Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

[Ingo Klöcker]

On Saturday 12 June 2010, Jerry wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:40:28 -0400
> 
> Jean-David Beyer  articulated:
> > I see no way to do that. I have a Reply button and a Reply All
> > button and no others. There is no such button on that screen that
> > allows diddling buttons. Thunderbird 2.0.0.16, which is the latest
> > for Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5.
> 
> Unfortunately, it might prove to be academic anyway. Unlike several
> other lists that I am subscribed to, this mailing list does not use a
> "Reply-To:" in the e-mail headers. It would definitely facilitate
> replying to list mail if the maintainer(s) of this list configured
> the mailer to insert such a header that pointed to this list.

There is such a header:
List-Post: 

Reply-to is intended to be used by the sender to state his preference 
for replies. If he prefers off-list replies then he should set it to his 
address and if he prefers on-list replies then he should set it to the 
mailing list address. (In fact, there's also the Mail-followup-to header 
which is even better suited for this than the Reply-to header.)

IMNSHO, it's not up to the mailing list admins to dictate where replies 
to my posts should go. Therefore, the mailing list software should not 
touch the Reply-to header.


> Conversely, many MUAs support the "reply to list" function that
> should work correctly on this list.

Exactly. It works correctly because those MUAs use the above mentioned 
standardized (RFC 2369) List-Post header.


Regards,
Ingo


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Re: Keyserver spam example

[Jerry]

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On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 07:58:19 -0500
Sonja Michelle Lina Thomas  articulated:

> > I would not trust Google with your data, far less mine. They have
> > all ready been accused of illegally pilfering through user data and
> > mining for user wireless information. I avoid them like the plague
> > whenever possible.  
> 
> Pffft, they can't get to the really important stuff past my tinfoil
> hat!
> 
> And google don't scare me! What I'm really worried about is the MiB.
> That van across the street, he ain't no plumber!!
> 
> I could really use some coffee, but I forgot the combination. :-(
> 
> If couldn't tell by now, I'm being a sarcastic b---h. I get so tired
> of the "tehy're out to get you" gabble people spout on the net.
> 
> EVERY internet provider (AND the zit faced kid next door) has the
> ability to sniff your data and your packets. If I let that stop me
> from using the internet I'd be living in a foil lined airstream up in
> the hills pooping in a dirt hole and eating berries.
> 
> Got any hard data to back up this claim, or are you just basing your
> oogie-boogie stay away on newsgroup, blog rumblings and
> sensationalized ratings focus media hype? I'm sure google just has a
> dedicated team rifling through the millions of gmail user's data
> looking for that ripe piece of information.

Interestingly enough, the first email I read this morning had a link to
this:

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/06/12/2339209/Google-Tells-Congress-It-Disclosed-Wi-Fi-Sniffing

And that is just the tip of the ice burg.

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Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

[Jerry]

On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 11:03:00 +0200
Ingo Klöcker  articulated:


> On Saturday 12 June 2010, Jerry wrote:
> > On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:40:28 -0400
> > 
> > Jean-David Beyer  articulated:
> > > I see no way to do that. I have a Reply button and a Reply All
> > > button and no others. There is no such button on that screen that
> > > allows diddling buttons. Thunderbird 2.0.0.16, which is the latest
> > > for Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, it might prove to be academic anyway. Unlike several
> > other lists that I am subscribed to, this mailing list does not use
> > a "Reply-To:" in the e-mail headers. It would definitely facilitate
> > replying to list mail if the maintainer(s) of this list configured
> > the mailer to insert such a header that pointed to this list.
> 
> There is such a header:
> List-Post: 
> 
> Reply-to is intended to be used by the sender to state his preference 
> for replies. If he prefers off-list replies then he should set it to
> his address and if he prefers on-list replies then he should set it
> to the mailing list address. (In fact, there's also the
> Mail-followup-to header which is even better suited for this than the
> Reply-to header.)

There does not appear to be any universal support for the
"Mail-Followup-To:" header. There was a draft for it:

http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-drums-mail-followup-to-00.txt

however, as far as I know, it was never adopted. RFC 2822 does not
mention it either.

> IMNSHO, it's not up to the mailing list admins to dictate where
> replies to my posts should go. Therefore, the mailing list software
> should not touch the Reply-to header.

