Re: [gmx-users] temperature shooting up

2006-11-08 Thread Cherry Y. Yates
Dear Mark,Thanks for your help. Actually I did separate runs for flexible and rigid models, and didn't use the equilibrated flexible structure to start with rigid model calculations. But the starting configurations are the same. So do you mean I need to reduce the T-coupling time? If the initial water geometry is not the same as the rigid model, does the program will "enforce" that geometry for water molecules, or to "relax" water molecure towards it? Many thanks,CherryMark Abraham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Cherry Y. Yates wrote:> Dear Mark,> > Thanks for your help, I followed you instruction, and I can get stable > temperature after I remove the temperature coupling. In this case I used > the flexible spc itp file. However if I use a rigid
 spc.itp,  after > remveing the temperature coupling, the system temperature is shooting up > from 300K to thousands degree, the total energy is going up also instead > of fluctuating. I attached both the itp files and grompp.mdp files. Let > me know what could be wrong. It is really wired to me.The change in the model physics from flexible to rigid is severe one - almost all of the water molecules won't fit the rigid geometry, and will thus be in a high-potential-energy state. If the constraint-enforcing algorithm conserves energy, then that potential energy has to be converted to kinetic energy. Then if the simulation lacks temperature coupling, it is at constant energy and the temperature will be necessarily high. Actually you say you observe rising energy - this is probably because your timestep is too large to conserve energy at this very high temperature (and thus atomic velocity).So the
 take-home lesson is not to do two perturbations of your model physics at one time. If you really want to start with a flexible water model with temperature regulation and end up with rigid water model at without temperature regulation, do the water transition with temperature coupling still on to give the energy somewhere to flow - to the external bath. I expect you'd need a short temperature coupling constant to make this work in practice. Once that's stable, *now* try taking off temperature coupling.This suggests the question, why you'd want to do this flexible-rigid transition in an equilibration? It would be simpler to start in the rigid domain, and to do energy minimization to correct any geometries before starting MD simulations.Mark___gmx-users mailing listgmx-users@gromacs.orghttp://www.gromacs.org/mailman/listinfo/gmx-usersPlease don't post
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Re: [gmx-users] Understanding the output of g_rmsf

2006-11-08 Thread Tsjerk Wassenaar

Hi Keith,

Reference frame and reference structure are references to the same
reference. It is the structure supplied with -s, and possibly a subset
of the atoms in there, specified by an index group. The RMSF is indeed
the standard deviation of the atomic displacement. That is an atom or
residue based property defined over a certain time, which is recorded
in the file specified with -o. The RMSD (-od [rmsdev.xvg]) is a
structure based property, defined over a range of atoms per time,
which is recorded for each frame in the trajectory. Thso the -o file
is indexed per atom (or per residue with -res) and the -od file is
indexed per time. Hence the differences between the numbers of
entries. That has nothing to do with the reference.

Best,

Tsjerk

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Hi,



I have been a bit confused by the g_rmsf output. In the manual, it says that
"g_rmsf computes the root mean square fluctuation (RMSF, i.e. standard
deviation) of atomic positions after first fitting to a reference frame."
But what *is* the reference frame?



I assume that this output is what goes to the file specified by –o
(rmsf.xvg, by default).



The –od option (which goes to rmsdev.xvg by default) is the rms deviation
"with respect to the reference structure". What reference structure? Is that
the same as the "reference frame" mentioned above? I notice that the numbers
in rmsf.svg and rmsdev.xvg are always different, so I assume not.



Can anyone explain the difference between what goes into the –o file, and
what goes into the –od file?



Also, if I start at a specific frame (say, -b 1000, to start 1ns into the
trajectory), is the conformation nearest t=1ns the reference
frame/structure?



Many thanks,



 Keith


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[gmx-users] question about energy fluctuation

