Re: [GNC] Debug information to sort out Finance::Quote issue on macOS Ventura

[Vincent Lucarelli]

Thanks John, I did in fact forget to replace the environment.local file after a 
fresh GnuCash install, but still no luck.

I’m trying to sort through dtruss output, but it is a bit difficult to sort out 
what is going wrong. Happy to receive additional suggestions.


For the API keys, I wrote several of the new F::Q modules and choose not to 
support environment variables because it seemed like more services were going 
to require API keys and the number of environment variables would grow.  So the 
only mechanism right now is to set the API key when instantiating an F::Q 
object.

I saw that you commented one F::Q/issue/200 and indicated a new major release 
of GnuCash is in the works.  Is F::Q going to continue to be the source for 
quotes in that version?  Is so, I think there are at least two options for 
dealing with API keys - F::Q adds environment variables for every module that 
needs one and then GnuCash either continues to use something like the 
environment file or adds a preference where users can register environment 
variables, or, GnuCash adds a preference for registering API keys and those get 
routed to wherever the F::Q instance is created.

The environment variables seem to cause users headaches to make sure they are 
set properly and survive GnuCash upgrades, but a separate GnuCash preference 
set of key/values for F::Q API keys is a lot more work for the GnuCash 
developers.  I haven’t been active on F::Q development, but if there are 
changes that will help with the next GnuCash release, I’ll find time to help.

Best,

Vince





> On Dec 16, 2022, at 12:31 PM, john  wrote:
> 
>> On Dec 15, 2022, at 4:37 PM, Vincent Lucarelli  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I upgraded to macOS Ventura and am having trouble getting Finance::Quote to 
>> work.
>> 
>> gnc-fq-dump is working in the terminal (see shell output below), but in 
>> GnuCash I get the error “There was a system error while retrieving the price 
>> quotes.”
>> 
>> Is there some way to get debugging output from the GnuCash app so I can see 
>> what call is being made and what error is occurring?
> 
> If you're trying to use iexcloud in GnuCash and you have an Intel mac then 
> the problem is most likely that iexcloud key. GnuCash doesn't read the 
> environment set in the shell's .*profile so you'll have to add it as an 
> environment variable to the environment file, see 
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Configuration_Locations#File_environment.local.
> 
> There's another problem with newer F::Q modules requiring an api key: Many of 
> them don't have an associated environment variable and expect the api_key to 
> be passed as a parameter and Finance::Quote doesn't expose any way to 
> discover whether a module requires a key making it rather difficult for 
> GnuCash to support them.
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls

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Re: [GNC] Debug information to sort out Finance::Quote issue on macOS Ventura

[Vincent Lucarelli]

Hi Richard,

I’m running GnuCash on a Retina 5K, 27-inch, 2019 with an 3.7 GHz 6-Core Intel 
Core i5 and Ventura 13.0.1.  I have an M1 MacBook, but don’t run GnuCash there.

I didn’t follow the development of Ventura closely, so I don’t know when Apple 
changed course, but there are a few Intel models still supported 
(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213264).

Best,

Vince

> On Dec 16, 2022, at 2:18 PM, R Losey  wrote:
> 
> I'm pretty sure that Ventura does not work on Intel Macs... I suspect that 
> Vincent has an M1 or M2 Mac.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 11:32 AM john  > wrote:
>> > On Dec 15, 2022, at 4:37 PM, Vincent Lucarelli 
>> > mailto:vincent.lucare...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > 
>> > Hi,
>> > 
>> > I upgraded to macOS Ventura and am having trouble getting Finance::Quote 
>> > to work.
>> > 
>> > gnc-fq-dump is working in the terminal (see shell output below), but in 
>> > GnuCash I get the error “There was a system error while retrieving the 
>> > price quotes.”
>> > 
>> > Is there some way to get debugging output from the GnuCash app so I can 
>> > see what call is being made and what error is occurring?
>> 
>> If you're trying to use iexcloud in GnuCash and you have an Intel mac then 
>> the problem is most likely that iexcloud key. GnuCash doesn't read the 
>> environment set in the shell's .*profile so you'll have to add it as an 
>> environment variable to the environment file, see 
>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Configuration_Locations#File_environment.local.
>> 
>> There's another problem with newer F::Q modules requiring an api key: Many 
>> of them don't have an associated environment variable and expect the api_key 
>> to be passed as a parameter and Finance::Quote doesn't expose any way to 
>> discover whether a module requires a key making it rather difficult for 
>> GnuCash to support them.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
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Re: [GNC] Debug information to sort out Finance::Quote issue on macOS Ventura

[Vincent Lucarelli]

John,

I opened an F::Q issue 
https://github.com/finance-quote/finance-quote/issues/254 to discuss with Bruce 
how to implement the enumeration in F::Q of modules with an API key.  If you 
have time, please comment on any changes to the preliminary idea I outlined to 
make the feature work best for GnuCash.

I didn’t know how to find the command line options for logging and will try 
your suggestion.

