Re: [issues] Why women should have equality/equivilency
srl wrote: > > On Tue, 9 Nov 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Yes. I recall something curious said on another thread where 'in competition, > > someone *wins*'. > > > > MY problem with that is that I prefer cooperation - where EVERYONE wins. > > Can we be more precise here? I don't think that cooperation is more of a > "female trait" and that competition is more of a "male trait". The ONLY way that my comment in any way implies 'male trait' and 'female trait' is that Curious appears to be male and I am female. I did not, in ANY way, generalise - I was very specific. I implied that Curious had appeared to state a preference for competition, and stated that I prefer cooperation. > Why do the > two have to be mutually exclusive, or why are we talking about them like > they are? I find it difficult to cooperate with someone who believes themselves to be in competition with me, especially if they make use of my cooperative practices to gather information to use to my detriment and their gain (competitively). I suppose they need not be mutually exclusive, but try playing 'monopoly' cooperatively with someone playing it competitively and see how far you get. > I realize this is mostly a discussion about corporate practices, but that > doesn't mean we have to resort to generalizations about "what men do" and > "what women do". I didn't. I was very, VERY specific - two individuals. Curious and myself. Jenn V. -- "We're repairing the coolant loop of a nuclear fusion reactor. This is women's work!" Helix, Freefall. http://www.purrsia.com/freefall/ Jenn Vesperman[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.simegen.com/~jenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [issues] this message seems to have failed on last send...
> Why shouln't you send unsolicited emails or ads on this list? > > because we don't like it or want it.. > as a side note: there are several people on this list who are sysadmins... > who will likely track you down.. add any open relay that you might be > using to the blackhole list (thus preventing YOU and anyone who might be > legitimatly using that relay from sending mail to a large chunck of > people)... and if they manage to track you down (which is more likely then > not).. you may find yourself with a rather perminant Blue Screen of > DEATH!... :) I would like to point out that while these comments were meant in jest, it is a very bad idea to threaten such things. Cracking people's machines is a crime. - deb -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [issues] PC Manufacturers
I was wondering if anyone out there has any experience with or opinions on alternative PC shops which focus on selling Linux systems. I've heard of Penguin Computing but I have no idea how reliable they are or who their competitors are. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [issues] MS vs DOJ, etc
Hi, Vinnie, > Do you think they would want > drugs that could cause permanant neurological damage given to their > children by their doctors? ...or causes birth defects, something I know about first-hand. We *need* the government to have laws and rules that protect the people. Curious is arguing that the government has too many already and that government intervention is bad by definition. I agree with your long laundry list of where the government does not do enough and is coopted by corporations. I laud them for standing up to Microsoft, but it is not enough. Don't even get me started on the health care industry. Regards, Caity (formerly conservative, now definitely socialist) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [issues] MS vs DOJ, etc
I have to ask...what would youy say about the healthcare industry? The increased costs in the United States for healthcare are becuase of the insanely high cost of malpractice insurance, which has been driven there by moneyt hungry lawyers. For example...my mother is an advanced practice nurse...she is a CRNA (Nurse Anesthetist). Her insurance...malpractice only, costs almost $75K per year. She has been in practice for over ten years, and has never had a fatality or malpractice suit. Where is the justice in that? Don't even get me started on the health care industry. Regards, Caity (formerly conservative, now definitely socialist) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
[issues] (Off topic) Response to healthcare question.
