Re: Trouble starting Lilypond
LilyPond is probably fairly different from most other programs you have experienced before and it's definitely one where you have to read at least the tutorial before you can do anything useful at all. So, start with the Windows specific instructions at http://lilypond.org/web/download/windows.html and then go on to http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.0/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond/Tutorial.html Regarding Finale files, there is a small program etf2ly that can be used to convert them to LilyPond, see http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.0/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond/Invoking-etf2ly.html Unfortunately, there have been several reports on the mailing list that this conversion program has several bugs and limitations. /Mats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi-- I have downloaded the software, and installed it, but when I try to start the program (by clicking on lilypond-bin, I get a message that it can't run because the computer cannot locate cygwin1.dll . I have reinstaled everythign everal times, but I get the same message. What should I try? I am using a Dell P4 1.6 ghz, Windows XP. Also, once I get it going, how do I import a Finale 2004 file into Lilypond? Thank you! Kirk O'Riordan ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- = Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe = ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: syntax definitions (with colour values)
Take a look at the Emacs mode for LilyPond. If you are not fluent in emacs lisp, it's probably easiest to just load some score files in emacs and see what the mode does to it (make sure to set it up according to the instructions in elisp/lilypond-init.el). /Mats Kieren Richard MacMillan wrote: Hello! I'm putting together a syntax definition property list for SubEthaEdit, and was wondering if there is a "standard" already set (i.e., what colours are used for what elements in Lilypond input files), and if so where I could get a hold of such a document. Thanks, Kieren. ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- = Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe = ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Trouble starting Lilypond
Mats Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Unfortunately, there have been several reports on the mailing list > that this [etf2ly] conversion program has several bugs and > limitations. You can say that again. I've used it a couple of times to prepare scores for the choir I sing in, and as delivered it: - only handles major keys; minor keys don't work (I've posted a patch for this, but I'm not sure it always works) - loses silent measures (i.e. full-measure rests); this is easily overcome by inserting the rests manually, _unless_ you have key changes; when you do, some of the assumptions in the script don't hold and the accidentals get really wild. (I've been looking into the script to find a patch for this, too, but so far to no avail.) - mangles lyrics quite badly. All of the above shortcomings stem from serious brain-damage in the ETF file format, so it's the usual garbage in - garbage out situation. I've had the script fail mysteriously as well. There are other shortcomings as well. Oh, and in the final \score block, a <> pair has to be changed to a <<>> pair for the .ly file to work -- this, too, is addressed by my patch (which is in the archives), if I'm not mistaken. I have an impression that noone has put very much hard work into the etf2ly script, probably because a) noone uses it very much and b) converting from brain-damaged file formats is not a funny task. Still, in many cases it gives far superior results compared to midi2ly. As in all cases where you convert music to Lilypond format, though, you must expect to tweak the output. -- Arvid ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
lyrics not quite lining up
I'm using Lilypond 2.0.1 and having trouble getting lyrics to line
up properly. They are finding the right notes, but they tend to be
a bit off to the left or right. They end up overlapping bar lines
and melisma lines and they are a bit hard to follow in some places.
Is this a setup error of some kind? I'm using default options
everywhere on a Mandrake 9.2 setup. It's pretty consistent, so
doing manual overrides seems overkill (it would have to happen on
every lyric).
Two other lyrics questions:
1. I have some syllables that span multiple measures and even
multiple lines. With a melisma it works fine, but with a "--" it
only puts one dash in (as opposed to a dashed line which would seem
to be better). When the syllable spans an entire line, lilypond
doesn't put anything on that line (not even a single dash) and
pulls the next staff up as though there were no lyrics there. Is
there a way to fix this?
2. When I have a melisma that ends at a rest, I get a warning. I
can get around it by putting an empty lyric ("") on the rest but
then I get another warning about having a lyric with no note. I can
also cut the melisma a bit short and have an empty lyric on the
last part of the note, but this seems a bit clumsy. Is there a
better way of doing this?
Thanks for any suggestions,
Russ
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Re: cluster building with ties
Hello, Michael: Don't use the \once tag. This way your property should be set for the entire Voice until changed again. But the exact amount of the tweak might not be the same, right? Therefore (if I understand correctly), I must use the \once tag and call it each time I'm tweaking, yes? Regards, Kieren. ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lyrics not quite lining up
Russ Ross wrote:
I'm using Lilypond 2.0.1 and having trouble getting lyrics to line
up properly. They are finding the right notes, but they tend to be
a bit off to the left or right. They end up overlapping bar lines
and melisma lines and they are a bit hard to follow in some places.
