Re: [GNC] Confusing language of money direction in headers of Scheduled Transaction Editor Template Transaction

[Brad Morrison]

Hi Chandler/GnuCash users, 

https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian - you mentioned
using GnuCash 5.8 on Debian, but which version of Debian are you using? 

https://flathub.org/apps/org.gnucash.GnuCash - if you would prefer to
use the most current version of GnuCash (5.10), using the Flatpak is
another option. 

https://flatpak.org/setup/Debian - if you are interested in using
Flatpak on Debian. 

---
Thanks, 

Brad - https://www.facebook.com/brad.morrison.12327/ &
https://norcal.social/@BradMorrison 

On 2024-12-16 21:35, Chandler Sobel-Sorenson via gnucash-user wrote:

> Guys, this is funny because literally no one speaks like this.  I've
> also been using GnuCash for years and never been confused like this
> before.  
> 
> Stan Brown (using GC 4.14) wrote on 12/16/24 4:25 PM: 
> 
>> Assets and Expenses: Debit increases, credit decreases
>> Liabilities, Equity, and Income: Credit increases, debit decreases.
> 
> This part is interesting.  If this is how CPA's describe it, so be
> it.  For us common folk we mostly only talk about Assets and
> Liabilities, and we talk about them backwards I guess!
> 
> A credit to my bank account (asset) is money in, increasing the value.
> 
> A debit decreases the value.  Everyone knows that their "Debit" card
> takes "Funds Out" of their bank account and gives it to the grocery
> store or whoever we're paying.
> 
> A credit to a liability like my credit card is money that's given
> back to us, it decreases the total liability or amount owed.  It's
> "Funds In" to our account, regardless if it's a bank account (asset) or
> a credit account (liability)!
> 
> Derek Atkins wrote on 12/16/24 1:57 PM: 
> 
>> I recommend you read the GnuCash documentation which goes into great
>> detail about this.
> 
> I think I'll just remember that it's backwards instead!
> 
> Thank you all for the insights!
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Re: [GNC] Confusing language of money direction in headers of Scheduled Transaction Editor Template Transaction

[Fred Bone]

On 16 December 2024 at 22:35, Chandler Sobel-Sorenson said:

> Guys, this is funny because literally no one speaks like this.  I've also
> been using GnuCash for years and never been confused like this before.  
> 
> Stan Brown (using GC 4.14) wrote on 12/16/24 4:25 PM:
> > Assets and Expenses: Debit increases, credit decreases
> > Liabilities, Equity, and Income: Credit increases, debit decreases.
> 
>     This part is interesting.  If this is how CPA's describe it, so be
> it.  For us common folk we mostly only talk about Assets and Liabilities,
> and we talk about them backwards I guess!
> 
>     A credit to my bank account (asset) is money in, increasing the
> value.

Of course it isn't.

If you pay money into your bank account, the bank OWES you that money. 
It's a DEBIT.

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Re: [GNC] GnuCash Won't Start Widnows

[Jonathan A. Cohen]

I captured the following from Windows event manager:

Faulting application name: gnucash.exe, version: 5.9.0.0, time stamp:
0x66f9947e
Faulting module name: libgnc-engine.dll, version: 0.0.0.0, time stamp:
0x66f9919f
Exception code: 0xc005
Fault offset: 0x000be263
Faulting process id: 0x0x9964
Faulting application start time: 0x0x1DB5010DDA488C8
Faulting application path: C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin\gnucash.exe
Faulting module path: C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin\libgnc-engine.dll
Report Id: 3044f93f-b0fe-42c2-9705-e6a0405e0cdb
Faulting package full name:
Faulting package-relative application ID:




Jonathan A. Cohen
26 Patriots Drive
Canton, MA 02021
781-929-8204
jco...@urgrad.rochester.edu

http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanaaroncohen



On Sat, Dec 14, 2024 at 7:14 PM Jonathan A. Cohen <
jco...@urgrad.rochester.edu> wrote:

> Thank you, David. I'm not having any resources issues.
>
> __
> Jonathan Cohen
> +1-781-929-8204
>
> On Sat, Dec 14, 2024, 6:14 PM David Carlson 
> wrote:
>
>> Jonathan,
>>
>> One of the possible causes of such behavior is inadequate resources.  Are
>> you having issues with other programs, particularly web browsers?
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 14, 2024 at 3:21 PM Jonathan A. Cohen <
>> jco...@urgrad.rochester.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Upgraded to 5.9 last week.  After a few days a behavior started: the view
>>> would suddenly no longer show the transactions in any account.  Save and
>>> restart worked.  As the days went on, this behavior happened faster after
>>> opening.
>>>
>>> Today, opened GnuCash and got the warning that the file is locked.  Open
>>> anyways and the opening proceeded.  But once the program start progress
>>> bar
>>> completed, it disappeared.  The file is locked again.  Opening wayway
>>> does
>>> not work.  The program will not open now at all.
>>>
>>> I tried backing out to 5.8 but it still won't open.  Upgrade back to 5.9
>>> same behavior.
>>>
>>> Windows 11.
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> Jonathan A. Cohen
>>> jco...@urgrad.rochester.edu
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[GNC] Wash sale recording

[R Losey]

So, early this year, I (unwittingly) did a wash sale. I have heard of wash
sales before, but I had made an invalid assumption.

