Download zowe

[ITschak Mugzach]

I am trying to download Zowe from Zowe.org and get an error on jfrog.IO.
When trying shopz, the login page is in error.

Tried that from several computers. Any idea how to successfully download
zowe?

ITschak Mugzach
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Re: Virtual tape usage

[Joe Monk]

https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.1.0?topic=dfsms-zos-dfsmsrmm-reporting

https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.1.0?topic=generator-sample-report-definitions

Joe

On Sun, Feb 5, 2023 at 10:15 PM Jake Anderson 
wrote:

> We use DFRMM. Is there any specific reporting batch that I can rely on ?
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2023, 7:49 AM Gibney, Dave <
> 03b5261cfd78-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
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> > Tape management system?
> >
> > > -Original Message-
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> > >
> > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL]
> > >
> > > Hello
> > >
> > > We are using DELL DLM8500. Is it possible to know from the z/OS
> > perspective
> > > on how many tapes being consumed on a monthly basis ? Is there any
> report
> > > within SMF or any facility within DLM can help me to know usage of
> > virtual
> > > tapes ?
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Jake
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Re: I want to cry

[Allan Staller]

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Social democratic countries have *MUCH* higher tax rates. Somebody has to pay 
for all of those services.
Social democratic countries have generally poorer medical care

Everything has its pros and cons. You pays your money and takes your choice.

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Social democratic countries have much better quality of lives than America. 
Very few would like pure capitalism. No social security, medicare, military, 
police/fire, public schools, etc. Most people would be making very little to 
benefit the wealthy. Unions fought for the benefits we all now take for granted.


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On Friday, February 3, 2023, 11:21 PM, Charles Mills  wrote:

> The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings.  The 
> inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. Under capitalism 
> man exploits his fellow man. Under socialism it's the other way around. 
> CharlesSent from a mobile; please excuse the brevity.
 Original message From: Bob Bridges  
Date: 2/3/23  5:10 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: I 
want to cry I don't run in those circles enough.  I write in VBA and VBS a lot, 
but I don't work in a shop where it's common.  But I was a COBOL developer for 
15 years and I knew coworkers who know COBOL and nothing else.---Bob Bridges, 
robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313/* The inherent vice of capitalism is 
the unequal sharing of blessings.  The inherent virtue of socialism is the 
equal sharing of misery.  -Churchill */-Original Message-From: IBM 
Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of John 
McKownSent: Friday, February 3, 2023 17:13Or Visual Basic.--- On Fri, Feb 3, 
2023, 12:10 Bob Bridges  wrote:> It is a little 
distressing, though (at least to me), to observe how > many "programmers" never 
~have~ seen anything but COBOL.>> -Original Message-> From: zMan> Sent: 
Friday, February 3, 2023 10:50>> And unless COBOL is the only programming 
language you've ever seen, it > seems unlikely that you wouldn't know what a 
variable 
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Re: I want to cry

[Bill Johnson]

The World Health Organization rates the US health care system 37th in the 
world. France is rated number 1. The US health care system isn’t even close to 
being better than most. And those social democratic countries get better health 
care for half the costs. I’m also all for higher taxes on corporations that 
currently pay no taxes yet make billions. Even Warren Buffett says taxes on the 
wealthy should be higher.


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On Monday, February 6, 2023, 7:45 AM, Allan Staller 
<0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

Classification: Confidential

Social democratic countries have *MUCH* higher tax rates. Somebody has to pay 
for all of those services.
Social democratic countries have generally poorer medical care

Everything has its pros and cons. You pays your money and takes your choice.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Bill Johnson
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2023 10:28 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
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Social democratic countries have much better quality of lives than America. 
Very few would like pure capitalism. No social security, medicare, military, 
police/fire, public schools, etc. Most people would be making very little to 
benefit the wealthy. Unions fought for the benefits we all now take for granted.


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On Friday, February 3, 2023, 11:21 PM, Charles Mills  wrote:

> The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings.  The 
> inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. Under capitalism 
> man exploits his fellow man. Under socialism it's the other way around. 
> CharlesSent from a mobile; please excuse the brevity.
 Original message From: Bob Bridges  
Date: 2/3/23  5:10 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: I 
want to cry I don't run in those circles enough.  I write in VBA and VBS a lot, 
but I don't work in a shop where it's common.  But I was a COBOL developer for 
15 years and I knew coworkers who know COBOL and nothing else.---Bob Bridges, 
robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313/* The inherent vice of capitalism is 
the unequal sharing of blessings.  The inherent virtue of socialism is the 
equal sharing of misery.  -Churchill */-Original Message-From: IBM 
Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of John 
McKownSent: Friday, February 3, 2023 17:13Or Visual Basic.--- On Fri, Feb 3, 
2023, 12:10 Bob Bridges  wrote:> It is a little 
distressing, though (at least to me), to observe how > many "programmers" never 
~have~ seen anything but COBOL.>> -Original Message-> From: zMan> Sent: 
Friday, February 3, 2023 10:50>> And unless COBOL is the only programming 
language you've ever seen, it > seems unlikely that you wouldn't know what a 
variable 
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Re: I want to cry

[Lionel B. Dyck]

It is time to remember that this is a technical forum.


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Sent: Monday, February 6, 2023 8:30 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: I want to cry

The World Health Organization rates the US health care system 37th in the 
world. France is rated number 1. The US health care system isn’t even close to 
being better than most. And those social democratic countries get better health 
care for half the costs. I’m also all for higher taxes on corporations that 
currently pay no taxes yet make billions. Even Warren Buffett says taxes on the 
wealthy should be higher.


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On Monday, February 6, 2023, 7:45 AM, Allan Staller 
<0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

Classification: Confidential

Social democratic countries have *MUCH* higher tax rates. Somebody has to pay 
for all of those services.
Social democratic countries have generally poorer medical care

Everything has its pros and cons. You pays your money and takes your choice.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Bill Johnson
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2023 10:28 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: I want to cry

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Social democratic countries have much better quality of lives than America. 
Very few would like pure capitalism. No social security, medicare, military, 
police/fire, public schools, etc. Most people would be making very little to 
benefit the wealthy. Unions fought for the benefits we all now take for granted.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Friday, February 3, 2023, 11:21 PM, Charles Mills  wrote:

> The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings.  The 
> inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. Under capitalism 
> man exploits his fellow man. Under socialism it's the other way around. 
> CharlesSent from a mobile; please excuse the brevity.
 Original message From: Bob Bridges  
Date: 2/3/23  5:10 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: I 
want to cry I don't run in those circles enough.  I write in VBA and VBS a lot, 
but I don't work in a shop where it's common.  But I was a COBOL developer for 
15 years and I knew coworkers who know COBOL and nothing else.---Bob Bridges, 
robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313/* The inherent vice of capitalism is 
the unequal sharing of blessings.  The inherent virtue of socialism is the 
equal sharing of misery.  -Churchill */-Original Message-From: IBM 
Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of John 
McKownSent: Friday, February 3, 2023 17:13Or Visual Basic.--- On Fri, Feb 3, 
2023, 12:10 Bob Bridges  wrote:> It is a little 
distressing, though (at least to me), to observe how > many "programmers" never 
~have~ seen anything but COBOL.>> -Original Message-> From: zMan> Sent: 
Friday, February 3, 2023 10:50>> And unless COBOL is the only programming 
language you've ever seen, it > seems unlikely that you wouldn't know what a 
variable 
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Re: I want to cry

[Bill Johnson]

The US is 50th in infant mortality. Hardly great health care. 

The mortality rate in the United States was 5.44 in 2020. This rate was 50th 
among the 195 countries and territories measured, and significantly higher than 
in dozens of other developed countries such as Sweden (2.15), Japan (1.82), and 
Australia(3.14).


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On Monday, February 6, 2023, 7:45 AM, Allan Staller 
<0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

Classification: Confidential

Social democratic countries have *MUCH* higher tax rates. Somebody has to pay 
for all of those services.
Social democratic countries have generally poorer medical care

Everything has its pros and cons. You pays your money and takes your choice.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Bill Johnson
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2023 10:28 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: I want to cry

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sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, 
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Social democratic countries have much better quality of lives than America. 
Very few would like pure capitalism. No social security, medicare, military, 
police/fire, public schools, etc. Most people would be making very little to 
benefit the wealthy. Unions fought for the benefits we all now take for granted.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Friday, February 3, 2023, 11:21 PM, Charles Mills  wrote:

> The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings.  The 
> inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. Under capitalism 
> man exploits his fellow man. Under socialism it's the other way around. 
> CharlesSent from a mobile; please excuse the brevity.
 Original message From: Bob Bridges  
Date: 2/3/23  5:10 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: I 
want to cry I don't run in those circles enough.  I write in VBA and VBS a lot, 
but I don't work in a shop where it's common.  But I was a COBOL developer for 
15 years and I knew coworkers who know COBOL and nothing else.---Bob Bridges, 
robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313/* The inherent vice of capitalism is 
the unequal sharing of blessings.  The inherent virtue of socialism is the 
equal sharing of misery.  -Churchill */-Original Message-From: IBM 
Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of John 
McKownSent: Friday, February 3, 2023 17:13Or Visual Basic.--- On Fri, Feb 3, 
2023, 12:10 Bob Bridges  wrote:> It is a little 
distressing, though (at least to me), to observe how > many "programmers" never 
~have~ seen anything but COBOL.>> -Original Message-> From: zMan> Sent: 
Friday, February 3, 2023 10:50>> And unless COBOL is the only programming 
language you've ever seen, it > seems unlikely that you wouldn't know what a 
variable 
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Re: I want to cry

[Bill Johnson]

I didn’t start the off topic discussion but I’m not going to let bullsh*t go 
unchallenged.