Is this a setup error of some kind? I'm using default options
everywhere on a Mandrake 9.2 setup. It's pretty consistent, so
doing manual overrides seems overkill (it would have to happen on
every lyric).
Please send a small example file that illustrates the problems.
Also, please take a look at the examples
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.0/input/regression/out-www/collated-files.html#lyric-align.ly
and
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.0/input/regression/out-www/collated-files.html#lyrics-bar.ly
to see if they give answer to some of your questions.
Two other lyrics questions:
1. I have some syllables that span multiple measures and even
multiple lines. With a melisma it works fine, but with a "--" it
only puts one dash in (as opposed to a dashed line which would seem
to be better). When the syllable spans an entire line, lilypond
doesn't put anything on that line (not even a single dash) and
pulls the next staff up as though there were no lyrics there. Is
there a way to fix this?
There's no automatic solution (see
http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2003-10/msg00164.html)
but you could always do it with some manual work, see
http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2002-05/msg00242.html
2. When I have a melisma that ends at a rest, I get a warning. I
can get around it by putting an empty lyric ("") on the rest but
then I get another warning about having a lyric with no note. I can
also cut the melisma a bit short and have an empty lyric on the
last part of the note, but this seems a bit clumsy. Is there a
better way of doing this?
/Mats
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slur to staccato
[ Lilypond 2.0.1; Mac OS X 10.2.8 ] Hello, all: Does Lilypond correctly handle slurs that end on staccato notes? While engraving my "Parachute Rag", I am running into the following: Picture 1.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document Seems to me that the first slur should end a little lower than it does (though it's VERY close), and the second should be a different shape as well (this one is farther from "optimal" than the first). I know slurs and ties are a (very) difficult issue in engraving, but is there an easier way to get Lilypond to "do the right thing" than to tweak each slur and tie manually? (Yes, I'm even willing to get my programming hands dirty, if necessary...) Best regards, Kieren. p.s. even untweaked, Lilypond's output is superior to any other engraving software I've seen -- kudos again to the whole team!___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
lyric hyphens sometimes missing from the end of a line
[Yes, I know this probably should have been sent to the bug list, but this is the list I read. Is that OK?] When typesetting hyphenated lyrics, when a line break happens there's under some circumstances no hyphen before the line break. This appears to happen when there's little space left on the line. A hyphen is always printed after the line break, though. A quick glance through a number of (hand-engraved) scores seems to indidate that this is unusual, but not unheard of. I don't concider that a problem as long as there's a hyphen before the line break. Here's an example, with a workaround: lyric-hyphen.ly Description: application/lilypond -- Arvid ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: cluster building with ties
Kieren, You are correct but this way you (hopefully) assure a homogeneous look. I don't think you actually want to tweak each tie/slur you put down. But perhaps a scheme function might actually be what you need... Then again, if the tie/notehead collisions are considered bugs they will probably go away someday... ./MiS On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 08:15, Kieren Richard MacMillan wrote: > Hello, Michael: > > > Don't use the \once tag. This way your property should be set > > for the entire Voice until changed again. > > But the exact amount of the tweak might not be the same, right? > Therefore (if I understand correctly), I must use the \once tag and > call it each time I'm tweaking, yes? -- _ __ __ (_)___ Michal Seta / \/ \ _/^ _| /V |_ \ @creazone.32k.org (___/V\___|_|___/ http://www.[creazone]|[noonereceiving].32k.org ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: cluster building with ties
On Tuesday 28 October 2003 06:01 pm, Kieren Richard MacMillan wrote: > [ Lilypond 2.0.1; Mac OS X 10.2.8 ] Questions: 2. The ties collide with the noteheads -- how can I avoid that? Your tie is no-win. You seem to be trying to indicate which time value on the shared notehead is originating the tie by the tie direction, but tie direction indicates nothing at all. There is no reason to have the tie up or down. It is legal to have a tie quite short and have it end before the tied note when there is no good way through the bushes, but that can be misinterpreted. It would be better to have the tied note on its own stem, since all the notes on the 4th beat are not tied. I would lose the dot and have two ties instead of one, or even have a tied dotted quarter on the third beat, but that's just me. daveA ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
ARGHHHHH !!