In case anyone else doesn't know, in the US, if you sell a stock for a
loss, and repurchase it within 30 days, you are not allowed to claim the
capital loss. This is called a "wash sale".

I am trying to work out how I properly record this in GnuCash. I have
worked out something (based upon what an accountant said), but I wanted to
run it by this group as a check.

Anyway, I sold all my shares (100) in stock X for a loss of Y and the
following week purchased 50 shares.

So, I have recorded this as two multi-split transactions.

In the stock X account, split #1
DEBIT: sale price to the sweep fund
DEBIT: long term capital gain with Y (I supposed technically, it's a
"negative credit" because it's a loss, but this works)
CREDIT: selling 100 shares of stock X at the sale price
CREDIT: cost basis of stock X (again, technically, a negative debit, but
this works)

One week later, in the stock X account, split #2:
DEBIT: purchase 50 shares of stock X for the cost
DEBIT: cost basis of wash sale (Y)
CREDIT: long term capital gain with Y (to zero out the loss that I cannot
claim, and to add it to the cost basis of stock X)
CREDIT: sweep fund for cost of purchase


Does this seem the correct way to go about this? (it definitely leaves a
zero LT capital gain for stock X, which is what I needed to have happen).

Thank you!

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rlo...@gmail.com
Micah 6:8
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Re: [GNC] Wash sale recording

[Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)]

On 2024-12-17 10:43, R Losey wrote:
> So, early this year, I (unwittingly) did a wash sale. I have heard of wash
> sales before, but I had made an invalid assumption.

You have my sympathy. The wash-sale rules are annoyingly complex, and
IMHO the tax money the Treasury gets doesn't justify the record-keeping
complexity for people who are not in the business of buying and selling.
(People who are in that business aren't subject to the wash sale rule.)

And if you have automatic reinvestment of dividends, that creates a wash
sale if you sell any shares within 30 days before or after receiving the
dividend.

> In case anyone else doesn't know, in the US, if you sell a stock for a
> loss, and repurchase it within 30 days, you are not allowed to claim the
> capital loss. This is called a "wash sale".

Two notes:
(1) It's a wash sale if buying and selling take place within 30 days of
each other, regardless of which comes first.
(2) If you buy less than you sold, you can still claim a capital loss on
the shares sold that exceed the shares bought. Below you say you sold
100 shares and bought 50; thus you can still claim capital loss on the
100-50 = 50 shares that you didn't repurchase.
(2a) As you noted in your transaction template, you can't claim the
capital loss on a wash sale, but you can add the nonallowed capital loss
to your basis in the shares purchased.

Reference: Publication 550, starting at page 56

(I'm not a tax expert, but I've participated in discussions on
misc.taxes.moderated so I'm pretty sure I've got this straight.)

> I am trying to work out how I properly record this in GnuCash. I have
> worked out something (based upon what an accountant said), but I wanted to
> run it by this group as a check.
> 
> Anyway, I sold all my shares (100) in stock X for a loss of Y and the
> following week purchased 50 shares.
> 
> So, I have recorded this as two multi-split transactions.
> 
> In the stock X account, split #1
> DEBIT: sale price to the sweep fund
> DEBIT: long term capital gain with Y (I supposed technically, it's a
> "negative credit" because it's a loss, but this works)
> CREDIT: selling 100 shares of stock X at the sale price
> CREDIT: cost basis of stock X (again, technically, a negative debit, but
> this works)
> 
> One week later, in the stock X account, split #2:
> DEBIT: purchase 50 shares of stock X for the cost
> DEBIT: cost basis of wash sale (Y)
> CREDIT: long term capital gain with Y (to zero out the loss that I cannot
> claim, and to add it to the cost basis of stock X)
> CREDIT: sweep fund for cost of purchase
> 
> Does this seem the correct way to go about this? (it definitely leaves a
> zero LT capital gain for stock X, which is what I needed to have happen).

I'm not sure you do. Only 50 shares of the sale are wash sale; the other
50 are an ordinary capital loss, either short- or long-term depending on
how long you held them. (See "More or less stock bought than sold" near
the end of page 56 of Pub 550.) From these two transactions I think you
should end up with a negative in your Capital gain/loss account in GC.

