Re: [gmx-users] Adding ions

2009-11-18 Thread Andrea Muntean
The problem I was facing earlier: in the force field files (I am ussing
ffG53a6) the ions are named NA+, CL-, for example, so with capital letters.
Genion will add to the topology the ions named by default Na or Cl, unless
you use the options -pname and/or -nname to name the ions. I do so and I
have no mismatch of ionsname in different files. I hope this helps.

Regards
Andrea

2009/11/17 Arden Perkins 

> I am an undergraduate student and I am still learning to use GROMACS. When
> I add my ions to the solution (using genion) by the procedure described in
> the funnel web spider tutorial the .gro and .top files do not match. I tried
> subtracting solvent molecules but they still dont match and I can't
> continue. What am I doing wrong?
>
> Thanks!
>
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[gmx-users] grompp error! why?

2009-11-18 Thread qing yang
Dear gmx-users,

I am try to simulate the protein-drug, and have used drg.itp from prodrg
server2,5(beta). I have also got pro.top from pdb2gmx programs. But when I
issue a grompp command for minimization,grompp gives a fatal error.

The error is:

  Error 0 [file "unk.itp",line 4]

Not enough parameters

…..

Fatal error:

Bonded/nonbonded atom type '1' not found!

My pro.top file:

   #include “ffg43a1.itp”

   #include “unk.itp”

   [molecules]

   Protein1

   UNK 1

   SOL  109324

My drg.itp file:

  [ atoms ]
;   nr  type  resnr resid  atom  cgnr   charge mass
 1   CR1 1  UNK CBF 10.003  12.0110
 2HC 1  UNK HBF 10.035   1.0080
   ...
[ bonds ]
; ai  aj  fuc0, c1, ...
   1   2   20.109  1230.00.109  1230.0 ;   CBF  HBF
   1   3   20.139  1080.00.139  1080.0 ;   CBF  CBG
.
[ pairs ]
; ai  aj  fuc0, c1, ...
   1   6   1   ;   CBF  NBK
   1   9   1   ;   CBF  CBI
   .
[ angles ]
; ai  aj  ak  fuc0, c1, ...
   2   1   3   2120.0   505.0120.0   505.0 ;
 HBF  CBF  CBG
   2   1  13   2120.0   505.0120.0   505.0 ;
 HBF  CBF  CBE
   
[ dihedrals ]
; ai  aj  ak  al  fuc0, c1, m, ...
  1  13 3   2   2  0.0  167.40.0  167.4   ; imp
 CBF  CBE  CBG  HBF
  3 1   5   4   2  0.0  167.40.0  167.4   ; imp
 CBG  CBF  CBH  HBG
Maybe someone knows what the problem might be?How can I deal with this
problem?
Thanks for your help!
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Re: [gmx-users] Tabulated non-bonded potential

2009-11-18 Thread ms
Mark Abraham ha scritto:
> ms wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to understand a basic question about the usage of tabulated
>> potential for non-bonded interaction. If I use an arbitrary function and
>> I write a table for it, is the functional shape then applied to *all* my
>> atoms, or can I specify which ones use the tabulated potential -and how?
> 
> Use energygrp_table in the .mdp file. See manual section 7.3


*slap on my head*
Thanks, I missed it. I was looking in the Chapters 4 and 5 and finding
nothing I was confused.

m.

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Re: [gmx-users] grompp error! why?

2009-11-18 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



qing yang wrote:

Dear gmx-users,

I am try to simulate the protein-drug, and have used drg.itp from prodrg 
server2,5(beta). I have also got pro.top from pdb2gmx programs. But when 


PRODRG topologies are often unsatisfactory with respect to charges and charge 
groups assigned.  Looking at the two relevant atom entries you've posted below, 
this is almost certainly the case.  Please see the following:


http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/How-tos/Parameterization

None of that is related specifically to your error, but I figured I should tell 
you before you waste your time simulating potentially unreliable parameters.



I issue a grompp command for minimization,grompp gives a fatal error.

The error is:

  Error 0 [file "unk.itp",line 4]

Not enough parameters



So you've pasted some of your topology below, but what exactly is on line 4?


…..

Fatal error:

Bonded/nonbonded atom type '1' not found!


Is this a separate error?  Please post all relevant output, otherwise it gets 
confusing.




My pro.top file:



This can't be right.  You said pro.top came from pdb2gmx, so there should be 
substantially more in it.  This is not to say that you need to post the entirety 
of your topology, but I doubt what you've shown is correct.  This makes it hard 
to know if you've placed your #include statements appropriately, etc.



   #include “ffg43a1.itp”

   #include “unk.itp”

   [molecules]

   Protein1

   UNK 1

   SOL  109324

My drg.itp file:


This snapshot does not provide any really useful information.  Which of these 
lines, if any, is line 4, where grompp starts complaining?  Shouldn't there be a 
[moleculetype] directive at the top of your .itp file, at the very least? 
Providing accurate information will get you to a solution a lot faster :)


-Justin



  [ atoms ]
;   nr  type  resnr resid  atom  cgnr   charge mass
 1   CR1 1  UNK CBF 10.003  12.0110   
 2HC 1  UNK HBF 10.035   1.0080   
   ...

[ bonds ]
; ai  aj  fuc0, c1, ...
   1   2   20.109  1230.00.109  1230.0 ;   CBF  HBF   
   1   3   20.139  1080.00.139  1080.0 ;   CBF  CBG   
.

[ pairs ]
; ai  aj  fuc0, c1, ...
   1   6   1   ;   CBF  NBK   
   1   9   1   ;   CBF  CBI   
   .

[ angles ]
; ai  aj  ak  fuc0, c1, ...
   2   1   3   2120.0   505.0120.0   505.0 ;  
 HBF  CBF  CBG   
   2   1  13   2120.0   505.0120.0   505.0 ;  
 HBF  CBF  CBE   
   

[ dihedrals ]
; ai  aj  ak  al  fuc0, c1, m, ...
  1  13 3   2   2  0.0  167.40.0  167.4   ; imp  
 CBF  CBE  CBG  HBF   
  3 1   5   4   2  0.0  167.40.0  167.4   ; imp  
 CBG  CBF  CBH  HBG   

Maybe someone knows what the problem might be?How can I deal with this 
problem?

Thanks for your help!



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Re: [gmx-users] Decreasing MSD of ligand ?

2009-11-18 Thread Omer Markovitch
Is the decrease occurs in the long times? Omer.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 21:08, Chih-Ying Lin  wrote:

>
>
>
> HI MSD = mean square displacement diffusion coefficient = d/dt (MSD) I
> simulate the protein and ligand system and then calculate the MSD of the
> ligand. Then, i drew the plot of the time evolution of the MSD. But the the
> MSD decreases as time for some period. I see nothing about my codings. Would
> you please tell me about any possible errors i made? Thank you Lin
>
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[gmx-users] vmd does not display the molecule

2009-11-18 Thread leila karami
Hi

I am trying to open a gromacs .gro file with VMD but
VMD gives the following message upon opening and does not display the
molecule : [ error reading box , unexpected  end-of-file reached ]

I checked number of atoms specified on the second line of the gro file
and number of atoms really present in the file. It is ok. I also Checked
that the box is correctly described at the last line of my file.

please guied me
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Re: [gmx-users] vmd does not display the molecule

2009-11-18 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



leila karami wrote:

Hi
 
I am trying to open a gromacs .gro file with VMD but 
VMD gives the following message upon opening and does not display the 
molecule : [ error reading box , unexpected  end-of-file reached ]
 
I checked number of atoms specified on the second line of the gro file 
and number of atoms really present in the file. It is ok. I also Checked 
that the box is correctly described at the last line of my file.
 


Well, if everything is right then you wouldn't have an error :)  In any case, 
you haven't provided enough tangible evidence to diagnose the issue.  If you can 
post the first few and last few lines of the .gro file (i.e. "head conf.gro" and 
"tail conf.gro"), maybe someone can spot the problem.  Also, search the VMD 
mailing list, since this error has been posted there before.


-Justin

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[gmx-users] vmd does not display the molecule

2009-11-18 Thread leila karami
dear justin

I checked the VMD mailing list but that does not help me.

first few lines of my gro file :

Protein in water
23136
1GLY  N1   1.655   4.898   3.866 -0.3222 -0.2420  0.1437
1GLY CA2   1.677   4.774   3.793  0.0134 -0.2201  0.2050
1GLYHA13   1.579   4.735   3.767  0.5541 -1.5676  0.1443
1GLYHA24   1.732   4.708   3.859  1.2946  2.0442  1.5391
1GLY  C5   1.760   4.809   3.671  0.1350 -0.3085  0.2633
1GLY  O6   1.732   4.904   3.598  0.1431 -0.4147  0.1209
2SER  N7   1.867   4.733   3.644  0.3115 -0.0506  0.2274
2SER  H8   1.898   4.660   3.706 -1.4080 -0.0311  1.1663
2SER CA9   1.924   4.738   3.511 -0.9271  0.2649 -0.3082
2SER HA   10   1.845   4.759   3.439 -0.6670 -0.9431 -0.9674


last few lines of my gro file :

 7208Na  Na23127   1.251   2.111   2.829  0.0512 -0.5390  0.2230
 7209Na  Na23128   0.220   2.894   0.285 -0.0656  0.2288 -0.0477
 7210Na  Na23129   2.803   0.503   5.080  0.0192 -0.1246  0.0370
 7211Na  Na23130   3.718   2.036   1.304 -0.4850 -0.3162  0.4396
 7212Na  Na23131   2.322   3.787   2.485  0.2661  0.1734  0.5773
 7213Na  Na23132   3.592   5.392   5.571  0.4515  0.6877 -0.3284
 7214Na  Na23133   4.708   2.478   0.651 -0.1105  0.1018 -0.4275
 7215Na  Na23134   4.612   4.964   0.340  0.2845 -0.3202  0.0326
 7216Na  Na23135   5.438   6.245   5.071 -0.0165  0.1414 -0.2011
 7217Na  Na23136   5.855   1.272   5.027 -0.3189  0.4687 -0.1455
   6.21600   6.27700   6.26300
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Re: [gmx-users] grompp error! why?

2009-11-18 Thread Erik Marklund
You include unk.itp but show us drg.itp. Perhaps you're looking at or 
using the wrong file.


/Erik

qing yang skrev:


Dear gmx-users,

I am try to simulate the protein-drug, and have used drg.itp from 
prodrg server2,5(beta). I have also got pro.top from pdb2gmx programs. 
But when I issue a grompp command for minimization,grompp gives a 
fatal error.


The error is:

Error 0 [file "unk.itp",line 4]

Not enough parameters

…..

Fatal error:

Bonded/nonbonded atom type '1' not found!