Presently, the mailing list manager employed here strips away any
"Reply-to: headers.

> > Conversely, many MUAs support the "reply to list" function that
> > should work correctly on this list.
> 
> Exactly. It works correctly because those MUAs use the above
> mentioned standardized (RFC 2369) List-Post header.


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Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

[Jean-David Beyer]

Ingo Klöcker wrote:
> On Saturday 12 June 2010, Jerry wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:40:28 -0400
>>
>> Jean-David Beyer  articulated:
>>> I see no way to do that. I have a Reply button and a Reply All
>>> button and no others. There is no such button on that screen that
>>> allows diddling buttons. Thunderbird 2.0.0.16, which is the latest
>>> for Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5.
>> Unfortunately, it might prove to be academic anyway. Unlike several
>> other lists that I am subscribed to, this mailing list does not use a
>> "Reply-To:" in the e-mail headers. It would definitely facilitate
>> replying to list mail if the maintainer(s) of this list configured
>> the mailer to insert such a header that pointed to this list.
> 
> There is such a header:
> List-Post: 

So there is.
> 
> Reply-to is intended to be used by the sender to state his preference 
> for replies. If he prefers off-list replies then he should set it to his 
> address and if he prefers on-list replies then he should set it to the 
> mailing list address. (In fact, there's also the Mail-followup-to header 
> which is even better suited for this than the Reply-to header.)
> 
> IMNSHO, it's not up to the mailing list admins to dictate where replies 
> to my posts should go. Therefore, the mailing list software should not 
> touch the Reply-to header.
> 
OK.
> 
>> Conversely, many MUAs support the "reply to list" function that
>> should work correctly on this list.

Perhaps so, but my Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 dies not, and it is the latest
version available in .rpm for my distribution (RHEL 5.5). I hear
Thunderbird 3 does have something like this.
> 
> Exactly. It works correctly because those MUAs use the above mentioned 
> standardized (RFC 2369) List-Post header.


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Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

[Ingo Klöcker]

On Sunday 13 June 2010, Jean-David Beyer wrote:
> Ingo Klöcker wrote:
> > On Saturday 12 June 2010, Jerry wrote:
> >> Conversely, many MUAs support the "reply to list" function that
> >> should work correctly on this list.
> 
> Perhaps so, but my Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 dies not, and it is the
> latest version available in .rpm for my distribution (RHEL 5.5). I
> hear Thunderbird 3 does have something like this.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/4455/


Regards,
Ingo


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Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

[Jean-David Beyer]

Ingo Klöcker wrote:
> On Sunday 13 June 2010, Jean-David Beyer wrote:
>> Ingo Klöcker wrote:
>>> On Saturday 12 June 2010, Jerry wrote:
 Conversely, many MUAs support the "reply to list" function that
 should work correctly on this list.
>> Perhaps so, but my Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 dies not, and it is the
>> latest version available in .rpm for my distribution (RHEL 5.5). I
>> hear Thunderbird 3 does have something like this.
> 
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/4455/
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Ingo
> 
> 
Thank you. It works. I used it on this e-mail.
It takes time, though. When I pressed Reply-List, it first put your
personal e-mail address in the To: field and only later did it change it
to the list itself.

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[OT] Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

[MFPA]

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Hi


On Sunday 13 June 2010 at 10:03:00 AM, in
, Ingo Klöcker wrote:


> IMNSHO, it's not up to the mailing list admins to
> dictate where replies to my posts should go. Therefore,
> the mailing list software should not touch the Reply-to
> header.

As far as I know, this is the only list I have ever subscribed to that
does not set a reply-to header to the list address. I'm not saying it
is "right" or "wrong," just unique in my experience.

The admins don't "dictate" where replies go: the person replying does
whatever they want. However, I would suggest that it *is* perfectly
proper for the admins of any list to set headers that encourage
posters (or their email software) to follow the etiquette of that
group. In the case of GnuPG-users, that would perhaps be a reply-to
header containing both the list address and the senders address.

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Re: Test mail to ...

[Road Runner]

On 2010-06-11 09:38, Werner Koch wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> One of the subscribers to this list created a mail forward to an
> automated ticketing system which responds to the the poster.  The
> owner of the ticketing system at secure.mpcustomer.com does not
> respond to any of our queries to send us more information on the mails
> triggering the posting.  Thus we need to send these test mails in the
> hope to figure out the culprit.
> 
> Sorry for the inconvenience,
> 
>   Werner

Like the others I'm living too.

