Re: [gentoo-dev] Distcc and SLP - request for testing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ned Ludd wrote: | On Sun, 2005-11-20 at 14:45 -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote: |>Our policy for X is that if upstream won't accept it, we won't either. |>Perhaps you'd be interested in adopting that and convincing the reported |>to get upstream interested? | | | Your policy for X is somewhat questionable Donnie as it puts us in a | catch 22. You wont accept patches unless they came from upstream and | upstream wants some testing or to put it off till a later date..It's a | continuing heartache dealing with X when something could of been fixed | months ago. Upstream CVS is the location for testing, not distros. Distributions should have a _more_ stable version of packages than unreleased CVS, not less. In addition, we're in the business of packaging source, not maintaining source. Taking on maintainance of all the source we package is unrealistic and is not why I do Gentoo. Thanks, Donnie -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDgYelXVaO67S1rtsRAq6lAJ9aINu0FvPT9k+gYYXeRinsm6Ua/ACfb2bD yKSOWhYljy2aCMVOfz0aaRo= =nsW6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Dropping phpgroupware from the Portage tree
Stuart Herbert wrote: > I've just masked the package 'www-apps/phpgroupware', and will be > dropping it from the tree soon. There are a number of issues with the > project, including: > > * Outstanding security bugs > * Upstream homepage no longer available > * No real releases in over a year FYI, I just received the following from Dave Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : > Hi all, > > You are encouraged to update to the latest version of phpGroupWare - > 0.9.16.009. The release contains several major bug fixes as well as > some important security fixes. > > You can grab the new version from - > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=7305 > > Or update from cvs > $ cd /path/to/phpgroupware > $ export CVS_RSH=ssh > $ cvs update -dP > > Changelog is as follows: > > Fixes for the following security issues: > * phpSysInfo > - XSS CVE-2005-0870 > - arbitrary file inclusion CVE-2005-3347 > - anti XSS measure CVE-2005-3348 > * FUDForum > - arbitary code execution SA16627 > > Major bug fixes: > - LDAP account returns only phpGroupWare accounts > - accounts list pages and sorts properly > - Next account id is properly generated > - First group shows properly in ACL manager > - Calendar footer now shows again > - Calendar alarms can be set, editted and viewed > - Fix apps to work with anti XSS code from 007/8 > - News Admin > - Sitemgr > > Additional languages and translated phrases > > We hope to have our website back up and running in the 24hours, so for > the inconvenience this may be causing people. > > Cheers > Dave So it looks like it's still maintained and the homepage problem is temporary... -- Koon -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Distcc and SLP - request for testing
On Sun, Nov 20, 2005 at 02:45:41PM -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Our policy for X is that if upstream won't accept it, we won't either. > Perhaps you'd be interested in adopting that and convincing the reported > to get upstream interested? The mobile herd has the same policy. Of course, simple build related bugs can be fixed without having the patch accepted by upstream first, but stuff like new feature should be pushed upstream (and accepted) before being accepted in the ebuilds maintained by the mobile herd. Regards, Brix -- Henrik Brix Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo Metadistribution | Mobile computing herd pgpNpmKiA0O54.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] the upcoming ppp ebuild need to remove files from /etc
On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 08:35:35AM +0200, Alin Nastac wrote: > The new ppp ebuild should erase /etc/conf.d/net.ppp0 and > /etc/init.d/net.ppp0 installed by previous versions of net-dialup/ppp. > The upcoming sys-apps/baselayout-1.12.0_pre11 will be able to handle any > kind of PPP links. > > What would be the best way of doing this? Instruct the user to erase them and create the symlinks instead in pkg_postinst()? Regards, Brix -- Henrik Brix Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo Metadistribution | Mobile computing herd pgpKq6jcEUWHF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] status of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org
On Monday 21 November 2005 08:18, Curtis Napier wrote: > This has been cross posted to gentoo-dev and www-redesign. > If you have access to a Macintosh, Windows, *BSD or any other OS or > Browser please test the site and include your OS and the browser version > in your feedback. I haven't received feedback from Konqueror or Safari > so feedback from those browsers would be much appreciated. Looking good with Konqueror 3.4.1 I think koon bugged you about a few security project issues. -- Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen (Jaervosz) Operational Manager Gentoo Linux Security Team http://security.gentoo.org -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] status of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org
Curtis Napier wrote: > This has been cross posted to gentoo-dev and www-redesign. > > http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org > > After receiving a ton of very useful feedback from the developer > community I have updated the redesign. It should now be closer to 100% > accessible and it should (hopefully) render perfectly in all browsers > including text only browsers. It now passes XHTML and CSS validation > tests. > > I'm asking for everyone (developers and users alike) to please have a > look at the updated site and send any feedback you may have. I'm > especially interested in feedback from anyone who uses accessibilty > programs such as screen readers or if you are color blind or have any > other accessibilty issues. > > Also, I only use GNU/Linux and I have only tested on the following > browsers: > > Mozilla-1.7 > firefox-1.0 > Opera-8.5 > Internet Explorer-6 under CrossOver Office > Epiphany-1.8.2 > Links-2.1 in text mode and graphics mode. > > If you have access to a Macintosh, Windows, *BSD or any other OS or > Browser please test the site and include your OS and the browser > version in your feedback. I haven't received feedback from Konqueror > or Safari so feedback from those browsers would be much appreciated. > > The only major outstanding issue is the contents of the menu in the > grey bar at the top and what should appear in the 5 purple boxes > directly under them. Currently I have that menu listed in order of > what a new Gentoo user would need to access first. If you have a > better idea of what should be included in this menu or think something > important is being left out please send that in your feedback as well. > > Thanks in advance > > Curtis Hi, it shouldn't be a big surprise, but it renders fine with both firefox-1.5-rc1 (Deer Park) and lynx-2.8.5, on a gentoo/linux box. Regards, Alexandre -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] Email subdomain
On Saturday 19 November 2005 00:34, Jakub Moc wrote: > +1 on this, and please don't touch bugzie aliases, there's enough mess as > it is (postgresl herd - [EMAIL PROTECTED]; apache herd - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - > [EMAIL PROTECTED]) If you want to do something useful, then please check > that you have existing alias in metadata.xml for the ebuilds that you are > maintaining (to name a few: qt, secure-tunneling or comm-fax is NOT an > existing alias on bugzilla). And while you're at it, also set the alias for your herd in the herds.xml file. That's where the authoritive mapping is. Paul ps. If [EMAIL PROTECTED] doesn't exist that is broken, as it's even announced in the herds file. -- Paul de Vrieze Gentoo Developer Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net pgpcoXu2j5lAk.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Email subdomain
