Re: [gentoo-user] Scanners, sane and driver support question

[Neil Bothwick]

On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 00:24:11 -0600, Dale wrote:

> >> Also, I plan to get a color laser printer later on. 
> >> From what I've read, they can last for many years and it's cheaper
> >> for the toner than all those cartridges etc for ink jets.   
> > I got a colour laser all-in-one, it's nearly 8 years old and not had
> > any problems with it. Would like to replace it for a double-sided
> > (print and scan) version though.  
> 
> Just curious, are there any good or bad brands to avoid?  I've tried to
> stick with HP for scanner.s/printers since they are usually supported,
> but not always. 

I bought an HP_Color (their spelling, not mine!) LaserJet MFP M476dw a
few years ago. It does duplex printing and scanning and just works. A
full set of toner cartridges isn't cheap, but they last well.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Do I BELIEVE in the Bible?! HELL man, I've SEEN one!!!


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Re: [gentoo-user] Scanners, sane and driver support question

[J. Roeleveld]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 7:24:11 AM CET Dale wrote:
> J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 11, 2018 11:07:23 PM CET Dale wrote:
> >> So, I wanted a stand alone scanner that I hope will last me a long
> >> time.  Plus, this scanner can do negatives and such with a adapter which
> >> I can get later.
> > 
> > I tried that once, the quality of the results was really bad. I ended up
> > borrowing a proper negative-scanner from a colleague. That was a
> > windows-only one, but the quality of the scans more than made up for
> > having to use that. (And using VirtualBox, I got better performance, eg.
> > scanspeed, than when using windows native)
> 
> I have to admit, I have very little negatives.  The ones I have may be
> so old they are not worth anything.  I tend to take better care of pics
> than negatives for some reason.  Still, as long as the scanner will give
> me several years of service, I'll be happy.  I just don't want a
> scanner/printer pile with only parts of each one working.  I don't have
> enough room as it is.  lol

Same here, which is why I was glad a colleague had one I could borrow.
Ran through the whole collection in 4 weeks (evenings) and no need to do it 
again.

> >> Also, I plan to get a color laser printer later on.
> >> From what I've read, they can last for many years and it's cheaper for
> >> the toner than all those cartridges etc for ink jets.
> > 
> > I got a colour laser all-in-one, it's nearly 8 years old and not had any
> > problems with it. Would like to replace it for a double-sided (print and
> > scan) version though.
> 
> Just curious, are there any good or bad brands to avoid?  I've tried to
> stick with HP for scanners/printers since they are usually supported,
> but not always. 

I never had driver issues with HP, so tend to stick with them.

> >> Now if someone local wanted to give me something that is like a fancy
> >> copy machine that prints, scans and maybe even washes dishes, I'd take
> >> it.  I'm not sure where I would put it but still.  ;-)
> > 
> > Try old office buildings, they do remove them as cost-saving exercises on
> > occasion, you might be able to pick one up? (you do have a big
> > car/van/truck to move it?)
> 
> I have a friend that has one.  I have one but need to get it running
> again.  Starter, radiator and a couple other issues to deal with. 
> Starter is the first hurdle tho. 

Had to think this through a few times. As we're talking about printer/
scanners, I was wondering what kind of beast has a starter and radiator...

> >> One thing I've figured out.  Cheaper on the front end, pay for it on the
> >> backend.  Pay a little more on the front end, more dependable and
> >> cheaper later on consumables.  Hey, at least I'm figuring it out.  lol
> > 
> > It's a hard lesson to learn, but once learned, it sticks. :)
> > 
> > --
> > Joost
> > 
> > PS. glad your mom is doing fine
> 
> Yep.  I've also learned that the more heads, usually the better plan. 
> That's why I have that other thread about storing all my videos.  Geez,
> I got a TON of videos.  If I started watching them 24/7, it would take
> me about 2 years to get through them all.  I'm adding to them quite often. 

You're going off-list for 2 years?

--
Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] Scanners, sane and driver support question

[Wols Lists]

On 12/11/18 08:36, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> I bought an HP_Color (their spelling, not mine!) LaserJet MFP M476dw a
> few years ago. It does duplex printing and scanning and just works. A
> full set of toner cartridges isn't cheap, but they last well.

