Re: [lfs-dev] Update to docbook stylesheets
> From: Matt Burgess > To: LFS Developers Mailinglist > Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 07:47:11 +0100 > Subject: Re: [lfs-dev] Update to docbook stylesheets > . . > > > I've just committed r10355 which updates the stylesheets used to > > > generate the LFS book to docbook-xsl-1.78.1. The commit is likely far . . > as generally in-keeping with the spirit of LFS by using the latest > available version of upstream projects. Well, strictly speaking, _docbook_ is not _in_ _LFS_: it's of course software that's used to generate the _display_ of the LFS book; and if it's a goal to more-or-less _require_ to use the latest software to _display_ the LFS book, then what other requirements might be mandated - minimum browser versions, minimum pdf versions, what? ((More widely, xml is anyhow an in(s)ane way of structuring the core data for lfs &c.)) rgds, akh -- -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-dev] Update to docbook stylesheets
akhiezer wrote: >> From: Matt Burgess >> To: LFS Developers Mailinglist >> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 07:47:11 +0100 >> Subject: Re: [lfs-dev] Update to docbook stylesheets >> > . > . I've just committed r10355 which updates the stylesheets used to generate the LFS book to docbook-xsl-1.78.1. The commit is likely far > . > . >> as generally in-keeping with the spirit of LFS by using the latest >> available version of upstream projects. > > > Well, strictly speaking, _docbook_ is not _in_ _LFS_: it's of course software > that's used to generate the _display_ of the LFS book; and if it's a goal to > more-or-less _require_ to use the latest software to _display_ the LFS book, > then what other requirements might be mandated - minimum browser versions, > minimum pdf versions, what? > > > ((More widely, xml is anyhow an in(s)ane way of structuring the core data for > lfs &c.)) No, it's not. You are not aware of the other uses of the xml source that we use every day to keep all aspects of the project up to date from a common source. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-dev] Update to docbook stylesheets
Matt Burgess wrote: > On Wed, 2013-10-09 at 00:08 -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> Matt Burgess wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I've just committed r10355 which updates the stylesheets used to >>> generate the LFS book to docbook-xsl-1.78.1. The commit is likely far >>> too big to hit lfs-book; the changes to our customisation layers were >>> minimal, the majority of the commit is adding the upstream stylesheets >>> and deleting the previous snapshot. >> >> I'm sorry, but what was the advantage to do that? > > It will help with #3035 (creating an ePub version of the book) as well > as generally in-keeping with the spirit of LFS by using the latest > available version of upstream projects. > >>> I've generated PDF, HTML chunked and HTML none-chunked output. The >>> output looks decent to me, except for the HTML index (longindex.html in >>> the chunked output), which is pretty screwy. Help in fixing that up >>> would be appreciated, as my xsl-fu is pretty poor. I'll take a look >>> this evening, but can't promise a fix in a reasonable time. >> >> Yes, it's terrible. I think we should have discussed this before the >> commit. The commit, BTW was over 12M. That will be deleted from mailman. > > Fair enough; I can revert it if you want. No, it's the development version and we have until March to get it fixed. I took a look last night and I think the file that needs to be fixed is stylesheets/lfs-xsl/xhtml/lfs-index.xsl, It will take some research to get it fixed though. My xsl is pretty shaky too. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-dev] Update to docbook stylesheets
> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 11:17:11 -0500 > From: Bruce Dubbs > To: LFS Developers Mailinglist > Subject: Re: [lfs-dev] Update to docbook stylesheets > . . > > ((More widely, xml is anyhow an in(s)ane way of structuring the core data > > for > > lfs &c.)) > > No, it's not. You are not aware of the other uses of the xml source Wrong. You seem to have a tendency to make such confidently incorrect assertions, and when you don't really have a _genuine_ way of knowing ... . > that we use every day to keep all aspects of the project up to date from > a common source. > akh -- -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-dev] Update to docbook stylesheets
Bruce Dubbs wrote: > akhiezer wrote: >>> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 11:17:11 -0500 >>> From: Bruce Dubbs >>> To: LFS Developers Mailinglist >>> Subject: Re: [lfs-dev] Update to docbook stylesheets >>> >> . >> . ((More widely, xml is anyhow an in(s)ane way of structuring the core data for lfs &c.)) >>> >>> No, it's not. You are not aware of the other uses of the xml source >> >> >> Wrong. You seem to have a tendency to make such confidently incorrect >> assertions, >> and when you don't really have a _genuine_ way of knowing ... . > > Perhaps not. However, can you enumerate all the the ways the xml is > being used in the LFS/BLFS project? And better yet, provide alternatives. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-dev] Update to docbook stylesheets
akhiezer wrote: >> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 11:17:11 -0500 >> From: Bruce Dubbs >> To: LFS Developers Mailinglist >> Subject: Re: [lfs-dev] Update to docbook stylesheets >> > . > . >>> ((More widely, xml is anyhow an in(s)ane way of structuring the core data >>> for >>> lfs &c.)) >> >> No, it's not. You are not aware of the other uses of the xml source > > > Wrong. You seem to have a tendency to make such confidently incorrect > assertions, > and when you don't really have a _genuine_ way of knowing ... . Perhaps not. However, can you enumerate all the the ways the xml is being used in the LFS/BLFS project? -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-dev] Update to docbook stylesheets
> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 11:53:07 -0500 > From: Bruce Dubbs > To: LFS Developers Mailinglist > Subject: Re: [lfs-dev] Update to docbook stylesheets > > akhiezer wrote: > >> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 11:17:11 -0500 > >> From: Bruce Dubbs > >> To: LFS Developers Mailinglist > >> Subject: Re: [lfs-dev] Update to docbook stylesheets > >> > > . > > . > >>> ((More widely, xml is anyhow an in(s)ane way of structuring the core data > >>> for > >>> lfs &c.)) > >> > >> No, it's not. You are not aware of the other uses of the xml source > > > > > > Wrong. You seem to have a tendency to make such confidently incorrect > > assertions, > > and when you don't really have a _genuine_ way of knowing ... . > > Perhaps not. However, can you enumerate all the the ways the xml is > being used in the LFS/BLFS project? > Probably yes. However, shall I expend the time doing so at your behest; probably not. ;] rgds, akh -- -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-dev] Update to docbook stylesheets
> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 11:53:36 -0500
> From: Bruce Dubbs
> To: LFS Developers Mailinglist
> Subject: Re: [lfs-dev] Update to docbook stylesheets
>
> >> .