P.S. If you incur commissions and fees, remember that these affect your
basis also.

Stan Brown
Tehachapi, CA, USA
https://BrownMath.com

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Re: [GNC] ANNOUNCE: GnuCash 5.10 Released

[Ken Pyzik]

FYI --- Installed Version 5.10 on Sunday evening.  Have been running with no 
issues.  Running with Windows 11 Pro.

Have noticed a very curious thing, however.  Revo Uninstaller and Windows 
Control Panel is reporting it as version 5.9 even though the startup screen in 
GNU Cash shows 5.10.

Not sure why it is still registering as 5.9.  I uninstalled it and re-installed 
and splash screen says 5.10 but still registering as 5.9.

This is something very minor I suppose since functionality does not appear to 
be affected.

Downloaded latest version from SorceForge.

Ken


From: gnucash-user  on 
behalf of John Ralls 
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2024 2:25 PM
To: gnucash-annou...@lists.gnucash.org 
Cc: gnucash-devel ; Gnucash Users 

Subject: [GNC] ANNOUNCE: GnuCash 5.10 Released

The GnuCash development team announces GnuCash 5.10, the eighth release in the 
stable 5.x series.
Between 5.9 and 5.10, the following bugfixes were accomplished:
Bug 798789 - Trading Accounts
Bug 799283 - Segfault/Crash if payment dialog change from customer to vendor
Bug 799420 - gnucash 5.8 crashes on windows 10 while importing qif
Bug 799423 - Crash when creating ETF transaction
Bug 799429 - Crash when changing accounting period end date
Bug 799430 - Type-Ahead feature lost account setting functionality
Bug 799433 - Right-click issue in import window

Make the context menu apply to the row under the pointer instead of the 
selected row.
Bug 799435 - Right-click issue in reconcile window

Right click should open the context menu, not extend the selection.
Bug 799437 - Crash deleting and recreating an SX with the scheduled 
transaction editor open
Bug 799439 - Duplicate information in description when importing 
CAMT.053.001.02 via aqbanking
Bug 799443 - Edit find account jump then open, open the last highlighted 
account not the jumped to account
Bug 799444 - Silent crash on CSV import
Bug 799451 - Cannot translate different meanings of string "_Balance" to 
Chinese.

Add context to the msgids.
Bug 799452 - Transaction Report: Cannot subtotal based on Number field

enable grouping and subtotals for Num field
Bug 799454 - Numeric value in exported CSV transactions
Bug 799456 - Tabbing through fields autoselects all but Num field

By which the reporter means that the value in every cell except Num is 
selected on cell entry.
Bug 799458 - Crash attempting to edit a scheduled transaction
Bug 799470 - Crash when clicking on Schedule Transaction Editor

The following fixes and improvements were not associated with bug reports:

Tabs now close when you middle-click on them.
The SX editor's saved duration and height are stored differently in 
preferences so values previously saved will be lost when switching between 
versions 5.9 and 5.10 (and later). We regret the inconvenience but the new 
scheme better matches GnuCash's use of the preferences.
Allow 0 cash amount when using the Stock Assistant to create a sell 
transaction. This might happen if the commission and fees exactly balance the 
proceeds of the sale.
Enforce searching for our gsettings schema files first where they were 
installed. This was not done when the installation prefix was /usr or 
/usr/local which could potentially cause gnucash to find other schema files 
first.
Set tooltip text on the outer tab container again so that it can be updated 
by main_window_update_page_long_name.
Tooltips on chart reports now appear any time the pointer hovers in the 
chart area and reflect the nearest point. Previously the pointer had to be very 
close to a point.
Updated the quote source lists in the Security Editor dialog to reflect the 
current Finance::Quote version.
Display a warning dialog when a transaction is unbalanceable because the 
user has set a minimum fraction on an account smaller than the security's 
fraction in a book using trading accounts.
Deleting a commodity will fail if there are accounts denominated in the 
commodity. When reporting the error to the user list those accounts.
Correct in Tips of the Day the IRC network where GnuCash's channel can be 
found.
Ensure Python bindings Session constructor loads the session's data.
Fix compile failures with Boost 1.87. This requires the minimum Boost 
version to be 1.67, removing the option for distributions to patch older 
versions.
Prevent deleting an account with an open register from logging spurious 
errors
Check that GUI refreshes are not suspended before calling 
gnc_gui_refresh_all.
Unify wording for alphavazntage tooltips.
New script to update translator-credits.

See POD for usage instructions.
Document cmake 3.14 requirement set a year ago.