My pro.top file:

#include “ffg43a1.itp”

#include “unk.itp”

[molecules]

Protein 1

UNK 1

SOL 109324

My drg.itp file:

[ atoms ]
; nr type resnr resid atom cgnr charge mass
1 CR1 1 UNK CBF 1 0.003 12.0110
2 HC 1 UNK HBF 1 0.035 1.0080
...
[ bonds ]
; ai aj fu c0, c1, ...
1 2 2 0.109 1230.0 0.109 1230.0 ; CBF HBF
1 3 2 0.139 1080.0 0.139 1080.0 ; CBF CBG
.
[ pairs ]
; ai aj fu c0, c1, ...
1 6 1 ; CBF NBK
1 9 1 ; CBF CBI
.
[ angles ]
; ai aj ak fu c0, c1, ...
2 1 3 2 120.0 505.0 120.0 505.0 ; HBF CBF CBG
2 1 13 2 120.0 505.0 120.0 505.0 ; HBF CBF CBE

[ dihedrals ]
; ai aj ak al fu c0, c1, m, ...
1 13 3 2 2 0.0 167.4 0.0 167.4 ; imp CBF CBE CBG HBF
3 1 5 4 2 0.0 167.4 0.0 167.4 ; imp CBG CBF CBH HBG

Maybe someone knows what the problem might be?How can I deal with this 
problem?

Thanks for your help!



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Re: [gmx-users] vmd does not display the molecule

2009-11-18 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



leila karami wrote:

dear justin
 
I checked the VMD mailing list but that does not help me.
 
first few lines of my gro file :
 


Well, the structure of the .gro file appears intact.  Somewhere along the way, 
VMD thinks it's hitting the end of the file.  Have you manipulated or edited the 
file in any way?  Opened it using some weird Windows software that saved some 
hidden characters or something?  If so, you can run it through dos2unix to 
correct that.


As an aside, what kind of model are you using?  You have explicit HA atoms on 
the CA of GLY (OPLS? AMBER?), but no N-terminal protonation.  That would seem to 
be a completely fictitious and unreasonable model for a standard N-terminal 
glycine.  Not related to your problem, but I seem to be on a roll of free advice 
this morning :)


-Justin


Protein in water
23136
1GLY  N1   1.655   4.898   3.866 -0.3222 -0.2420  0.1437
1GLY CA2   1.677   4.774   3.793  0.0134 -0.2201  0.2050
1GLYHA13   1.579   4.735   3.767  0.5541 -1.5676  0.1443
1GLYHA24   1.732   4.708   3.859  1.2946  2.0442  1.5391
1GLY  C5   1.760   4.809   3.671  0.1350 -0.3085  0.2633
1GLY  O6   1.732   4.904   3.598  0.1431 -0.4147  0.1209
2SER  N7   1.867   4.733   3.644  0.3115 -0.0506  0.2274
2SER  H8   1.898   4.660   3.706 -1.4080 -0.0311  1.1663
2SER CA9   1.924   4.738   3.511 -0.9271  0.2649 -0.3082
2SER HA   10   1.845   4.759   3.439 -0.6670 -0.9431 -0.9674
 
 
last few lines of my gro file :
 
 7208Na  Na23127   1.251   2.111   2.829  0.0512 -0.5390  0.2230

 7209Na  Na23128   0.220   2.894   0.285 -0.0656  0.2288 -0.0477
 7210Na  Na23129   2.803   0.503   5.080  0.0192 -0.1246  0.0370
 7211Na  Na23130   3.718   2.036   1.304 -0.4850 -0.3162  0.4396
 7212Na  Na23131   2.322   3.787   2.485  0.2661  0.1734  0.5773
 7213Na  Na23132   3.592   5.392   5.571  0.4515  0.6877 -0.3284
 7214Na  Na23133   4.708   2.478   0.651 -0.1105  0.1018 -0.4275
 7215Na  Na23134   4.612   4.964   0.340  0.2845 -0.3202  0.0326
 7216Na  Na23135   5.438   6.245   5.071 -0.0165  0.1414 -0.2011
 7217Na  Na23136   5.855   1.272   5.027 -0.3189  0.4687 -0.1455
   6.21600   6.27700   6.26300



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Re: [gmx-users] grompp error! why?

2009-11-18 Thread Terry
2009/11/18 qing yang 

> Dear gmx-users,
>
> I am try to simulate the protein-drug, and have used drg.itp from prodrg
> server2,5(beta). I have also got pro.top from pdb2gmx programs. But when I
> issue a grompp command for minimization,grompp gives a fatal error.
>
> The error is:
>
>   Error 0 [file "unk.itp",line 4]
>
> Not enough parameters
>
> …..
>
> Fatal error:
>
> Bonded/nonbonded atom type '1' not found!
>
> My pro.top file:
>
>#include “ffg43a1.itp”
>
>
Did you input this line with keyboard?
Try  #include "ffG43a1.itp"

Terry

   #include “unk.itp”
>
>[molecules]
>
>Protein1
>
>UNK 1
>
>SOL  109324
>
> My drg.itp file:
>
>   [ atoms ]
> ;   nr  type  resnr resid  atom  cgnr   charge mass
>  1   CR1 1  UNK CBF 10.003  12.0110
>  2HC 1  UNK HBF 10.035   1.0080
>...
> [ bonds ]
> ; ai  aj  fuc0, c1, ...
>1   2   20.109  1230.00.109  1230.0 ;   CBF  HBF
>1   3   20.139  1080.00.139  1080.0 ;   CBF  CBG
> .
> [ pairs ]
> ; ai  aj  fuc0, c1, ...
>1   6   1   ;   CBF  NBK
>1   9   1   ;   CBF  CBI
>.
> [ angles ]
> ; ai  aj  ak  fuc0, c1, ...
>2   1   3   2120.0   505.0120.0   505.0 ;
>  HBF  CBF  CBG
>2   1  13   2120.0   505.0120.0   505.0 ;
>  HBF  CBF  CBE
>
> [ dihedrals ]
> ; ai  aj  ak  al  fuc0, c1, m, ...
>   1  13 3   2   2  0.0  167.40.0  167.4   ; imp
>  CBF  CBE  CBG  HBF
>   3 1   5   4   2  0.0  167.40.0  167.4   ; imp
>  CBG  CBF  CBH  HBG
> Maybe someone knows what the problem might be?How can I deal with this
> problem?
> Thanks for your help!
>
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Re: [gmx-users] vmd does not display the molecule

2009-11-18 Thread Nicolas Sapay

Hello,

Did you try to just add a blank line at the end of the file? (after the 
box definition). Sometimes, that works for me. Otherwise, it could a 
problem of bad end-of-line character. That may happen if you have edited 
the file on Windows and try to visualize it on Linux.


Nicolas

leila karami a écrit :

Hi
 
I am trying to open a gromacs .gro file with VMD but 
VMD gives the following message upon opening and does not display the 
molecule : [ error reading box , unexpected  end-of-file reached ]
 
I checked number of atoms specified on the second line of the gro file 
and number of atoms really present in the file. It is ok. I also 
Checked that the box is correctly described at the last line of my file.
 
please guied me
 
 
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[gmx-users] vmd does not display the molecule

2009-11-18 Thread leila karami
dear justin

I transfer gro files from linux to windows through SSH secure shell program.
I added 10 Na ions by genion command but in gro file following case is
appeared:

7208Na  Na23127   1.533   2.176   2.687  0.1841 -0.1829 -0.2991
 7209Na  Na23128   0.179   2.821   0.336 -0.2683 -0.1820  0.5803
 7210Na  Na23129   2.288   0.458   4.819 -0.1171  0.7612 -0.4903
 7211Na  Na23130   3.640   1.815   1.138 -0.1083 -0.1591  0.0485
 7212Na  Na23131   2.183   3.845   1.964 -0.0409 -0.1492  0.6725
 7213Na  Na23132   3.356   5.216   5.834 -0.2686  0.1059 -0.1660
 7214Na  Na23133   4.304   2.510   0.809 -0.2994  0.3939  0.7264
 7215Na  Na23134   4.609   4.931   0.535 -0.2609  0.1315 -0.1767
 7216Na  Na23135   5.553   6.022   5.152  0.3516 -0.2021  0.2022
 7217Na  Na23136   5.865   1.114   5.034  0.0442  0.0272  0.3437
*7218ClCl231370.000   0.000   0.000  0.   0. 0.
*   6.15463   6.21503   6.20117

I deleted line of7218ClCl231370.000   0.000
0.000  0.   0. 0.

in top file following case is appeared:
[ molecules ]
; Compound#mols
Protein_A   1
Protein_B   1
SOL 7117
Na  10
Cl  0

I deleted last line.

I am using amber03 force field in gromacs program to study interaction of
pr-dna.
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Re: [gmx-users] vmd does not display the molecule

2009-11-18 Thread Erik Marklund

leila karami skrev:

dear justin
 
I transfer gro files from linux to windows through SSH secure shell 
program. I added 10 Na ions by genion command but in gro file 
following case is appeared:
 
7208Na  Na23127   1.533   2.176   2.687  0.1841 -0.1829 -0.2991

 7209Na  Na23128   0.179   2.821   0.336 -0.2683 -0.1820  0.5803
 7210Na  Na23129   2.288   0.458   4.819 -0.1171  0.7612 -0.4903
 7211Na  Na23130   3.640   1.815   1.138 -0.1083 -0.1591  0.0485
 7212Na  Na23131   2.183   3.845   1.964 -0.0409 -0.1492  0.6725
 7213Na  Na23132   3.356   5.216   5.834 -0.2686  0.1059 -0.1660
 7214Na  Na23133   4.304   2.510   0.809 -0.2994  0.3939  0.7264
 7215Na  Na23134   4.609   4.931   0.535 -0.2609  0.1315 -0.1767
 7216Na  Na23135   5.553   6.022   5.152  0.3516 -0.2021  0.2022
 7217Na  Na23136   5.865   1.114   5.034  0.0442  0.0272  0.3437
*7218ClCl231370.000   0.000   0.000  0.   0. 0.
*   6.15463   6.21503   6.20117
 
I deleted line of7218ClCl231370.000   0.000   
0.000  0.   0. 0.
 
in top file following case is appeared: 
[ molecules ]

; Compound#mols
Protein_A   1
Protein_B   1
SOL 7117
Na  10
Cl  0
 
I deleted last line.
 
I am using amber03 force field in gromacs program to study interaction 
of pr-dna.
Not sure if it's related, but your topology doesn't match the gro-file. 
0 Cl in top, but 1 in gro.