Looking at the front of mine, it's a Color LaserJet Pro MFP M477fdn.

Nice beast, but a full set of cartridges costs more than the printer
did! I went for that over its cheaper brother because when I factored in
the extra life of the starter cartridges, that seemed to cover the extra
cost.

So far it looks good. Just two niggles - this machine is well
out-of-date so CUPS doesn't seem to know about this model, and for some
reason I've set up scanning for three accounts successfully, but the
fourth just doesn't want to work :-(

Again, went for HP because they seem solid and reliable. Used to have a
Dell, but it was a "get a free printer if you buy 3 sets of cartridges".
Very good deal but the first one broke before it used all its
cartridges, and its replacement (fortunately, used the same cartridges)
broke shortly after it had run through all the cartridges. So I thought
"sod it, go for an HP with maintenance etc".

Cheers,
Wol

[gentoo-user] Shorewall config problem

[Peter Humphrey]

Morning all,

When emerging shorewall-5.2.1.1 I get an error from the kernel settings check:

CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IPV4:   is not set when it should be.

This is with gentoo-sources-4.19.1. And indeed there is no such kernel 
parameter:

$ grep CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK /usr/src/linux/.config 
CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK=m   <<< Note
# CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_MARK is not set
CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_SECMARK=y
# CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_ZONES is not set
CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_PROCFS=y
# CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_EVENTS is not set
# CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_TIMEOUT is not set
# CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_TIMESTAMP is not set
# CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_LABELS is not set
# CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_AMANDA is not set
CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_FTP=m
# CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_H323 is not set
CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IRC=m
# CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_NETBIOS_NS is not set
# CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_SNMP is not set
# CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_PPTP is not set
# CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_SANE is not set
CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_SIP=m
# CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_TFTP is not set

On another box with gentoo sources 4.14.78 I get this:

$ grep CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IP /usr/src/linux/.config
CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IPV4=y
CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IPV6=y

So far I've been ignoring the error, assuming that the entry I've noted above 
now combines IPV4 and IPV6.

Does the panel think this is worth a bug report against shorewall?

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Shorewall config problem

[J. Roeleveld]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 11:11:52 AM CET Peter Humphrey wrote:
> Morning all,
> 
> When emerging shorewall-5.2.1.1 I get an error from the kernel settings
> check:
> 
> CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IPV4:   is not set when it should be.
> 
> This is with gentoo-sources-4.19.1. And indeed there is no such kernel
> parameter:
> 
> $ grep CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK /usr/src/linux/.config
> CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK=m <<< Note
> # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_MARK is not set
> CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_SECMARK=y
> # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_ZONES is not set
> CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_PROCFS=y
> # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_EVENTS is not set
> # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_TIMEOUT is not set
> # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_TIMESTAMP is not set
> # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_LABELS is not set
> # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_AMANDA is not set
> CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_FTP=m
> # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_H323 is not set
> CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IRC=m
> # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_NETBIOS_NS is not set
> # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_SNMP is not set
> # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_PPTP is not set
> # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_SANE is not set
> CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_SIP=m
> # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_TFTP is not set
> 
> On another box with gentoo sources 4.14.78 I get this:
> 
> $ grep CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IP /usr/src/linux/.config
> CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IPV4=y
> CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IPV6=y
> 
> So far I've been ignoring the error, assuming that the entry I've noted
> above now combines IPV4 and IPV6.
> 
> Does the panel think this is worth a bug report against shorewall?

Does it show up when you search for that config-item from within "make 
menuconfig"?
Not all config-items end up in the config-file, especially if pre-requisites 
are 
disabled themselves.

--
Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] Scanners, sane and driver support question

[Neil Bothwick]

On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 10:08:09 +, Wols Lists wrote:

> > I bought an HP_Color (their spelling, not mine!) LaserJet MFP M476dw a
> > few years ago. It does duplex printing and scanning and just works. A
> > full set of toner cartridges isn't cheap, but they last well.  
> 
> Looking at the front of mine, it's a Color LaserJet Pro MFP M477fdn.
> 
> Nice beast, but a full set of cartridges costs more than the printer
> did! I went for that over its cheaper brother because when I factored in
> the extra life of the starter cartridges, that seemed to cover the extra
> cost.