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On Monday, February 6, 2023, 9:35 AM, Lionel B. Dyck  wrote:

It is time to remember that this is a technical forum.


Lionel B. Dyck <><
Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com
Github: https://github.com/lbdyck

“Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you 
are, reputation merely what others think you are.”  - - - John Wooden

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Bill Johnson
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2023 8:30 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: I want to cry

The World Health Organization rates the US health care system 37th in the 
world. France is rated number 1. The US health care system isn’t even close to 
being better than most. And those social democratic countries get better health 
care for half the costs. I’m also all for higher taxes on corporations that 
currently pay no taxes yet make billions. Even Warren Buffett says taxes on the 
wealthy should be higher.


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On Monday, February 6, 2023, 7:45 AM, Allan Staller 
<0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

Classification: Confidential

Social democratic countries have *MUCH* higher tax rates. Somebody has to pay 
for all of those services.
Social democratic countries have generally poorer medical care

Everything has its pros and cons. You pays your money and takes your choice.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Bill Johnson
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2023 10:28 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: I want to cry

[CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the 
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Social democratic countries have much better quality of lives than America. 
Very few would like pure capitalism. No social security, medicare, military, 
police/fire, public schools, etc. Most people would be making very little to 
benefit the wealthy. Unions fought for the benefits we all now take for granted.


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On Friday, February 3, 2023, 11:21 PM, Charles Mills  wrote:

> The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings.  The 
> inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. Under capitalism 
> man exploits his fellow man. Under socialism it's the other way around. 
> CharlesSent from a mobile; please excuse the brevity.
 Original message From: Bob Bridges  
Date: 2/3/23  5:10 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: I 
want to cry I don't run in those circles enough.  I write in VBA and VBS a lot, 
but I don't work in a shop where it's common.  But I was a COBOL developer for 
15 years and I knew coworkers who know COBOL and nothing else.---Bob Bridges, 
robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313/* The inherent vice of capitalism is 
the unequal sharing of blessings.  The inherent virtue of socialism is the 
equal sharing of misery.  -Churchill */-Original Message-From: IBM 
Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of John 
McKownSent: Friday, February 3, 2023 17:13Or Visual Basic.--- On Fri, Feb 3, 
2023, 12:10 Bob Bridges  wrote:> It is a little 
distressing, though (at least to me), to observe how > many "programmers" never 
~have~ seen anything but COBOL.>> -Original Message-> From: zMan> Sent: 
Friday, February 3, 2023 10:50>> And unless COBOL is the only programming 
language you've ever seen, it > seems unlikely that you wouldn't know what a 
variable 
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Re: I want to cry

[Carmen Vitullo]

checking my trash folder, the best place to find your responses, my 
question to "


I didn’t start the off topic discussion but I’m not going to let bullsh*t go 
unchallenged."
*is WHY? *
why do you feel you HAVE TO?
bully?
who cares
go back to your political forum where you can bully people there
- don't bother responding, I will not spend the time sorting thru my trash for 
any response
Carmen

On 2/6/2023 8:47 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:

I didn’t start the off topic discussion but I’m not going to let bullsh*t go 
unchallenged.


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On Monday, February 6, 2023, 9:35 AM, Lionel B. Dyck  wrote:

It is time to remember that this is a technical forum.


Lionel B. Dyck <><
Website:https://www.lbdsoftware.com
Github:https://github.com/lbdyck

“Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you 
are, reputation merely what others think you are.”  - - - John Wooden

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Bill Johnson
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2023 8:30 AM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: I want to cry

The World Health Organization rates the US health care system 37th in the 
world. France is rated number 1. The US health care system isn’t even close to 
being better than most. And those social democratic countries get better health 
care for half the costs. I’m also all for higher taxes on corporations that 
currently pay no taxes yet make billions. Even Warren Buffett says taxes on the 
wealthy should be higher.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Monday, February 6, 2023, 7:45 AM, Allan 
Staller<0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>  wrote:

Classification: Confidential

Social democratic countries have *MUCH* higher tax rates. Somebody has to pay 
for all of those services.
Social democratic countries have generally poorer medical care

Everything has its pros and cons. You pays your money and takes your choice.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Bill Johnson
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2023 10:28 PM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: I want to cry

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Social democratic countries have much better quality of lives than America. 
Very few would like pure capitalism. No social security, medicare, military, 
police/fire, public schools, etc. Most people would be making very little to 
benefit the wealthy. Unions fought for the benefits we all now take for granted.


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On Friday, February 3, 2023, 11:21 PM, Charles Mills  wrote:


The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings.  The 
inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. Under capitalism 
man exploits his fellow man. Under socialism it's the other way around. 
CharlesSent from a mobile; please excuse the brevity.

 Original message From: Bob Bridges  Date: 2/3/23  5:10 PM  (GMT-08:00) 
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU  Subject: Re: I want to cry I don't run in those circles enough.  I write in VBA and VBS a lot, but I 
don't work in a shop where it's common.  But I was a COBOL developer for 15 years and I knew coworkers who know COBOL and nothing 
else.---Bob Bridges,robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313/* The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings.  
The inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.  -Churchill */-Original Message-From: IBM Mainframe 
Discussion List  On Behalf Of John McKownSent: Friday, February 3, 2023 17:13Or Visual Basic.--- On 
Fri, Feb 3, 2023, 12:10 Bob Bridges  wrote:> It is a little distressing, though (at least to me), to 
observe how > many "programmers" never ~have~ seen anything but COBOL.>> -Original Message-> From: 
zMan> Sent: Friday, February 3, 2023 10:50>> And unless COBOL is the only programming language you've ever seen, it > 
seems unlikely that you wouldn't know what a variable is.--For 
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Re: Having a little difficulty with a REXX command LMOPEN

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 04:48:09 +, Seymour J Metz  wrote:

>I would probably use ISPQRY, but your usage is shorter.
>
But does that require TSO?  I wanted to be TSO-independent:

z/OS 2.5  ISPF Services Guide
IBM   SC19-3626-50

Under TSO/E REXX that uses ADDRESS TSO you can use:
"ISPQRY"

(if it's a TSO command, shouldn't it be documented in the TSO COmmanf Ref.?)


From: Paul Gilmartin 
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 9:02 PM
>...
Thrtr are scripts intended to be bimodal where I have dome:
ADDRESS ISPEXEC DISPLAY 'MSG(ISRZ002)'
IF RC<>0 THEN DO  /* ISPF not active.  */
  say errMsg1
  say errMsg2;  END

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Re: Having a little difficulty with a REXX command LMOPEN

[Lionel B. Dyck]

Or use sysvar('sysispf') - either ACTIVE or NOT ACTIVE.


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Subject: Re: Having a little difficulty with a REXX command LMOPEN

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 04:48:09 +, Seymour J Metz  wrote:

>I would probably use ISPQRY, but your usage is shorter.
>
But does that require TSO?  I wanted to be TSO-independent:

z/OS 2.5  ISPF Services Guide
IBM   SC19-3626-50

Under TSO/E REXX that uses ADDRESS TSO you can use:
"ISPQRY"

(if it's a TSO command, shouldn't it be documented in the TSO COmmanf Ref.?)


From: Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 9:02 PM
>...
Thrtr are scripts intended to be bimodal where I have dome:
ADDRESS ISPEXEC DISPLAY 'MSG(ISRZ002)'
IF RC<>0 THEN DO  /* ISPF not active.  */
  say errMsg1
  say errMsg2;  END

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Re: I want to cry

[Bill Johnson]

lol bully? The opposite. 


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On Monday, February 6, 2023, 9:53 AM, Carmen Vitullo  
wrote:

checking my trash folder, the best place to find your responses, my 
question to "

I didn’t start the off topic discussion but I’m not going to let bullsh*t go 
unchallenged."
*is WHY? *
why do you feel you HAVE TO?
bully?
who cares
go back to your political forum where you can bully people there
- don't bother responding, I will not spend the time sorting thru my trash for 
any response
Carmen

On 2/6/2023 8:47 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:
> I didn’t start the off topic discussion but I’m not going to let bullsh*t go 
> unchallenged.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
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> On Monday, February 6, 2023, 9:35 AM, Lionel B. Dyck  wrote:
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> It is time to remember that this is a technical forum.
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> -Original Message-
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>
> The World Health Organization rates the US health care system 37th in the 
> world. France is rated number 1. The US health care system isn’t even close 
> to being better than most. And those social democratic countries get better 
> health care for half the costs. I’m also all for higher taxes on corporations 
> that currently pay no taxes yet make billions. Even Warren Buffett says taxes 
> on the wealthy should be higher.
>
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> On Monday, February 6, 2023, 7:45 AM, Allan 
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>
> Social democratic countries have *MUCH* higher tax rates. Somebody has to pay 
> for all of those services.
> Social democratic countries have generally poorer medical care
>
> Everything has its pros and cons. You pays your money and takes your choice.
>
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> Social democratic countries have much better quality of lives than America. 
> Very few would like pure capitalism. No social security, medicare, military, 
> police/fire, public schools, etc. Most people would be making very little to 
> benefit the wealthy. Unions fought for the benefits we all now take for 
> granted.
>
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> On Friday, February 3, 2023, 11:21 PM, Charles Mills  wrote:
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>> The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings.  The 
>> inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. Under 
>> capitalism man exploits his fellow man. Under socialism it's the other way 
>> around. CharlesSent from a mobile; please excuse the brevity.
>  Original message From: Bob Bridges  
> Date: 2/3/23  5:10 PM  (GMT-08:00) To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU  Subject: Re: 
> I want to cry I don't run in those circles enough.  I write in VBA and VBS a 
> lot, but I don't work in a shop where it's common.  But I was a COBOL 
> developer for 15 years and I knew coworkers who know COBOL and nothing 
> else.---Bob Bridges,robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313/* The inherent 
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> "programmers" never ~have~ seen anything but COBOL.>> -Original 
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Re: I want to cry

[Mohammad Khan]

At least they listened to the esteemed professor with respect to teaching it 
... and it looks like he didn't say anything about coding in it :)

MKK

On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 19:42:12 -0500, Steve Smith  wrote:

>Well, Dijkstra [in]famously said “The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its
>teaching should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offense.”
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Re: Searching the ASVT

[Peter Relson]

> ASVTENTY is the address of the entry for ASID 0 (which, of course, is never 
> used).