Thanks,

Vince

> On Dec 16, 2022, at 4:25 PM, John Ralls  wrote:
> 
> Vince,
> 
> Dtruss probably tells you a lot of stuff you don't need and not much that you 
> do. Did you try `gnucash --log gnc.scm=debug --logto=stderr`?
> 
> Yes, GnuCash 5 will continue to use F::Q. Geert and I rewrote the original 
> Scheme bridge in C++ and greatly improved the error capture and reporting in 
> the process. We're still using the legacy methods so I guess some more work 
> is in order.
> 
> In order for GnuCash to support passing api keys as source module parameters 
> we need a Quote.pm function to enumerate the source modules that need an API 
> key. The alternative of hard-coding the modules in GnuCash is too brittle 
> because the module names sometimes change. That brittleness is evident in the 
> Security Editor where we still list a bunch of modules that no longer exist 
> and there are a bunch of new modules at the bottom.
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls
> 
>> On 16. Dec 2022, at 11:52, Vincent Lucarelli  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks John, I did in fact forget to replace the environment.local file 
>> after a fresh GnuCash install, but still no luck.
>> 
>> I’m trying to sort through dtruss output, but it is a bit difficult to sort 
>> out what is going wrong. Happy to receive additional suggestions.
>> 
>> 
>> For the API keys, I wrote several of the new F::Q modules and choose not to 
>> support environment variables because it seemed like more services were 
>> going to require API keys and the number of environment variables would 
>> grow.  So the only mechanism right now is to set the API key when 
>> instantiating an F::Q object.
>> 
>> I saw that you commented one F::Q/issue/200 and indicated a new major 
>> release of GnuCash is in the works.  Is F::Q going to continue to be the 
>> source for quotes in that version?  Is so, I think there are at least two 
>> options for dealing with API keys - F::Q adds environment variables for 
>> every module that needs one and then GnuCash either continues to use 
>> something like the environment file or adds a preference where users can 
>> register environment variables, or, GnuCash adds a preference for 
>> registering API keys and those get routed to wherever the F::Q instance is 
>> created.
>> 
>> The environment variables seem to cause users headaches to make sure they 
>> are set properly and survive GnuCash upgrades, but a separate GnuCash 
>> preference set of key/values for F::Q API keys is a lot more work for the 
>> GnuCash developers.  I haven’t been active on F::Q development, but if there 
>> are changes that will help with the next GnuCash release, I’ll find time to 
>> help.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Vince
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2022, at 12:31 PM, john  wrote:
>>> 
 On Dec 15, 2022, at 4:37 PM, Vincent Lucarelli 
  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I upgraded to macOS Ventura and am having trouble getting Finance::Quote 
 to work.
 
 gnc-fq-dump is working in the terminal (see shell output below), but in 
 GnuCash I get the error “There was a system error while retrieving the 
 price quotes.”
 
 Is there some way to get debugging output from the GnuCash app so I can 
 see what call is being made and what error is occurring?
>>> 
>>> If you're trying to use iexcloud in GnuCash and you have an Intel mac then 
>>> the problem is most likely that iexcloud key. GnuCash doesn't read the 
>>> environment set in the shell's .*profile so you'll have to add it as an 
>>> environment variable to the environment file, see 
>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Configuration_Locations#File_environment.local.
>>> 
>>> There's another problem with newer F::Q modules requiring an api key: Many 
>>> of them don't have an associated environment variable and expect the 
>>> api_key to be passed as a parameter and Finance::Quote doesn't expose any 
>>> way to discover whether a module requires a key making it rather difficult 
>>> for GnuCash to support them.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> John Ralls
>> 
> 

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Re: [GNC] Splitting a Transaction (Newbie Question)

[Fred Bone]

On 17 December 2022 at 22:19, p.f.cuthb...@btinternet.com p.f.cuthbert@ 
said:

[...]
> So let us have an example:
> 
> Payment by bank card (credit entry to Bank Account) of £7.24 comprising a
> book (debit £5.25 to Entertainment) and some milk (debit £1.99 to
> Groceries).
[...]
> If any kind reader can advise on the correct way yo handle this simple
> task I would be most grateful as I do simple domestic accounting but have
> lots of split debit analysis.

Starting from the bank (or credit card) account, i.e. the one from which 
the payment was made:

1. Go to the "new entry" line (at the bottom)
2. Enter the Description
3. Tab to the Credit column
4. Enter the amount (7.24), replacing what was there before
5. Tab. This commits the txn
6. Return to the "Transfer" field of the new txn
7. Right-click and select "Split"
8. Tab to the Debit column on the debit split
9. Enter the correct value (1.99)
10. Tab twice. A new split is added with the difference (5.25) in Debit.
11. Go to the Transfer column of the new split and complete it.

HTH .. F

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Re: [GNC] Splitting a Transaction (Newbie Question)

[p.f.cuthb...@btinternet.com p.f.cuthbert--- via gnucash-user]

Good Morning from a very wet and windy Wales


Thank you all very much for your helpful comments.

Thank you also Michael for reminding me about the 'Journal'.  As a fresh 
faced Articled Clerk in the early 1970s we came across a small number of 
firms that still had hand written leather bound Journals.  Naturally we 
ACs were not at all surprised as that is what was written about in the 
text books we had to read. Of course, many of the smaller clients had no 
books at all and would just give us a big cardboard box full of 
invoices, cheque book stubs, empty fag packets and a few bank statements 
which we were supposed to turn into a set of accounts.  The more 
financially aware small businesses used the analysed cash book system.


As I understand it Quicken. up to and including the Millenium Edition 
(which is what I am finally going to abandon), had the analysed cash 
book (actually bank book) as its conceptual model.  That made a great 
deal of sense given the marketing thrust for the product.  I am very 
happy with that model and am assuming that I can run GNUCash like that 
with the bank account as the central player.


By the term Bank Card payment I meant Debit Card which here in the UK 
seems to be the major form of payment since the Covid Pandemic. I 
certainly have not used Bank of England cash for more than two years. 
The impact on Quicken has been that more transactions have been recorded 
every month as every card slip gets entered.  Previously one would 
withdraw cash (one entry) and then spend that cash on the myriad small 
transactions of life which were not recorded.


Credit card transactions were included by treating the monthly statement 
as 'card slip'.  Thus every listed purchase is a debit in the 
appropriate account and the total bill amount is the credit in the Bank. 
So you can see why I am interested in Split Transactions.


Investigation this morning has established:
   * The system is set up in Basic Ledger Mode
   * The test transactions were entered in the Bank Account
   * The Bank Account shows no record of the test transactions
   * The debits have appeared in the named expense accounts as you have 
forecast
   * A new account has appeared called 'Imbalance-GBP' that contains 
the correct (and incorrect credits) that I would have expected in the 
Bank Account.


This leads me to a new question.  Is the 'Bank Account' a reserved name 
which I must use for my bank account to make it work?  It is not called 
that currently.  In Quicken one had to allocate a type to accounts which 
included bank account, savings account, investment, etc.  I had assumed 
that these may have carried across in the QIF file but perhaps not.  I 
have just looked at the bank account settings in 'Edit Account' and see 
that it is labelled as a Bank account. So there must be something else I 
am not doing which makes GNUCash think that a payment in the Bank 
Account is not meant to be there.