> >> .
> ((More widely, xml is anyhow an in(s)ane way of structuring the core
> data for
> lfs &c.))
> >>>
> >>> No, it's not. You are not aware of the other uses of the xml source
> >>
> >>
> >> Wrong. You seem to have a tendency to make such confidently incorrect
> >> assertions,
> >> and when you don't really have a _genuine_ way of knowing ... .
> >
> > Perhaps not. However, can you enumerate all the the ways the xml is
> > being used in the LFS/BLFS project?
>
> And better yet, provide alternatives.
>
Probably yes; and some early versions used here. However, shall I expend the
time trying to persuade you to adopt it within the current or similar
structures: probably not ('wr'/'wadr') - 'discretion ...' etc; and instead
better to just use and develop it as a self-standing piece of work.
rgds,
akh
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[lfs-dev] LFS book typo
Hi, In the "About SBUs" section, one URL is mentioned but doesn't work. It seems http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~sbu/ is now: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~bdubbs/about.html If it's true, I suggest you to fix in the book. Regards, -- Jean-Philippe MENGUAL Coadministrateur du projet absolinux Président de l'association traduc.org Coordinateur du projet Linux From Scratch Coordinateur au sein du projet Trad GNU de l'April Animateur suppléant du groupe de travail Accessibilité de l'April Administrateur d'accelibreinfo -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-dev] LFS book typo
MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: > Hi, > > In the "About SBUs" section, one URL is mentioned but doesn't work. It > seems http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~sbu/ is now: > http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~bdubbs/about.html > > If it's true, I suggest you to fix in the book. I've disabled the sbu page because it hasn't been updated in several years and is out of date with respect to the book. The page in my home directory dates back to 2005 and is also quite out of date. I suppose we ought to remove the sentence that refers to the sbu page. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-dev] Update to docbook stylesheets
On Wed, 2013-10-09 at 11:25 -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Matt Burgess wrote: > > On Wed, 2013-10-09 at 00:08 -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >> Matt Burgess wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> I've just committed r10355 which updates the stylesheets used to > >>> generate the LFS book to docbook-xsl-1.78.1. The commit is likely far > >>> too big to hit lfs-book; the changes to our customisation layers were > >>> minimal, the majority of the commit is adding the upstream stylesheets > >>> and deleting the previous snapshot. > >> > >> I'm sorry, but what was the advantage to do that? > > > > It will help with #3035 (creating an ePub version of the book) as well > > as generally in-keeping with the spirit of LFS by using the latest > > available version of upstream projects. > > > >>> I've generated PDF, HTML chunked and HTML none-chunked output. The > >>> output looks decent to me, except for the HTML index (longindex.html in > >>> the chunked output), which is pretty screwy. Help in fixing that up > >>> would be appreciated, as my xsl-fu is pretty poor. I'll take a look > >>> this evening, but can't promise a fix in a reasonable time. > >> > >> Yes, it's terrible. I think we should have discussed this before the > >> commit. The commit, BTW was over 12M. That will be deleted from mailman. > > > > Fair enough; I can revert it if you want. > > No, it's the development version and we have until March to get it > fixed. That was my feeling as well. > I took a look last night and I think the file that needs to be > fixed is stylesheets/lfs-xsl/xhtml/lfs-index.xsl, Indeed. > It will take some > research to get it fixed though. My xsl is pretty shaky too. Well, I've made some progress already, just by copying and pasting the original xsl:template from the upstream autoidx.xsl file. I'm now working on adjusting it to match the current formatting. Hopefully I'll have something ready in no more than a couple of evenings. Regards, Matt Burgess -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-dev] LFS book typo
> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 13:33:38 -0500 > From: Bruce Dubbs > To: LFS Developers Mailinglist > Subject: Re: [lfs-dev] LFS book typo > > MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: > > Hi, > > > > In the "About SBUs" section, one URL is mentioned but doesn't work. It > > seems http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~sbu/ is now: > > http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~bdubbs/about.html > > > > If it's true, I suggest you to fix in the book. > > I've disabled the sbu page because it hasn't been updated in several > years and is out of date with respect to the book. The page in my home > directory dates back to 2005 and is also quite out of date. > > I suppose we ought to remove the sentence that refers to the sbu page. > - the section 'How to measure SBUs' on the page 'http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~bdubbs/about.html', gives a reasonably good example of how to get the nesting of brackets and pipes right, and that might be of use to folks new to lfs: might it be a good idea to merge some of that (& perhaps other) info over, from the 'soon-to-be-old' SBUs area, to the lfs-book page '4.5. About SBUs' ( 'http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/chapter04/aboutsbus.html') ? rgds, akh -- -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-dev] Returning to LFS--Mail Archives
> Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2013 12:47:48 -0500 > From: Bruce Dubbs > To: LFS Developers Mailinglist > Subject: Re: [lfs-dev] Returning to LFS--Mail Archives > . . > > I want to build along side Windows 8 and am interested in grub and > > UEFI. I wanted to search the mail archives before I asked anything on > > the lists, but the link from the Mail List pages tells me that there was > > an error and to contact the web master. Using the search button gives > > me results in Distrowatch and Wikipedia. > > > > I've seen some changes in navigating around. How do I get to the mail > > archives for the various lists. > > I just made a change. See > > http://linuxfromscratch.org/pipermail/lfs-dev/ > > which is actually the new 404 error page. > - would it be useful to, if not already, approach the likes of osuosl.org and see if they'd do some mirroring that would include at least the monthly zips of the mailing-list archives (make them avail from lfs to osuosl via rsync, but not avail from lfs to public via http, e.g.) ? And/or, does the mailing-list software have any facilities whereby only registered list-users - and perhaps meeting some further criteria - can have such zip-archives auto-emailed to them (via e.g. mailing-list commands); and perhaps with some quota restrictions on usage of the facility? rgds, akh -- -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-dev] Returning to LFS--Mail Archives
> Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2013 12:47:48 -0500 > From: Bruce Dubbs > To: LFS Developers Mailinglist > Subject: Re: [lfs-dev] Returning to LFS--Mail Archives > . . > > I just made a change. See > > http://linuxfromscratch.org/pipermail/lfs-dev/ > > which is actually the new 404 error page. > - typo 'archves' @ http://linuxfromscratch.org/pipermail/lfs-dev/ akh -- -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-dev] Update to docbook stylesheets
On Wed, 2013-10-09 at 19:54 +0100, Matt Burgess wrote: > Well, I've made some progress already, just by copying and pasting the > original xsl:template from the upstream autoidx.xsl file. I'm now > working on adjusting it to match the current formatting. Hopefully I'll > have something ready in no more than a couple of evenings. Should be fixed in r10357. If anyone feels that the XSL can be tidied up any more, please feel free. I got this working pretty much by copy and pasting bits and pieces from the upstream stylesheets and Manuel's original, so there may be 'oddities' in there visible to anyone with an inkling of XSLT knowledge! Regards, Matt. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-dev] Update to docbook stylesheets
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:49:54AM +0100, Matt Burgess wrote: > On Wed, 2013-10-09 at 19:54 +0100, Matt Burgess wrote: > > > Well, I've made some progress already, just by copying and pasting the > > original xsl:template from the upstream autoidx.xsl file. I'm now > > working on adjusting it to match the current formatting. Hopefully I'll > > have something ready in no more than a couple of evenings. > > Should be fixed in r10357. If anyone feels that the XSL can be tidied > up any more, please feel free. I got this working pretty much by copy > and pasting bits and pieces from the upstream stylesheets and Manuel's > original, so there may be 'oddities' in there visible to anyone with an > inkling of XSLT knowledge! > > Regards, > > Matt. > Looks good (spoken as a very, very occasional user of LFS's longindex). [ rude words : someone didn't log 3.11.4 in the Changelog - I'm building with 3.11.1 headers, but I doubt that will make any real difference to anything ] ĸen -- das eine Mal als Tragödie, dieses Mal als Farce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-dev] [lfs-book] r10357 - in trunk/BOOK: . stylesheets/lfs-xsl/xhtml
matt...@higgs.linuxfromscratch.org wrote: > Author: matthew > Date: Wed Oct 9 16:46:50 2013 > New Revision: 10357 > > Log: > Fix the formatting of the index in HTML output. > > Modified: > trunk/BOOK/stylesheets/lfs-xsl/xhtml/lfs-index.xsl Good job Matt. The xsl-fu came back. I took a look at the change and deleted all the comments and the number of lines changed didn't seem great, but I'd have to study it for some time to actually understand the changes. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-dev] Update to docbook stylesheets
Ken Moffat wrote: > [ rude words : someone didn't log 3.11.4 in the Changelog - I'm > building with 3.11.1 headers, but I doubt that will make any real > difference to anything ] It looks like it's in the change log dated 2013-10-06. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