Apologies. That's wrong. ASVTENTY is, as others have posted, the entry for ASID 
1.

ASVTFRST locates an entry that is available for use for a new address space.

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Re: Having a little difficulty with a REXX command LMOPEN

[Seymour J Metz]

It follows TSO command conventions, so in that sense it is a TSO command, but 
it is in an ISPF library.

Did you mean trimodal?


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Subject: Re: Having a little difficulty with a REXX command LMOPEN

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 04:48:09 +, Seymour J Metz  wrote:

>I would probably use ISPQRY, but your usage is shorter.
>
But does that require TSO?  I wanted to be TSO-independent:

z/OS 2.5  ISPF Services Guide
IBM   SC19-3626-50

Under TSO/E REXX that uses ADDRESS TSO you can use:
"ISPQRY"

(if it's a TSO command, shouldn't it be documented in the TSO COmmanf Ref.?)


From: Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 9:02 PM
>...
Thrtr are scripts intended to be bimodal where I have dome:
ADDRESS ISPEXEC DISPLAY 'MSG(ISRZ002)'
IF RC<>0 THEN DO  /* ISPF not active.  */
  say errMsg1
  say errMsg2;  END

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Re: Searching the ASVT

[Ed Jaffe]

On 2/5/2023 9:14 AM, Joe Monk wrote:

I always find it fascinating when someone tries to explain to the IBM z/OS
designers how z/OS works...


Not sure I follow what you're trying to say with this snarky-sounding 
comment, particularly since Michael Stein's explanation was correct...



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Re: Having a little difficulty with a REXX command LMOPEN

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 15:29:01 +, Seymour J Metz  wrote:

>It follows TSO command conventions, so in that sense it is a TSO command, but 
>it is in an ISPF library.
>
So 'ADDRESS TSO  "ISPQRY"' fails if ISPF libraries are not allocated?

Did you mean trimodal?

By "bimodal" I meant ISPF vs. non-ISPF.  There are numerous modes.  I start 
some scripts with:
ADDRESS ISREDIT MACRO X
IF RC<>0 THEN PARSE ARG X

I feel that ISPF designers show contempt for REXX in eschewing REXX facilitird 
such as
PARSE ARG, and especially compound symbols.


From: Paul Gilmartin 
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2023 9:53 AM

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 04:48:09 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:

>I would probably use ISPQRY, but your usage is shorter.
>
But does that require TSO?  I wanted to be TSO-independent:

z/OS 2.5  ISPF Services Guide
IBM   SC19-3626-50

Under TSO/E REXX that uses ADDRESS TSO you can use:
"ISPQRY"

(if it's a TSO command, shouldn't it be documented in the TSO COmmanf Ref.?)


From: Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 9:02 PM
>...
Thrtr are scripts intended to be bimodal where I have dome:
ADDRESS ISPEXEC DISPLAY 'MSG(ISRZ002)'
IF RC<>0 THEN DO  /* ISPF not active.  */
  say errMsg1
  say errMsg2;  END

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IFASMFDP

[Steve Beaver]

Good Morning folks,

 

My question is an IFASMPDP process Logger files?

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

Steve Beaver


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Re: Having a little difficulty with a REXX command LMOPEN

[Seymour J Metz]

ISPQRY fails if it is not in LPA, linklist or tasklib,

So you don't require that it work also in System REXX?


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To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Having a little difficulty with a REXX command LMOPEN

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 15:29:01 +, Seymour J Metz  wrote:

>It follows TSO command conventions, so in that sense it is a TSO command, but 
>it is in an ISPF library.
>
So 'ADDRESS TSO  "ISPQRY"' fails if ISPF libraries are not allocated?

Did you mean trimodal?

By "bimodal" I meant ISPF vs. non-ISPF.  There are numerous modes.  I start 
some scripts with:
ADDRESS ISREDIT MACRO X
IF RC<>0 THEN PARSE ARG X

I feel that ISPF designers show contempt for REXX in eschewing REXX facilitird 
such as
PARSE ARG, and especially compound symbols.


From: Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2023 9:53 AM

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 04:48:09 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:

>I would probably use ISPQRY, but your usage is shorter.
>
But does that require TSO?  I wanted to be TSO-independent:

z/OS 2.5  ISPF Services Guide
IBM   SC19-3626-50

Under TSO/E REXX that uses ADDRESS TSO you can use:
"ISPQRY"

(if it's a TSO command, shouldn't it be documented in the TSO COmmanf Ref.?)


From: Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 9:02 PM
>...
Thrtr are scripts intended to be bimodal where I have dome:
ADDRESS ISPEXEC DISPLAY 'MSG(ISRZ002)'
IF RC<>0 THEN DO  /* ISPF not active.  */
  say errMsg1
  say errMsg2;  END

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Re: IFASMFDP

[Carmen Vitullo]

yes, SMF logstreams

Carmen

On 2/6/2023 10:33 AM, Steve Beaver wrote:

Good Morning folks,

  


My question is an IFASMPDP process Logger files?

  

  

  


Regards,

  

  


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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: IFASMFDP

[Horne, Jim]

No, program IFASMFDL is needed for logstream processing.

Jim Horne
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yes, SMF logstreams

Carmen

On 2/6/2023 10:33 AM, Steve Beaver wrote:
> Good Morning folks,
>
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>
> My question is an IFASMPDP process Logger files?
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: IFASMFDP

[Carmen Vitullo]

ah crap - i should have verified sorry steve


On 2/6/2023 10:46 AM, Horne, Jim wrote:

No, program IFASMFDL is needed for logstream processing.

Jim Horne
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yes, SMF logstreams

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Re: I want to cry

[Steve Smith]

I do feel sorry for those of you who evidently have no social life
whatsoever outside of IBM-MAIN.

But most of us would be very gratified if you'd STFU about off-topics.
You're polluting the forum and wasting our time.

sas

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Re: Having a little difficulty with a REXX command LMOPEN

[Hobart Spitz]

Just taking a guess here:  Most ISPF services run at the same task level as
the invoking user program.  I believe that EDIT (and View) run at a
different task level, and therefore may not have access to the same
parameter pointers.


OREXXMan
Q: What do you call the residence of the ungulate with the largest antlers?
A: A moose pad.
:-D
Would you rather pass data in move mode (*nix piping) or locate mode
(Pipes) or via disk (JCL)?  Why do you think you rarely see *nix commands
with more than a dozen filters, while Pipelines specifications are commonly
over 100s of stages, and 1000s of stages are not uncommon.
REXX is the new C.


On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 10:32 AM Paul Gilmartin <
042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 15:29:01 +, Seymour J Metz  wrote:
>
> >It follows TSO command conventions, so in that sense it is a TSO command,
> but it is in an ISPF library.
> >
> So 'ADDRESS TSO  "ISPQRY"' fails if ISPF libraries are not allocated?
>
> Did you mean trimodal?
>
> By "bimodal" I meant ISPF vs. non-ISPF.  There are numerous modes.  I
> start some scripts with:
> ADDRESS ISREDIT MACRO X
> IF RC<>0 THEN PARSE ARG X
>
> I feel that ISPF designers show contempt for REXX in eschewing REXX
> facilitird such as
> PARSE ARG, and especially compound symbols.
>
> 
> From: Paul Gilmartin
> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2023 9:53 AM
>
> On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 04:48:09 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>
> >I would probably use ISPQRY, but your usage is shorter.
> >
> But does that require TSO?  I wanted to be TSO-independent:
>
> z/OS 2.5  ISPF Services Guide
> IBM   SC19-3626-50
>
> Under TSO/E REXX that uses ADDRESS TSO you can use:
> "ISPQRY"
>
> (if it's a TSO command, shouldn't it be documented in the TSO COmmanf
> Ref.?)
>
> 
> From: Paul Gilmartin
> Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 9:02 PM
> >...
> Thrtr are scripts intended to be bimodal where I have dome:
> ADDRESS ISPEXEC DISPLAY 'MSG(ISRZ002)'
> IF RC<>0 THEN DO  /* ISPF not active.  */
>   say errMsg1
>   say errMsg2;  END
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Re: I want to cry

[Bill Johnson]

Me too. People who post non-stop, every day, all day, obviously have no life 
outside of IBM-MAIN. Whereas, I rarely post because I’m doing a ton of 
traveling. But, that’s been true throughout my IT career. Whether it was my 
travels to NY to be on the MILLIONAIRE show, my $10,000 reward for helping the 
FBI solve a robbery of an armored car facility, to global travels, IT was just 
the means to an end. Not what defined me. Back to lurking.