/Erik

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Re: [gmx-users] vmd does not display the molecule

2009-11-18 Thread Erik Marklund

Erik Marklund skrev:

leila karami skrev:

dear justin
 
I transfer gro files from linux to windows through SSH secure shell 
program. I added 10 Na ions by genion command but in gro file 
following case is appeared:
 
7208Na  Na23127   1.533   2.176   2.687  0.1841 -0.1829 -0.2991

 7209Na  Na23128   0.179   2.821   0.336 -0.2683 -0.1820  0.5803
 7210Na  Na23129   2.288   0.458   4.819 -0.1171  0.7612 -0.4903
 7211Na  Na23130   3.640   1.815   1.138 -0.1083 -0.1591  0.0485
 7212Na  Na23131   2.183   3.845   1.964 -0.0409 -0.1492  0.6725
 7213Na  Na23132   3.356   5.216   5.834 -0.2686  0.1059 -0.1660
 7214Na  Na23133   4.304   2.510   0.809 -0.2994  0.3939  0.7264
 7215Na  Na23134   4.609   4.931   0.535 -0.2609  0.1315 -0.1767
 7216Na  Na23135   5.553   6.022   5.152  0.3516 -0.2021  0.2022
 7217Na  Na23136   5.865   1.114   5.034  0.0442  0.0272  0.3437
*7218ClCl231370.000   0.000   0.000  0.   0. 0.
*   6.15463   6.21503   6.20117
 
I deleted line of7218ClCl231370.000   0.000   
0.000  0.   0. 0.
 
in top file following case is appeared: [ molecules ]

; Compound#mols
Protein_A   1
Protein_B   1
SOL 7117
Na  10
Cl  0
 
I deleted last line.
 
I am using amber03 force field in gromacs program to study 
interaction of pr-dna.
Not sure if it's related, but your topology doesn't match the 
gro-file. 0 Cl in top, but 1 in gro.


/Erik
Ignore my previous email. I missed that you deleted the Cl-related 
lines. So, did VMD display your system correctly before removing those 
lines?


/Erik

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Re: [gmx-users] vmd does not display the molecule

2009-11-18 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



leila karami wrote:

dear justin
 
I transfer gro files from linux to windows through SSH secure shell 
program. I added 10 Na ions by genion command but in gro file following 
case is appeared:
 


If an unrequested Cl is being added, then that is worth investigating.  What was 
your *exact* genion command?


Does the VMD error result in the edited file, or the one that has the additional 
Cl atom?



7208Na  Na23127   1.533   2.176   2.687  0.1841 -0.1829 -0.2991
 7209Na  Na23128   0.179   2.821   0.336 -0.2683 -0.1820  0.5803
 7210Na  Na23129   2.288   0.458   4.819 -0.1171  0.7612 -0.4903
 7211Na  Na23130   3.640   1.815   1.138 -0.1083 -0.1591  0.0485
 7212Na  Na23131   2.183   3.845   1.964 -0.0409 -0.1492  0.6725
 7213Na  Na23132   3.356   5.216   5.834 -0.2686  0.1059 -0.1660
 7214Na  Na23133   4.304   2.510   0.809 -0.2994  0.3939  0.7264
 7215Na  Na23134   4.609   4.931   0.535 -0.2609  0.1315 -0.1767
 7216Na  Na23135   5.553   6.022   5.152  0.3516 -0.2021  0.2022
 7217Na  Na23136   5.865   1.114   5.034  0.0442  0.0272  0.3437
*7218ClCl231370.000   0.000   0.000  0.   0. 0.
*   6.15463   6.21503   6.20117
 
I deleted line of7218ClCl231370.000   0.000   
0.000  0.   0. 0.
 
in top file following case is appeared: 
[ molecules ]

; Compound#mols
Protein_A   1
Protein_B   1
SOL 7117
Na  10
Cl  0
 
I deleted last line.
 
I am using amber03 force field in gromacs program to study interaction 
of pr-dna.




Then I know that your model is wrong.  You have no N-terminal protonation 
whatsoever!  Think about biology before plowing ahead with computer programs 
that are only capable of doing what you tell them.  Under AMBER, terminal 
residues require a prefix, i.e. NGLY (and CXXX for the C-terminal residues). 
This has been stated many times across this list, and is clearly in the ffamber 
documentation.  Did you perhaps use the -missing flag with pdb2gmx when you got 
an error message?


Perhaps this extra, unwanted, Cl atom is being added by genion because you have 
some bizarre fractional charge on your molecule?


-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] Urea Topology

2009-11-18 Thread TJ Piggot
They are published in the paper by smith et al. (J. Phys. Chem. B 2004, 
108, 1065-1071) and have also been posted previously on this mailing list 
(both of which can be found through a simple search). Please note that the 
parameters posted on the mailing list are not quite correct as they have 
they have the force constant for the impropers in kJ/mol/deg^2 not in 
kJ/mol/rad^2.


Cheers

Tom

--On Tuesday, November 17, 2009 07:49:01 -0500 "Justin A. Lemkul" 
 wrote:





karan syal wrote:

Dear All,

I am looking for urea topology* (smith et al) *for gromos 96 force
field. I tried searching through user contributions in gromacs site but
couldnt find it. Is it possible for anyone who has already used it to
mail me their toplogy file?



If the parameters are published, you should probably contact the
corresponding author to see if they will share.

-Justin

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[gmx-users] pull code with defined negative relative displacements

2009-11-18 Thread Chris Neale

Hi Berk,

I have done the tests and you are entirely correct. I have one further  
question: If I simply want to pull to a relative displacement of -1.0  
nm, is there any reason to prefer one of these methods, or are they  
just overlapping implementations of different methods that also have  
unique abilities given other settings?


To summarize my tests, pull_geometry=direction can indeed pull to negative  
displacements and there is no bimodal behaviour. My misunderstanding  
derived from the fact that


pull_geometry= direction
pull_init1   = 1.0
pull_vec1= 0 0 1

gave the forces as I expected them, while

pull_vec1= 0 0 -1

reports the negative of the force that I expected. Since the force as  
output is probably applied after multiplication by pull_vec1, it might  
be more intuitive to simply output the force after it is multiplied by  
pull_vec1 such that what is output is the actual applied force. But  
then again there are probably some good reasons why it is output the  
way that it is.


I have included probability distribution plots for the sampling along z for the 
tests below at:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/chrisneale_2007/X10.png  (1.0 nm 
displacement test)
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/chrisneale_2007/X005.png  (0.05 nm 
displacement test)
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/chrisneale_2007/X35.png  (3.5 nm 
displacement test)

Thank you for all of your assistance,
Chris.

#
Summary for attempts to pull to -1.0:

### Pulls to -1

pull_geometry= position
pull_init1   = 0 0 -1
pull_vec1= 0 0 0

pull_geometry= direction
pull_init1   = -1.0
pull_vec1= 0 0 1

pull_geometry= direction
pull_init1   = 1.0
pull_vec1= 0 0 -1

### Pulls to +1

pull_geometry= direction
pull_init1   = 1.0
pull_vec1= 0 0 1

#
Detailed results:

pull_geometry= position
pull_init1   = 0 0 -1
pull_vec1= 0 0 0

$ tail coord.xvg
98.2000 5.03064 -0.96114
98.4000 5.02906 -0.968864
98.6000 5.02755 -1.0196
98.8000 5.02577 -0.971355
99. 5.02408 -0.948518
99.2000 5.02289 -0.973627
99.4000 5.0227  -0.977471
99.6000 5.02293 -0.965711
99.8000 5.0242  -1.01475
100.5.0251  -1.03216

$ tail force.xvg
98.2000 -19.4299
98.4000 -15.568
98.6000 9.8014
98.8000 -14.3227
99. -25.741
99.2000 -13.1865
99.4000 -11.2644
99.6000 -17.1443
99.8000 7.37747
100.16.0813



pull_geometry= direction
pull_init1   = 1.0
pull_vec1= 0 0 1

$ tail coord.xvg
98.2000 5.06691 1.09005
98.4000 5.06773 1.04829
98.6000 5.06842 1.02481
98.8000 5.06934 1.02874
99. 5.07061 0.995157
99.2000 5.07164 0.990872
99.4000 5.07205 1.00651
99.6000 5.07256 1.02346
99.8000 5.07107 0.986439
100.5.06931 1.03009

$ tail force.xvg
98.2000 -45.0273
98.4000 -24.1432
98.6000 -12.4043
98.8000 -14.3716
99. 2.42147
99.2000 4.56404
99.4000 -3.25742
99.6000 -11.7324
99.8000 6.78027
100.-15.0443

### where it does start at -1.0

$ grep -v '[#|@]' coord.xvg |head
0.  5.05992 -1.09968
0.2000  5.05948 -0.473992
0.4000  5.05982 0.43101
0.6000  5.06017 0.77986
0.8000  5.0609  0.78875
1.  5.06113 0.75552
1.2000  5.06151 0.750633
1.4000  5.06086 0.79958
1.6000  5.05976 0.821069
1.8000  5.05811 0.950296

###

pull_geometry= direction
pull_init1   = -1.0
pull_vec1= 0 0 1

$ tail -n 30 coord.xvg|head -n 10
94.2000 5.04636 -1.00959
94.4000 5.04605 -1.09414
94.6000 5.04503 -1.09134
94.8000 5.0431  -1.10409
95. 5.04174 -1.05292
95.2000 5.04012 -1.03421
95.4000 5.03944 -1.05723
95.6000 5.03981 -1.00803
95.8000 5.04072 -1.01506
96. 5.04055 -0.980655

$ tail -n 30 force.xvg|head -n 10
94.2000 4.79288
94.4000 47.0722
94.6000 45.6695
94.8000 52.0426
95. 26.4623
95.2000 17.107
95.4000 28.6127
95.6000 4.0165
95.8000 7.52866
96. -9.67265

###

pull_geometry= direction
pull_init1   = 1.0
pull_vec1= 0 0 -1

$ tail coord.xvg
98.2000 5.01781 -1.04195
98.4000 5.01766 -0.988034
98.6000 5.01789 -0.963644
98.8000 5.0185  -0.980899
99. 5.01958 -0.917222
99.2000 5.021   -1.00548
99.4000 5.02016 -0.970434
99.6000 5.01848 -1.01137
99.8000 5.01723 -0.950541
100.5.01743 -1.01916

$ tail force.xvg
98.2000 -20.9744
98.4000 5.98316
98.6000 18.1779
98.8000 9.55039
99. 41.3892
99.2000 -2.73847
99.4000 14.7832
99.6000 -5.68352
99.8000 24.7297
100.-9.58189

#
#
#
#

Summary for attempts to pull to -0.1:

### Pulls to -0.1

pull_geometry= position
pull_init1   = 0 0 -0.1
pull_vec1

RE: [gmx-users] pull code with defined negative relative displacements

2009-11-18 Thread Berk Hess

Hi,

With only 1 pull dimension active (through pull_dims) all three geometries are 
equivalent.
In 2 or 3D there are all different.

With pull_geometry=direction the pull force is the force working along the 
direction vector.
So in general you can't incorporate the direction (only sign in your case) into 
the force,
unless you would print the whole vector.

