Re: [GNC] Change account in Transfer column - how?

[davidcousens49]

Chris,

The behaviour of the account selection in the transfer column in GC 4.10 on
Linux Mint is as follows:

When you first click on the split of the transaction a down arrow appears at thr
right of the column.

If you click on the down arrow, the list of transaction is displayed and its
window overlays the transfer debit,credit and balance columns and the column
borders are no longer present and there is a scroll bar to the right which you
can use to scroll through the accounts. 

The arrow to the right will now appear as an up arrow and clicking on it will
close the account selection window without making a selection.

At this point, if you click on one of the entries in this window, it will become
the transfer account for the transaction and the account and  selection window
will close and that selection will be shown in the transfer entry.  

I use a dark theme on my desktop and in GnuCash normally and at first glance, it
is very difficult to tell the difference between the account selection pop-up
and the window behind it in that theme.
I'm not sure whether it is more distinguishable in the normal GnuCash default
colour scheme  as if I change the preference the popup still comes up in the
dark theme. I don't know if it is possible in GTK but maybe a border or border
of a different colour or slightly different background colour may be of
assistance to emphasize which window is the popup as it overlays the last 4
columns exactly.

Hope this helps clarifies how the window works. I don't remember any problems
with this when i was using GC4.4. Can you confirm if you get it to work this way
and if my experience is general I will update the help on the window to make it
clearer

David Cousens 

On Tue, 2022-05-03 at 15:41 +0100, Chris Green wrote:
> On Tue, May 03, 2022 at 02:24:52PM +, Gyle McCollam wrote:
> >Chris,
> > 
> >Yes, you can.  On my GnuCash, if you click on the "^" (actually it
> >points down) you get the chart of accounts from which you can choose a
> >different account.  It's worked that way as long as I can remember, but
> >I will say that I am using windows 11 and GnuCash 4.10.
> > 
> I thought so, it's a bug that I have reported before (27 Nov 2021).
> When I click on the arrow-up or arrow-down nothing happens.
> 
> My original problem (in November 2021) was that I didn't get the list
> of accounts to select from when entering a new tranaction:-
> 
> I've probably doing something silly somewhere but I can't spot what it
> is at the moment.
> 
> While entering transactions into GnuCash today it sometimes offers no
> account in the 'Transfer' column so anything I do ends up in an
> 'Imbalance' account.
> 
> The up arrow and down arrow do nothing when it's in this state.
> 
> The issue comes and goes and I can't see any pattern to it, I've never
> seen this problem before though.
> 
> I'm running GnuCash version 4.4 on xubuntu Linux version 21.10.
> 
> 
> 
> What I am seeing now is essentially the same problem, the drop-down
> list (or up) of accounts doesn't appear.
> 
> 

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Re: [GNC] Change account in Transfer column - how?

[davidcousens49]

Chris,
You have created a chart of accounts which has more than a single account in it?
One other point. Do you have the View->Autosplit ledger option checked. IF you
do then the first line is the transaction summary line and it remains balnk
until you create the transaction splits. You have to move to the second line to
enter the first account for the split and then tab to the third line to enter
the account for the second split second split for the transaction.

David

On Wed, 2022-05-04 at 09:04 +0100, Chris Green wrote:
> On Wed, May 04, 2022 at 06:55:05AM +1000, davidcousen...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Chris,
> > 
> > The behaviour of the account selection in the transfer column in GC 4.10 on
> > Linux Mint is as follows:
> > 
> > When you first click on the split of the transaction a down arrow appears at
> > thr
> > right of the column.
> > 
> > If you click on the down arrow, the list of transaction is displayed and its
> > window overlays the transfer debit,credit and balance columns and the column
> > borders are no longer present and there is a scroll bar to the right which
> > you
> > can use to scroll through the accounts. 
> > 
> I get the down arrow but no list of accounts, no scroll bar, nothing.
> Occasionally it works but, just at the moment, not very often.
> 
> 
> > The arrow to the right will now appear as an up arrow and clicking on it
> > will
> > close the account selection window without making a selection.
> > 
> I get the change to the up arrow, but (as I said) there's no list to
> be closed.
> 

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Re: [GNC] QFX file for Bank of American business account not

[davidcousens49]

The other possibility if libofx supports the credit card tags  would be to give
users the option of having the different card numbers recognized as subaccounts
of the main credit card account .  If libofx doesn't support it it is unlikely
much can be done other than raising it as an issue with the libofx developer(s).
Once it is in libofx then GnuCash can be modified to recognize the situation.

David Cousens

On Wed, 2022-05-04 at 20:01 -0500, David Carlson wrote:
> Perhaps there should be a GnuCash error message if libofx fails.
> 
> On Wed, May 4, 2022, 4:41 PM Jean Laroche  wrote:
> 
> > Don't know if my last messages went through. Here they are again:
> > 
> > Running gnucash with --debug shows what the issue is.
> > 
> > Removing the lines that contain the CARDNUM, CARDNAME and MCC elements
> > makes the file import correctly.
> > I'm not sure why ofxlib does not just ignore the unrecognized elements,
> > but that's the way it is.
> > Perhaps file a bug with libofx?
> > 
> > In the meantime, if you're on a linux box or a mac and you're familiar
> > with linux commands, you can use the command line to strip the ofx file
> > from the offending lines using sed, for example on the mac:
> > 
> > cat stmt.qfx | sed -E "/ stmt_fixed.qfx
> > 
> > I'm not a sed guru, so maybe there's a better/more robust way to do it.
> > But this should give you a temporary solution?
> > 
> > Jean
> > 
> > LibOFX ERROR: OpenSP parser: otherError (misc parse error):
> > /var/folders/j6/7t8sg1vj4q97zhh9z5cdmxbm4rz935/T//libofxtmpcNQLhJ:39:13:E:
> > element "CARDNUM" undefined
> > 
> > (Above message occurred on Line 39, Column 14)
> >   X ERROR: startElement: incoming_data should be empty! You are
> > probably using OpenSP <= 1.3.4.  The following data was lost: -50.00
> > (Above message occurred on Line 39, Column 6)
> > LibOFX ERROR: OpenSP parser: otherError (misc parse error):
> > /var/folders/j6/7t8sg1vj4q97zhh9z5cdmxbm4rz935/T//libofxtmpcNQLhJ:40:14:E:
> > element "CARDNAME" undefined
> > 
> > (Above message occurred on Line 40, Column 15)
> >   X ERROR: startElement: incoming_data should be empty! You are
> > probably using OpenSP <= 1.3.4.  The following data was lost: 9767
> > (Above message occurred on Line 40, Column 6)
> > LibOFX ERROR: OpenSP parser: otherError (misc parse error):
> > /var/folders/j6/7t8sg1vj4q97zhh9z5cdmxbm4rz935/T//libofxtmpcNQLhJ:41:9:E:
> > element "MCC" undefined
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 5/4/22 2:24 PM, Kalpesh Patel wrote:
> > > I did experimented with the file he has attached and I can concur that
> > OFX
> > > matcher is bailing out, or more likely silently exiting as if it was NOP.
> > > This is most likely an OFX import bug.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > If you start a fresh new file with just the 'Common Accounts' and then
> > > import the ofx file that was originally attached to the e-mail, GNC 4.10
> > on
> > > Windows 10 prompts to create a new account which it does with 'Unknown
> > OFX
> > > credit card account "Credit card 4003901016729673"' account name and then
> > > there is no subsequent dialogue box to import the single transaction
> > that is
> > > in that file. It exit with the effect that you cancelled the import after
> > > creating the account. If I reimport the file again then there is nothing
> > > displayed, -- nothing;  nada --,  such as error messages or the
> > notification
> > > windows that one transaction was found and that it was a duplicate. It
> > once
> > > again simply silently exits and goes back if like no "import" was
> > performed
> > > at all or cancelled. I don't see the transaction getting added to the
> > > register either.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Message: 12
> > > 
> > > Date: Wed, 4 May 2022 03:25:25 +
> > > 
> > > From: Peter Wu mailto:peter_cd...@hotmail.com>
> > > 
> > > 
> > > To: "gnucash-user@gnucash.org  "
> > > mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org> >
> > > 
> > > Subject: [GNC] QFX file for Bank of American business account not
> > > 
> > >  invoking Import Matcher
> > > 
> > > Message-ID:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> >  > > OM
> > >  > dm8p221mb05727f95859d29b4d429f0a4c2...@dm8p221mb0572.namp221.prod.ou
> > > TLOOK.COM> >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > Gnucash community.  Hope everyone is doing well and having a good time.
> > Two
> > > questions:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >1.  Beside the mailing-list.  Does anyone know a forum where we can
> > ask
> > > and discuss issues?  I feel it may be easier to search/discuss/answer
> > > questions than a mailing list.
> > > 
> > >2.  As the email subject says.  Attached qfx file does not work.  I
> > have
> > > personal Bank of American checking and credit card.  They all work.  I
> > > downloaded the file by using the ?Web Connect for Quicken 2018

Re: [GNC] How to copy a GnuCash 'installation'?

[davidcousens49]

Chris

https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Configuration_Locations
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-guide/basics-migrate-settings.html
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/User_Configuration_Files

David Cousens

On Fri, 2022-05-06 at 18:58 +0100, Chris Green wrote:
> If one wants to copy a GnuCash 'installation' from one place to
> another, in particular from one computer to another what needs to be
> copied?  I'm really only interested in copying from one Linux system
> to another, both running the same GnuCash version.
> 
> Obviously one needs to copy:-
> 
> The GnuCash 'data' file, either XML or sql
> 
> Any log files (though not strictly necessary I guess)
> 
> However there are other files one needs to copy if you want reports
> and screen layout and things like that to be the same.  Is this
> documented anywhere?
> 
> I'm particularly interested in copying reports across as I run GnuCash
> on both my desktop machine and my laptop.  Just copying the GnuCash
> data file means that I get the same accounts on both systems but not
> reports and connected files ('experimental' CSS for reports, that sort
> of thing).
> 

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Re: [GNC] QIF import error

[davidcousens49]

Shaun,

The android GnuCash app is not a part of the GnuCash application which is a 
desktop app. I don't know if it is still being supported by its original 
developer but it AFAIK was a totally separate development in Java. 
The QIF format is defined in the following web pages to the extent it is defined
at all  
https://www.respmech.com/mym2qifw/qif_new.htm#:~:text=A%3A%20The%20Quicken%20interchange%20format,that%20supports%20the%20QIF%20format
 and possible more definitively by W3 
https://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/qif-doc/QIF-doc.htm or 
http://moneymvps.org/articles/qifspecification.aspx. There is no standardized
format defined by and maintained by any organization.

David Cousens


On Fri, 2022-05-06 at 16:15 +, Shaun Parsons wrote:
> Hi
> I have recently come across GnuCash which I have installed on my Samsung J6
> android phone.
> 
> I am trying to sync transactions between my Quicken 2016 install on my Windows
> 11 desktop with GnuCash on my android device using an exported QIF file. Each
> time I attempt to import the file I get the following error
> 
> “An error occurred while importing the GnuCash accounts at line 1, column 0:
> not well-formatted (invalid token)”
> 
> I am unable to find an example of a valid example of a file that works?
> 
> The first few lines are
> 
> !Option:AutoSwitch
> !Account
> NLloyds Linda ISA (Cash)
> TBank
> ^
> 
> I have tried removing the !option:AutoSwitch which makes no difference.
> 
> Long term I am trying to write a vbnet app to massarge the qif files to the
> correct format, any clues what I am missing?
> 
> Regards Shaun Parsons
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows
> 
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Re: [GNC] QIF import error

[davidcousens49]

Adrien,

There is a bit of recent correspondence on the github site with a possible new
project manager interested. I gather the main problem is in getting Ngewi Fet
the original developer to communicate/cooperate/hand over the reins on the
project to allow that to happen.

David Cousens


On Fri, 2022-05-06 at 22:19 -0500, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> GnuCash for Android is a separate project.
> 
> Last I heard, it isn't even an active one. (no commits since mid-2018)
> 
> You can try their GitHub page: https://github.com/codinguser/gnucash-android
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 5/6/22 11:15 AM, Shaun Parsons wrote:
> > Hi
> > I have recently come across GnuCash which I have installed on my Samsung J6
> > android phone.
> > 
> > I am trying to sync transactions between my Quicken 2016 install on my
> > Windows 11 desktop with GnuCash on my android device using an exported QIF
> > file. Each time I attempt to import the file I get the following error
> > 
> > “An error occurred while importing the GnuCash accounts at line 1, column 0:
> > not well-formatted (invalid token)”
> > 
> > I am unable to find an example of a valid example of a file that works?
> > 
> > The first few lines are
> > 
> > !Option:AutoSwitch
> > !Account
> > NLloyds Linda ISA (Cash)
> > TBank
> > ^
> > 
> > I have tried removing the !option:AutoSwitch which makes no difference.
> > 
> > Long term I am trying to write a vbnet app to massarge the qif files to the
> > correct format, any clues what I am missing?
> 
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Re: [GNC] Fwd: Double entry directly to Equity

[davidcousens49]

Bogdan,

This Investopedia page (
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/revaluationreserves.asp#:~:text=Revaluation%20reserve%20is%20an%20accounting,of%20the%20asset%20has%20changed
.) might provide some insights into how to setup revaluation reserves. My
reading of this is that the Reserve account is a contra account to the asset
value and it is recorded against a specific Expense account to account for short
term variations in the asset value.  Find the section on recording revaluation
reserves a bit down the page.  Most jurisdictions don't tax unrealized gains or
give you exemptions for unrealized losses, so you would likely want to record it
under an Expense account category for non-deductible expenses.  

You should seek specific accounting advice from a qualified accountant for your
jurisdiction and specific situation and not rely on this

David Cousens


On Sat, 2022-05-07 at 17:55 +0200, Bogdan wrote:
> Any suggestions there?
> 
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Bogdan 
> Date: Wed, May 4, 2022, 12:04
> Subject: Double entry directly to Equity
> To: 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am trying to figure out how to set up a  revaluation reserve account
> directly in Equity so that I could do e.g. Dr Asset a/c Cr Equity.
> 
> About a year ago I was able to create an account in Trading and debit /
> credit it directly from Asset and Liability accounts. However, now when I
> enter a similar transaction the Trading account (second leg of the entry)
> simply disappears and is replaced by Imbalance.
> 
> What is the appropriate way to make accounting entries directly to Equity
> accounts (not retained earnings through PL)? Any idea why the above
> approach no longer works?
> 
> Thanks!
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Re: [GNC] Fwd: Double entry directly to Equity

[davidcousens49]

Bogdan

That's easy. In the Accounts Tab, right click on the top level Equity account to
select it and then right click anywhere in the pane and select New Account from
the popup menu  or use Actions->New Account from the mainmenu. This should start
the dialogue with Equity as the parent account, enter the name "Revaluation
Reserve", select the account currency and add any other detail (opening balance
if non zero etc.) . At the bottom the Parent account should show as Equity. (You
can select any other Equity account as parent depending upon your heirarchy in
Equity). Click OK and you have an equity account which you can the use as the
other split in transactions recording the changes in asset value.

David


On Sun, 2022-05-08 at 10:37 +0200, Bogdan wrote:
> Well, actually my question is not an accounting question but rather a
> technical one on how to set up and use equity accounts in Gnucash, if at
> all possible (I'm a qualified accountant by the way). I took a revaluation
> reserve just as an example.
> 
> In many accounting frameworks you can find items that affect equity
> directly rather than through Profit and Loss / Retained Earnings.
> 
> For example, if you account for Property at fair value through P&L (so
> called "investment property") you would reflect an unrealized gain in
> market value as :
> 
> Dr Asset Cr Income (you equity increases because your net income / retained
> earnings increase)
> 
> However, if you use a revaluation model for the Property and mark it to
> market you would do:
> 
> Dr Asset Cr Reserve account
> 
> A Reserve account is an equity account (as much as Retained Earnings is an
> equity account). This gain doesn't go through P&L  and doesn't affect your
> income and expenses but it does increase your equity / capital directly
> through the reserve account (where it's reflected on the asset side - the
> property account or counter-account is beyond the point).
> 
> So I guess I am just wondering how to create an equity account in Gnucash.
> I used to set up these accounts as sub-accounts in the Trading account but
> now when I'm trying to make an entry directly to such a sub-account in
> Trading (e.g. Dr Asset Cr Trading) the Trading account changes to Imbalance
> automatically. Is there a workaround or is there a way to fix it?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 2:39 AM Michael or Penny Novack <
> stepbystepf...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> > > This Investopedia page (
> > > 
> > https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/revaluationreserves.asp#:~:text=Revaluation%20reserve%20is%20an%20accounting,of%20the%20asset%20has%20changed
> > > .) might provide some insights into how to setup revaluation reserves. My
> > > reading of this is that the Reserve account is a contra account to the
> > asset
> > > value and it is recorded against a specific Expense account to account
> > for short
> > > term variations in the asset value.  Find the section on recording
> > revaluation
> > > reserves a bit down the page.  Most jurisdictions don't tax unrealized
> > gains or
> > > give you exemptions for unrealized losses, so you would likely want to
> > record it
> > > under an Expense account category for non-deductible expenses.
> > > 
> > > You should seek specific accounting advice from a qualified accountant
> > for your
> > > jurisdiction and specific situation and not rely on this
> > > 
> > > David Cousens
> > 
> > Listen to David.
> > 
> > This is a house. Ordinary expenses fore most repairs are non-deductible.
> > But certain "improvements", while also non-deductible at the time, are
> > allowed to be added to the basis, and so can reduce capital gains
> > when/if the house is sold << and you might not be required to report
> > these gains if buying another house for more within a certain amount of
> > time >> BUT (and this is why I am not being more specific, though I know
> > some of the details) I am NOT "qualified" to give such advice. Seek a
> > qualified professional.
> > 
> > Michael D Novack
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 4.10

[davidcousens49]

Richard,

Just installed GnuCash 4.10 on my wife's Windows 11 laptop with no problems at
all using the msi installer from Sourceforge following the download link from
the GnuCash website. Starts, creates a new datafile and opens a copy of my
datafile from my Linux system without any problem.

It has to be something specific to your setup or a problem with the download.
Did you perhaps download the flatpak version and not have the flatpak setup. 
It will help if you can provide us details of which version you downloaded and
from whay site.

David Cousens

On Sun, 2022-05-08 at 14:40 +0100, Richard Clarkson via gnucash-user wrote:
> Have just updated from previous version to GnuCash 4.10 on Windows 11.
> 
>  
> 
> GnuCash now refuses to open (have tried from PowerShell too). I have tried
> reinstalling but no change.
> 
>  
> 
> Any idea how I can rectify this issue?
> 
> Many thanks
> 
>  
> 
> Richard 
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[GNC] Errors after restarting GnuCash 4.10 from terminal or bash script

[davidcousens49]

I have just setup getting finance quotes for Gnucash for the first time for GC
4.10 on Linux Mint 20.3. I was setting up a shell script to shutdown GnuCash,
update the finance quotes and restart GnuCash after the quotes had been written
to the datafile. The finance quote seems to work ok but when I restarted GnuCash
from the script, the following appeared in the terminal after the script exited.

$ Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gnucash/gnucash_core_c.py", line 14, in
swig_import_helper
return importlib.import_module(mname)
  File "/usr/lib/python3.8/importlib/__init__.py", line 127, in import_module
return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level)
  File "", line 1014, in _gcd_import
  File "", line 991, in _find_and_load
  File "", line 975, in _find_and_load_unlocked
  File "", line 657, in _load_unlocked
  File "", line 556, in module_from_spec
  File "", line 1166, in create_module
  File "", line 219, in _call_with_frames_removed
ImportError: libgncmod-app-utils.so: cannot open shared object file: No such
file or directory

During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/share/gnucash/python/init.py", line 2, in 
from gnucash import *
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gnucash/__init__.py", line 6, in 
from gnucash.gnucash_core import *
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gnucash/gnucash_core.py", line 31, in

import gnucash.gnucash_core_c as gnucash_core_c
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gnucash/gnucash_core_c.py", line 17, in

_gnucash_core_c = swig_import_helper()
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gnucash/gnucash_core_c.py", line 16, in
swig_import_helper
return importlib.import_module('_gnucash_core_c')
  File "/usr/lib/python3.8/importlib/__init__.py", line 127, in import_module
return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level)
ModuleNotFoundError: No module named '_gnucash_core_c'
Found Finance::Quote version 1.51.

I get the same error with no additional info restarting GnuCash from the command
line with --debug. It seems to be more associated with the python bindings than
anything to do with getting online quotes. I do compile  with -D WITH_PYTHON+ON
when I build it. Haven't ever started GC from a script or terminal recently but
I presume this happens from the desktop launcher as well, just isn't visible.

Has anyone struck this before?

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Re: [GNC] Configuration dilemma -- How best to share Gnucash between 2 users

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John, 

I achieve this by keeping my GnuCash files in a Dropbox account accessible from
my desktop at home, my laptop while travelling and my wife's laptop.  I backup
to an NAS (full once a month with daily incrementals) which is in turn backed up
to an offsite online cloud storage and a local directory on the desktop once or
twice a week  Provided you respect the lockfile, no problems. It generally takes
no more than a minute or two to sync automatically between the two machines via
the Dropbox account (\ I'm on a broadband 100Mbps connection - may be a bit more
limited on slower connections). Just have to remember to exit GnuCash on the
desktop before going out with the laptop and vice versa. In my case only I work
on the files so there is no problem coordinating multiple users.

David Cousens

On Tue, 2022-05-10 at 14:06 -0600, John Griessen wrote:
> On 5/10/22 11:46, Chris Mitchell wrote:
> Keeping the data files on shared network storage ("Windows network
> share", Samba, NFS, sshfs, etc) and accessing them directly has the
> advantage of real-time file locking:
> > I much prefer this setup, because it effectively prevents the
> > "accidentally edit both" scenario.
> 
> That sounds great for two people in an office.   How would you get the benefit
> of doing bookkeeping on a laptop and then at a 
> desktop machine alternating
> back and forth?
> 
> I get a flexibility benefit using unison to sync files.  I don't share use of
> bookkeeping files
> with another person, just me with laptop and me with desktop.  So far no
> troubles for a year.
> This method does not expose my bookkeeping to internet server attacks either
> -- it all stays behind a firewall.
> 
> I've not used the lock files very much, usually "opening anyway" since there
> have been occasional lock ups of x-windows as the 
> ubuntu distro I run with has been shifting to Wayland, and sometimes I get to
> power off running processes and have stale lock 
> files to ignore.  And since there is only me, lock files are always wrong if
> they say locked, since I don't have both laptop and 
> desktop running gnucash at once.
> 
> I find it worth being careful not to edit two different .gnucash files so I
> can do some bookkeeping at odd hours with laptop, and 
> yet normally use desktop with scanner on my LAN for prcessing paper receipts
> to images.  There is a side benefit to using a sync 
> program methodically:  it's always making a backup of what your are doing by
> copying any newer files to the other machine.  Unison 
> syncs all my data, not just gnucash files.  If somehow unison garbled
> something, there are 30 older .gnucash files and every 
> single .log file saved in a dir called logs to reconstruct lost data entering
> from.
> 
> John Griessen
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Re: [GNC] Am I in business?

[davidcousens49]

Arthur,

You appear to be in Australia or somewhere that has a similar tax system.

Short answer - you derive income from the properties you rent out - you are
conducting a business.

If you are in Australia you will be subject to capital gains tax on all the
properties apart from your main residence - the one you live in.

You will need to maintain records for both income tax and capital gains tax
purposes. Some costs associated with the properties will be allowable deductions
for income tax purposes  and there may be costs associated with improvements
 which may be addable to the cost basis for capital gains tax purposes.

THIS IS NOT SPECIFIC ACCOUNTING ADVICE AND IS NOT NECESSARILY APPROPRIATE TO
YOUR CIRCUMSTANCES. Consult an accountant for specific advice relevant to your
circumstances. The ATO website  can provide a lot of information.

David Cousens

On Sat, 2022-05-14 at 02:31 +, arthur brogard via gnucash-user wrote:
> Hope this is the right way to introduce a new question/thread.  
> 
> I and my ex jointly own four properties two of which are rented out.
> We are not registered for gst and are not in business though I have an ABN
> leftover from when I attempted an online business.
> Are we conducting an enterprise?  Will be be eligible to pay GST when we sell
> any of those properties?
> Should we be keeping certain records?
> Should the arrangement be formalised as a partnership or something?
> What should we be aware of?
> I'm putting my personal household expenses etc. into gnucash but not in any
> really strict or serious way.  Should I be getting that more properly
> organised?
> This is the only forum I know of where I can ask such questions.  If it's
> misuse of this forum and anyone knows a more fitting place please let me know.
> :)
> ab
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Re: [GNC] Am I in business?

[davidcousens49]

Arthur,

While forums may be useful to gain some understanding of financial matters and
accounting for them, you always need to check carefully that any
advice/procedures provided on a website or forum (including anything said in
this forum) is actually applicable to your situation and in your jurisdiction.

You are operating a business a business and possibly are in a partnership with 
your ex if you both own the properties. 
Setting this up is really going to require professional legal and accounting
advice to ensure proper legal protection for you and your ex and compliance with
tax legislation on both your parts. Apart from that, those of us also in
Australia, would likely be breaking the law, if we provided such advice.

David Cousens.

On Sat, 2022-05-14 at 15:05 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 14/5/22 10:31 am, arthur brogard via gnucash-user wrote:
> > Hope this is the right way to introduce a new question/thread.
> > 
> > I and my ex jointly own four properties two of which are rented out.
> > We are not registered for gst and are not in business though I have an ABN
> > leftover from when I attempted an online business.
> > Are we conducting an enterprise?  Will be be eligible to pay GST when we
> > sell any of those properties?
> > Should we be keeping certain records?
> > Should the arrangement be formalised as a partnership or something?
> > What should we be aware of?
> > I'm putting my personal household expenses etc. into gnucash but not in any
> > really strict or serious way.  Should I be getting that more properly
> > organised?
> > This is the only forum I know of where I can ask such questions.  If it's
> > misuse of this forum and anyone knows a more fitting place please let me
> > know.
> > :)
> > ab
> > 
> 
> This is a software users list, for seeking assistance in using the 
> particular software.
> 
> Asking what you have, is like going and sitting in the waiting area of a 
> medical practice or a hospital, and seeking qualified medical advice 
> from  the people waiting to get medical advice and treatment.
> 
> If you want to get brain surgery, or, your house built and maintained, 
> or, your car serviced, by a layman, who might not have relevant skills 
> or experience, then, okay, do it that way.
> 
> As an unqualified layman, my personal opinion, of no consequence, being 
> not a qualified professional, is quite simple - you are renting out at 
> least one property - you are obtaining income by other than direct 
> payment for your labour (wages); therefore, you are operating a business.
> 
> Go to a qualified and accredited, practising accountant.
> 
> Whilst you conspicuously omitted the information of where you are 
> located, with the use of the terms GST and ABN, in combination, you 
> appear to be in Australia.
> 
> Therefore, you would be subject to Australian taxes and tax laws.
> 
> Which means that, ever since you started renting out your properties, 
> you are supposed to have been declaring all income and expenditure, 
> related to them, and, possibly your residence.
> 
> In Australia, I believe that the applicable term for whom you need to 
> see, is a CPA - a Certified Practising Accountant.
> 
> You need to consult with one, as soon as possible. Find one in your 
> area, and, make an appointment, and explain all of your sources of 
> income, and, seek CERTIFIED, QUALIFIED, advice, as soon as possible.
> 
> Fines for not having met obligations regarding tax laws, can be 
> expensive, and, provide no benefits (other than an expensive learning 
> experience) for the individual.
> 
> Lack Of Knowledge is no defence (people often quote the malapropism 
> "Ignorance is no defence", but, ignorance involves a deliberate act to 
> ignore knowledge, which is different to lacking the knowledge).
> 
> Asking here, for the advice that you have asked, is the same as getting 
> sex education from a group of idiots hiding somewhere, inhaling toxic 
> smoke, for the fun of it (mostly, purely because it is forbidden and 
> unhealthy, making them, more the idiots) - you might get someone who 
> knows what they are talking about, and, you may not.
> 
> This is a software users mailing list, not a forum for getting the 
> advice that should be available from a Certified Practising Accountant, 
> and, a Certified Practising Accountant, of Australia, familiar with 
> Australian tax law, is the only kind of person, from whom you should be 
> seeking the advice that you are seeking, and, the only source of advice 
> of which you should heed, other than the advice to go and consult with one.
> 

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Re: [GNC] Am I in business?