On Friday 18 November 2005 18:09, Homer Parker wrote: > Now that GLEP 41 (AT/HT) has passed, we need to designate a subdomain > for their email. This will cover AT/HT's as well as forum help, so needs > to be generic. So to start with let me throw a couple out: > > @staff.g.o > @assist.g.o > > Thoughts, better ideas appreciated. Why not just @at.gentoo.org Makes clear what it is. Arch testers are not staff. Not that we have any staff. Paul -- Paul de Vrieze Gentoo Developer Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net pgprfkaSGgFW6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Distcc and SLP - request for testing
On Monday 21 November 2005 09:39, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Ned Ludd wrote: > | On Sun, 2005-11-20 at 14:45 -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > |>Our policy for X is that if upstream won't accept it, we won't either. > |>Perhaps you'd be interested in adopting that and convincing the reported > |>to get upstream interested? > | > | Your policy for X is somewhat questionable Donnie as it puts us in a > | catch 22. You wont accept patches unless they came from upstream and > | upstream wants some testing or to put it off till a later date..It's a > | continuing heartache dealing with X when something could of been fixed > | months ago. > > Upstream CVS is the location for testing, not distros. Distributions > should have a _more_ stable version of packages than unreleased CVS, not > less. > > In addition, we're in the business of packaging source, not maintaining > source. Taking on maintainance of all the source we package is > unrealistic and is not why I do Gentoo. I think one should look at this as there being three kinds of patches: - Those that add new features. If they are not upstream maintained they don't belong in the tree. - Those that fix bugs. If the bugs are real and the patches are reasonable in quality and fix the bugs they help the users make things work. - Those that do a mix of things. Only in extreme cases useful, but in general should be split out into the specific things they do. Paul -- Paul de Vrieze Gentoo Developer Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net pgpy9DYpn1xAc.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: status of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org
Curtis Napier posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Mon, 21 Nov 2005 02:18:21 -0500: > http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org > > Also, I only use GNU/Linux and I have only tested on the following > browsers: > > Mozilla-1.7 > firefox-1.0 > Opera-8.5 > Internet Explorer-6 under CrossOver Office > Epiphany-1.8.2 > Links-2.1 in text mode and graphics mode. > > If you have access to a Macintosh, Windows, *BSD or any other OS or > Browser please test the site and include your OS and the browser version > in your feedback. I haven't received feedback from Konqueror or Safari > so feedback from those browsers would be much appreciated. > > The only major outstanding issue is the contents of the menu in the grey > bar at the top and what should appear in the 5 purple boxes directly > under them. Currently I have that menu listed in order of what a new > Gentoo user would need to access first. If you have a better idea of > what should be included in this menu or think something important is > being left out please send that in your feedback as well. You mention links but not lynx. I tried it in both lynx and links/text mode. It's quite impressive in lynx, due to the colors, and decent in links (but you knew that already). The following is pointed out *NOT* claiming that I'm a web dev, or could do any better (or even close to as good). However, as a browser user who has had to educate himself a bit due to author assumptions about defaults that don't always hold. and because you /asked/. =8^) * Set the base tag. I sometimes save web pages for my own use, and like them to work when I do. Adding a tag would be very useful, here. Without it, saving just the HTML to disk breaks the page rather drastically, because it can't find the CSS and images, as they are relative links. Good to have the links relative; good the formatting is separated from the content to the degree the page breaks without the CSS; bad that there's no base href tag to "unbreak" things when the html page gets viewed on its own. * (This may be an inheritance issue. I didn't check full inheritance but I'm using Konqueror, so if it's an inheritance bug, that's what it's in.) You don't set background color for ads/ads-main or jumppad-main. What happens if a user's preferences are dark backgrounds, light text? - The ad links don't show up, for one thing, because they are set dark and become almost invisible on a dark background. (Browser's link color settings, a foreground item, overruled, without overruling bg prefs, not good when they happen to be almost the same color! - The individual jumppads have bg set (good), so the text shows up there, but they appear contrasted against a dark background, as jumppad-main doesn't set bg, which doesn't look so good. - The content column, with bg set to white, contrasts very sharply with the ad column. - Generally useful rule -- if you muck about with changing some colors from the user's/browser's defaults, change both background and foreground, and consider what the effect will be with both light and dark defaults, for anything you do /not/ specifically set. Try viewing the page in a browser set to light text on dark background, and dark text on light background, as the defaults, to be sure. (It's amazing the number of sites that get this wrong, setting one but not the other on some or all elemets, or fail to set bgcolor when a bgimage is set, for those who don't surf with images turned on.) * Consider the effects of different user/browser font sizes. Here, the white text in the purple boxes (Why Gentoo section) ran into the gray bottom border at my default text size. Scrolling text size up, to where it'd be if I were sight impaired, ran the white text from that area into the white background area below. (Scrolling text size down, it fit into the boxes nicely and was indeed very attractive, so I see the effect you are going for.) Perhaps make those images, so the font size is constant with reference to the boxes intended to contain it? (You'd then set alt tags for those not viewing images, of course.) * I like the jumppad images! That's quite impressive and professional looking, something I'd be proud to show others who know I run Gentoo! * Consider making the "Why Choose Gentoo?" section question visible (something other than display=none). IMO, that would add meaning to the features bullet-pointed in the purple boxes. Maybe make that a purple-background header above that section? * Entirely personal preference: I don't happen to like what I'd call puke-yellow-green (#83b300), but that's just me. I'd prefer either a stronger yellow or a stronger green (or would choose a dark cyan, similar to the background of the phparchitect ad, for the white backgrounded stuff, and a lighter cyan similar to that of the sevenl ad, for the dark backgrounded stuff). Purple is cool, tho! =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord,
Re: [gentoo-dev] the upcoming ppp ebuild need to remove files from /etc
Alin Nastac wrote:
> Hi gang,
>
> The new ppp ebuild should erase /etc/conf.d/net.ppp0 and
> /etc/init.d/net.ppp0 installed by previous versions of net-dialup/ppp.
> The upcoming sys-apps/baselayout-1.12.0_pre11 will be able to handle any
> kind of PPP links.
>
> What would be the best way of doing this?
I suggest you install dummy files.
start() {
einfo "This init script is deprecated and you can"
einfo "safely remove it from the default runlevel."
}
Also when doing etc-update/dispatch-conf over the conf.d file users will
see that the file is deprecated. Then you can just drop installing the
files in the next version.