Berk

> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:12:49 -0500
> From: chris.ne...@utoronto.ca
> To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
> Subject: [gmx-users] pull code with defined negative relative displacements
> 
> Hi Berk,
> 
> I have done the tests and you are entirely correct. I have one further  
> question: If I simply want to pull to a relative displacement of -1.0  
> nm, is there any reason to prefer one of these methods, or are they  
> just overlapping implementations of different methods that also have  
> unique abilities given other settings?
> 
> To summarize my tests, pull_geometry=direction can indeed pull to negative  
> displacements and there is no bimodal behaviour. My misunderstanding  
> derived from the fact that
> 
> pull_geometry= direction
> pull_init1   = 1.0
> pull_vec1= 0 0 1
> 
> gave the forces as I expected them, while
> 
> pull_vec1= 0 0 -1
> 
> reports the negative of the force that I expected. Since the force as  
> output is probably applied after multiplication by pull_vec1, it might  
> be more intuitive to simply output the force after it is multiplied by  
> pull_vec1 such that what is output is the actual applied force. But  
> then again there are probably some good reasons why it is output the  
> way that it is.
> 
> I have included probability distribution plots for the sampling along z for 
> the tests below at:
> http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/chrisneale_2007/X10.png  (1.0 nm 
> displacement test)
> http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/chrisneale_2007/X005.png  (0.05 nm 
> displacement test)
> http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/chrisneale_2007/X35.png  (3.5 nm 
> displacement test)
> 
> Thank you for all of your assistance,
> Chris.
>  
> #
> Summary for attempts to pull to -1.0:
> 
> ### Pulls to -1
> 
> pull_geometry= position
> pull_init1   = 0 0 -1
> pull_vec1= 0 0 0
> 
> pull_geometry= direction
> pull_init1   = -1.0
> pull_vec1= 0 0 1
> 
> pull_geometry= direction
> pull_init1   = 1.0
> pull_vec1= 0 0 -1
> 
> ### Pulls to +1
> 
> pull_geometry= direction
> pull_init1   = 1.0
> pull_vec1= 0 0 1
> 
> #
> Detailed results:
> 
> pull_geometry= position
> pull_init1   = 0 0 -1
> pull_vec1= 0 0 0
> 
> $ tail coord.xvg
> 98.2000   5.03064 -0.96114
> 98.4000   5.02906 -0.968864
> 98.6000   5.02755 -1.0196
> 98.8000   5.02577 -0.971355
> 99.   5.02408 -0.948518
> 99.2000   5.02289 -0.973627
> 99.4000   5.0227  -0.977471
> 99.6000   5.02293 -0.965711
> 99.8000   5.0242  -1.01475
> 100.  5.0251  -1.03216
> 
> $ tail force.xvg
> 98.2000   -19.4299
> 98.4000   -15.568
> 98.6000   9.8014
> 98.8000   -14.3227
> 99.   -25.741
> 99.2000   -13.1865
> 99.4000   -11.2644
> 99.6000   -17.1443
> 99.8000   7.37747
> 100.  16.0813
> 
> 
> 
> pull_geometry= direction
> pull_init1   = 1.0
> pull_vec1= 0 0 1
> 
> $ tail coord.xvg
> 98.2000   5.06691 1.09005
> 98.4000   5.06773 1.04829
> 98.6000   5.06842 1.02481
> 98.8000   5.06934 1.02874
> 99.   5.07061 0.995157
> 99.2000   5.07164 0.990872
> 99.4000   5.07205 1.00651
> 99.6000   5.07256 1.02346
> 99.8000   5.07107 0.986439
> 100.  5.06931 1.03009
> 
> $ tail force.xvg
> 98.2000   -45.0273
> 98.4000   -24.1432
> 98.6000   -12.4043
> 98.8000   -14.3716
> 99.   2.42147
> 99.2000   4.56404
> 99.4000   -3.25742
> 99.6000   -11.7324
> 99.8000   6.78027
> 100.  -15.0443
> 
> ### where it does start at -1.0
> 
> $ grep -v '[#|@]' coord.xvg |head
> 0.5.05992 -1.09968
> 0.20005.05948 -0.473992
> 0.40005.05982 0.43101
> 0.60005.06017 0.77986
> 0.80005.0609  0.78875
> 1.5.06113 0.75552
> 1.20005.06151 0.750633
> 1.40005.06086 0.79958
> 1.60005.05976 0.821069
> 1.80005.05811 0.950296
> 
> ###
> 
> pull_geometry= direction
> pull_init1   = -1.0
> pull_vec1= 0 0 1
> 
> $ tail -n 30 coord.xvg|head -n 10
> 94.2000   5.04636 -1.00959
> 94.4000   5.04605 -1.09414
> 94.6000   5.04503 -1.09134
> 94.8000   5.0431  -1.10409
> 95.   5.04174 -1.05292
> 95.2000   5.

[gmx-users] constant_force pulling

2009-11-18 Thread Thomas Schlesier

Hi all,
i tried out the constant_force pulling, to simulate a force clamp 
pulling experiment. But there are now some questions. But first describe 
the system and so on...
The system consists of two molecules which can bind through hydrogen 
bonds with no water. Each molecule has one atom which will be consibered 
for the pulling. ZUG is that from the molecule that should be pulled and 
REF is the one from the other molecule (in umbrella pulling it would be 
the reference group). So the system looks the following

REFhbonds-ZUG ->   pulling in this direction.

In the *.mdp file i had the following parameters:
pull=  constant_force
pull_geometry   =  direction
pull_dim=  Y Y Y
pull_ngroups=  1
pull_group1 =  ZUG
pull_k1 =  -500
pull_vec1   =  1.631 0.196 0.279

where pull_vec1 is the vector from REF to ZUG.
The manual states that for constant_force there is no reference group, 
so i took for pull_geometry direction, because it looks like that all 
the other options need a reference group.


grompp complained that the pulling is in absolute coordinates and that 
this can lead to artefacts (i think when the molecule starts to rotate). 
In the end both molecule were pulled together through space, because REF 
wasn't fixed (so the molecule could move freely).


Then i fixed the position of REF via position restraints and a freeze 
group (not both together, were two simulations). In both cases grompp 
didn't complain about the pulling in absolute coordinates. (I fixed the 
position of REF, because that's the same what the pullcode does in 
umbrella/position pulling with the reference group, the spring moves 
relative to the reference group so the reference group is fixed for the 
pulling).


So now to my questions:

1) Would this (to fix the position of REF) be the right way to simulate 
a force clamp experiment?


2) If so, what would be better for fixing freeze group or position 
restraint? I tend to the former because then REF is fixed totally, in 
the later cases the two molecule would move a little bit, till the force 
from the pulling and restraint will be equilibrated and then i have 
nearly the same case as in the freeze group, but REF could fluctuate in 
space (how much depends on the strength of the restraints, but i think 
it would not be very much).


3) What to do with COM? Remove nothing, or only the translation or 
translation and rotation? One remark, i disabled the pbc, but i would be 
interesed what one should use best without and with pbc (in the later 
cases there could be also water present).


Hope somebody has any ideas.
Greetings
Thomas
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RE: [gmx-users] constant_force pulling

2009-11-18 Thread Berk Hess

Hi,

I think you mis-read the manual.
With constant-force there is no reference position (since a linear potential 
has no reference point),
but you can, and in your case should, use a reference group.
Then you can also use the geometry distance.

Berk

> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:08:43 +0100
> From: schl...@uni-mainz.de
> To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
> Subject: [gmx-users] constant_force pulling
> 
> Hi all,
> i tried out the constant_force pulling, to simulate a force clamp 
> pulling experiment. But there are now some questions. But first describe 
> the system and so on...
> The system consists of two molecules which can bind through hydrogen 
> bonds with no water. Each molecule has one atom which will be consibered 
> for the pulling. ZUG is that from the molecule that should be pulled and 
> REF is the one from the other molecule (in umbrella pulling it would be 
> the reference group). So the system looks the following
> REFhbonds-ZUG ->   pulling in this direction.
> 
> In the *.mdp file i had the following parameters:
> pull=  constant_force
> pull_geometry   =  direction
> pull_dim=  Y Y Y
> pull_ngroups=  1
> pull_group1 =  ZUG
> pull_k1 =  -500
> pull_vec1   =  1.631 0.196 0.279
> 
> where pull_vec1 is the vector from REF to ZUG.
> The manual states that for constant_force there is no reference group, 
> so i took for pull_geometry direction, because it looks like that all 
> the other options need a reference group.
> 
> grompp complained that the pulling is in absolute coordinates and that 
> this can lead to artefacts (i think when the molecule starts to rotate). 
> In the end both molecule were pulled together through space, because REF 
> wasn't fixed (so the molecule could move freely).
> 
> Then i fixed the position of REF via position restraints and a freeze 
> group (not both together, were two simulations). In both cases grompp 
> didn't complain about the pulling in absolute coordinates. (I fixed the 
> position of REF, because that's the same what the pullcode does in 
> umbrella/position pulling with the reference group, the spring moves 
> relative to the reference group so the reference group is fixed for the 
> pulling).
> 
> So now to my questions:
> 
> 1) Would this (to fix the position of REF) be the right way to simulate 
> a force clamp experiment?
> 
> 2) If so, what would be better for fixing freeze group or position 
> restraint? I tend to the former because then REF is fixed totally, in 
> the later cases the two molecule would move a little bit, till the force 
> from the pulling and restraint will be equilibrated and then i have 
> nearly the same case as in the freeze group, but REF could fluctuate in 
> space (how much depends on the strength of the restraints, but i think 
> it would not be very much).
> 
> 3) What to do with COM? Remove nothing, or only the translation or 
> translation and rotation? One remark, i disabled the pbc, but i would be 
> interesed what one should use best without and with pbc (in the later 
> cases there could be also water present).
> 
> Hope somebody has any ideas.
> Greetings
> Thomas
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[gmx-users] how to construct fatty acid

2009-11-18 Thread Tengfei Luo

Dear All:

I'm new to Gromacs. I want to simulate water disolve in fatty acid 
(C-C-COOH) using a all atom model. I started up with constructing the pdb 
file of decanoic acid. Following the post by Justin 
http://lists.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2009-March/040125.html I added 
the [Eth] and [EthB] part into the ffoplsaa.rtp file. I also added the 
following [COOH] section into this file


; cooh
[ COOH ]
 [ atoms ]
   C1opls_136-0.1201
   H11   opls_140 0.0601
   H12   opls_140 0.0601
   C2opls_267 0.52 2
   O opls_268-0.5302
   OTopls_269-0.44 2
   HOopls_270 0.45 2
 [ bonds ]
   C1-C2
   C1H11
   C1H12
   C1C2
   C2O
   C2OT
   OTHO
 [ impropers ]
   C1  OT C2  O   improper_O_C_X_Y

The following lines are also added to the .hdb file inaddition to those 
suggested in the aformentioned link


COOH   2
2  6  H1 C1 C2 -C2
1  2  HO OT C2 C1

My pdb file is

ATOM  1  C1  EthB1   1.000   1.540   0.000
ATOM  2  C2  EthB1   2.456   2.041   0.000
ATOM  3  C1  Eth 2   2.456   3.581   0.000
ATOM  4  C2  Eth 2   3.912   4.083   0.000
ATOM  5  C1  COOH3   3.912   5.623   0.000
ATOM  6  C2  COOH3   5.368   6.124   0.000
ATOM  7  O   COOH3   6.800   6.124   0.000
ATOM  8  OT  COOH3   5.300   7.600   0.000
END