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I do feel sorry for those of you who evidently have no social life
whatsoever outside of IBM-MAIN.

But most of us would be very gratified if you'd STFU about off-topics.
You're polluting the forum and wasting our time.

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Re: I want to cry

[Tom Brennan]

"IT was just the means to an end"

Ah, that explains why I can't remember you ever helping someone here 
with a technical issue.  Pretty-much anyone I've ever worked with who 
got into this business *only* because they saw money, was generally 
less-technical and often ended up in management.  The folks who were 
truly interested in computers were the ones who got things done 
technically and were always ready to help others.


On 2/6/2023 9:01 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:

Me too. People who post non-stop, every day, all day, obviously have no life 
outside of IBM-MAIN. Whereas, I rarely post because I’m doing a ton of 
traveling. But, that’s been true throughout my IT career. Whether it was my 
travels to NY to be on the MILLIONAIRE show, my $10,000 reward for helping the 
FBI solve a robbery of an armored car facility, to global travels, IT was just 
the means to an end. Not what defined me. Back to lurking.


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I do feel sorry for those of you who evidently have no social life
whatsoever outside of IBM-MAIN.

But most of us would be very gratified if you'd STFU about off-topics.
You're polluting the forum and wasting our time.

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Re: I want to cry

[Bill Johnson]

Your analysis is incorrect. I’m highly technical. But, my expertise is varied. 
I’m a jack of all trades. Programming, DASD management, DBA, MQ, z/OS, lots of 
third party software, Security, etc. Why do I need to add my cents when there 
are plenty of know it alls with no actual work to do other than post here?


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On Monday, February 6, 2023, 12:30 PM, Tom Brennan 
 wrote:

"IT was just the means to an end"

Ah, that explains why I can't remember you ever helping someone here 
with a technical issue.  Pretty-much anyone I've ever worked with who 
got into this business *only* because they saw money, was generally 
less-technical and often ended up in management.  The folks who were 
truly interested in computers were the ones who got things done 
technically and were always ready to help others.

On 2/6/2023 9:01 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:
> Me too. People who post non-stop, every day, all day, obviously have no life 
> outside of IBM-MAIN. Whereas, I rarely post because I’m doing a ton of 
> traveling. But, that’s been true throughout my IT career. Whether it was my 
> travels to NY to be on the MILLIONAIRE show, my $10,000 reward for helping 
> the FBI solve a robbery of an armored car facility, to global travels, IT was 
> just the means to an end. Not what defined me. Back to lurking.
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
> 
> On Monday, February 6, 2023, 11:50 AM, Steve Smith  wrote:
> 
> I do feel sorry for those of you who evidently have no social life
> whatsoever outside of IBM-MAIN.
> 
> But most of us would be very gratified if you'd STFU about off-topics.
> You're polluting the forum and wasting our time.
> 
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Re: I want to cry

[Seymour J Metz]

It's a bit more complicated. While there ma be people who never help and people 
who always help, there are also people whose response depends on how busy they 
are at the time and who is requesting assistance.


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Tom 
Brennan 
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2023 12:30 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: I want to cry

"IT was just the means to an end"

Ah, that explains why I can't remember you ever helping someone here
with a technical issue.  Pretty-much anyone I've ever worked with who
got into this business *only* because they saw money, was generally
less-technical and often ended up in management.  The folks who were
truly interested in computers were the ones who got things done
technically and were always ready to help others.

On 2/6/2023 9:01 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:
> Me too. People who post non-stop, every day, all day, obviously have no life 
> outside of IBM-MAIN. Whereas, I rarely post because I’m doing a ton of 
> traveling. But, that’s been true throughout my IT career. Whether it was my 
> travels to NY to be on the MILLIONAIRE show, my $10,000 reward for helping 
> the FBI solve a robbery of an armored car facility, to global travels, IT was 
> just the means to an end. Not what defined me. Back to lurking.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Monday, February 6, 2023, 11:50 AM, Steve Smith  wrote:
>
> I do feel sorry for those of you who evidently have no social life
> whatsoever outside of IBM-MAIN.
>
> But most of us would be very gratified if you'd STFU about off-topics.
> You're polluting the forum and wasting our time.
>
> sas
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Please let's keep things professional and technical

[Lionel B. Dyck]

Can everyone please take a deep breath and remember that we are all here to
help others on their mainframe journey.


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Re: Missing Values For The 'SDSF DA' Panels - z/OS 2.5

[Michael Babcock]

Rob.   We applied all available SDSF maintenance to our 2.5 system.
 We’ve found that DA ALL works.  Has something changed with respect to the
DA command/panel not defaulting to ALL?


On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 2:55 AM Rob Scott  wrote:

> Ross,
>
> First of all, I am glad you have opened a support case for this, our
> support team should be able to gather further diagnostic information to
> resolve the problem.
>
> A bit of background information for the archives :
>
> (o) In z/OS 2.4+, the SDSF "DA" information is gathered centrally by a
> subtask in the SDSFAUX address space.
> (o) This subtask uses the RMF programming service ERBSMFI (GRBSMFI) to
> collect this information and any ISV product that replaces RMF supplies an
> alias for this module.
> (o) The SDSFAUX address space dumps the first 256 bytes of the ERBSMFI
> load module in the HSFTRACE DD that is allocated to the SDSF started task
> (o) When the RMF address space is not active, ERBSMFI still returns the
> data we require (SMF 79-1 records), however in our experience other ISV
> products do not return data when their STC is inactive and instead pass
> back a non-zero return code. As a customer for an ISV that replaces RMF,
> you might want to consider raising an RFE with them to address this.
> (o) When we get a non-zero return code from ERBSMFI for 79-1 data, we
> fallback to our own internal data collector (HSFSMFI) that builds pseudo
> 79-1 records that reflect the columns that SDSF used to display prior to
> using ERBSMFI (many years ago). The SDSF client code will detect this
> condition and the number of columns shown on the DA panel will be greatly
> reduced from "full-RMF" function.
> (o) Error conditions calling ERBSMFI are normally reflected either by
> WTO-style messages and/or messages written to the HSFLOG DD that is
> allocated to the SDSF started task.
> (o) Other SDSF panels that depend on ERBSMFI include DEV and PAG, however
> they do not have internal fallback capability.
>
> Rob Scott
> Rocket Software
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf
> Of Ross Vaughn
> Sent: 03 February 2023 04:07
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Missing Values For The 'SDSF DA' Panels - z/OS 2.5
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> We are currently in the process of rolling out z/OS 2.5 and have hit an
> issue on a test LPAR that is not displaying any information in the SDSF DA
> panels.
> There are no messages in the syslog out of the IPL that would lead us in a
> certain direction.  We think we may have an issue with CMF but can’t
> confirm.  We are occasionally seeing error messages out of SDSFAUX as well.
>
> It looks like beginning with z/OS 2.4 the ’SDSF DA’ information is
> obtained by the SDSFAUX address space calling the BMC AMI Ops Monitor for
> CMF.  We have verified we have the CX10GVID module in our linklist library
> that CMF uses to obtain the SDSF DA values.
> We have a ticket open with support as well, but curious if anyone has seen
> similar issues when rolling out z/OS 2.5?   Same LPAR on z/OS 2.4 does not
> have the same issue.
>
> Thanks,
> Ross
>
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Re: I want to cry

[Bill Johnson]

Bingo. There are more people here who never help versus those that do. Also, 
there are far more mainframe people who aren’t even subscribed to IBM-MAIN than 
are subscribed. I have rarely needed assistance but when I did, I RTFM, or went 
directly to IBM or IBMers. Sent direct emails to Mr. Thomen,(RIP) Mr. 
Quackenbush, and others whose expertise is beyond this forum. Do I think there 
are talented individuals here? Of course. But, there are also some who are full 
of crap or just here for the professional networking. 


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On Monday, February 6, 2023, 12:52 PM, Seymour J Metz  wrote:

It's a bit more complicated. While there ma be people who never help and people 
who always help, there are also people whose response depends on how busy they 
are at the time and who is requesting assistance.


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Tom 
Brennan 
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2023 12:30 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: I want to cry

"IT was just the means to an end"

Ah, that explains why I can't remember you ever helping someone here
with a technical issue.  Pretty-much anyone I've ever worked with who
got into this business *only* because they saw money, was generally
less-technical and often ended up in management.  The folks who were
truly interested in computers were the ones who got things done
technically and were always ready to help others.