New and Updated Translations: Chinese (Simplified Han script), Chinese 
(Traditional Han script), Croatian, Dutch, English (Australia), English (New 
Zealand), English (United King

Re: [GNC] Confusing language of money direction in headers of Scheduled Transaction Editor Template Transaction

[R Losey]

On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 2:10 PM Liz  wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 12:22:03 -0600
> R Losey  wrote:
>
> > They do in accounting circles.
> >
> > But I also remember getting confused in the scheduled transactions
> > editor. I have to double-check them when they go off (at least the
> > first time) to ensure that I have the debits & credits entered
> > properly.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 11:36 PM Chandler Sobel-Sorenson via
> > gnucash-user < gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Guys, this is funny because literally no one speaks like this.  I've
> > > also been using GnuCash for years and never been confused like this
> > > before.
> > >
> > --
>
> Here I agree, the language used in the scheduled transactions editor is
> confusing to some (me included).
> So I recommend making all new scheduled transactions by making a
> transaction in a register and then scheduling that transaction.
>
> Someone who is affected by the use of "funds in" and "funds out", like
> Chandler, could file a Request For Enhancement (RFE) on the bugtracker,
> to put some alternate terms.
>
> Before Derek gets a chance, "patches are welcome".
>
> Liz
>

Yes, I tend to create scheduled transactions from existing transactions.


>
> --
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Richard Losey
rlo...@gmail.com
Micah 6:8
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Re: [GNC] Wash sale recording

[R Losey]

Thanks. In reality, I used easy numbers and I should have changed it to
selling 50 and buying 100 instead of the other way around.

Did I correctly change the cost basis by what I did? Or is there some other
way?

Thanks



On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 2:40 PM Stan Brown (using GC 4.14) <
stan...@fastmail.fm> wrote:

> On 2024-12-17 10:43, R Losey wrote:
> > So, early this year, I (unwittingly) did a wash sale. I have heard of
> wash
> > sales before, but I had made an invalid assumption.
>
> You have my sympathy. The wash-sale rules are annoyingly complex, and
> IMHO the tax money the Treasury gets doesn't justify the record-keeping
> complexity for people who are not in the business of buying and selling.
> (People who are in that business aren't subject to the wash sale rule.)
>
> And if you have automatic reinvestment of dividends, that creates a wash
> sale if you sell any shares within 30 days before or after receiving the
> dividend.
>
> > In case anyone else doesn't know, in the US, if you sell a stock for a
> > loss, and repurchase it within 30 days, you are not allowed to claim the
> > capital loss. This is called a "wash sale".
>
> Two notes:
> (1) It's a wash sale if buying and selling take place within 30 days of
> each other, regardless of which comes first.
> (2) If you buy less than you sold, you can still claim a capital loss on
> the shares sold that exceed the shares bought. Below you say you sold
> 100 shares and bought 50; thus you can still claim capital loss on the
> 100-50 = 50 shares that you didn't repurchase.
> (2a) As you noted in your transaction template, you can't claim the
> capital loss on a wash sale, but you can add the nonallowed capital loss
> to your basis in the shares purchased.
>
> Reference: Publication 550, starting at page 56
> 
> (I'm not a tax expert, but I've participated in discussions on
> misc.taxes.moderated so I'm pretty sure I've got this straight.)
>
> > I am trying to work out how I properly record this in GnuCash. I have
> > worked out something (based upon what an accountant said), but I wanted
> to
> > run it by this group as a check.
> >
> > Anyway, I sold all my shares (100) in stock X for a loss of Y and the
> > following week purchased 50 shares.
> >
> > So, I have recorded this as two multi-split transactions.
> >
> > In the stock X account, split #1
> > DEBIT: sale price to the sweep fund
> > DEBIT: long term capital gain with Y (I supposed technically, it's a
> > "negative credit" because it's a loss, but this works)
> > CREDIT: selling 100 shares of stock X at the sale price
> > CREDIT: cost basis of stock X (again, technically, a negative debit, but
> > this works)
> >
> > One week later, in the stock X account, split #2:
> > DEBIT: purchase 50 shares of stock X for the cost
> > DEBIT: cost basis of wash sale (Y)
> > CREDIT: long term capital gain with Y (to zero out the loss that I cannot
> > claim, and to add it to the cost basis of stock X)
> > CREDIT: sweep fund for cost of purchase
> >
> > Does this seem the correct way to go about this? (it definitely leaves a
> > zero LT capital gain for stock X, which is what I needed to have happen).
>
> I'm not sure you do. Only 50 shares of the sale are wash sale; the other
> 50 are an ordinary capital loss, either short- or long-term depending on
> how long you held them. (See "More or less stock bought than sold" near
> the end of page 56 of Pub 550.) From these two transactions I think you
> should end up with a negative in your Capital gain/loss account in GC.
>
> P.S. If you incur commissions and fees, remember that these affect your
> basis also.
>
> Stan Brown
> Tehachapi, CA, USA
> https://BrownMath.com
>
>