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Re: Keyserver spam example

[Sonja Michelle Lina Thomas]

> Interestingly enough, the first email I read this morning had a link to
> this:
>
>
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/06/12/2339209/Google-Tells-Congress-It-Disclosed-Wi-Fi-Sniffing
>
> And that is just the tip of the ice burg.
>
> --
> Jerry


OMG!! Google is stealing and archiving pictures of my dopey cat doing
stupid stuff!!!

OH KNOW!! Google now knows I have a hair appointment on Thursday all
because I use google calendar.

What am I going to do My privacy has been invaded!!! I feel so
violated!

Seriously, if it's personal and you don't want to take the risk of
someone knowing about it, don't put it on the internet in the first place.

And if you have to put it on the net or transmit it to a friend, encrypt
it. I mean you ARE a GPG user, right?

As far as google running around with a Wifi enabled car snagging data
from unsecured access points, it's the end users own damn fault for
blindly buying an AP and just slapping it on their network.

I'm not that paranoid that I loose sleep over the possibility that
google may be archiving pictures of my cat, the occasional dirty joke
and a few "Hi Mom, we're doing great here, how are y'all?" emails. All
my important stuff is on my PC on an encrypted hdd behind a router using
two tiered encryption and a 25+ character passkey. And anything that is
REALLY personal and SECRET is stuffed in a case hidden in my home under
lock and key. And if it's damaging and detrimental to my character or
freedom, it's only exists in my own head as a memory.

I mean I've got better things to turn my attention to, like trying to
finalize the processing and paper work to get my $59 million Nigerian
nairas that my dead rich uncle (who I didn't realize I had) from the
International Bank of Abuja. Just gotta run to the bank tomorrow and get
that $2500 cashiers check for the processing and duty fees. Then I'll be
on easy street!!!

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dressed like a hound."


On 6/13/2010 5:22, Jerry wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 07:58:19 -0500
> Sonja Michelle Lina Thomas  articulated:
> 
>>> I would not trust Google with your data, far less mine. They have
>>> all ready been accused of illegally pilfering through user data and
>>> mining for user wireless information. I avoid them like the plague
>>> whenever possible.  
> 
>> Pffft, they can't get to the really important stuff past my tinfoil
>> hat!
> 
>> And google don't scare me! What I'm really worried about is the MiB.
>> That van across the street, he ain't no plumber!!
> 
>> I could really use some coffee, but I forgot the combination. :-(
> 
>> If couldn't tell by now, I'm being a sarcastic b---h. I get so tired
>> of the "tehy're out to get you" gabble people spout on the net.
> 
>> EVERY internet provider (AND the zit faced kid next door) has the
>> ability to sniff your data and your packets. If I let that stop me
>> from using the internet I'd be living in a foil lined airstream up in
>> the hills pooping in a dirt hole and eating berries.
> 
>> Got any hard data to back up this claim, or are you just basing your
>> oogie-boogie stay away on newsgroup, blog rumblings and
>> sensationalized ratings focus media hype? I'm sure google just has a
>> dedicated team rifling through the millions of gmail user's data
>> looking for that ripe piece of information.
> 
> Interestingly enough, the first email I read this morning had a link to
> this:
> 
> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/06/12/2339209/Google-Tells-Congress-It-Disclosed-Wi-Fi-Sniffing
> 
> And that is just the tip of the ice burg.
> 
> -- 
> Jerry
> gnupg.u...@seibercom.net
> 
> Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored.
> Please do not ignore the Reply-To header.
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> 
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Was I suppose to reply to the email titled with my email?

[Jeff Sadowski]

I read it but didn't see that I had to do anything. Did I read it
wrong seems a lot of people replied to theirs.

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Re: [OT] Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

[Ingo Klöcker]

On Sunday 13 June 2010, MFPA wrote:
> Hi
> 
> 
> On Sunday 13 June 2010 at 10:03:00 AM, in
> , Ingo Klöcker wrote:
> > IMNSHO, it's not up to the mailing list admins to
> > dictate where replies to my posts should go. Therefore,
> > the mailing list software should not touch the Reply-to
> > header.
> 
> As far as I know, this is the only list I have ever subscribed to
> that does not set a reply-to header to the list address. I'm not
> saying it is "right" or "wrong," just unique in my experience.
> 
> The admins don't "dictate" where replies go: the person replying does
> whatever they want.