Many thanks for all the help.

Regards

Pete







-- Original Message --
From: "Michael or Penny Novack" 
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Sent: Saturday, 17 Dec, 2022 At 23:04
Subject: Re: [GNC] Splitting a Transaction (Newbie Question)

At this point things look good.  So what does one do next? Press Return 
seems like a safe bet.  However it is far from it.  All that happens is 
that the whole transaction disappears.  The alternative, using another 
Tab is almost as bad.  The £1.99 debit in Groceries is now replaced by a 
£5.25 credit and the £7.24 credit from the bank has disappeared.  Ok, it 
makes the books appear to balance since double entry is maintained but 
the whole process seem astonishingly random.
If any kind reader can advise on the correct way yo handle this simple 
task I would be most grateful as I do simple domestic accounting but 
have lots of split debit analysis.
You might have completed the split (depends on what you meant by "whole 
thing disappeared").
Some background might help. In the old days of double entry (before 
computer apps to shortcut bits) a transaction was FIRST entered into a 
book called a "journal" and later each line of the journal entry was 
ported to the ledger (in the account on that line). Here gnucash is 
letting you skip entering into the journal (has a "virtual journal") for 
simple transactions affecting just two accounts. But when you enter a 
split, you are in "journal mode".
I think what you meant by "disappeared" is that the journal view 
disappeared and you were back in the account view in which you started 
(but something about what you see there indicates the transaction was a 
split). You could go to one of the other accounts affected (or all of 
the other accounts) to see if what appears there is right. If so, all 
done.

Michael D Novack

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Re: [GNC] Splitting a Transaction (Newbie Question)

[Michael or Penny Novack]

On 12/17/2022 6:27 PM, R Losey wrote:

When you say "bank card", are you talking about something like a debit
card, or a credit card?

Also, was this at one shop where you spent 7.24?

If it is a debit card (money comes directly from the bank account, in
contrast to a credit card, where charges accumulate, and you pay them off
monthly), I'd go to the bank account and enter the transaction:

If it is a "debit card" on YOUR bank account that would not be a 
separate asset account. THAT debit card is just the equivalent of doing 
an electronic check from your bank account (one without a check number)


But if it is a debit card equivalent to a "gift card" (not associated 
with your bank account) then it would have its own asset account to be 
credited for the amount used.


 When entering a ONE SIDED split transaction, always start in the 
account on the unsplit side of the transaction. Then you keep changing 
the amount remaining on the other side as you add accounts till all used 
up. But if it is a TWO SIDED split, much ore complicated, and I suggest 
you not tackle those until experienced entering split transactions << 
there are useful tricks for entering two sided tricks but those will be 
confusing before you have mastered one sided spit >>


Michael D Novack


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Re: [GNC] Splitting a Transaction (Newbie Question)

[Adrien Monteleone]

On 12/18/22 5:09 AM, p.f.cuthb...@btinternet.com p.f.cuthbert--- via 
gnucash-user wrote:

Investigation this morning has established:
    * The system is set up in Basic Ledger Mode
    * The test transactions were entered in the Bank Account
    * The Bank Account shows no record of the test transactions
    * The debits have appeared in the named expense accounts as you have 
forecast
    * A new account has appeared called 'Imbalance-GBP' that contains 
the correct (and incorrect credits) that I would have expected in the 
Bank Account.
Ah ha. Indeed, the transactions did not disappear, but are no longer 
anchored to the Bank Account.


The Imbalance-xxx accounts (one for each currency may be created from 
time to time) are created by GnuCash when you leave a transaction entry 
unbalanced.


I'm not certain of the exact keyboard mechanics you used to cause this, 
but the solution is simple.


First, while you're getting started, turn on View > Transaction Journal. 
This will show all splits at all times. Once you get the hang of 
entering transactions, you can switch back to Basic View if preferred.


(You might also consider turning on View > Double Line which will give 
you an extra line for transactions level notes.)


When you are in Basic View, you do not need to enter the split *for the 
account you are in*, you only need to enter the split for the 'other' 
account.


GnuCash auto-creates a split for the opened account, in this case your 
Bank Account.


You can check this by entering a simple transaction in Basic View, and 
then turning on Transaction Journal.


But in Transaction Journal mode, while that 'home' split is 
auto-created, it does not contain an amount yet. You have to enter it.


Just be sure, before you exit a transaction that every split has an 
amount and that there is no hanging amount on a split line without an 
account assigned. (this tells you, you aren't yet balanced) If you 
commit at this point, GnuCash will assign that leftover amount to one of 
the Imbalance accounts. (GBP in your case)


Transactions are anchored to accounts based on their splits. If you 
'lose' a transaction, that is because it somehow became un-anchored to 
the register you are viewing, either by deleting the anchoring split 
(there are warnings for this), by changing the account assignment of the 
anchoring split (no warning) or by erasing or leaving blank the amount 
for the anchoring split. (no warning)


If you need to re-anchor a transaction, simply change the Imbalance-GBP 
account assignment to the proper account.


This leads me to a new question.  Is the 'Bank Account' a reserved name 
which I must use for my bank account to make it work?  It is not called 
that currently.  In Quicken one had to allocate a type to accounts which 
included bank account, savings account, investment, etc.  I had assumed 
that these may have carried across in the QIF file but perhaps not.  I 
have just looked at the bank account settings in 'Edit Account' and see 
that it is labelled as a Bank account. So there must be something else I 
am not doing which makes GNUCash think that a payment in the Bank 
Account is not meant to be there.


Nothing reserved on the name. It can also be just a generic asset 
account. I think with type Bank there are other functions enabled 
though. (online banking?) The Type also affects the 'friendly' column 
names, but if you are using formal labels Debit & Credit, that of course 
doesn't matter.


Regards,
Adrien

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[GNC] New User: initial help getting up and running

[Eric Chapman]

Hi, everyone,

I just downloaded Gnucash-Intel-4.12-1.dmg for Mac. I plan to install in 
on Ventura (MacOS 13.1) on a late 2018 Mac Mini (Intel). I'm trying to 
migrate from another software on a Windows virtual machine on the Mac.


