Re: Lyrics alignment problem

[Riccardo Orfei]

Riccardo Orfei wrote:
I am sure.
Alas, "the last famous words"!
I have been invited by Mats to send him my stuff, which I did, and the 
very next minute I found out what the problem was:
I didn't remove the "\new Lyrics" after each \lyricsto clause, 
nullifying the effect of the grouping.

Of, course, everything works as aspected and as described by Mats. 
Thanks again.

An interesting issue is raised by this experience: I often fail to "see" 
the relations among the various components in the lily syntax.

May it be because I don't know the scheme language, may it be my 
personal dumbness (;-)

Anyway, starting from the primary concept of "context", there is really 
a lot to absorb.

With your valued help, I will keep trying.
Cheers,
Ric
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Re: question opening 2.4.5-1.rhfc1.ccrma-RPM

[Michiel Lange]

Remember that RPM is also the extention Real Player uses.
It could be that Mozilla thinks it's an audio file and then finds that
it is not the kind of rpm it expects.
try downloading it only and then installing the file with rpm like:
rpm -ivh lilypond-2.4.5-1.rhfc1.ccrma.rpm

Also mind that you have to take care about where you get your
files from. Make sure the source is trusted.

Hope this helps a bit.
Michiel
dax2 wrote:

  On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:28:33 -0500 (CDT)
Hector wrote:

  
  
	I downloaded lilypond-2.4.5-1.rhfc1.ccrma.i386.rpm.

	When I try to run rpm, I receive the message that it is not
	a rpm file. 

	What should I do?


  
  
Are you sure it is the true rpm-file you have downloadet? Sometimes
Mozilla gets an errormessage and puts it into the downloaded filename
especially when there is a link-chain before you get the actual 
archive or RPM-file.

So please check the length of the file. Maybe look inside the
first part of the file with hexdump? Check the file with the
"file" commandline command?

Ok - if you don't know how to use the commandline, look at the
file properties and return with the length (and checksum) of the
file.

If you are not using Fedora Core 1, then choose another download-RPM.

If you have the newest KDE, you can click and open RPM's with Kpackage.

Good luck!


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Re: Help!

[Michiel Lange]

First make sure why you are considered spambot. Maybe you're an open 
relay mail server.
You will become spambot then! Fixing that should become a top priority 
for you!

Then: why would being registered as a spambot prevent you from 
downloading? Are you not connected to the internet and was this message 
sent from another place? If so: download lilypond from that location, 
put it on a disk or some kind of portable medium and take it along with 
you and install it that way.

Or ask someone to download the required cygwin packages and put them on CD.
Consider upgrading from windows 98 as I am not sure how well things will 
work on win98

Michiel
Jorge de Buen wrote:
Tijuana, B. C., 12 de abril del 2005
Hello!
I would like to download LilyPond, but I'm considered "spambot" (I'm not, of
course). I'm using Windows 98 -- sorry, but for now there is nothing I can
do about it. What should I do?
Saludos.
Jorge de Buen U.
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Re: question about lilypond

[Mats Bengtsson]

In addition to the previous answer; I hope you have realized that the
LilyPond program is very different from most other programs you have
experienced in Windows. It's definitely one of these programs where you
should not expect to be able to do anything useful unless you have read
at least the full Tutorial. On the other hand, once you have got used
to this way of working, many people on the mailing list have testified
that they are very happy with the result and that entering music this
way is mostly much faster than using a mouse based graphical interface.
   /Mats
iordache wrote:
Hello.I downloaded Lilypond and the test. The test worked out fine, but 
when I tried to enter Cygwin a black window appeare with the words 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  ~.What should I do next?