For the current cygwin version 2.0.1
This produces a fragment of Lilypond in LaTeX
\begin[16pt,notime,linewidth=0.5in,noindent]{lilypond}
e'1
\end{lilypond}
This does NOT work but used to in 1.6.8 using a
different approach due to the new options in 2.0.1
\begin{tabular}{|c|c|}
\begin[16pt,notime,linewidth=0.5in,noindent]{lilypond}
e'1
\end{lilypond} & semibreve
\end{tabular}
The error generated is "missing } inserted"
Is there any way to work around this ? I realise that due
to the massive amount of work and improvements which have
been done recently this may seem like a trivial point but
the ability to use Lilypond and LaTeX to write musicological
texts is for me one of it's major strengths.
Regards,
Nigel.
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Re: slur to staccato
Maybe http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.0/input/regression/out-www/collated-files.html#slur-staccato.ly can provide some help? /Mats Kieren Richard MacMillan wrote: [ Lilypond 2.0.1; Mac OS X 10.2.8 ] Hello, all: Does Lilypond correctly handle slurs that end on staccato notes? While engraving my "Parachute Rag", I am running into the following: Seems to me that the first slur should end a little lower than it does (though it's VERY close), and the second should be a different shape as well (this one is farther from "optimal" than the first). I know slurs and ties are a (very) difficult issue in engraving, but is there an easier way to get Lilypond to "do the right thing" than to tweak each slur and tie manually? (Yes, I'm even willing to get my programming hands dirty, if necessary...) Best regards, Kieren. p.s. even untweaked, Lilypond's output is superior to any other engraving software I've seen -- kudos again to the whole team! ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- = Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe = ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lyrics not quite lining up
Your mail program managed to destroy the attachment
(for some reason, the file was handled like a plain text
file, the content type should be application/pdf or
application/octet-stream).
Anyway, it seems that you didn't read all of
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.0/input/regression/out-www/collated-files.html#lyrics-bar.ly
namely that you should add the Bar_engraver to the LyricsVoice context
to avoid collisions with the bar lines. This is done with:
\score{
...
\paper{
\translator {
\LyricsVoiceContext
\consists "Bar_engraver"
}
}
}
/Mats
Russ Ross wrote:
Russ Ross wrote:
I'm using Lilypond 2.0.1 and having trouble getting lyrics to line
up properly. They are finding the right notes, but they tend to be
a bit off to the left or right. They end up overlapping bar lines
and melisma lines and they are a bit hard to follow in some places.
Is this a setup error of some kind? I'm using default options
everywhere on a Mandrake 9.2 setup. It's pretty consistent, so
doing manual overrides seems overkill (it would have to happen on
every lyric).
Please send a small example file that illustrates the problems.
I've attached one page of PDF output from a larger score. Some of
the problems go away when I try to extract it to a smaller example.
Here's the relevant input for the first line of lyrics in the
example (the initial skip finishes on the page I provided):
\context Lyrics = sopranoLyrics \lyrics {
\skip1*12/8*16
Kommt,8*8 __ ihr8 Toch*2 -- ter,8 |
helft4 mir8 kla8*8 -- gen8 |
...
when I add the following:
\property Lyrics . LyricText \override #'alignment = #-1
the first "Kommt," moves into the right place but it pushes the
"ter," at the end of that measure even further into the barline.
This also pushes "helft" in the next measure to the right making it
look wrong.
The melisma after "Kommt," collides with the comma and the ends of
measures overlap the barlines quite often.
This is pretty typical of what I'm seeing. If you'd like more
source input to go with it let me know.
Also, please take a look at the examples
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.0/input/regression/out-www/collated-files.html#lyric-align.ly
and
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.0/input/regression/out-www/collated-files.html#lyrics-bar.ly
to see if they give answer to some of your questions.
That was helpful. That's where I found the alignment property above
(which helped) but I'm still not quite there.
Thanks for your help!
Russ
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Re: slur to staccato
Hello, Mats: Maybe http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.0/input/regression/out-www/collated- files.html#slur-staccato.ly can provide some help? Thanks for the link -- it confirmed that I was headed in the right direction. However, being as obsessive compulsive as I am, so far it seems like I'll be tweaking just about every slur in my piece. (Fortunately, I can set up 20 or so "standard tweaks" as presets and apply them rather than typing them out each time...) Best regards, Kieren. ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: ARGHHHHH !!
Have this line at the beggining of your document
\newcommand{\lilypondbook}{}
So you can use then lilypond code inside hboxes, tabulars, and inlined
(among other things)...
