelius/Finale/Sunhawk/Noteworthy/ and 
some programing then lily will be just another step into the world of 
control  but it's a really tall step.


Jay

Richard Glascodine wrote:


Sorry about that, I pressed Enter by accident!

Hi,

Yeah, I'm really keen to try out lilypond. I too agree with you that 
Sibelius Scores et al just dont look right- they look really amatuer 
dont they. Anyway I digress


I followed your instructions about downloading lilypond for WIndows 
XP through setup.exe. My question is what happens after it has 
downloaded, does an icon appear on my start menu or do I have to 
type a command line or something? (Which I'm not sure how to do).


Some things which may help: I chose a differerent download site 
because the one on the top took ages (about 0.6kbs) - I have 
boadband - thats a shit rate!


Also, the installer kind of 'froze' at 99% (annoying) but when I 
clicked cancel a window popped up and said installation complete, so 
I carried on anyway.


If you could clarify a few points for me that would be great as I 
really want to see what the results are like.


I'm starting a music teaching course in September (for schools) and 
I'm just sussing out open source software, to see if they are 
suitable in my music teaching.  (I'm also sussing out linux as well 
but its confusing!)


Many thanks

Richard Glascodine

(wannabe lilypond user)

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Re: Title of a multi-movement piece of several ly files

2005-06-25 Thread Mats Bengtsson

Move the \header{...} blocks into the respective \score{...} blocks,
i.e. something like:
\score{
  ...
  \header
{
piece="Kyrie"
composer=""
tagline= ""
}
}

  /Mats

Imruska wrote:

Hello,

I created a Palestrina Mass score, each movement (Kyrie, Gloria, Credo, 
Sanctus, Benedictus, Agnus I, Agnus II) in an independent file, and I 
tried to create a file (missa.ly) to contain them all, using \include 
"kyrie.ly" \include "gloria.ly" etc.


The header of missa.ly is:

\header {
title = "Missa Sine nomine"
composer = "Palestrina"
tagline = ""
}

whereas the headers of the individual files are

\header
{
piece="Kyrie"
composer=""
tagline= ""
}

I copied this from a file my brother did with Lilypond 1.6.5, and it 
worked there.


I'm using 2.5.31 on Linux, and this does not work, I do not get title, 
nor composer, and I get for each movement the piece title of "Agnus Dei 
II", i.e. the piece information of the very last file.


How can this be done? I did not find information about this in the 
manual, either.


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Re:converting abc to lily?

2005-06-25 Thread Jay Hamilton, Sound and Silence

Mats- that's very interesting.
What I can't see/find in the archives, or maybe just don't understand is 
how to acquire

abc2ly or the midi2ly or python for that matter.
Also when the instruction say invoke-
I know where and how to do that in linux but am a bit uncertain as to 
how to go about that in XP-
Does it mean that the program is already part of lily and that I need to 
run it from a command line?

Jay

Mats Bengtsson wrote:


The LilyPond distribution does indeed contain a program called
abc2ly, see the section on "Converting from other formats in the
LilyPond manual.

However, if you use the new installation package for Windows, there
are some extra tricks needed to run the extra programs like convert-ly
and abc2ly, since they rely on the program Python that isn't included
in the installation (at least as far as I know) see the mailing list
archives for more information.

   /Mats

Jay Hamilton, Sound and Silence wrote:


Richard-
If you know anything about abc files?  It's a system mostly for trad 
(read folk) music usually single line though it is more flexible than 
that.  Anyway the 'programing' is similar, rather simple and then you 
just need a program to translate it to notation.


Again similar to the convert.ly part of lily except lily doesn't read 
abc files.
Tabledit does and it's something else that you could be familar with 
as it is both a notation/guitar program and does some of what lily 
does too.




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Re: Languages other than English on the mailing list

2005-06-25 Thread stk

Nicolas Sceaux wrote on 2005 June 25:

> How curious may it seem to you, not every body on this planet can write
> in English. I've seen fontconfig and pango in LilyPond's
> dependencies/requirements, not English language read and written.

Yes, well put.

When I recently became interested in this clearly international mailing
list, I assumed that users adventurous enough to tackle the complexities
of Lilypond would of necessity be flexible, certainly the sort of people
who have figured out that if you want to have any hope of extracting
maximal information from the Web, you'd better be able to at least read
straightforward French, Spanish, Italian, German and Dutch.

I see I was mistaken.

I have witnessed, hundreds of times, conversations with person A speaking
one language and person B replying in a different language.  Encouraging
such a procedure here would seem better than driving away those who are
not comfortable presenting a question in English.

-- Tom



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