2006-11-08 Thread Qiao Baofu
Hi all,After running a MD of a system with about 17000 atoms, I calculated the potential and the total-energy:*Last frame read 1557952 time 
1557.952Statistics over 1557953 steps [ 0. thru 1557.9520 ps ], 2 data setsEnergy  Average   RMSD Fluct.  Drift  Tot-Drift---
Potential   -273047    626.559    611.258  -0.305998   -476.731Total-Energy    -184656    839.662    828.307  -0.305999   -476.731*
I found that the Fluct./Average is 0.45% (Total-Energy), 0.22%(Potential). In the simulation, the time step is 0.001ps, and I saved the energy every step.  On the other hand, on page 98 of the book "Computer Simulation of Liquids" (M. P. Allen & D. J. Tildesley), it is said "For a simple Lennard-Jones system, fluctuation of order 1 part in 10^4 are generally considered to be acceptable."  
The ratio obtained from Gromacs are quite bigger.  Therefore, I want to know if there are any standard for different system to check whether the system are accetable or not.PS: Another question: I found only when the energy data are divided by the number of the molecules, the obtained result are consistent with the date in some related papers. In Gromacs, the unit of energy is KJ/mol. If divided by the number of molecules, how to consider the unit? 
Thanks for any suggestions!Sincerely yours,Baofu Qiao, PhD
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Re: [gmx-users] Strange problem with simple FEP (bug?)

2006-11-08 Thread Maik Goette

Thanks, but that's indeed not the problem.
I'm just doing a PR-run in state A. State B is not of interest in that case.
Somehow GROMACS mixes things up internally, I guess. The bugzilla-entry 
has been placed.


Regards

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David Mobley wrote:

Maik,


I'm trying to do a simple FEP within a simple protein, which seems to
make things simple...but as you may expect...it is anything else than 
that.


What I'm trying to do is morphing a Tyrosine into a Phenylalanine in 
OPLSAA.

Therefore the CZ is changed from the type of TYR to the type of PHE.
The oxygen(TYR) is changed to a proton(PHE) and the proton(TYR) to a
dummy (PHE). So this is very simple. We checked the tpr-dump and
everything looks fine (except, maybe, we missed it). Now, in the
position-restraint run (where state B should not be regarded by the
system), the OH-proton moves on top of the OH-oxygen and the simulation
crashes after a while. We then performed a FEP from TYR to TYR (so A-
and B-state are the same) and the system runs.


I am not an OPLS guy myself, and I don't know the details of your
transformation, so I'll just tell you one possibility, and you'll have
to decide whether it could apply in your situation.

Sometimes, if you are disappearing a Lennard-Jones site that still has
some amount of electrostatics, it can begin to interpenetrate with
other atoms which either do not have Lennard-Jones interactions
(hydrogens in some force fields) or which do (depending on the
combination rule you use). Obviously, this is bad because (for
example) protons can move on top of oxygens and cause blowing up.

A classic example of this is, for example, if I am turning off the LJ
on an oxygen site at the same time as turning off the charges on that
oxygen. In many FF's, water hydrogens lack LJ interactions, so they
can come and overlap with the oxygen I'm disappearing, which is still
charged (at least to some degree) and cause a "fusion" type event.

I don't know if that's what's going on for you, but you might think
about it -- do you have any atoms that you're disappearing, and are
there other atoms which the combination rules would allow to overlap
with those?

The way I get around this problem in my calculations is to always turn
off electrostatics on any atom I'm disappearing prior to modifying the
LJ parameters, so that I never have a charged atom which is being
treated using the "soft-core" potentials that allow overlap.

Not sure if that's your problem -- just a thought.

David



The whole thing was done with GROMACS 3.3.1 and TIP4P. Any suggestions?
Gerrit and me think of a bug somewhere.

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[gmx-users] calculating energy for more than 256 index groups

2006-11-08 Thread Florian Haberl
Hi,

i want to calculate an interaction energy matrix for more than 256 energy 
groups.

First grompp only accept 255 groups so  i changed in readir.c 

#define MAXPTR 510
#define NOGID  511

(from 254 and 255)

After that grompp writes out an tpr file and mdrun works without problems, but 
than in the log file there are only interactions calculated for the first 256 
energy groups.

what do i have to change also or is this somewhere an hard limit?

greetings,

Florian

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[gmx-users] Creation of an index file with seperate lipid leaflets

2006-11-08 Thread Alan Dodd
Has anyone already created a way to generate an index
file with the atoms from the two leaflets of a bilayer
listed seperately?  I can't believe it hasn't already
been done, but can't find a direct description of a
solution.  I'm attempting a modification to make_ndx,
(or perhaps something considerably less ambitious,
judging by the way it's going so far) to permit lipid
selection based on headgroup orientation, though I'd
quite like to save myself the effort.
Incidentally, splitres and splitat seem to be the
wrong way around, unless I'm misunderstanding them -
they do the opposite of what they say.  From the
gromacs 3.3.1 source download I did on April of this
year.