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Re: music-drawing-routines.ps

[Mats Bengtsson]

OK, time for some debugging!
- What do the following commands return?
printenv TEXMF
kpsewhich music-drawing-routines.ps
- What is the full path to the file in your installation?
   /Mats
dpeach wrote:
Sorry, I replied off list. Here is my reply again for the world to see.
Thanks for the reply Mats.
 > but it looks as if the problem is that the environment variables
 > are not set correctly. LilyPond comes with a script called
 > lilypond-profile (or lilypond-profile.sh) that should be sourced
 > to get the correct environment variable settings.
After figuring out how to source something (for those who don't know, 
you type: source then the file name of what it is you would like to 
source in a terminal) I did that with lilypond-profile.sh. I got no 
output, which from my reading is a good sign. But it still does not 
work. I then took a peek inside the script and saw some interesting 
things about directories. Tried to manually create some things, but 
running lilypond still gives me the same output in the end.

 > Another possible problem that I know has appeared in some packaging
 > of LilyPond is that only root had read permissions for some of the
 > files under .../share/lilypond/.
Already looked into that and I have read permissions available for 
everyone. (It was automatically set for that, I did not change anything).

Any other thoughts?
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Re: default lyrics font ?

[Paul Crabbe]

Le 13 avr. 05, à 15:41, Mats Bengtsson a écrit :
>What LilyPond version?
>At least for LilyPond 2.2 and 2.4, you get the same font if you do
>\fontseries{b}\selectfont
>(the normal boldface font in LaTeX is 'extended bold' which
>is a bit more spaced out than the 'bold' used in LilyPond).
thanks, it's the 2.4 version.
that leads to an other question:
my original ly document layout  is just fine, and I would like to keep 
the same when integrating it in a tex file with lilypond - book.
I uses tricks like
\setlength{\textwidth}{18cm}
   \setlength{\textheight}{25cm}
in the LaTeX document, but is there a simpler way to keep the original 
ly file layout ?
Thanks a lot
Paul


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Re: Some questions

[Mats Bengtsson]

Jonatan Liljedahl wrote:
Hi! I'm new to Lilypond (2.5.18) and this list, and have some
questions/comments:
how can I do custom drawing functions?
how can I do custom spanners? I'd like one with a straight line with an
arrowhead at the right end:
"textA --> textB". TextSpanners can't draw arrows (?) and they don't
nest.
some stuff collides, for example ottava and dynamics, and suspedal and
dynamics.
Change the padding property on one or the other.
how to pass stuff (args or vars) to postscript markup?
how to add global postscript header code? (for custom postscript
functions)
is there any variables available in inline postscript markup to tell
anything about the object attached to? (coordinates, etc...)
The origin of the postscript coordinate system will correspond to
the normal position of the text script (or syllable if you have the
text markup within a lyrics line or ...), which means that

how can I use other fonts in markup? (like for instance Symbol and
ZapfDingbats)
how can I turn of drawing of cautionary accidentals? (with
modern-cautionary style they are drawn inside parantheses but I'd like
them not to be drawn at all)
The set-accidental-style function actually sets the propoerties
autoCautionaries and autoAccidentals, that are described in the
program reference for the Accidental_engraver (see the end of
the page on automatic accidentals). If you want other combinations,
you can set these directly. The settings given by the different styles
are described in the file scm/music-functions.scm.
   /Mats
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Page layout, Was: default lyrics font ?

[Mats Bengtsson]

Paul Crabbe wrote:
Le 13 avr. 05, à 15:41, Mats Bengtsson a écrit :
 >What LilyPond version?
 >At least for LilyPond 2.2 and 2.4, you get the same font if you do
 >\fontseries{b}\selectfont
 >(the normal boldface font in LaTeX is 'extended bold' which
 >is a bit more spaced out than the 'bold' used in LilyPond).
thanks, it's the 2.4 version.
that leads to an other question:
my original ly document layout  is just fine, and I would like to keep 
the same when integrating it in a tex file with lilypond - book.
I uses tricks like
\setlength{\textwidth}{18cm}
   \setlength{\textheight}{25cm}
in the LaTeX document, but is there a simpler way to keep the original 
ly file layout ?
You could use something like
\usepackage[hmargin=10mm,top=5mm,bottom=6mm,headsep=4mm,footskip=4mm]{geometry}
I'm not sure if it gives exactly the same layout and the result may
also depend on what version of the geometry package you use, but I
took the numerical values from the LilyPond initialization file
scm/paper.scm
  /Mats
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Re: Font documentation?