I successfully constructed the .top file using pdb2gmx. However, when doing 
minimization, I found that the H attached to the O get too close to this O 
atom. I notice that there is no bond between these two atoms in the top file 
(a part of the top file is attached as follow):


;
; File 'acid.top' was generated
; By user: luotengf (482685)
; On host: dev-intel07
; At date: Tue Nov 17 18:38:45 2009
;
; This is your topology file
; "Drugs are Bad, mmokay" (South Park)
;
; Include forcefield parameters
#include "ffoplsaa.itp"

[ moleculetype ]
; Namenrexcl
Protein 3

[ atoms ]
;   nr   type  resnr residue  atom   cgnr charge   mass  typeB 
chargeB  massB
1   opls_135  1   EthB C1  1  -0.18 12.011   ; 
qtot -0.18
2   opls_140  1   EthBH11  1   0.06  1.008   ; 
qtot -0.12
3   opls_140  1   EthBH12  1   0.06  1.008   ; 
qtot -0.06
4   opls_140  1   EthBH13  1   0.06  1.008   ; qtot 
0
5   opls_136  1   EthB C2  2  -0.12 12.011   ; 
qtot -0.12
6   opls_140  1   EthBH21  2   0.06  1.008   ; 
qtot -0.06
7   opls_140  1   EthBH22  2   0.06  1.008   ; qtot 
0
8   opls_136  2Eth C1  3  -0.12 12.011   ; 
qtot -0.12
9   opls_140  2EthH11  3   0.06  1.008   ; 
qtot -0.06
   10   opls_140  2EthH12  3   0.06  1.008   ; qtot 
0
   11   opls_136  2Eth C2  4  -0.12 12.011   ; 
qtot -0.12
   12   opls_140  2EthH21  4   0.06  1.008   ; 
qtot -0.06
   13   opls_140  2EthH22  4   0.06  1.008   ; qtot 
0
   14   opls_136  3   COOH C1  5  -0.12 12.011   ; 
qtot -0.12
   15   opls_140  3   COOHH11  5   0.06  1.008   ; 
qtot -0.06
   16   opls_140  3   COOHH12  5   0.06  1.008   ; qtot 
0
   17   opls_267  3   COOH C2  6   0.52 12.011   ; qtot 
0.52
   18   opls_268  3   COOH  O  6  -0.5315.9994   ; 
qtot -0.01
   19   opls_269  3   COOH OT  6  -0.4415.9994   ; 
qtot -0.45
   20   opls_270  3   COOH HO  6   0.45  1.008   ; qtot 
0


[ bonds ]
;  aiaj functc0c1c2c3
   1 2 1
   1 3 1
   1 4 1
   1 5 1
   5 6 1
   5 7 1
   5 8 1
   8 9 1
   810 1
   811 1
  1112 1
  1113 1
  1114 1
  1415 1
  1416 1
  1417 1
  1718 1
  1719 1

Do you see what is wrong with my approach? I also know there is -ter which 
can replace the end with COOH, but how can I construct the termini to be 
replace at the first place?


I tried to make myself as clear as possible and make the email short. I 
shall appreciate any help or suggestion.


Sincerely,

Tengfei 


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Re: [gmx-users] how to construct fatty acid

2009-11-18 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Tengfei Luo wrote:

Dear All:

I'm new to Gromacs. I want to simulate water disolve in fatty acid 
(C-C-COOH) using a all atom model. I started up with constructing the 
pdb file of decanoic acid. Following the post by Justin 
http://lists.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2009-March/040125.html I 
added the [Eth] and [EthB] part into the ffoplsaa.rtp file. I also added 
the following [COOH] section into this file


; cooh
[ COOH ]
 [ atoms ]
   C1opls_136-0.1201
   H11   opls_140 0.0601
   H12   opls_140 0.0601
   C2opls_267 0.52 2
   O opls_268-0.5302
   OTopls_269-0.44 2
   HOopls_270 0.45 2
 [ bonds ]
   C1-C2
   C1H11
   C1H12
   C1C2
   C2O
   C2OT
   OTHO
 [ impropers ]
   C1  OT C2  O   improper_O_C_X_Y

The following lines are also added to the .hdb file inaddition to those 
suggested in the aformentioned link


COOH   2
2  6  H1 C1 C2 -C2
1  2  HO OT C2 C1

My pdb file is

ATOM  1  C1  EthB1   1.000   1.540   0.000
ATOM  2  C2  EthB1   2.456   2.041   0.000
ATOM  3  C1  Eth 2   2.456   3.581   0.000
ATOM  4  C2  Eth 2   3.912   4.083   0.000
ATOM  5  C1  COOH3   3.912   5.623   0.000
ATOM  6  C2  COOH3   5.368   6.124   0.000
ATOM  7  O   COOH3   6.800   6.124   0.000
ATOM  8  OT  COOH3   5.300   7.600   0.000
END

I successfully constructed the .top file using pdb2gmx. However, when 
doing minimization, I found that the H attached to the O get too close 
to this O atom. I notice that there is no bond between these two atoms 
in the top file (a part of the top file is attached as follow):




Does the bond length change somehow?  Or does the H get close to the carbonyl 
oxygen in the -COOH group?  Are you doing the minimization in vacuo?  If so, the 
strong (condensed-phase) charges that you have assigned may be inappropriate in 
the absence of solvent, which will screen electrostatic effects.




The topology looks reasonable.

Do you see what is wrong with my approach? I also know there is -ter 
which can replace the end with COOH, but how can I construct the termini 
to be replace at the first place?




The -ter option does not function for non-protein compounds, as stated in the 
thread you cite.


-Justin

I tried to make myself as clear as possible and make the email short. I 
shall appreciate any help or suggestion.


Sincerely,

Tengfei


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Department of Biochemistry
Virginia Tech
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Re: [gmx-users] how to construct fatty acid

2009-11-18 Thread Tengfei Luo

Justin:

Thank you for your help!

Yes, the OH bond length changed before and after minimization. and yes, the 
H get close to the carbonyl O in the COOH group. I did the minimization with 
solvent.


I appreciate any further suggestion!

Tengfei

- Original Message - 
From: "Justin A. Lemkul" 

To: "Discussion list for GROMACS users" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] how to construct fatty acid





Tengfei Luo wrote:

Dear All:

I'm new to Gromacs. I want to simulate water disolve in fatty acid 
(C-C-COOH) using a all atom model. I started up with constructing the pdb 
file of decanoic acid. Following the post by Justin 
http://lists.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2009-March/040125.html I 
added the [Eth] and [EthB] part into the ffoplsaa.rtp file. I also added 
the following [COOH] section into this file


; cooh
[ COOH ]
 [ atoms ]
   C1opls_136-0.1201
   H11   opls_140 0.0601
   H12   opls_140 0.0601
   C2opls_267 0.52 2
   O opls_268-0.5302
   OTopls_269-0.44 2
   HOopls_270 0.45 2
 [ bonds ]
   C1-C2
   C1H11
   C1H12
   C1C2
   C2O
   C2OT
   OTHO
 [ impropers ]
   C1  OT C2  O   improper_O_C_X_Y

The following lines are also added to the .hdb file inaddition to those 
suggested in the aformentioned link


COOH   2
2  6  H1 C1 C2 -C2
1  2  HO OT C2 C1

My pdb file is

ATOM  1  C1  EthB1   1.000   1.540   0.000
ATOM  2  C2  EthB1   2.456   2.041   0.000
ATOM  3  C1  Eth 2   2.456   3.581   0.000
ATOM  4  C2  Eth 2   3.912   4.083   0.000
ATOM  5  C1  COOH3   3.912   5.623   0.000
ATOM  6  C2  COOH3   5.368   6.124   0.000
ATOM  7  O   COOH3   6.800   6.124   0.000
ATOM  8  OT  COOH3   5.300   7.600   0.000
END

I successfully constructed the .top file using pdb2gmx. However, when 
doing minimization, I found that the H attached to the O get too close to 
this O atom. I notice that there is no bond between these two atoms in 
the top file (a part of the top file is attached as follow):




Does the bond length change somehow?  Or does the H get close to the 
carbonyl oxygen in the -COOH group?  Are you doing the minimization in 
vacuo?  If so, the strong (condensed-phase) charges that you have assigned 
may be inappropriate in the absence of solvent, which will screen 
electrostatic effects.




The topology looks reasonable.

Do you see what is wrong with my approach? I also know there is -ter 
which can replace the end with COOH, but how can I construct the termini 
to be replace at the first place?




The -ter option does not function for non-protein compounds, as stated in 
the thread you cite.


-Justin

I tried to make myself as clear as possible and make the email short. I 
shall appreciate any help or suggestion.


Sincerely,

Tengfei


--


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ICTAS Doctoral Scholar
Department of Biochemistry
Virginia Tech
Blacksburg, VA
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Re: [gmx-users] how to construct fatty acid

2009-11-18 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Tengfei Luo wrote:

Justin:

Thank you for your help!

Yes, the OH bond length changed before and after minimization. and yes, 
the H get close to the carbonyl O in the COOH group. I did the 
minimization with solvent.


I appreciate any further suggestion!


Can you post your .mdp file?  I have never seen any instability in OPLS -COOH 
groups like you've described.


-Justin



Tengfei

- Original Message - From: "Justin A. Lemkul" 
To: "Discussion list for GROMACS users" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] how to construct fatty acid





Tengfei Luo wrote:

Dear All:

I'm new to Gromacs. I want to simulate water disolve in fatty acid 
(C-C-COOH) using a all atom model. I started up with constructing the 
pdb file of decanoic acid. Following the post by Justin 
http://lists.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2009-March/040125.html I 
added the [Eth] and [EthB] part into the ffoplsaa.rtp file. I also 
added the following [COOH] section into this file


; cooh
[ COOH ]
 [ atoms ]
   C1opls_136-0.1201
   H11   opls_140 0.0601
   H12   opls_140 0.0601
   C2opls_267 0.52 2
   O opls_268-0.5302
   OTopls_269-0.44 2
   HOopls_270 0.45 2
 [ bonds ]
   C1-C2
   C1H11
   C1H12
   C1C2
   C2O
   C2OT
   OTHO
 [ impropers ]
   C1  OT C2  O   improper_O_C_X_Y

The following lines are also added to the .hdb file inaddition to 
those suggested in the aformentioned link


COOH   2
2  6  H1 C1 C2 -C2
1  2  HO OT C2 C1

My pdb file is

ATOM  1  C1  EthB1   1.000   1.540   0.000
ATOM  2  C2  EthB1   2.456   2.041   0.000
ATOM  3  C1  Eth 2   2.456   3.581   0.000
ATOM  4  C2  Eth 2   3.912   4.083   0.000
ATOM  5  C1  COOH3   3.912   5.623   0.000
ATOM  6  C2  COOH3   5.368   6.124   0.000
ATOM  7  O   COOH3   6.800   6.124   0.000
ATOM  8  OT  COOH3   5.300   7.600   0.000
END

I successfully constructed the .top file using pdb2gmx. However, when 
doing minimization, I found that the H attached to the O get too 
close to this O atom. I notice that there is no bond between these 
two atoms in the top file (a part of the top file is attached as 
follow):




Does the bond length change somehow?  Or does the H get close to the 
carbonyl oxygen in the -COOH group?  Are you doing the minimization in 
vacuo?  If so, the strong (condensed-phase) charges that you have 
assigned may be inappropriate in the absence of solvent, which will 
screen electrostatic effects.