Alan Dodd
University of Bristol

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Re: [gmx-users] Creation of an index file with seperate lipid leaflets

2006-11-08 Thread Jay Mashl
On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, Alan Dodd wrote:
> Has anyone already created a way to generate an index
> file with the atoms from the two leaflets of a bilayer
> listed seperately?  I can't believe it hasn't already
> been done, but can't find a direct description of a
> solution.  I'm attempting a modification to make_ndx,
> (or perhaps something considerably less ambitious,
> judging by the way it's going so far) to permit lipid
> selection based on headgroup orientation, though I'd
> quite like to save myself the effort.
> Incidentally, splitres and splitat seem to be the
> wrong way around, unless I'm misunderstanding them -
> they do the opposite of what they say.  From the
> gromacs 3.3.1 source download I did on April of this
> year.

Reordering the lipids into leaflets in your starting coordinate 
file might be a good idea. If you anticipate lipid exchange between leaflets, 
then a more general tool like what you suggest would be helpful.

Jay

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Re: [gmx-users] Creation of an index file with seperate lipid leaflets

2006-11-08 Thread Alan Dodd
Wouldn't shuffle/sort undo all the good work?  I did
wonder if I should have labelled the lipids in
different leaflets as different molecule types, or
different chains, but it's a bit late now...

--- Jay Mashl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, Alan Dodd wrote:
> > Has anyone already created a way to generate an
> index
> > file with the atoms from the two leaflets of a
> bilayer
> > listed seperately?  I can't believe it hasn't
> already
> > been done, but can't find a direct description of
> a
> > solution.  I'm attempting a modification to
> make_ndx,
> > (or perhaps something considerably less ambitious,
> > judging by the way it's going so far) to permit
> lipid
> > selection based on headgroup orientation, though
> I'd
> > quite like to save myself the effort.
> > Incidentally, splitres and splitat seem to be the
> > wrong way around, unless I'm misunderstanding them
> -
> > they do the opposite of what they say.  From the
> > gromacs 3.3.1 source download I did on April of
> this
> > year.
> 
> Reordering the lipids into leaflets in your starting
> coordinate 
> file might be a good idea. If you anticipate lipid
> exchange between leaflets, 
> then a more general tool like what you suggest would
> be helpful.
> 
> Jay
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[gmx-users] NPH simulation, constant enthalpy?

2006-11-08 Thread Adrien Leygue

Dear Gromacs users,

I have been trying to run an NPH (constant pressure and enthalpy)
simulation of a LJ fluid (as a first test) with GROMACS. From what I
understand (from the GROMACS manual and references therein), one can
do that by considering a Parrinello-Rahman pressure coupling (and no
thermostat).

However, when I compute the enthalpy a posteriori using g_energy, it
is far from constant and actually fluctuates a lot. But from the Nosé
& Klein paper (cited in the manual, in the section on pressure
coupling) it seems that I really should have a constant enthalpy,
except for small fluctuations (associated to the degrees of freedom of
the barostat, I believe).

So I'm probably missing something.

If anyone has ever tried similar simulations with Gromacs, I'd very
much like any input or advice you might have on what I might be doing
wrong.

Thanks a lot.

Adrien.

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[gmx-users] pdb2gmx and protein DNA complexes

2006-11-08 Thread Debojyoti Dutta
Hi I am trying to simulate a protein DNA complex but I am stuck at the pdb2gmx stage as it gets stuck when it encounters a nucleotide.Program pdb2gmx, VERSION 3.3Source code file: resall.c, line: 438
Fatal error:Residue 'C' not found in residue topology databaseThe pdb segment is as follows:ATOM   1239  NZ  LYS B 513 -24.159  16.372 -25.774  1.00 51.42   NATOM   1249  N1    C C   1 -
10.253   8.018  40.704  1.00 25.86   NHas anyone encountered this problem before?RegardsDebo-- -Debojyoti Dutta, PhD (USC)
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Re: [gmx-users] Creation of an index file with seperate lipid leaflets

2006-11-08 Thread Stéphane Téletchéa

Alan Dodd a écrit :

Has anyone already created a way to generate an index
file with the atoms from the two leaflets of a bilayer
listed seperately?  I can't believe it hasn't already
been done, but can't find a direct description of a
solution.  I'm attempting a modification to make_ndx,
(or perhaps something considerably less ambitious,
judging by the way it's going so far) to permit lipid
selection based on headgroup orientation, though I'd
quite like to save myself the effort.
Incidentally, splitres and splitat seem to be the
wrong way around, unless I'm misunderstanding them -
they do the opposite of what they say.  From the
gromacs 3.3.1 source download I did on April of this
year.