Hi, JB, > I have to ask...what would youy say about the healthcare industry? IMHO, health care should be nationalized, as was done in Canada, and as is the case in most European and other developed countries. My complaint is with the insurance companies more than the actual health care providers. I really do not want to go into my dealings with an HMO on this list. As far as malpractice is concerned, that cuts both ways. If a doctor really does commit malpractice and someone dies or is severely disabled, shouldn't there be recoure? I think there should be. Remember, I said I have a birth defect. We *know* what caused it in all liklihood. Try and go get compensation? Hmmm... not possible. Don't make me go into that one either, at least not on this list. IMHO, decent healthcare should be a right, provided by the government, and paid for through taxes. We are the only Western country that doesn't do this. Further discussion can continue, but I think it should either be private or moved to grrltalk. This is way off being a Linux topic now. Regards, Caity [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [issues] MS vs DOJ, etc
it's only partly because of the cost (btw, this is getting really off topic, perhaps it should migrate to grrltalk?) -- in my experience, doctors don't help or make things worse about as often as they make things better. This might not be true for *really* serious diseases (but then again, it might...I watched a doctor refuse to see a friend of mine who is a transplant recipient for increasingly serious 'flu like symptoms', right up until she ended up in the emergency room and nearly died [no exageration] of pneumonia), but in my (relatively normal) life, tha'ts been the experience... I dunno..I understand what you mean about malpractice suits -- my mom is a nurse, it does suck that malpractice costs are what they are. The difficulty is finding the balance between holding medical professionals responsible and not bankrupting the good ones... Vinnie On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, J B wrote: > I have to ask...what would youy say about the healthcare industry? > The increased costs in the United States for healthcare are becuase of the > insanely high cost of malpractice insurance, which has been driven there by > moneyt hungry lawyers. For example...my mother is an advanced practice > nurse...she is a CRNA (Nurse Anesthetist). Her insurance...malpractice > only, costs almost $75K per year. She has been in practice for over ten > years, and has never had a fatality or malpractice suit. Where is the > justice in that? > > > Don't even get me started on the health care industry. > > Regards, > Caity > (formerly conservative, now definitely socialist) > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org > > > __ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org > -- Reality is a formality, an agreed upon set of lies -- J.D. Catron Obligatory pathetic website at http://george.he.net/~drachen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
[issues] Re: (null)
On Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:01:43 -0800 (PST), curious wrote: >just a note.. bill gates is on 60minII tonight Betcha he toes and hypes the company line "We just want to innovate" :) Out of curiosity, has MS ever actually come up with *ANYTHING* on their own? Even their first product was simply a port of BASIC... -Ian -- wow, this is kinda nifty. the Win98 protocol stack is like a chinese puzzle, twist and turn in the right places, and it pops right off. -Seen on EFNet IRC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [issues] Re: (null)
Sure they have.. look at MS-BOB and The little paperclip guy in word :) /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail http://www.curious.org/ / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail"This quote is false." -anon On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Ian Hall-Beyer wrote: > On Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:01:43 -0800 (PST), curious wrote: > > >just a note.. bill gates is on 60minII tonight > > Betcha he toes and hypes the company line "We just want to innovate" :) > > Out of curiosity, has MS ever actually come up with *ANYTHING* on their > own? Even their first product was simply a port of BASIC... > > -Ian > -- > wow, this is kinda nifty. the Win98 protocol stack is like a chinese puzzle, >twist and turn in the right places, and it pops right off. >-Seen on EFNet IRC > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [issues] Re: (null)
On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:01:51 -0800 (PST), curious wrote: >Sure they have.. look at MS-BOB and The little paperclip guy in word :) Hmm. good point. And both of those are things that everyone wants to brutally bludgeon to death with a very blunt instrument. -Ian (could actually tolerate an Office "assistant" if it was Cartman) -- wow, this is kinda nifty. the Win98 protocol stack is like a chinese puzzle, twist and turn in the right places, and it pops right off. -Seen on EFNet IRC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [issues] Re: (null)
> Hmm. good point. And both of those are things that everyone wants to > brutally bludgeon to death with a very blunt instrument. > > -Ian (could actually tolerate an Office "assistant" if it was Cartman) Bob had a cute logo (I still have a microsoft bob hat somewhere around here) but that was about it... oversimplified things and got in the way, especially for users who want to do things themselves (e.g. me). The office assistant would be much cooler if you could write and import your own little caricatures. Cartman would kick ass. Of course then the GUI would be customizable, and we can't have users customizing anything but fonts and backgrounds. -nicole [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [issues] Re: (null)