The topology looks reasonable.

Do you see what is wrong with my approach? I also know there is -ter 
which can replace the end with COOH, but how can I construct the 
termini to be replace at the first place?




The -ter option does not function for non-protein compounds, as stated 
in the thread you cite.


-Justin

I tried to make myself as clear as possible and make the email short. 
I shall appreciate any help or suggestion.


Sincerely,

Tengfei


--


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Ph.D. Candidate
ICTAS Doctoral Scholar
Department of Biochemistry
Virginia Tech
Blacksburg, VA
jalemkul[at]vt.edu | (540) 231-9080
http://www.bevanlab.biochem.vt.edu/Pages/Personal/justin


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Department of Biochemistry
Virginia Tech
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Re: [gmx-users] how to construct fatty acid

2009-11-18 Thread Tengfei Luo

Here it is:

title = acid
cpp = /usr/bin/cpp ; the c pre-processor
define = -DFLEXIBLE ; use flexible water model
constraints = none
integrator = steep
dt = 0.002 ; ps !
nsteps = 400
nstlist = 10
ns_type = grid
rlist = 0.9
coulombtype = PME
rcoulomb = 0.9
rvdw = 0.9
fourierspacing = 0.12
fourier_nx = 0
fourier_ny = 0
fourier_nz = 0
pme_order = 4
ewald_rtol = 1e-5
optimize_fft = yes
;
; Energy minimizing stuff
;
emtol = 1000.0
emstep = 0.01


Thank you again!

Tengfei

- Original Message - 
From: "Justin A. Lemkul" 

To: "Gromacs Users' List" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] how to construct fatty acid





Tengfei Luo wrote:

Justin:

Thank you for your help!

Yes, the OH bond length changed before and after minimization. and yes, 
the H get close to the carbonyl O in the COOH group. I did the 
minimization with solvent.


I appreciate any further suggestion!


Can you post your .mdp file?  I have never seen any instability in 
OPLS -COOH groups like you've described.


-Justin



Tengfei

- Original Message - From: "Justin A. Lemkul" 
To: "Discussion list for GROMACS users" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] how to construct fatty acid





Tengfei Luo wrote:

Dear All:

I'm new to Gromacs. I want to simulate water disolve in fatty acid 
(C-C-COOH) using a all atom model. I started up with constructing the 
pdb file of decanoic acid. Following the post by Justin 
http://lists.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2009-March/040125.html I 
added the [Eth] and [EthB] part into the ffoplsaa.rtp file. I also 
added the following [COOH] section into this file


; cooh
[ COOH ]
 [ atoms ]
   C1opls_136-0.1201
   H11   opls_140 0.0601
   H12   opls_140 0.0601
   C2opls_267 0.52 2
   O opls_268-0.5302
   OTopls_269-0.44 2
   HOopls_270 0.45 2
 [ bonds ]
   C1-C2
   C1H11
   C1H12
   C1C2
   C2O
   C2OT
   OTHO
 [ impropers ]
   C1  OT C2  O   improper_O_C_X_Y

The following lines are also added to the .hdb file inaddition to those 
suggested in the aformentioned link


COOH   2
2  6  H1 C1 C2 -C2
1  2  HO OT C2 C1

My pdb file is

ATOM  1  C1  EthB1   1.000   1.540   0.000
ATOM  2  C2  EthB1   2.456   2.041   0.000
ATOM  3  C1  Eth 2   2.456   3.581   0.000
ATOM  4  C2  Eth 2   3.912   4.083   0.000
ATOM  5  C1  COOH3   3.912   5.623   0.000
ATOM  6  C2  COOH3   5.368   6.124   0.000
ATOM  7  O   COOH3   6.800   6.124   0.000
ATOM  8  OT  COOH3   5.300   7.600   0.000
END

I successfully constructed the .top file using pdb2gmx. However, when 
doing minimization, I found that the H attached to the O get too close 
to this O atom. I notice that there is no bond between these two atoms 
in the top file (a part of the top file is attached as follow):




Does the bond length change somehow?  Or does the H get close to the 
carbonyl oxygen in the -COOH group?  Are you doing the minimization in 
vacuo?  If so, the strong (condensed-phase) charges that you have 
assigned may be inappropriate in the absence of solvent, which will 
screen electrostatic effects.




The topology looks reasonable.

Do you see what is wrong with my approach? I also know there is -ter 
which can replace the end with COOH, but how can I construct the 
termini to be replace at the first place?




The -ter option does not function for non-protein compounds, as stated 
in the thread you cite.


-Justin

I tried to make myself as clear as possible and make the email short. I 
shall appreciate any help or suggestion.


Sincerely,

Tengfei


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Virginia Tech
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Re: [gmx-users] how to construct fatty acid

2009-11-18 Thread Justin A. Lemkul


When I run grompp using all your files, I get a series of errors:

ERROR 1 [file topol.top, line 60]:
  No default Bond types


ERROR 2 [file topol.top, line 144]:
  No default Angle types


ERROR 3 [file topol.top, line 190]:
  No default Ryckaert-Bell. types


ERROR 4 [file topol.top, line 191]:
  No default Ryckaert-Bell. types

How did you deal with these?  The first refers to the OT-HO bond, for which 
there is no known bond type, and the rest are a result of the same problematic 
atom types.


I think you have the carboxylate oxygen types wrong.  The carbonyl O should be 
opls_269, and the acid O (in the -OH functional group) should be opls_268. 
These atom types are taken from the ASPH .rtp entry.  If you switch them, the 
errors go away and the structure produced seems reasonable.


-Justin

Tengfei Luo wrote:

Here it is:

title = acid
cpp = /usr/bin/cpp ; the c pre-processor
define = -DFLEXIBLE ; use flexible water model
constraints = none
integrator = steep
dt = 0.002 ; ps !
nsteps = 400
nstlist = 10
ns_type = grid
rlist = 0.9
coulombtype = PME
rcoulomb = 0.9
rvdw = 0.9
fourierspacing = 0.12
fourier_nx = 0
fourier_ny = 0
fourier_nz = 0
pme_order = 4
ewald_rtol = 1e-5
optimize_fft = yes
;
; Energy minimizing stuff
;
emtol = 1000.0
emstep = 0.01


Thank you again!

Tengfei

- Original Message - From: "Justin A. Lemkul" 
To: "Gromacs Users' List" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] how to construct fatty acid





Tengfei Luo wrote:

Justin:

Thank you for your help!

Yes, the OH bond length changed before and after minimization. and 
yes, the H get close to the carbonyl O in the COOH group. I did the 
minimization with solvent.


I appreciate any further suggestion!


Can you post your .mdp file?  I have never seen any instability in 
OPLS -COOH groups like you've described.


-Justin



Tengfei

- Original Message - From: "Justin A. Lemkul" 
To: "Discussion list for GROMACS users" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] how to construct fatty acid





Tengfei Luo wrote:

Dear All:

I'm new to Gromacs. I want to simulate water disolve in fatty acid 
(C-C-COOH) using a all atom model. I started up with constructing 
the pdb file of decanoic acid. Following the post by Justin 
http://lists.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2009-March/040125.html 
I added the [Eth] and [EthB] part into the ffoplsaa.rtp file. I 
also added the following [COOH] section into this file


; cooh
[ COOH ]
 [ atoms ]
   C1opls_136-0.1201
   H11   opls_140 0.0601
   H12   opls_140 0.0601
   C2opls_267 0.52 2
   O opls_268-0.5302
   OTopls_269-0.44 2
   HOopls_270 0.45 2
 [ bonds ]
   C1-C2
   C1H11
   C1H12
   C1C2
   C2O
   C2OT
   OTHO
 [ impropers ]
   C1  OT C2  O   improper_O_C_X_Y

The following lines are also added to the .hdb file inaddition to 
those suggested in the aformentioned link


COOH   2
2  6  H1 C1 C2 -C2
1  2  HO OT C2 C1

My pdb file is

ATOM  1  C1  EthB1   1.000   1.540   0.000
ATOM  2  C2  EthB1   2.456   2.041   0.000
ATOM  3  C1  Eth 2   2.456   3.581   0.000
ATOM  4  C2  Eth 2   3.912   4.083   0.000
ATOM  5  C1  COOH3   3.912   5.623   0.000
ATOM  6  C2  COOH3   5.368   6.124   0.000
ATOM  7  O   COOH3   6.800   6.124   0.000
ATOM  8  OT  COOH3   5.300   7.600   0.000
END

I successfully constructed the .top file using pdb2gmx. However, 
when doing minimization, I found that the H attached to the O get 
too close to this O atom. I notice that there is no bond between 
these two atoms in the top file (a part of the top file is attached 
as follow):




Does the bond length change somehow?  Or does the H get close to the 
carbonyl oxygen in the -COOH group?  Are you doing the minimization 
in vacuo?  If so, the strong (condensed-phase) charges that you have 
assigned may be inappropriate in the absence of solvent, which will 
screen electrostatic effects.




The topology looks reasonable.

Do you see what is wrong with my approach? I also know there is 
-ter which can replace the end with COOH, but how can I construct 
the termini to be replace at the first place?




The -ter option does not function for non-protein compounds, as 
stated in the thread you cite.


-Justin

I tried to make myself as clear as possible and make the email 
short. I shall appreciate any help or suggestion.


Sincerely,

Tengfei


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ICTAS Doctoral Scholar
Department of Biochemistry
Virginia Tech
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jalemkul[at]vt.edu | (540) 231-9080
http://www.bevanlab.biochem.vt.edu/Pages/Personal/justin


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Re: [gmx-users] how to construct fatty acid

2009-11-18 Thread Tengfei Luo

Justin:

Thank you very much! It worked and everything seems reasonable now.

Regards,

Tengfei

- Original Message - 
From: "Justin A. Lemkul" 

To: "Gromacs Users' List" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] how to construct fatty acid




When I run grompp using all your files, I get a series of errors:

ERROR 1 [file topol.top, line 60]:
  No default Bond types


ERROR 2 [file topol.top, line 144]:
  No default Angle types


ERROR 3 [file topol.top, line 190]:
  No default Ryckaert-Bell. types


ERROR 4 [file topol.top, line 191]:
  No default Ryckaert-Bell. types

How did you deal with these?  The first refers to the OT-HO bond, for 
which there is no known bond type, and the rest are a result of the same 
problematic atom types.