[Mats Bengtsson]

This is a bit intricate and involves knowledge both about
TeX and LaTeX font handling in general and how it's done
within LilyPond. Are you really sure that you want to get
into this mess? Also, the font handling in the current
development version, 2.5.xx and the upcoming stable 2.6
will be quite different, so I don't recommend you to spend
too much effort now.
Anywa, to learn about font handling in LaTeX, run the command
texdoc fntguide
to see the documentation. Also, there's some more documentation
at http://www.tug.org/tetex/tetex-texmfdist/doc/.
However, LilyPond doesn't use these high level font commands,
rather it uses low level TeX commands that directly specifies
the name of the font file. This name, in turn, is determined
based on the font related properties of the corresponding
layout object in LilyPond.
For example, to find out the default font used for lyrics,
go to the section in the on-line manual on "Entering lyrics" and
follow the link at the bottom of the page to the program reference
for the LyricText layout object. There, you will find that the
font-series is bold-narrow and relative size is +1. To find out
other possible font related properties to set, click on the
link font-interface. The mapping in LilyPond from these properties
to the actual font file isn't really documented so you have to
go to the source code file, which is
/usr/share/lilypond/2.4.3/scm/fonts.scm
   /Mats
Fairchild wrote:
I've been fooling with fonts and getting flusterated.
Is there documentation that will answer such questions as:
 - What is the default font?
 - What is unique to the default font?
 - What font sets are conveniently available?
 - How to reach other font sets that are provided with download?
 - Which are scaleable?
 - What are the font set file naming conventions?
 - What file types (extensions) can be used: .cm, .mf, .tex, . . .  ?
 - How many characters are in each font set: 128, 256, . . .  ?
 - How to peek at the font sets?
 - What are the characters for  and ?
 - Etc., etc.
Using 2.4.3 under Cygwin, Windows XP.  

I'm not asking for detailed answers to these specific questions, though 
they would be helpful, but for pointers to documentation.

Thanks.
   - Bruce

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Re: Page layout, Was: default lyrics font ?

[Paul Crabbe]

Le 14 avr. 05, à 13:34, Mats Bengtsson a écrit :

Paul Crabbe wrote:
Le 13 avr. 05, à 15:41, Mats Bengtsson a écrit :
 >What LilyPond version?
 >At least for LilyPond 2.2 and 2.4, you get the same font if you do
 >\fontseries{b}\selectfont
 >(the normal boldface font in LaTeX is 'extended bold' which
 >is a bit more spaced out than the 'bold' used in LilyPond).
thanks, it's the 2.4 version.
that leads to an other question:
my original ly document layout  is just fine, and I would like to  
keep the same when integrating it in a tex file with lilypond - book.
I uses tricks like
\setlength{\textwidth}{18cm}
   \setlength{\textheight}{25cm}
in the LaTeX document, but is there a simpler way to keep the  
original ly file layout ?
You could use something like
\usepackage[hmargin=10mm,top=5mm,bottom=6mm,headsep=4mm,footskip=4mm]{g 
eometry}
I'm not sure if it gives exactly the same layout and the result may
also depend on what version of the geometry package you use, but I
took the numerical values from the LilyPond initialization file
scm/paper.scm

  /Mats
that's fine, thanks!
Paul

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Re: wrong font

[Stan Sanderson]

On Apr 13, 2005, at 1:31 PM, Sean Reed wrote:
hi,
i managed to install 2.5.18 on macos 10.3.8 today but the font for the 
dynamics is wrong (looks like just a large typical monaco or 
something).

any suggestions what i missed or how i can reinstall it?
thanks,
sean
Sean-
I found other appearance problems with 2.5.18 (Mac OS 10.3.8) which I 
reported a few days ago. Specifically, bar lines between staves were 
thicker than within staves. As a result, I reverted to 2.5.17 and have 
had no problems.