[davidcousens49]

Arthur,

When replying to a question it is legitimate to copy the title of the post you 
are replying to "Re: [GNC] Am I in business?" to the subject line of the reply 
where the reply is a continuation of that discussion, particularly when 
replying to a digest.  It normally happens automatically when replying to an 
individual email. As long as the email is addressed to 
"gnucash-user@gnucash.org" it will reach the list. Most email clients have a 
Reply to List function which will copy the list address to the address field of 
the email, other wise you can do that manually. The Reply to All function will 
usually send the reply to all users in the To: and Cc: fields of the message 
you are replying to -  not desirable in many cases when replying to a mailing 
list. 
It is also possible in the mailing list preferences to set them to receive the
individual replies to the list rather than the digest -  ups the emails you get
but I find it easier than having to cut subjects out of the digest and my email
client has some efficient processes for deleting and or archiving all emails
from a given address, sender, subject etc so I am able to manage it easily.

Adding  an individual's private email address will then result in them receiving
two copies, one directly and one via the list which can be mildly annoying. To
address an individual who made a previous comment, I usually use their name  in
my reply. The general protocol on mailing lists is not to respond to an
individual's private email address (unless invited to do so -e.g. where you
might need to disclose information you may not want to make public, but are
prepared to disclose it to an indiviual). The purpose of a list is really the
exchange of information between users and other users, users and developers and
that function is lost in private email exchanges. It also means the exchange is
available to other list users as an educational tool. I often learn new aspects
of the use of Gnucash and accounting, particularly where the latter differs in
different jurisdictions from the list discussions. 

David Cousens
On Tue, 2022-05-17 at 21:20 +, arthur brogard via gnucash-user wrote:
> Just want to thank all  those who responded to my query.  Thanks for the
> substack suggestion.  Thanks for the cautions about advice.  I'm aware of that
> aspect, don't worry.
> With respect to that:  laws against giving financial advice and the danger of
> accepting such from the unqualified,  I think we need a sort of boilerplate
> text we could append to replies and perhaps even queries which satisfactorily
> deals with both aspects.
> It does get tedious constantly running into it whenever you raise a question.
> My queries range across a lot of subjects and finance is only one them.  And
> in each subject the are addressed to many venues - as often as not simply
> found by googling.
> Its obvious that great volumes of financial information is displayed freely on
> thousands,  maybe millions, of webpages by such as solicitors, accountants,
> bookkeepers,  software vendors and I don't know what-all else. Together with
> much, much more from 'authorised' sources like the ATO,  Lands Dept,  Rev SA
> and on and on.All of them issuing disclaimers and caveats without much problem
> at all.
> If they can do it we can all do it.  There's far too  much panicky nervousness
> and caution I think.  There's real dangers and there's real ways of obviating
> them.  All reminiscent of the covid madness.
> That's that.
> I've got this continuing problem with my inability to properly understand how
> to use this list.
> I get an email from a member addressed to me that's fine.  I can respond to it
> and choose 'reply to all' as suggested or requested in the template footnote
> But mainly I just get mailing list updates with a number of subjects listed at
> the top.  I look at that and see if my query is in there.  If it is I go read
> it and then perhaps, like now,  I'd like to respond to that particular person.
> But I don't know how to do that.
> Except perhaps by noting the email address,  noting out subject line, noting
> the text,  writing a new reply email and inputting all that and making the
> reply go to 'reply all' or something.
> Its surely easier than that.  What should I be doing?
> 
> 
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Re: [GNC] Am I in business?

[davidcousens49]

It will depend on your email client Arthur. I usually filter on gnucash which
picks up gnucash in the list address and seems to work fairly well. It your
email client also has a group by thread option this makes it easier to follow
conversations.

David Cousens

On Wed, 2022-05-18 at 01:18 +, arthur brogard via gnucash-user wrote:
> You're right.  I get just as many individual emails addressed to  me either
> way, don't I?   
> 
> But what do I use for the filter?  Can't be 'from' if I want to catch both for
> they differ.  Can't be 'subject' for that differs.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, 18 May 2022, 10:33:16 am ACST, Derek Atkins  > wrote:  
>  
>  Hi,
> 
> On Tue, May 17, 2022 7:07 pm, arthur brogard wrote:
> > Hello and thankyou.
> > I'm 'replying to all' in response to your direct email I just got here. 
> > Great.
> > Hope I'm doing it right.
> > So it seems to me I should run two accounts with the list.  Because I like
> > to see what's being discussed at the same time as I don't like the hassle
> > of responding to those who respond to me in the hassly way we have to do
> > it when using the digests.
> > So I can have the digests to open and peruse whenever I feel like it, no
> > hurry.
> > And I can be running a normal email - email thread about my queries at the
> > same time in the second account.
> > That'd be alright, I guess?
> 
> Yes, you could subscribe twice (with two addresses).  Although I don't
> really see the point of doing that.  You might as well just tell your
> email client to file all the gnucash email into its own folder and then
> you can peruse the subjects that way instead of using a digest AND
> individual emails.  Because you still need to *find* the individual email
> to reply to...
> 
> But hey, whatever works for you.
> 
> -derek
> 

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Re: [GNC] unrealized gain / losses for mutual funds

[davidcousens49]

Andrea

The mechanism for recording unrealized gains and losses is basically fairly
simple but the devil is as usual in the detail. 

You need a sub account of your asset account and a corresponding account in
Equity which you could call a revaluation reserve or something similar. This
account can be either in Equity itself or could be an Income or Expense account
(which is included in profit and loss). Which is appropriate to use depends upon
many factors, the asset, the rules that apply to that asset class in your
jurisdiction including tax legislation etc., whether the gains or losses are or
are not taxable (generally not but as Mike points out not always). These sort of
considerations with regard to the reporting requirements will determine exactly
where in an account heirarchy this account should be positioned. This is where
you need accounting advice relevant to your jurisdiction and your personal
situation.

When the asset increases in value the asset sub account is debited and the
corresponding equity account is credited (and vice versa when a decrease in
value occurs). The sub account totals into the asset value. If you are doing
this it would also be common practice to have the purchase value of the asset
also recorded in a separate sub-account so you can track its value for capital
gains purposes in which you would also track events which could affect its cost
basis for CGT if appropriate,. The asset's current value being the total of the
sub-accounts with the asset account itself a placeholder. This will put the
changes in valuation onto the balance sheet. It will also likely affect other
reports (e.g. profit and Loss) depending on where the second account is located.

To automate this would require a process which takes place automatically
whenever the price for the asset recorded in the price database changes which
generates the appropriate debits and credits relative to the last price recorded
in the database and puts then into a transaction affecting the above accounts.
This is not a simple process as this would occur only for certain specific
assets or asset classes, and the appropriate account structures associated with
the asset and its unrealized gains would need to mapped to each asset class for
which this was to apply to. The existing data structures most likely would need
some extension to accommodate this (I haven't looked at this aspect
particularly). This likely means a lot of checking for unwanted and undesirable
effects on the existing functionality during implementation and coding changes
affecting a fair bit of the code base. I'm sure there are other issues which
this would affect I haven't the depth of knowledge about the code base to
appreciate at this point.

You could do the above manually whenever you wish to record a change in
valuation of the asset at whatever period suits your purpose.

David Cousens

On Wed, 2022-05-18 at 08:32 +0200, Andrea Borgia wrote:
> Any ideas? Was my question perhaps not sufficiently clear?
> 
> Il giorno dom 15 mag 2022 alle ore 17:15 Andrea Borgia 
> ha scritto:
> 
> > Hello.
> > 
> > 
> > Trying to improve my book-keeping, I would like to tackle this issue now
> > so I went to the documentation, precisely "11.4.1. Unrealized Gains".
> > 
> > Problem is, the example applies to a painting, that is an object whose
> > value changes, not shares whose number remains constant but whose value
> > changes, thus leading to a change in total valuation.
> > 
> > 
> > Since the end goal is to derive unrealized P&L and then include those in
> > the economic result for the year, I thought I could record a fake sale,
> > after all at book opening the next year I do a fake purchase (with same
> > price, just one day apart). If this makes sense, how do I compute the
> > P&L given the new price? Must I do that manually with a split or is
> > there some kind of assistance by GnuCash?
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Andrea.
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [GNC] Import Map Editor - accidentally deleted account

[davidcousens49]

Bogdan

AFAIK the import mapping data is stored in the main data file as is the price
database data. I don't know if the log files record changes to the import map
editor or only transaction changes. I suspect if you have deleted something in
the import map editor your only recourse will be to  retrain the system by
setting the values for unmapped transactions during the import process. It
probably pays to have a very good idea of how the import mapping functions
before editing the map data as it can have some unwanted consequences.

David Cousens

On Wed, 2022-05-18 at 23:45 +0200, Bogdan wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I don't have a "qif-accounts-map" file on my system.  I've been importing
> OFX rather than QIF format. Where else would the mapping for these imports
> be stored?
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 1:28 AM Tommy Trussell 
> wrote:
> 
> > I don't regularly import data, so I am not sure...
> > 
> > HOWEVER what happens if you quit GnuCash, move the qif-accounts-map file
> > to another place, then open GnuCash and try the import again?
> > 
> > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Configuration_Locations
> > 
> > If this is "dangerous" I hope someone jumps in. Since I haven't used the
> > importer on this system I don't even see the file, so I presume it gets
> > automatically created when necessary during the import process.
> > 
> > Please be sure to report back whether thad does or does not work!
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 2:26 AM Bogdan  wrote:
> > 
> > > Hello, does anybody have a suggestion how to fix the import map editor?
> > > 
> > > On Wed, May 11, 2022, 12:26 Bogdan  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > I've accidentally deleted several accounts in the Import Map Editor -
> > > > Bayesian (actually, I was trying to delete a match string but it would
> > > > delete the entire source account with all match strings). Now,
> > > obviously,
> > > > matching on import no longer works for these accounts.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Is there a way to restore it?
> > > 
> > > Making a new import does not record the missing account in the Import Map
> > > > Editor (and match strings are not recorded).
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks!
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Re: [GNC] How to convert between currency and assets and record change of value

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nathan,

This would normally be regarded as a capital gain (or loss) on sale of the item
and whether it is or not depends on the capital gains tax rules as they apply to
this item in your jurisdiction.  As such it may be subject to capital gains tax,
in which case you would need to treat it differently from other income which is
subject to income tax  rather than capital gains taxes. The process is much the
same but you create additional income and expense accounts for use with items
subject to capital gains, which sum separately form your income accounts for
items subject to income tax  ie,e you might have a heirarchy something like

Income:Taxable
Income:Capital_Gains
Income:Noon-Taxable

with a similar heirarchy in your expense accounts.  These can then produce
separate line items for each of these categories in the reports produced ( with
the appropriate choices in the report options settings. It is also a common
practice to use a single account usually under Income for both capital gains and
losses and not have expense accounts for losses. 

GnuCash uses double entry accounting and a purchase transaction will record the 
transfer in value from one asset, your checking account, with a credit entry 
(called one split of the transaction to the GnuCash account representing your 
checking account) to the new asset (with a debit entry/split to the GnuCash 
account representing the asset). The two splits which each affect different 
accounts form a single transaction.
 In accounting we normally distinguish between assets purchased for immediate
use within the current accounting period (current assets) and assets which are
held for longer than a single accounting period (non-current assets). The
purchase of a current asset, e.g. office supplies, is recorded against an
expense account (a temporary equity account in conjunction with income accounts
to record profit and loss in the current accounting period) immediately on
purchase rather than against an asset account ( credit to the checking account
and debit to the expense account, whereas the purchase of a non-current asset,
e.g. land or a building or plant) is normally recorded against an account in
non-current assets (credit to the checking account and debit of the appropriate 
asset account).

I would suggest working through the Tutorial and Concepts Guide 
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-guide/index.html if you are not
familiar with double entry accounting practice. The introductory chapters give a
brief overview of double entry accounting and subjects like purchases,
sales,capital gains and losses are dealt with in later chapters as are things
like depreciation of assets for which the values is consumed over periods much
larger than a single accounting period.  It is useful to setup a dummy set of
books to do the examples in the guide. The help manual is more of a button by
button description of the interface operation  but is also useful 
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-help/help.html. These are also
downloadable in PDF format if that is more useful for you.

David Cousens




On Thu, 2022-05-19 at 22:11 +, Nathan Falco wrote:
> I need to set up an account structure to show the flow of transactions for the
> following scenario.
> 
> I use money in a checking account to purchase a physical item. I sell the item
> for more than I paid for it. I put the money back into the checking account.
> 
> I imagine I could record the purchase merely as an expense and record the sale
> merely as income?
> But I would like to show the cost and the income related to each specific item
> I sell. So I imagine another way I could do it would be to convert the money
> used to pay for the purchase into an asset, and then convert it back into
> money when I complete a sale. I hope to be able to show that as the value of
> the checking account decreases the value of the asset account increases and
> vice versa. What kind of transaction would show the increase of value? Should
> I just add a split to the record of the sale and label it income? Because I
> think that would only capture the net. I would want the record to show that
> money received from the sale would be counted as income. I also would want to
> show that any cost related to selling the item was an expense.
> 
> Please reply with which method is the best suggested method. Also please
> include a dummy account structure that shows the basic classifications that I
> should use. Thank you.
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Re: [GNC] Import Map Editor - accidentally deleted account

[davidcousens49]

Bogdan,  
I have no problem deleting individual match strings in the import map editor in
GC4.10 on Linux mint 20.3.   I used to do it occasionally in  several of the 3.x
versons as well but I have never deleted all the strings for a given account. It
may be that action which is causing the problem. For some reason the Bayesian
editor includes date information in the account matching so the token database
ends up with a lot of entries with a frequency of 1 or 2 which should have
little or no effect on the Bayesian matching.  The matching process is also
different if you have the Bayesian matching disabled although I think it is now
the default matching process. 
David.
On Fri, 2022-05-20 at 10:26 +0200, Bogdan wrote:
> Hi David, 
> Thanks, that's of course how I tried to delete an individual token - by
> highlighting the item and yet it would delete the entire account. That bug
> happened on several accounts but I can't reproduce it on some other accounts
> where I could delete tokens just fine. So I guess this is something to watch
> out for if other users complain.  
> The problem is not so much the loss of the previously created tokens /
> mappings but inability to create new tokens for the account. I've tried to
> start from scratch hoping new imports would create tokens for the account but
> they do not and the account / new mappings simply do not show up in the Import
> Map Editor after new imports. The same is actually true even for 
> newly-created 
> accounts - tokens are not recorded on import. What could be wrong? 
> Thanks! 
> 
> On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 2:39 AM  wrote:
> > Bogdan,
> > When you open the import map editor it normally shows a list of accounts and
> > each of those accounts has an down arrow to the left of it. If you click on
> > the down arrow the list will expand to show the token entries  (match
> > strings) associated with that account. You can then select the specific
> > search strings you want to delete and these will be highlighted. Mmultiple
> > items can be selected using the usual Ctrl-click and Shift-click mechanisms.
> > Only the highlighted strings will then be deleted. If you highlight the
> > account entry at the top of the list then all entries associated with that
> > account get deleted which would appear to be what has happened in your case.
> > Unfortunately there is no undo button so the information is permanently
> > lost.  The documentation is in the help manual at 
> > https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-help/trans-import.html#:~:text=Import%20Match%20Editor,Map%20Editor%20from%20the%20menu
> > . however the above drop-down action is not documented there. I will patch
> > it to add the above.
> > It might be more appropriate to issue a warning that you are going to delete
> > all match information for an account where the item selected is an account
> > entry rather than an individual match string and ask for confirmation that
> > this is what is intended
> > David Cousens
> > On Fri, 2022-05-20 at 00:29 +0200, Bogdan wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > The course of the problem is that I tried to delete a specific mapping for
> > > a specific account in the Import Map Editor and instead it would delete
> > > the entire account with all mappings (that is, in the Map Editor, not the
> > > account itself). That looks like a bug.
> > > 
> > > Anyway, it doesn't seem possible to retrain the system by new importing
> > > (and setting values) i.e. identical transactions are not recognized on
> > > subsequent imports. I assume it's because the account is no longer being
> > > mapped to on import (and is not visible anymore in the Map Editor as
> > > mentioned above). Hence my original question on how to re-instate the
> > > account in the datafile / Map Editor for mapping if possible at all?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Thu, May 19, 2022, 04:14   wrote:
> > > > Bogdan
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > AFAIK the import mapping data is stored in the main data file as is the
> > > > price
> > > > 
> > > > database data. I don't know if the log files record changes to the
> > > > import map
> > > > 
> > > > editor or only transaction changes. I suspect if you have deleted
> > > > something in
> > > > 
> > > > the import map editor your only recourse will be to  retrain the system
> > > > by
> > > > 
> > > > setting the values for unmapped transactions during the import process.
> > > > It
> > > > 
> > > > probably pays to have a very good idea of how the import mapping
> > > > functions
> > > > 
> > > > before editing the map data as it can have some unwanted consequences.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > David Cousens
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Wed, 2022-05-18 at 23:45 +0200, Bogdan wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > I don't have a "qif-accounts-map" file on my system.  I've been
> > > > importing
> > > > 
> > > > > OFX rather than QIF format. Where else would the mapping for these
> > > > imports
> > > > 
> 

Re: [GNC] Import is finding no matching transactions

[davidcousens49]

Aaron,

>From your description it sounds as though you have created sub-accounts of your
checking account to implement a budget process. If this is the case, it is the
opposite of normal accounting proceduress. To account for expenditure in a
specific category the generally accepted procedure is to create sub accounts of
Expenses for specific expense categories. You can get information on the
Budgeting features in the Tutorial and Concepts Guide 
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-guide/chapter_budgets.html and from
the wiki https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Budget_Requirements detailing a bit more
of the background.

David Cousens


On Tue, 2022-05-31 at 15:17 +, Thepwnd via gnucash-user wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I wanted to circle back on this issue that I opened a couple weeks ago.  I
> came down with the flu, as did the rest of my family, so I haven't had a
> chance to look at this again until this weekend.  Also, I'm not sure if I'm
> creating the response to the mailing list in the most optimal way, but I can't
> find any specific instructions other than to change the subject line when
> replying, so please let me know if there's something else I should be doing.
> 
> With that out of the way, I was able to figure out what the problem
> was.  Apparently my importer tool wasn't able to find any matches because the
> source account is locked as my "Checking Account," but when I setup my
> accounts initially - and I'm not sure this was the correct way to do it - I
> ended up creating a bunch of subaccounts for all of my expense categories.  My
> intention was to be able to see a running balance in each category, but I also
> don't think I understand how to fully utilize the budget feature in
> GnuCash.  At any rate, I updated one of my transactions to set the source
> account to the main/root checking account, rather than the subaccount, and now
> the importer is able to find a match for it.
> 
> So I guess I have a few follow-up questions: 1) Can I use the budget feature
> in GnuCash to see an active balance for a given expense category, or does the
> budget only tell me how much money I've spent in that category for the given
> time period? 2) Is there a way to either change the source account on an
> import (I'm not sure how it automatically detected the Checking Account in the
> first place) or to perform a mass update to the source account on my
> transactions?
> 
> Thanks,
> -Aaron
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Re: [GNC] Balance Sheet mismatch

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Fred,

The price database is stored in your main datafile for the set of books. You can
edit it from the Tools->Price Database  in the menu.

David Cousens
On Thu, 2022-06-02 at 21:50 -0700, Fred Tydeman wrote:
> I have made a test file with just two transactions:
>   Opening Balance in GBP on 3/13/2011
>   xfer and convert to USD 1/1/2016
> So, those two transactions put two entries in the Price database for GBP.
> I then added a third price between those two dates on 1/11/2013
> The Balance Sheet shows a mismatch if run on 1/11/2013 or any date after
> that date
> but is OK if run on 1/10/2013 or any date earlier
> The value of the GBP (reported in USD) is changing in the Assets section of
> the report,
> but the Equity section is remaining constant.
> Should the Equity section show an Unrealized gain/loss?
> This looks like a bug to me.  I am not sure how to report, or what is
> needed.
> The test2.gnucash file is around 5000 bytes small
> Now sure where the Price history is kept, nor the Report options.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 7:56 AM Fred Tydeman  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 6:45 AM Fred Tydeman 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > I am now trying going back in time to see when the first imbalance starts.
> > > How do I get a list of transactions in a specific date range?
> > > Is there a way to find stock/mutual fund prices of zero(0)?
> > > 
> > 
> > First mismatch happens back in 2012.
> > It appears that using Report Options / Commodities / Price Source of
> > Closest to report date   is a problem when the date of the report
> > is between two dates of a Foreign currency exchange rate in Price Database.
> > However, that is not the only problem, as now using
> > Last up through report date for Commodities, I get a mismatch
> > when the Balance sheet report is the same date as a Price Database entry
> > of a foreign currency.
> > 
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Re: [GNC] Mass Reconcile

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Fred,

Ctrl + A Select all content in nearly all computer systems. 

The multiple selection with a mouse is:
Ctrl + Left click   Add the line to the selection;
Shift + Left click  Select all between the current line and the line clicked on;
SHift + Up arrow  Select one line up from current line;
Shift + Down arrow  Select one line down from current line.

This doesn't work in the main menus but does AFAIK in the Reconcile and the
Import Matcher Window. I have usually found with the CTRL-Left Click I have to
use it twice, once to activate the multiple selection mode and again to select
the item. Once it is activated a single ctrl-click seems to work.

Most of these are set in the GTK library and are not GnuCash specific which is
likely why they are not listed in the Wiki or guide. I haven't been able to find
a reference specific to GTK which defines the key combinations they set and
support by default but they do include many of the combinations listed in the
references below. The specific key combinations for a given function are also
sometimes OS and or distribution dependent ( Super is usually the Windows key).

Some common definitions used in many computer systems are defined in the
following:
https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/keyboard-nav.html.en
https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/shell-keyboard-shortcuts.html.en
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-keyboard-shortcuts-3d444b08-3a00-abd6-67da-ecfc07e86b98

Feel free to add any keyboard combinations you find that work to the wiki. Just
ask for editing privileges.

David Cousens

On Fri, 2022-06-03 at 08:43 -0700, Fred Tydeman wrote:
> I got a private email to me (would have been better if it went to the list),
> telling me that in Reconcile, one can do Ctrl-a to select all items.
> 
> That keyboard shortcut is not mentioned in:
>   Tutorial and Concepts Guide (search for "keyboard shortcut")
>   https://cvs.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-guide/txns-shortcuts1.html
>   https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Keyboard_Shortcuts
> 
> Nor, is there a mention of Shift-Up-Arrow or Shift-Down-Arrow
> 
> On 5/22/22 12:16 AM, Fred Tydeman wrote:
> > > I added over 300 dummy #yymmdd accounts and am using them as tags in
> > splits
> > > in transactions (to simulate Quicken classes).  I now realized that those
> > > splits are not reconciled.  It is a slow process to  reconcile them one
> > by
> > > one.  Is there an easy way to pick many of those #yymmdd accounts and
> > have
> > > them all be reconciled at once?
> > 
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Re: [GNC] Transfer Dates

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If you import from bank 1 with the transfers to a Funds in transit account as
the transfer account rather than bank 2 and then import the records from bank 2
with the transfer account as funds in transit, the dates will be correct in each
of the bank accounts. The funds in transit account will end up with a zero
balance provided all the imports match up and you should be good to go.  

The Import matcher window only matches to transactions that exist in the account
you are importing to and as long as you don't import to the funds in transit
account, there should be no problem.  The matching in the funds in transit
account should be automatic ( unless there are transfer fees involved). Any non-
zero balance in it after you have imported all transactions will indicate
unmatched transactions. 
You can also use the multiple selection features in the import matcher window to
select all transactions which have the Funds in transit account as the transfer
account and assign that account in a single step.

David Cousens

On Sun, 2022-06-05 at 17:10 -0700, viking...@san.rr.com wrote:
> I am sorry David. I hit “reply” when I should have hit “reply all”, right? I
> sent the previous mail to the group as well.
> 
> I am importing because I am trying to create a new GnuCash file with a lot of
> transactions from different financial institutions; all of them are in CSV
> (xls). When done, I don’t intend to import anymore.
> 
> I am typically only going between two different banks. Most of the
> transactions are between Bank1 and another bank, e.g. Bank2, Bank3, Bank4 etc.
> In that sense a “Funds in Transit account” may work because most (but not all)
> transfers are from/to Bank1. In any case, I would still need to force it to
> not match when importing Bank1.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> From: David H [mailto:hell...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: 05 June, 2022 16:58
> To: viking...@san.rr.com; Gnucash Users
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Transfer Dates
> 
>  
> 
> Mate, keep it on-list so others can offer suggestions/chip in where relevant.
> Case in point I NEVER import anything so I can't comment on how the matching
> works, others that do obviously can. I ALWAYS manually enter txns that way
> when I reconcile I'm not reconciling the bank's txns against the bank's
> statement :-)
> 
>  
> 
> You have other options - as you say add something to the description column to
> say where the funds are going to in the long run - you didn't say you were
> transferring between more than 2 banks, so you're going from bank1 to bank2 to
> bank3 sort of ? 
> 
>  
> 
> Forget Quicken, you left it for a reason :-)
> 
>  
> 
> Cheers David H.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On Mon, 6 Jun 2022 at 07:55,  wrote:
> 
> If I use an intermediary “Funds in Transit account”, wouldn’t I run into the
> same issue when importing bank1? It would match the original transfer date of
> bank2 in the “Funds in Transit account”. I would need to force it to not
> match.  
> 
> A disadvantage of using a “Funds in Transit account” is that I wouldn’t easily
> see where the money was going (I am transferring between more than two banks).
> 
> 
> I was hoping that there was maybe some way of using another date column in
> GnuCash (like having a transaction and a post date). 
> 
> If I recall correctly, Quicken actually modified the dates when importing so
> that each bank showed the correct dates.
> 
> I guess that I could modify the CSV file of bank1 to include the bank1 dates
> in the description….
> 
>  
> 
> From: David H [mailto:hell...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: 05 June, 2022 14:15
> To: viking...@san.rr.com
> Cc: Gnucash Users
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Transfer Dates
> 
>  
> 
> If you want to be exact you probably need to use something like a "Funds in
> Transit" account - transfer from bank2 to funds in transit on date 1 and then
> transfer from funds in transit to bank1 3-5 days later.  Effectively you'd be
> splitting each transaction into 2 transactions.
> 
>  
> 
> Cheers David H.
> 
>  
> 
> On Mon, 6 Jun 2022 at 07:03,  wrote:
> 
> I have transferred money back and forth between bank1 and bank2.
> 1. I first imported my transactions from bank2. 
> 
> 2. I then imported my transactions from bank1. 
> 
> The transfers between the accounts are matched and are therefore not
> imported to bank1 (as expected).
> 
> However, the dates of the transfers are correct in bank2 but incorrect in
> bank1 because there is a 3-5 days delay for the transfers (and bank2 was
> imported before bank1). 
> 
> 
> Is there any way to log the correct dates in bank1 (while also retaining the
> correct date in bank2)?
> 
> 
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Re: [GNC] Export as text or CSV

[davidcousens49]

Fred 
Will a balance sheet report do what you want? That has the balances of all
accounts as of a specified date which can be set in the report options as well
as the account depth required.

David Cousens

On Sun, 2022-06-05 at 18:47 -0700, Fred Tydeman wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 5:02 PM David H  wrote:
> 
> > Fred,
> > 
> > File >> Export >> Export  to CSV doesn't do it for you ?
> > 
> 
> Already tried that.  It does not have the account values.
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Re: [GNC] Export as text or CSV

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Fred 
Will a balance sheet report do what you want? That has the balances of all
accounts as of a specified date which can be set in the report options as well
as the account depth required.

