Re: [Health-dev] Androit application for Gnu Health
On 09/12/14 11:02, Luis Falcon wrote: Hi Oscar and team ! On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 12:34:05 -0500 Oscar Alvarez wrote: On 08/12/14 04:35, Luis Falcon wrote: Hi Chris ! On Sun, 7 Dec 2014 19:49:00 -0800 Chris wrote: I think there are reasons to develop both. With good, robust design (like with Bootstrap), webapp UX on a mobile device is great, so the flask-tryton is awesome (and the other flask addons that make UX/webapp design easy). However, there are some bonuses to an Android app. For example, asynchronous interactions (e.g., poor-connectivity environments) is somewhat easier, I think, to develop in Android. Nevertheless, got an Android developer on hand? I think an Android app would be great then. =-) Why limits this development to Android? I agree, we can have more than one mobile environment, but at the moment Mohamed has volunteered to do the development in Android, so I am very happy and grateful. So, then he can to continue the development of Tryton Android Client [1], it seems abandoned. [1] https://projects.bioecoforests.com/projects/tryton-android But, I agree with Cedk, after to analize better this topic and to do my research, I think that a cross-platform phone client with html5 + css + javascript is more flexible, and maybe more contributors join us, instead alone developer. I found Cordova Apache [2] seems good platform, for start. [2] http://cordova.apache.org/ Remember this... many Hospital / Health Center managers and medical doctors don't have Android, they have iOS;) So then Android client just work in for some employees. That does not mean that we can have one in QT and another in HTML5 . Actually, it would be great ! I believe all will have pros and cons. What I have proposed is to do a POC on vital signs recording. From there we can probably reach an agreement on putting the focus in one to make it the "official" app for GNU Health, but it could be also that we could share the three of them. Best, I propose does not limit to Android App, because it is great efforts take advantage just for one OS (Not all people use Android), I believe that instead App cross-plattform is right way, compatible with Android, Blackberry, IOS, Windows Phone, Sailfish OS, Ubuntu Touch in future :( , today is nice possible with Qt + QML + Javascript (bye, bye slow Java). Remember Qt tagline "Qt is most powerful way to develop cross-plattform mobile apps" [1] and "Write once, compile everywhere." [1] http://www.qt.io/ I am starting private litle project [2] for to create this Qt + Qml + Javascript tryton app client, but is concept proof very raw, raw, raw code. I cannot connect with server still :S, I am Javascript noob [2] https://bitbucket.org/presik/presik_tactic Just thought the same about the connectionless mode :) Best, On 12/07/14, Cédric Krier wrote: On 07 Dec 19:51, Luis Falcon wrote: Dear Mohamed On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 19:51:51 +0100 Mouhamed Moustapha Diouf wrote: Hello, thanks for replying. For sure we can have a long discussion in why android app and not mobile web app. For us it just a matter of ressources. We have hight skilled person for Android so we'll be more effective. Thanks for your positive feedback ! I think it would be great to contribute with a GNU Health app for Android. We've been discussing this for a while, and I came to the conclusion that the best is to have specific tasks views, tailored to those users who would really benefit from it. For instance: - Nurses : Take and record vital signs, roundings, ... - Social workers : Verify the status of Domiciliary Units, So, for example, in the case of vital signs, we would need "big" buttons, simple screens, to make sure there are no typos in the data entry and make it more effective. But it will be more portable to do it with web application instead of relying on a specific platform. -- Cédric Krier - B2CK SPRL Email/Jabber: cedric.kr...@b2ck.com Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Website: http://www.b2ck.com/
Re: [Health-dev] Androit application for Gnu Health