I still have 2.5.18 installed on another machine (same OS) and don't 
see any problem with the dynamics font.

Did you install from through Fink?
Stan

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Re: music-drawing-routines.ps

[dpeach]

Thanks again for your time.
- What do the following commands return?
printenv TEXMF
kpsewhich music-drawing-routines.ps
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ printenv TEXMF
{/usr/share/lilypond/2.4.5,{!!/home/david/.texmf-config,!!/home/david/.texmf-var,/home/david/texmf,!!/usr/share/texmf-config,!!/usr/share/texmf-var,!!/usr/share/texmf,!!/usr/share/texmf-local,!!/usr/share/texmf-dist}}
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ kpsewhich music-drawing-routines.ps
/usr/share/lilypond/2.4.5/tex/music-drawing-routines.ps
- What is the full path to the file in your installation?
Which file? The one I am having problems with?
There is one here: /usr/share/lilypond/2.4.5/tex/music-drawing-routines.ps
And one here:/usr/share/lilypond/2.4.5/ps/music-drawing-routines.ps
I have not dug in every directory to see where else it might reside. I 
have just stumbled onto those more or less. Both have permissions set 
to: -rw-r--r--  1 root root

I guess this is what I get for changing distros. :-)
dpeach
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RE: Font documentation?

[Fairchild]

Mats -

Thanks for the convincing response.  After rummaging as you suggest, I'm
really sure I don't want to continue digging.

All I really want to do is control markup fonts - so far good enough by
stumbling around.

Please forward my list of questions to those who will document the LilyPond
implementation for the naive user, when it settles.

   - Bruce

-Original Message-
From: Mats Bengtsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:22 AM
To: Fairchild
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Font documentation?


This is a bit intricate and involves knowledge both about
TeX and LaTeX font handling in general and how it's done
within LilyPond. Are you really sure that you want to get
into this mess? Also, the font handling in the current development version,
2.5.xx and the upcoming stable 2.6 will be quite different, so I don't
recommend you to spend too much effort now.

Anywa, to learn about font handling in LaTeX, run the command

texdoc fntguide

to see the documentation. Also, there's some more documentation at
http://www.tug.org/tetex/tetex-texmfdist/doc/.

However, LilyPond doesn't use these high level font commands, rather it uses
low level TeX commands that directly specifies the name of the font file.
This name, in turn, is determined based on the font related properties of
the corresponding layout object in LilyPond. For example, to find out the
default font used for lyrics, go to the section in the on-line manual on
"Entering lyrics" and follow the link at the bottom of the page to the
program reference for the LyricText layout object. There, you will find that
the font-series is bold-narrow and relative size is +1. To find out other
possible font related properties to set, click on the link font-interface.
The mapping in LilyPond from these properties to the actual font file isn't
really documented so you have to go to the source code file, which is
/usr/share/lilypond/2.4.3/scm/fonts.scm


/Mats

Fairchild wrote:
> I've been fooling with fonts and getting flusterated.
> 
> Is there documentation that will answer such questions as:
> 
>  - What is the default font?
>  - What is unique to the default font?
>  - What font sets are conveniently available?
>  - How to reach other font sets that are provided with download?
>  - Which are scaleable?
>  - What are the font set file naming conventions?
>  - What file types (extensions) can be used: .cm, .mf, .tex, . . .  ?
>  - How many characters are in each font set: 128, 256, . . .  ?
>  - How to peek at the font sets?
>  - What are the characters for  and ?
>  - Etc., etc.
> 
> Using 2.4.3 under Cygwin, Windows XP.
> 
> I'm not asking for detailed answers to these specific questions, 
> though
> they would be helpful, but for pointers to documentation.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
>- Bruce
> 
> 
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tuplet and guitar tremolo edits