I have some questions:

(1) Is it likely that Gnucash will be made available for M1 and M2 Macs 
in the future? From what I can tell, it is for Intel Macs only, so if 
there is no future for the later ones, maybe I should not go this route.


(2) I read much of the README.TXT file. With the .dmg file I downloaded 
install everything I need or do the instructions under "Dependencies" 
and "Building and Installing" mean that I have to start with getting all 
that stuff on the Mac first?


(3) Is there a "New User Guide" somewhere on the web that can be 
accessed? Tutorials?


Thank you!

Eric Chapman

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Re: [GNC] New User: initial help getting up and running

[Adrien Monteleone]

On 12/18/22 2:20 PM, Eric Chapman wrote:

Hi, everyone,

I just downloaded Gnucash-Intel-4.12-1.dmg for Mac. I plan to install in 
on Ventura (MacOS 13.1) on a late 2018 Mac Mini (Intel). I'm trying to 
migrate from another software on a Windows virtual machine on the Mac.


I have some questions:

(1) Is it likely that Gnucash will be made available for M1 and M2 Macs 
in the future? From what I can tell, it is for Intel Macs only, so if 
there is no future for the later ones, maybe I should not go this route.


GnuCash already runs on the M1. (that doesn't mean it is optimized for 
it, but it should run at least as well if not better than on Intel as 
most other pre-M1 apps do.)




(2) I read much of the README.TXT file. With the .dmg file I downloaded 
install everything I need or do the instructions under "Dependencies" 
and "Building and Installing" mean that I have to start with getting all 
that stuff on the Mac first?


That is for building from source. You can ignore it as you already have 
a working copy.


However, the dmg does not have the handy shortcuts many other dmgs do. 
You need to drag the GnuCash.app from the dmg to your Applications 
folder. (either system-wide or per-user as desired)


Then from the Applications folder, right-click and choose Open. MacOS 
will ask if you are sure you want to open it. Confirm you do. It may or 
may not open at this point. (it does for some, not for others, and I'm 
not sure why.)


Simply run the app as normal from here on out. Put it in your Dock if 
you like.


One final note - GnuCash opens the last used file. On Mac, 
double-clicking a data file does *not* open what you double-clicked. 
GnuCash will still just open that last used file. This is only important 
if you end up with multiple data files.


To open a different file on MacOS, always start GnuCash then use File > 
Open.


(3) Is there a "New User Guide" somewhere on the web that can be 
accessed? Tutorials?


Both the Help and the Tutorial & Concepts Guide are on the GnuCash.org 
website for online viewing as well as individual downloads in several 
formats, both should also be accessible from the Help menu within the 
app, and there is also wiki.gnucash.org, as well as this mailing list.


Welcome to GnuCash!

Regards,
Adrien

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Re: [GNC] New User: initial help getting up and running

[David H]

Probably also a good idea to post something along the lines of "I'm
migrating from software package xyz to gnucash - any suggestions on the
best way to do this?"  Plenty here have migrated from the likes of
Quicken/Quickbooks etc.  They'll generally tell you to start small with
perhaps a month's worth of txns for maybe one account at a time to train
the importer so that it gets better and better at recognising your txns and
the accounts they go to.  You can also just create a test gnucash file to
see how things go and blow it away later if it's not working out well :-)

Cheers David H.


On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 at 06:43, Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> On 12/18/22 2:20 PM, Eric Chapman wrote:
> > Hi, everyone,
> >
> > I just downloaded Gnucash-Intel-4.12-1.dmg for Mac. I plan to install in
> > on Ventura (MacOS 13.1) on a late 2018 Mac Mini (Intel). I'm trying to
> > migrate from another software on a Windows virtual machine on the Mac.
> >
> > I have some questions:
> >
> > (1) Is it likely that Gnucash will be made available for M1 and M2 Macs
> > in the future? From what I can tell, it is for Intel Macs only, so if
> > there is no future for the later ones, maybe I should not go this route.
>
> GnuCash already runs on the M1. (that doesn't mean it is optimized for
> it, but it should run at least as well if not better than on Intel as
> most other pre-M1 apps do.)
>
> >
> > (2) I read much of the README.TXT file. With the .dmg file I downloaded
> > install everything I need or do the instructions under "Dependencies"
> > and "Building and Installing" mean that I have to start with getting all
> > that stuff on the Mac first?
>
> That is for building from source. You can ignore it as you already have
> a working copy.
>
> However, the dmg does not have the handy shortcuts many other dmgs do.
> You need to drag the GnuCash.app from the dmg to your Applications
> folder. (either system-wide or per-user as desired)
>
> Then from the Applications folder, right-click and choose Open. MacOS
> will ask if you are sure you want to open it. Confirm you do. It may or
> may not open at this point. (it does for some, not for others, and I'm
> not sure why.)
>
> Simply run the app as normal from here on out. Put it in your Dock if
> you like.
>
> One final note - GnuCash opens the last used file. On Mac,
> double-clicking a data file does *not* open what you double-clicked.
> GnuCash will still just open that last used file. This is only important
> if you end up with multiple data files.
>
> To open a different file on MacOS, always start GnuCash then use File >
> Open.
>
> > (3) Is there a "New User Guide" somewhere on the web that can be
> > accessed? Tutorials?
>
> Both the Help and the Tutorial & Concepts Guide are on the GnuCash.org
> website for online viewing as well as individual downloads in several
> formats, both should also be accessible from the Help menu within the
> app, and there is also wiki.gnucash.org, as well as this mailing list.
>
> Welcome to GnuCash!
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
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Re: [GNC] New User: initial help getting up and running

[Jim DeLaHunt]

On 2022-12-18 12:20, Eric Chapman wrote:


Hi, everyone,

I just downloaded Gnucash-Intel-4.12-1.dmg for Mac. I plan to install 
in on Ventura (MacOS 13.1) on a late 2018 Mac Mini (Intel). I'm trying 
to migrate from another software on a Windows virtual machine on the Mac.


Hello, Eric, and welcome to GnuCash! I will try to answer your 
questions, with answers interleaved below.