On 2/6/2023 9:01 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:
> Me too. People who post non-stop, every day, all day, obviously have no life 
> outside of IBM-MAIN. Whereas, I rarely post because I’m doing a ton of 
> traveling. But, that’s been true throughout my IT career. Whether it was my 
> travels to NY to be on the MILLIONAIRE show, my $10,000 reward for helping 
> the FBI solve a robbery of an armored car facility, to global travels, IT was 
> just the means to an end. Not what defined me. Back to lurking.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Monday, February 6, 2023, 11:50 AM, Steve Smith  wrote:
>
> I do feel sorry for those of you who evidently have no social life
> whatsoever outside of IBM-MAIN.
>
> But most of us would be very gratified if you'd STFU about off-topics.
> You're polluting the forum and wasting our time.
>
> sas
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Re: I want to cry

[Michael Watkins]

I'd guess there is no one that receives these emails who has an interest in 
every topic discussed, whether those topics are in technical threads or more 
the more 'off-topic' threads.

If a thread does not interest me, I simply ignore it. I find that works for me, 
whether the thread is technical or off-topic. If or when that doesn't work for 
me, I'll unsubscribe.


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Bingo. There are more people here who never help versus those that do. Also, 
there are far more mainframe people who aren’t even subscribed to IBM-MAIN than 
are subscribed. I have rarely needed assistance but when I did, I RTFM, or went 
directly to IBM or IBMers. Sent direct emails to Mr. Thomen,(RIP) Mr. 
Quackenbush, and others whose expertise is beyond this forum. Do I think there 
are talented individuals here? Of course. But, there are also some who are full 
of crap or just here for the professional networking.


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On Monday, February 6, 2023, 12:52 PM, Seymour J Metz  wrote:

It's a bit more complicated. While there ma be people who never help and people 
who always help, there are also people whose response depends on how busy they 
are at the time and who is requesting assistance.


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Tom 
Brennan 
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2023 12:30 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: I want to cry

"IT was just the means to an end"

Ah, that explains why I can't remember you ever helping someone here with a 
technical issue.  Pretty-much anyone I've ever worked with who got into this 
business *only* because they saw money, was generally less-technical and often 
ended up in management.  The folks who were truly interested in computers were 
the ones who got things done technically and were always ready to help others.

On 2/6/2023 9:01 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:
> Me too. People who post non-stop, every day, all day, obviously have no life 
> outside of IBM-MAIN. Whereas, I rarely post because I’m doing a ton of 
> traveling. But, that’s been true throughout my IT career. Whether it was my 
> travels to NY to be on the MILLIONAIRE show, my $10,000 reward for helping 
> the FBI solve a robbery of an armored car facility, to global travels, IT was 
> just the means to an end. Not what defined me. Back to lurking.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Monday, February 6, 2023, 11:50 AM, Steve Smith  wrote:
>
> I do feel sorry for those of you who evidently have no social life 
> whatsoever outside of IBM-MAIN.
>
> But most of us would be very gratified if you'd STFU about off-topics.
> You're polluting the forum and wasting our time.
>
> sas
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Re: I want to cry

[Paul Gorlinsky]

Absolutely! They should be taught how to program and debug first, then the 
constructs of individual languages. 

Many of us have programed on all sorts of machines from the IBM mainframe, to 
the IBM PC, 8080s, z80s, Univac 1050-II, Xeon, Arm, etc. and different 
languages from all the of different assemblers, PL/I, COBOL, FORTRAN, BASIC, 
REXX, C, JAVA, et.al.

And can move freely between them. 

But alas, even company trained systems programmers AREN'T systems 
programmers... They are installers, administrators, etc. that can't write a 
lick of assembler code ...

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Re: I want to cry

[william janulin]

Good points. A lot of us started off in operations first then went on to 
application development. Eventually, some of us moved over to systems 
programming. Then.later the silos were created for operating systems 
maintenance, networking, and database. 
Today circling back, all those roles were melded into one individual wearing 
many hats, thanks to the Muckety mucks trying to kill the mainframe.
So here we are.
Bill Janulin. 
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  On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 13:37, Paul Gorlinsky wrote:   
Absolutely! They should be taught how to program and debug first, then the 
constructs of individual languages. 

Many of us have programed on all sorts of machines from the IBM mainframe, to 
the IBM PC, 8080s, z80s, Univac 1050-II, Xeon, Arm, etc. and different 
languages from all the of different assemblers, PL/I, COBOL, FORTRAN, BASIC, 
REXX, C, JAVA, et.al.

And can move freely between them. 

But alas, even company trained systems programmers AREN'T systems 
programmers... They are installers, administrators, etc. that can't write a 
lick of assembler code ...

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Re: Missing Values For The 'SDSF DA' Panels - z/OS 2.5

[Rob Scott]

Please check the DADFLT() keyword on the SDSF GROUP statement. This dictates 
the default address space types returned when the user omits any parameters on 
the DA command.

If the SDSF group omits the DADFLT keyword, it defaults to NONE. I believe 
there are historical reasons for this  behaviour.

Rob Scott
Rocket Software

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
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Sent: Monday, February 6, 2023 6:05:54 PM
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Subject: Re: Missing Values For The 'SDSF DA' Panels - z/OS 2.5

EXTERNAL EMAIL




Rob. We applied all available SDSF maintenance to our 2.5 system.
We’ve found that DA ALL works. Has something changed with respect to the
DA command/panel not defaulting to ALL?


On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 2:55 AM Rob Scott  wrote:

> Ross,
>
> First of all, I am glad you have opened a support case for this, our
> support team should be able to gather further diagnostic information to
> resolve the problem.
>
> A bit of background information for the archives :
>
> (o) In z/OS 2.4+, the SDSF "DA" information is gathered centrally by a
> subtask in the SDSFAUX address space.
> (o) This subtask uses the RMF programming service ERBSMFI (GRBSMFI) to
> collect this information and any ISV product that replaces RMF supplies an
> alias for this module.
> (o) The SDSFAUX address space dumps the first 256 bytes of the ERBSMFI
> load module in the HSFTRACE DD that is allocated to the SDSF started task
> (o) When the RMF address space is not active, ERBSMFI still returns the
> data we require (SMF 79-1 records), however in our experience other ISV
> products do not return data when their STC is inactive and instead pass
> back a non-zero return code. As a customer for an ISV that replaces RMF,
> you might want to consider raising an RFE with them to address this.
> (o) When we get a non-zero return code from ERBSMFI for 79-1 data, we
> fallback to our own internal data collector (HSFSMFI) that builds pseudo
> 79-1 records that reflect the columns that SDSF used to display prior to
> using ERBSMFI (many years ago). The SDSF client code will detect this
> condition and the number of columns shown on the DA panel will be greatly
> reduced from "full-RMF" function.
> (o) Error conditions calling ERBSMFI are normally reflected either by
> WTO-style messages and/or messages written to the HSFLOG DD that is
> allocated to the SDSF started task.
> (o) Other SDSF panels that depend on ERBSMFI include DEV and PAG, however
> they do not have internal fallback capability.
>
> Rob Scott
> Rocket Software
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf
> Of Ross Vaughn
> Sent: 03 February 2023 04:07
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Missing Values For The 'SDSF DA' Panels - z/OS 2.5
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> We are currently in the process of rolling out z/OS 2.5 and have hit an
> issue on a test LPAR that is not displaying any information in the SDSF DA
> panels.
> There are no messages in the syslog out of the IPL that would lead us in a
> certain direction. We think we may have an issue with CMF but can’t
> confirm. We are occasionally seeing error messages out of SDSFAUX as well.
>
> It looks like beginning with z/OS 2.4 the ’SDSF DA’ information is
> obtained by the SDSFAUX address space calling the BMC AMI Ops Monitor for
> CMF. We have verified we have the CX10GVID module in our linklist library
> that CMF uses to obtain the SDSF DA values.
> We have a ticket open with support as well, but curious if anyone has seen
> similar issues when rolling out z/OS 2.5? Same LPAR on z/OS 2.4 does not
> have the same issue.
>
> Thanks,
> Ross
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: I want to cry

[Carmen Vitullo]

Absolutely!
I fall into the last category now :( - went to tech school for data processing, 
RPG and RPG II some COBOL in the 70's
went for my fist job with Chilton Research for a programmers position, I ended 
up being one of those folks you don't want to get a call from.
 I left there and was able to get a job with Sears hoping to be a programmer 
only to get a job as an operator, but I was provided the opportunity to learn 
application level assembler programing, everyone, even my managers and supers 
were assembler programmers, it was then I was taught how to shoot a dump, but 
my ability was limited in assembler, moving on from Sears to other gigs I had 
the opportunity to learn exit routines and update some JES2 MOD's (when IBM 
provided source) but most of my job(s), especially working with IBM was as you 
said, install, adim and debug system and product issues.
Over time I learned how to design and build sysplex systems along with all the 
other  all all the other cool stuff that goes with administering a z/OS SYSPLEX.
most managers now only want us to document (desktop) procedures thinking it's 
so easy just for us to document what we do so the next kid can take over, yeah, 
I'd like to see that.
sorry for the expanded version of my response.
Carmen

On 2/6/2023 12:37 PM, Paul Gorlinsky wrote:

Absolutely! They should be taught how to program and debug first, then the 
constructs of individual languages.

Many of us have programed on all sorts of machines from the IBM mainframe, to 
the IBM PC, 8080s, z80s, Univac 1050-II, Xeon, Arm, etc. and different 
languages from all the of different assemblers, PL/I, COBOL, FORTRAN, BASIC, 
REXX, C, JAVA, et.al.

And can move freely between them.

But alas, even company trained systems programmers AREN'T systems 
programmers... They are installers, administrators, etc. that can't write a 
lick of assembler code ...