I think you have the carboxylate oxygen types wrong.  The carbonyl O 
should be opls_269, and the acid O (in the -OH functional group) should be 
opls_268. These atom types are taken from the ASPH .rtp entry.  If you 
switch them, the errors go away and the structure produced seems 
reasonable.


-Justin

Tengfei Luo wrote:

Here it is:

title = acid
cpp = /usr/bin/cpp ; the c pre-processor
define = -DFLEXIBLE ; use flexible water model
constraints = none
integrator = steep
dt = 0.002 ; ps !
nsteps = 400
nstlist = 10
ns_type = grid
rlist = 0.9
coulombtype = PME
rcoulomb = 0.9
rvdw = 0.9
fourierspacing = 0.12
fourier_nx = 0
fourier_ny = 0
fourier_nz = 0
pme_order = 4
ewald_rtol = 1e-5
optimize_fft = yes
;
; Energy minimizing stuff
;
emtol = 1000.0
emstep = 0.01


Thank you again!

Tengfei

- Original Message - From: "Justin A. Lemkul" 
To: "Gromacs Users' List" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] how to construct fatty acid





Tengfei Luo wrote:

Justin:

Thank you for your help!

Yes, the OH bond length changed before and after minimization. and yes, 
the H get close to the carbonyl O in the COOH group. I did the 
minimization with solvent.


I appreciate any further suggestion!


Can you post your .mdp file?  I have never seen any instability in 
OPLS -COOH groups like you've described.


-Justin



Tengfei

- Original Message - From: "Justin A. Lemkul" 
To: "Discussion list for GROMACS users" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] how to construct fatty acid





Tengfei Luo wrote:

Dear All:

I'm new to Gromacs. I want to simulate water disolve in fatty acid 
(C-C-COOH) using a all atom model. I started up with constructing the 
pdb file of decanoic acid. Following the post by Justin 
http://lists.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2009-March/040125.html I 
added the [Eth] and [EthB] part into the ffoplsaa.rtp file. I also 
added the following [COOH] section into this file


; cooh
[ COOH ]
 [ atoms ]
   C1opls_136-0.1201
   H11   opls_140 0.0601
   H12   opls_140 0.0601
   C2opls_267 0.52 2
   O opls_268-0.5302
   OTopls_269-0.44 2
   HOopls_270 0.45 2
 [ bonds ]
   C1-C2
   C1H11
   C1H12
   C1C2
   C2O
   C2OT
   OTHO
 [ impropers ]
   C1  OT C2  O   improper_O_C_X_Y

The following lines are also added to the .hdb file inaddition to 
those suggested in the aformentioned link


COOH   2
2  6  H1 C1 C2 -C2
1  2  HO OT C2 C1

My pdb file is

ATOM  1  C1  EthB1   1.000   1.540   0.000
ATOM  2  C2  EthB1   2.456   2.041   0.000
ATOM  3  C1  Eth 2   2.456   3.581   0.000
ATOM  4  C2  Eth 2   3.912   4.083   0.000
ATOM  5  C1  COOH3   3.912   5.623   0.000
ATOM  6  C2  COOH3   5.368   6.124   0.000
ATOM  7  O   COOH3   6.800   6.124   0.000
ATOM  8  OT  COOH3   5.300   7.600   0.000
END

I successfully constructed the .top file using pdb2gmx. However, when 
doing minimization, I found that the H attached to the O get too 
close to this O atom. I notice that there is no bond between these 
two atoms in the top file (a part of the top file is attached as 
follow):




Does the bond length change somehow?  Or does the H get close to the 
carbonyl oxygen in the -COOH group?  Are you doing the minimization in 
vacuo?  If so, the strong (condensed-phase) charges that you have 
assigned may be inappropriate in the absence of solvent, which will 
screen electrostatic effects.




The topology looks reasonable.

Do you see what is wrong with my approach? I also know there is -ter 
which can replace the end with COOH, but how can I construct the 
termini to be replace at the first place?




The -ter option does not function for non-protein compounds, as stated 
in the thread you cite.


-Justin

I tried to make myself as clear as possible and make the email short. 
I shall appreciate any help or suggestion.


Sincerely,

Tengfei


--


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Ph.D. Candidate
ICTAS Doctoral Scholar
De

SV: [gmx-users] Hydrogen bonding

2009-11-18 Thread Sarah Witzke
Sarah Witzke wrote:
> Dear gmx-users,
>
>
>
> I have done simulations of one small molecule that diffuses into a DMPC
> membrane. This small molecule contains an alcohol group and is therefore
> capable of hydrogen bonding to the oxygens of DMPC (phosphate and glycerol
> region).
>
> I have read the manual (section 8.12 and g_hbond -h), searched the mailing
> list and google but I have not been able to find a more thorough description
> of the output possibilities than in the manual.
>
> I have tried three different approaches:
>
> 1. The -OH group of the small molecule and the glycerol oxygens
>
> 2. The -OH group of the small molecule and the phosphate oxygens
>
> 3. The small molecule and DMPC (no subgroups)
>
> No. 1 gives 38 hbond, no. 2 gives 15 hbonds and no. 3 gives 53 hbonds. So 1 +
> 2 = 3, which is fine.
>

I'm assuming this is just some theoretical limit that you have established, and
not something that has actually been calculated, correct?

This is from the output of the program, you have explained it below :-)

>
>
> Below is the output from no. 1: (gromacs 4.0.4)
>
> Specify 2 groups to analyze:
>
> Selected 0: 'O11_&_PALC_H12_&_PALC'
>
> Selected 1: 'O7_&_DMPC_&_DMPC_O9_&_DMPC_O10_&_DMPC'
>
> Checking for overlap in atoms between O11_&_PALC_H12_&_PALC and
> O7_&_DMPC_&_DMPC_O9_&_DMPC_O10_&_DMPC
>
> Calculating hydrogen bonds between O11_&_PALC_H12_&_PALC (2 atoms) and
> O7_&_DMPC_&_DMPC_O9_&_DMPC_O10_&_DMPC (384 atoms)
>
> Found 1 donors and 385 acceptors
>
> Making hbmap structure...done.
>
>
>
> Will do grid-seach on 15x15x24 grid, rcut=0.35
>
> Found 15 different hydrogen bonds in trajectory
>
> Found 23 different atom-pairs within hydrogen bonding distance
>
> Merging hbonds with Acceptor and Donor swapped
>
> - Reduced number of hbonds from 15 to 15
>
> - Reduced number of distances from 23 to 23
>
> Average number of hbonds per timeframe 0.083 out of 192.5 possible
>
>
>
> What does these "15 different hydrogen bond in trajectory" mean? I don't
> understand this. I also don't understand "Average number of hbonds per

That means quite literally what it says: there are 15 distinct hydrogen bonds
that form at some point in your trajectory.  They are listed in hbond.ndx
(output of -hbn) and mapped in hbmap.xpm (from -hbm).  You should find that
there are 15 :)
 
Yes, I see this. Do you by the way know why this .ndx files under the title [ 
donors_hydrogens_DMPC ] lists a lot of  non-heteroatoms (carbon atoms)?

> timeframe 0.083 out of 192.5 possible" - 192.5 possible hbonds?? Can anyone
> shed some light on this?

You have 385 H-bond acceptors (see the output above).  It appears that g_hbond
makes a simple assumption that if half of these were occupied (with the other
half of the group serving as a donor, which may or may not ever have any
physical significance), then the maximum number of H-bonds would be 385/2 = 
192.5.

The average printed is simply the average number of H-bonds that are present
between your two groups at any given time.  If your small molecule has only one
-OH group that you're considering, the maximum number of H-bonds per timeframe 
is 1.
 
Ok.

>
>
>
> Another question relates to the lifetime of the hbond calculated when the
> "-life" flag is given. The produced .xvg file contain three columns: time,
> p(t), and t p(t). What is p(t) and t p(t)? And how can I find the lifetime?
>
>

The explanation is probably in one of the "Please read and cite the following
reference" messages that g_hbond spits out.  Looks like some sort of probability
function.  You should also be cautioned by this warning from using the -life 
option:

"Note that the lifetime obtained in this manner is close to useless
Use the -ac option instead and check the Forward lifetime"
 
When I use the -ac option I get this output: 
...
  ACF 53/53
  Normalization for c(t) = 1.19876 for gh(t) = 9.96115e-05 
  WARNING: Correlation function is probably not long enough
  because the standard deviation in the tail of C(t) > 0.001
  Tail value (average C(t) over second half of acf): 0.0155651 +/- 0.014574
  Hydrogen bond thermodynamics at T = 298.15 K
  Fitting parameters chi^2 = 5.76828e-05
  Q =  0
  --
  Type  Rate (1/ps) Time (ps)  DG (kJ/mol)  Chi^2
  Forward 0.001682.571  20.705  5.76828e-05
  Backward0.013 75.432  15.245
  One-way 0.001   1001.338  21.655
  Integral0.000   3419.839  24.700
  Relaxation  0.001   1216.745  22.138
  100%
...
 
When looking at the produced .xvg file I see these three data sets as a 
function of time:
  @ s0 legend "Ac\sfin sys\v{}\z{}(t)"
  @ s1 legend "Ac(t)"
  @ s2 legend "Cc\scontact,hb\v{}\z{}(t)"
  @ s3 legend "-dAc\sfs\v{}\z{}/dt"

 
In neither the output nor the .xvg file I see any mention of 'Forward 
lifetime'. Perhabs this is because of the warning 'Correlation function is 
probably not long enough because the standard deviation in the ta

[gmx-users] Decreasing MSD of ligand ?

2009-11-18 Thread Chih-Ying Lin
Hi
The MSD decrease occurs in the long times.
The ligand has bounded to a protein.
How can the decrease happen?


Thank you
Lin




Chih-Ying Lin wrote:
>
>
>
> HI MSD = mean square displacement diffusion coefficient = d/dt (MSD) I
> simulate the protein and ligand system and then calculate the MSD of the
> ligand. Then, i drew the plot of the time evolution of the MSD. But the
> the MSD decreases as time for some period. I see nothing about my
> codings. Would you please tell me about any possible errors i made?

MSD can decrease due to insufficient sampling (time of the simulation,
number of
frames analyzed, etc).  Depending on what you define as "some period"
(during
the initial part of the simulation? the middle? the end?) the behavior may
or
may not be normal, but from the few details you provide, there's no way to
know.
 What do you hope to see in this analysis?  Will a ligand bound to a protein
really diffuse that much anyway?

-Justin

> Thank you Lin
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: SV: [gmx-users] Hydrogen bonding

2009-11-18 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Sarah Witzke wrote:



 
Yes, I see this. Do you by the way know why this .ndx files under the title [ donors_hydrogens_DMPC ] lists a lot of  non-heteroatoms (carbon atoms)?