I have some questions:

(1) Is it likely that Gnucash will be made available for M1 and M2 
Macs in the future? From what I can tell, it is for Intel Macs only, 
so if there is no future for the later ones, maybe I should not go 
this route.


GnuCash certainly is available for M1 and M2 macs, and always has been. 
I have a MacBook Pro with an M1 Max processor, and GnuCash runs fine.


Tell me, what gives you the impression that GnuCash "is for Intel Macs 
only"? Maybe we can reword whatever is giving you that false impression, 
to make it clearer.


If it is the fact that the installer is named 
"Gnucash-Intel-4.12-1.dmg", that name does not indicate that Gnucash 
works _only_ on Macs with intel processors. The word "intel" has 
technical and historical meanings. It was compiled using the machine 
code of intel processors, but the magic of macOS allows M1 and M2 Macs 
to run the machine code of intel processors, in addition to the machine 
code of M1 and M2 processors.


(2) I read much of the README.TXT file. With the .dmg file I 
downloaded install everything I need or do the instructions under 
"Dependencies" and "Building and Installing" mean that I have to start 
with getting all that stuff on the Mac first?


The README.TXT comes from a history of software distributed as source 
code, which recipients must build first before being able to run.  But 
when you download "GnuCash for Mac", you are getting "precompiled 
binaries". That is, you get a Mac app which is all ready to go.  The 
README.TXT file does not really tell you how to install this.


GnuCash as distributed for Mac is a Mac app. Install it like you install 
other Mac apps: open the .dmg file, see a window containing an icon 
named something ".app", and drag that icon to your Applications folder. 
Then double-click on that Gnucash.app icon within your Applications folder.





(3) Is there a "New User Guide" somewhere on the web that can be 
accessed? Tutorials?


Totally!  Take a look at the "Documentation" section of the GnuCash 
website: .


I suggest you start by reading through the "Tutorial and Concepts Guide" 
.


Then consider how familiar you feel with the basics of double-entry 
bookkeeping. GnuCash relies on double-entry, whereas other bookkeeping 
packages try to hide it. If you feel underprepared, read up on basic 
accounting a bit. Wikipedia's 
 
is a good place to start. Maybe get an tutorial book on accounting.


Do you work with an accountant?  Maybe ask them to recommend a book. You 
will want to ask them later to recommend how to structure your 
accounting work. We in the GnuCash community can help you figure out how 
to use GnuCash to achieve your accounting goals, but only your 
accountant can advise you on what are the right accounting goals for 
your jurisdiction and your situation.


Then run GnuCash, make a test book purely for experimentation, and start 
entering some of your typical transactions.  Try things. Fail. Learn. 
Then start over again with a new book for your real bookkeeping.


At some point, you will want to look up details of how to operate 
GnuCash in the "Help Manual" 
.


When you want community help, consult the links in the left pane of the 
GnuCash.org main page, to find an FAQ, a Wiki, and information about our 
mailing lists (including the one you are currently using).


I hope this helps you get started. Have fun!
  —Jim "GnuCash 4.10 on Apple Silicon M1 Max and macOS Monterey 
12.6.2" DeLaHunt




Thank you!

Eric Chapman

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Re: [GNC] Splitting a Transaction (Newbie Question)

[Liz Dodd]

On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 13:15:41 -0600
Adrien Monteleone  wrote:

> I'm not certain of the exact keyboard mechanics you used to cause
> this, but the solution is simple.

It is often caused by pressing the Enter key prematurely. Adrien knows
that, I'd just like to suggest it here, so you can watch what happens
in future.

Liz
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[GNC] Doumentation in Linux

[MW via gnucash-user]

I installed the docs but when I choose the help file from the help menu 
it says they aren't installed. I have not been able to find how to link 
the docs I installed to the help menu. Is it possible?


Mike

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Re: [GNC] Splitting a Transaction (Newbie Question)

[Adrien Monteleone]

Certainly hitting Enter early is the cause. Before I sent the previous 
reply, I tried playing with Basic View and the Split button to see how I 
could manage it and was having difficulty. I guess that is because I 
already know how to avoid doing so.


After a few more attempts, I'm going to hazard the following guess:

1. Start a new transaction
2. Hit the Split button
3. Avoid taking careful notice that the anchoring split already exists 
though *without an amount*.
4. Re-assign that split's account to some other account (or simply leave 
its amount blank)

5. Add more splits for the other Expenses/accounts.
6. Avoid taking notice that a new un-assigned split is auto-created 
*with a balancing amount*.

7. Hit Enter

The result is the transaction 'disappears' (because it is un-anchored to 
the register in view) and that final balancing split gets assigned to 
the Imbalance-xxx account.


I suspect this workflow because in normal Basic View (un-split) you 
don't need to enter the split anchoring the transaction to the register 
being viewed, you only enter the 'other' split. A new user might not 
realize that when using the Split feature, you now need to enter them 
all explicitly. Though I also suspect this is covered in the 
Documentation which gets rare attention from new uesers. (I'll have to 
drag that up to confirm myself.)


Regards,
Adrien

On 12/18/22 3:37 PM, Liz Dodd wrote:

On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 13:15:41 -0600
Adrien Monteleone  wrote:


I'm not certain of the exact keyboard mechanics you used to cause
this, but the solution is simple.


It is often caused by pressing the Enter key prematurely. Adrien knows
that, I'd just like to suggest it here, so you can watch what happens
in future.


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Re: [GNC] Splitting a Transaction (Newbie Question)

[Adrien Monteleone]

Indeed, §6.4 Multiple Split Transactions, particularly steps 10–15 cover 
this.


https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-help/trans-multi-enter.html

Regards,
Adrien

On 12/18/22 4:04 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
Though I also suspect this is covered in the 
Documentation which gets rare attention from new users. (I'll have to 
drag that up to confirm myself.)


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Re: [GNC] Doumentation in Linux

[David Cousens]

Mike 

I had a post a day or two ago in reponse to another question when  I had V4.12
of GnuCash installed but an earlier version of the documentation ,4.11 ehich was
installed to /usr/local/share/gnome/help/  and yelp, the gnome help utility
utility was looking for it in a different locations when called from within the
gnucash program /usr/local/share/help /C/gnucash_guide/* and
/usr/local/share/help/C/gnucash-help/*  which is where the program looks for the
docs in V4.12. After I dowloaded and rebuilt the 4.12 docs accessing them form
the program was OK.