David Cousens

On Sun, 2022-06-05 at 18:47 -0700, Fred Tydeman wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 5:02 PM David H  wrote:
> 
> > Fred,
> > 
> > File >> Export >> Export  to CSV doesn't do it for you ?
> > 
> 
> Already tried that.  It does not have the account values.
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Re: [GNC] Missing 2nd entry

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Fred,

If you go to the Accounts tab in the main window can you see either an Orphan or
Imbalance account with a non-zero balance. The transaction creation process and
the importer have never allowed you to create a transaction in GnuCash which is
unbalanced. I just tested it and tried to force creating an unbalanced
transaction in 4.10 (linux Mint 20.3) and you cannot do it. It automatically
creates the Imbalance account entry. Not sure if the datafile reading mechanism
enforces that condition when data is being read into GnuCash from a file or
database and a transaction record had been corrupted though. Have you manually
edited the datafile by any chance? Can you delete the transaction and if
necessary recreate it in balanced form?

David Cousens


On Wed, 2022-06-08 at 21:58 -0700, Fred Tydeman wrote:
> I just found a transaction that is not a double entry.
> It is just a single entry.  Not sure how that happened.
> When I click on Split to see the other side of the entry,
> there is nothing.  Clicking on Jump does nothing.
> 
> With that strange transaction as the current entry:
> Clicking on Actions->Check&Repair->This transaction
> appears to do nothing.  Same for All transactions.
> 
> With all account tabs closed (so only the top level Accounts shows):
> Clicking on Actions->Check&Repair->Check&repair all
> runs for a minute or two and does not fix that entry, nor
> make a new account for Unbalanced or similar.
> 
> I wonder if this unusual transaction is the cause of the
> Trial Balance report crashing and giving me a traceback.
> Equity Statement report also crashes with a similar traceback.
> 
> I am running GnuCash 4.10+(2022-03-26) on Linux.
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Re: [GNC] importing csv and negative numbers

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The difficulty is that the sign convention in a CSV file is normally determined
by the originating bank and there is no guarantee that it is what GnuCash thinks
it should be. 

Some banks will use a signed amount column to represent debits and credits,
others will provide a debit column and a credit column with an unsigned amount.
Most will use a convention where the file is prepared from there point of view,
i.e. deposits you make into the account will be credits and withdrawals from the
bank account will be debits in the file (and on the statement) but there are
always the banks who try to be helpful.

The importer has to be able to handle these combinations and any reversal of the
sign convention so there is some arbitrarinesss to the assignment of the Deposit
and Withdrawal headers to the appropriate columns in the CSV file in the
importer setup.

My bank uses a single signed amount column in which positive amounts are credits
on the statement and negative amounts are debits on the statement. Because the
statement is written from the banks accounting perspective and not yours the
positive amounts become debits and the negative amounts credits in your accounts
in GnuCash so I can assign the Deposit header to the single amount column in the
CSV file and it imports correctly. If I am importing a Credit card statement,
assigning the "Deposit" header also seems to work as GnuCash realizes it is
importing to a liability and not an asset account. If your bank follows the same
convention and has two columns you would assign the "Deposit" header to the
Credit column in the file and the "Withdrawal" header to the Debit column in the
file.

The best bet is to truncate a file to a couple of transactions and experiment to
get the setup right and then use that to import the complete file. Then if it
imports incorrectly you only have 1-2 transactions to delete before try the
other options.

David Cousens

On Mon, 2022-06-13 at 05:00 +, Kevin T via gnucash-user wrote:
> It seems that when importing CSV files, to a CC account, if the 'credit'
> column, which when imported is called the 'deposit' field, has a negative
> value in it, it is imported as a 'debit' transaction.  I have to refer to the
> statement, to find which of these transactions are supposed to be credits. 
>  IE i can't trust the import.
> is there any way to work around this behavior.
> Kevin
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Re: [GNC] Direct Adjustment of Security's Price

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Bite

The transaction to record this, if a profit or increase in value of the security
is to debit the security by the amount of the profit and to credit an income
account by the same amount. For a loss in value creidt the security account and
debit the income amount. The profit or loss is the product of the number of
securites held  and the difference in prices between the date at which you are
recording the unrealized gain/loss and the price at the time you have previously
recorded a gain or loss Ultimately this traces back to the initail purchase
price.

You may find it useful to use a sub-account of the security (of the same type 
account) totalling into the security account to record the unrealized gains and
losses so that you preserve the initial cost basis which you will likely need
for capital gains taxes in most jurisdiction. Unrealized gains and losses are
generally not taxable as income in most jurisdictions, so you would need an
Income account separate from any Income account structure which records income
for taxation purposes.

David Cousens

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> GnuCash developers & Maintainers:
> 
>  Hello! I would like to record the unrealized profit & loss from 
> security investment directly into an income account. Could you please 
> tell me whether I am possible to do as above, and if possible, how I can 
> achieve this?
> 
>  Yours,
> 
>  Bite Gao
> 
> June 19th, 2022
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Re: [GNC] rookie question Imbalance-USD

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Kevin,

We cannot really tell whether it is correct to remove the transactions to the
Imbalance account or not.  You can really only determine that by examining the
register of the account to which you think you should perhaps change the split
to the imbalance account. Before actually changing it check in that register for
that account and check if it would duplicate a transaction already present. If
so then it would likely be safe to delete. If not and you are reasonably sure it
is the right account you would change it and assign the Imbalance account entry
to it.

Any transactions to Equity:Opening Balance  accounts should be at or near the
date you first created the books and there should be an entry in Equity:Opening
Balances for each Asset or Liability account which existed at that date.

Ultimately your check on all of this will be when you run a reconciliations of
the  credit card account(s) and your bank accounts against the statements
provided by the bank. This should detect if you have incorrectly assigned one
end of a transaction to an asset or liability  account. It is generally not
possible to reconcile Equity ,Income and Expense accounts as there are no
external statements to reconcile them against.

David Cousens





On Mon, 2022-06-20 at 22:30 +, Kevin T via gnucash-user wrote:
> Sorry to have created such a row.
> Yes, clicking the split does indeed show me more information and is helpful to
> a point.
> I have made many blunders during this process that I am likely to pay for in
> time.  I paid little attention to the import account as I figured I would
> properly assign them at a later time.  Yes, I had used quicken many years ago,
> sorry.
> I appreciate the information all of you have provided.
> I have read some more about double entry accounting.  Again thanks.
> That said, I have 3 cases in the Imbalance account.  All are discussed with
> the split line showing.  I hope that you can see the screen shots included.
> a)  ones which are truly involving only one account.
> these I am assuming they are safe to remove as no other accounts are effected.
> 
> ..b)  one in which the transaction is showing two accounts and one of them
> is the imbalance account and one other 'proper' account.
> 
> The above is a credit card transaction.  In the double entry world, and if
> this were a a perfect world, the imbalance would be a different asset
> account.  In the real world, the asset account, not shown, does cover this
> transaction but is done in a single transfer of funds to the source CC
> account.  
> I have reconciled all the CC card accounts.  If done properly, should the
> imbalance account be the source CC account?  
> If I look at the CC accounts that I have made all the corrections, or imported
> more correctly, the transactions contain appropriate double entries, as below.
> 
> I think that these types of entries are also left over from imports not used
> or repeated.  They are almost all involving CC imports.  It would seem that
> these are also OK to remove.  They are double, and at times tripling, the
> expense account entries and values...c) this one involves opening
> balances.
> 
> what should a opening balance be offset with ?  To me, this is a magical
> entry, and its source, whether credit or debit, is of no importance.   There
> is only one Opening balance account in the equity group.  In am starting in
> the middle of the year and the accounts have existed for a while there are
> opening balances for all Equities, Liabilities, and Assets. Should there be
> others ?.
> My background is engineering, the transfer of electrons is well understood. 
> Accounting, and its nuances, are not.
> Again, thanks for all of your insight.
> Kevin 
> 
> On Saturday, June 18, 2022, 05:29:56 PM CDT, David T.  > wrote:  
>  
>  The confusion arises when you use "entry" for both splits and transactions in
> the same paragraph, as you did here. 
> 
> On June 18, 2022 4:57:57 PM EDT, Gyle McCollam  wrote:
> When I say entry, I refer to the entire transaction, but I get your point. 
> 
> 
> Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> 
> 
>  Original message From: "David T."  Date:
> 6/18/22 4:24 PM (GMT-05:00) To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org, Gyle McCollam <
> gmccol...@live.com>, David Carlson , Kevin T <
> neviki...@yahoo.com>Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org Subject: Re: [GNC] rookie
> question Imbalance-USD 
> Gyle,
> 
> Whether you delete the imbalance account or not once it is empty is a user
> preference. Some dislike seeing the imbalance account in their books, and
> delete it if it is empty. Others (like myself and you) leave that account in
> place. I leave it because it just reappears again later anyways when you miss
> an entry. 
> 
> Also, I'll note that you made a misleading statement late in the first
> paragraph when you said that "If he deletes the entry, he will delete it from
> the other accounts as well." In this instance, I think you meant to say "If h

Re: [GNC] Help

[davidcousens49]

Eric,

The image you attached did not appear to contain anything. Presumably you raised
an invoice when you billed the client which would have created an entry debiting
Accounts Receivable and crediting the appropriate income account. 

To record the bad debt you would create a transaction which credited Accounts
Receivable and debited Expense:Bad Debts. This will cancel out the amount
credited to Income in the original invoice. I had no difficulty creating such an
entry in V4.10 with a test account setup for the business features. There was no
limitation on the account selection when I created the transaction in the
Accounts Receivable register. 

The Help manual
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-help/busnss-ar-payment1.html has a
description of how to do this using the process payment process which does have
a restriction on processing the payment to an expense account. The key is to
select an asset account (e.g. cheque account) when creating the transaction in
Process payment and then after the transaction is created change the account
from the asset account to the Expense:Bad Debt account. It is only the process
payment procedure which has a restriction on the type of account you can select
for a payment and there is no way that GnuCash could internally differentiate
between a payment to an Bad Debts expense account and any other expense account 
 as there isn't a specific account type for bad debts.

David Cousens

On Tue, 2022-06-21 at 19:43 +, Eric Hammond wrote:
> I was not paid by a client, and have 'written it off', but how do I book it in
> GnuCash?
> Standard business practice is to post it in to an expense account such as 'Bad
> Debt' or 'Uncollectable'.
> I have created the account 'Expenses:Bad Debt' but GnuCash does not allow me
> to select it, apparently only accepting an asset account.
> 
> Thank you for the help,
> 
> Eric
> 
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Re: [GNC] Help

[davidcousens49]

Apologies Derek,

I hadn't seen you post before putting up my own reply. I tend to go through my
emails serially. I'll remember to switch the grouping by threads on in my
client.

David 


On Tue, 2022-06-21 at 19:41 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:
> David,
> 
> On Tue, June 21, 2022 7:20 pm, davidcousen...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Eric,
> > 
> [snip]
> > To record the bad debt you would create a transaction which credited
> > Accounts
> > Receivable and debited Expense:Bad Debts. This will cancel out the amount
> > credited to Income in the original invoice. I had no difficulty creating
> > such an
> > entry in V4.10 with a test account setup for the business features. There
> > was no
> > limitation on the account selection when I created the transaction in the
> > Accounts Receivable register.
> 
> Just creating the transaction directly is not sufficient -- you still have
> to map it to the Customer to "pay" the invoice.
> 
> > The Help manual
> > https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-help/busnss-ar-payment1.html has
> > a
> > description of how to do this using the process payment process which does
> > have
> > a restriction on processing the payment to an expense account. The key is
> > to
> > select an asset account (e.g. cheque account) when creating the
> > transaction in
> > Process payment and then after the transaction is created change the
> > account
> > from the asset account to the Expense:Bad Debt account. It is only the
> > process
> > payment procedure which has a restriction on the type of account you can
> > select
> > for a payment and there is no way that GnuCash could internally
> > differentiate
> > between a payment to an Bad Debts expense account and any other expense
> > account
> >  as there isn't a specific account type for bad debts.
> 
> Yes, which is the process I pointed out several hours ago.  :)
> 
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Re: [GNC] Combining Method in Chapter 11 and Standalone Security

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Bite,

The overall methodology is the same although the calculation of the unrealized
gain or loss is slightly different from the example - there is no external
valuation just recording a stock price. A new valuation of a painting is
essentially the same as a change in an updated stock price stock price etc. To
calculate the unrealized gain or loss over a period it is the number of
securities held over the period x the difference between prices at the start and
end date of the period over which you evaluate the unrealized gains and losses
gain/loss = N*(price at end - price at start). You can choose any period which
is convenient for your purpose so long as you have obtained a price at the end
date of the period - it need not be at a fixed interval. The intervals do have
to be contiguous, i.e. the end date of one period is the start date of the next.
If you sell at a particular point it becomes a realized gain/loss for the number
of securities involved in the sell and the unrealized gain goes to zero for the
securities you have sold, but not for any you continue to hold and a buy
increases the number of securities in the calculation going forward. 
You will need to maintain your cost base for CGT purposes. To do this you would
use sub-accounts of the main stock account (of type stock) one for the recording
of the initial purchase cost and susequent any buy/sell operation and the second
to record the unrealized gains/losses as in Ch11. You will need a corresponding
income account which is not included in your taxable income against which the
unrealized gains and losses are recorded as in the Ch11 example.  A gain will
debit your security's unrealized gains/Losses account and credit your
Income:Unrelaized Gains and Losses account by the amount of the gain while a
loss will reverse the debit and credit accounts. As David T pointed out the
major problem is keeping the cost base evaluation valid if you are buying and
selling only part (lots) of the holding in any given security but this is
independent of the unrealized gains/losses.

David Cousens

On Fri, 2022-06-24 at 08:48 +0800, Gao Bite wrote:
> GnuCash developers & Maintainers:
> 
> Hello! I have found several issues when I am reading your "Tutorial and 
> Concepts Guide". When I reads methods in the 11th chapter,I have found 
> that its example is based on non-fungible asset like painting. However, 
> what I am expecting is that records capital gains for fungible 
> securities (stock, bonds, ETF, etc.). How can I apply method in this 
> chapter to these type of assets?
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Bite Gao
> June 19th, 2022
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Re: [GNC] Could Not Obtain Lock

[davidcousens49]

Might be time to upgrade to the latest version. This problem now does not exist
in V4.11 on Linux (Mint 20.3) and or Windows. You can close the app either from
the menu or by using the window close icon in the top RH of the window and the
lock is removed. A system restart with the app still open is still going to
leave the lock in place in which case you just select the Open Anyway on the
dialogue when it comes up. If you do upgrade check the wiki for instructions.

On Mon, 2022-06-27 at 10:22 +0200, rsbrux via gnucash-user wrote:
> I am still on GC v 2.6.19 under Ubuntu 18.04, and experience this problem
> frequently, even when I am *absolutely sure* that GnuCash was correctly closed
> after the last use.  At least in GC 2.6.19 it appears that GC does not allow
> for possible delays in mounting volumes in Ubuntu.  The problem has gotten
> worse since I offloaded the GC data file to my NAS.  If I wait to start GC for
> a few minutes after logging in, or start some other applications first, the
> problem does not occur.
> --
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 19:53:04 +
> From: Gyle McCollam 
> To: Abe Sternberg , Glenn Fowler
>   
> Cc: GnuCash users group 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Could Not Obtain Lock
> Message-ID:
>   <
> blapr06mb68027ed731c14ff8d870bccfca...@blapr06mb6802.namprd06.prod.outlook.com
> >
>   
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Abe,
> I have had this issue as well.  It usually occurs when I forgot to save before
> closing.  It asks if I want to save, but no matter the reply, it doesn't save
> and doesn't close properly.  I was told it was fixed and i am waiting the 4.11
> update as well.  Hope this solves your issue when released.
> 
> 
> Thank You,
> 
> Gyle McCollam
> 
> Gyle McCollam
> 
> gmccol...@live.com   email
> 
> 
> From: gnucash-user  on
> behalf of Abe Sternberg 
> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 3:22 PM
> To: Glenn Fowler 
> Cc: GnuCash users group 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Could Not Obtain Lock
> 
> I am using Windows 11.  I try to close GnuCash properly, though there have
> been times when I may not have.  Also, I have had some Windows updates while
> GnuCash was left open.  I will look for the update and advise if the error
> continues.
> 
> Thanks,
> Abe
> 
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 2:30 PM Glenn Fowler  wrote:
> 
> > Hi Abe,
> > 
> > Are you on Windows and how are you closing GnuCash? There was a bug 
> > that would cause this that is fixed in v4.11 being released today
> > 
> > On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 2:00 PM Abe Sternberg 
> > 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > I get this message every time I open GnuCash. It doesn't seem to 
> > > cause any damage but is an annoyance.  Does anyone know what causes 
> > > this and how to correct it?
> > >  [image: image.png]
> > > 
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> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 16:39:36 -0400
> From: Michael or Penny Novack 
> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Could Not Obtain Lock
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
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> On 6/26/2022 3:22 PM, Abe Sternberg wrote:
> > I am using Windows 11.  I try to close GnuCash properly, though there 
> > have been times when I may not have.  Also, I have had some Windows 
> > updates while GnuCash was left open.  I will look for the update and 
> > advise if the error continues.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Abe
> > 
> a) "file in use" << that's what "cannot obtain lock file" means >> if CORRECT
> if you have not closed gnucash properly. This is not unique to gnucash but
> normal for any application using the "lock file" method of preventing multiple
> access to data.
> 
>  ??? IF you are certain the file is not in use (by another instance of
> gnucash) you can override if/when the application provides an easy way to do
> that. Or you can go into the directory (file folder) where the data file lives
> and delete the lock file -- it will always be in the sa

Re: [GNC] Uneven line spacing in Accounts list since 4.11

[davidcousens49]

My only experience of this in 4.11 on Linux mint was when I had the Notes field
displayed and had Notes with more than one line associated with an account.
Turning the display of the Note column off left the extra spaces unless I
collapsed and expanded the account tree.


On Sun, 2022-07-03 at 09:05 +, Gyle McCollam wrote:
> I am using 4.11 on windows 11, but not dark theme, and I don't have this issue
> either.
> 
> Gyle
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> 
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Adrien Monteleone 
> Date: 7/3/22 1:00 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Uneven line spacing in Accounts list since 4.11
> 
> Weird. Definitely not on Mac BigSur as far as I can tell.
> 
> Likely something OS specific.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 6/30/22 7:00 PM, dull...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I think since 4.11 (am using Windows 11 and a dark theme), I notice very odd
> > random line spacing in Account list window (the default window when I open
> > Gnucash)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I see the lines for each sub-accounts are not evenly distributed - spacing
> > seems completely random (some have space above and below, others do not)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I have attached a partial screenshot showing this uneven spacing for the
> > subaccounts  (if the mailing list supports attachments?)
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Re: [GNC] Transaction imports

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Christian,

The import data matching information is stored in the individual data file. Not
sure about import configuraion information. See the following for more info.
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-guide/basics-migrate-settings.html
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-guide/basics-migrate-settings.html

David Cousens


On Tue, 2022-07-05 at 14:52 +0200, Christian Lynbech wrote:
> Where is the information related to transaction imports saved? I am on a Mac.
> 
> I have my books stored under revision control but when I wanted to do an
> CSV import on a another machine, I did not see the import I have defined
> when running Gnucash on my main computer. I am guessing/fearing that
> this also applies to the learned matching of transactions to accounts.
> 
> How would I replicate such information between computers?
> 
>/Christian
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Re: [GNC] Online Help manual CSV import section is out of date

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David,

That was likely my bad. I rewrote the Importer documentation a couple of years
ago after Geert had completed a major rewrite of the CSV importer and importer
code in general. I was working primarily from experimentation with the program
and only a passing acquaintance with some areas of the code. Unfortunately I
don't make a lot of use of the CSV importer these days as most of my imports are
now OFX. I have been sidetracked on some physics work over the past few years
and haven't revisited it recently. The working of the append feature at that
time wasn't very clear to me but there has been a bit of discussion in the
mailing list I can possibly draw on. I will try to make some time to search out
any recent changes in the append behaviour and update the docs and relook at the
use of category in that context. It may be useful to reference it explicitly to
the use of categories in other programs users may be importing data from, and
again point out explicitly that categories in other programs map onto accounts
in Gnucash. Most people importing from Quicken are unlikely to use CSV though.

David Cousens

On Sun, 2022-07-17 at 12:23 -0500, David Carlson wrote:
> reference:https://gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=4&lang=C&doc=help
> 
> I wanted to report that one of the help pages for CSV file imports
> contained the word category, at least in the release 4.8 release, but I
> found that the release 4.11 online Help manual does not have the correct
> information specifically for importing in the GnuCash Export format.
> Specifically, it does not have an image of the third step instructions
> prior to the matching step which has the word category in it and it does
> not cover the new features optionally showing the matched fields or
> explaining what the append feature does.
> 
> I am not sure what is actually bundled with release 4.11
> 
> Unfortunately I do not have the time to try to fix this myself.
> 

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Re: [GNC] Online Help manual CSV import section is out of date

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I think David  Carlson was principally referring to the temrinology using"
category". When I rewrote  the importer section last time there was a major
reorganisation of the guide and help in progress and it was suggestsed that it
was more appropriate to the Help manual as it is largely a button by button
description of the interface, although it is hard to separate that totally from
illustrations of how to use it. I think he intention at that time was that the
help would be basically interface description and explanation and the guide
would be more oriented towards illustrating how to achieve specific accounting
objectives. I haven't caught up with what the current thinking.  I didn't cover
the appending of descriptions/memo and updating in any great detail at the time
as I hadn't been through the code on that section. I likely won't make too much
progress in the next week or two as I have a few other things on over the next
few weeks.  It is always a problem keeping it modernized as the external
technologies used are changing. In some ways I think it is better to keep the
basic stuff as simple as possible. GnuCash is used widely in many different
juridictions with considerable variation in practice in the banking sector.
Europe seems to lead the way and Australia is hanging on to the end of the tail
, at least in some respects. The demands of Digital Rights Management in the
banking sector will bring some improvements there I'm told by my son who works
as a developer in the area. One of the other David's (David Taylor I think ) was
organising the rearrangement of the Help Manual and the Guide around 2020. Feel
free to contribute any changes you think are warranted. 
David Cousens

On Mon, 2022-07-18 at 14:44 +1000, flywire wrote:
> I think the GnuCash Tutorial and Concepts Guide is an excellent
> introduction for Getting Started and Managing Personal Finances. The small
> dataset demonstrates a lot. The only thing that really looks dated is the
> checkbook-style transaction descriptions which are very different to modern
> bank transaction descriptions. I understand from general comments in the
> mailing list that others have a different view but I don't think those
> concerns have been clearly described, something that is needed to fix the
> problems.
> How about aligning the Help manual Importing transactions from files with the
> Concepts guide transactions? IIRC that's how it was when this section was in
> the guide. I'm happy to contribute.
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Re: [GNC] New User Oh boy I need an accountant

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Phyllis,

The problem with the import is the negative sign on the Debit/Withdrawal column.
GnuCash expects this to be a positive quantity when the debits and credits are
in separate columns, i.e if both columns are specified then both columns are
positive. If the data is in a single column then negative for the debits and
positive for the credits (in the bank's account) will work fine. You would
normally apply only the Deposit header to that single column (if they import in
reverse order, then you would apply the Withdrawal header)

 In the third image, the import matcher window, the background color is yellow
because the second account ( you are importing to the GnuCash account
corresponding to your checking account) and you will need to assign, generally
an income or expense account and occasionally an asset or liability account in
most cases for the second entry (split in GnuCash terminology) for the
transaction. If the reason for this isn't clear, the introductory chapter of the
Gnucash guide (https://code.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-guide/chapter_basics.html
) has a brief outline of the relevant accounting concepts.

David Cousens


On Mon, 2022-07-18 at 17:32 -0500, Phyllis Bruce wrote:
> I am getting too many unanticipated results.  Watched many YouTube videos
> since I cannot make sense of the Help manual.  I have added accounts where
> they appear to belong, added my opening balances, and imported a couple CSV
> files from a bank account.
> 
> Here is the CSV:   Note columns for Withdrawal and Deposit
> [image: 0fb3e81e-c69c-40b2-b876-6cd92092afe4.png]
> 
> [image: image.png]
> 
> Here is the bank journal showing the transactions and transfer accounts:
> Everything a deposit?!
> [image: image.png]
> 
> I'm not so far into this that I can't start over but it has taken me two
> days to create this mess.
> 
> Any help will be greatly appreciated.  Next question will be how can I
> enter my retirement income in a split transaction that shows total benefit,
> deductions and net income?  Of course the bank only records the net.
> 
> Best regards, po   (aka Phyllis Bruce)
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Re: [GNC] Revising an old Gnucash file

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Tom,

You can make accounts hidden. Edit the account in the Account tab and select the
hidden button in the dialogue. You can always then use the right click in the
Accounts tab, select Find Account and unhide them in future. If you delete an
account you can choose another account for any splits to the deleted account to
be redirected to. 

David Cousens

On Tue, 2022-07-19 at 15:27 -0500, Tom Browder wrote:
> I have my original Gnucase file which has been continually used (for about
> 15 years)  mainly as a simple check book app to replace Quicken. I am
> motivated now to (1) improve the account structure and (2) start moving
> toward a properly used double-entry system so I can use the full power of
> Gnucash.
> 
> Is there any way to ignore accounts while incrementally working on tidying
> up my mess? Or should I just give up and start afresh (ugh)?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
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Re: [GNC] Online Help manual CSV import section is out of date

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David,

I had a look at both Chapter 3 in the Tutorial and GUide on Importing and Ch6 in
the Help Manual. What has happened was the decision was made to move the
importing section into the help manual a couple of years ago when I rewrote the
Ch6 in the Help manual so I created the rewritten section in the Help manual and
the original remains in the  Tutorial and Concepts Guide. It should have been
removed but I neglected to do it at the time. There is no reference to category
in the Ch6 of the Help manual. 

I will submit a patch to remove Ch3 in the Guide and will simply add a note that
information on importing data is now in the Help manual.

Cheers

David Cousens


On Mon, 2022-07-18 at 01:36 -0500, David Carlson wrote:
> I had not looked at the Tutorial version on importing transactions
> recently.  I see it is now calling itself obsolete and it really is.  I do
> not want to get into a discussion about which document should contain what
> information, but neither should be obsolete.  One of them should be very
> detailed and could be referenced by the other.
> 
> The help windows included with the import wizards are currently the best
> source of information but they are only available while using the wizards.
> Unfortunately it is a very slow process to complete an import if there are
> more than a dozen or so transactions in the file, and I think even that
> fact should be mentioned in the  help.  There is no help at all for
> importing multi-split line transactions which did work correctly for me
> with a bank account file created by the GnuCash export process.
> 
> The help manual bundled with the Windows version of release 4.11 at least
> contains a couple current illustrations if not good information about the
> various details that are needed to get good results.  It is the third
> import screen which is not illustrated in the help manual that contains the
> word category which has a different meaning to former Quicken users than to
> GnuCash users.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 11:45 PM flywire  wrote:
> 
> > I think the GnuCash Tutorial and Concepts Guide is an excellent
> > introduction for Getting Started and Managing Personal Finances. The small
> > dataset demonstrates a lot. The only thing that really looks dated is the
> > checkbook-style transaction descriptions which are very different to modern
> > bank transaction descriptions. I understand from general comments in the
> > mailing list that others have a different view but I don't think those
> > concerns have been clearly described, something that is needed to fix the
> > problems.
> > 
> > How about aligning the Help manual Importing transactions from files with
> > the Concepts guide transactions? IIRC that's how it was when this section
> > was in the guide. I'm happy to contribute.
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Re: [GNC] Another crash

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Phyllis,

This message means that the last time you exited, the data file was not closed
properly which would have happened when the program or your computer crashed.
If you select the Open Anyway option and this will clear the lock file and allow
the data file to be opened.  

GC 4.11 on Linux Mint has no problem creating a new account while the Import
Matcher window is open and I don't ever remember having any problem doing it in
earlier versions, i.e. the Import Matcher window is not modal- it doesn't have
to be shut down to allow you to do other operations. How are you trying to
create a new expense account -the easiest is to right click on the parent
account in the Accounts tab and then select New Account? This should bring up a
New Account dialogue and give it the correct position in your chart of accounts.
Behaviour can sometimes subtly different on Windows but the developers usually
make sure it as as close to the same on the different operating systems as is
possible.