Regards,
Petteri
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Re: [gentoo-dev] status of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org
On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 02:18:21AM -0500, Curtis Napier wrote: > If you have access to a Macintosh, Windows, *BSD or any other OS or > Browser please test the site and include your OS and the browser version > in your feedback. I haven't received feedback from Konqueror or Safari > so feedback from those browsers would be much appreciated. With IE 5 for Mac, the top bar looks messed up: http://dev.gentoo.org/~truedfx/ie5mac.png I haven't looked for a way to get it displayed right yet; if I find something before you do, I'll let you know :) pgpczS2ZVLcIP.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: implementation details for GLEP 41
Ciaran McCreesh posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:57:49 +: > On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 07:49:11 -0700 Lares Moreau > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | On Sun, 2005-11-20 at 04:29 -0700, Duncan wrote: > | > If the capacity is there, go RAID6 (dual parity RAID5, so two > | > drives can drop out without the thing dieing) with a hot-spare as > | > well, so threex146GB usable. > | > | Is RAID6 production ready? > > RAID6 was only invented because a certain large hardware manufacturer > shipped a bunch of duff disks in one of its drive arrays. In practice > it's not necessary, because if you're taking the kind of damage that > kills multiple drives over a short period then you're going to lose > more than two drives anyway. There's another advantage as well. Single disk failure is common enough to be worrying about or raid5 wouldn't be in consideration. I'm certainly no expert, but from from my research previous to installing here, it is said that raid6 in single failure mode maintains speed, while a raid5 with hot-spare would be responding far slower during the same time, as it brought the hot-spare online and did the rebuild. Thus, if one is going to bother with the hot-spare in the first place, rather than just run the raid5 in degraded mode until a spare can be procured and installed, one might as well put that hot-spare to use making the raid5 a raid6, both protecting against the corner-case of a short-period compound failure, AND maintaining speed during a simple failure. Of course, if that speed maintenance is a a critical factor, then one would hot-spare the raid6 as well, so non-degraded operation could be resumed ASAP, thus again allowing a single failure without degrading speed. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman in http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/12/22/rms_interview.html -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] status of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 02:18:21 -0500 Curtis Napier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm asking for everyone (developers and users alike) to please > have a look at the updated site and send any feedback you may > have. Firefox-1.0.7 here, on a 1024x768 screen, and i think there is too much wasted space. Since i'm not new to Gentoo, when i go to the front page it's either to follow link to the doc or to read news. The former is fine, but the later is not (news are the last ~10% of what i see): http://tdegreni.free.fr/gentoo/redesign_gentoo_org.png I'm not good at HTML things so i can't send a patch, but I think the vertical size of the information boxes on top should be only what is needed for the text to fit, and not the background image size or whatever else it is at the moment. And also, there should be much less white space before the real contents starts. Modified in Gimp, it would more looks like that: http://tdegreni.free.fr/gentoo/redesign_gentoo_org_fixed.png Oh, and also, i don't really like the "Get Gentoo and compile software optimaly for your architecture" slogan. Not that it's completly wrong, but my experience with new users on forums is that those who came to Gentoo mainly for that reason are usualy disapointed. I would rather see something about system customization in general (i mean, not only CFLAGS but also USE flag et al., which is much more interresting). Something like "Get Gentoo and make your own « sur mesure » system.", but i don't know how to translate "sur mesure" from french to english. -- TGL. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] status of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org
Good job! Shows nice on Firefox 1.0.7, Opera 8.5 and Konqueror 3.4.1! I don't know if you are accepting suggestions, but I have a few "usability" ones: - The top blue bar(s) is too much big. In a 1024x768 screen it takes almost half the showing page. Maybe decreasing the size of the "second" bar (the one with detailed BG) and it's contents can be helpful. There are lots of empty spaces inside this bars. - The bottom menus are very nice but I think they are in the wrong place. The natural human being will search for all the site menu items on the top or "first" page (without scrolling). The rule in this case is to put all menu items in one place, or, if this items need to be separated, so organize and group related items. "Docs" in the top then "documentation" right bellow and "Documentation" on the bottom again is a waist of space, don't you think? That was just a few suggestions. Sorry for my "english" writing. It's not my native language. Thanks! Herbert2005/11/21, Curtis Napier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: This has been cross posted to gentoo-dev and www-redesign.http://wwwredesign.gentoo.orgAfter receiving a ton of very useful feedback from the developercommunity I have updated the redesign. It should now be closer to 100% accessible and it should (hopefully) render perfectly in all browsersincluding text only browsers. It now passes XHTML and CSS validation tests.I'm asking for everyone (developers and users alike) to please have a look at the updated site and send any feedback you may have. I'mespecially interested in feedback from anyone who uses accessibiltyprograms such as screen readers or if you are color blind or have anyother accessibilty issues. Also, I only use GNU/Linux and I have only tested on the following browsers:Mozilla-1.7firefox-1.0Opera-8.5Internet Explorer-6 under CrossOver OfficeEpiphany-1.8.2Links-2.1 in text mode and graphics mode. If you have access to a Macintosh, Windows, *BSD or any other OS orBrowser please test the site and include your OS and the browser versionin your feedback. I haven't received feedback from Konqueror or Safari so feedback from those browsers would be much appreciated.The only major outstanding issue is the contents of the menu in the greybar at the top and what should appear in the 5 purple boxes directlyunder them. Currently I have that menu listed in order of what a new Gentoo user would need to access first. If you have a better idea ofwhat should be included in this menu or think something important isbeing left out please send that in your feedback as well.Thanks in advance Curtis--gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] status of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org
21.11.2005, 13:23:29, Herbert G. Fischer wrote: > Good job! > - The bottom menus are very nice but I think they are in the wrong place. > The natural human being will search for all the site menu items on the top or > "first" page (without scrolling). The rule in this case is to put all menu > items in one place, or, if this items need to be separated, so organize and > group related items. "Docs" in the top then "documentation" right bellow and > "Documentation" on the bottom again is a waist of space, don't you think? Well, I would like to see them on the left (and really could live without those illustrative pics accompanying them, but that's just me. ;) -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717 D5FD CEBA 3D9E ... still no signature ;) pgpmAujfzog05.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: aging ebuilds with unstable keywords
R Hill wrote: > Daniel Ahlberg wrote: > > >>* if ebuild installs COPYING and/or INSTALL into doc. > > > Is this actually important? There are a hell of a lot of ebuilds that fail > under this rule. I'd like to start filing patches for some of the packages in > this list so I'm interested in knowing what's worth fixing and what's being > pedantic. > Not a blocker but just useless. Filing patches for ebuilds doing this is greatly appreciated by at least me. Regards, Petteri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] status of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org
051121 Thomas de Grenier de Latour wrote: > I would rather see something about system customization in general, > not only CFLAGS but also USE flag et al, which is much more interresting. > Something like "Get Gentoo and make your own « sur mesure » system", > but i don't know how to translate "sur mesure" from french to english. 'custom-made' or perhaps 'home-brewed'. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Frozen Bacula??
Hi, I'm looking forward to use Bacula 1.38.1 that was released last week but not even 1.38.0 that was released 31 october 2005 has an ebuild yet. There is some problem with it? It's abandoned? Please let me know if you need help on this ebuild. I don't know how to create an ebuild and include it on the Gentoo Portage but I'm interested in using Bacula 1.38.1 because of it's newest aditions. Regards, Herbert
Re: [gentoo-dev] status of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org
> Firefox-1.0.7 here, on a 1024x768 screen, and i think there is too > much wasted space. Since i'm not new to Gentoo, when i go to the > front page it's either to follow link to the doc or to read news. > The former is fine, but the later is not (news are the last ~10% of > what i see): > http://tdegreni.free.fr/gentoo/redesign_gentoo_org.png Seems like the amount of wasted space grows when fonts size is _reduced_. I'm no sure why/how such a thing is possible, but for sure it's something that has to be fixed in order to obtain suitable layouts for a wider set of firefox settings. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Frozen Bacula??