Hated inovation.. but inovation none the less :) /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail http://www.curious.org/ / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail"This quote is false." -anon On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Ian Hall-Beyer wrote: > On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:01:51 -0800 (PST), curious wrote: > > >Sure they have.. look at MS-BOB and The little paperclip guy in word :) > > Hmm. good point. And both of those are things that everyone wants to > brutally bludgeon to death with a very blunt instrument. > > -Ian (could actually tolerate an Office "assistant" if it was Cartman) > -- > wow, this is kinda nifty. the Win98 protocol stack is like a chinese puzzle, >twist and turn in the right places, and it pops right off. >-Seen on EFNet IRC > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [issues] PC Manufacturers
On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Jon Keck wrote: > I was wondering if anyone out there has any experience with or opinions on > alternative PC shops which focus on selling Linux systems. I've heard > of Penguin Computing but I have no idea how reliable they are or who > their competitors are. I will say that VA has, in my experience, the best of the systems (www.valinux.com). We also have Penguin machines and Dells and other stuff at the office. As a datapoint, we recently got eight Penguin 1U rack mounts and at least one arrived DOA. You might think it was jostled in shipping, but they weren't shipped Cobalt has primarily been known for its MIPS machines (the Qube and the Raq) and has the best-looking hardware. Look carefully at the specs (particularly for CPU) on their new releases. www.cobaltmicro.com (I want a Qube!) -- _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.net * http://www.deirdre.net "Mars has been a tough target" -- Peter G. Neumann, Risks Digest Moderator "That's because the Martians keep shooting things down." -- Harlan Rosenthal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, retorting in Risks Digest 20.60 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [issues] PC Manufacturers
microway (www.microway.com) has good prices, good hardware.. though they focus mostly on alpha based systems /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail http://www.curious.org/ / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail"This quote is false." -anon On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Jon Keck wrote: > > > I was wondering if anyone out there has any experience with or opinions on > > alternative PC shops which focus on selling Linux systems. I've heard > > of Penguin Computing but I have no idea how reliable they are or who > > their competitors are. > > I will say that VA has, in my experience, the best of the systems > (www.valinux.com). We also have Penguin machines and Dells and other stuff > at the office. As a datapoint, we recently got eight Penguin 1U rack > mounts and at least one arrived DOA. You might think it was jostled in > shipping, but they weren't shipped > > Cobalt has primarily been known for its MIPS machines (the Qube and the > Raq) and has the best-looking hardware. Look carefully at the specs > (particularly for CPU) on their new releases. www.cobaltmicro.com > > (I want a Qube!) > > -- > _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.net * http://www.deirdre.net > "Mars has been a tough target" -- Peter G. Neumann, Risks Digest Moderator > "That's because the Martians keep shooting things down." -- Harlan Rosenthal > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, retorting in Risks Digest 20.60 > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [issues] PC Manufacturers
oops, I should probably check threads next time :P (still, the point stands, since you *were* using microway as an example, earlier. but I think I'll shut up now, since I really am sick of trying to explain this) Vinnie [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [issues] PC Manufacturers
On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, curious wrote: > microway (www.microway.com) has good prices, good hardware.. though they > focus mostly on alpha based systems out of curiousity, which part of intel compatible don't you understand? Vinnie [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [issues] PC Manufacturers
a>the person was looking for linux based systems (not nessarly a platform) b>microway in my experince has good hardware (robust was antother thing the person was looking for) c>microway does offer intel based systems... though their focus is on alpha What confuses me about this response is the prior persons reponse indicated systems based on MIPS.. and wasn't flamed... secondly could you PLEASE point out where he/she specified INTEL? sigh, Chris /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail http://www.curious.org/ / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail"This quote is false." -anon On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Vinnie Surmonde wrote: > On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, curious wrote: > > > microway (www.microway.com) has good prices, good hardware.. though they > > focus mostly on alpha based systems > > > out of curiousity, which part of intel compatible don't you understand? > > Vinnie > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [issues] PC Manufacturers
Jon Keck wrote: > I was wondering if anyone out there has any experience with or opinions on > alternative PC shops which focus on selling Linux systems. I've heard > of Penguin Computing but I have no idea how reliable they are or who > their competitors are. We use Dell Poweredge 2300 servers at work and we love 'em. We've had 5 of them an average of about a year and there has not been a single fault at all with any of them, Linux and Novell both work great on them. Only problem is Dell supplied us with a 3Com Vortex/boomerang card by default in one of them which the Linux drivers didn't like very much. Replaced it with an Intel Etherexpress like the others have and no problem. -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +64-21-870-425 ICQ: 5632563 or shout loudly [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