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Re: I want to cry

[Tom Marchant]

It is very difficult to debug an abend in a Cobol program unless you can at 
least read the generated assembler. Of course, these days, there are programs 
that will do it for you.

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On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 18:27:57 -0500, Tony Thigpen  wrote:

>Ok, so exactly why is that a problem?
>
>Tony Thigpen
>
>Bob Bridges wrote on 2/3/23 13:09:
>> It is a little distressing, though (at least to me), to observe how many 
>> "programmers" never ~have~ seen anything but COBOL.
>>
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>> And unless COBOL is the only programming language you've ever seen, it seems 
>> unlikely that you wouldn't know what a variable is.
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Re: I want to cry

[Paul Gorlinsky]

Spend a year reading customers dumps on paper upside down ... 

Most were S0C7 ... what do you do when the debuggers are broken?

Yes, you have to understand the machine instructions, but not every one of them 
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Re: I want to cry

[Bob Bridges]

I hesitate at this first line, Paul.  I can't tell its context (because you 
deleted the post you're responding to, ahem!), but I'm remembering how I got 
into programming when I first encountered it:

Professor, on the VERY FIRST DAY of class: So if you're writing a program to 
compare two numbers and display the larger one, what's the first thing you have 
to do?

Class, after thoughtful silence: Well, you print the larger number...
Class: You compare the numbers
Class: [Other ideas]

Professor: Nope.  The VERY FIRST thing you have to do is GET THE FIRST NUMBER!

...And he wrote on the blackboard:  GET N1

Then: GET N2

And eventually: PUT ANSWER

The language was PL/C (a subset of PL/1), so the verbs GET and PUT are in the 
language; without knowing it, we (well, he) had just written our first 
syntactically correct PL/1 program.

On the first or second day of class he handed out cards with JCL on them that 
we could wrap around the programs we wrote so as to get answers back at the 
printer at the data center.  A week or two in he required us to write a program 
that would read data from a catalogued dataset, so we had to code for unknown 
inputs.  The realization that other languages used other syntax came later; we 
were coding, even with an imperfect understanding of how it works.

Meanwhile I talked with students of a COBOL course who were six weeks into the 
class and only then encountering loops - but only in books, for they were a 
long way from being permitted to write a program for themselves.  I heartily 
recommend how my own teacher did it.

Of course you may not have meant any differently.  But it sounded a little like 
it.  Me, I was immediately hooked, and started spending all my free time at the 
data center, teaching myself FORTRAN and Basic and writing games and accounting 
utilities (accounting being my major).  Had I taken that COBOL course, I'm sure 
it would have confirmed me in my initial supposition that programming must be 
boring.

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Paul Gorlinsky
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2023 13:37

Absolutely! They should be taught how to program and debug first, then the 
constructs of individual languages. 

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Re: Missing Values For The 'SDSF DA' Panels - z/OS 2.5

[Michael Babcock]

Rob, we didn’t have DADFLT coded for our group in ISFPRMxx member.   It
still worked under 2.4 so that hole must have been closed with 2.5.

Oddly enough, our test LPAR for the SYSPROG group was the only group DADFLT
wasn’t coded on.   It was coded on all other groups and all other LPARs.

Thanks!

On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 12:50 PM Rob Scott  wrote:

> Please check the DADFLT() keyword on the SDSF GROUP statement. This
> dictates the default address space types returned when the user omits any
> parameters on the DA command.
>
> If the SDSF group omits the DADFLT keyword, it defaults to NONE. I believe
> there are historical reasons for this  behaviour.
>
> Rob Scott
> Rocket Software
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf
> of Michael Babcock 
> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2023 6:05:54 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
> Subject: Re: Missing Values For The 'SDSF DA' Panels - z/OS 2.5
>
> EXTERNAL EMAIL
>
>
>
>
> Rob. We applied all available SDSF maintenance to our 2.5 system.
> We’ve found that DA ALL works. Has something changed with respect to the
> DA command/panel not defaulting to ALL?
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 2:55 AM Rob Scott 
> wrote:
>
> > Ross,
> >
> > First of all, I am glad you have opened a support case for this, our
> > support team should be able to gather further diagnostic information to
> > resolve the problem.
> >
> > A bit of background information for the archives :
> >
> > (o) In z/OS 2.4+, the SDSF "DA" information is gathered centrally by a
> > subtask in the SDSFAUX address space.
> > (o) This subtask uses the RMF programming service ERBSMFI (GRBSMFI) to
> > collect this information and any ISV product that replaces RMF supplies
> an
> > alias for this module.
> > (o) The SDSFAUX address space dumps the first 256 bytes of the ERBSMFI
> > load module in the HSFTRACE DD that is allocated to the SDSF started task
> > (o) When the RMF address space is not active, ERBSMFI still returns the
> > data we require (SMF 79-1 records), however in our experience other ISV
> > products do not return data when their STC is inactive and instead pass
> > back a non-zero return code. As a customer for an ISV that replaces RMF,
> > you might want to consider raising an RFE with them to address this.
> > (o) When we get a non-zero return code from ERBSMFI for 79-1 data, we
> > fallback to our own internal data collector (HSFSMFI) that builds pseudo
> > 79-1 records that reflect the columns that SDSF used to display prior to
> > using ERBSMFI (many years ago). The SDSF client code will detect this
> > condition and the number of columns shown on the DA panel will be greatly
> > reduced from "full-RMF" function.
> > (o) Error conditions calling ERBSMFI are normally reflected either by
> > WTO-style messages and/or messages written to the HSFLOG DD that is
> > allocated to the SDSF started task.
> > (o) Other SDSF panels that depend on ERBSMFI include DEV and PAG, however
> > they do not have internal fallback capability.
> >
> > Rob Scott
> > Rocket Software
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf
> > Of Ross Vaughn
> > Sent: 03 February 2023 04:07
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Missing Values For The 'SDSF DA' Panels - z/OS 2.5
> >
> > EXTERNAL EMAIL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > We are currently in the process of rolling out z/OS 2.5 and have hit an
> > issue on a test LPAR that is not displaying any information in the SDSF
> DA
> > panels.
> > There are no messages in the syslog out of the IPL that would lead us in
> a
> > certain direction. We think we may have an issue with CMF but can’t
> > confirm. We are occasionally seeing error messages out of SDSFAUX as
> well.
> >
> > It looks like beginning with z/OS 2.4 the ’SDSF DA’ information is
> > obtained by the SDSFAUX address space calling the BMC AMI Ops Monitor for
> > CMF. We have verified we have the CX10GVID module in our linklist library
> > that CMF uses to obtain the SDSF DA values.
> > We have a ticket open with support as well, but curious if anyone has
> seen
> > similar issues when rolling out z/OS 2.5? Same LPAR on z/OS 2.4 does not
> > have the same issue.
> >
> > Thanks,
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Re: I want to cry

[Paul Gorlinsky]

Oregon State was using a pseudo language system to teach ... not a mainstream 
language.

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I want to cry

[Pommier, Rex]

They had a bad COBOL instructor!  We were writing our first program in the 
first 2 weeks of my first COBOL course.  We didn't understand all the details 
of the FILE DIVISION et al at that point, but we were at least learning the 
language and applying it.

Rex

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of Bob 
Bridges
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2023 1:27 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: I want to cry

I hesitate at this first line, Paul.  I can't tell its context (because you 
deleted the post you're responding to, ahem!), but I'm remembering how I got 
into programming when I first encountered it:

Professor, on the VERY FIRST DAY of class: So if you're writing a program to 
compare two numbers and display the larger one, what's the first thing you have 
to do?

Class, after thoughtful silence: Well, you print the larger number...
Class: You compare the numbers
Class: [Other ideas]

Professor: Nope.  The VERY FIRST thing you have to do is GET THE FIRST NUMBER!

...And he wrote on the blackboard:  GET N1

Then: GET N2

And eventually: PUT ANSWER

The language was PL/C (a subset of PL/1), so the verbs GET and PUT are in the 
language; without knowing it, we (well, he) had just written our first 
syntactically correct PL/1 program.

On the first or second day of class he handed out cards with JCL on them that 
we could wrap around the programs we wrote so as to get answers back at the 
printer at the data center.  A week or two in he required us to write a program 
that would read data from a catalogued dataset, so we had to code for unknown 
inputs.  The realization that other languages used other syntax came later; we 
were coding, even with an imperfect understanding of how it works.

Meanwhile I talked with students of a COBOL course who were six weeks into the 
class and only then encountering loops - but only in books, for they were a 
long way from being permitted to write a program for themselves.  I heartily 
recommend how my own teacher did it.

Of course you may not have meant any differently.  But it sounded a little like 
it.  Me, I was immediately hooked, and started spending all my free time at the 
data center, teaching myself FORTRAN and Basic and writing games and accounting 
utilities (accounting being my major).  Had I taken that COBOL course, I'm sure 
it would have confirmed me in my initial supposition that programming must be 
boring.

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Sent: Monday, February 6, 2023 13:37

Absolutely! They should be taught how to program and debug first, then the 
constructs of individual languages. 

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I want to cry

[Paul Gorlinsky]

For the state of Oregon DMV, I wrote a set of pure CICS Cobol programs that 
implemented a TCPIP client and server for interaction with the states law 
enforcement windows based message switching system. It provided photos and text 
data to Cop cars and other devices … 

Cobol was chosen because C was not used as a shop standard.