One possible cause for a freeze is if the New Account window does not open at
the front of the display and remains hidden behind another window. If your OS
has a taskbar if you can find the window on that clicking on the icon in the
taskbar  will usually bring it to the front. I rarely use Windows but I think an
icon should appear even for a modal window in the taskbar - knaow even less
about Macs.

You can find information on the wiki for getting more complete logging debugging
information from the following wiki pages:
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Logging
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Windows_Debugging
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Tracefile
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Stack_Trace

David Cousens.

On Sat, 2022-07-23 at 20:05 -0500, Phyllis Bruce wrote:
> [image: image.png]Here is all of it.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jul 23, 2022 at 8:00 PM Phyllis Bruce  wrote:
> 
> > [image: image.png]
> > 
> > Well, it has happened again but this time I snipped the message.  The
> > database froze while I was in the process of matching CC transactions.
> > Note the "Play file.gnucash"  Not taking chances on my real one anymore.  I
> > went to the task manager and ended the task.  This is the message that
> > appeared when I tried to reopen the program.  I was only a few minutes into
> > the process so it's no big loss.
> > 
> > I imported one month of QFX transactions and was matching them to the
> > expense ledger.
> > The category I wanted did not exist.
> > I needed to create a new category.
> > Freeze
> > 
> > If it's not the program, what can I be doing wrong?
> > 
> > Thanks as always for your support.
> > 
> 
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Re: [GNC] Trading accounts

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Fred,

Not early in the guide, but in the section dealing with multiple currencies
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-guide/currency_trading_accts.html and
discussed on the wiki (https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Trading_Accounts). 

I don't think anyone has yet written anything about any application to trading
stocks and I don't think they are intended to be applied there. 

It is recommended to read the guide and help manual fully  before using GnuCash.
I didn't, like many other users, but I did have a general accounting background
coming in. You will find a lot of discussion in the mailing list archives re
stock trading and unrealized gains and losses..

If they were mentioned earlier it is likely they would confuse new users with
limited experience of double entry accounting and accounting practice. It is a
compromise to get new users in the door. 

Trading counts are about providing information in the accounts for unrealized
gains and losses involving currency transactions.

It is not normal accounting practice to recognize unrealized gains or losses in
the books as income/expenses and the circumstances under which they may be
recognized in some jurisdictions are likely to be highly variable. They are not
normally taxable until the gains are actually realized in the majority of
jurisdictions. That is why they aren't a default option.

I wouldn't think there is any need to redo past transactions unless the
information re unrealized gains and losses through currency exchange
transactions is necessary for some specific reporting process.

David Cousens

On Tue, 2022-07-26 at 18:46 -0400, Fred Tydeman wrote:
> Over the past several months, I have been importing Quicken data into
> GnuCash.  There is about 6 years of data and lots of transactions.  Besides
> normal income and expenses, that data involved many different stocks and
> many different currencies.  Recently, I saw a reference to "Trading"
> accounts.  I have now enabled that feature.  Based on reading
> https://www.mathstat.dal.ca/~selinger/accounting/tutorial, I believe that
> my old transactions that involve currencies (and maybe stocks and other
> assets whose value varies) were done wrong.
> 
> Do I need to redo old transactions involving currencies?
> Do I need to redo old transactions involving stocks?
> Do I need to redo old transactions involving any assets whose price
> varies?  This probably depends upon the asset, eg. no for Real Estate.
> 
> Is there an easy way to fix the mess I have created?
> 
> Aside:  I do not recall any mention of trading accounts in the Tutorial
> early on when it talked about setting up the Chart of Accounts.

> 
> What is the reason that Trading accounts are not turned on by default?


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Re: [GNC] Online Help manual CSV import section is out of date

[davidcousens49]

Frank

That sounds like a good way to deal with it. I will try and put an appropriate
patch  in place in the next week or two.

David

On Wed, 2022-07-27 at 10:12 +0200, Frank H. Ellenberger wrote:
> Hi David,
> 
> perhaps you can do it slightly different. I agree to remove all the
> technical details.
> 
> But you should insert a small tutorial with:
> Import in small chunks.
> Assign the proper account while importing to teach teach Bayes.
> Verify your data after each import.
> Save often!
> Other user misunderstandings and mistakes watched here on the list.
> 
> Regards
> Frank
> 
> Am 21.07.22 um 08:34 schrieb davidcousen...@gmail.com:
> > David,
> > 
> > I had a look at both Chapter 3 in the Tutorial and GUide on Importing and
> > Ch6 in
> > the Help Manual. What has happened was the decision was made to move the
> > importing section into the help manual a couple of years ago when I rewrote
> > the
> > Ch6 in the Help manual so I created the rewritten section in the Help manual
> > and
> > the original remains in the  Tutorial and Concepts Guide. It should have
> > been
> > removed but I neglected to do it at the time. There is no reference to
> > category
> > in the Ch6 of the Help manual. 
> > 
> > I will submit a patch to remove Ch3 in the Guide and will simply add a note
> > that
> > information on importing data is now in the Help manual.
> > 
> > Cheers
> > 
> > David Cousens

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Re: [GNC] computer with Linux

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James,

I presume you downloaded Linux Mint 20.3. Did you choose the Cinnamon desktop or
one of the pther options? 

There are several options on Linux Mint to get GnuCash installed. The version
supplied by the Software Manager is 2.2.9 which is well out of date with the
current version 4.11. If you haven't found it yet, the Software Manager is
started from the Menu icon in the lower LH corner of the desktop. It has an icon
which is a lime green circle filed with an array of dots in a rounded square
icon. Typing GnuCash in the Search bar will bring up the instalation for both
the version in the repository and the Flathub version. This is also the version
of GNuCash installed when you use the "sudo apt install gnucash" terminal
command. If you do use the terminal command it is usualy a good idea to run
"sudo apt update" and "sudo apt upgrade" as a matter of course. This will ensure
the  apt cache is up to date on your computer before you do the install.

There is also an option to install a Flathub version of GNuCash in the software
manager and that will install the current version 4.11. Flathub is a sandbox
system which sometimes requires appropriate permissions to access the system
resource but should run without any problem. If you do have problems come back
to the mailing list. AFAIK the Flathub version is the same as the download of
the Flathub version from the GnuCashsite.



The final option is to build GnuCash from the source code if you are familiar
with building software on computers and like to stay up with the latest version
at all times. There are instructions on the Gnucash wiki 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Building_On_Linux


Davis Cousens
On Sun, 2022-07-31 at 18:27 +, James Baxter via gnucash-user wrote:
> I have a 15 year old laptop computer. it has Linux Mint. i just down load it
> about 3 weeks ago.I am looking to down load Gnucash, as i am not able to. I
> have been through all the items to do with Gnucash, as i don't see a think on
> the type of computers.
> thanks
> 
> My Name is James Baxter. my email address is kangaro...@yahoo.com
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Re: [GNC] computer with Linux

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Thanks Adrien,

The Software Manager has an image which had 2.2.9 on it. I didn't scroll down to
the details, just assumed the image was of the installed version - my bad.

apt-cache policy gnucash 
also lists it as 3.8 the same package as the Ubuntu archive.

I hadn't realized LM 21 was out. I only checked a couple of weeks ago. 

David 

On Sun, 2022-07-31 at 20:59 -0500, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> David, I just checked a VM of Mint 20.3 I have and the GnuCash version 
> is 3.8, not 2.2.9. Mint 20.x appears to be based on Ubuntu Focal. (20.04)
> 
> Still, yes, 3.8 is quite aged, but not as ancient as 2.2.9.
> 
> Mint 21 Vanessa was released and I see it has 4.8 in its repo. (based on 
> upstream Ubuntu 22.04, so presumably that's what Ubuntu Jammy users get 
> too, though I haven't checked)
> 
> That's much more reasonably 'recent' if someone doesn't want to tread 
> the Flatpak waters. Though, since it is so easy to install, I'd 
> recommend that route too.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 7/31/22 5:44 PM, davidcousen...@gmail.com wrote:
> > James,
> > 
> > I presume you downloaded Linux Mint 20.3. Did you choose the Cinnamon
> > desktop or
> > one of the pther options?
> > 
> > There are several options on Linux Mint to get GnuCash installed. The
> > version
> > supplied by the Software Manager is 2.2.9 which is well out of date with the
> > current version 4.11. If you haven't found it yet, the Software Manager is
> > started from the Menu icon in the lower LH corner of the desktop. It has an
> > icon
> > which is a lime green circle filed with an array of dots in a rounded square
> > icon. Typing GnuCash in the Search bar will bring up the instalation for
> > both
> > the version in the repository and the Flathub version. This is also the
> > version
> > of GNuCash installed when you use the "sudo apt install gnucash" terminal
> > command. If you do use the terminal command it is usualy a good idea to run
> > "sudo apt update" and "sudo apt upgrade" as a matter of course. This will
> > ensure
> > the  apt cache is up to date on your computer before you do the install.
> > 
> > There is also an option to install a Flathub version of GNuCash in the
> > software
> > manager and that will install the current version 4.11. Flathub is a sandbox
> > system which sometimes requires appropriate permissions to access the system
> > resource but should run without any problem. If you do have problems come
> > back
> > to the mailing list. AFAIK the Flathub version is the same as the download
> > of
> > the Flathub version from the GnuCashsite.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The final option is to build GnuCash from the source code if you are
> > familiar
> > with building software on computers and like to stay up with the latest
> > version
> > at all times. There are instructions on the Gnucash wiki
> > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Building_On_Linux
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash

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James,

Please direct replies to the list not to individual list participants. If your
email client has a Reply to List feature  please us that or include the mailing
list address Gnucash Users , in the To: box. This
allows all list participants to see and learn from the posts and also to reply
to them. We often have different backgrounds and experience using GnuCash. We
also live in different jurisdictions around the world  so it allows people with
more experience relevant to your problem to reply.

You can display any account registers you wish. If you double click on icon at
the left of the specific account in the chart of accounts display in the
Accounts tab in the main window you will open the register for that account. You
can have any combination of accounts open in the window and open and open and
close them at will.

The GnuCash Help Manual https://lists.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-help/help.html 
and the Tutorial and Concepts Guide 
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-guide.pdf also have a lot of detailed
information on working with GnuCash and covers typical operations for bank
acocounts and credit cards. 

David Cousens

On Mon, 2022-08-01 at 16:20 +, James Baxter wrote:
> Sir, 
> As i down loaded Gnucash last night. I manage to get it started. I place about
> 4 months worth of bank statments into it, Only to delite al buy this month. I
> was looking at a large amount in the red. I fixed that.
> 
> I am wondering if I can get all the acounts across the top. One bank acc,
> three Saving, on credit  card)
> 
> thanks
> James Baxter
> Ph,  4044142100

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Re: [GNC] Confusing and inconsistent headers in transaction entry and report forms

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Peter

The terms Increase and Decrease in the header only apply to the account whose
register you have open not to the accounts which are the target of the
individual split(entry) of the transaction and not to the account which is
designated in the second split. It would appear that you have the register for
your checking account open and a debit entry is an Increase in that.  If there
was a credit split/entry to your checking account it would appear in the
decrease column. The second line of the transaction is the corresponding credit
entry to the revenue account. This is why we accountants find the headers
Increase/Decrease confusing. 

You are not making entries in a "transaction entry" window in GnuCash but you
are performing the transaction entry directly into the register for that account
itself. 

David Cousens

On Mon, 2022-08-01 at 17:13 -0400, Peter S. Shenkin wrote:
> Hi, I'm using Gnucash 4.11 on MacOS 11.6.8.
> 
> There are two images attached, labeled Transaction entry and Transaction
> report. They are two different views of the same transaction, to a non
> profit that I am doing the books for.
> 
> The transaction involves a deposit to our checking account from Wepay. It's
> a donation, which we account for under Revenue:Donations, which increases
> with a Credit, and the bank account will increase with a Debit, so this
> should be properly balanced.
> 
> However, from the Transaction-entry screen shot, where the column labels
> are Increase and Decrease, I have to enter the Donation as a Decrease in
> order to make the Donation record increase. This is bizarre, is it not?
> 
> You can see in the same image that the checking balance goes up. so it
> seems to be properly recorded as a debit; in addition, though not shown,
> the sum of Donations does goes up, which seems contrary to having to enter
> it as a Decrease.
> 
> Now look at the second screenshot, the Transaction-report view for this
> transaction. What is especially strange here is that the labels of the
> Debit and Credit columns are exactly reversed. It says that the Checking
> side of the transaction is a Credit and the Donation side is a Debit, which
> is exactly backwards.
> 
> Any insight, including any aspect due to my own foolishness and/or
> inexperience, would be appreciated.
> 
> -P.
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Re: [GNC] Confusing and inconsistent headers in transaction entry and report forms

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Peter 
I do agree the Debit and Credit column headers appear to be reversed on the
Transaction Report in your original post . I have just run a Transaction report
 (GC 4.11) on one of my bank accounts and it reports my income (payments into
the account)  correctly as debits and expenses (payments from the account) as
credits. I thought it could possibly be related to the use of the 
non-accounting 
labels which I tend to use rather than the informal headers. I have just changed
to the informal headers in my preferences and rerun the transaction report and
the column headers are still correct so that does not appear to be the problem.
Did that transaction come out with debits and credits correctly in the account
register  when you selected the formal accounting labels preference?
David Cousens

On Mon, 2022-08-01 at 19:35 -0400, Peter S. Shenkin wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I made up the name "transaction entry" because I didn't know what to call
> it. 😊 I didn't know there was such a thing as a transaction entry window.
> 
> If I had the Donations account open, I would have had the same kind of
> problem. 
> 
> Per Gyle's suggestion it looks like I can switch to the good old Credit /
> Debit labels.
> 
> Also, the second part of my question involved the Transaction report. There
> the headings at the top seem backwards. They are labeled Credit and Debit, but
> where I entered a Debit, it appears in the Credit column and vice versa.  Any
> comment on this?
> 
> -P.
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 6:23 PM  wrote:
> > Peter
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The terms Increase and Decrease in the header only apply to the account
> > whose
> > 
> > register you have open not to the accounts which are the target of the
> > 
> > individual split(entry) of the transaction and not to the account which is
> > 
> > designated in the second split. It would appear that you have the register
> > for
> > 
> > your checking account open and a debit entry is an Increase in that.  If
> > there
> > 
> > was a credit split/entry to your checking account it would appear in the
> > 
> > decrease column. The second line of the transaction is the corresponding
> > credit
> > 
> > entry to the revenue account. This is why we accountants find the headers
> > 
> > Increase/Decrease confusing. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > You are not making entries in a "transaction entry" window in GnuCash but
> > you
> > 
> > are performing the transaction entry directly into the register for that
> > account
> > 
> > itself. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > David Cousens
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 2022-08-01 at 17:13 -0400, Peter S. Shenkin wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi, I'm using Gnucash 4.11 on MacOS 11.6.8.
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > There are two images attached, labeled Transaction entry and Transaction
> > 
> > > report. They are two different views of the same transaction, to a non
> > 
> > > profit that I am doing the books for.
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > The transaction involves a deposit to our checking account from Wepay.
> > It's
> > 
> > > a donation, which we account for under Revenue:Donations, which increases
> > 
> > > with a Credit, and the bank account will increase with a Debit, so this
> > 
> > > should be properly balanced.
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > However, from the Transaction-entry screen shot, where the column labels
> > 
> > > are Increase and Decrease, I have to enter the Donation as a Decrease in
> > 
> > > order to make the Donation record increase. This is bizarre, is it not?
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > You can see in the same image that the checking balance goes up. so it
> > 
> > > seems to be properly recorded as a debit; in addition, though not shown,
> > 
> > > the sum of Donations does goes up, which seems contrary to having to enter
> > 
> > > it as a Decrease.
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Now look at the second screenshot, the Transaction-report view for this
> > 
> > > transaction. What is especially strange here is that the labels of the
> > 
> > > Debit and Credit columns are exactly reversed. It says that the Checking
> > 
> > > side of the transaction is a Credit and the Donation side is a Debit,
> > which
> > 
> > > is exactly backwards.
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Any insight, including any aspect due to my own foolishness and/or
> > 
> > > inexperience, would be appreciated.
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > -P.
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Re: [GNC] Confusing and inconsistent headers in transaction entry and report forms

[davidcousens49]

Peter,Yes it is working correctly in Gnucash 4.11 on Linux Mint 20.3  and has
always worked that way in the past.  The coding for the transaction reports is
in Scheme and separate from the main GnuCash code so I would not expect a change
in the preferences for the register display to affect the Transaction Report in
any case but it was a simple test.  A bug of that type in the main code will
likely be picked up very quickly  and similarly with the Transaction Report.  It
is hard to think why it would be specific to the MacOSX unless it was perhaps  a
bug in a  library on the Mac b ut John Ralls may have some more  insight..  I
have rechecked both the register and rerun the transaction report again and the
same items show up as debits and credits  in both the register and the
Transaction report on my machine. 
 Can you repost the same transaction in the checking account register using the
formal accounting labels and perhaps then rerun the Transaction Report. The
latter doesn't rerun automatically . You have to edit the report options and
then hit Apply. I usually change a date on the date range , run the report and
change it back and then rerun it to force it to regenerate the report as the
Apply button is greyed out unless you change one of the report options.There
likely is a clever way to do it as well.David
On Mon, 2022-08-01 at 23:08 -0400, Peter S. Shenkin wrote:
> Regarding my question ("Possible GC bug?"), I just reread your response and
> realized that you actually said that in your hands it works correctly; I had
> thought you said the opposite. 
> 
> So though it could possibly be a bug just on MacOS (unless you're also on
> MacOS), I rather suspect that there is something screwy in the settings
> somewhere.
> 
> -P.
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 11:04 PM Peter S. Shenkin  wrote:
> > Hi, David,
> > 
> > I did try using both Increase/Decrease and Debit/Credit labeling in the
> > register, but the transaction report is unchanged.
> > 
> > I also saw an option in Preferences for Reversing either Credit Accounts, or
> > Income & Expense Accounts, or None. I really have no idea what that is
> > about, but GC seems to have been supplied with Credit Accounts selected, so
> > I thought I'd try with None. It didn't change the transaction report, so I
> > set it back to Credit Accounts.  I'll RTFM on that sometime, but it doesn't
> > appear to have anything to do with this...
> > 
> > Possible GC bug?
> > 
> > -P.
> > On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 10:52 PM  wrote:
> > > Peter 
> > > 
> > > I do agree the Debit and Credit column headers appear to be reversed on
> > > the
> > > 
> > > Transaction Report in your original post . I have just run a Transaction
> > > report
> > > 
> > >  (GC 4.11) on one of my bank accounts and it reports my income (payments
> > > into
> > > 
> > > the account)  correctly as debits and expenses (payments from the account)
> > > as
> > > 
> > > credits. I thought it could possibly be related to the use of the non-
> > > accounting 
> > > 
> > > labels which I tend to use rather than the informal headers. I have just
> > > changed
> > > 
> > > to the informal headers in my preferences and rerun the transaction report
> > > and
> > > 
> > > the column headers are still correct so that does not appear to be the
> > > problem.
> > > 
> > > Did that transaction come out with debits and credits correctly in the
> > > account
> > > 
> > > register  when you selected the formal accounting labels preference?
> > > 
> > > David Cousens
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Mon, 2022-08-01 at 19:35 -0400, Peter S. Shenkin wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > > I made up the name "transaction entry" because I didn't know what to
> > > call
> > > 
> > > > it. 😊 I didn't know there was such a thing as a transaction entry
> > > window.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > > If I had the Donations account open, I would have had the same kind of
> > > 
> > > > problem. 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > > Per Gyle's suggestion it looks like I can switch to the good old Credit
> > > /
> > > 
> > > > Debit labels.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > > Also, the second part of my question involved the Transaction report.
> > > There
> > > 
> > > > the headings at the top seem backwards. They are labeled Credit and
> > > Debit, but
> > > 
> > > > where I entered a Debit, it appears in the Credit column and vice
> > > versa.  Any
> > > 
> > > > comment on this?
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > > -P.
> > > 
> > > > On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 6:23 PM  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > Peter
> > > 
> > > > > 
> > > 
> > > > > 
> > > 
> > > > > 
> > > 
> > > > > The terms Increase and Decrease in the header only apply to the
> > > account
> > > 
> > > > > whose
> > > 
> > > > > 
> > > 
> > > > > register you have open not to the accounts which are the target of the
> > > 
> > > > > 
> > > 
> > > > > individual split(entry) of the transaction and not to the account
> > > which is
> > > 
> > > > > 
> > > 
> > > > > designated in the second split.

Re: [GNC] Random List Maintenance Question: Regarding Nabble

[davidcousens49]

David  

Since the Nabble interface went down I've been using the mail-archive mirrors 
https://www.mail-archive.com/gnucash-user@gnucash.org/, 
https://www.mail-archive.com/gnucash-devel@gnucash.org/. You can't edit or
submit a postfrom them but I find it helpful when following and replying  a
discussion in a thread to have them open in my browser. I don't know if they are
mentioned in the Wiki or not.

David Cousens



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> Hello, 
> 
> Since the Nabble mirror of Gnucash lists went down (last year?) and doesn't
> seem to be getting up again, is it time to remove references to it on the wiki
> and in every message filter? 
> 
> TIA,
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash

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James 

You haven't really given us much information to go on to help you. What
operating system are you using and what version of Gnucash did you install. If
you run GnuCash it will tell you the version number in the splash window at
startup or as usual Help ->About will list the information. It would appear you
ar using Windows but we can give more specific help if we know what operating
system you are using

GnuCash will create a datafile in memory if you start it up without specifying a
specific file. You will need to use the File->Save As menu item to create an XML
datafile on disk or to save to a database file (sqlite3, mysqletc) if you are
using the database backend ( not a godd idea except perhaps the sqlite3 unless
you are familiar with database management.  GnuCash will place the data file in
your home directory at wahtever location you specify using File->Save As. It is
usually a good idea to create a sub-directory specifically to contain the
GnuCash data files as GnuCash creates backup and log files (these have a
datetime stamp before the .gnucash file extension after the filename you give
it) each time you open it in the same directory as the datafile.

GnuCash is a full double entry accounting system. If you don't know what this
means you really need to read the introductory chapter (Basics ) of the Tutorial
Guide and the Getting Started section of the Help manual. The Help manual will
show you how to setup a chart of accounts and perform the common operations.
GnuCash is not a follow your nose application on a phone. The file Import
instructions in the Guide are out of date and not correct (currently being
replaced) and the Help manual Ch 6 has complete and current instructions on
importing data from other programs and bank downloads.

Where possible try posting a series  screen captures of the problem you are
facing. We them have a better idea of where you are, particularly until you
become familiar with the terminology used in GnuCash to describe the various
components.

Good Luck

David Cousens

On Tue, 2022-08-02 at 15:26 -0400, James Baxter via gnucash-user wrote:
> This is James Baxter, email kangaro...@yahoo.com
> 
> To let you all know, I think I am done with the program. I am looking at a
> screen and it is wear you find all the icons. Not looking good.
> 
> I placed two months of my bank statement in two times. I can’t find where I
> placed.
> 
> Thanks
> James Baxter 
> kangaro...@yahoo.com
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: [GNC] gnucash-user Digest, Vol 233, Issue 9

[davidcousens49]

James,

>From your earlier posts you are using Linux Mint. I didn't connect with your
post in another thread before. 

If you have successfully installed GnuCash in Linux Mint it will appear in the
desktop menu which is activated by clicking on or hovering over an icon which
looks like LM in a circle in the bottom left hand corner of your screen. That
should bring up the menu. There are three columns in the panel. If you hover
over the icons in the LH column you will see a short description of the icon
function shown at the bottom of the menu panel towards the right. the icons in
this column are usually related to system configuration and software
installation.
The second column are categories/groupings of the installed  applications and
the third column shows the applications which are available in a category when
it is selected in the second column. 
r
GnuCash is normally installed in the Office category so if you click on the
Office icon, it should appear in the thirid column from which you can run it by
clicking on the Gnucash icon. 

The top icon in the second column of the menu lists all applications in
alphabetical order in the third column. If it has somehow been installed under
another menu category/group you should find it in that list. If you can't find
it the All Applications list, then it is likely you have not managed to install
it correctly. 

You can drag icons from the menu to a panel in the Taskbar just to the right of
the LM icon for quick startup of commonly used applications.

GnuCash should open the last data file you had open by default if you had saved
the data or it had been autosaved ( there is a User preference for doing that at
specified intervals (see Edit=>Preferences in the Gnucash menu). If a popup
comes up telling you it is locked, that means you exited the program without
closing the file. Use the Open Anyway button.

You can find online tutorials for Linux Mint and the Cinnamon desktop using a
Google search and there is also a Linux Mint forum you can join for more
difficult problems

David Cousens


On Wed, 2022-08-03 at 08:45 -0400, James Baxter via gnucash-user wrote:
> This is James Baxter, email kangaro...@yahoo.com
> Every time I down load the Gnucash. I lose it. Is there an icon or a dest top
> to click on.
> From what I see of the program. I am more interested in getting it going.
> 
> If working with ? I can click on the dest top item.
> Still getting use to this
> James Baxter
> kangaro...@yahoo.com
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On Aug 3, 2022, at 8:37 AM, "gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org" <
> > gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org> wrote:
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> >   1. Re:  MacOS - could not complete critical test of libdbi (john)
> >   2.  Gnucash (James Baxter)
> >   3. Re:  MacOS - could not complete critical test of libdbi (David H)
> >   4. Re:  Gnucash (davidcousen...@gmail.com)
> >   5. Re:  Gnucash (David Carlson)
> >   6. Re:  Gnucash (James Baxter)
> >   7. Re:  Gnucash (David Carlson)
> >   8. Re:  Gnucash (Adrien Monteleone)
> >   9. Re:  Gnucash (Mahon Finbar)
> >  10. Re:  Stumped on Mortgage Asst - Screenshots
> >  (steve.schwa...@fastmail.com)
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 09:07:19 -0700
> > From: john 
> > To: km22 
> > Cc: Mailing List Gnucash 
> > Subject: Re: [GNC] MacOS - could not complete critical test of libdbi
> > Message-ID: <45d305ee-7f4c-4b64-a869-39510555c...@ceridwen.us>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8
> > 
> > There may be some useful error messages in the trace file--see 
> > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Tracefile. If you're also on macOS and using
> > version 11 or later console output is available again after many years of
> > being sent to /dev/null. Open /Applications/Utilities/Console, select your
> > computer from the sidebar, click start streaming in the middle of the
> > window, and run your GnuCash or DBBrowser session. When done return to
> > Console, click the pause button, and use the search bar for terms like
> > gnucash and sqlite.
> > 
> > I've been encountering the DBI error intermittently in the last year or so
> > too. I can't make it happen consistently enough to debug it, and it has
> > never stopped me from being able to open a Sqlite3 file.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > John Ralls
> > 
> > 
> > > On Aug 2, 2022, at 8:47 AM, km22  wrote:
> > > 
> > > I have

Re: [GNC] Confusing and inconsistent headers in transaction entry and report forms

[davidcousens49]

On Wed, 2022-08-03 at 20:28 -0400, Peter S. Shenkin wrote:
> Adrian,
> 
> I do have full account names turned on. I forget where I did that. I have
> no customized sort that affects the order of accounts within a transaction
> in either register view nor in the transaction report. (I prefer to sort
> the transactions by date in the transaction report, but that's just me.)
> 
> You point out correctly that in the register view, where transactions are
> entered, each line of the transaction (which is shown completely in my
> screen shot) shows the debit first (on the left) and credit second, as is
> customary. I had the labeling of the columns set to the out-of-the-box
> defaults of Increase and Decrease, respectively. This is highly misleading,
> because in fact both of these accounts increase as the result of the
> transaction. I later changed the labels to Debit and Credit, an available
> option, which is less misleading, but other than the labels, the
> transaction looks exactly the same in both the account register and the
> transaction report. That is, the Credit and Debit labels are still reversed
> in the transaction log.