21.11.2005, 14:22:39, Herbert G. Fischer wrote: > Hi, > I'm looking forward to use Bacula 1.38.1 that was released last week but > not even 1.38.0 that was released 31 october 2005 has an ebuild yet. There is > some problem with it? It's abandoned? > Please let me know if you need help on this ebuild. I don't know how to > create an ebuild and include it on the Gentoo Portage but I'm interested in > using Bacula 1.38.1 because of it's newest aditions. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=111677 -- jakub pgpYc8OswYHKK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] status of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org
Curtis Napier пишет: > If you have access to a Macintosh, Windows, *BSD or any other OS or > Browser please test the site and include your OS and the browser > version in your feedback. I haven't received feedback from Konqueror > or Safari so feedback from those browsers would be much appreciated. > > The only major outstanding issue is the contents of the menu in the > grey bar at the top and what should appear in the 5 purple boxes > directly under them. Currently I have that menu listed in order of > what a new Gentoo user would need to access first. If you have a > better idea of what should be included in this menu or think something > important is being left out please send that in your feedback as well. > > Thanks in advance > > Curtis Hi Curtis, First of all, thank you for the impressive new design. I really like it! Technically (@Windows XP SP2 RUS, 1024x768): Firefox 1.0.7 Rus -- OK Opera 8.5 Rus -- OK MSIE 6 Rus -- OK Some issues to discuss: 1. Why is the gentoo logo changed this way? From (my) designer's point of view, either an infinity sign or Gentoo 'g' is redundant and unnecessary. 2. The dark grey table borders at documentation view and print pages are too 'rough' compared to rather light overall site design. Could you change them to something more 'airy'? 3. It is, imho, great moment to implement some i18n together with site redesign. Many of us, i18n teams, have to 'clone' and maintain extensive community sites just to bypass artificial English-only w.g.o front page limitation. I think, it is reducing the amount of international Gentoo newbies. Did you consider to take part in the GLEP10 implementation? WKR, Alexey Chumakov GDP Russian Internationalization Lead -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] status of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org
Lance Albertson wrote: Curtis Napier wrote: If you have access to a Macintosh, Windows, *BSD or any other OS or Browser please test the site and include your OS and the browser version in your feedback. I haven't received feedback from Konqueror or Safari so feedback from those browsers would be much appreciated. Visually, the light grey color for the main text makes it a bit harder to read the instructions. Any reason why you couldn't use black or a darker color for the text? To me that text is the most important part of our site and if we can't read that well, we have a problem :-). That was the most glaring thing I could see first off. I'll have to dig through the site more later. Cheers- Besides this suggestion, haven't you tried the light-purple/yellow background i talked to you about? -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] status of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org
On Monday 21 November 2005 14:24, Gim wrote: > Seems like the amount of wasted space grows when fonts size is _reduced_. > I'm no sure why/how such a thing is possible, but for sure it's something > that has to be fixed in order to obtain suitable layouts for a wider set > of firefox settings. I think the problem is in the sponsors column on the right. The news at the centre of the page are centred with the column, and as the column is higher than the news, it's that to choose the size of the page itself. When you reduce the fonts, the size of the images is still fixed, so the height of the column changes of a little bit, while the news gets smaller again. -- Diego "Flameeyes" Pettenò - http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/ Gentoo/ALT lead, Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, AMD64, Sound, PAM, KDE pgpfbvLYkHprw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] status of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org
Lance Albertson wrote: > Curtis Napier wrote: > > >>If you have access to a Macintosh, Windows, *BSD or any other OS or >>Browser please test the site and include your OS and the browser version >>in your feedback. I haven't received feedback from Konqueror or Safari >>so feedback from those browsers would be much appreciated. > > > Visually, the light grey color for the main text makes it a bit harder > to read the instructions. Any reason why you couldn't use black or a > darker color for the text? To me that text is the most important part of > our site and if we can't read that well, we have a problem :-). > I have the same consern. I use a TFT-display (Dell 2005FPW) that has a quite bright back light which might be the cause of the light colors being hard to read. Regards, Petteri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] status of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org
> I have the same consern. I use a TFT-display (Dell 2005FPW) that has a > quite bright back light which might be the cause of the light colors > being hard to read. Petteri, I have that same display. I turn the brightness down to 40%, since it's way too bright at the default 100%. Cheers, Aaron Kulbe a.k.a. SuperLag -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] opinion on how to improve the website redesign
- the 'about' blurb has way too much vertical spacing == wasted - the ad bar on the left should be thrown behind a purple bar like the current site does ... it helps the user visually tune the space out as crap they can safely ignore (at least it helps me) - can we cut out the ads alogether for known textmode browsers ? - the bar at the top which blathers on about what Gentoo has to offer i could do without completely (imo, you can read the About page) - if people insist on keeping the aforementioned bar which proclaims Gentoo's strengths, can we at least tighten up all the wasted vertical space on it ? - the links in the site index thingies at the bottom dont have mouse over behavior like the other links - the 'gentoo' text in the upper left of the page should use the cool red bubble letters [1] ... or at least drop the infinity sign ... yeah, the infinity sign is cool, but since it is in such a 'high profile' location like that, it makes people think of it as a new logo [1] http://www.gentoo.org/images/gentoo-new.gif - the little pic of larry the cow ... could we get some tiny text under his head that says 'Larry' ? - wheres the ufo guy [2] ? at least hide him in the bottom left corner of the page ... it'd keep with the mysterious nature of the fellow [2] http://www.gentoo.org/images/gridtest.gif -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two
This feature should only be used for things that are directly related to the tree, and will cause mass breakage if ignored.I fully agree with this statement. I am behind the adoption of the GLEP only if it does what (I originally believed) was its purpose...to get CRITICAL news regarding package upgrades..etc. If a user wants to know what's going on with the developers..they can subscribe to this -dev list. If a user wants to know how to NOT break his system by performing an 'emerge -u world' portage should tell them. -- Mint ShowsOffice of Information TechnologyUniversity of Mississippi[EMAIL PROTECTED](662) 915-5222
Re: [gentoo-dev] opinion on how to improve the website redesign
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:09:55 + Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - the bar at the top which blathers on about what Gentoo has to > offer i could do without completely (imo, you can read the About > page) What about keeping it on front page only? (with the vertical size issue fixed sure) -- TGL. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] opinion on how to improve the website redesign
On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 03:49:42PM +0100, Thomas de Grenier de Latour wrote: > On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:09:55 + > Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > - the bar at the top which blathers on about what Gentoo has to > > offer i could do without completely (imo, you can read the About > > page) > > What about keeping it on front page only? (with the vertical size > issue fixed sure) that'd be much better than the current situation -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] status of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org
On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 07:49 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: > 051121 Thomas de Grenier de Latour wrote: > > I would rather see something about system customization in general, > > not only CFLAGS but also USE flag et al, which is much more interresting. > > Something like "Get Gentoo and make your own « sur mesure » system", > > but i don't know how to translate "sur mesure" from french to english. > > 'custom-made' or perhaps 'home-brewed'. > 'made-to-order' -- Lares Moreau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | LRU: 400755 http://counter.li.org lares/irc.freenode.net | Gentoo x86 Arch Tester | ::0 Alberta, Canada Public Key: 0D46BB6E @ subkeys.pgp.net | Encrypted Mail Preferred Key fingerprint = 0CA3 E40D F897 7709 3628 C5D4 7D94 483E 0D46 BB6E signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] opinion on how to improve the website redesign