True. But to do so the person replying has to decide whatever they want 
(reply to author or reply to list or reply to both). Also, not all MUAs 
make it easy to choose between reply to author or reply to list or reply 
to both. I'm not sure what the conclusion is. I guess the only sensible 
conclusion is using a decent MUA which gives the replier the choice. 
Optimizing the mailing list for crappy MUAs is just as wrong as 
optimizing web pages for crappy browsers.


> However, I would suggest that it *is* perfectly
> proper for the admins of any list to set headers that encourage
> posters (or their email software) to follow the etiquette of that
> group. In the case of GnuPG-users, that would perhaps be a reply-to
> header containing both the list address and the senders address.

Hmm, I never read anywhere that this would be the etiquette of this 
group. It's certainly not mentioned on the listinfo page of gnupg-users. 
Also, most people seem to reply to list only.


Regards,
Ingo


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Keys substitution

[Filippo Valsorda]

Hi, i created a keyring a couple of years ago without any serious
intent. I kept my keys "not so secure".

Now i want to restart, without changing ID, as i am always the same
person, but revoking all from the past.
What have I to do?
Thanks a lot


sec   1024D/01A82A13 2008-09-21
uid  Filippo V 
uid  FiloSottile (Work and spam e-mail)

ssb   2048R/19755070 2009-07-31

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Re: [OT] Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

[Jerry]

On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:12:54 +0200
Ingo Klöcker  articulated:


> Hmm, I never read anywhere that this would be the etiquette of this 
> group. It's certainly not mentioned on the listinfo page of
> gnupg-users. Also, most people seem to reply to list only.

While it would appear that most users direct their replies back to the
list, there are a few morons who feel it is their sworn duty to CC: the
OP. It gets worse; another user unintentionally replies to just such a
message with the unwanted CC: intact. Now the OP starts receiving a
chain of unwanted e-mails.

While it is certainly possible to filter out just such nonsense, and
personally I feel that reporting it as SPAM since it effective is,
doing so would probably not bode well for the list's reputation..

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Re: Keys substitution

[Charly Avital]

Filippo Valsorda wrote the following on 6/13/10 12:34 PM:
> Hi, i created a keyring a couple of years ago without any serious
> intent. I kept my keys "not so secure".
> 
> Now i want to restart, without changing ID, as i am always the same
> person, but revoking all from the past.
> What have I to do?
> Thanks a lot
> 
> 
> sec   1024D/01A82A13 2008-09-21
> uid  Filippo V 
> uid  FiloSottile (Work and spam e-mail)
> 
> ssb   2048R/19755070 2009-07-31
> 

This is what I get:

-
pub  1024D/01A82A13  created: 2008-09-21  expires: never   usage: SCA
 trust: unknown   validity: unknown
sub  2048R/19755070  created: 2009-07-31  expires: never   usage: E
This key was revoked on 2009-07-31 by DSA key 01A82A13 FiloSottile (Work
and spam e-mail) 
sub  2048g/E159FB03  created: 2008-09-21  revoked: 2009-07-31  usage: E
[ unknown] (1). FiloSottile (Work and spam e-mail)

[ unknown] (2)  Filippo V 
-

It seems that "all from the past" has already been revoked (by you,
hopefully).
I suggest that you generate a new key pair, with a good passphrase,
generate the corresponding revocation certificate (that you will store
in a secure place), and upload your new public key to a keyserver.

Good luck.
Charly


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Re: Was I suppose to reply to the email titled with my email?

[MFPA]

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Hi


On Sunday 13 June 2010 at 6:01:34 PM, in
,
Jeff Sadowski wrote:


> I read it but didn't see that I had to do anything. Did
> I read it wrong seems a lot of people replied to
> theirs.

I refer you to Werner's later post, after people started replying to
them. Subject: "FYI: About my test mails"

On Friday 11 June 2010 at 11:15:32 AM, in
, Werner Koch wrote:


> Hi,

> a few hours ago I sent test mails to each subscribed
> user.  The mails should look like regular mailing list
> mail but with your address also in the subject.  This
> is a try to figure out who forwards postings to an
> automated systems which in turn spams the original
> poster.