Peter,

This seems to be counter to everyone else's experience with GnuCash and
definitely is not what occurs in the transaction report in GnuCash 4.11 on Linux
Mint 20.3.  I suspect if it was occurring specifically on either a MacOSX or
Windows systems we would have a large number of experienced users (and some of
us are accountants and pretty pedantic about such aspects) complaining pretty
loudly.  So we need to work out why your experience is completely opposite to
everyone else's or whether it is just a misinterpretation of what is being
displayed in the transaction report. In the transaction Report options there is
an option in the Display tab to display one transaction per line or one split
 per line.  Using the second option one split  per line, both debit and credit
entries for the transaction will be displayed  but entries not to the accounts
selected in the transaction report will be in the second(and subsequent lines
for transactions with more than two splits) and the different selected account
entries will be listed in sections with the account name at the head. The
transaction report is possibly the most general of the reports and is highly
customizable from the report options 

> 
> You seemed to express uncertainty about the account register. The way I
> enter transactions is to pick an account (for instance, by clicking on it
> in a balance sheet). That opens the register tab, set to that account. If I
> am remembering correctly, it will always list that account on the first
> line of the transaction, then you can add your currency total in either the
> Debit or the Credit column for that account. For the balancing account or
> accounts (in the case of a split), you similarly enter the currency total
> for each account on a succeeding line, in either the debit or the credit
> column, and select the account from a pulldown you can invoke from that
> line.


While this works, A balance sheet, depending on the report options may not show
all the accounts in your chart of accounts so it is limiting in which accounts
you can choose to open. How you open the register tab for an account does not
affect the order of display of the lines as it invokes the same routine to open
the register. Double clicking on the icon for the account (looks a bit like the
front of a colonial bank) in the Accounts tab will give you access to all non-
hidden accounts (hidden accounts can be found with the Edit->Find Account
dialogue).

> 
> There is no specified order in the register view for the accounts involved
> in a transaction; the account you selected to open the tab will always be
> listed on the first line nd the succeeding lines will appear in the order
> in which you entered them.

This is not necessarily the case. If you open an existing transaction in an
asset register in either Auto-split or Transaction Journal mode if it is a
credit transaction to the asset register (eg a bank account), the entry to the
account for the register which is open will appear on the last line not the
first. On the other hand if it is a transaction which debits an open asset
account register it will appear first. I.e. the debit components of the
transaction is listed in the lines before the credit components in all cases.

When you are entering a new transaction, if you do not specifically select an
account in the Account column where "Account "is displayed in Italics in the
first split entry, GnuCash will assume that it is the account of the register
that is open (but you can explicitly select another account for the first line,
in which case you have to explicitly select the account associate with the
currently open register in another line of the transaction to complete the
transaction. If you leave a subsequent line blank and press enter the
transaction will not be saved in the register.

You can al

Re: [GNC] Build From Source Near Impossible

[davidcousens49]

Rob 
There were originally breakout pages from the building on Linux for specific
information related to various Linux distributions including one for Ubuntu.
That seems to have now morphed into a general installation page for Ubuntu 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Ubuntu and the Ubuntu specific build instructions
seem to have diasappeared completely and what is there is now useless as it
points back to the general build instructions for Linux (they were largely done
on Linux Mint but I tried to make them as generic as possible). I think the
intention was to collect all the Ubuntu related stuff in one point but that
somewhat defeats the point of a breakout page for build stuff specific to a
distribution,

david Cousens

On Sat, 2022-08-06 at 09:07 -0400, Robert Simmons wrote:
> First of all, Impish is already EOL. You will need to use a flavor of 22.04
> LTS for the following. The documentation for how to build GnuCash is
> confusing and not all in one place. The following begins with a fresh
> install of Lubuntu 22.04 LTS. I use Vagrant so that everything is
> deterministically built once I have finished figuring out the correct set
> of steps. But, Vagrant is not a requirement; you don't have to use that.
> The patch used below is the following. Put it in your /tmp directory before
> starting.
> https://pastebin.com/qUmxyyLq
> 
> sudo patch /etc/apt/sources.list /tmp/sources_list.patch
> sudo apt-get build-dep gnucash
> mkdir ~/opt
> wget
> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/releases/download/4.11/gnucash-4.11.tar.gz
> mkdir build-gnucash-4.11
> tar -zxvf gnucash-4.11.tar.gz
> cd build-gnucash-4.11/
> cmake -DWITH_PYTHON=ON -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=$HOME/opt ../gnucash-4.11
> make
> make install
> 
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 7:03 AM crusadeon09 via gnucash-user <
> gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
> 
> > I'm running Ubuntu, 21.10, Impish Indri.
> > 
> > I downloaded the 4.11 tarball, gnucash-4.11.tar.bz2
> > 
> > I followed these directions:
> > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Building
> > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Build_Tools
> > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Building_On_Linux
> > 
> > I tried changing repositories. I ran "sudo apt update" multiple times. The
> > dependencies for 4.11 simply wouldn't install.
> > 
> > (base) chris@chris-B550-AORUS-ELITE:~$ sudo apt-get build-dep gnucash
> > Reading package lists... Done
> > Reading package lists... Done
> > Building dependency tree... Done
> > Reading state information... Done
> > Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
> > requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
> > distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
> > or been moved out of Incoming.
> > The following information may help to resolve the situation:
> > 
> > The following packages have unmet dependencies:
> > libgtk-3-dev : Depends: gir1.2-gtk-3.0 (= 3.24.30-1ubuntu1) but
> > 3.24.30-1ubuntu1.1 is to be installed
> > Depends: libgdk-pixbuf-2.0-dev (>= 2.40.0) but it is not going to be
> > installed or
> > libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev (>= 2.40.0) but it is not going to be installed
> > Depends: libgtk-3-0 (= 3.24.30-1ubuntu1) but 3.24.30-1ubuntu1.1 is to be
> > installed
> > libpython3.9-dev : Depends: libpython3.9-stdlib (= 3.9.7-2build1) but
> > 3.9.7-2ubuntu0.1 is to be installed
> > Depends: libpython3.9 (= 3.9.7-2build1) but 3.9.7-2ubuntu0.1 is to be
> > installed
> > libsepol1-dev : Depends: libsepol1 (= 3.1-1ubuntu2) but 3.1-1ubuntu2.1 is
> > to be installed
> > libwebkit2gtk-4.0-dev : Depends: libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37 (=
> > 2.34.6-0ubuntu0.21.10.1) but 2.36.3-0ubuntu0.21.10.1 is to be installed
> > Depends: gir1.2-webkit2-4.0 (= 2.34.6-0ubuntu0.21.10.1) but
> > 2.36.3-0ubuntu0.21.10.1 is to be installed
> > Depends: libsoup2.4-dev (>= 2.40) but it is not going to be installed
> > Depends: libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0-dev (= 2.34.6-0ubuntu0.21.10.1) but it
> > is not going to be installed
> > libxml2-dev : Depends: libxml2 (= 2.9.12+dfsg-4ubuntu0.1) but
> > 2.9.12+dfsg-4ubuntu0.2 is to be installed
> > python3.9-dev : Depends: python3.9 (= 3.9.7-2build1) but 3.9.7-2ubuntu0.1
> > is to be installed
> > Depends: libpython3.9 (= 3.9.7-2build1) but 3.9.7-2ubuntu0.1 is to be
> > installed
> > E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
> > 
> > I tried loading them individually, but the names are just slightly off.
> > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Dependencies
> > 
> > Ubuntu sees them differently I guess. https://packages.ubuntu.com/
> > 
> > After a couple of hours of carefully trying to build from source, I give
> > up. Looks like Ubuntu Software Center has 4.11 in a flatpak.
> > 
> > Does anyone have any better instructions? I'd even submit to watching a
> > video at this point.
> > 
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Re: [GNC] Request for two new features in GnuCash

[davidcousens49]

Eric,

This is already possible, at least on Linux but I suspect also  in Windows too (
this link may provide a way 
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/add-an-app-to-run-automatically-at-startup-in-windows-10-150da165-dcd9-7230-517b-cf3c295d89dd
). On Linux Mint I can create multiple launchers for the GNuCash app and in the
launcher, which executes a terminal command of the form "gnucash " without opening a terminal, I specify different filenames. The only
difficucly is that the user and gnucash preferences will be the same with all
data files, which may or may not be a problem.

David Cousens


On Sun, 2022-08-07 at 01:04 +, Eric Hammond wrote:
> As I am getting more of my accounts completely into GnuCash I find the need
> for two things:
> The first is the ability to have two separate (at least) GnuCash file systems:
> one for my business and one for personal.
> My business is an LLC, and one legal requirement for that is there is no co-
> mingling of money. 
> This gives me some protection from certain law suites and tax issues.
> 
> I found an almost-work-around: two folders for Gnucash accessed with shortcuts
> that specified the target folder. It mostly worked, but was unstable and
> unreliable.
> 
> The second is the ability to pay bills from more than one source. Example I
> purchase an oscilloscope and pay for it with a cash incentive from the company
> and a bank transfer for the rest. My solution at the present is not pretty,
> nor helpful if I look at it next year.
> 
> Thank you for the great work!
> 
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Re: [GNC] Request for two new features in GnuCash

[davidcousens49]

Eric

AFAIK you can do this by making a payment of less than the due amount from one
account and then makea second (or more) payment from another account to the same
invoice - just cant do it in a single step.

David Cousens



On Sun, 2022-08-07 at 19:17 +, Eric Hammond wrote:
> Thanks again to all who answered my two part question (next time I will make
> it two separate questions...)
> 
> Frank, I already have that selected. The problem is not how transactions are
> entered or displayed.
> If I am entering a manual transaction, I can add any number of splits no
> problem.
> The issue is specifically with the Bill, or Invoice, "Process Payment" form
> which only allows one payment amount, and one transfer account (from the
> account tree).
> If I bypass the "Process Payment" by using manual transactions the Bill or
> Invoice is not closed.
> 
> All the best,
> Eric Hammond
> 
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 06:19:40 +0200
> From: "Frank H. Ellenberger" 
> To: Eric Hammond , "gnucash-user@gnucash.org"
>   
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Request for two new features in GnuCash
> Message-ID: <1e0d8ed8-6ba0-b5b8-4190-8664b349f...@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> 
> 
> Am 07.08.22 um 03:04 schrieb Eric Hammond:
> > The second is the ability to pay bills from more than one source. Example I
> > purchase an oscilloscope and pay for it with a cash incentive from the
> > company and a bank transfer for the rest. My solution at the present is not
> > pretty, nor helpful if I look at it next year.
> 
> Then it's time to claim your easter egg ;-):
> Edit->Peeferences->Register Defaults,
> select Default Style: "Auto-Split ledger" or "Transaction Journal"
> 
> More details in
> https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-help/set-prefs.html#prefs-reg-def
> 
> Then you can easily enter the differnt amounts.
> 
> Regards
> Frank
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 17:44:36 +1000
> From: flywire 
> To: Gnucash Users 
> Subject: [GNC] Request for two new features in GnuCash
> Message-ID:
>   
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> More cat skinning:
> 
> > * the ability to have two separate (at least) GnuCash file systems:
> *
> 
> In Windows (or probably any GUI) double-click file in data folder and it
> will use file association to open the file (in GnuCash).
> 
> Alternatively, for each file: right-click file, create a shortcut, drag
> shortcut to desktop. Same as above from desktop.
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 06:28:50 -0500
> From: Tom Browder 
> To: Chris Good 
> Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Third party OFX/CVS providers
> Message-ID:
>   
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 21:25 Chris Good  wrote:
> > From: Tom Browder 
> > Sent: Sunday, 7 August 2022 12:37 AM
> > To: Chris Good 
> > Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Third party OFX/CVS providers
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 08:51 Chris Good  wrote:
> > 
> > ..,
> > 
> > Can you copy the text out of the pdf statement?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Getting "organized" text programmatically out of PDF is a giant pain. My
> > current approach is almost completely programmatic. BTW, Raku is the
> > "sister" language of Perl, and it is a "scripting" language.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Raku can also use Perl modules so I can use Finance::Quote with it if need
> > be. But, until I can get the bank data working, I won't be needing it.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks, Chris.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -Tom
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Tom,
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I was actually suggesting you just highlight the transactions in the pdf
> > statement and copy/paste them into a
> > 
> > spreadsheet or text file before using a scripting language to reformat them
> > but if you can programmatically
> > extract the text that would be better long term.
> 
> But I did see Peter West's warning about checking results
> carefully--it's not always the expected result. Although I hope the
> products from the same source are consistent enough to make it
> reasonably fool proof. (See my comments below.)
> 
> > I notice with my PDF statement that (free) Adobe Acrobat DC no longer allows
> > me to select text (as they want me to pay for a fancy tool - BOO) but if you
> > send the pdf to Edge or Chrome you can select just the transaction text.
> 
> Yes, I now see my "PDF COmplete" on Windows can do that--I never
> thought of doing that until now.
> 
> > Thanks for the info re Raku.
> 
> You're welcome! I'm always happy for programmers to learn about Raku
> 
> > Finance::Quote is just for getting stock prices from websites (usually) so
> > not useful for this task.
> 
> Right, but good to know for later.
> 
> > Are you sure you cannot export transactions from your bank? All mine do
> > although sometimes it is hard to find.
> 
> Yes, and I agree it's sometimes hard to find. Yesterday I did find one
> bank 

Re: [GNC] transfe money from one account to another

[davidcousens49]

James,

Have you read the help Manual sections on Accounts and Common Transaction
Operation https://code.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-help/help.html- much more
useful than YouTube videos. Most of the Youtube videos dealing with GnuCash are
AFAIK not produced by any of the documentation team or the developers. You also
usually have no idea which version they are using. Transaction operations in
GnuCash are performed in the account register which opens in a separate tab in
the main window when you double click on the account in the chart of accounts
display in the Accounts tab (left hand side).

The GnuCash tutorial and concepts guide, particularly the introductory sections
has useful information about double entry accounting and some accounting basics
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-guide/index.html

David Cousens

On Sun, 2022-08-07 at 21:43 +, James Baxter via gnucash-user wrote:
> Yes, I see some people show yooou how to transfee money from one acc (Checking
> acc to Saving Acc)so when in that place. i am watching one person do that, but
> I dont see all of what he is doing. 
> the same page where you place your spending, but I dont see how you get the
> account on the page. 
> 
> I start with the checking acc, as i wish to place $25.00 into my saving
> account to keep the bank from charging me .so am I missing something. you need
> an account in there, But where.
> ThanksJames baxterkangaro...@yahoo.com
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Re: [GNC] gnucash-user Digest, Vol 233, Issue 22

[davidcousens49]

James,

If you are not seeing the transactions you have already entered and the 
accounts in the account tab it is possible that you have not saved the 
datafile. To do this use the File-Save As menu item immediately after starting 
GnuCash up. It will then automatically open the same file next time you 
startup. You are usually prompted to save the data file when a new file is 
opened however I have had the prompt dialogue get lots behind other windows on 
Linux Mint.
It is best if you create a directory in your home directory for the GnuCash data
file and then save it with a suitable filename in that directory. Gnucash
creates backup and log files each time it is run in the same directory as the
data files is located  and it is much neater to have all of these in a single
directory and it makes backup of your files simpler. There are also preferences
for autosaving the file periodically which AFAIK is set at ~20min by default. It
is best to exit by the File->Quit  (File ->Close only closes the account
register which is open) menu item to ensure the data you have entered is saved,
although recent changes ensure closing the window by other means will also force
a data save.

David Cousens

On Mon, 2022-08-08 at 19:11 +, James Baxter via gnucash-user wrote:
> David.Thanks for the email. I am not shore about data file. I did get a
> transfee going. But I should know next month if it works.
> ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>  
>   On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 2:16 PM, David Carlson
> wrote:   James,Have you been able to create a test data file and enter a few
> transactions modelled on the information in the help manual?
> 
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 10:01 AM Fred Bone  wrote:
> 
> On 08 August 2022 at 13:54, James Baxter said:
> 
> >   I am looking for something that I may have already. I have had Linux Mint
> >   loaded on this laptop for about a month. also have been playing with
> >   Gnucash about 3 weeks. still getting us to this, As I find it very nice
> >   program.
> > As i dont know if I have a problem with the two of them, I don't know. So
> > if anybody know if Gnucash will bring down the items it needs to work
> > with. I am looking to do a schooling on Linux, go from there. thanksJames
> > baxterkangaro...@yahoo.com
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Re: [GNC] Banks with OFX or CSV account data downloads

[davidcousens49]

Tom,
There is another issue with putting up a list of banks known not to supply
OFXQFX or CSV downloads. The banks can up date there procedure and if the
information put up is wrong or becomes wrong, they may take issue with an
independent site posting that information particularly without some disclaimer
given the wide distribution of GNuCash. 

The best place to find out what a bank website can or can't do is usually from
their IT department, as they will be aware of such facilities even where teller
staff aren't. My bank in Australia has a general enquiry email to which I have
put this question in the past but asked that it be directed specifically to
their IT staff. I received an email back from the manager in charge of the IT
department who talked to me about my requirements, explained what was available
and how to use it as well as more general discussion of requirements. They still
don't have DirectConnectOFX (this was a security policy issue the IT department
could not bypass) but they did widen the range of export options and have
simplified export. 

David Cousens

On Tue, 2022-08-09 at 16:33 -0500, Tom Browder wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 16:11 David Carlson 
> wrote:
> 
> > Tom,
> > 
> > As Gyle mentioned,  the vast majority of banks, credit card companies and
> > even online
> > 
> 
> David, that the "vast majority" allegedly provide such capability doesn't
> help someone looking for a local bank providing such. Why do GnuCash users
> not want  to at least name banks they use and state whether or not they
> provide downloadable tranactions and in what format?
> 
> Is it a private issue?
> 
> -Tom
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Re: [GNC] gnucash-user Digest, Vol 233, Issue 34

[davidcousens49]

James

https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-guide/basics-backup1.html

The info https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Configuration_Locations is also useful
for backing up user preferences and things like customized reports.

To back up to a USB drive on Linux Mint, the drive should appear in the file
manager (icon that looks like a filing cabinet folder in the LH panel of the
Menu) once you have plugged it in and it is mounted. Navigate to andelect the
folder containing the data file Ctr-c to copy it. Navigate to the USB hard drive
and select a suitable directory to keep your backups in on the Hard drive and
Ctrl-v to paste a copy there (or use the Edit items in the menu).

How to do actually backups is an operating system issue and not really a GnuCash
issue. Gnucash's internal backup, logfiles and restore capability are primarily
about recovering from a datafile corrupted by a GnuCash program crash, rather
than general computer failures like a hard disk failure.  There are any number
of articles on general computer backup strategies on the internet depending on
the facilities you have available and how much you want to spend setting it up.
A good practice is at least a backup to another local device in your home  (USB
disk, NAS, another computer) and a backup to an offsite facility to protect you
if your house burns down for example (USB stick kept by a relative ot cloud
facility)

On Linux you can create "cron" jobs to schedule automatic backups if this is
useful. For example I backup critical files to a cloud storage as well as local
network storage on my LAN automatically daily and synchronize files between my
laptop and desktop with Unison whenever they are connected so there are always
multiple copies of my most recent datafile. My NAS is separately backedp up to
cloud storage.

David Cousens



On Wed, 2022-08-10 at 23:07 +, James Baxter via gnucash-user wrote:
>  
> Does anybody know how to make a backup of your hard drive. I am looking to
> back up Gnucash for the most part. I have a drive that i can plug into the USB
> port.
> ThanksJames baxterkangaro...@yahoo.com
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>   1.  Build From Source Near Impossible (flywire)
>   2. Re:  Banks with OFX or CSV account data downloads (Tom Browder)
>   3.  Possible Bug in Credit Note Display (Robert Simmons)
>   4.  Monthly period in charts should use end-of-month values, not
>   start (Colin Arndt)
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 16:58:46 +1000
> From: flywire 
> To: Gnucash Users 
> Subject: [GNC] Build From Source Near Impossible
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> Re: https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2022-July/102045.html
> > You're correct that the Python bindings aren't included.
> 
> I'd be happy with a non-standard download available that included the
> bindings. It wouldn't need gui support.
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 05:19:27 -0500
> From: Tom Browder 
> To: Tracy 
> Cc: "gnucash-user@gnucash.org" 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Banks with OFX or CSV account data downloads
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 00:00 Tracy  wrote:
> 
> > As with so many things, your mileage may vary, but...
> 
> Thanks so much, Tracy?that?s very helpful. Some of those banks are in my
> area.
> 
> -Tom
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 11:18:42 -0400
> From: Robert Simmons 
> To: Mailing List Gnucash 
> Subject: [GNC] Possible Bug in Credit Note Display
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> In the Entries part of an open credit note tab, the row focus can be
> assigned by clicking on a row. This changes the selected row from green to
> yellow. Also, it changes the value in the Subtotal column to zero. This
> appears to just be a software defect in the display: there are no changes
> made to the underlying data in the database. If you select a different row,
> the previously selected row's subtotal returns to normal and the newly
> selected row's subtotal changes to zero.
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 11:57:56 -0400
> From: Colin Arndt 
> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org

Re: [GNC] gnucash-user Digest, Vol 233, Issue 34

[davidcousens49]

Adrien,

It does indeed  Menu->Administration->Backup Tool. I don't usually make use of
it as my NAS initiates and carries out my main backups for me and a couple of
crons do the rest. It looks like it can access network locations too. I have a
mixed Linux/Windows (can't convert the wife) setup which the NAS handles for me

David

On Thu, 2022-08-11 at 00:35 -0500, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> If I'm not mistaken, Mint has a backup utility. So you can just set it 
> up and make sure the GnuCash locations noted in the Wiki and Guide are 
> included in the paths to be backed up.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 8/10/22 9:29 PM, davidcousen...@gmail.com wrote:
> > James
> > 
> > https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-guide/basics-backup1.html
> > 
> > The info https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Configuration_Locations is also
> > useful
> > for backing up user preferences and things like customized reports.
> > 
> > To back up to a USB drive on Linux Mint, the drive should appear in the file
> > manager (icon that looks like a filing cabinet folder in the LH panel of the
> > Menu) once you have plugged it in and it is mounted. Navigate to andelect
> > the
> > folder containing the data file Ctr-c to copy it. Navigate to the USB hard
> > drive
> > and select a suitable directory to keep your backups in on the Hard drive
> > and
> > Ctrl-v to paste a copy there (or use the Edit items in the menu).
> > 
> > How to do actually backups is an operating system issue and not really a
> > GnuCash
> > issue. Gnucash's internal backup, logfiles and restore capability are
> > primarily
> > about recovering from a datafile corrupted by a GnuCash program crash,
> > rather
> > than general computer failures like a hard disk failure.  There are any
> > number
> > of articles on general computer backup strategies on the internet depending
> > on
> > the facilities you have available and how much you want to spend setting it
> > up.
> > A good practice is at least a backup to another local device in your
> > home  (USB
> > disk, NAS, another computer) and a backup to an offsite facility to protect
> > you
> > if your house burns down for example (USB stick kept by a relative ot cloud
> > facility)
> > 
> > On Linux you can create "cron" jobs to schedule automatic backups if this is
> > useful. For example I backup critical files to a cloud storage as well as
> > local
> > network storage on my LAN automatically daily and synchronize files between
> > my
> > laptop and desktop with Unison whenever they are connected so there are
> > always
> > multiple copies of my most recent datafile. My NAS is separately backedp up
> > to
> > cloud storage.
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Re: [GNC] Share Values recording

[davidcousens49]

Finbar,

This is likely as specific as it gets or can get
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-guide/chapter_invest.html.

As others have mentioned the exact accounting treatment depends on the tax rules
in your jurisdiction and likely business regulations if you are conducting
investment as a business operation. 

From there you specify what information you need for:
a) tax purposes;
b) your management of your investments;
c) reporting purposes if your investment can be classed as a business activity.

This in turn defines what your account structure should be for investments. 

The examples in the guide will reflect fairly common practice in many
jurisdictions but the devil is always in the local detail. For that you either
need a local accountant/financial adviser you trust or you need to acquire the
skills to research the legislation and regulation in your jurisdiction and turn
that into accounting methodology.

David Cousens

On Thu, 2022-08-11 at 15:30 +0100, Mahon Finbar wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am trying to rationalise my shares (or things that have a moving 
> value) holdings.
> 
> I understand the basics of GNU,  in that I have been a user for some 
> time and have been able to record transactions, create reports to 
> satisfy the taxman, etc., but I keep getting bits and pieces of 
> information from the various places where my shares are registered, 
> mostly about values and dividends and the like.
> 
> I have a somewhat random selection of 'accounts' with information about 
> my (relatively small number) of holdings (a word that is a bit strong 
> for my situation)
> 
> What I am aiming to do is get a simple account or accounts where I can 
> just register what I paid, what dividends and other income stuff I may 
> have had and items such as current value.
> 
> Is there a simple source in the 'help' for creating that and what is it 
> called and what does it contain?? If not where should I start??
> 
> Sorry to be a neophyte, but I am a bit frustrated.
> 
> Finbar (located in Europe, but only really dealing in €)
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Re: [GNC] Upgrading from old repo to new stable (4.06)

[davidcousens49]

Jean,

The Linux build instructions are here 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Building_On_Linux

If you are installing 4.6 there are some new dependencies which will be in the
release notes and the dependency files in the sources. AFAIK the wiki hasn't yet
been updated to deal with any V4.6 issues.

You could also try the Flathub version https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Flatpak.

David Cousens
On Mon, 2021-06-28 at 22:18 +0200, Jean D. Boyle via gnucash-user wrote:
> >  Hello fellow users of GNUCash,
> > 
> > As the new edition of GNUCash is fresh from to press, I would like try 
> > it too. In the repo of Mint 20.1c, there is (still) 3.08, but on the 
> > official Mint Forum, the PPA of Sicklylife is shared to upgrade to 
> > 3.11/4.02.
> > Mint Forum: https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=341880
> > PPA from Sicklylife: 
> > https://launchpad.net/~sicklylife/+archive/ubuntu/gnucash
> > 
> > In order to try 4.06 too, this non-techie wonders: Besides building 
> > from source, is there another/easier way to update GNUCash from 4.02 
> > to 4.06? The building instructions for GNUCash is (or should/dare I 
> > say are) not very clear-cut for this nontechie. Like, 1) when trying 
> > to install the dependencies, the terminal says that I have some broken 
> > packages; 2) searching for "Install with Cmake" does result in 
> > instructions on how to install CMake, not how to install /with/ CMake, 
> > and 3) some guidelines on youtube for installing something from git, 
> > are not representative for GNUCas; for this nontechie at least.
> > 
> > Thus, how can this nontechie upgrade to GNUCash 4.06?
> > 
> > 86ul
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Re: [GNC] Search with subtotals

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Jeff

The Transaction Report will also do what you want AFAIK.

David Cousens

On Tue, 2021-08-17 at 01:06 -0500, Jeff wrote:
> Is there a way to do a search (ctrl F) and have a dollar total for all 
> found transactions?  Or a built in report tool that I am overlooking?
> 
> running Version: 4.2
> Build ID: 4.2+(2020-09-26)
> Finance::Quote: 1.49
> 
> On Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS, not sure of the version on windows 10 pro (4.?)
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Re: [GNC] Financial Account Structure for Australian Shares and ETFs

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flywire

The following has some information of the treatment of franking credits in the
hads of an investor.
https://www.insightaccounting.com.au/2017/03/share-dividend-income-franking-credits/

It would appear that generally they form a part of your taxble income but would
need to be recorded in a separate income account/category. 

If your assessed tax payable then the amount of the franking credit is deducted
from you assessed tax if it exceeds your franking credit totals and if your
assessed tax is less than the total of your franking credits, then you may be
entitled to a refund of the difference between your franking credit total and
your assessed tax payable if you ar eligible.
https://www.ato.gov.au/Individuals/Investments-and-assets/in-detail/investing-in-shares/refunding-franking-credits---individuals/?page=2#:~:text=Total%20franking%20credits%20entitlement%20of%20%245%2C000%20or%20more&text=To%20be%20eligible%20for%20a,day%20of%20acquisition%20or%20disposal).