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rlo...@gmail.com
Micah 6:8
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Re: [GNC] ANNOUNCE: GnuCash 5.10 Released

[John Ralls]

I’d made an error when I wrote bit in the bundler script that derives the 
version to pass to the setup-generator: It gets the release instal directories, 
sorts them, and grabs the last one. The problem with that is that it’s a 
lexical sort so if say 5.8, 5.9. and 5.10 directories exist then the sort order 
is
Gnucash-5.10
Gnucash-5.8
Gnucash-5.9
And the last one is 5.9. 
https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash-on-windows/commit/317b10b7d99a4ae8281e866efc4403b9b7624320
 changes it to sort them by creation date. That’s still not perfect, of course, 
because someone might come along and builds an earlier version by hand it will 
have the last time stamp. 

Regards,
John Ralls


> On Dec 17, 2024, at 17:58, Ken Pyzik  wrote:
> 
> FYI --- Installed Version 5.10 on Sunday evening.  Have been running with no 
> issues.  Running with Windows 11 Pro.
> 
> Have noticed a very curious thing, however.  Revo Uninstaller and Windows 
> Control Panel is reporting it as version 5.9 even though the startup screen 
> in GNU Cash shows 5.10.
> 
> Not sure why it is still registering as 5.9.  I uninstalled it and 
> re-installed and splash screen says 5.10 but still registering as 5.9.
> 
> This is something very minor I suppose since functionality does not appear to 
> be affected.
> 
> Downloaded latest version from SorceForge.
> 
> Ken
> 
> 
> From: gnucash-user  on 
> behalf of John Ralls 
> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2024 2:25 PM
> To: gnucash-annou...@lists.gnucash.org 
> Cc: gnucash-devel ; Gnucash Users 
> 
> Subject: [GNC] ANNOUNCE: GnuCash 5.10 Released
> 
> The GnuCash development team announces GnuCash 5.10, the eighth release in 
> the stable 5.x series.
> Between 5.9 and 5.10, the following bugfixes were accomplished:
>Bug 798789 - Trading Accounts
>Bug 799283 - Segfault/Crash if payment dialog change from customer to 
> vendor
>Bug 799420 - gnucash 5.8 crashes on windows 10 while importing qif
>Bug 799423 - Crash when creating ETF transaction
>Bug 799429 - Crash when changing accounting period end date
>Bug 799430 - Type-Ahead feature lost account setting functionality
>Bug 799433 - Right-click issue in import window
> 
>Make the context menu apply to the row under the pointer instead of the 
> selected row.
>Bug 799435 - Right-click issue in reconcile window
> 
>Right click should open the context menu, not extend the selection.
>Bug 799437 - Crash deleting and recreating an SX with the scheduled 
> transaction editor open
>Bug 799439 - Duplicate information in description when importing 
> CAMT.053.001.02 via aqbanking
>Bug 799443 - Edit find account jump then open, open the last highlighted 
> account not the jumped to account
>Bug 799444 - Silent crash on CSV import
>Bug 799451 - Cannot translate different meanings of string "_Balance" to 
> Chinese.
> 
>Add context to the msgids.
>Bug 799452 - Transaction Report: Cannot subtotal based on Number field
> 
>enable grouping and subtotals for Num field
>Bug 799454 - Numeric value in exported CSV transactions
>Bug 799456 - Tabbing through fields autoselects all but Num field
> 
>By which the reporter means that the value in every cell except Num is 
> selected on cell entry.
>Bug 799458 - Crash attempting to edit a scheduled transaction
>Bug 799470 - Crash when clicking on Schedule Transaction Editor
> 
> The following fixes and improvements were not associated with bug reports:
> 
>Tabs now close when you middle-click on them.
>The SX editor's saved duration and height are stored differently in 
> preferences so values previously saved will be lost when switching between 
> versions 5.9 and 5.10 (and later). We regret the inconvenience but the new 
> scheme better matches GnuCash's use of the preferences.
>Allow 0 cash amount when using the Stock Assistant to create a sell 
> transaction. This might happen if the commission and fees exactly balance the 
> proceeds of the sale.
>Enforce searching for our gsettings schema files first where they were 
> installed. This was not done when the installation prefix was /usr or 
> /usr/local which could potentially cause gnucash to find other schema files 
> first.
>Set tooltip text on the outer tab container again so that it can be 
> updated by main_window_update_page_long_name.
>Tooltips on chart reports now appear any time the pointer hovers in the 
> chart area and reflect the nearest point. Previously the pointer had to be 
> very close to a point.
>Updated the quote source lists in the Security Editor dialog to reflect 
> the current Finance::Quote version.
>Display a warning dialog when a transaction is unbalanceable because the 
> user has set a minimum fraction on an account smaller than the security's 
> fraction in a book using trading accounts.
>Deleting a commodity will fail if there are accounts denominated in the 
> commodity. When reporting the err

Re: [GNC] transaction report I think

[Robert Bower]

Michael,

Thanks for your help on understanding on how things work.  I think I 
understand now.  Also thanks for the work around.