Alan Dodd
University of Bristol



Inflategro, written by D. Tieleman and available at:
http://moose.bio.ucalgary.ca/index.php?page=Programs

allows easily to discriminate between upper and lower leaflet.
This is not the program's goal, but if i were to start something, i 
would definively start looking at his program (in perl). With minor 
modifications (mostly removing unuseful code for you and creating the 
output index file), i think you should get what you want.


HTH

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Re: [gmx-users] Creation of an index file with seperate lipid leaflets

2006-11-08 Thread Marc F. Lensink
On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 10:09:28AM -0600, Jay Mashl wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, Alan Dodd wrote:
> > Has anyone already created a way to generate an index
> > file with the atoms from the two leaflets of a bilayer
> > listed seperately?  I can't believe it hasn't already
> > been done, but can't find a direct description of a
> > solution.  I'm attempting a modification to make_ndx,
> > (or perhaps something considerably less ambitious,
> > judging by the way it's going so far) to permit lipid
> > selection based on headgroup orientation, though I'd
> > quite like to save myself the effort.
> > Incidentally, splitres and splitat seem to be the
> > wrong way around, unless I'm misunderstanding them -
> > they do the opposite of what they say.  From the
> > gromacs 3.3.1 source download I did on April of this
> > year.
> 
> Reordering the lipids into leaflets in your starting coordinate 
> file might be a good idea. If you anticipate lipid exchange between leaflets, 
> then a more general tool like what you suggest would be helpful.

look at the z-coordinates of the phosphorus atoms and expand these
into full residues.  you probably don't have flip-flop, so this is a
static group.

you can do this using the gromacs libraries, but with some clever use
of logical operations you can also write a script around make_ndx.

if you're lazy, you can probably also do it using my program g_under
(contact off-list, i still haven't made a distribution).  nothing
against choosing a single water molecule as 'Peptide' and a cylinder
with dimensions 8x8x1 nm (assuming bilayer normal is in z-direction).
here's the help of the program:


g_under can do a number of things on a group of atoms that are located in a
specific direction under an other group.

Typically one will want to extract the lipid molecules that are directly
under a peptide that is binding to a membrane.

Two index groups are required; one describing the Peptide, and one describing
the Membrane. Subsequently all Membrane atoms that have all of their
coordinates (x, y and z) within a threshold value of any of the Peptide
atoms' x, y or z coordinate, are defined as being *under* the Protein.  The
threshold value in each direction is supplied with -d.

For every frame output is written to these files:
   -oa: all atom numbers of this group, starting at zero.
   -or: all unique residue numbers of this group, starting at one.

Output after this is affected by the operators set with -res and -and.

   -res expands the found atoms to include full residues
   -and gives the possibility to cross the resulting group with an other
index group using the AND operator.

When -od is given, the distance between the centers of mass of the resulting
group and an other group is calculated. The total distance and its x, y and z
components are plotted. This other group can have its atoms that make part of
the UNDER group excluded when -not is given. If -coord is supplied, also the
individual centre-of-mass coordinates of the two groups are plotted.


cheers,
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Re: [gmx-users] Creation of an index file with seperate lipid leaflets

2006-11-08 Thread Jay Mashl

Wasted work would be bad ;)

Rather than headgroup orientation, maybe try looking at atom distributions 
along the bilayer normal direction.  Neutron scattering experiments show that 
for atom groups far from the bilayer midplane, the corresponding z-coordinates 
form two distinct distributions.  So one way could be the following. Pick a 
headgroup atom and obtain its z-coordinate. Have make_ndx accept this value as 
input. Search the system by looping over lipids and ask whether that atom type 
has a z-coordinate within some amount around the input value. From this you 
know the membership of the leaflets.  A more automatic way would be to have the 
program first discern the distribution and then reread the system to decide the 
leaflet membership.