On 08/12/14 15:10, Cédric Krier wrote: On 08 Dec 12:34, Oscar Alvarez wrote: On 08/12/14 04:35, Luis Falcon wrote: Hi Chris ! On Sun, 7 Dec 2014 19:49:00 -0800 Chris wrote: I think there are reasons to develop both. With good, robust design (like with Bootstrap), webapp UX on a mobile device is great, so the flask-tryton is awesome (and the other flask addons that make UX/webapp design easy). However, there are some bonuses to an Android app. For example, asynchronous interactions (e.g., poor-connectivity environments) is somewhat easier, I think, to develop in Android. Nevertheless, got an Android developer on hand? I think an Android app would be great then. =-) Why limits this development to Android? I propose does not limit to Android App, because it is great efforts take advantage just for one OS (Not all people use Android), I believe that instead App cross-plattform is right way, compatible with Android, Blackberry, IOS, Windows Phone, Sailfish OS, Ubuntu Touch in future :( , today is nice possible with Qt + QML + Javascript (bye, bye slow Java). Remember Qt tagline "Qt is most powerful way to develop cross-plattform mobile apps" [1] and "Write once, compile everywhere." [1] http://www.qt.io/ Still HTML5 application is more portable. For example, I can not run your test program on my FirefoxOS while I can run any HTML5 application. And I think FirefoxOS is realy an important target for GNU Healt as it is used for cheap devices [1] [1] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/os/devices/ Yes, you are right html5 is better than Qt, but what do you think about build on Apache Cordova [1]? [1] http://cordova.apache.org/ and I am sure if when you talk about web client is just sao (running inside a web browser), and phones it requires open web browser? or sao is just for desktop web client and using sao base code build phone app?
Re: [Health-dev] Androit application for Gnu Health
On 11 Dec 09:03, Oscar Alvarez wrote: > On 08/12/14 15:10, Cédric Krier wrote: > >Still HTML5 application is more portable. For example, I can not run > >your test program on my FirefoxOS while I can run any HTML5 application. > >And I think FirefoxOS is realy an important target for GNU Healt as it > >is used for cheap devices [1] > > > >[1] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/os/devices/ > Yes, you are right html5 is better than Qt, but what do you think about > build on Apache Cordova [1]? > > [1] http://cordova.apache.org/ I don't know about it but with HTML5 you really not need often something else to build application. Generally, I just use jQuery to hide some bad design of javascript. > and I am sure if when you talk about web client is just sao (running inside > a web browser), and phones it requires open web browser? > > or sao is just for desktop web client and using sao base code build phone > app? sao is designed to be a desktop general purpose client but with this campaign [1] (if it succeeds) sao will have some features to run smoother on small screen. But I still think that specific web application is needed for common tasks. [1] https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/sao-a-beautiful-web-client-for-tryton -- Cédric Krier - B2CK SPRL Email/Jabber: cedric.kr...@b2ck.com Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ pgpQPa0D0oWLC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Health-dev] Androit application for Gnu Health
On 11/12/14 09:45, Cédric Krier wrote: On 11 Dec 09:03, Oscar Alvarez wrote: On 08/12/14 15:10, Cédric Krier wrote: Still HTML5 application is more portable. For example, I can not run your test program on my FirefoxOS while I can run any HTML5 application. And I think FirefoxOS is realy an important target for GNU Healt as it is used for cheap devices [1] [1] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/os/devices/ Yes, you are right html5 is better than Qt, but what do you think about build on Apache Cordova [1]? [1] http://cordova.apache.org/ I don't know about it but with HTML5 you really not need often something else to build application. Generally, I just use jQuery to hide some bad design of javascript. Unfortunately all mobile OS requires build apps with "native" tools, and I think to use web browsers for open application client in phones is very slow (performance), because just browser one eats memory and cpu resources, instead native app made for example with Cordova/Phonegap (pure html5), doesn't require browser opened. I think phone app target isn't initially for tryton users with hard work, instead for managers, ceo, directors or coordinators, mainly it consults records, approbation of records, etc This Apps was made with Phonegap (Cordova Apache), pure html5 http://phonegap.com/app/android/ I think that sao code maybe is useful for starting with Cordova. :) and I am sure if when you talk about web client is just sao (running inside a web browser), and phones it requires open web browser? or sao is just for desktop web client and using sao base code build phone app? sao is designed to be a desktop general purpose client but with this campaign [1] (if it succeeds) sao will have some features to run smoother on small screen. But I still think that specific web application is needed for common tasks. [1] https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/sao-a-beautiful-web-client-for-tryton +1, I hope put me little perk