If you built and installed the documentation yourself the install manifest in
the build directory will tell you which location it is installed in

David Cousens



On Sun, 2022-12-18 at 15:46 -0600, MW via gnucash-user wrote:
> I installed the docs but when I choose the help file from the help menu 
> it says they aren't installed. I have not been able to find how to link 
> the docs I installed to the help menu. Is it possible?
> 
> Mike
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[GNC] GnuCash 4.13 Released

[John Ralls]

The GnuCash development team announces GnuCash 4.13, the fourteenth release in 
the stable 4.x series

Between 4.12 and 4.13, the following bugfixes were accomplished:

• Bug 760274 - The Statusbar "forgets" when register doesn't have focus
• Bug 798545 - Crash when updating document link on vendor bill
• Bug 798614 - Croatia to join the Euro
• Bug 798629 - gnucash crashes attempting to import OFX file
• Bug 798633 - 4.12 build failure on 32-bit Linux: "No code for module"
• Bug 798640 - Segfault when running saved report
• Bug 798649 - Crash when closing Edit Style Sheets dialog while Style 
Sheet Properties dialog is still open.
• Bug 798653 - Schedule Calendar event description pop up window does 
not track mouse position
• Bug 798657 - Import Summary language is wrong
• Bug 798664 - Result of 'gnucash --nofile' is marked dirty
• Bug 798669 - Multicolumn Balance Sheet not printing exchange rates
include equity accounts in the exchange rate commodities list. 

• Bug 798672 - Preferences are not saved nor loaded, ERROR  
g_settings_new_full: assertion 'schema != NULL' failed
• Bug 798680 - Not able to match a reverse transaction of a previously 
matched transaction.
• Bug 798681 - Previously imported investment income transactions may 
not be filtered.
• Bug 798694 - Cursor in the wrong place after pasting with 
auto-completion
The following fixes and improvements were not associated with bug reports:

• Don't normalize text when pasting from the clipboard or appending 
descriptions or notes during imports.
• [register] Delay post-ime reset of the selection to works around bug 
798587. 
• [ofx import] Clean up importing investment transactions for smoother 
workflow and better UI behavior.
• [account-piecharts] drill-down piechart: tree-depth is at most 6
• Fix numerous memory leaks.
• [ifrs-report] From Bug 798004 allow Cr cash to offset Dr fee and 
remove invalid "dividend reinvestment" during short. 
• [gtest-qofevent.cpp] Add comprehensive tests for qofevent
• [test-qofbook] Test that gnc_features_test_unknown returns a suitable 
error message 
• [test-qofbook.c] add test for gnc_features_set_unused
• [gnc-features.cpp] backport gnc_features_set_unused from master
• [qofbook.cpp] backport qof_book_unset_feature from master
• Move gnc-euro.[ch] to engine and unit test it.
• [test-qofbook] basic features test: Sets a feature and tests it's 
set. it's impossible to design a book with unknown features using the API. 
• po/README: Remove relics from ancient context forms
• [test-ifrs-cost-basis] amend tests to accommodate extra column.
• [ifrs-cost-basis] compare register vs calculated capgain per 
transaction.
• Accomodate WebKit package version update to webkit2gtk-4.1.
• [assistant-stock-transaction] input positive capgains for Credit 
income account.
New API: None.

Deprecations:

• qof_book_get_features
New and Updated Translations: Chinese (Simplified), Croatian, English 
(Australia), English (New Zealand), English (United Kingdom), French, 
Hungarian, Indonesian, Japanese, Korean, Macedonian, Polish, Spanish, Urdu

Help translate GnuCash on Weblate

Known Problems

Complete list of all open bugs.

Documentation

Concurrent with the release of GnuCash 4.13 we're pleased to also release a new 
version of the companion Help and Tutorial and Concepts Guide

Between 4.12 and 4.13, the following bugfixes were accomplished:

• Bug 798620 - Unable to build docs on Mageia Cauldron
• Bug 798623 - ENG. Typo "documenation"
• Bug 798624 - Document how to check if GnuCash is running when 
updating quotes
• Bug 798645 - screens instead of WINDOWS
• Bug 798665 - New: ENG. Typo: Unnecessary determiner "a" [2.6.1. 
Migrating financial data]
• Bug 798674 - Broken link on Chapter 17. Python Bindings
The following fixes and improvements were not associated with bug reports:

• Manual🇩🇪 Account_Actions: Tippfehler-Korrektur
• Review URLs and replace them by entities in all parts and languages 
excepting in comments or FDL appendix
• manual, ch_Finance-Quote: fix broken entities
• gnc-gui-struct.dtd: fix some mistakes and add entities for menuitems 
and menuchoice.
• Update url-irc to "irc://irc.gimp.net/gnucash" see the email 
announcement
• Partial Modernization of Manual:C:Business: Differentiation of 
admonitions and improvement of lists
• Manual:C: Convert CSV assistant into 
• Multi-split csv elaboration
• Update app-fq-vers to "1.53"
• Replace "Online Quote Setup" instructions in Guide by links to the 
manual chapter.
• Enhance bookinfos by subtitle and titleabbrev;drop "Help" from 
manual. Adding titleabbrev allow

[GNC] Is there a way to find date & time a transaction was entered?

[Dr. David Kirkby]

I have a transaction that I entered incorrectly. Is there a way to
determine the date & time that the transaction was entered? If so, I could
just load a backup file created just before I screwed up.

I know that in formal accounting one should not delete transactions, but
apply a reversing transaction. But I think that will just confuse me, and
my accountant more. I don’t need to be too formal - previously I have
submitted my accounts to my accountant on a spreadsheet, but that’s too
error-prone for my liking.

 If I delete the transaction, would that put things back exactly as they
were before the transaction was entered?