I paid abut £130 for a set of 5 cartridges (2 black) but that's the first
set of colour cartridges I've needed. In fact, I think I've only replaced
the yellow one so far (plus a couple of blacks). Most of my printing is
black text with the occasional colour illustration, rather than full
photo-style output.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Shorewall config problem

[Peter Humphrey]

On Monday, 12 November 2018 10:19:24 GMT J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On Monday, November 12, 2018 11:11:52 AM CET Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > Morning all,
> > 
> > When emerging shorewall-5.2.1.1 I get an error from the kernel settings
> > check:
> > 
> > CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IPV4:   is not set when it should be.
> > 
> > This is with gentoo-sources-4.19.1. And indeed there is no such kernel
> > parameter:
> > 
> > $ grep CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK /usr/src/linux/.config
> > CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK=m   <<< Note
> > # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_MARK is not set
> > CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_SECMARK=y
> > # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_ZONES is not set
> > CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_PROCFS=y
> > # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_EVENTS is not set
> > # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_TIMEOUT is not set
> > # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_TIMESTAMP is not set
> > # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_LABELS is not set
> > # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_AMANDA is not set
> > CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_FTP=m
> > # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_H323 is not set
> > CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IRC=m
> > # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_NETBIOS_NS is not set
> > # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_SNMP is not set
> > # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_PPTP is not set
> > # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_SANE is not set
> > CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_SIP=m
> > # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_TFTP is not set
> > 
> > On another box with gentoo sources 4.14.78 I get this:
> > 
> > $ grep CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IP /usr/src/linux/.config
> > CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IPV4=y
> > CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IPV6=y
> > 
> > So far I've been ignoring the error, assuming that the entry I've noted
> > above now combines IPV4 and IPV6.
> > 
> > Does the panel think this is worth a bug report against shorewall?
> 
> Does it show up when you search for that config-item from within "make
> menuconfig"?
> Not all config-items end up in the config-file, especially if pre-requisites
> are disabled themselves.

Nope.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Scanners, sane and driver support question

[Mick]

On Monday, 12 November 2018 10:52:58 GMT Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 10:08:09 +, Wols Lists wrote:
> > > I bought an HP_Color (their spelling, not mine!) LaserJet MFP M476dw a
> > > few years ago. It does duplex printing and scanning and just works. A
> > > full set of toner cartridges isn't cheap, but they last well.
> > 
> > Looking at the front of mine, it's a Color LaserJet Pro MFP M477fdn.
> > 
> > Nice beast, but a full set of cartridges costs more than the printer
> > did! I went for that over its cheaper brother because when I factored in
> > the extra life of the starter cartridges, that seemed to cover the extra
> > cost.
> 
> I paid abut £130 for a set of 5 cartridges (2 black) but that's the first
> set of colour cartridges I've needed. In fact, I think I've only replaced
> the yellow one so far (plus a couple of blacks). Most of my printing is
> black text with the occasional colour illustration, rather than full
> photo-style output.

For black & white plus the occasional colour print a laserjet printer is much 
more economical than an inkjet.  However, colour prints are not of the quality 
of an inkjet.  The problem I've had with inkjet is that the ink dries out 
unless used daily, the print heads clog up and as others have mentioned 
replacing them costs more than the printer.  With laserjet the cartidges last 
much longer and do not suffer from all the inkjet problems.

The whole inkjet business model relies on frequent replacement of OEM approved 
ink cartridges.  Dending on the make/model the calibration cycle (every time 
you power on the printer) wastes up to 75% of the ink in it.  There are 
cheaper ink cartridge replacements, but they do not always perform as well.  
You can also buy ink in a bottle and refill the cartridges, but the spray head 
wears out and the quality of the print soon deteriorates.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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[gentoo-user] Re: workaround for defective LOGITECH mouse.