If you are not eligible then you do not need to gross up your income by the
amount of the franking tax credits. It would generally be wise to record the
franking tax credits in a separate taxable income account in any case, then at
tax time make the decision as to whether you are entitled to the tax credit
dpending on whether you meet the requirements below.

I personally use an appropriately named asset account as the second account for
the transactions recording the receipt of franking credits and at tax time would
zero that account (credit it) in reducing the tax payable liability (debit this
account) or in determining the tax refund if you are eligible. (I am normally
eligible).

If you are not eligible under the above provisions at tax time, then you do not
have to include the franking tax credits as part of your income, in which case
you would add a reversing transaction to the transactions recordinmg the
franking credits, zeroing the asset account and the franking credit income
account annotated accordingly.

This is my personal approach to recording franking credits but should not be
interpreted as accounting advice. If in any doubt consult an accountant.

David Cousens







On Thu, 2021-08-26 at 23:37 +1000, flywire wrote:
> The guide leaves stock and mutual fund financial account structure very
> open and search only showed one Franking/Franked thread in the recent past.
> I'm wondering what people do in practice.
> 
> Share dividends looks doable: Bank deposit = Unfranked + Franked - Tax
> Withheld. Franked has unpaid Franking Credits. Where does the contra
> account for Franking Credits sit? (I use a fairly simple account tree.)
> 
> ETFs: have about 10 tax codes that don't bear much resemblance to actual
> payments. How do people handle these? (I realise financial records only go
> so far preparing for tax. It's looking like a spreadsheet.)
> 
> I'm not looking at tracking physical shares/ETFs in GnuCash.
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Re: [GNC] [Non-techie] Wondering for a package, and seeking help for building

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Jean 

I recently built 4.6 on Linux Mint 20.2 with no problems. The following commands
will list the installed packages. You need to have the development header
packages ".dev" (libaqbanking-dev and libgwenhywfar-core-dev)
installed  to build the programs, not just the runtime binaries.

dpkg -l |grep aqbank

which returns 

ii  aqbanking-tools 6.0.1-
2 amd64basic command line
homebanking utilities
ii  libaqbanking-data   6.0.1-
2 all  configuration files for
libaqbanking
ii  libaqbanking-dev6.0.1-
2 amd64library for online banking
applications
ii  libaqbanking44:amd646.0.1-
2 amd64library for online banking
applications

on my system and

dpkg -l |grep gwenhy

which returns

ii  libgwenhywfar-core-dev  5.1.3-
1build1   amd64OS abstraction layer (core
development files)
ii  libgwenhywfar-data  5.1.3-
1build1   all  OS abstraction layer - data
files
ii  libgwenhywfar79:amd64   5.1.3-
1build1   amd64OS abstraction layer

Works fine with libgwenhywfar 5.1.3.  You can use the commands
apt-cache search  
with  either aqbank or gwenhy

to locate the correct package names to load using
sudo apt install 

David Cousens


On Sun, 2021-09-19 at 19:50 +0200, Jean D. Boyle via gnucash-user wrote:
> Hello fellow users of GnuCash,
> 
> 
> At the end of the day, I am wondering if there will be a *.deb, PPA or 
> alike for GnuCash on Debian/Ubuntu in the (near) future? As a non-techie 
> I am trying to build GnuCash 4.6 from source, but at the end I am stuck 
> at the optionals aqbanking and gwenhywfar. As I am not living the 
> Germany, these two are indeed optional for me. I started this day with 
> doing a fresh install of Mint 20.2, and rewriting my script for other 
> useful software, like GIMP, Vivaldi, and Zotero.
> 
> 
> But in case I am just so close with my first build on a fresh Mint 20.2, 
> then any help is welcome. I am stuck with aqbanking and gwenhywfar, and 
> my situation is as follows:
> 
> Failing in building GnuCash 4.6:
>  user@computer: ~/Downloads/Script/gnucash-4.6/build$ cmake ..
>  CMake Warning at CMakeLists.txt:251 (message):
> Gettext version 0.20 or more recent is required to translate the
>  'developer_name' tag in gnucash.appdata.xml.  All but that tag will be
>  translated in the generated file.
> 
>  -- Using guile-3.0.x
> -- Using guile SRFI-64
> -- Using guile textual-ports
> -- Checking for module 'aqbanking>=5.7.8'
> --   No package 'aqbanking' found
> CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake-3.16/Modules/FindPkgConfig.cmake:463 
> (message):
> A required package was not found
> Call Stack (most recent call first):
>  /usr/share/cmake-3.16/Modules/FindPkgConfig.cmake:643 
> (_pkg_check_modules_internal)
>  CMakeLists.txt:360 (pkg_check_modules)
> 
>  -- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred!
>  See also 
> "/home/bbul/Downloads/Script/gnucash-4.6/CMakeFiles/CMakeOutput.log".
>  See also 
> "/home/bbul/Downloads/Script/gnucash-4.6/CMakeFiles/CMakeError.log".
> 
> But I have both aqbanking and gwenhywfar already installed:
>   user@computer:~$ aqbanking-cli  versions
> 3:2021/09/19 19-34-09:(null)(75035):banking_update.c:  610: No AqBanking 
> config folder found at [/home/bbul/.aqbanking/settings6/users] (-1)
> 3:2021/09/19 19-34-09:(null)(75035):banking_update.c:  610: No AqBanking 
> config folder found at [/home/bbul/.aqbanking/settings/users] (-1)
> 3:2021/09/19 19-34-09:(null)(75035):banking_update.c:  411: There is no 
> old settings folder, need initial setup
> Versions:
> AqBanking-CLI: 6.0.1
> Gwenhywfar   : 5.7.2.0
> AqBanking: 6.0.1.0
> 
> As I have TimeShift enabled, I can go back in time A) per hour, and B) 
> jump back to a fresh and up to date m20.2.
> 
> 
> Anyhow, will there be a package soon, and what am I doing wrong?
> 

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Re: [GNC] Account setup

[davidcousens49]

Rogier,

Retained Earnings is an equity account so a retained earnings balance is
recorded against equity itself as follows if your past retained earnings were a
net profit (credit or +ve balance in your pevious set of accounts). If a net
loss (debit or -ve balance_ then the debit and credit would be reversed
Dr   Cr
Equity:Opening Balances:Retained Earningsxxx
Equity:Retained Earnings  xxx



You could equally well not transfer the individual equity sub account balances
and just transfer the total opening balance for Equity to your new set of books
and leave the balance at 0 for Equity:Retained Earnings and other sub accounts
except where you have a specific need for the detail since the 
Retained earnings net balance contains no detail of the previous individual
years profit loss contributions to equity in any case. 

This will all be contained in your previous set of books and the newly opened
set of books will contain that detail forward from the date the new books were
opened.
David Cousens

On Wed, 2021-09-22 at 16:21 -0400, Rogier F. van Vlissingen wrote:
> OH, thanks
> 
> Yeah, I already proceeded, I filled in the opening balances where I could,
> and am now starting to create the other accounts which did not exist in the
> standard chart of accounts, but trying to go and edit "retained earnings" I
> do not see how I can add the opening balance.
> 
> it's not too many accounts in all, probably 25 total.
> 
> So, if I create that opening balance as a transaction e.g. for retained
> earnings, where does the balancing transaction go? I guess I am not God's
> greatest gift to the bookkeeping profession ;-)
> 
> <
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> >
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> 
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> >
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 4:00 PM Stephen M. Butler <
> stephen.m.butle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Roger,
> > 
> > I found it easier to leave all the opening balances at zero while
> > setting up the chart of accounts (COA).  Then I create one massive
> > opening transaction dated (in your case) 12/31/2019.
> > 
> > That way, if I find I forgot one account, I can add it later then go
> > back and adjust the opening transaction to include an entry for that new
> > account (I know the purist will have nightmares and would prefer you add
> > a new transaction).
> > 
> > --Steve
> > 
> > On 9/22/21 12:43 PM, Rogier F. van Vlissingen wrote:
> > > I am struggling to move an existing business into gnucash.
> > > 
> > > Have a closing trial balance @  year end 2019
> > > 
> > > In the setup screen I don't necessarily have all the accounts, so I
> > imagine
> > > I can set them up later, but some accounts that area available do not let
> > > me put in an opening balance.
> > > 
> > > E.g. "retained earnings" has a balance, but in the set up screen there
> > is a
> > > greyed out "zero" and I cannot set up the opening balance. Can I edit
> > that
> > > later?
> > > 
> > > I tried this before, but was never able to figure it out.
> > > 
> > > 
> > --
> > 
> > Stephen M Butler, PMP, PSM
> > stephen.m.butle...@gmail.com
> > kg...@arrl.net
> > 253-350-0166
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Re: [GNC] Equity account changed to Trading Account

[davidcousens49]

Alton

From your description it would appear you are using the notes field to stor a
link to an external file descriptor. GnuCash has had a facility to associate a
URL for an external file to a transaction (Menu-.Transaction->Manage Document
Links and Transaction->Open Linked Document in V4.6). This allows you to link a
file (PDF or image of e receipt for example) to a specific transaction and open
it from within GnuCash).  You can also set a path header in the preferences so
all your linked files are stored in a single directory (can be a subdirectory of
a folder with your data files in it )


Not sure if this will work on your retyped Equity account but may be worth a
try. The range of the available account types displayed in the edit procedure is
set by the account type of the parent account in the edit account process Can't
guarantee it will work but worth a try. In the Edit Account process try setting
the Parent Account for the trading account to "New top level account" and then
try changing the account type back to Equity and then reset the parent account
to Equity. 

David Cousens

On Sat, 2021-09-25 at 17:17 -0400, Alton Brantley wrote:
> I have an equity account which I use to record notes about purchases by
> storing the file name as the note in the split and it always has a zero value
> so it sorts to the middle of the splits. 
> Sometime in the past couple months, this account became tagged as a “Trading”
> account even though it and all of the transaction splits are in USD. 
> 
> I tried to create a new tracking account, and to delete the Trading account by
> moving the transactions over, but that wasn’t allowed. 
> 
> At this point, I cannot add transactions to the account and I don't want to
> delete the transactions. 
> 
> I can create a new Equity account and change the account manually one by one.
> This would be a slow process(10+years) or I could use the new account going
> forward and just correct this year’s entries. This may have happened when I
> upgraded to 4.6, as I only do this process quarterly. 
> 
> I have never used Trading accounts for any reason as I don’t use foreign
> currency. 
> 
> Any ideas appreciated 
> 
> 
> --Alton Brantley
> 
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Re: [GNC] Equity account changed to Trading Account

[davidcousens49]

Alton

From your description it would appear you are using the notes field to stor a
link to an external file descriptor. GnuCash has had a facility to associate a
URL for an external file to a transaction (Menu-.Transaction->Manage Document
Links and Transaction->Open Linked Document in V4.6). This allows you to link a
file (PDF or image of e receipt for example) to a specific transaction and open
it from within GnuCash).  You can also set a path header in the preferences so
all your linked files are stored in a single directory (can be a subdirectory of
a folder with your data files in it )


Not sure if this will work on your retyped Equity account but may be worth a
try. The range of the available account types displayed in the edit procedure is
set by the account type of the parent account in the edit account process Can't
guarantee it will work but worth a try. In the Edit Account process try setting
the Parent Account for the trading account to "New top level account" and then
try changing the account type back to Equity and then reset the parent account
to Equity. 

David Cousens

On Sat, 2021-09-25 at 17:17 -0400, Alton Brantley wrote:
> I have an equity account which I use to record notes about purchases by
> storing the file name as the note in the split and it always has a zero value
> so it sorts to the middle of the splits. 
> Sometime in the past couple months, this account became tagged as a “Trading”
> account even though it and all of the transaction splits are in USD. 
> 
> I tried to create a new tracking account, and to delete the Trading account by
> moving the transactions over, but that wasn’t allowed. 
> 
> At this point, I cannot add transactions to the account and I don't want to
> delete the transactions. 
> 
> I can create a new Equity account and change the account manually one by one.
> This would be a slow process(10+years) or I could use the new account going
> forward and just correct this year’s entries. This may have happened when I
> upgraded to 4.6, as I only do this process quarterly. 
> 
> I have never used Trading accounts for any reason as I don’t use foreign
> currency. 
> 
> Any ideas appreciated 
> 
> 
> --Alton Brantley
> 
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Re: [GNC] Equity account changed to Trading Account

[davidcousens49]

Alton

From your description it would appear you are using the notes field to stor a
link to an external file descriptor. GnuCash has had a facility to associate a
URL for an external file to a transaction (Menu-.Transaction->Manage Document
Links and Transaction->Open Linked Document in V4.6). This allows you to link a
file (PDF or image of e receipt for example) to a specific transaction and open
it from within GnuCash).  You can also set a path header in the preferences so
all your linked files are stored in a single directory (can be a subdirectory of
a folder with your data files in it )


Not sure if this will work on your retyped Equity account but may be worth a
try. The range of the available account types displayed in the edit procedure is
set by the account type of the parent account in the edit account process Can't
guarantee it will work but worth a try. In the Edit Account process try setting
the Parent Account for the trading account to "New top level account" and then
try changing the account type back to Equity and then reset the parent account
to Equity. 

David Cousens

On Sat, 2021-09-25 at 17:17 -0400, Alton Brantley wrote:
> I have an equity account which I use to record notes about purchases by
> storing the file name as the note in the split and it always has a zero value
> so it sorts to the middle of the splits. 
> Sometime in the past couple months, this account became tagged as a “Trading”
> account even though it and all of the transaction splits are in USD. 
> 
> I tried to create a new tracking account, and to delete the Trading account by
> moving the transactions over, but that wasn’t allowed. 
> 
> At this point, I cannot add transactions to the account and I don't want to
> delete the transactions. 
> 
> I can create a new Equity account and change the account manually one by one.
> This would be a slow process(10+years) or I could use the new account going
> forward and just correct this year’s entries. This may have happened when I
> upgraded to 4.6, as I only do this process quarterly. 
> 
> I have never used Trading accounts for any reason as I don’t use foreign
> currency. 
> 
> Any ideas appreciated 
> 
> 
> --Alton Brantley
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Re: [GNC] [GNC-dev] GnuCash 4.7 Released

[davidcousens49]

Hi John,

Unfortunately another build problem on Linux MInt 20.2 with 4.8. Cmake ran OK
but ninja failed to build with following error. SHA256sum on the download was
correct
FAILED: share/gnucash/migratable-prefs.xml. The full terminal output is attached
for your info.

Regards
David

On Tue, 2021-09-28 at 13:55 -0700, John Ralls wrote:
> The GnuCash development team announces GnuCash 4.8, the ninth release in the
> stable 4.x series
> 
> This is a snap release to fix crashes during migration. The macOS and Win32
> GnuCash bundles were not affected; if you use either of those you do not need
> this release.
> Between 4.7 and 4.8, the following bugfixes were accomplished:
> 
> None
> The following fixes and improvements were not associated with bug reports:
> 
> [gsettings] Avoid crash from settings schema not being registered.
> Rethink how gsettings migration file is constructed
> GSettings hotfix - resolve crash due to bad schema reference
> [gnc-plugin-page-register] call invoice editor with parent window
> [assistant-stock-split] set parent window properly
> 
> New API
> 
> None
> Deprecations
> 
> None
> 
> New and Updated Translations: None.
> Known Problems
> 
> 
> Complete list of all open bugs: 
> https://bugs.gnucash.org/buglist.cgi?bug_severity=blocker&bug_severity=critical&bug_severity=major&bug_severity=normal&bug_severity=minor&bug_severity=trivial&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=REOPENED&limit=0&list_id=8149&order=priority%2Cbug_severity&query_format=advanced
> 
> Documentation
> 
> Concurrent with the release of GnuCash 4.8 we're pleased to also release a new
> version of the companion Help and Tutorial and Concepts Guide
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> 
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> 
> Remove obsolete files.
> Remove autotools.
> 
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> 
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> 

Re: [GNC] Account setup

[davidcousens49]

Rogier

The GunCash Help manual 
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-help/trans-edit.html discusses this
very briefly " press the Split button on the Toolbar or select Actions → Split
Transaction". The entry of multisplit transactions is discussed in detail  in
the help manual at 
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-help/trans-multi-enter.html. 

There is also some discussion in the Guide 
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-guide/chapter_txns.html. 


Once the splits of the transaction are displayed you can use the mouse or tab
key to get to the item you wish to change. The tab key ( nd not the Enter key)
can take you past the last split line in a transaction to add an additional line
where necessary. The accounts fields will give you drop down lists to select
from. GnuCash forces a transaction to be balanced, i.e. the sums of credit and
debit entries (or deposit and withdrawal if using nonaccounting terminology)
must be equal and GnuCash will arbitrarily introduce an entry to an imbalance
account to force this when editing or entering multisplit transactions. 

The trick is to adjust the debits and credits to the other desired transaction
splits so that any entry to an imbalance account split becomes zero before
pressing enter to close the transaction. This can be a challenge until you get
the hang of it.

David Cousens


 
On Tue, 2021-09-28 at 19:04 -0400, Rogier F. van Vlissingen wrote:
> thanks,
> 
> I agree with you, in this case though it is about the one time setup of the
> opening balances, and I made a typo, but I was not able to figure out how
> to edit the transaction. But I think maybe I have it now, I think it is you
> go in to the GL Journal and then you can edit the line items. The whole
> point is that if you keep that setup in ONE transaction, you can make sure
> that it balances. Having said that, I am not clear how to add another line
> item to an existing transaction.
> 
> For anything after that, I would agree with your observation that it is not
> kosher to edit a transaction, you always make a correcting entry. I think
> what I have here is a special case, just setting up the opening balances. I
> was moving from QB to Gnucash.
> 
> 
> <
> http://rogierfentenervanvlissingen.me?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb
> >
> Rogier Fentener van Vlissingen 
> 
> <
> http://rogierfentenervanvlissingen.me?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb
> >
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 6:23 PM Michael or Penny Novack <
> stepbystepf...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> > On 9/28/2021 1:16 PM, Rogier F. van Vlissingen wrote:
> > > Thanks to everyone for helping out.
> > > 
> > > What worked for me in the end was
> > > 
> > > 1. to set up the COA first, without attempting any opening balances,
> > and
> > > then
> > > 2. to create a single transaction to set up the opening balances on
> > > 1/1/2020.
> > > 
> > > As it was, I had an ending trial balance on 12/31/2020, but there were a
> > > few mistakes floating around, so in my setup, I made those corrections,
> > and
> > > settled it against retained earnings, by making that the final line item
> > in
> > > my opening transaction.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > - One thing I was not able to figure out. If I do set up this way,
> > and I
> > > made a mistake in my initial g/l transaction is there a way to edit
> > that
> > > transaction, or am I doomed to simply start over and do it the right
> > way?
> > > - And since I made a false starts, I now have a couple of sets of
> > books
> > > that I want to get rid of, but I wasn't sure how to do it, other
> > than just
> > > deleting the file in the file system.
> > 
> > a) Correcting the books --- this depends on how formal you are. Gnucash
> > will allow you to edit exiting transactions. That is the informal way,
> > maybe OK for personal books unlikely to be audited. The technically
> > correct way in formal bookkeeping is to enter a correction transaction
> > offsetting the error, with description referring to the original being
> > corrected. That's what I do, but then most of my books are
> > organizational, not my personal books. A treasurer of an organization
> > should do it the right way.
> > 
> > b) Deleting  books --- yes, simply delete the file. Just like to make a
> > backup you make a copy of the file.
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Re: [GNC] Problems setting up first OFX transaction download

[davidcousens49]

David,

Are you using the information in the Wiki pages 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Setting_up_OFXDirectConnect. Towards the bottom of
the page there is a section on enabling OFX logging  which may provide you with
more diagnostic info if you are not already using it. Also the pages on
debugging aqbanking https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/AqBanking#Debugging may
provide some help.

David Cousens

On Wed, 2021-09-29 at 14:25 -0600, David Ellis wrote:
> I have been using Quicken for home and business for years to keep my one man
> office books. It does everything I need, especially auto-population of bank
> transactions in register for preparing financial statements. Now converting
> to GnuCash and used the wizard to a) import to gnu from Quicken data file,
> then b) set up OFX transaction download from bank directly to gnu. Got data
> import great, but efforts to get OFX duds. I am a retired dba so I kind of
> know what I'm doing, but didn't help much. I called the bank and worked with
> a tech person there but a detailed review of each item in the wizard didn't
> get anywhere with her either. I kept getting the error that there were no
> new transactions to download since the last one, which was 3 weeks and 29
> transactions ago. Am I going to just have to download CSV monthly and import
> to gnu or can I actually get OFX to work?  Thanks, David
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash 4.8: doesn't read or store config

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Hi Geert,

For your info if it will help diagnose problems on other Linux systems. As far
as I cn tell GunCash 4.8 is reading the preferences when they exist on Linux
Mint 20.2. I up graded from 4.6 via a patched version of 4.7 and then to 4.8
with a further patch suggested by John. Both 4.7 and 4.8 built from scratch from
the downloaded tarball. These still show up under .local/share/gnucash/ for the
books reports etc and .config/gnucash for the gtk style sheets.  The file
modifications times and dates indicate changes (I deliberately changed a few
setting exited and then restarted and then changed them back). I am presuming
the /org/gnucash/GnuCash translates to these locations during installation as I
cannot find any such directories on my computer.

David

On Thu, 2021-10-07 at 09:29 +0200, Geert Janssens wrote:
> Hi Thomas,
> 
> Klaus hasn't filed a bug yet. If you can, please do.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Geert
> 
> Op woensdag 6 oktober 2021 16:25:41 CEST schreef boer...@t-online.de:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I am experiencing the same issue coming from 4.6 and upgrading to 4.8 from
> > an OpenSuse Repo. One thing that I have in common with Klaus is that we
> > both skipped 4.7
> > 
> > Indeed in Dconf I can find a new preference path /org/gnucash/GnuCash along
> > with the old /org/gnucash. However, gnucash 4.8 doesn't seem to take care
> > of this path. Neither changes in my settings are reflected there nor
> > changes done directly in Dconf (e.g. set time format to 24h) have any
> > effect. Moreover the default preference for the date format is ISO
> > (2021-10-06), while gnucash uses the US format (10/06/2021) persistently.
> > So it appears to me that gnucash neather reads nor writes from/to the new
> > preferences path in this situation.
> > 
> > @Klaus: Did you file that bug already? So it might be worth to add this
> > information there.
> > 
> > Best
> > Thomas
> > 
> > Tue Oct 5 06:21:11 EDT 2021 Geert Janssens geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > This likely means for some reason the preference migration hasn't run.
> > > 
> > > I'd like to figure out why if you're willing to work with me on debugging
> > > this. If so, please file a bug so we can track our research there.
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > Geert
> > > 
> > > Op maandag 4 oktober 2021 23:06:13 CEST schreef Klaus Dahlke:
> > > > Hi,
> > > > I run gnucash 4.5 on ArchLinux and compile gnucash from the sources.
> > > > Yesterday I wanted to upgrade/install gnucash 4.8 by:
> > > > 
> > > > cmake -D CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/home/klaus -G Ninja ..
> > > > ninja
> > > > ninja install
> > > > 
> > > > All went smoothly, but when starting gnucash, the warning/error came up:
> > > > no
> > > > book found (or similar), i.e., gnucash starts but no accounts, register
> > > > etc
> > > > are there. I then went to File -> Open' and opened the postgres
> > > > database.
> > > > The data were read, but not displayed as expected: currency was USD,
> > > > date
> > > > format was US,  no register color etc. I changed some of Preferences as
> > > > setting the register color scheme to gnucash default, currency to Er,
> > > > date
> > > > format etc. But after exiting and restarting gnucash, none of the
> > > > preference settings where save. The warning message and teh look and
> > > > feel
> > > > was exactly the same as right after compile.
> > > > 
> > > > I then switched back to gnucash 4.5 by compiling it from the sources by
> > > > the
> > > > above method and all works fine again.
> > > > 
> > > > Did I miss something in the installation procedure or is it worth filing
> > > > a
> > > > bug?
> > > > 
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Re: [GNC] Dividend payout entry

[davidcousens49]

Foad,

You could likely pay the dividend to yourself out of Retained Earnings annotated
accordingly. Other than that local practice and any tax treatment may need to be
considered. E.g. If you are subject to company tax whether your dividend is paid
out after tax or before tax which could have imp[lications if your jurisdiction
has a tax imputation scheme. Best to consult a local accountant who is familiar
with your jurisdictional rules and requirements.

There will be a credit entry to the bank account for the dividend amount and a 
debit entry to Equity:Retained earnings for the same amount. 
If the dividend is more complex and was a distribution to other shareholders
then it might be more appropriate to create an Equity:Dividends Paid account in
which the dividend payments to the individual shareholders were recorded and
first transfer the total amount for the dividends into that account and record
the individual payments to shareholders against this account against it.

David Cousens


On Mon, 2021-10-11 at 12:53 -0700, Foad Kasiri wrote:
> Hi:
> I live in Canada and work as a consultant under my own one person consultant
> incorporated company . I was wondering how to enter the dividend payout to
> myself in Gnucash? I have Equity folder with two subfolders: Opening Balance
> and Retained Earning. I did the following but I think it is more entry needed.
> Thanks.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Foad
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Re: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes

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Lisa 

It may help if you can tell us what the previous version was and which version
you have now upgraded to.

On the reconciliation setup dialog under the Ending Balance entry there is a
checkbox "Include subaccounts" which AFAIK by default is not checked. Try
selecting that when starting the reconciliation and see if that restores some of
the functionality you are used to. As far as I can tell once you have selected
that option in the dialog for a given account it remains in force for subsequent
reconciliations until you unselect it again but I am not completely sure how
sticky that option is and whether it does set a flag in the account structure. 

Any reconciliation process only acts on a single account and as such only marks
the splits of a transaction into that that account. You do not reconcile a whole
transaction unless you have individually reconciled  all accounts that the
transaction has splits to. Splits to an account which has not been reconciled
will generally be marked with a "n" ( and maybe a "c" in some cases) and splits
to a reconciled account with a "y". If a previous version of GNuCash did do this
then that behaviour was incorrect. I have been using GnuCash for a similar
period of time and I can't recall any version in which a whole transaction not
just the split was reconciled.

David Cousens

On Tue, 2021-10-12 at 12:29 -0700, Lisa Reynoso wrote:
> I've used GNU cash for years. Like, over 15 years. I used it before I was
> married, so it's definitely been more than 15 years.
> 
> Anyway, I never upgrade except when I get a new computer, and then I
> install whatever is the latest, and transfer the files from the old version
> (or in my most recent case, I just started over, because the computer
> reformatted without my permission--yeah, that was a nightmare!). When this
> latest install happened, something had changed about how the reconciliation
> works. Always before when I had a transfer from one subaccount within an
> account to another, or if it was a split transaction, when I would check
> one box in the reconciliation window, all boxes pertaining to that
> transaction would check. For example, suppose I had extra gas money at the
> end of the month, but had overspent my grocery fund. I could transfer from
> the gas to the grocery subaccounts, and when I reconciled, I could check
> one box and it would mark them on both the credit and debit sides, without
> me having to hunt for the opposite transaction. Likewise, when I deposit a
> check, I usually divide it among various accounts, and all I had to do was
> click one of the subaccount deposits, and all the other deposits from the
> same check would be marked as well. Now, that's not the case. And I can't
> find an old enough version for Windows 10 that does that anymore. Anyone
> have any ideas? It now takes almost twice as long for me to reconcile,
> since I have a lot of subaccounts and do a lot of internal transferring
> within my checking account that doesn't show up on my bank statement.
> Having to look for the parallel transactions or figuring out which split
> transactions go together takes more time. I'm almost ready to try to find
> some other software, but I've used this for so long I really don't want to
> switch.
> 
> Lisa
> 

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Re: [GNC] Can I reverse the "deposit" and "withdrawal" columns for checkbook entry?

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Tom there is no need to do this. 
Your bank records transactions from its perspective. What is an asset to you is
a Liability to them and vice versa so the column names in your accounts will
always be reversed from the column names in the bank's statement of your account
with them.