[David Raleigh Arnold]

These editing shortcuts help with guitar tremolo and
tuplets:

# tuptrems.sed
# tuplets and guitar type tremolo (1st note is different)
# change "tp3 note note note" into: "\times 2/3 {note[ note note]}"
# change "tp5 note note note note note" into:
# "\times 4/5 {note[ note note note note]}"
# tremolo "tr3|4|5" versions take first and second notes only.
/tp3 /{
s/tp3  *\([^ ]*\)  *\([^ ]*\)  *\([^ ]*\)/\\times 2\/3 { \1[ \2 \3]}/g
}
/tr3 /{
s/tr3  *\([^ *\)  *\([^ ]*\)  *\([^ ]*\)/\\times 2\/3 { \1[ \2 \2]}/g
}
/tr4 /{
s/tr4  *\([^ ]*\)  *\([^ ]*\)/ \1[ \2 \2 \2]/g
}
/tp5 /{
s/tp5  *\([^ ]*\)  *\([^ ]*\)  *\([^ ]*\)  *\([^ ]*\)  
*\([^ ]*\)/\\times 4\/5 { \1[ \2 \3 \4 \5]}/g
}
/tr5 /{
s/tr5  *\([^ ]*\)  *\([^ ]*\)/\\times 4\/5 { \1[ \2 \2 \2 \2]}/g
}

Here is an example input:

tr3 e, e' tr3 e, e' tr3 e, e' tr3 e, e'
tr4 e,   e' tr4 e, e'
tr5 e, e' tr5 e, e'
tp3 e, e' e'  tp3 e, e' e'
tp5 e, e f g a   tp5 e, e f g a

Here is the output:

\times 2/3 { e,[ e' e']} \times 2/3 { e,[ e' e']} \times 2/3 { e,[ e' 
e']} \times 2/3 { e,[ e' e']}
 e,[ e' e' e']  e,[ e' e' e']
\times 4/5 { e,[ e' e' e' e']} \times 4/5 { e,[ e' e' e' e']}
\times 2/3 { e,[ e' e']}  \times 2/3 { e,[ e' e']}
\times 4/5 { e,[ e f g a]}   \times 4/5 { e,[ e f g a]}

Also, many many thanks to Jose' Luis Cruz for these settings.
convert-ly updated them with no problem. See the result at

http://www.openguitar.com/files/alegriasrose.pdf

I couldn't figure out the last one, but I didn't need it.
Except for that, these are the numbers actually used.  This
sort of bracket has been used in the Philippines for a long
time.  It is a big improvement to notation IMO.

--used convert-ly from 1.4.2:
\version "2.4.0"

\override TupletBracket #'bracket-visibility = ##t   
\override TupletBracket #'bracket-flare = #'(0.5 . 0.5)
\override TupletBracket #'thickness = #2.0  
%\override TupletBracket #'shorten-pair = #'(-2.5 . -2.5)

I had quite a bit of difficulty with the , golpe, which
is a fairly standard markup in flamenco guitar music. I
was not able to get the <> part bold. Here's how I got
what I got:

r4^\markup{\center-align <"">}

As always, many thanks to Han-Wen and all the developers
for their hard work and manifest accomplishments.  daveA   

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Practice pie charts, plans and schedules are good.
Practice logs, diaries and records are good.
When they fail, and they will, do another.
How else can repeated failure be a recipe for success?