[Grant Edwards]

On 2018-11-12, Alan Grimes  wrote:

> My over-expensive logitech mouse has a MAJOR switch "bounce" issue on
> button #0 and is double clicking about 45% of everything causing major
> pain here. Any workaround on the software side possible? ie "disregard
> event if < 15ms from previous."?

https://www.google.com/search?q=X11+config+double+click+time&oq=X11+config+double+click+time

-- 
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  at   new disco!
  gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Scanners, sane and driver support question

[Jack]

On 2018.11.12 05:08, Wols Lists wrote:

On 12/11/18 08:36, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> I bought an HP_Color (their spelling, not mine!) LaserJet MFP  
M476dw a
> few years ago. It does duplex printing and scanning and just works.  
A

> full set of toner cartridges isn't cheap, but they last well.

Looking at the front of mine, it's a Color LaserJet Pro MFP M477fdn.

Nice beast, but a full set of cartridges costs more than the printer
did! I went for that over its cheaper brother because when I factored  
in
the extra life of the starter cartridges, that seemed to cover the  
extra

cost.

So far it looks good. Just two niggles - this machine is well
out-of-date so CUPS doesn't seem to know about this model, and for  
some

reason I've set up scanning for three accounts successfully, but the
fourth just doesn't want to work :-(
Have you tried installing hplip?  It seems to have more models covered  
than the basic CUPS or even gutenprint.


Again, went for HP because they seem solid and reliable. Used to have  
a
Dell, but it was a "get a free printer if you buy 3 sets of  
cartridges".

Very good deal but the first one broke before it used all its
cartridges, and its replacement (fortunately, used the same  
cartridges)
broke shortly after it had run through all the cartridges. So I  
thought

"sod it, go for an HP with maintenance etc".

Cheers,
Wol

Re: [gentoo-user] Scanners, sane and driver support question

[Wol's lists]

On 12/11/2018 14:34, Mick wrote:

The problem I've had with inkjet is that the ink dries out
unless used daily, the print heads clog up and as others have mentioned
replacing them costs more than the printer.


Hang on a sec, I was talking about a *LASER*! £350 for the printer, 
£400+ for a set of cartridges.


And my last two lasers were "free with 3 sets of toners" so again the 
toners cost more than the printer :-)


Okay compatible cartridges are a lot cheaper (I could get a complete set 
for about £100), but I suspect my next set of cartridges at least will 
be genuine HP. Provided I use only HP my printer is warrantied for three 
years, and I suspect that by the time I've used that first set of 
replacement cartridges, the three years will be up :-)


(Still, I can't complain, the first laserjet I bought (for a company) 
cost £3000.) I think if you buy genuine manufacturer cartridges, it's 
typical for laser toners to cost similar (or more) than the printer, but 
you do get a lot more pages to a set of toners, than a set of inks.


Cheers,
Wol

Re: [gentoo-user] Shorewall config problem

[Adam Carter]

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 9:11 PM Peter Humphrey 
wrote:

> Morning all,
>
> When emerging shorewall-5.2.1.1 I get an error from the kernel settings
> check:
>
> CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IPV4:   is not set when it should be.
>
> This is with gentoo-sources-4.19.1. And indeed there is no such kernel
> parameter:
>

 Yep, grepped my .config archive and its gone in 4.19 so the shorewall
ebuild (at least) will need an update. Checked bugzilla?

Re: [gentoo-user] Shorewall config problem

[Bill Kenworthy]

On 13/11/18 12:09 pm, Adam Carter wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 9:11 PM Peter Humphrey  > wrote:
>
> Morning all,
>
> When emerging shorewall-5.2.1.1 I get an error from the kernel
> settings check:
>
> CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IPV4:   is not set when it should be.
>
> This is with gentoo-sources-4.19.1. And indeed there is no such
> kernel
> parameter:
>
>
>  Yep, grepped my .config archive and its gone in 4.19 so the shorewall
> ebuild (at least) will need an update. Checked bugzilla?


Grepping .config will only work sometimes - If its enabled it will be
there, if not it "may or may not be"

Only sure way that I am aware of is to use the search function "\" from
within make menuconfig.


Bill K.