I spent about 20 minutes last night trying to understand how £14 had
disappeared from the company bank account, clearly marked in the bank
account that the money went to PayPal, but there was no record of the
transaction on the company PayPal account.  I eventually found what had
happened - it had gone to my personal PayPal account. There’s no way I
would have spotted that error using spreadsheets. The double entry
accounting does make finding errors easier than using a spreadsheet.

I must admit, I am quite impressed with GnuCash.

Dave
-- 
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Kirkby Microwave Ltd,
drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk
https://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/
Telephone 01621-680100./ +44 1621 680100

Registered in England & Wales, company number 08914892.
Registered office:
Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT, United
Kingdom
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Re: [GNC] Is there a way to find date & time a transaction was entered?

[Murugan Muruganandam]

David

if you have to only change the Debit account, you click on the same and change 
it to your company paypal account from your personal account. you dont need to 
delete the transaction at all




Saludos Cordiales


Murugan


From: gnucash-user 
 on behalf of Dr. 
David Kirkby 
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2022 10:14 PM
To: GNU Cash User 
Subject: [GNC] Is there a way to find date & time a transaction was entered?

I have a transaction that I entered incorrectly. Is there a way to
determine the date & time that the transaction was entered? If so, I could
just load a backup file created just before I screwed up.

I know that in formal accounting one should not delete transactions, but
apply a reversing transaction. But I think that will just confuse me, and
my accountant more. I don’t need to be too formal - previously I have
submitted my accounts to my accountant on a spreadsheet, but that’s too
error-prone for my liking.

 If I delete the transaction, would that put things back exactly as they
were before the transaction was entered?

I spent about 20 minutes last night trying to understand how £14 had
disappeared from the company bank account, clearly marked in the bank
account that the money went to PayPal, but there was no record of the
transaction on the company PayPal account.  I eventually found what had
happened - it had gone to my personal PayPal account. There’s no way I
would have spotted that error using spreadsheets. The double entry
accounting does make finding errors easier than using a spreadsheet.

I must admit, I am quite impressed with GnuCash.

Dave
--
Dr. David Kirkby,
Kirkby Microwave Ltd,
drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk
https://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/
Telephone 01621-680100./ +44 1621 680100

Registered in England & Wales, company number 08914892.
Registered office:
Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT, United
Kingdom
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Re: [GNC] New User: initial help getting up and running

[Eric Chapman]

Hello, Jim,

Thanks for your response, and thank you to the others who responded! I 
appreciate it a lot!


Below in blue are my answers & comments.

Eric

On 12/18/22 15:53, Jim DeLaHunt wrote:

On 2022-12-18 12:20, Eric Chapman wrote:

Tell me, what gives you the impression that GnuCash "is for Intel Macs 
only"? Maybe we can reword whatever is giving you that false 
impression, to make it clearer.


The section on the "Supported Platforms" made me wonder if M1 Macs were 
supported (from the README.TXT file in the Mac .dmg package):


BTW, I do not yet have a Mac with M1 or M2 processor. Just thinking it 
may happen… If one has an M1 or M2 Mac, does he/she use the same .dmg 
file to install GnuCash that I referenced? If so, then I think the file 
name should be changed, and perhaps the info in the README.TXT file 
could be edited. If I already had had an M1 or M2 Mac when I started 
researching this, I might not have even looked any further and just 
taken those two things to mean it would not work on my M_ machine.


If it is the fact that the installer is named 
"Gnucash-Intel-4.12-1.dmg", that name does not indicate that Gnucash 
works _only_ on Macs with intel processors. The word "intel" has 
technical and historical meanings. It was compiled using the machine 
code of intel processors, but the magic of macOS allows M1 and M2 Macs 
to run the machine code of intel processors, in addition to the machine 
code of M1 and M2 processors.
(2) I read much of the README.TXT file. With the .dmg file I 
downloaded install everything I need or do the instructions under 
"Dependencies" and "Building and Installing" mean that I have to 
start with getting all that stuff on the Mac first?


The README.TXT comes from a history of software distributed as source 
code, which recipients must build first before being able to run.  But 
when you download "GnuCash for Mac", you are getting "precompiled 
binaries". That is, you get a Mac app which is all ready to go.  The 
README.TXT file does not really tell you how to install this.


GnuCash as distributed for Mac is a Mac app. Install it like you 
install other Mac apps: open the .dmg file, see a window containing an 
icon named something ".app", and drag that icon to your Applications 
folder. Then double-click on that Gnucash.app icon within your 
Applications folder.


(3) Is there a "New User Guide" somewhere on the web that can be 
accessed? Tutorials?


Then consider how familiar you feel with the basics of double-entry 
bookkeeping. GnuCash relies on double-entry, whereas other bookkeeping 
packages try to hide it. If you feel underprepared, read up on basic 
accounting a bit. Wikipedia's 
 
is a good place to start. Maybe get an tutorial book on accounting.


Do you work with an accountant?
Yes, but I do not work with a programmer, and I'm not one. I have no 
problem with the accounting, it's the programs that give me grief. I 
learned accounting about the time personal computers were showing up :) 
I never have learned programming.


Then run GnuCash, make a test book purely for experimentation, and 
start entering some of your typical transactions.  Try things. Fail. 
Learn. Then start over again with a new book for your real bookkeeping.


I am quite familiar with double entry accounting, but I have been using 
Quicken for Windows in a VMs for a long time. I've got some bookkeeping 
to do for a new non-profit, and I may move our personal stuff from 
Quicken over to whatever app I choose.

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Re: [GNC] Is there a way to find date & time a transaction was entered?

[Stephen M. Butler]

On 12/18/22 17:14, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:

I have a transaction that I entered incorrectly. Is there a way to
determine the date & time that the transaction was entered? If so, I could
just load a backup file created just before I screwed up.

It is easier to just correct the original transaction.

I know that in formal accounting one should not delete transactions, but
apply a reversing transaction. But I think that will just confuse me, and
my accountant more. I don’t need to be too formal - previously I have
submitted my accounts to my accountant on a spreadsheet, but that’s too
error-prone for my liking.


If you were doing this for somebody else then that would be the "proper" 
route.  But, if this is just personal or for your own business, then 
just erase the bad part and make the correction. It's digital and nobody 
will know you made a mistake (unless the look at all the log files that 
you failed to delete).