On 12/16/24 17:59, Michael or Penny Novack via gnucash-user wrote:


What I would like the report to show is on deposits rather than 
accounts receivable show I would like the Dues account to show or the 
appropriate income transfer account. 


Ah, you have run into the difficulty of using stuff intended for 
"accrual basis accounting", but like many orgs you want to record dues 
"cash basis accounting". I believe the only reason you are not seeing 
this on the other side (when paying bills) is that you are not 
entering them as expenses when received (accounts payable). If I 
understand, you want to be able to invoice members but NOT consider 
dues income until actually received << proper; dues are NOT legally 
receivable when invoiced, renewing membership is voluntary >>


Suggestion --- review the tutorial with regard to the difference 
between "accrual basis" and "cash basis" accounting. Only when you 
have some understanding of that can I help you with possible work 
arounds << to be able to produce invoices for dues but NOT be on 
"accrual basis" >> When you think you understand, you'll know what you 
will be asking for, and I'll be able to help*.


Also to have credit and debt swapped.  Not having accounting 
background I'm sure it is something I need to do or setup.  If you 
can point me in the right direction I would be appreciated. 


Did you mean "debit"? LOL, a debit in your books is the opposite of 
your debt. Came from Latin "he owes" (me)


The bank account in your organizational books is the opposite of that 
bank account in the bank's books. On YOUR books a "debit" means the 
bank owes you that money. On the bank's books they owe you that money: 
"credit" again from Latin "he trusts" (you). Latin because double 
entry bookkeeping is that old educated Europeans communicated in it if 
otherwise speaking different languages.


Debit is always to the left, credit to the right. In OLD FASHIONED 
ledger books, left hand page and right hand page.


Michael D Novack

* If you are not doing accrual basis books (most orgs use cash basis) 
you can set up a second set of books not used to enter transactions, 
just to generate invoices for dues/memberships/etc. That' the EASIEST 
workaround



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Re: [GNC] Confusing language of money direction in headers of Scheduled Transaction Editor Template Transaction

[Liz]

On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 12:22:03 -0600
R Losey  wrote:

> They do in accounting circles.
> 
> But I also remember getting confused in the scheduled transactions
> editor. I have to double-check them when they go off (at least the
> first time) to ensure that I have the debits & credits entered
> properly.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 11:36 PM Chandler Sobel-Sorenson via
> gnucash-user < gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
> 
> > Guys, this is funny because literally no one speaks like this.  I've
> > also been using GnuCash for years and never been confused like this
> > before.
> >  
> -- 

Here I agree, the language used in the scheduled transactions editor is
confusing to some (me included).
So I recommend making all new scheduled transactions by making a
transaction in a register and then scheduling that transaction.

Someone who is affected by the use of "funds in" and "funds out", like
Chandler, could file a Request For Enhancement (RFE) on the bugtracker,
to put some alternate terms.

Before Derek gets a chance, "patches are welcome".

Liz
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash Won't Start Widnows

[Jonathan A. Cohen]

I am thinking maybe this got corrupted:  C:\Program Files
(x86)\gnucash\bin\libgnc-engine.dll

When upgrading, I think it does not fully remove all components, so I did a
full uninstall and reinstall.  Will monitor for future problems.

I anyone thinks I am off-base, please let me know.



Jonathan A. Cohen
jco...@urgrad.rochester.edu


On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 6:59 PM Jonathan A. Cohen <
jco...@urgrad.rochester.edu> wrote:

> I captured the following from Windows event manager:
>
> Faulting application name: gnucash.exe, version: 5.9.0.0, time stamp:
> 0x66f9947e
> Faulting module name: libgnc-engine.dll, version: 0.0.0.0, time stamp:
> 0x66f9919f
> Exception code: 0xc005
> Fault offset: 0x000be263
> Faulting process id: 0x0x9964
> Faulting application start time: 0x0x1DB5010DDA488C8
> Faulting application path: C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin\gnucash.exe
> Faulting module path: C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin\libgnc-engine.dll
> Report Id: 3044f93f-b0fe-42c2-9705-e6a0405e0cdb
> Faulting package full name:
> Faulting package-relative application ID:
>
>
>
> 
> Jonathan A. Cohen
> 26 Patriots Drive
> Canton, MA 02021
> 781-929-8204
> jco...@urgrad.rochester.edu
>
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanaaroncohen
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 14, 2024 at 7:14 PM Jonathan A. Cohen <
> jco...@urgrad.rochester.edu> wrote:
>
>> Thank you, David. I'm not having any resources issues.
>>
>> __
>> Jonathan Cohen
>> +1-781-929-8204
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 14, 2024, 6:14 PM David Carlson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jonathan,
>>>
>>> One of the possible causes of such behavior is inadequate resources.
>>> Are you having issues with other programs, particularly web browsers?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 14, 2024 at 3:21 PM Jonathan A. Cohen <
>>> jco...@urgrad.rochester.edu> wrote:
>>>
 Upgraded to 5.9 last week.  After a few days a behavior started: the
 view
 would suddenly no longer show the transactions in any account.  Save and
 restart worked.  As the days went on, this behavior happened faster
 after
 opening.

 Today, opened GnuCash and got the warning that the file is locked.  Open
 anyways and the opening proceeded.  But once the program start progress
 bar
 completed, it disappeared.  The file is locked again.  Opening wayway
 does
 not work.  The program will not open now at all.

 I tried backing out to 5.8 but it still won't open.  Upgrade back to 5.9
 same behavior.

 Windows 11.


 
 Jonathan A. Cohen
 jco...@urgrad.rochester.edu
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash Won't Start Widnows

[David Carlson]

That would be something to try.  I had a problem with a different
application where the recommended procedure was to use the Windows
Add/Remove programs feature to remove the program, then REBOOT the computer
and verify that certain folders had also been removed before re-installing
the program.



On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 8:07 AM Jonathan A. Cohen <
jco...@urgrad.rochester.edu> wrote:

> I am thinking maybe this got corrupted:  C:\Program Files
> (x86)\gnucash\bin\libgnc-engine.dll
>
> When upgrading, I think it does not fully remove all components, so I did
> a full uninstall and reinstall.  Will monitor for future problems.
>
> I anyone thinks I am off-base, please let me know.
>
>
> 
> Jonathan A. Cohen
> jco...@urgrad.rochester.edu
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 6:59 PM Jonathan A. Cohen <
> jco...@urgrad.rochester.edu> wrote:
>
>> I captured the following from Windows event manager:
>>
>> Faulting application name: gnucash.exe, version: 5.9.0.0, time stamp:
>> 0x66f9947e
>> Faulting module name: libgnc-engine.dll, version: 0.0.0.0, time stamp:
>> 0x66f9919f
>> Exception code: 0xc005
>> Fault offset: 0x000be263
>> Faulting process id: 0x0x9964
>> Faulting application start time: 0x0x1DB5010DDA488C8
>> Faulting application path: C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin\gnucash.exe
>> Faulting module path: C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin\libgnc-engine.dll
>> Report Id: 3044f93f-b0fe-42c2-9705-e6a0405e0cdb
>> Faulting package full name:
>> Faulting package-relative application ID:
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> Jonathan A. Cohen
>> 26 Patriots Drive
>> Canton, MA 02021
>> 781-929-8204
>> jco...@urgrad.rochester.edu
>>
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanaaroncohen
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 14, 2024 at 7:14 PM Jonathan A. Cohen <
>> jco...@urgrad.rochester.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you, David. I'm not having any resources issues.
>>>
>>> __
>>> Jonathan Cohen
>>> +1-781-929-8204
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 14, 2024, 6:14 PM David Carlson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Jonathan,

 One of the possible causes of such behavior is inadequate resources.
 Are you having issues with other programs, particularly web browsers?

 On Sat, Dec 14, 2024 at 3:21 PM Jonathan A. Cohen <
 jco...@urgrad.rochester.edu> wrote:

> Upgraded to 5.9 last week.  After a few days a behavior started: the
> view
> would suddenly no longer show the transactions in any account.  Save
> and
> restart worked.  As the days went on, this behavior happened faster
> after
> opening.
>
> Today, opened GnuCash and got the warning that the file is locked.
> Open
> anyways and the opening proceeded.  But once the program start
> progress bar
> completed, it disappeared.  The file is locked again.  Opening wayway
> does
> not work.  The program will not open now at all.
>
> I tried backing out to 5.8 but it still won't open.  Upgrade back to
> 5.9
> same behavior.
>
> Windows 11.
>
>
> 
> Jonathan A. Cohen
> jco...@urgrad.rochester.edu
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Re: [GNC] How can I record reinvestment of Treasury securities?