> Please ignore these mails - there is no need to
> respond.


Werner later posted that he had found the culprit, unsubscribed the
address and banned it from further subscriptions.

The culprit address was  was supp...@resell.biz - I am amused to find
that http://resell.biz/ claims to have "friendly, responsive customer
support!" (-;


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Re: [OT] Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

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Hi


On Sunday 13 June 2010 at 7:37:33 PM, in
, Jerry wrote:


> While it would appear that most users direct their
> replies back to the list, there are a few morons who
> feel it is their sworn duty to CC: the OP.

After my first few postings to this list, I received a complaint from
somebody whose post I replied to, for not copying my replies directly
to the OP. I amended my reply template to do so, and have received no
complaint since.



> It gets
> worse; another user unintentionally replies to just
> such a message with the unwanted CC: intact. Now the OP
> starts receiving a chain of unwanted e-mails.

I guess nobody has done that when replying to me, since I've
experienced no such chain.



> While it is certainly possible to filter out just such
> nonsense, and personally I feel that reporting it as
> SPAM since it effective is, doing so would probably not
> bode well for the list's reputation..

SPAM (in capital letters) is a canned precooked meat product made by
the Hormel Foods Corporation. (-;



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Re: [OT] Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

[Sonja Michelle Lina Thomas]

>
> SPAM (in capital letters) is a canned precooked meat product made by
> the Hormel Foods Corporation. (-;
>

Which is pretty good when sliced thin, pan fried and put on a toasted
English muffin with spicy mustard!

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On 6/13/2010 19:07, MFPA wrote:
> Hi
> 
> 
> On Sunday 13 June 2010 at 7:37:33 PM, in
> , Jerry wrote:
> 
> 
>> While it would appear that most users direct their
>> replies back to the list, there are a few morons who
>> feel it is their sworn duty to CC: the OP.
> 
> After my first few postings to this list, I received a complaint from
> somebody whose post I replied to, for not copying my replies directly
> to the OP. I amended my reply template to do so, and have received no
> complaint since.
> 
> 
> 
>> It gets
>> worse; another user unintentionally replies to just
>> such a message with the unwanted CC: intact. Now the OP
>> starts receiving a chain of unwanted e-mails.
> 
> I guess nobody has done that when replying to me, since I've
> experienced no such chain.
> 
> 
> 
>> While it is certainly possible to filter out just such
>> nonsense, and personally I feel that reporting it as
>> SPAM since it effective is, doing so would probably not
>> bode well for the list's reputation..
> 
> SPAM (in capital letters) is a canned precooked meat product made by
> the Hormel Foods Corporation. (-;
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com
> 
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Re: [OT] Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

[MFPA]

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Hi


On Sunday 13 June 2010 at 6:12:54 PM, in
, Ingo Klöcker wrote:


> Hmm, I never read anywhere that this would be the
> etiquette of this  group. It's certainly not mentioned
> on the listinfo page of gnupg-users. Also, most people
> seem to reply to list only.

When I first posted here, I wondered why I kept getting copies of
replies to my posts sent directly to my address as well as via the
list. Soon, somebody corrected me for not copying them in on my reply
to their post as well as sending it to the list. They told me that was
the etiquette here. Since my experience at the time supported that
statement, I duly set up my reply template to do just that. I can't
remember who that was, and probably no longer have a copy of the
message.

I still often receive copies of replies to my posts directly as well
as via the list; sometimes both addresses are in the "to" field, but
more often one or other is a "cc." I still have my reply template set
up to do the same.


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libassuan dependency mismatch with gnupg 2.0.15 and dirmngr

[Doug Barton]

Howdy,

Working on updating gnupg in FreeBSD and ran into a problem. GnuPG 
2.0.15 requires libassuan 2.0.0, but to build the gpgsm module it 
requires dirmngr, which requires libassuan 1.x. My understanding is that 
there is a dirmngr update planned 
(http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-devel/2010-March/025565.html) is 
there any progress on that?


My temporary solution has been to create a libassuan-1 port for the 
things that depend on it, update the libassuan port to 2.0.0, and update 
gnupg without the option to build gpgsm, but these are all kludges I'd 
like to avoid.



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