Jay


On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, Alan Dodd wrote:
> Wouldn't shuffle/sort undo all the good work?  I did
> wonder if I should have labelled the lipids in
> different leaflets as different molecule types, or
> different chains, but it's a bit late now...
> 
> --- Jay Mashl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, Alan Dodd wrote:
> > > Has anyone already created a way to generate an
> > index
> > > file with the atoms from the two leaflets of a
> > bilayer
> > > listed seperately?  I can't believe it hasn't
> > already
> > > been done, but can't find a direct description of
> > a
> > > solution.  I'm attempting a modification to
> > make_ndx,
> > > (or perhaps something considerably less ambitious,
> > > judging by the way it's going so far) to permit
> > lipid
> > > selection based on headgroup orientation, though
> > I'd
> > > quite like to save myself the effort.
> > > Incidentally, splitres and splitat seem to be the
> > > wrong way around, unless I'm misunderstanding them
> > -
> > > they do the opposite of what they say.  From the
> > > gromacs 3.3.1 source download I did on April of
> > this
> > > year.
> > 
> > Reordering the lipids into leaflets in your starting
> > coordinate 
> > file might be a good idea. If you anticipate lipid
> > exchange between leaflets, 
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> > be helpful.
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Re: [gmx-users] pdb2gmx and protein DNA complexes

2006-11-08 Thread Erik Marklund



Yes, very recently actually. What forcefield are 
you using? If you're using the AMBERXX-port, you might want to have a look at http://folding.stanford.edu/ffamber/. Regardless of your ff, make sure that the atoms in your 
pdb match the ones in ff[your_forcefield].rtp. Oh, and read the 
manual.
 
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  Subject: [gmx-users] pdb2gmx and protein 
  DNA complexes
  Hi I am trying to simulate a protein DNA complex but I 
  am stuck at the pdb2gmx stage as it gets stuck when it encounters a 
  nucleotide.Program pdb2gmx, VERSION 3.3Source code file: 
  resall.c, line: 438 Fatal error:Residue 'C' not found in residue 
  topology databaseThe pdb segment is as 
  follows:ATOM   1239  NZ  LYS B 
  513 -24.159  16.372 -25.774  1.00 
  51.42   
  NATOM   1249  N1    C C   
  1 - 10.253   8.018  40.704  1.00 
  25.86   NHas 
  anyone encountered this problem before?RegardsDebo-- 
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Re: [gmx-users] pdb2gmx and protein DNA complexes

2006-11-08 Thread Erik Marklund



...and not just the atoms. Make sure that the 
residue names are the correct ones for your forcefield. Apparently, the 
forcefield you're using does not have a 'C'-residue.
 
/Erik

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  Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 6:44 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [gmx-users] pdb2gmx and 
  protein DNA complexes
  
  Yes, very recently actually. What forcefield are 
  you using? If you're using the AMBERXX-port, you might want to have a look at 
  http://folding.stanford.edu/ffamber/. Regardless of your ff, make sure that the atoms in 
  your pdb match the ones in ff[your_forcefield].rtp. Oh, and read the 
  manual.
   
  /Erik
  
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To: gmx-users@gromacs.org 
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 6:08 
PM
Subject: [gmx-users] pdb2gmx and 
protein DNA complexes
Hi I am trying to simulate a protein DNA complex but 
I am stuck at the pdb2gmx stage as it gets stuck when it encounters a 
nucleotide.Program pdb2gmx, VERSION 3.3Source code 
file: resall.c, line: 438 Fatal error:Residue 'C' not found in 
residue topology databaseThe pdb segment is as 
follows:ATOM   1239  NZ  LYS B 
513 -24.159  16.372 -25.774  1.00 
51.42   
NATOM   1249  N1    C C   
1 - 10.253   8.018  40.704  1.00 
25.86   
NHas anyone encountered this problem 
before?RegardsDebo-- 
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[gmx-users] How to generate GRO and TOP file for high-number-atom polymer?

2006-11-08 Thread WU Yanbin
Hi,    Genearlly I generate GRO and TOP file for polymer using PRODRG. But PRODRG does not work when the atom number of the polymer exceeds 300. So can anyone recommend other software and method? Thanks. Yours Sincerely,
  WU Yanbin

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[gmx-users] What if the atom number exceed 99999 for Gromacs file?

2006-11-08 Thread WU Yanbin
Hi,  I built up a box of polymer with box size 20x20x20 and then solvate the box with water using Genbox. Thus the total atom number exceeds 9 and I found that the atom number starts from zero when it exceeds 9. Does it matter for the ongoing command "grompp" and "mdrun"? Thanks.
    Yours Sincerely, WU Yanbin
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Re: [gmx-users] What if the atom number exceed 99999 for Gromacs file?