  If I delete the transaction, would that put things back exactly as they
were before the transaction was entered?


Yup, by why be that hard on yourself?


I spent about 20 minutes last night trying to understand how £14 had
disappeared from the company bank account, clearly marked in the bank
account that the money went to PayPal, but there was no record of the
transaction on the company PayPal account.  I eventually found what had
happened - it had gone to my personal PayPal account. There’s no way I
would have spotted that error using spreadsheets. The double entry
accounting does make finding errors easier than using a spreadsheet.


Personally, I would just go to that one line and change the account from 
paypal personal to paypal company.

I must admit, I am quite impressed with GnuCash.

Dave


Me too.  And I'm also lazy so I just do the minimum needed to fix my 
mistakes.


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Re: [GNC] Is there a way to find date & time a transaction was entered?

[Dr. David Kirkby]

On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 at 01:36, Stephen M. Butler <
stephen.m.butle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Personally, I would just go to that one line and change the account from
> paypal personal to paypal company.


It’s not quite as simple as that, but I am sure that I can sort it out.

 I realised that there was a problem with the transaction before entering
it, and made a note of the fact it had gone to my personal account.

I can not determine with 100% confidence if this was a business transaction
or personal one. I am 99% sure it was a genuine business expense, but I
could not prove it. The PayPal transaction in my personal account doesn’t
give any more information than postage. I can not prove it was posted to a
customer, although I suspect it was. So I am going to assume it was
personal purchase. The company owes me some money, so I just reduce the
amount owed.

I think everything is correct in the accounts, but I achieved it with two
transactions entered into GnuCash, but I could have done it in one.

>
> > I must admit, I am quite impressed with GnuCash.
> >
> > Dave
>
> Me too.  And I'm also lazy so I just do the minimum needed to fix my
> mistakes.


Yes, I like that idea.  😂

Dave


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[GNC] Roth IRA conversion

[Fred Tydeman]

For a USA person, when I move cash from a regular IRA (tax deferred
account) to a Roth IRA (tax free account), besides the movement of the
cash, I need to also somehow show that the cash moved is considered
income.  What should be the other side of the income pair?
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Re: [GNC] Is there a way to find date & time a transaction was entered?

[David Cousens]

You can generally edit an incorrect transaction and just change the details
which are incorrect including the account in whose register it appears if that
happened to be incorrect

There is no problem with deleting a transaction in GnuCash. The formal
accounting method is basically a hangover when rubbing an entry out in a pen and
paper book created a fairly ugly mess (and made it exceedingly obvious that the
books had been altered) and left no trail as to why the changes were made.  

This is easy for non business feature transaction. Just select the transaction
in the register then select Transaction->Delete from the menu. 

Where transactions are created using the business features it is a little more
complicated. Payments to invoices are linked to the invoice so you would need to
delete the payment transactions first,and unpost the invoice and then delete the
information content (customer,details and amount etc). An invoice or bill cannot
be deleted from the system, once created it will always exist,  but an existing
uposted invoice from which the information has been deleted can be reused by
refilling in the new information and then reposting it.

David Cousens

On Mon, 2022-12-19 at 01:14 +, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:
> I have a transaction that I entered incorrectly. Is there a way to
> determine the date & time that the transaction was entered? If so, I could
> just load a backup file created just before I screwed up.
> 
> I know that in formal accounting one should not delete transactions, but
> apply a reversing transaction. But I think that will just confuse me, and
> my accountant more. I don’t need to be too formal - previously I have
> submitted my accounts to my accountant on a spreadsheet, but that’s too
> error-prone for my liking.
> 
>  If I delete the transaction, would that put things back exactly as they
> were before the transaction was entered?
> 
> I spent about 20 minutes last night trying to understand how £14 had
> disappeared from the company bank account, clearly marked in the bank
> account that the money went to PayPal, but there was no record of the
> transaction on the company PayPal account.  I eventually found what had
> happened - it had gone to my personal PayPal account. There’s no way I
> would have spotted that error using spreadsheets. The double entry
> accounting does make finding errors easier than using a spreadsheet.
> 
> I must admit, I am quite impressed with GnuCash.
> 
> Dave

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Re: [GNC] Inaccurate information about GnuCash at https://www.capterra.com/

[Glenn Fowler]

Anyone can make an account a submit a review - even fakes.
Also, most FOSS users probably aren't on Capterra.

On Sun, Dec 18, 2022 at 10:19 PM Dr. David Kirkby <
drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk> wrote:

> I stumbled across this link, comparing Sage to GnuCash
>
>
> https://www.capterra.com/accounting-software/compare/125092-168740/GnuCash-vs-Sage-One-UK
>
> The list of features given for GnuCash is a small subset of the actual
> features. GnuCash scores 3/13, and Sage 13/13. See the two screenshots.
>
> I don’t know if it’s considered worth advising them of the serious errors
> in their feature list. I don’t know if GnuCash can do everything on the
> list, but it can certainly do more than 3.
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Roth IRA conversion

[Dale Alspach]

I do not know whether this is proper accounting or not, but I use an
artificial expense account "Conversion to Taxable". Any withdrawal X
dollars from an IRA or other pre-tax asset account gets some extra split
entries.
Credit IRA X
Credit Taxable Income IRA X
Debit Conversion to Taxable X
Debit post-tax account (bank, Roth,...) X

The only purpose is to expose the taxable income.

Dale

On Sun, Dec 18, 2022 at 9:25 PM Fred Tydeman  wrote:

> For a USA person, when I move cash from a regular IRA (tax deferred
> account) to a Roth IRA (tax free account), besides the movement of the
> cash, I need to also somehow show that the cash moved is considered
> income.  What should be the other side of the income pair?
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Re: [GNC] Inaccurate information about GnuCash at https://www.capterra.com/

[Dr. David Kirkby]

On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 at 03:53, Glenn Fowler  wrote:

> Anyone can make an account a submit a review - even fakes.
> Also, most FOSS users probably aren't on Capterra.
>

I have never come across the site before.

I guess that people looking for accounting software might look there, even
if they don’t know what open source is.

Dave
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