David Cousens



On Sat, 2021-10-16 at 10:22 -0500, Tom Browder wrote:
> My bank's checkbook register has the "withdrawal" and "deposit" columns in
> the reverse order of that shown in Gnucash. Is there any way to reverse
> them in Gnucash for ease of use?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> -Tom
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Re: [GNC] Undo Reconciliation

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Joe,

In the reconciliation window it is possible to click on the debit or credit pane
and then use CTRL-A to select all displayed transactions in either pane and
either set them as reconciled or unreconciled.

There is not any other mechanim to unreconcile transactions other than one at a
time in the register.

David Cousens

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> Hello,
> How do I unreconcile about 100 transactions in an account?
> Thank you,
> Joe
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Re: [GNC] Ways to account for monthly VAT declaration

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Nodje

Have you seen the wiki https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GB/HMRC

David Cousens

On Tue, 2021-10-19 at 15:54 +0200, coolnodje wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've been looking into the available reports to find a way to get an 
> account summary of the VAT collected and spent for a given month.
> 
> I haven't found anything satisfying unfortunately.
> 
> My VAT accounts are setup as indicated in Gnucash documentation (All 
> accounts are under Liability)
> 
> What I want is an automated way to get the amount I need to declare (the 
> tally of the different VAT spent minus the VAT collected with my invoices).
> 
> Thanks for sharing your views on this.
> 
> -nodje
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Re: [GNC] Imbalance on Fixed Income Transaction

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Hi Bruce

It is a formal requirement in double entry accounting theory that the sum of the
debit entries/splits for a transaction should equal the sum of the credit
entries or splits.

Most transactions only have two splits but in the entry of transactions with 
more than two splits if you enter a transaction (pressing the enter key) 
GnuCash will assign any imbalance in these sums for the transaction to an 
imbalance account in the currency (and generate that account if it doees not 
exist. 
The purpose of this is to alert you that an unbalanced transaction has been
entered and by how much it is unbalanced. Any non-zero balance in an Imbalance
account is an indication that a transaction is in error or incomplete and
unbalanced. The transaction entry to the Imbalance account enforces that formal
accounting requirement for the transaction, even though it has been entered
unbalanced.

This can generally be fixed by viewing the transaction from any register but
most usefully from the Imbalance account register and altering the destination
account for the split from the Imbalance account to an appropriate account in
your CoA. The transaction split to the Imbalance account will then disappear and
its balance should return to 0.

When entering transactions with more than two entries/splits if you use the tab
key to get to a new line to enter the next split in the transaction, not the
enter key, you should not encounter this problem.

"Orphan" accounts perform a similar function when an account is deleted without
reassigning all transaction splits to that account to another account before
deleting the account.

David Cousens




On Thu, 2021-10-21 at 23:44 +0200, Bruce wrote:
> Just setting up GnuCash 3.8b+(2019-12-29) for the first time
> on an HP EliteDesk 800 G1 running LinuxMint v20.02 Cinnamon.
> And yes, I've had Bookkeeping-101 in College, 40+ yrs ago.
> And it was processed by an IBM 360 Mainframe.
> 
> What I'm not understanding is the basics behind the "Imbalance" result.
> I have set up all the top level accounts, and then added FI1 and FI2 (Fixed
> Income 1&2) as subs below the 'Income' top level account.
> 
> My two FI's come in at different times, one on the first of each month, the
> other on the Second Wednesday, which I will eventually want to set up
> recurring automatic transactions for those two sources (which I basically
> already have figured out).
> 
> After opening the register (ledger) for FI1 and entering a transaction for
> that allotment, lets say $1000.00 and saving it, then opening the transaction
> register for account FI2, and doing the same, for the same amount and saving
> that...   The main top level account page shows a total income of $2000.00,
> which is correct and I understand, but directly above that is the "Imbalance-
> USD" line, and if each transaction is once again opened each shows an
> 'Imbalance' for the Transfer field in the amount of the transaction.
> 
> I have reconciled both of these transactions basically meaning that I have
> seen proof that the transaction occurred by statement or by funds-in-hand and
> ticked the "R" box in the respective line, which changed to a "c", and is now
> a "y".  But the 'Imbalance' notice remains and the amount does not change.
> 
> Once the transactions are reconciled, should not the imbalance go away ?
> 
> I realize the answer to this is likely a simple one,
> but it is alluding me at the moment, input appreciated.
> 
> And lastly...  Is it advisable to update to v4.8 under Mint ?
> I notice that the doc page says it should be available through the 'Software
> Center' on Ubuntu, but I just installed THIS version (3.8) from the Mint
> 'Software Manager', and I'm limited to Cellular downloads at the moment, so
> I'd rather not do the 800+MB FlatHub (which is v4.8).
> 
> Bruce
> (just another old retired Vet trying to keep his funds straight)
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Re: [GNC] how to link an expense (a tax) to a invoice being issued

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Mattia,

When you purchase tax stamps in advance, they become a temporary asset of your
business which you would expense at the time you attach then to an invoice.when
you purchase the stamps you would credit your bank account by the amount of the
purchase and debit an appropriate asset account (e.g.
Asset:Current:TaxStampsPrepaid).

If you don't pass the tax onto the customer it won't appear as a line item in
the invoice and simply becomes an expense on your business. You would at the
same time as you raise the invoice and attach the tax stamp create a transaction
which credits the above asset account and debits an Expense:TaxPaid account.

If you are passing it on to the customerthen create a secondline in the invoice,
Add an appropriate description,set the Income account to
Asset:Current:TaxStampsPrepaid and set the amount of the attached tax stamp.
This will add the value of the tax stamp to the A/R account and credit
Asset:Current:TaxStampsPrepaid 

On the other hand when you raise an electronic invoice and payment is deferred
to a future date, then the tax component is a liability on your business which
you would record inan account labelled something like
Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred.

Again if your business is paying the tax and it is not being passed onto the
customer then in parallel to raising the customer invoice you would create a
separate transaction which credits Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred and debits an
expense account Expense:TaxPaid and there would be no line item in the invoice
to the customer.

If you are passing the tax onto the customer, then when you raise the invoice
you add a second line for the tax , set the Income Account to your
Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred account and enter the amount of the tax payable
in that line. This will create a credit to the Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred
account with a matching debit added to the sum of the other lines to the A/R
account.

Wehn your tax liability is paid your check account is credited by the total of
the amount paid and the Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred account is debited by the
same amount.

This is of course a generic treatment and may be altered by specific regulations
and law which may apply in your jurisdiction.


David Cousens


On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 00:01 +0200, Mattia Rizzolo wrote:
> Hi people!
> 
> With the disclaimer that I'm keeping these books for myself, as I'm not
> required by law to keep them at all, here I come ask you about this
> specific tax.
> 
> Also, this turned quite longer than I thought it would, actually while
> writing my thoughts cleared quite a bit... :)  Guess that's a kind of
> "rubber duck debugging"!
> For the quicker version go straight to below where I describe my case in
> way more practical terms.
> 
> 
> 
> Background:
> When I issue an invoice I may (or may not) have to pay a 2€ duty stamp
> and attach it to the invoice.  That's an effect specific to the fact
> that I produced a document, and I also need to attach such duty stamp
> to credit notes, for example.
> Now, if I do a paper invoice, I most likely already bought weeks/months
> prior a stash of those duty stamps.  Instead, if I'm doing an electronic
> invoice, the payment for those stamp is deferred to the next quarter.
> Furthermore, I may or may not (my choice) bill the customer for the
> expense of this duty stamp.
> 
> So I am a bit lost on how to properly account for this thing.  To me is
> an expense, that may or may not be charged back to the customer, but I
> would also like to gather data on, like, how many invoices I'm issuing
> that I am not billing the duty stamp on, so I wouldn't like to "hide"
> them into some random expense/income account.
> The different methods of actual payment of them (in advance or
> postponed) surely doesn't help make it straightforward.
> 
> Probably the hardest part is that I would really like to tie the expense
> to each invoice.  I have no clue if there even is a way to do that, but
> it doesn't seem like there is one.  Handling invoices through the
> GnuCash invoice system makes it impossible to me to add random splits,
> is there even a chance I could do this?
> If not, guess I would be stuck creating a separate transaction manually
> each time I issue an invoice.  (in the below examples, I'm referring
> specifically to the two splits that invoice Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps) and
> simply "linking" that expense to the invoice by the memo field.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To clarify and recap, here was my thinking:
> 
> 
> 1. The accounts (simplified naming, I have a deeper tree):
> Balance
>Assets:Banks:Checking500.00
>Assets:Cash   50.00
>Assets:AR  0.-
>Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps0.-
>Income:Invoices0.-
>Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Pre 2.00-
>Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Post0.-
> 
>I decided to separate the Pre and Post variant of duty stamps 

Re: [GNC] how to link an expense (a tax) to a invoice being issued

[davidcousens49]

Hi Mattia,

I think you summay has captured the essentials. Whether you use a Liability or
an Asset Acciunt to record the value of the stamps will not matter in practice
but an asset account more correctly reflects the actual situation.  

My description is appropriate when your business is using an "accrual" counting
methodology. This primarily relates to the timing of the recording of income and
expenses. Some jurisdictions allow a "cash" accounting basis usually unde a
specific turnover or income threshold where events are recorded at the time the
money actuallyexchanges hands.

If you are passing the tax through to the customer, it is the customer who is
actually paying the tax. You are in effect acting as an unpaid agent for the tax
office. You are receiving back from the customer the amount you paid for the tax
stamps so it is revenue and expense neutral. This is the primary reason it is
not an expense for you. 

David Cousens

On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 11:59 +0200, Mattia Rizzolo wrote:
> Hi David, thank you for your insights!
> 
> So, to highlight the differences between my thoughts and yours:
> 
>  * prepaid stamps as an asset, not a negative liability
>  * tax passed as-is to the customers are not actually expensed (since
>the invoice would have as the "income account" to debit the
>Assets:TaxStampsPrepaid or Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred accounts
>directly)
>  * when not passing the tax stamp onto the customer, that would be my
>expense, without any direct link to the actual invoice.
> 
> 
> Is my understanding here correct?
> Especially, from a formality point of view, is it really correct to *not*
> expense the tax stamps I'm passing over to customers?
> 
> -Mattia
> 
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 12:26:18PM +1000, davidcousen...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Mattia,
> > 
> > When you purchase tax stamps in advance, they become a temporary asset of
> > your
> > business which you would expense at the time you attach then to an
> > invoice.when
> > you purchase the stamps you would credit your bank account by the amount of
> > the
> > purchase and debit an appropriate asset account (e.g.
> > Asset:Current:TaxStampsPrepaid).
> > 
> > If you don't pass the tax onto the customer it won't appear as a line item
> > in
> > the invoice and simply becomes an expense on your business. You would at the
> > same time as you raise the invoice and attach the tax stamp create a
> > transaction
> > which credits the above asset account and debits an Expense:TaxPaid account.
> > 
> > If you are passing it on to the customerthen create a secondline in the
> > invoice,
> > Add an appropriate description,set the Income account to
> > Asset:Current:TaxStampsPrepaid and set the amount of the attached tax stamp.
> > This will add the value of the tax stamp to the A/R account and credit
> > Asset:Current:TaxStampsPrepaid 
> > 
> > On the other hand when you raise an electronic invoice and payment is
> > deferred
> > to a future date, then the tax component is a liability on your business
> > which
> > you would record inan account labelled something like
> > Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred.
> > 
> > Again if your business is paying the tax and it is not being passed onto the
> > customer then in parallel to raising the customer invoice you would create a
> > separate transaction which credits Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred and debits
> > an
> > expense account Expense:TaxPaid and there would be no line item in the
> > invoice
> > to the customer.
> > 
> > If you are passing the tax onto the customer, then when you raise the
> > invoice
> > you add a second line for the tax , set the Income Account to your
> > Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred account and enter the amount of the tax
> > payable
> > in that line. This will create a credit to the
> > Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred
> > account with a matching debit added to the sum of the other lines to the A/R
> > account.
> > 
> > Wehn your tax liability is paid your check account is credited by the total
> > of
> > the amount paid and the Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred account is debited by
> > the
> > same amount.
> > 
> > This is of course a generic treatment and may be altered by specific
> > regulations
> > and law which may apply in your jurisdiction.
> > 
> > 
> > David Cousens
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 00:01 +0200, Mattia Rizzolo wrote:
> > > Hi people!
> > > 
> > > With the disclaimer that I'm keeping these books for myself, as I'm not
> > > required by law to keep them at all, here I come ask you about this
> > > specific tax.
> > > 
> > > Also, this turned quite longer than I thought it would, actually while
> > > writing my thoughts cleared quite a bit... :)  Guess that's a kind of
> > > "rubber duck debugging"!
> > > For the quicker version go straight to below where I describe my case in
> > > way more practical terms.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Background:
> > > When I issue an invoice I may (or may not) have to pay a 2€ duty stamp
> > > and attach

Re: [GNC] link bank statement to all reconciled transactions?

[davidcousens49]

Mattia

A reconciliation deals with all the splits to a specifc account for a specified
date range from any transactions to any other account. There is not a single
entity transaction or split to associate a document with. At present AFAIK there
is no way of associating the external statement document to a reconciliation
such that you could open the statement from that association from within
GnuCash. 

If this were to be done it would have to be a link in the account data structure
and either a list of URIs to the documents, not just a single URI, or perhaps a
URI to a directory in which the individual account statements are stored which
would open a OS file open dialog. I store all my statements  (and OFX downloads
 in their own directory) coded with their date range for a given account in a
single directory. I rarely find myself having to go back to past reconciliations
or OFX downloads, so personally this would not be a high priority for me. I
would use it if available of course. 
 
The GnuCash data structures have a key-value pair feature that could allow
attachemnt of a URI for reconciliation data to the account data structure fairly
easily, however it is the coding to make this useful which takes the time. 

If you think that this is a useful  addition you can raise a bug in the form of
an enhancement request. It would then require one of the develpment team to take
it up and implement it. Unless there is a high demand for the feature and
availability of a developer with the requisite skills and understanding of the
GnuCash code in that area, then it may take some time to reach the top of one of
the developer's priorities.

David cousens

 On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 19:51 +0200, Mattia Rizzolo wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> somehow my googling doesn't even suggest anybody ever asked this…
> 
> Is there a way so that all reconciled transactions link to a document
> (say, the actual bank statement) while also linking to their own
> attached documents?
> 
> It feels like this would be solved if a document was property of a
> split, but being a property of the whole transaction it means only one
> document per transaction right?
> Or perhaps a property of the "split:reconciled-state" element, but then
> it would be even more something attached to the split and not to the
> transaction I guess.
> 
> 
> This is even ignoring the fact that there doesn't seem a UI to link the
> same document to multiple transactions.
> 
> 
> How do people normally link their "official" bank statement to their
> books in gnucash?
> 
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Re: [GNC] Error importing QIF file

[davidcousens49]

The best chance of locating the source of an import error in a file exported
from Android is to compare its file format with what is known of the QIF format
and look for some deviations from this. Unfortunately QIF is a proprietary
format although Intuit did make some information publicly available 
http://www.intuit.com/quicken/technical-support/quicken/old-faqs/dosfaqs/60006.html
. 
and w3.org has a QIF format summary
https://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/qif-doc/QIF-doc.htm.

If your file has no investment related transactions then it would seem likely
that another transaction is being interpreted by the importer as a share
transaction because of an error in its format. 

David Cousens

On Sun, 2021-10-24 at 02:55 +, parag puranik via gnucash-user wrote:
> I want to know why the error message arises and further how to import such a
> file in desktop.The data in the file can very well be read in Excel file. But
> I want to get that data into Desktop Gnucash directly (not by manually
> entering each transaction again in Desktop version).
> 
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Re: [GNC] Error importing QIF file

[davidcousens49]

Parag,

The QIF importer component of GnuCash has been in place for a long time (well 
over 10 years to my knowledge and there have been few changes to the code base 
for it in that time). It has been  used to import data from Quicken over that 
time so it is less likely for there to be a problem in teh importer code rather 
than in the export code for the Android app. 
The Android app was not developed and is not  supported by the main GnuCash
community and was developed by an external party who no longer is able to
support it. AFAIK it is written in JAVA not C,C++,and Scheme like the GnuCash
desktop app is so there is little direct code compatibility and very few people,
if any, with any knowledge of its operation who could possibly provide any
support for it. GnuCash is supported totally by a volunteer development team
which means resources are normally very stretched. 

You may be able to get more information relating to the source of the problem by
running the desktop version in debugging mode  while doing the importing. (
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Logging), 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Windows_Debugging, 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Tracefile.

The hard part will be identifying which specific records are causing the
problem. I know nothing of the Android app capability but if you are able to
create separate exports for single accounts and import them separately, it may
help in isolating the problem area. If you are able to identify and give us
examples of the records causing the import problem and they are correctly
formatted QIF, then we can look at whether the importer code is a problem.
Without that there is not enough information to begin looking for a problem in
the importer code and no evidence that it is even an importer code problem.



On Sun, 2021-10-24 at 05:01 +, parag puranik via gnucash-user wrote:
> David thanks for the hint to compare the file with standard QIF format. The
> app has no provision for entering any share transaction. It is only a robust
> double-entry book-keeping app -(plain and simple) - running on Sqlite3 at the
> backend, ensuring excellent data integrity. Hence I do not quit understand as
> to how the desktop version interprets it wrongly and generates error message
> at all ! Can u please refer this problem to 'appropriate' experts on sqlite
> DBMS ? (since I am new to Gnucash mailing lists, having subscribed less than
> 24 hours back).
> 
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Re: [GNC] Export Current Search

[davidcousens49]

Mike,

I have justed tested that on GnuCash 4.8 and it works exactly as described. I
you left click/select the File menu item, then hover the mouse pointer over
Export in the dropdownlist that appears that will bring up another drop down
list to the right of the Export entryover Export then l. Left click Active
Register to CSV from that list. That should start a dialogue which will allow
you to export the contents of the Search register. 

The menu in GnuCash is context sensitive sensitive so the search register will
have to be the active register. It should be the active register after
completing the search if you haven't gone back to another register but you can
just click on the tab header to make it the active register.

David Cousens

On Tue, 2021-11-02 at 07:31 +, Mike Stillingfleet wrote:
> Dear GNUCash Forum,
> 
> Firstly I how that I have posted this correctly.
> 
> I have read in the GNU Cash help that if I have focus on the current search I
> should see 4 export options and one of those will be File->Export->Export
> Active Register to CSV.
> 
> I do not have that option.
> 
> Is this something that has been removed?
> 
> How else could I export the current search?
> 
> TIA
> 

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Re: [GNC] Export Current Search

[davidcousens49]

Mike 

you might want to look at this recent thread re upgrading from GnuCashV2 to V4
https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2021-May/096480.html

David Cousens


On Tue, 2021-11-02 at 19:32 +, Mike Stillingfleet wrote:
> Ah OK. It would appear that I might be a little out of date. If I up date will
> my data be safe??
> 
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 7:05 PM, David Carlson wrote:
> > You stumped the experts and the rest of us too.  Nobody remembers whether
> > that option was available that long ago.   You would have a rather long
> > migration path to the current release of 4.8 or so, depending on whether you
> > have data files and reports to update too.  
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 1:44 PM Mike Stillingfleet <
> > mikestillingfl...@fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > __
> > > 2.6.16 windows 10.
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 6:39 PM, David Carlson wrote:
> > > > John asked "What version of
> > > > > GnuCash and what operating system/distro?"
> > > > 
> > > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 1:24 PM Mike Stillingfleet <
> > > > mikestillingfl...@fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > Yes.
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 6:18 PM, John Ralls wrote:
> > > > > > Is a register page displayed in the main window? What version of 
> > > > > > GnuCash and what operating system/distro?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > John Ralls
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Nov 2, 2021, at 11:06 AM, Mike Stillingfleet <
> > > > > > > mikestillingfl...@fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > OK well I am afraid that I do not see that on my GNUCASH.  
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 5:32 PM, John Ralls wrote:
> > > > > > > > No, the Help is literally correct: There is a menu item "Export
> > > > > > > > Current 
> > > > > > > > Register to CSV..." but *only* if a register tab has focus.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > John Ralls
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 2, 2021, at 10:25 AM, Mike Stillingfleet <
> > > > > > > > > mikestillingfl...@fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > OK so the option  export transactions is what the help is
> > > > > > > > > referring to? 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 3:48 PM, john wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > No, Help is correct. As David pointed out that item is
> > > > > > > > > > presented only if the current active tab is a register.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > > John Ralls
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 2, 2021, at 1:28 AM, Mike Stillingfleet <
> > > > > > > > > > > mikestillingfl...@fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Thank you Michael.  This works. So the help files for
> > > > > > > > > > > GNUcash which show the fourth option no longer apply.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 8:24 AM, Michael Hendry wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 Nov 2021, at 07:31, Mike Stillingfleet 
> > > > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear GNUCash Forum,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Firstly I how that I have posted this correctly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have read in the GNU Cash help that if I have focus
> > > > > > > > > > > > > on the current search I should see 4 export options
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and one of those will be File->Export->Export Active
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Register to CSV.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not have that option.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this something that has been removed?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > How else could I export the current search?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > TIA
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > After you have run the search, you will have a “Search
> > > > > > > > > > > > Results” tab open.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > From the “Reports” menu, choose “Account Report”.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Click the “Export” button, and save the file to HTML.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Before the Export stage, you can adjust the contents of
> > > > > > > > > > > > the report 
> > > > > > > > > > > > using the “Options” button.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > I’m using LibreOffice for the next stage, but presumably
> > > > > > > > > > > > other office 
> > > > > > > > > > > > suites will do the same.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Open the HTML file in LibreOffice.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Select All, and Copy to clipboard.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Open a new Spreadsheet file.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Paste.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Save As CSV.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >

Re: [GNC] Export Current Search

[davidcousens49]

Upgrade 2.6 to 3.5 
https://www.mail-archive.com/gnucash-user@gnucash.org/msg13291.html
I think Geert's post which was the in thread (scroll down)I posted earlier is a
bit more complete as it discusses reports and preferences as well as changes to
the data file. 

Possibly worth putting a summary in the Wiki re upgrades from earlier version.

David Cousens
On Wed, 2021-11-03 at 07:15 +, Alan A Holmes wrote:
> Some while ago Adrien Monteleone went through all the steps necessary to
> upgrade from a very old V2.x of GnuCash to the last V2.y, then to V3.x and
> then to V4.x. I've just had a quick look at the archives but can't find it.
> Perhaps someone can find it more easily, or perhaps Adrien himself can point
> to it.
> 
> 
> Alan A Holmes
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: gnucash-user  > On Behalf Of Mike Stillingfleet
> Sent: 02 November 2021 19:32
> To: David Carlson 
> Cc: Gnucash Users 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Export Current Search
> 
> Ah OK. It would appear that I might be a little out of date. If I up date will
> my data be safe??
> 
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 7:05 PM, David Carlson wrote:
> > You stumped the experts and the rest of us too.  Nobody remembers whether
> > that option was available that long ago.   You would have a rather long
> > migration path to the current release of 4.8 or so, depending on whether you
> > have data files and reports to update too.  
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 1:44 PM Mike Stillingfleet <
> > mikestillingfl...@fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > __
> > > 2.6.16 windows 10.
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 6:39 PM, David Carlson wrote:
> > > > John asked "What version of
> > > > > GnuCash and what operating system/distro?"
> > > > 
> > > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 1:24 PM Mike Stillingfleet <
> > > > mikestillingfl...@fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > Yes.
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 6:18 PM, John Ralls wrote:
> > > > > > Is a register page displayed in the main window? What version of 
> > > > > > GnuCash and what operating system/distro?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > John Ralls
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Nov 2, 2021, at 11:06 AM, Mike Stillingfleet <
> > > > > > > mikestillingfl...@fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > OK well I am afraid that I do not see that on my GNUCASH.  
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 5:32 PM, John Ralls wrote:
> > > > > > > > No, the Help is literally correct: There is a menu item "Export 
> > > > > > > > Current Register to CSV..." but *only* if a register tab has
> > > > > > > > focus.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > John Ralls
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 2, 2021, at 10:25 AM, Mike Stillingfleet <
> > > > > > > > > mikestillingfl...@fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > OK so the option  export transactions is what the help is
> > > > > > > > > referring to? 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 3:48 PM, john wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > No, Help is correct. As David pointed out that item is
> > > > > > > > > > presented only if the current active tab is a register.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > > John Ralls
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 2, 2021, at 1:28 AM, Mike Stillingfleet <
> > > > > > > > > > > mikestillingfl...@fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Thank you Michael.  This works. So the help files for
> > > > > > > > > > > GNUcash which show the fourth option no longer apply.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 8:24 AM, Michael Hendry wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 Nov 2021, at 07:31, Mike Stillingfleet 
> > > > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear GNUCash Forum,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Firstly I how that I have posted this correctly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have read in the GNU Cash help that if I have focus
> > > > > > > > > > > > > on the current search I should see 4 export options
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and one of those will be File->Export->Export Active
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Register to CSV.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not have that option.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this something that has been removed?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > How else could I export the current search?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > TIA
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > After you have run the search, you will have a “Search
> > > > > > > > > > > > Results” tab open.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > From the “Reports” menu, choose “Account Report”.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Click the “Export” button, and save the file to HTML.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Before the Expo

Re: [GNC] Export Current Search

[davidcousens49]

Thanks John, 
I'll try and get a bit of spare time and trawl through the archives to update
the wiki then. Will likely need a bit of proofing afterwards.
Cheers
David

On Wed, 2021-11-03 at 11:20 -0700, john wrote:
> There's already some of that at 
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Using_Different_Versions.2C_Up_And_Downgrade
> , but the instructions aren't as clear as Geert's post.
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls
> 
> 
> > On Nov 3, 2021, at 2:02 AM, davidcousen...@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > Upgrade 2.6 to 3.5 
> > https://www.mail-archive.com/gnucash-user@gnucash.org/msg13291.html
> > I think Geert's post which was the in thread (scroll down)I posted earlier
> > is a
> > bit more complete as it discusses reports and preferences as well as changes
> > to
> > the data file. 
> > 
> > Possibly worth putting a summary in the Wiki re upgrades from earlier
> > version.
> > 
> > David Cousens
> > On Wed, 2021-11-03 at 07:15 +, Alan A Holmes wrote:
> > > Some while ago Adrien Monteleone went through all the steps necessary to
> > > upgrade from a very old V2.x of GnuCash to the last V2.y, then to V3.x and
> > > then to V4.x. I've just had a quick look at the archives but can't find
> > > it.
> > > Perhaps someone can find it more easily, or perhaps Adrien himself can
> > > point
> > > to it.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Alan A Holmes
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: gnucash-user <
> > > gnucash-user-bounces+gnucash=alanaholmes.me...@gnucash.org
> > > > On Behalf Of Mike Stillingfleet
> > > Sent: 02 November 2021 19:32
> > > To: David Carlson 
> > > Cc: Gnucash Users 
> > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Export Current Search
> > > 
> > > Ah OK. It would appear that I might be a little out of date. If I up date
> > > will
> > > my data be safe??
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 7:05 PM, David Carlson wrote:
> > > > You stumped the experts and the rest of us too.  Nobody remembers
> > > > whether
> > > > that option was available that long ago.   You would have a rather long
> > > > migration path to the current release of 4.8 or so, depending on whether
> > > > you
> > > > have data files and reports to update too.  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 1:44 PM Mike Stillingfleet <
> > > > mikestillingfl...@fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > __
> > > > > 2.6.16 windows 10.
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 6:39 PM, David Carlson wrote:
> > > > > > John asked "What version of
> > > > > > > GnuCash and what operating system/distro?"
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 1:24 PM Mike Stillingfleet <
> > > > > > mikestillingfl...@fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > Yes.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 6:18 PM, John Ralls wrote:
> > > > > > > > Is a register page displayed in the main window? What version
> > > > > > > > of 
> > > > > > > > GnuCash and what operating system/distro?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > John Ralls
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 2, 2021, at 11:06 AM, Mike Stillingfleet <
> > > > > > > > > mikestillingfl...@fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > OK well I am afraid that I do not see that on my GNUCASH.  
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 5:32 PM, John Ralls wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > No, the Help is literally correct: There is a menu item
> > > > > > > > > > "Export 
> > > > > > > > > > Current Register to CSV..." but *only* if a register tab has
> > > > > > > > > > focus.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > > John Ralls
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 2, 2021, at 10:25 AM, Mike Stillingfleet <
> > > > > > > > > > > mikestillingfl...@fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > OK so the option  export transactions is what the help is
> > > > > > > > > > > referring to? 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 3:48 PM, john wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > No, Help is correct. As David pointed out that item is
> > > > > > > > > > > > presented only if the current active tab is a register.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > John Ralls
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 2, 2021, at 1:28 AM, Mike Stillingfleet <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > mikestillingfl...@fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you Michael.  This works. So the help files for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > GNUcash which show the fourth option no longer apply.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 8:24 AM, Michael Hendry wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 Nov 2021, at 07:31, Mike Stillingfleet 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear GNUCash Forum,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Firstly I how that I have posted this correctly.
> > > > > > > > > >

Re: [GNC] Updating from v 2.6.16.