2006-11-08 Thread Viswanadham Sridhara
I believe, It does not matter.
On 11/8/06, WU Yanbin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,  I built up a box of polymer with box size 20x20x20 and then solvate the box with water using Genbox. Thus the total atom number exceeds 9 and I found that the atom number starts from zero when it exceeds 9. Does it matter for the ongoing command "grompp" and "mdrun"? Thanks. 
    Yours Sincerely, WU Yanbin
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Re: [gmx-users] temperature shooting up

2006-11-08 Thread Mark Abraham

Cherry Y. Yates wrote:

Dear Mark,

Thanks for your help. Actually I did separate runs for flexible and 
rigid models, and didn't use the equilibrated flexible structure to 
start with rigid model calculations. But the starting configurations are 
the same. 


Oh OK - but the same kind of problem can arise if your starting 
configuration doesn't match the constraints of the rigid model.


So do you mean I need to reduce the T-coupling time? 


See section 3.4.5 of the manual. The smaller the T-coupling time, the 
"harder" the T-coupling constraint is.


If the 
initial water geometry is not the same as the rigid model, does the 
program will "enforce" that geometry for water molecules, or to "relax" 
water molecure towards it?


As I said last time,


It would be simpler ... to do energy minimization to correct any geometries
before starting MD simulations.


I've never needed to do this, so can't help with details, but it may be 
necessary for this EM to use a solvent molecule .itp that has real 
bonded functions rather than constraints. Thus this EM is actually doing 
the geometry correction, and the geometry constraint algorithms for MD 
will work as you'd hope.


Mark
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Re: [gmx-users] question about energy fluctuation

2006-11-08 Thread Mark Abraham

Qiao Baofu wrote:

Hi all,

After running a MD of a system with about 17000 atoms, I calculated the 
potential and the total-energy:


*
Last frame read 1557952 time 1557.952

Statistics over 1557953 steps [ 0. thru 1557.9520 ps ], 2 data sets

Energy  Average   RMSD Fluct.  Drift  
Tot-Drift
--- 

Potential   -273047626.559611.258  -0.305998   
-476.731
Total-Energy-184656839.662828.307  -0.305999   
-476.731
* 



I found that the Fluct./Average is 0.45% (Total-Energy), 
0.22%(Potential). In the simulation, the time step is 0.001ps, and I 
saved the energy every step. 

On the other hand, on page 98 of the book "Computer Simulation of 
Liquids" (M. P. Allen & D. J. Tildesley), it is said "For a simple 
Lennard-Jones system, fluctuation of order 1 part in 10^4 are generally 
considered to be acceptable." 


This book was written nearly 20 years ago, so take with a "grain of 
salt" its advice on "general acceptability".


Was this a simple Lennard-Jones system? If not, you are comparing apples 
and oranges anyway.


The ratio obtained from Gromacs are quite bigger.  Therefore, I want to 
know if there are any standard for different system to check whether the 
system are accetable or not.



PS: Another question: I found only when the energy data are divided by 
the number of the molecules, the obtained result are consistent with the 
date in some related papers. In Gromacs, the unit of energy is KJ/mol. 
If divided by the number of molecules, how to consider the unit?


kJ/mol per molecule? :-P

The conversion is straightforward, but you may find it easier 
conceptually to convert your other sources into kJ/mol.


Mark
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Re: [gmx-users] invalid order of directive moleule type

2006-11-08 Thread harpreet singh
Thanks for the valueable suggessions, but sir i am actually want to use this 
program for small molecules. I have taken  single  FAD molecule  as u 
suggested modified the atom type as described in ffgmx.rtp, program results 
top and gro files using pdb2gmx, but while running grompp i am getting the 
error:


Back Off! I just backed up mdout.mdp to ./#mdout.mdp.10#
checking input for internal consistency...
calling /usr/bin/cpp...
processing topology...
Generated 1284 of the 1485 non-bonded parameter combinations
WARNING 1 [file "fad.top", line 128]:
 No default Bond types, using zeroes
WARNING 2 [file "fad.top", line 139]:
 No default Bond types, using zeroes
WARNING 3 [file "fad.top", line 141]:
 No default Bond types, using zeroes
WARNING 4 [file "fad.top", line 328]:
 No default Angle types, using zeroes
WARNING 5 [file "fad.top", line 329]:
 No default Angle types, using zeroes
WARNING 6 [file "fad.top", line 334]:
 No default Proper Dih. types, using zeroes
WARNING 7 [file "fad.top", line 336]:
 No default Proper Dih. types, using zeroes
WARNING 8 [file "fad.top", line 338]:
 No default Proper Dih. types, using zeroes
WARNING 9 [file "fad.top", line 341]:
 No default Proper Dih. types, using zeroes
WARNING 10 [file "fad.top", line 343]:
 No default Proper Dih. types, using zeroes
Cleaning up temporary file gromppLLm3l8
---
Program grompp, VERSION 3.3.1
Source code file: fatal.c, line: 416
Fatal error:
Too many warnings, grompp terminated
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Moreover , suppose if we want to use this program (grompp) for say, a 
molecule which has no entry in any .rtp file provided with Gromacs and we 
use the PRODRG server, then how to deal with the error "invalid  molecular 
directive type".