Vapier wrote: [Mon Nov 21 2005, 08:09:55AM CST] > - wheres the ufo guy [2] ? at least hide him in the bottom left > corner of the page ... it'd keep with the mysterious nature of the > fellow > [2] http://www.gentoo.org/images/gridtest.gif Drobbins wanted to hang on to Znurt when he left. You're welcome to ask his permission to use it on the new site, as he might have changed his mind since then. -g2boojum- -- Grant Goodyear Gentoo Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gentoo.org/~g2boojum GPG Fingerprint: D706 9802 1663 DEF5 81B0 9573 A6DC 7152 E0F6 5B76 pgpWEm5641oRJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] status of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org
Aaron Kulbe wrote: >>I have the same consern. I use a TFT-display (Dell 2005FPW) that has a >>quite bright back light which might be the cause of the light colors >>being hard to read. > > > Petteri, > > I have that same display. I turn the brightness down to 40%, since > it's way too bright at the default 100%. > I had it at 80. Considering that many people use their displays at factory settings and that the TFT:s that I have seen are usually set very bright this should be taken into consideration. I like my display quite bright because it is easier to work in the dark... *grin* Regards, Petteri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] status of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org
I don't know if the contents are supposed to be the 'live' website data, but, after scrolling down to the nice link tables at the bottom, clicking on GLEPs, the info is outdated. Only up to GLEP 38. Don't know if that is what you are looking for? Later Days -- Lares Moreau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | LRU: 400755 http://counter.li.org lares/irc.freenode.net | Gentoo x86 Arch Tester | ::0 Alberta, Canada Public Key: 0D46BB6E @ subkeys.pgp.net | Encrypted Mail Preferred Key fingerprint = 0CA3 E40D F897 7709 3628 C5D4 7D94 483E 0D46 BB6E signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] status of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org
On Monday 21 of November 2005 16:08 Lares Moreau wrote: > I don't know if the contents are supposed to be the 'live' website data, > but, after scrolling down to the nice link tables at the bottom, > clicking on GLEPs, the info is outdated. Only up to GLEP 38. > > Don't know if that is what you are looking for? Nope, it's an outdated snapshot. Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth pgpVCnK0CuWAr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] opinion on how to improve the website redesign
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:09:55 + Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | - the 'gentoo' text in the upper left of the page should use the cool | red bubble letters [1] ... or at least drop the infinity sign ... | yeah, the infinity sign is cool, but since it is in such a 'high | profile' location like that, it makes people think of it as a new logo The infinity design makes us look like a bunch of ricers. Kill it! -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Look! Shiny things!) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] opinion on how to improve the website redesign
On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 05:24:06PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > The infinity design makes us look like a bunch of ricers. Kill it! I couldn't agree more. ./Brix -- Henrik Brix Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo Metadistribution | Mobile computing herd pgpAeXf0OU21z.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Last rites for media-video/helixplayer
After realplayer the last week, also helixplayer is pending removal from the tree. HelixPlayer, opensource player developed by Real and somewhat similar to RealPlayer has a bad history of security vulnerabilities and it's still vulnerable to a security issue (1.0.6 is out but still missing an ebuild). As the maintainership of this package is difficult, and the package by itself is a bit of a mess (for example it does only build fine on x86, no way it can work on amd64 or other platforms AFAICS), I've masked it and it's pending removal in 24h. As the release of 2.0 version is imminent [1], and that version *might* work better on non-x86 arches, the media-video herd reserve the possibility of a return when that version is released (hopefully with less security concerns). If someone wants to join the herd for maintaining this package, is absolutely welcome. Knowing the past problems, if someone wants, it's also invited to write a maintainer's guide (similar to xine's[2]) so that if it's going to leave the team someone else will know how to treat it. [1] https://player.helixcommunity.org/2005/dev/plans.html [2] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/video/xine.xml -- Diego "Flameeyes" Pettenò - http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/ Gentoo/ALT lead, Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, AMD64, Sound, PAM, KDE pgpCanIS5js1E.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two
Mint Shows wrote: This feature should only be used for things that are directly related to the tree, and will cause mass breakage if ignored. I fully agree with this statement. I am behind the adoption of the GLEP only if it does what (I originally believed) was its purpose...to get CRITICAL news regarding package upgrades..etc. If a user wants to know what's going on with the developers..they can subscribe to this -dev list. If a user wants to know how to NOT break his system by performing an 'emerge -u world' portage should tell them. -- Mint Shows I fully agree here, or in the case of Apache, which my its self is not a critical system component, but its is a very important part of many user's systems, that is also worthy of a NEWS Item. On another note, i'm not exactly sure how this would be implemented, but perferably wouldn't the new NEWS Items be best if provided before a package upgrade? for example emerge -avu apache These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuildU ] net-www/apache-2.0.54-r31 *(1 News Item) [2.0.54-r30] +apache2 -debug -doc -ldap -mpm-leader -mpm-peruser -mpm-prefork -mpm-threadpool -mpm-worker -no-suexec (-selinux) +ssl -static-modules -threads 5,488 kB Total size of downloads: 5,488 kB Would you like to read the unread News Item? [Yes/No] Do you want me to merge these packages? [Yes/No] Of course, running emerge -vu apache shouldn't be stopped, it should continue with its own risk. Thats just one thing i would like to see. Tux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for media-video/helixplayer
On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 08:29:03PM +0100, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > After realplayer the last week, also helixplayer is pending removal from the > tree. Please make a habit of always supplying a list of alternates/replacements when writing a "last rites" email - saves us someone having to ask: What replaces it? Regards, Brix -- Henrik Brix Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo Metadistribution | Mobile computing herd pgpU96AHyBMkp.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] status of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org
On Mon, 2005-21-11 at 02:18 -0500, Curtis Napier wrote: > I'm asking for everyone (developers and users alike) to please have a > look at the updated site and send any feedback you may have. I'm > especially interested in feedback from anyone who uses accessibilty > programs such as screen readers or if you are color blind or have any > other accessibilty issues. First, in the project pages, it says "Gentoo Projectscript generated" (all stuck together) Second, where is the "path bar" that was in the original design. I found it really useful to help users see where they are inside the tree web tree. Third, the green links in the header are way too dark on the crappy crt I have at work, and not easy to see where one link ends and the next starts. Using a lighter color would help. -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] status of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 01:37:00 -0600 Lance Albertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Curtis Napier wrote: > > > If you have access to a Macintosh, Windows, *BSD or any other OS or > > Browser please test the site and include your OS and the browser > > version in your feedback. I haven't received feedback from > > Konqueror or Safari so feedback from those browsers would be much > > appreciated. > > Visually, the light grey color for the main text makes it a bit harder > to read the instructions. Any reason why you couldn't use black or a > darker color for the text? To me that text is the most important part > of our site and if we can't read that well, we have a problem :-). Variable names and commands are bright blue in the old docs. The new color is darker and that does not improve readability since the contrast is not optimal. I think a brighter tint would make it easier to distinguish the text color from the (highlighted) parts. Cheers, Renat -- Probleme kann man niemals mit derselben Denkweise loesen, durch die sie entstanden sind. (Einstein) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] status of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005, Curtis Napier wrote: > If you have access to a Macintosh, Windows, *BSD or any other OS or > Browser please test the site and include your OS and the browser version > in your feedback. I haven't received feedback from Konqueror or Safari > so feedback from those browsers would be much appreciated. On a Mac, looks good in: Safari 1.3.1 Firefox 1.0.6 Its a complete mess in IE 5.2 on a Mac (but IE5 is weird on Mac in general and not many people use it in OS X). -- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] opinion on how to improve the website redesign