José Luis
A 29/10/03 10:30:00
"Nigel Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:
>
> For the current cygwin version 2.0.1
>
> This produces a fragment of Lilypond in LaTeX
>
> \begin[16pt,notime,linewidth=0.5in,noindent]{lilypond}
> e'1
> \end{lilypond}
>
> This does NOT work but used to in 1.6.8 using a
> different approach due to the new options in 2.0.1
>
> \begin{tabular}{|c|c|}
> \begin[16pt,notime,linewidth=0.5in,noindent]{lilypond}
> e'1
> \end{lilypond} & semibreve
> \end{tabular}
>
> The error generated is "missing } inserted"
>
> Is there any way to work around this ? I realise that due
> to the massive amount of work and improvements which have
> been done recently this may seem like a trivial point but
> the ability to use Lilypond and LaTeX to write musicological
> texts is for me one of it's major strengths.
>
> Regards,
>
> Nigel.
>
>
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Re: cluster building with ties
Hello, David: Your tie is no-win. You seem to be trying to indicate which time value on the shared notehead is originating the tie by the tie direction, but tie direction indicates nothing at all. Actually, I'm not (consciously) using direction to indicate anything. However, of all the possible notation options I tried -- multiple voices with rests, all eighth notes with multiple ties, and every imaginable combinations thereof -- the one I settled on is the only one (IMO) that properly shows the specific voice-leading that I intend. (n.b. More accurate/specific yet would be to individually slur the top and bottom voices, but that ended up looking too "grobby"...) As another possibility, is it possible to automatically "mask" the part of the tie that passes "through" (behind) the notehead, like so: tieMask.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document [detail from original image, manually adjusted in a graphics program] Although rare, I have seen examples of this in scores from almost every engraving house you can name. This is what should happen when a tie or slur passes "through" a time signature (does this happen in Lilypond?), so why not for a note head? It would be best if one could apply a setting which indicated which objects would force a mask (e.g., time signatures, note heads) and which objects wouldn't (e.g., stems, staff lines), and of course the mask width. Is this something I can add to the slur-engraver code? Happy to dive in myself, if necessary. Best wishes, Kieren.___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
overriding accidental placement (padding)
[ Lilypond 2.0.1; Mac OS X 10.2.8 ] Hello, all -- I'm trying to put together a "house style" document (to be included in all my .ly files), and want to add a little more padding between a notehead and its first accidental (going right to left, that is). However, I've not been successful (i.e., there has been no effect) with the two things I've tried: \property Score.Accidental \override #'right-padding = #'0.25 \property Score.AccidentalPlacement \override #'right-padding = #'0.25 What am I doing wrong? Thanks, Kieren. ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
standard staff sizes
Hello, all! Is there any obvious relationship between the built-in font/paper sizes in Lilypond and the accepted engraving standards (http://anakin-www-hp.cc.colorado.edu/Dept/MU/Musicpress/Images/S/ StaffSizes.gif)? Thanks! Kieren. ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
making non-TeX fonts available to Lilypond
[ Lilypond 2.0.1; Mac OS X 10.2.8 ] Hello, all -- Sorry if this is a "RT(F)M" question, but I *did* RT(F)M -- and even searched the list archive a bit -- and still don't quite understand what I need to do... ;-) I want to use (for titles, tempo indications, score markings, etc.) fonts that I have in Type 1 (Postscript) and TrueType format. How do I make them available to Lilypond? Any assistance (e.g. a link to a how-to guide) would be appreciated. Thanks, Kieren. ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: ARGHHHHH !!
You have hit the same bug as
http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-lilypond/2003-10/msg00030.html
and the solution is the same:
add the line
\newcommand{\lilypondbook}{}
somewhere before \begin{document}
/Mats
Nigel Warner wrote:
For the current cygwin version 2.0.1
This produces a fragment of Lilypond in LaTeX
\begin[16pt,notime,linewidth=0.5in,noindent]{lilypond}
e'1
\end{lilypond}
This does NOT work but used to in 1.6.8 using a
different approach due to the new options in 2.0.1
\begin{tabular}{|c|c|}
\begin[16pt,notime,linewidth=0.5in,noindent]{lilypond}
e'1
\end{lilypond} & semibreve
\end{tabular}
The error generated is "missing } inserted"
Is there any way to work around this ? I realise that due
to the massive amount of work and improvements which have
been done recently this may seem like a trivial point but
the ability to use Lilypond and LaTeX to write musicological
texts is for me one of it's major strengths.
Regards,
Nigel.
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