The only technical exercises for all guitarists worth a lifetime
of practice: "Dynamic Guitar Technique".  Nothing else is close.
Free download:  http://www.openguitar.com/dynamic.html
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Re: music-drawing-routines.ps

[Mats Bengtsson]

dpeach wrote:
Thanks again for your time.
- What do the following commands return?
printenv TEXMF
kpsewhich music-drawing-routines.ps

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ printenv TEXMF
{/usr/share/lilypond/2.4.5,{!!/home/david/.texmf-config,!!/home/david/.texmf-var,/home/david/texmf,!!/usr/share/texmf-config,!!/usr/share/texmf-var,!!/usr/share/texmf,!!/usr/share/texmf-local,!!/usr/share/texmf-dist}} 
Looks OK and tells me that you have teTeX version 3, which might
be highly relevant.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ kpsewhich music-drawing-routines.ps
/usr/share/lilypond/2.4.5/tex/music-drawing-routines.ps
OK! I realize now that the relevant thing to check probably is what
kpsewhich -format="dvips config" music-drawing-routines.ps
returns. Hopefully, it should answer with
/usr/share/lilypond/2.4.5/ps/music-drawing-routines.ps
on your system.
- What is the full path to the file in your installation?

Which file? The one I am having problems with?
There is one here: /usr/share/lilypond/2.4.5/tex/music-drawing-routines.ps
And one here:/usr/share/lilypond/2.4.5/ps/music-drawing-routines.ps
I have not dug in every directory to see where else it might reside. I 
have just stumbled onto those more or less. Both have permissions set 
to: -rw-r--r--  1 root root
Have you tried to read them (as a normal user) so it's not a problem
with the permissions higher up in the hierarchy?
So far, everything looks completely normal. As a last resort, you
could try to set the environment variable KPATHSEA_DEBUG to -1,
manually run the command:
dvips  -t "letter"   -u+ec-mftrace.map -u+lilypond.map -Ppdf peregrino
and then look through the resulting debug information that's printed to
stderr, to try to find out why the file isn't found.
If you wish, you could send me a private email with the debug output
if you can't figure it out yourself.
/Mats
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Re: music-drawing-routines.ps

[dpeach]

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ printenv TEXMF
{/usr/share/lilypond/2.4.5,{!!/home/david/.texmf-config,!!/home/david/.texmf-var,/home/david/texmf,!!/usr/share/texmf-config,!!/usr/share/texmf-var,!!/usr/share/texmf,!!/usr/share/texmf-local,!!/usr/share/texmf-dist}} 
Looks OK and tells me that you have teTeX version 3, which might
be highly relevant.
One thing I noticed about this output after I sent it was that it 
mentions 4 directories in my /home/david dir which do not exist! That 
seems important to me. I know 2 of them are hidden, but I have checked 
that and they are not there. This seems key to me.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ kpsewhich music-drawing-routines.ps
/usr/share/lilypond/2.4.5/tex/music-drawing-routines.ps
OK! I realize now that the relevant thing to check probably is what
kpsewhich -format="dvips config" music-drawing-routines.ps
returns. Hopefully, it should answer with
/usr/share/lilypond/2.4.5/ps/music-drawing-routines.ps
on your system.
Nothing. No output.

There is one here: 
/usr/share/lilypond/2.4.5/tex/music-drawing-routines.ps

And one here:/usr/share/lilypond/2.4.5/ps/music-drawing-routines.ps
Have you tried to read them (as a normal user) so it's not a problem
with the permissions higher up in the hierarchy?
Yes, I can read both files as a normal user (using less and the 
filename, is that sufficient?).

So far, everything looks completely normal. As a last resort, you
could try to set the environment variable KPATHSEA_DEBUG to -1,
manually run the command:
dvips  -t "letter"   -u+ec-mftrace.map -u+lilypond.map -Ppdf peregrino
and then look through the resulting debug information that's printed to
stderr, to try to find out why the file isn't found.
I set the environment variable as suggested. I ran the command and it 
gave me the same errors. I am clueless as to what stderr is and googling 
did not shed much more light on the situation. Can you elaborate?

dpeach
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