Kindly explain me regarding this error in detail, if you can spare some time 
for me.


If you want i can give the sample files for what i am trying to do.


Thanks


From: "merc mertens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: Discussion list for GROMACS users 
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] invalid order of directive moleule type
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 13:00:02 +0100

if i were you, i would rather adapt my pdb file to an existing forcefield 
as ffgmx, than trying to generate a new forcefield that fits to your pdb 
with prodrug. the first option seems much easier to me. what i mean is, if 
you change the names of you FAD atoms to the ones you see in the *rtp they 
will be recognized by pdb2gmx.


 Original-Nachricht 
Datum: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 11:35:47 +
Von: "harpreet singh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
An: gmx-users@gromacs.org
Betreff: [gmx-users] invalid order of directive moleule type

> Hi All,
> I am new to this package and want your help. I am trying to use GROMACS 
to
> study energy minimization and  molecular dynamics for FAD molecule.  I 
am

> having the following problems.
> 1. I tried to run pdb2gmx for  PDB file for FAD downloaded  from
> http://www.ebi.ac.uk/msd-srv/msdchem/cgi-bin/cgi.pl site.  and used the
> gromacs force field . The program  gave the following error: -
> Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/ffgmx.hdb
> Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/ffgmx-n.tdb
> Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/ffgmx-c.tdb
>
> Back Off! I just backed up fad_test.top to ./#fad_test.top.1#
> Processing chain 1 (53 atoms, 1 residues)
> There are 0 donors and 0 acceptors
> There are 0 hydrogen bonds
> ---
> Program pdb2gmx, VERSION 3.3.1
> Source code file: pdb2gmx.c, line: 393
> Fatal error:
> Atom O1P in residue FAD 1 not found in rtp entry with 61 atoms
>  while sorting atoms
> On comparing topology file (ffgmx.rtp) for FAD entry i was surpried to 
see
> that it has atom type enteries OP1, OP2 instead of O1P, O2P in 
downloaded

> PDB file (fad.pdb). Also atom type at  number 23 was O in ffgmx.rtp (for
> FAD) and O3P was missing in this file. I am attaching the files 
herewith.

>
> 2. I tried to make .top and .gro files  (fad92.top and fad.gro
> respectively)
> ,using PRODRG2 server.  and used them with grompp commad
>
> grompp -f  em.mdp -c fad92.gro -p fad92.top -o fad92.tpr
>
> This resulted in the following error.
>
> Back Off! I just backed up mdout.mdp to ./#mdout.mdp.7#
> checking input for internal consistency...
> calling /usr/bin/cpp...
> processing topology...
> Cleaning up temporary file gromppfYcUxi
> ---
> Program grompp, VERSION 3.3.1
> Source code file: topio.c, line: 388
>
> Fatal error:
> Invalid order for directive moleculetype, file ""fad92.top"", line 15
> ---
>
> "Oh, There Goes Gravity" (Eminem)
>
> Kindly guide me to solve this problem.
> Thanks in advance
>
> Harpreet Singh
>
> 

Re: [gmx-users] How to generate GRO and TOP file for high-number-atom polymer?

2006-11-08 Thread Tsjerk Wassenaar

Hi Wu Yanbin,

Define the polymer building block and add it to the residue database
file of your liking (ff*.rtp). Then you can use pdb2gmx to build the
topology of your polymer chain. Do take some time to understand the
.rtp file/entry format.

Best,

Tsjerk

On 11/8/06, WU Yanbin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi,
   Genearlly I generate GRO and TOP file for polymer using PRODRG. But
PRODRG does not work when the atom number of the polymer exceeds 300. So can
anyone recommend other software and method? Thanks.

 Yours Sincerely,

  WU
Yanbin



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Re: [gmx-users] What if the atom number exceed 99999 for Gromacs file?