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Re: I want to cry

[Seymour J Metz]

I started out in assembler, but I  worked with operators who later became 
programmers and systems programmers.











































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Sent: Monday, February 6, 2023 1:49 PM
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Subject: Re: I want to cry

Good points. A lot of us started off in operations first then went on to 
application development. Eventually, some of us moved over to systems 
programming. Then.later the silos were created for operating systems 
maintenance, networking, and database.
Today circling back, all those roles were melded into one individual wearing 
many hats, thanks to the Muckety mucks trying to kill the mainframe.
So here we are.
Bill Janulin.
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

  On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 13:37, Paul Gorlinsky wrote:   
Absolutely! They should be taught how to program and debug first, then the 
constructs of individual languages.

Many of us have programed on all sorts of machines from the IBM mainframe, to 
the IBM PC, 8080s, z80s, Univac 1050-II, Xeon, Arm, etc. and different 
languages from all the of different assemblers, PL/I, COBOL, FORTRAN, BASIC, 
REXX, C, JAVA, et.al.

And can move freely between them.

But alas, even company trained systems programmers AREN'T systems 
programmers... They are installers, administrators, etc. that can't write a 
lick of assembler code ...

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Re: I want to cry

[Gibney, Dave]

COBOL was almost trivial to learn, after a semester of #&) Assemble out of 
Struble. But, I guess by then it was at least my 4th or 5th language.

I came up from application programming, then supporting a few (CA) products to 
sysprog about the time of ESA

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Re: I want to cry

[Gibney, Dave]

370 assembler . Sticky shift finger

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Re: I want to cry

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 21:11:34 +, Gibney, Dave  wrote:

>370 assembler . Sticky shift finger
>
Keypunch?

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Re: I want to cry

[Gibney, Dave]

It's been a long time since I keypunched. Never had to for work. 
I was going to write S370, but as I seemingly often do, I held the shift and 
did S#&)

Digressing from my statement that COBOL was not hard to learn. And as has been 
also stated, modern Cobol is capable of many things that used to be tricky to 
do, but were possible even then. (1980s)

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> On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 21:11:34 +, Gibney, Dave  wrote:
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> >370 assembler . Sticky shift finger
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> Keypunch?
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Re: I want to cry

[Steve Thompson]

I can hold my silence no longer.

FORTRAN in HS, Intro in college was FORTRAN, then 2 semesters of 
ALC (S/360 DOS) and 1 of RPG|RPGII.


Taught myself COBOL well enough that in 2 weeks I could work on 
it and do macro level CICS (CICS 1.1.1 -- LONG before CICS/TS for 
you folk in CICS dev/support these days) and FASTER/MT or was it 
MT/FASTER?


Eventually to the best job I ever had, working at AMDAHL in 
MDF/Macrocode development, where my component was Machine Check 
handling, and getting ready for ESA when they started laying off. 
The things I learned about S/370...


I can still read manuals and learn stuff unlike most of the 
current crop of kids. Which is what started this thread. But in 
my case I just wanna SCREAM!!  Because I ended up writing tech 
manuals or parts of them for IBM and various ISVs over the years. 
And in my last position, I wrote a utility to generate all the 
JCL needed to do COBOL compiles, for CICS, DB2, PROCOBOL, IDMS... 
And these kids couldn't be bothered to use PF1 (all field level 
help, besides screen level help).


Typical call, The compiler is broken. Which compiler They 
thought the tool was a compiler. And they didn't understand the 
message(s) it put out. Or the JOB failed because their changes 
were syntactically incorrect.


When we all are gone, I'm afraid that what one of the old SCI-FI 
writers said in a story that I've now forgotten the title to, 
that the society will collapse because no one knows how to fix 
anything. Maybe some old COBOL programmer will be left in a 
cryocrypt that they can get out and solve their medical problem, 
for them to be able to explain how to fix.


Steve Thompson

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Re: I want to cry

[Bob Bridges]

I haven't written in COBOL since some time in the 1980s.  That's not counting a 
short ciphering routine I wrote coming up on Y2K, and a lot of ~reading~ COBOL 
programs for a client in 2012.  But I keep hearing that COBOL is keeping up 
with the times, and I'm sort of curious.  What's been added?  It already had 
most of the capability that I can imagine it needing.

(In my day the fanciest COBOL statements I can think of were STRING and 
UNSTRING.  At least one employer at the time didn't allow us to use them, on 
the grounds that they were seldom used and a novice COBOL coder might not be 
familiar with them.  My own position on that - and a later boss agreed - is 
that STRING and UNSTRING are COBOL, do you hear there?, and if a novice COBOL 
coder isn't familiar with them then that's ok and his job is to ~get~ familiar 
with them.)

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Sent: Monday, February 6, 2023 16:30

Digressing from my statement that COBOL was not hard to learn. And as has 
been also stated, modern Cobol is capable of many things that used to be tricky 
to do, but were possible even then. (1980s)

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Re: I want to cry

[Bob Bridges]

I'm sure I've posted this before, but since you bring it up...

---

Jack was a COBOL programmer in the late 1990s who (after years of being treated 
as a technological dinosaur by all the UNIX programmers, Client/Server 
programmers, website developers etc) was finally getting some respect:  He'd 
become a private consultant specializing in Year-2000 conversions.  He was 
working short-term assignments for prestigious companies, traveling all over 
the world on different assignments.  He was working 70- and 80- and even 
90-hour weeks, but it was worth it.

However, several years of this relentless, mind-numbing work had taken its toll 
on Jack.  He had problems sleeping and began having anxiety dreams about the 
year 2000.  It had reached a point where even the thought of the year 2000 made 
him nearly violent.  He must have suffered some sort of breakdown, because all 
he could think about was how he could avoid the year 2000 and all that came 
with it.

Near the end of 1998 Jack had decided to contact a company that specialized in 
cryogenics.  He made a deal to have himself frozen until 2001 through their 
totally automated (and very expensive) process.  He was thrilled.  The next 
thing he would know, he'd wake up in the year 2001 -- after the New Year 
celebrations and computer debacles, and after the dust had settled. Nothing 
else to worry about except getting on with his life.

He was put into his cryogenic receptacle, the technicians set the revive date, 
he was given injections to slow his heartbeat to a bare minimum, and that was 
that.

The next thing Jack saw was an enormous room filled with excited people.  They 
were all shouting "I can't believe it!" and "It's a miracle" and "He's alive!". 
 There were odd-looking cameras and equipment that looked like it came out of a 
science-fiction movie.

Someone who was obviously a spokesperson for the group stepped forward.  Jack 
couldn't contain his enthusiasm.  "It's over?" he asked.  "Is 2001 already 
here?  Are all the millennial parties and promotions and crises all over and 
done with?"

The spokesman explained that there had been a problem with the programming of 
the timer on Jack's cryogenic receptacle.  It hadn't been year-2000 compliant; 
it was actually 8000 years later, not the year 2001.  But the spokesman told 
Jack that he shouldn't get excited; someone important wanted to speak to him.

Suddenly a wall-sized projection screen displayed the image of a man that had a 
striking resemblance to Bill Gates.  This man was Prime Minister of Earth.  He 
told Jack not to be upset - that this was a wonderful time to be alive.  There 
was world peace and no more starvation.  The space program had been reïnstated 
and there were colonies on the moon and on Mars.  That technology had advanced 
to such a degree that everyone had virtual-reality interfaces that allowed them 
to contact anyone else on the planet, or to watch any entertainment, or to hear 
any music recorded anywhere.

"That sounds terrific," said Jack. "But I'm curious:  Why is everybody so 
interested in me?"

"Well," said the Prime Minister.  "The year 10 000 is just around the corner, 
and it says in your files you know COBOL..."

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When we all are gone, I'm afraid that what one of the old SCI-FI writers said 
in a story that I've now forgotten the title to, that the society will collapse 
because no one knows how to fix anything. Maybe some old COBOL programmer will 
be left in a cryocrypt that they can get out and solve their medical problem, 
for them to be able to explain how to fix.

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Re: I want to cry

[Phil Smith III]

Well, now that we've devolved to swapping histories: 

I first used a keypunch when I was four, in 1965. My dad rented one and had
it installed in the house because he was working on a concordance program.
His first project was Beowulf, and he needed the text to be input, which my
mother volunteered to do (or for all I know, he paid her out of some grant).
https://www.amazon.com/Concordance-Beowulf-Jess-B-Bessinger/dp/0801404800
was the result (note that B comes before S, so it's listed under his
collaborator's name but you can see "SMITH" on the spine in the picture).
That was on OS/360; he ported the program to VM, and when he retired in
1989, he rewrote it from PL/I to C on Windows.

One result of that concordance is that there's a line in Woody Allen's Annie
Hall where she says she's thinking of going back to school, and he says,
"Just don't take anything where they make you read Beowulf!" It's a
throwaway line, but my family finds it inordinately funny, since we lived
with that project for a half-dozen years.

A decade after the Beowulf keypunch, I sat in on my dad's PL/C introduction
to programming at University of Waterloo, where he taught, the summer after
my 8th grade. Kind of a big deal-kids didn't generally get to touch
computers in 1975! And I remember a friend-a bright guy-who asked me what
the computer's voice sounded like. I had to break the news to him that we
were still using cards. Too much Star Trek.