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005, Mike Frysinger wrote: > - the 'gentoo' text in the upper left of the page should use the cool > red bubble letters [1] Never liked the red lettering - very dated. -- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for media-video/helixplayer
On Monday 21 November 2005 21:15, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > Please make a habit of always supplying a list of > alternates/replacements when writing a "last rites" email - saves us > someone having to ask: Sorry, too used to know the media-video category by heart :| > What replaces it? HelixPlayer is a simple player for Ogg Theora/Ogg Vorbis files, so you can find at least three better replacements: media-video/vlc, xine and its frontends and media-video/mplayer . They might not be drop-in replacements, but it's not like helixplayer does anything more for now. -- Diego "Flameeyes" Pettenò - http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/ Gentoo/ALT lead, Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, AMD64, Sound, PAM, KDE pgpSidjEeAw7d.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Modular X porting: dependency changes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Because portage treats the default virtual differently than I was previously led to believe, everybody who's ported a package to modular X so far will need to make a small change. It's really easy, but it might take a bit of time to go through your packages. Here's the change: "virtual/x11" -> "<=x11-base/xorg-x11-6.99" This is because portage doesn't do a sanity check for the PROVIDES flag on the default provider of a virtual. Thanks for your time, Donnie -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDgjMVXVaO67S1rtsRAoJqAKDkyxtwzvqeYuuOntKldJWsOIcl6wCgspF9 /R1BEbiiQ34/KHsDag1LOlE= =uZeU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X porting: dependency changes
On Monday 21 November 2005 21:50, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Here's the change: > "virtual/x11" -> "<=x11-base/xorg-x11-6.99" Is this the last change? :) Just to make sure, I received the broken pieces of the "old" method, so I don't really want to take them from the new one, too ;) -- Diego "Flameeyes" Pettenò - http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/ Gentoo/ALT lead, Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, AMD64, Sound, PAM, KDE pgpeLgrNztxRK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] opinion on how to improve the website redesign
On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 15:35 -0500, A. Khattri wrote: > On Mon, 21 Nov 2005, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > > - the 'gentoo' text in the upper left of the page should use the cool > > red bubble letters [1] > > Never liked the red lettering - very dated. I thought that Daniel was taking the red bubble letters. I also remember the discussion about the infinity logo way back then and the decision was made to keep it. For one, it is very easy to print, whereas the bubble letters are not. This is very useful on a CD where you have very limited color selection. I don't get where people think it is "ricer" though. Perhaps you guys forget what a meta-distribution is and the "infinite possibilities" that it presents to the user. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering - Strategic Lead x86 Architecture Team Games - Developer Gentoo Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X porting: dependency changes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: | On Monday 21 November 2005 21:50, Donnie Berkholz wrote: | |>Here's the change: |>"virtual/x11" -> "<=x11-base/xorg-x11-6.99" | | Is this the last change? :) | Just to make sure, I received the broken pieces of the "old" method, so I | don't really want to take them from the new one, too ;) That will be purely determined by whether people encounter problems with this change as well. =) I hope every change is the last change, as far as this is concerned. Thanks, Donnie -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDgjgTXVaO67S1rtsRAkA2AJ9wBAGokTmbB8jB6lFgD32bxc6dKwCg9lNx oxrzqHzVV2WFH1NDXMiubZM= =Tz53 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] status of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 21.11.2005, 20:16:47, Renat Golubchyk wrote: > On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 01:37:00 -0600 Lance Albertson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Variable names and commands are bright blue in the old docs. The new > color is darker and that does not improve readability since the > contrast is not optimal. I think a brighter tint would make it easier > to distinguish the text color from the (highlighted) parts. > Cheers, > Renat Was like that originally, looked pretty bad and distracting. - -- jakub -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDgjknhxfV/c66PZ4RAg/gAJ0c30PyYH49Hjt8XionDC+a3JAGZgCfUaE1 IKq3wzs1zG+UcgwNA7ypYQ4= =Dxaf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for media-video/helixplayer
On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 21:43 +0100, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > On Monday 21 November 2005 21:15, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > > Please make a habit of always supplying a list of > > alternates/replacements when writing a "last rites" email - saves us > > someone having to ask: > Sorry, too used to know the media-video category by heart :| > > > What replaces it? > HelixPlayer is a simple player for Ogg Theora/Ogg Vorbis files, so you can > find at least three better replacements: media-video/vlc, xine and its > frontends and media-video/mplayer . > They might not be drop-in replacements, but it's not like helixplayer does > anything more for now. helixplayer handles some of the RealMedia transports and codecs better than any of the above; but for that you can use realplayer-10.0.6, which is the same codebase as helixplayer and has extra non-Free codecs - it's non-Free, but works on amd64 and x86, and anyone wanting to hack on the realplayer/helixplayer codebase will be using helixplayer pre2 cvs anyway. Ed Catmur -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-dev] Frozen Bacula??
> From: Herbert G. Fischer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, 21 November, 2005 07:23 > > Hi, > > I'm looking forward to use Bacula 1.38.1 that was released last week but not even 1.38.0 that was released 31 october 2005 has an ebuild yet. There is some problem with it? It's abandoned? > > Please let me know if you need help on this ebuild. I don't know how to create an ebuild and include it on the Gentoo Portage but I'm interested in using Bacula 1.38.1 because of it's newest aditions. Hello, There was some confusion over maintainer transition for this package at one time but we have worked it out. As for 1.38.[01], I will have it committed to portage when I have some time in the near future, but please be aware that it will spend some time in ~arch just like every other pacakge. Thanks, Chris -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] opinion on how to improve the website redesign
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: The infinity design makes us look like a bunch of ricers. Kill it! +1 -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux Developer Gentoo/PPC Operational Leader http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] status of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org
Curtis Napier wrote: This has been cross posted to gentoo-dev and www-redesign. make the purple bar with portage and the other feature disappear or at least 1/2 tall. Put the Community, Resource, Documentation either on the left in a pane or on the top. the sponsor pane should retain the violet background. Move back the solid logo instead of the infinity one. That's all lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux Developer Gentoo/PPC Operational Leader http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] opinion on how to improve the website redesign
On Monday 21 November 2005 18:24, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > The infinity design makes us look like a bunch of ricers. Kill it! +1 not like I love the red letters... (the 'g' actually makes it similar to G/FBSD logo, never noted that before)... -- Diego "Flameeyes" Pettenò - http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/ Gentoo/ALT lead, Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, AMD64, Sound, PAM, KDE pgph6piSP9ouS.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] status of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org
Curtis Napier wrote:
> I'm especially interested in feedback from anyone who uses
> accessibilty programs such as screen readers or if you are color
> blind or have any other accessibilty issues.