2006-11-08 Thread Tsjerk Wassenaar

Hi,

Atom numbers in structure files are not used. Atoms read from a file
are given fresh numbers from 1 through N, where N is the total number
of atoms.

Best,

Tsjerk

On 11/9/06, Viswanadham Sridhara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I believe, It does not matter.


On 11/8/06, WU Yanbin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>  I built up a box of polymer with box size 20x20x20 and then solvate
the box with water using Genbox. Thus the total atom number exceeds 9
and I found that the atom number starts from zero when it exceeds 9.
Does it matter for the ongoing command "grompp" and "mdrun"? Thanks.
>
  Yours Sincerely,
>
   WU
Yanbin
>
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Re: [gmx-users] question about energy fluctuation

2006-11-08 Thread David van der Spoel

Mark Abraham wrote:

Qiao Baofu wrote:

Hi all,

After running a MD of a system with about 17000 atoms, I calculated 
the potential and the total-energy:


* 


Last frame read 1557952 time 1557.952

Statistics over 1557953 steps [ 0. thru 1557.9520 ps ], 2 data sets

Energy  Average   RMSD Fluct.  Drift  
Tot-Drift
--- 

Potential   -273047626.559611.258  -0.305998   
-476.731
Total-Energy-184656839.662828.307  -0.305999   
-476.731
* 



I found that the Fluct./Average is 0.45% (Total-Energy), 
0.22%(Potential). In the simulation, the time step is 0.001ps, and I 
saved the energy every step.
On the other hand, on page 98 of the book "Computer Simulation of 
Liquids" (M. P. Allen & D. J. Tildesley), it is said "For a simple 
Lennard-Jones system, fluctuation of order 1 part in 10^4 are 
generally considered to be acceptable." 


This book was written nearly 20 years ago, so take with a "grain of 
salt" its advice on "general acceptability".


Was this a simple Lennard-Jones system? If not, you are comparing apples 
and oranges anyway.


The book is fine, but limited to LJ systems. Therefore Mark's question 
is important.




The ratio obtained from Gromacs are quite bigger.  Therefore, I want 
to know if there are any standard for different system to check 
whether the system are accetable or not.



PS: Another question: I found only when the energy data are divided by 
the number of the molecules, the obtained result are consistent with 
the date in some related papers. In Gromacs, the unit of energy is 
KJ/mol. If divided by the number of molecules, how to consider the unit?


kJ/mol per molecule? :-P

The conversion is straightforward, but you may find it easier 
conceptually to convert your other sources into kJ/mol.


You can divide by the number of molecules using g_energy -nmol.
The reason GROMACS doesn't do it for you is that it is well defined only 
for monomolecular systems. The energy you get is hence kJ/mol system. 
Where system is your complete system, be it 125 argon atoms or a large 
biological complex.





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Re: [gmx-users] NPH simulation, constant enthalpy?

2006-11-08 Thread David van der Spoel

Adrien Leygue wrote:

Dear Gromacs users,

I have been trying to run an NPH (constant pressure and enthalpy)
simulation of a LJ fluid (as a first test) with GROMACS. From what I
understand (from the GROMACS manual and references therein), one can
do that by considering a Parrinello-Rahman pressure coupling (and no
thermostat).

However, when I compute the enthalpy a posteriori using g_energy, it
is far from constant and actually fluctuates a lot. But from the Nosé
& Klein paper (cited in the manual, in the section on pressure
coupling) it seems that I really should have a constant enthalpy,
except for small fluctuations (associated to the degrees of freedom of
the barostat, I believe).

So I'm probably missing something.

If anyone has ever tried similar simulations with Gromacs, I'd very
much like any input or advice you might have on what I might be doing
wrong.

Thanks a lot.

Adrien.

You should have constant total energy, not potential (and that is only 
if you have no artifacts due to cutoff etc.)


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Re: [gmx-users] question about energy fluctuation

2006-11-08 Thread Qiao Baofu
Thanks. 
but the g_energy -nmol can only give the Bond,Angle data divided by the
nmol, for the Proper-Dih. LJ, Coulomb, Potential, Total-Energy,
g_energy -nmol 981 gives the same result as without -nmol 981, in which
981 is the number of molecules.I am using Gromacs 3.3.1. You can divide by the number of molecules using g_energy -nmol.
The reason GROMACS doesn't do it for you is that it is well defined onlyfor monomolecular systems. The energy you get is hence kJ/mol system.Where system is your complete system, be it 125 argon atoms or a large
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