Re: [Health-dev] Androit application for Gnu Health
+1 from Laos. On Dec 11, 2014 11:28 PM, "Oscar Alvarez" wrote: > > On 11/12/14 09:45, Cédric Krier wrote: > >> On 11 Dec 09:03, Oscar Alvarez wrote: >> >>> On 08/12/14 15:10, Cédric Krier wrote: >>> Still HTML5 application is more portable. For example, I can not run your test program on my FirefoxOS while I can run any HTML5 application. And I think FirefoxOS is realy an important target for GNU Healt as it is used for cheap devices [1] [1] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/os/devices/ >>> Yes, you are right html5 is better than Qt, but what do you think about >>> build on Apache Cordova [1]? >>> >>> [1] http://cordova.apache.org/ >>> >> I don't know about it but with HTML5 you really not need often something >> else to build application. >> Generally, I just use jQuery to hide some bad design of javascript. >> > Unfortunately all mobile OS requires build apps with "native" tools, and I > think to use web browsers for open application client in phones is very > slow (performance), because just browser one eats memory and cpu resources, > instead native app made for example with Cordova/Phonegap (pure html5), > doesn't require browser opened. > > I think phone app target isn't initially for tryton users with hard work, > instead for managers, ceo, directors or coordinators, mainly it consults > records, approbation of records, etc > > This Apps was made with Phonegap (Cordova Apache), pure html5 > > http://phonegap.com/app/android/ > > I think that sao code maybe is useful for starting with Cordova. :) > > and I am sure if when you talk about web client is just sao (running >>> inside >>> a web browser), and phones it requires open web browser? >>> >>> or sao is just for desktop web client and using sao base code build phone >>> app? >>> >> sao is designed to be a desktop general purpose client but with this >> campaign [1] (if it succeeds) sao will have some features to run smoother >> on small screen. But I still think that specific web application is >> needed for common tasks. >> >> [1] >> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/sao-a-beautiful-web-client-for-tryton >> >> +1, I hope put me little perk > >
Re: [Health-dev] Androit application for Gnu Health
On 11 Dec 11:28, Oscar Alvarez wrote: > > On 11/12/14 09:45, Cédric Krier wrote: > >On 11 Dec 09:03, Oscar Alvarez wrote: > >>On 08/12/14 15:10, Cédric Krier wrote: > >>>Still HTML5 application is more portable. For example, I can not run > >>>your test program on my FirefoxOS while I can run any HTML5 application. > >>>And I think FirefoxOS is realy an important target for GNU Healt as it > >>>is used for cheap devices [1] > >>> > >>>[1] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/os/devices/ > >>Yes, you are right html5 is better than Qt, but what do you think about > >>build on Apache Cordova [1]? > >> > >>[1] http://cordova.apache.org/ > >I don't know about it but with HTML5 you really not need often something > >else to build application. > >Generally, I just use jQuery to hide some bad design of javascript. > Unfortunately all mobile OS requires build apps with "native" tools, That's wrong. For example, there is FirefoxOS. And it should also work for Android: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2014/03/better-integration-for-open-web-apps-on-android/ And it seems Mozilla is working with cordova to make it work on iOS: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2013/10/progress-report-on-cross-platform-open-web-apps/ > and I > think to use web browsers for open application client in phones is very slow > (performance), because just browser one eats memory and cpu resources, > instead native app made for example with Cordova/Phonegap (pure html5), > doesn't require browser opened. And what do you think render the HTML5? > I think phone app target isn't initially for tryton users with hard work, > instead for managers, ceo, directors or coordinators, mainly it consults > records, approbation of records, etc > > This Apps was made with Phonegap (Cordova Apache), pure html5 > > http://phonegap.com/app/android/ > > I think that sao code maybe is useful for starting with Cordova. :) I don't think. -- Cédric Krier - B2CK SPRL Email/Jabber: cedric.kr...@b2ck.com Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ pgpfsh7iznFHK.pgp Description: PGP signature