[davidcousens49]

Mike,

There are three major issues associated with upgrading:

Upgrading the data file format;
Relocation of user preference data/config data (changes of storage location and
methodology;
Preserving any saved reports/config changes;

The first two generally take place, if at all at the major version transitions
2->3->4.

Release numbers are major.minor.micro

The major component of the release number usually flags incompatible
architecture changes, changes to database schema and the API. Minor version
numberssignify stable releases if even and unstable releases if odd. These are
primarily bug fixes and minor feature releases. The micro numbers are sequential
for each release

GnuCash generally includes an inbuilt, run once only procedure to update the
data file format and usually to relocate any config and reports to the new
locations from the last minor release.

Since you ar on Windows, you won't need to build your files the programs. You
can find copies of all releases of GnuCash on SourceForge at this location 
https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20%28stable%29/.

Before starting it is a very good idea to make backup copies of your data
files,user data, config etc. File locations in GNuCash are discussed on the
wikipage https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Configuration_Locations but this is a
fairly complex document as it covers all operating systems and GC versions.

Your data files are located in your user directory where you have chosen to
locate them.

The migration of user preferences, saved reports and online Banking data is
discussed in the wiki at 
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-guide/basics-migrate-settings.html. 

After making backups the procedure is fairly simple. Install GC V3.11
(download gnucash-3.11.setup.exe from 
https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20%28stable%29/3.11/ and
run the .exe file to install it as usual on Windows. Open each of your data
files (if you have more than one data file) with the 3.11 version which will do
any necessary datafile modification and shifting of config data etc to new
locations and then save them. Check that all saved reports you use are listed in
the menu and can be used. If not you may need to copy them from the ~/.gnucash
directory specified in the migration wiki above. If everything is working then
you are ready to upgrade to V4. 

If not ask on the User forum for help before proceeding. You shouldn't have to
go back to 2.6 at all at this point, but if you did reinstall V2.6.16 you would
have to restore the data files and config, reports etc form your backups before
opening them.

To go to V4 if there are no problems the procedure is much the same. Make
backups of your data files and the config, reports etc files for V3 as discussed
in https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-guide/basics-migrate-settings.html.
You shouldn't need these but it never hurts to be careful.

The download the V4 version you wish to install (4.8) and install it. Open ALL
your data files (if more than one) and save them after GC has done any reuired
conversions and migrations). Again check you have all your previous
functionality and that your saved reports are available and functioning.

If all is ok you are good to go at the latest version. If not come back to the 
user forum for assistance.
David Cousens


On Thu, 2021-11-04 at 20:58 +, Mike Stillingfleet wrote:
> Good Evening All,
> 
> It would appear that my current version of 2.6.16 is a bit out of date.
> 
> I have been looking at a route to updating. 
> 
> I see that I can download a stable version 3.11 and 4.8.
> 
> My question is can I install all 3 versions at the same time so that I can
> migrate and check the integrity before moving forward whilst ensuring that I
> still have a viable system in 2.6.16.
> 
> If so how would I do the install.  I use Windows 10.
> 
> T.i.a

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Re: [GNC] QFX import: transaction matching NOT learning to match

[davidcousens49]

David

That should not be a problem at all. I used 3.7 and 3.8 before up grading to 4.8
and imported OFX files regularly without any problem and have recently been
importing them in 4.8 without any problems. Usually as long as the second
transfer account has been specified for all the transactions before the Import
button is pressed then the data for the import matching algorithm is stored
during the import process.  If that does not complete then the imbalance account
will normally only be applied if no transfer account was specified when it was
imported. If you don't complete the import process however the data isn't
recorded.

You can use the Tools->Import Map Editor to edit the stored data (Bayesian) and
look to see if an Imbalance account has actually been mapped at some stage but
AFAIK the matcher shouldn't store a mapping to an imbalance account in the
database. If you do find any data mapping to an Imbalance account in the "Mapped
to Account Name" column you can delete it in the editor by selecting the line
and pressing the "Delete" button at the bottom right of the window. Using the
Filter set to "Imbalance" should locate any such records. You can then multiply
select them and delete all of them.

David Cousens


On Thu, 2021-11-04 at 21:02 -0400, David Mintz wrote:
> Yes yes, I am talking about having to assign the accounts during the import
> process in the matching window. I understand that that is the point in the
> workflow where you have to do this. That's how I've been doing it -- over and
> over.
> 
> ---
> David Mintz
> https://davidmintz.org
> Capitalism has failed. https://wsws.org
> 
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021, at 8:24 PM, Jean Laroche wrote:
> > Make sure you do the assignment during the matching, in the matching 
> > window. Not after matching is all done in the registry (in which case GC 
> > does not learn anything).
> > 
> > Jean
> > 
> > On 11/4/21 5:13 PM, David Mintz wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > I am running Version: 3.8 Build ID: 3.8b+(2019-12-29) and when I import a
> > > QFX, nearly all the transactions are assigned to "Imbalanced" even though
> > > I have gone through multiple iterations of trying to teach GC to recognize
> > > transactions by assigning the accounts manually. I have seen earlier
> > > postings about this, but the most detailed discussions were serveral years
> > > ago, and the most recent says, in substance, "just keep trying". I
> > > hesitate to do that because I fear it's a fool's errand. How many times do
> > > I need to tell it "Stop & Shop" belongs to Expenses:groceries?
> > > 
> > > One strange detail:  I tend to neglect my financial record-keeping for
> > > months at a time, but as I recall, I was not having this problem a few
> > > months ago. It seems to be a case of *it used to work but now it doesn't.*
> > > 
> > > I've read that it may be that it thinks "Imbalanced" is the answer, and
> > > cannot unlearn. Is there a any way to wipe the slate clean, so to speak,
> > > and force GC to start over so?
> > > 
> > > I've also seen that people have written Perl scripts to run against their
> > > data files and yeah, I could try that -- but I'd much prefer to get
> > > GnuCash to work properly without having to intervene this way.
> > > 
> > > Any suggestions?
> > > 
> > > Gratefully,
> > > 
> > > David
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ---
> > > David Mintz
> > > https://davidmintz.org
> > > Capitalism has failed. https://wsws.org
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Re: [GNC] best way to upgrade on Ubuntu 20.04 [was Re: QFX import: transaction matching NOT learning to match]

[davidcousens49]

David,

Whether you choose to build from source or use a flatpack will depend on your 
experience and confidence with building software on Linux. The process is 
described fairly completely in the wiki https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Building, 
 https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Building_On_Linux and their breakout pages. 
If you just want to use the software, then the flatpak is an easy entry. The
flatpack is currently being maintained by the major developers so is currently
being updated with new releases. Permissions issues associated with the flatpack
use of system resources and different locations for config and stored reports
etc seem to have been the main issues. See https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Flatpak
 for more info. The major limitation is not having the Python bindings shipped
in the flatpak, which is only a limitation if you wish to use external python
programs to work on your data in GnuCash. The snadboxing provided by flatpack
might give some protection from affecting or being affected by other installed
software. I use a wide range of self built software and have never had any
serious issues as Linux seems to do that fairly effectively anyway.

My personal preference is to build from source. On Linux once you have all the
dependency header files installed it is usually straight forward. The wiki
instructions can be turned into a script  to install them fairly readily and a
number of people have posted scripts for this in the mailing list in the past.
Sometimes the library header names can differ slightly on various distros for a
few libraries. It allows me to stay with the most recent stable version for
production work and as I have in the past done a few minor code developments and
a little work on the documentation, building from source is a necessary part of
that.

David Cousens

On Fri, 2021-11-05 at 14:16 -0400, David Mintz wrote:
> Thanks  everyone. It looks like I should try upgrading to 4.8. I didn't
> realize that the official Ubuntu 20.04  repository provides 3.8, and that the
> ppa:sicklylife/gnucash repository is at 4.2. So one more question:  do you
> recommend the flatpack approach, or attempting to compile from source?
> 
> 
> ---
> David Mintz
> https://davidmintz.org
> Capitalism has failed. https://wsws.org
> 
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021, at 11:26 PM, davidcousen...@gmail.com wrote:
> > David
> > 
> > That should not be a problem at all. I used 3.7 and 3.8 before up grading to
> > 4.8
> > and imported OFX files regularly without any problem and have recently been
> > importing them in 4.8 without any problems. Usually as long as the second
> > transfer account has been specified for all the transactions before the
> > Import
> > button is pressed then the data for the import matching algorithm is stored
> > during the import process.  If that does not complete then the imbalance
> > account
> > will normally only be applied if no transfer account was specified when it
> > was
> > imported. If you don't complete the import process however the data isn't
> > recorded.
> > 
> > You can use the Tools->Import Map Editor to edit the stored data (Bayesian)
> > and
> > look to see if an Imbalance account has actually been mapped at some stage
> > but
> > AFAIK the matcher shouldn't store a mapping to an imbalance account in the
> > database. If you do find any data mapping to an Imbalance account in the
> > "Mapped
> > to Account Name" column you can delete it in the editor by selecting the
> > line
> > and pressing the "Delete" button at the bottom right of the window. Using
> > the
> > Filter set to "Imbalance" should locate any such records. You can then
> > multiply
> > select them and delete all of them.
> > 
> > David Cousens
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, 2021-11-04 at 21:02 -0400, David Mintz wrote:
> > > Yes yes, I am talking about having to assign the accounts during the
> > > import
> > > process in the matching window. I understand that that is the point in the
> > > workflow where you have to do this. That's how I've been doing it -- over
> > > and
> > > over.
> > > 
> > > ---
> > > David Mintz
> > > https://davidmintz.org
> > > Capitalism has failed. https://wsws.org
> > > 
> > > On Thu, Nov 4, 2021, at 8:24 PM, Jean Laroche wrote:
> > > > Make sure you do the assignment during the matching, in the matching 
> > > > window. Not after matching is all done in the registry (in which case
> > > > GC 
> > > > does not learn anything).
> > > > 
> > > > Jean
> > > > 
> > > > On 11/4/21 5:13 PM, David Mintz wrote:
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I am running Version: 3.8 Build ID: 3.8b+(2019-12-29) and when I
> > > > > import a
> > > > > QFX, nearly all the transactions are assigned to "Imbalanced" even
> > > > > though
> > > > > I have gone through multiple iterations of trying to teach GC to
> > > > > recognize
> > > > > transactions by assigning the accounts manually. I have seen earlier
> > > > > postings about this, but the most detailed discussions were serveral
> > > > > years
> > >

Re: [GNC] My MacOS Finance::Quote Successful Tweaks

[davidcousens49]

Ken,

Sure all those things are good to have but it is also important to record your
problem and the solution you found if it is a general problem. Someone can come
along and tidy it up and put it into context later and add technical details  if
necessary but the chances are they won't unless there is something there to work
with unless they themselves have experienced the problem.

The wiki is not indelible. ANy additions you make will be vetted and likely
edited a bit so don't worry too much- give it a go.

David Cousens

On Mon, 2021-11-08 at 12:57 -0500, Ken Farley wrote:
> I would think that someone updating such a thing would need to:
> (a) Have the proper credentials. I assume this but know nothing about
> Wiki editing.
> (b) Have conducted the proper tests to verify that the instructions
> are correct and will not cause harm to someone's system.
> (c) Have a much more detailed understanding of the oddities of Perl
> than my rudimentary knowledge. I *think* I understand what is going
> on, but am not entirely sure. We're talking about a good deal of
> upward facing palms and shrugging motions when it comes to Perl, for
> me.
> 
> I'll look into it, however, to satisfy my curiosity.
> 
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 4:42 AM Frank H. Ellenberger
>  wrote:
> > Hi Ken,
> > 
> > Am 07.11.21 um 16:21 schrieb Ken Farley:
> > > Hope it works out for you. I noticed there are sporadic questions
> > > about this kind of thing and thought it might be nice to have a place
> > > where all the stuff that worked for someone (me, in this case) is
> > > spelled out in a straightforward fashion, rather than spread over a
> > > whole heap of messages.
> > 
> > isn't https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Online_Quotes the right place? Ir's
> > awaiting your updates. ;-)
> > 
> > Regards
> > Frank
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Re: [GNC] changing accounts?

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> 
> Any chance of a multi-select / group move in GnuCash?
> 
I remember looking briefly at this possibility about the time I put the multiple
selection feature in he import matching window.  If I remember correctly, the
account register is not a simple GTK TreeView structure which was what made the
multiple selection for the transfer account assignment in the Import Matcher
window reasonably simple.

David Cousens

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Re: [GNC] Importing an OFX file

[davidcousens49]

Gyle,

 If anything other than the A column is checked GnuCash is not going to import
the transaction. The U+C column checked indicates that it has been matched to an
existing transaction and thta existing transaction will be updated with
information from the transaction in the OFX file. If the R or C column (depends
on version) is checked then no information will be imported at all anf the
record in the OFX file will be ignored.

David Cousens 


On Fri, 2021-11-12 at 21:16 +, Gyle McCollam wrote:
> When I import an OFX file it lists the transactions in red buut when I check
> the U/C box it shows the matching transaction in GNUCash.  However, it puts
> this message in the notes field:
> 
> OFX ext. info: |Trans type:Generic debit|Standard Industrial Code:5310|This
> corrects transaction
> #3181$7991272238417141532$20210929$$13.80$4946063624but GnuCash didn't
> process the correction!
> 
> What is this trying to tell me and how can I get it to recognize that the
> transaction is OK?
> 
> 
> Thank You,
> Gyle McCollam
> 
> Gyle McCollam
> 
> 609.680.2326 Mobile
> 
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Re: [GNC] import csv transactions

[davidcousens49]

Chris,

The account to import the records to will be the account in GnuCash which
records the transactions for your business bank account. If you have the
register for that account open when you initiate the import process it will be
used as the default account to import to unless that is explicitly specified in
the import records. Each transaction has at least one entry for that account and
entries to 1 or more other accounts usually in you Expense and Income type
accounts and their sub accounts ( unless a capital purchase - where it will be
an asset account). 

The Import Matching process constructs a map to the expense and income accounts
structure based on the information in the transactions and the associations you
make manually during your initial imports. You can add new accounts to the
income and expense account structure during the import process if a suitable
account does not already exist in your chart of accounts.

If the record you are importing has the format you show i.e. is multiline and
blank separated you can select a blank as the field separator but you will need
to ensure all fields for a transaction are either on a single line or are in the
multiline format GnuCash uses for importing transactions with more than two
splits.  This is illustrated in the Importing Transactions sectionof the
documentation 
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-help/trans-import.html#:~:text=Navigate%20to%20the%20file%20you,name%20in%20the%20import%20file
. 

The date and description fields will best map onto those column headers. The
Amount field will most likely be associated with the Deposit header ( you may
have to experiment with this and perhaps assign it to the Withdrawal header if
the Deposit header does not work - it depends on whatever conventions are used
by your bank) in the import dialogue and the Counter Party field could be used
as an indicator for the Transfer Account field. The import process will ask you
to assign identifiers in this field to specific internal GNuCash expense/income
accoounts the first time they are encountered in an import record to construct
the mapping that will be used for subsequent imports. 

It is essential to complete the import process (click on the Import button) to
store the data from the mapping and transfer account assignments matching for
subsequent imports. 

I would suggest initially truncating a file to a small number of records to
familiarize yourself with the procedure. (saves having to delete a large number
of records if you get it wrong initially and GNuCash has no process for deleting
multiple transactions for an account register.

David Cousens
On Sat, 2021-11-13 at 19:04 +, Chris Matchett wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am experimenting with gnucash. I am trying to import a csv file of my
> business bank statement. Starling bank in the UK.
> 
> I assume the date and description fields are good below for the mandatory
> requirements? I am not sure how to match deposit and/or withdrawal and
> which account to use?
> 
> *(Date)* Date - 21/01/2020
> Counter Party - Citybus Ticket Kiosk
> *(Description)* Reference - CITYBUS TICKET KIOSK
> Type - CONTACTLESS
> Amount (GBP) - -15.5
> Balance (GBP) - 480.1
> Spending Category - TRANSPORT
> Notes -
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Chris
> 

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Re: [GNC] Reimbursements

[davidcousens49]

Your problem is in assigning the whole $100 to your expense account. Also
recording the amount reimbursable by the second organization as income is not
optimum. You are not adding value (which would be income) simply being
reimbursed for your outlay on behalf of the other organisation. You might like
to try something like the following:

Initial Purchase:
Dr   Cr
Asset: Bank 100
Expense: Widgets50
Asset: Reimbursable 50

Issue of Invoice to other organisation:
Dr   Cr
Asset: Accounts Receivable  50
Asset: Reimbursable  50

Receipt of Paymentfrom other organisation:
Dr   Cr
Asset:Bank  50
Asset: Accounts Receivable   50

David Cousens

On Wed, 2021-11-17 at 22:06 -0500, GnuCash Charity User wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I took a quick search of the archives, but haven't found a clear answer to
> the situation I'm encountering. I apologize in advance if this question has
> been asked before.
> 
> I have an organization in which we split costs for certain expenses. I have
> setup the other organizations which reimburse us as "Customers" - it's very
> useful to report on amounts receivable, payment history etc. as we split
> with multiple organizations.
> 
> However, historically it seems I've setup our accounts wrong, which is
> causing issues in reporting. For example, if we pay $100 in widgets and we
> agree to split with another organization, I mark the transaction as $100 on
> a widgets expense account, bank asset goes down $100. I setup a widgets
> reimbursement income account, and issue an invoice for let's say $50 to
> another organization. When I receive payment, I increase our bank account
> asset by $50, and record it against the this reimbursement income account.
> However, the expense account is unadjusted (as customer invoices only work
> against income accounts). Thus, when I run a report, it says I spent $100
> in widgets, when in reality I need it to report $50.
> 
> I know I could record everything manually with an accounts payable account,
> but really value using the Customers feature to run reports and keep track
> of accounts receivable. I also need some visibility on the total amount
> paid, not just my organization's share (due to government payroll
> reporting).
> 
> Thanks!
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Re: [GNC] Problem with PayPal statements?

[davidcousens49]

Jean,

I am not sure whether your Paypal statement is exactly the same as mine but my
statement has three columns with an amount in them labelled  "Gross", 'Fee",
"Net". I assign either the Deposit or Withdrawal header to the "Gross" column
when I import  the CSV. I can't remember which I use but I usually cut one or
two transactions into a separate file and import into a test file them to sort
it out ( I am not interested in accounting for the fees separately as I regard
them as part of the purchse). There is usually no need to assign both the
Deposit header and the Withdrawal header to separate columns in the importas the
sense is determined by the sign in the "Gross" or "Net" column so it is normal
to assign only one of the two headers to a single column. The only time you need
to assign both headers is when the deposits and Withdrawals are listed in
separate columns.

David

On Sat, 2021-11-20 at 16:14 +0100, Jean D. Boyle via gnucash-user wrote:
> Hello Fellow users of GNUCash and Frank,
> 
> I have an update on this 'problem with PayPal statements'. It seems that 
> I have had two columns set as /Deposit/, so that GNUCash added two 
> values per row*, which resulted in a doubled amount for each transaction.
> 
> Sorry for any inconvenience. By failing, I am learning to walk...
> 
> 
> *Is this a correct behaviour, that GNUCash adds two deposit columns?
> 
> 86ul
> 
> 
> 
> *From:* Jean D. Boyle [mailto:8...@vivaldi.net]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 9, 2021, 9:20 AM
> *To:* gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> *Subject:* [GNC] Problem with PayPal statements?
> 
> > Hello Fellow users of GNUCash and Frank,
> > 
> > Thanks for your reply.
> > 
> >   * I used to use GNUCash that was in the repo of Mint, after using
> > the PPA of Sickylife. With that I got as far as GNUCash 4.2. To be
> > more up to date I use flatpack now.
> >   * The statements of PayPal are downloaded by myself, as I do not use
> > AQbanking.
> >   * Oh, neither a restart of GNUCash did do the trick, nor a full
> > reboot of my computer.
> > 
> > Feel free to ask for more.
> > 
> > 86ul
> > 
> > 
> > *From:* Frank H. Ellenberger [mailto:frank.h.ellenber...@gmail.com]
> > *Sent:* Sunday, November 7, 2021, 9:01 PM
> > *To:* Jean D. Boyle; gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> > *Subject:* [GNC] Problem with PayPal statements?
> > 
> > > Hi Jean,
> > > 
> > > to understnad where to search I have aa few questions:
> > > 
> > > Am 07.11.21 um 16:36 schrieb Jean D. Boyle via gnucash-user:
> > > > Hello fellow users of GNUCash,
> > > > 
> > > > Currently I am running GNUCash 4.8 with Flatpak on M20.2, and I have
> > > > some troubles with GNUCash that i had not before:
> > > and before you have been using an older Flatpak or a pristine GnuCash?
> > > 
> > > > When importing my statements from PayPal (*.csv), GNUCash starts to
> > > > behave a bit strange.
> > > Are you downloding the files manually and use then the CSV-Import or
> > > have you setup Aqbanking to manage it for you?
> > > 
> > > > Although everything is correct in the /import
> > > > preview/ -including the amount of deposit/withdrawal-, all amounts are
> > > > doubled in the /Match Transaction; the rest is correct/.
> > > > When opening this *.csv-file from PayPal, everything is correct,
> > > > including all of the amounts; none are doubled. Therefore I think
> > > > GNUCash seems to double the amounts.
> > > > 
> > > > Is this just on my M20.2, or do I something weird, or is it a bug? If
> > > > the latter, I will fill in a proper bug report.
> > > Regards
> > > Frank
> 
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash 4.8: doesn't read or store config

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Brian 
What operating Sytem are you using and how are you installing it (flatpack msi ,
build from source etc)?

David Cousens


On Mon, 2021-11-22 at 22:52 +0800, BrianHsu wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've encountered the issue that after install GnuCash 4.8, it won't
> read or store my preferences, as described at:
> 
> https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798330
> 
> But there is a little different, since I just do a fresh OS install,
> I'm sure I don't have any other GnuCash version or XDG_DATA_DIRS
> issue.
> 
> And I also noticed some strange things, IIRC, after a fresh GnuCash is
> installed and launched for first time, it should have the following
> behavior:
> 
> 1. Display a splash screen
> 2. Show a dialog that contains tips
> 3. When create a new file, it should have a account setting wizard popped up.
> 
> None of above happens when I launch my fresh installed GnuCash 4.8,
> which is really strange.
> 
> Also, it appears even if I manually ticked those checkbox in
> Preference dialog, it just won't save and will not display splash /
> tips dialog anyway.
> 
> Here is my screen recording to demonstrate this problem:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZtVVvxxsME
> 
> I've also checked settings mentioned at the bug ticket, but with no
> luck. Everything seems correct on my system, but it just won't save my
> preference.
> 
> I've attached a detail reproduce / investigation steps on the ticket,
> hope someone might figure out what happened and help me resolved this
> issue.
> 

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Re: [GNC] Data load from CSV files - duplicates

[davidcousens49]

Leo,

You can always manually override GnuCash's matching in the Import Matcher window
by checking the "C" ("R" in older GnuCash versions) column if Gnucash has
selected the "A" column to import the transaction and you do know it matches a
transaction you have imported to another account. This will avoid having to
delete the duplicate transactions. I usually import my bank account data first
so when I import the credit card data I know any credit card payments should
already have been entered from my bank statement.

David Cousens

On Tue, 2021-11-23 at 01:46 +, Leo Vaccaneo wrote:
> Thanks to David T and David Carlson -
> 
> to David T (and David Carlson) -
> yes - I believe you have hit what I am looking for - so, trying to say it
> again in a hopefully helpful way -
> 
> being able to assign / match (the term in the CSV importer process) the second
> split of the transaction being loaded -
> 
> to an existing transaction in the 'destination' 'other side / end of the
> transaction' account -
> 
> instead of creating a replica of the trans being loaded - as the second split
> -in the 'destination' 'other side / end of the transaction' account
> ---
> 
> to David Carlson -
> 
> I will work my way through each of your suggestions, and give an update -
> 
> The GNU installer was downloaded yesterday.
> 
> The rest - I will need to work through.
> 
> Sounds like it will be well worth my while to try the QIF import if I can get
> that format export from my bank (have to check).
> 
> Thanks again to all
> 
> Leo Vaccaneo
> 
> 
> 
> From: D. 
> Sent: Monday, 22 November 2021 9:47 PM
> To: David Carlson 
> Cc: Leo Vaccaneo ; Gnucash Users <
> gnucash-user@gnucash.org>
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Data load from CSV files - duplicates
> 
> ...Fifth, I think Leo is using the term "match" to refer to the process of
> *assigning* the second split to an account. ISTR that there is a step in the
> process where the user can actually match imported transactions to existing
> ones, along with the option to use the existing description or replace it,
> which would eliminate that occurrence of a second transaction. Or perhaps I'm
> just getting senile.
> 
> David T.
> 
> From: David Carlson
> Sent: Mon Nov 22 05:21:16 EST 2021
> To: Leo Vaccaneo
> Cc: "gnucash-user@gnucash.org"
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Data load from CSV files - duplicates
> 
> 
> There are a number of things that may be impacting your results.
> 
> First, check Edit > Preferences > Online Banking to be sure that options
> under Generic Importer are still checked and the values listed are
> reasonable.
> 
> Second, the entire chapter 16 of the Help manual has details that come into
> play.  Reread <
> https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-help/trans-import.html#trans-import-matcher
> 
> 
> Third, there have been some issues with some parts of the CSV and Generic
> importers that have been discussed here in the last several weeks.  The
> exact release of your GnuCAsh program could make a difference.  Please tell
> us which version and which OS you are using.
> 
> Fourth,  while the OFX/QFX and QIF importers have some issues as well, they
> have the advantage of being more mature and their limitations are better
> understood by users.  If your bank offers either of these types of exports,
> try them.  The QIF seems to work well for initial imports, taken in fairly
> small chunks, say a month's data at a time.
> 
> When you have distilled your results to more specific issues, users here
> can give better advice to address your problems.
> 
> On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 3:20 AM Leo Vaccaneo  wrote:
> 
>  Greetings from Cairns Qld Australia,
> 
>  I have my new accounts hierarchy data saved in a new file in the SQLite
>  format.
> 
>  I have read the concepts guide & help docs.
> 
>  I have searched with our favourite search engine around the issue of
>  imports from CSV etc files, and matching, and how to sort out duplicates
> 
>  I am somewhat aghast at the outcomes mentioned - deleting duplicates
>  and/or doing reversals.
> 
>  I am therefore going to be more verbose than the mail list items
>  questioners I found, to set out my frustration.
>  ---
> 
>  I created a new file to do this test. I completely deleted all
>  transactions from a previous file, the account balances all read zero, and
>  saved this as my new test file.
> 
>  In my accounts, I have an assets, savings acct.   I have a csv file of
>  savings account transactions export from my bank.
> 
>  In my accounts, I have a liabilities, credit card acct.   I have a csv
>  file of credit card transactions export from my bank.
> 
>  These are my first 2 imports.
> 
>  I imported the credit card transactions first, from CSV.
> 
>  In the matching stage, for payments into the credit card from the savings,
>  GnuCash did not offer any matches
>  I set the match to be the savings account.
>  Loaded, no errors, -
> 
>  And it created transactions i