No clue.  Probably the code identifies the functional group to which the donor 
belongs.  The more pertinent directive is the [ hbonds... ] one, which contains 
the indices of the atoms actually participating in hydrogen bonding.




When I use the -ac option I get this output: 
...

  ACF 53/53
  Normalization for c(t) = 1.19876 for gh(t) = 9.96115e-05 
  WARNING: Correlation function is probably not long enough

  because the standard deviation in the tail of C(t) > 0.001
  Tail value (average C(t) over second half of acf): 0.0155651 +/- 0.014574
  Hydrogen bond thermodynamics at T = 298.15 K
  Fitting parameters chi^2 = 5.76828e-05
  Q =  0
  --
  Type  Rate (1/ps) Time (ps)  DG (kJ/mol)  Chi^2
  Forward 0.001682.571  20.705  5.76828e-05
  Backward0.013 75.432  15.245
  One-way 0.001   1001.338  21.655
  Integral0.000   3419.839  24.700
  Relaxation  0.001   1216.745  22.138
  100%
...
 
When looking at the produced .xvg file I see these three data sets as a function of time:

  @ s0 legend "Ac\sfin sys\v{}\z{}(t)"
  @ s1 legend "Ac(t)"
  @ s2 legend "Cc\scontact,hb\v{}\z{}(t)"
  @ s3 legend "-dAc\sfs\v{}\z{}/dt"

 
In neither the output nor the .xvg file I see any mention of 'Forward lifetime'. Perhabs this is because of the warning 'Correlation function is probably not long enough because the standard deviation in the tail of C(t) > 0.001' which I sadly don't understand. Is this a matter of actual length of the .xtc file? I use the last 120 ns of a 220 ns simulation. Any suggestions?
 


Please see the following output line:

Forward 0.001682.571  20.705  5.76828e-05

The note about the correlation function would imply that the correlation 
function itself has not converged until its value is < 0.001.  This is usually a 
result of insufficient data, either the length of the simulation, or number of 
frames analyzed (based on the spacing of the frames).


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Re: [gmx-users] Decreasing MSD of ligand ?

2009-11-18 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Chih-Ying Lin wrote:

Hi
The MSD decrease occurs in the long times.
The ligand has bounded to a protein.
How can the decrease happen?



Probably because the ligand, being bound to the protein, has its motion 
restricted by its interaction with the protein.  I don't see the purpose of 
measuring the MSD of a bound compound, since it probably shouldn't change much, 
anyway, if the ligand remains in the active site.  MSD is much more useful for 
measuring the movement of more freely-diffusible entities (solvents, lipids, etc).


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SV: SV: [gmx-users] Hydrogen bonding

2009-11-18 Thread Sarah Witzke
Sarah Witzke wrote:



> 
> Yes, I see this. Do you by the way know why this .ndx files under the title [ 
> donors_hydrogens_DMPC ] lists a lot of  non-heteroatoms (carbon atoms)?
>

No clue.  Probably the code identifies the functional group to which the donor
belongs.  The more pertinent directive is the [ hbonds... ] one, which contains
the indices of the atoms actually participating in hydrogen bonding.



> When I use the -ac option I get this output:
> ...
>   ACF 53/53
>   Normalization for c(t) = 1.19876 for gh(t) = 9.96115e-05
>   WARNING: Correlation function is probably not long enough
>   because the standard deviation in the tail of C(t) > 0.001
>   Tail value (average C(t) over second half of acf): 0.0155651 +/- 0.014574
>   Hydrogen bond thermodynamics at T = 298.15 K
>   Fitting parameters chi^2 = 5.76828e-05
>   Q =  0
>   --
>   Type  Rate (1/ps) Time (ps)  DG (kJ/mol)  Chi^2
>   Forward 0.001682.571  20.705  5.76828e-05
>   Backward0.013 75.432  15.245
>   One-way 0.001   1001.338  21.655
>   Integral0.000   3419.839  24.700
>   Relaxation  0.001   1216.745  22.138
>   100%
> ...
> 
> When looking at the produced .xvg file I see these three data sets as a 
> function of time:
>   @ s0 legend "Ac\sfin sys\v{}\z{}(t)"
>   @ s1 legend "Ac(t)"
>   @ s2 legend "Cc\scontact,hb\v{}\z{}(t)"
>   @ s3 legend "-dAc\sfs\v{}\z{}/dt"
>
> 
> In neither the output nor the .xvg file I see any mention of 'Forward 
> lifetime'. Perhabs this is because of the warning 'Correlation function is 
> probably not long enough because the standard deviation in the tail of C(t) > 
> 0.001' which I sadly don't understand. Is this a matter of actual length of 
> the .xtc file? I use the last 120 ns of a 220 ns simulation. Any suggestions?
> 

Please see the following output line:

Forward 0.001682.571  20.705  5.76828e-05
 
ARRGH, I'm sorry, things went too quick :-( So the lifetime in average per 
hbond is 628.571 ps?

The note about the correlation function would imply that the correlation
function itself has not converged until its value is < 0.001.  This is usually a
result of insufficient data, either the length of the simulation, or number of
frames analyzed (based on the spacing of the frames).
 
Hmm, so using 120 ns simulation from a standard .xtc file (timestep of 10 ps) 
is not long enough. Perhabs I should try the original .trr file... The .xtc 
file I'm using only contains DMPC and the small molecule, no solvent - I can't 
see this would make a difference in this case, am I right?

Thank you,

Sarah


-Justin



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Re: SV: SV: [gmx-users] Hydrogen bonding

2009-11-18 Thread Justin A. Lemkul


Sarah Witzke wrote:




ARRGH, I'm sorry, things went too quick :-( So the lifetime in average per 
hbond is 628.571 ps?



Yes, per the calculation.  For a bit more about the analysis, see the "Please
read and cite" notices, as well as this thread:

http://lists.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2009-February/039955.html


The note about the correlation function would imply that the correlation
function itself has not converged until its value is < 0.001.  This is usually a
result of insufficient data, either the length of the simulation, or number of
frames analyzed (based on the spacing of the frames).
 
Hmm, so using 120 ns simulation from a standard .xtc file (timestep of 10 ps) is not long enough. Perhabs I should try the original .trr file... The .xtc file I'm using only contains DMPC and the small molecule, no solvent - I can't see this would make a difference in this case, am I right?




The correlation will depend on how much the interactions are changing over the
period you analyzed.  If you are analyzing a small molecule and DMPC, water
should not matter.

-Justin

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SV: SV: SV: [gmx-users] Hydrogen bonding

2009-11-18 Thread Sarah Witzke
 

Sarah Witzke wrote:



> ARRGH, I'm sorry, things went too quick :-( So the lifetime in average per 
> hbond is 628.571 ps?
>

Yes, per the calculation.  For a bit more about the analysis, see the "Please
read and cite" notices, as well as this thread:

http://lists.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2009-February/039955.html

> The note about the correlation function would imply that the correlation
> function itself has not converged until its value is < 0.001.  This is 
> usually a
> result of insufficient data, either the length of the simulation, or number of
> frames analyzed (based on the spacing of the frames).
> 
> Hmm, so using 120 ns simulation from a standard .xtc file (timestep of 10 ps) 
> is not long enough. Perhabs I should try the original .trr file... The .xtc 
> file I'm using only contains DMPC and the small molecule, no solvent - I 
> can't see this would make a difference in this case, am I right?
>

The correlation will depend on how much the interactions are changing over the
period you analyzed.  If you are analyzing a small molecule and DMPC, water
should not matter.

I have now tried with the full length (220 ns) .trr file and the -ac output 
still prints a warning:

  ACF 106/106
  Normalization for c(t) = 1.23261 for gh(t) = 5.58815e-05

  WARNING: Correlation function is probably not long enough
  because the standard deviation in the tail of C(t) > 0.001
  Tail value (average C(t) over second half of acf): 0.000172327 +/- 0.00277407

In your opinion, does this mean that I cannot trust the value of the lifetime, 
since the correlation function is not converging?

Thank you!


I have conducted the analysis on the 
-Justin

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Re: SV: SV: SV: [gmx-users] Hydrogen bonding

2009-11-18 Thread Justin A. Lemkul


Sarah Witzke wrote:
 


Sarah Witzke wrote:




ARRGH, I'm sorry, things went too quick :-( So the lifetime in average per 
hbond is 628.571 ps?



Yes, per the calculation.  For a bit more about the analysis, see the "Please
read and cite" notices, as well as this thread:

http://lists.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2009-February/039955.html


The note about the correlation function would imply that the correlation
function itself has not converged until its value is < 0.001.  This is usually a
result of insufficient data, either the length of the simulation, or number of
frames analyzed (based on the spacing of the frames).

Hmm, so using 120 ns simulation from a standard .xtc file (timestep of 10 ps) 
is not long enough. Perhabs I should try the original .trr file... The .xtc 
file I'm using only contains DMPC and the small molecule, no solvent - I can't 
see this would make a difference in this case, am I right?



The correlation will depend on how much the interactions are changing over the
period you analyzed.  If you are analyzing a small molecule and DMPC, water
should not matter.

I have now tried with the full length (220 ns) .trr file and the -ac output 
still prints a warning:

  ACF 106/106
  Normalization for c(t) = 1.23261 for gh(t) = 5.58815e-05

  WARNING: Correlation function is probably not long enough
  because the standard deviation in the tail of C(t) > 0.001
  Tail value (average C(t) over second half of acf): 0.000172327 +/- 0.00277407

In your opinion, does this mean that I cannot trust the value of the lifetime, 
since the correlation function is not converging?



I'm not entirely sure.  Please see the posts from David in the thread I
referenced before about some potential issues with the ACF in the g_hbond
calculation.  I assume you are using version 4.0.x?

-Justin


Thank you!


I have conducted the analysis on the 
-Justin


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[gmx-users] Problem with box-type after the extension of simulation

2009-11-18 Thread sukesh chandra gain

Dear All,
I started a protein simulation for 100ps with octahedron box. After 
completion of that run I visualized the protein at the centre of the 
octahedron box by using trjconv.
Then I have extended the simulation for another 500 ps by using tpbconv. 
But now it is showing as cubic box when I see the result after using 
trajconv (additionally some part of the protein is out of the box). I do 
not have any clue how the box type has been changed or where could I go 
wrong.

Please comment.
Thank you,
Cheers,
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Re: [gmx-users] Problem with box-type after the extension of simulation

2009-11-18 Thread Amit Choubey
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 9:29 PM, sukesh chandra gain wrote:

> Dear All,
> I started a protein simulation for 100ps with octahedron box. After
> completion of that run I visualized the protein at the centre of the
> octahedron box by using trjconv.
> Then I have extended the simulation for another 500 ps by using tpbconv.
> But now it is showing as cubic box when I see the result after using
> trajconv (additionally some part of the protein is out of the box).


This could only be a visualization glitch.
Try using trjconv options.

amit


> I do not have any clue how the box type has been changed or where could I
> go wrong.
> Please comment.
> Thank you,
> Cheers,
> Sukesh
>
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