Not being blind or otherwise visually handicapped, but I use rather
large letters (18 pixels), do not use the entire screen width for
the browser window, and like to keep the monitor at low brightness
levels. This means that indeed the green in the top bars is too
dark to read. And that this green line wraps. And the text in the
blabla-bar ("Portage: an easy to use...") flows out of its box (see
the pngs). This is both in Konqueror and in Firefox. In Konqueror
alone the "Design by" in the bottom line wraps, and the little
green arrows in the menus at the bottom are missing, which makes it
hard to see that "Name/Logo Guideline" is a single entry.
What I dislike most is that the links are always underlined. I've
got my browsers configured not to underline links, and now this new
Gentoo style sheet forces these underlines.
The blabla-bar is unneeded, in my opinion it takes up too much
space, it makes it look too much like a commercial site, and it
makes the overall page too dark. Better make the menus that now
sit at the bottom of the front page sit at the left. The little
pictures in those menus are not needed, especially since the one for
Resources is incomprehensible. The infinity sign at the top
doesn't look enough like two O-s, and what is it supposed to refer
to? Better use two plain O-s, and make them bend just a little
toward each other.
Benno
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Re: [gentoo-dev] status of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org
Curtis Napier wrote: > This has been cross posted to gentoo-dev and www-redesign. > > http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org > > After receiving a ton of very useful feedback from the developer > community I have updated the redesign. It should now be closer to 100% > accessible and it should (hopefully) render perfectly in all browsers > including text only browsers. It now passes XHTML and CSS validation tests. > > I'm asking for everyone (developers and users alike) to please have a > look at the updated site and send any feedback you may have. I'm > especially interested in feedback from anyone who uses accessibilty > programs such as screen readers or if you are color blind or have any > other accessibilty issues. > http://dev.gentoo.org/~betelgeuse/redesign.png Here is a screenshot from konqueror. In full screen mode there is a wide empty white area in the middle. Regards, Petteri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X porting: dependency changes
On Monday 21 November 2005 21:50, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Here's the change: > "virtual/x11" -> "<=x11-base/xorg-x11-6.99" virtual/x11 isn't xorg for all profiles. Carsten pgpKJHUHNPisT.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] status of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org
I have to say I'm somewhat disappointed by what I see compared to Aarons proposed look¹. a) Regarding the space below the two horizontal menus: A continuous image looks much better than these "cells" with a lot of useless and redundant links above them. If you think the space is wasted - well then drop it at all or make the image a small bar so there's more place for imformation. b) Adverts: Title them as what they are and draw a line between contents and adverts. The way it is now is very unfriendly to the reader. c) The cow pictogram and the text beside it is completely superfluous. d) I really don't think viewing the cvs is so important for first time users, that it needs to be linked that prominent. e) I like the thre vertical menus with the pictres above them. But from a usability point of view it's really questionable to expect a first time user finds them instantly when there's so much information on the front page that he has to scroll down. Either limit the information and make an extra news page (including searchable archive, that's missing atm.) or drop these menus at all. f) Handbook and other links: Usually you want to read the page and not metadata about it. The summary/date/author part takes too much place and the title is redundant. Make that a box next to the title or what else, but don't let the first action a user has to do instead to read to press scroll down. Carsten [1] http://www.gentoo.org/images/wwwcontest/contest1_front.png pgpxbnz21Nbdl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] status of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org
On Monday 21 November 2005 13:36, Jakub Moc wrote: > Well, I would like to see them on the left (and really could live without > those illustrative pics accompanying them, but that's just me. ;) I don't think they're very useful at the bottom either, but one (imho) important improvement of the design compared to what we have now is not having a left menu and adverts on the right. The two horizontal menus should suffice when you keep one static and one dynamic. Carsten pgpXpl4yilXj9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] opinion on how to improve the website redesign
It's interesting to compare http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org/ with http://www.aaronshi.com/gentoo/mainindex.html. One of the things that I always liked about the original design was the fact that the front page held a considerable amount of information without needing much vertical scrolling. On the other hand, I like the fact that the current iteration says something about what Gentoo actually is, which just seems like a good idea on the front page. (Although I'd prefer to modify the text a bit so that it starts with "Gentoo is" and is limited to just one or two sentences.) In fact, I've been thinking that it might be nice to remove the news from the front page altogether (we could always have a news.gentoo.org for people who mainly use the site for news), which would leave plenty of space for the "Documentation", "Resources", and "Community" panels with limited scrolling. As an aside, I would prefer to see something fairly soon, even if it's more a face lift than a redesign, than wait another year before we update the site. -g2boojum- -- Grant Goodyear Gentoo Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gentoo.org/~g2boojum GPG Fingerprint: D706 9802 1663 DEF5 81B0 9573 A6DC 7152 E0F6 5B76 pgp7dudyG23en.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] opinion on how to improve the website redesign
On Monday 21 November 2005 01:07 pm, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > I thought that Daniel was taking the red bubble letters. I also > remember the discussion about the infinity logo way back then and the > decision was made to keep it. For one, it is very easy to print, I thought that the vote was for a website redesign, not a logo redesign. I agree that the infinity sign should go. No other "Gentoo" text on that page has the sign, so it looks out of place and inconsistent to have it in one spot. -C -- Corey Shields Gentoo Linux Infrastructure Team Gentoo Foundation Board of Trustees http://www.gentoo.org/~cshields pgplyFKPEMo1O.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] opinion on how to improve the website redesign
- Where is the "Search for __ in section __" field ? I would expect it somewhere on the top. See http://php.net for a good and tiny one. - I like the infinity sign. It looks cool and professionel (not too commercial). - I don't like the big, purple bar (portage, packages, get gentoo, forums, donage). Get rid of it. Instead, put the headliners from the bottom (documentation, resources, community) here. It just has to be a bit smaller in height (multi column instead?). You could add another Headline (maybe 'Introduction') for new users (topics could be 'Why Gentoo Linux', 'Download', 'Handbook', 'Packages', 'Portage'). - The mentioned headline panel should only be visible on the first page. BUT make sure it doesn't go away if you click one of that panel's links. In that particular case the reader probably is willing to try another link and should not be forced to go back to the main page. - The ads pannel should have a different background color. See a hacked Screenshot at http://public.efil.de/gentoo-www.png -- Ingo Bormuth, voicebox & telefax: +49-12125-10226517 '(~o-o~)' public key 86326EC9, http://ibormuth.efil.de/contact ---ooO--(.)--Ooo--- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] opinion on how to improve the website redesign