That was the year after I'd started playing a SUMER game via dialup (300bps,
I think-possibly 110) on my dad's VM/370 account. In that game, you were
king of Mesopotamia and had to manage the grain harvest: so many bushels for
food, so many for bribing the barbarians, etc.; you could also buy and sell
land. But it only let you play for either 2 or 3 "years" (harvests), which
was profoundly unsatisfying. Once I found that the EXEC that invoked it
issued a command against another file, which comprised a semi-English-like
language, I tinkered until I had a version that would ask you how many years
you wanted to play for. My first hack! Nowadays, of course, I would have
contributed it back to the U, but back then it honestly never occurred to
me. And I've looked for but not found SUMER. I think it was years later that
I realized the language was BASIC. Not sure I've written any actual BASIC
since, though I've tinkered with VB and VBS.


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ISPF macro/script

[Radoslaw Skorupka]

To be honest ISPF & REXX is not my strong point.

I need the following:
From PDS(E) member list I type my CMD1, hit ENTER - to start the REXX 
script.
The script Select new member (name generated from date+consecutive 
character), then issue some edit commands, like COPY TEMPLATE to copy 
some text from the TEMPLATE member.


Any clue?
Or some similar script to learn by example?

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Re: ISPF macro/script

[Hobart Spitz]

You have these options:
1 - Select the member manually, and invoke your REXX edit macro.
2 - Write another module the invokes the edit service in the library and
member, and runs the edit macro.
3 - Write one dual mode module.  I do not recommend this.

Edit commands are only valid in REXX EXECs that have issued ADDRESS ISREDIT
MACRO which establishes the edit macro environment.

I would Google "ispf edit macro example".

On Monday, February 6, 2023, Radoslaw Skorupka <
0471ebeac275-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> To be honest ISPF & REXX is not my strong point.
>
> I need the following:
> From PDS(E) member list I type my CMD1, hit ENTER - to start the REXX
> script.
> The script Select new member (name generated from date+consecutive
> character), then issue some edit commands, like COPY TEMPLATE to copy some
> text from the TEMPLATE member.
>
> Any clue?
> Or some similar script to learn by example?
>
> --
> Radoslaw Skorupka
> Lodz, Poland
>
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Q: What do you call the residence of the ungulate with the largest antlers?
A: A moose pad.
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Would you rather pass data in move mode (*nix piping) or locate mode
(Pipes) or via disk (JCL)?  Why do you think you rarely see *nix commands
with more than a dozen filters, while Pipelines specifications are commonly
over 100s of stages, and 1000s of stages are not uncommon.
REXX is the new C.

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Sv: ISPF macro/script

[Lars Höglund]

Look at Marc Zelden's EDMACALL
//Lasse

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Ämne: Re: ISPF macro/script

You have these options:
1 - Select the member manually, and invoke your REXX edit macro.
2 - Write another module the invokes the edit service in the library and 
member, and runs the edit macro.
3 - Write one dual mode module.  I do not recommend this.

Edit commands are only valid in REXX EXECs that have issued ADDRESS ISREDIT 
MACRO which establishes the edit macro environment.

I would Google "ispf edit macro example".

On Monday, February 6, 2023, Radoslaw Skorupka < 
0471ebeac275-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> To be honest ISPF & REXX is not my strong point.
>
> I need the following:
> From PDS(E) member list I type my CMD1, hit ENTER - to start the REXX 
> script.
> The script Select new member (name generated from date+consecutive 
> character), then issue some edit commands, like COPY TEMPLATE to copy 
> some text from the TEMPLATE member.
>
> Any clue?
> Or some similar script to learn by example?
>
> --
> Radoslaw Skorupka
> Lodz, Poland
>
> --
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Q: What do you call the residence of the ungulate with the largest antlers?
A: A moose pad.
:-D
Would you rather pass data in move mode (*nix piping) or locate mode
(Pipes) or via disk (JCL)?  Why do you think you rarely see *nix commands with 
more than a dozen filters, while Pipelines specifications are commonly over 
100s of stages, and 1000s of stages are not uncommon.
REXX is the new C.

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[Lars Höglund]

Or something like this

/*   REXX*/
/*%COPYRIGHT (c) copyright LHKAB */
/*   */
/*
  REXXNAME   :  MACONALL
  System :  ISPF
  Written:  2014-03
  By :  Lars Höglund Konsult AB 
(www.lhkab.com)
  Function   :  Edit, with a macro, all members in a PDS
allocated to ddname=PDS

  Related object
  - panel:  -
  - msg  :  -
  - exec :  -
  - skels:  -
  - pgm  :  -

 H I S T O R Y
 -
 20xx-xx-xx whowhat

*/
  trace o

  signal on syntax/* trap rexx syntax errors */
  signal on novalue   /* trap unititalized variables */
  signal off error/* handle positive rc command failures in code */
  signal off failure  /* handle negative rc command failures in code */
  signal off halt  /* allow normal hi/he termination */

  parse upper arg parms

  call B_initialize

  if maconall_rc = 0 then
 call C_mainline

  call X_cleanup

  return maconall_rc

B_initialize :
/*---*/
/* Init  */
/*---*/

  parse source rxenv rxinv me rxdd rxdsn rxname rxhost rxaspc .

  false = 0
  true  = 1

  maconall_rc = 0

  call BZ_create_messages

  call Y_log_process left('-',60,'-')
  call Y_log_process MSG.log_start
  call Y_log_process ''

  parse var parms parm_macro  .
  editmac = strip(parm_macro)

  call Y_log_process MSG.log_parm
  call Y_log_process 'Macro..:' editmac
  call Y_log_process ''

  return

BZ_create_messages :
BZ_create_messages :
/*---*/
/* Create errormessages  */
/*---*/

  log_start = 1
  MSG.log_start = center('Program' me 'starts',60)

  log_parm = 2
  txt = 'S u p p l i e d   P a r a m e t e r s'
  MSG.log_parm  = txt

  log_end = 99
  MSG.log_end   = center('Program' me 'ends',60)

  contact = 'ISPF Administrator'
  terminate = center('** T e r m i n a t i n g **',60)

  return

C_mainline :
/*---*/
/* Mainline  */
/*---*/

  address "ISPEXEC" "LMINIT DATAID(DID1) DDNAME(PDS)"
  address "ISPEXEC" "LMOPEN DATAID("did1")"
  membvar = ' '
  do until rc > 0
 address "ISPEXEC" "LMMLIST",
   "DATAID("did1")",
   "OPTION(LIST)",
   "MEMBER(MEMBVAR)",
   "STATS(YES)"
 if rc > 0 then
leave
 if membvar <> 'ÅÅSETUP' then
do
 address "ISPEXEC" "EDIT",
   "DATAID("did1")",
   "MEMBER("membvar")",
   "MACRO("editmac")"
end
  end /*do until rc > 0*/

  address "ISPEXEC" "LMMLIST DATAID("did1") OPTION(FREE)"
  address "ISPEXEC" "LMFREE DATAID("did1")"

  return

X_cleanup :
/*---*/
/* cleanup   */
/*---*/

  if maconall_rc > 4 then
 call Z_error ''

  return

Y_log_process :
/*---*/
/* Displaying processing status  */
/*---*/
  parse arg text

  say time() left(text,60) me

  do forever
 text = delstr(text,1,60)
 if text = '' then
leave
 say time() left(text,60) me
  end /*do forever*/

  return

Z_error :
/*---*/
/* Errormessage  */
/*---*/
  parse arg etext

  if etext > ' ' then
 do
  call Y_log_process left('-',60,'-')
  call Y_log_process etext
  call Y_log_process left('-',60,'-')
 end

  call Y_log_process left('-',60,'-')
  call Y_log_process terminate
  call Y_log_process left('-',60,'-')

  exit 8

/*/
/*   */
/* Rexx Error Handling Common Routines   */
/*   */
/*/

syntax:  /* Signal ON SYNTAX Entry Point */
novalue:/* Signal ON NOVALUE Entry Point */
error:/* Signal ON ERROR Entry Point */
failure:/* Signal ON FAILURE Entry Point */
halt:  /* Signal ON HALT Entry Point */
  trace o  /* turn trace off */
  parse source . . me .
  signal off novalu

Re: ISPF macro/script

[Bob Bridges]

I think there's a misunderstanding about "selecting" the member.  If I read 
Radek correctly, the program is to pick out a name that does ~not~ refer to an 
already existing member, and use that for the output.  That's not hard; the 
member name will be "" where  is a constant,  is 
today's date and  is some character that the program will increment until it 
finds a name that isn't already being used.

That can be a subroutine, to be called and used for output after the output has 
been prepared.

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Hobart Spitz
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2023 21:19

You have these options:
1 - Select the member manually, and invoke your REXX edit macro.
2 - Write another module the invokes the edit service in the library and 
member, and runs the edit macro.
3 - Write one dual mode module.  I do not recommend this.

Edit commands are only valid in REXX EXECs that have issued ADDRESS ISREDIT 
MACRO which establishes the edit macro environment.

I would Google "ispf edit macro example".

--- On Monday, February 6, 2023, Radoslaw Skorupka < 
0471ebeac275-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> To be honest ISPF & REXX is not my strong point.
>
> I need the following:
> From PDS(E) member list I type my CMD1, hit ENTER - to start the REXX 
> script.
> The script Select new member (name generated from date+consecutive 
> character), then issue some edit commands, like COPY TEMPLATE to copy 
> some text from the TEMPLATE member.
>
> Any clue?
> Or some similar script to learn by example?

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