[R Losey]

I do this with my bank - I have CDs instead of a T-bill, but I think the
procedure is the same. Note that when they automatically re-invest (I
assume you mean auto-renew), what is really happening is that one CD /
T-bill matures, and the accumulated funds are used to purchase a new one.
Thus, there are two different CDs (T-Bills) at play (I'll use CD1 and CD2
below; I think T-bills will be handled similarly, but I'll just usd "CD"
below)

Under the financial institution, I have an "CD account" and under that are
all of the CDs.

CD1 is for $1,000 earning 4.5% interest  for 1 year.

So, whenever CD1 was purchased, there is a debit to the CD1 account from
the financial institution.

(remember that debit is the left column, and credit is the right column).

As interest is paid (monthly, quarterly, or at maturity), you will enter
debits into the CD1 account with the interest; I use "Income:Interest
Income:Taxable", but you will use whatever account suits your needs.

When CD1 matures, the final value should be roughly $1045.00. You will then
create a CD2 account, and credit CD1 for $1045 and debit CD2 for $1045 (and
so on).


On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 8:39 PM Art Chimes  wrote:

> Thanks for the quick reply. I'm struggling to get the complete picture into
> one transaction. Mainly because I think of it as one transaction (albeit
> one that technically takes place over a period of days, but also because it
> seems more elegant that way. I still would love to see a screenshot,
> though
>
> -Art-
>
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 8:41 PM Christopher Lam  >
> wrote:
>
> > If I understand correctly, You would typically input the transaction as a
> > dividend payment into cash first, then immediately afterwards use all the
> > released cash towards a purchase of additional securities. You can input
> > them manually or use the Stock transaction assistant.
> >
> > Alternatively you may input as a complex transaction with the dividend
> and
> > reinvestment, however the stock transaction assistant does not offer it.
> >
> > On Tue, 17 Dec 2024, 9:10 am Art Chimes,  wrote:
> >
> >> I have purchased T-Bills and other treasury securities with an automatic
> >> reinvestment feature. Treasury Direct features this, as does Fidelity
> and
> >> probably other brokerages.
> >>
> >> Conceptually it shouldn't be the head-scratcher I seem to be making it
> out
> >> to be. I don't think of this as an exotic transaction and yet I've been
> >> completely unable to find an explanation I can understand (My fault, I'm
> >> sure). What I would really like to see is an actual screen shot showing
> >> how
> >> to enter the various pieces of a transaction that involves the return of
> >> the par value of the bond, the assignment of interest, the purchase of
> the
> >> replacement bond once the auction determines the price to be paid.
> >>
> >> My head hurts just typing this. ;-)
> >>
> >> I couldn't locate any relevant documentation that helps me.  Thanks.
> >>
> >>
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Re: [GNC] Confusing language of money direction in headers of Scheduled Transaction Editor Template Transaction

[R Losey]

They do in accounting circles.

But I also remember getting confused in the scheduled transactions editor.
I have to double-check them when they go off (at least the first time) to
ensure that I have the debits & credits entered properly.


On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 11:36 PM Chandler Sobel-Sorenson via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:

> Guys, this is funny because literally no one speaks like this.  I've
> also been using GnuCash for years and never been confused like this
> before.
>
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Re: [GNC] How can I record reinvestment of Treasury securities?

[Michael or Penny Novack via gnucash-user]

On 12/16/2024 9:38 PM, Art Chimes wrote:

Thanks for the quick reply. I'm struggling to get the complete picture into
one transaction. Mainly because I think of it as one transaction (albeit
one that technically takes place over a period of days, but also because it
seems more elegant that way. I still would love to see a screenshot,
though


What DATE would you assign to the single transaction? That's why I 
showed it as two. For example if that date interval spanned a tax 
critical date, could put that interest income into the wrong period. 
BUTif you like (partially)


Assume bond had been bought for X, matured at Y, and repurchased at Z

Date debit

                  Bond   Z,  cash Y

         credit

                  Bond   X, cash Z,  income interest Y - X

That checks out with total debits Z + Y  and total credits Z + ( X - X) +Y

Now that is being given in "journal form" which is, in fact, what you 
see when entering a "split" transaction in gnucash. Please note that you 
are asking an ACCOUNTING question (what are the debits and credits of 
the transaction). That is not specific to gnucash, hence no 
"screenshot". IF on the other hand, you were asking us "I know how to 
enter (in gnucash) a transaction that has exactly one debit and one 
credit. But what do I  do if there is more than one debit or more than 
one credit? How do I enter that in gnucash?" NOW we have a gnucash 
question, but note nothing specific to reinvesting in bonds at maturity, 
We would THEN discuss with you "entering "split" transactions in gnucash 
and NOW a screenshot might be needed. More than one debit or more than 
one credit is actually the general case. Exactly one of each a special 
case, but this special case will be >90% of all transactions so the 
shortcut method of entry into taught first.


Do you know how to enter a transaction after hitting the "split" button?

Michael D Novack



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