On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 06:14:15PM -0600, Grant Goodyear wrote: > One of the things that I always liked about the original design was > the fact that the front page held a considerable amount of > information without needing much vertical scrolling. on that note, here is another opinion of mine that occured to me: - the stuff on the bottom is nice (sweet pics btw), but i think it'd be more useful if it replaced the left sidebar we use now ... i.e. just stack em on the left ... > In fact, I've been thinking that it might be nice to remove the news > from the front page altogether which would leave plenty of > space for the "Documentation", "Resources", and "Community" panels with > limited scrolling. my opinion above would address this concern (which i agree with) -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] opinion on how to improve the website redesign
On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 01:53:01AM +0100, Ingo Bormuth wrote: > > - Where is the "Search for __ in section __" field ? I would expect it > somewhere on the top. See http://php.net for a good and tiny one. ah, excellent idea ... we get people who ask for this from time to time in bugzilla ... > - I don't like the big, purple bar (portage, packages, get gentoo, forums, > donage). Get rid of it. Instead, put the headliners from the bottom > (documentation, resources, community) here. It just has to be a bit smaller > in height (multi column instead?). > You could add another Headline (maybe 'Introduction') for new users (topics > could be 'Why Gentoo Linux', 'Download', 'Handbook', 'Packages', 'Portage'). condensing the big purple panel into a smaller one would work nicely i think ... and it'd help condense information without losing too much -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] opinion on how to improve the website redesign
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 01:11:14 + Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 01:53:01AM +0100, Ingo Bormuth wrote: > > > > - Where is the "Search for __ in section __" field ? I > > would expect it somewhere on the top. See http://php.net for a > > good and tiny one. > > ah, excellent idea ... we get people who ask for this from time > to time in bugzilla ... A good start could be to do that the quick and ugly way, thanks to Google (with some "site:www.gentoo.org/some/thing/" and other black magic in the query terms). It saves implementation of a real local search engine, and actually works surprinsingly fine. That's what i use in some ConQuery search plugins (a Firefox extension): http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-380310.html This screenshot shows the filters i have for www.g.o: http://tdegreni.free.fr/gentoo/conquery/gentoo-simple-google-screenshot.png (mailing search et al. are in other plugins, but sure in the case of something like what is on php.net, it would be better in a single form) -- TGL. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] opinion on how to improve the website redesign
maillog: 22/11/2005-03:53:22(+0100): Thomas de Grenier de Latour types
> On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 01:11:14 +
> Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 01:53:01AM +0100, Ingo Bormuth wrote:
> > >
> > > - Where is the "Search for __ in section __" field ? I
> > > would expect it somewhere on the top. See http://php.net for a
> > > good and tiny one.
> >
> > ah, excellent idea ... we get people who ask for this from time
> > to time in bugzilla ...
>
> A good start could be to do that the quick and ugly way, thanks to
> Google (with some "site:www.gentoo.org/some/thing/" and other black
> magic in the query terms). It saves implementation of a real local
> search engine, and actually works surprinsingly fine. That's what i
> use in some ConQuery search plugins (a Firefox extension):
> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-380310.html
> This screenshot shows the filters i have for www.g.o:
> http://tdegreni.free.fr/gentoo/conquery/gentoo-simple-google-screenshot.png
> (mailing search et al. are in other plugins, but sure in the case
> of something like what is on php.net, it would be better in a
> single form)
And just in case someone decides to do it and is thinking about using
JavaScript or some other magic to add "site:gentoo.org" to the query
(the "q" parameter), you can supply "as_sitesearch" and "as_q"
parameters instead of "q":
It would be cooler to get a personalized Google search, though.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] opinion on how to improve the website redesign
maillog: 22/11/2005-12:05:38(+0900): Георги Георгиев types > > That ought to be of course. -- (* Georgi Georgiev (* Mr and Mrs PED, can I borrow 26.7% of the (* *)[EMAIL PROTECTED]*) RAYON TEXTILE production of the INDONESIAN *) (* http://www.gg3.net/ (* archipelago? (* pgpo4uDk94sKM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X porting: dependency changes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Carsten Lohrke wrote: | On Monday 21 November 2005 21:50, Donnie Berkholz wrote: | |>Here's the change: |> "virtual/x11" -> "<=x11-base/xorg-x11-6.99" | | | virtual/x11 isn't xorg for all profiles. Perhaps the relevant people (macos?) could get in touch with me, and we can figure out what needs to happen. It may be that we'll need to add x11-base/apple-xfree into the || list as well. Using the virtual is not an option right now, because of the previously mentioned bug. Thanks, Donnie -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDgo1uXVaO67S1rtsRAjUZAKD3FlAeF06+xM6a8P7IzNMyD/GkQACguyFQ 1thol8iy6VRTRo0uaKWzogI= =4pdd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] opinion on how to improve the website redesign
On Monday 21 November 2005 10:08 pm, Georgi Georgiev wrote: > maillog: 22/11/2005-12:05:38(+0900): Георги Георгиев types > > > > > > > That ought to be > > of course. or you could make it the dropdown list so people can pick bugs.gentoo.org/gentoo.org/forums.gentoo.org/whatever -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X porting: dependency changes
Donnie Berkholz wrote: It may be that we'll need to add x11-base/apple-xfree into the || list If the list keeps growing maybe we should consider a GLEP 37-style solution, like was suggested by Jason. It would allow us to make any further changes that are required (agreed, hopefully none) without having to change a bunch of packages in the tree. -- Joshua Baergen -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] the upcoming ppp ebuild need to remove files from /etc
maillog: 21/11/2005-13:47:46(+0200): Petteri Räty types > Also when doing etc-update/dispatch-conf over the conf.d file users will > see that the file is deprecated. Then you can just drop installing the > files in the next version. You assume that the user is upgrading incrementally... -- /\ Georgi Georgiev /\ Whenever I feel like exercise, I lie down /\ \/[EMAIL PROTECTED]\/ until the feeling passes. \/ /\ http://www.gg3.net/ /\/\ pgp1d2Gqcok5J.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X porting: dependency changes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joshua Baergen wrote: | If the list keeps growing maybe we should consider a GLEP 37-style | solution, like was suggested by Jason. It would allow us to make any | further changes that are required (agreed, hopefully none) without | having to change a bunch of packages in the tree. OK, we might as well look into it to see whether it's something we can get going within the next 2 weeks, which is about when 7.0 will be released. Jason, could you help us out? I CC'd you to make sure you'd read this. Thanks, Donnie -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDgr4EXVaO67S1rtsRAleBAKDy8lXNdP8H1YHtzpYUsawqI+f95wCgp7r9 MlA9+EqCkvNyKcafSsKJwcc= =Ike6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] new developer Joshua Nichols (nichoj)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello all, it has taken a while but better late then never. Some off you might have seen a dude called nichoj around, well he's a brand new java herd member. He has been working hard before and still continues to amaze the java herd. He's a US citizen living now at Boston but raised in New Hamshire... He has something with greek brothers as he kept talking about sigma chi fraternity whatever that may mean... He has just finished his Dual Bachelor Degree in Computer Science and Psychology at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, so it is true geeks like us really need a psych... I think he's still single as he didn't mention anything related to females, llama's, goats etc. So some of the Gentoo crew's harem might be safe. I'd appreciate a nice welcome and a descent slap on the butt when you pass him... Joshua, welcome! Jochen - -- "Defer no time, delays have dangerous ends" "Ne humanus crede" Jochen Maes Gentoo Linux Gentoo Belgium http://sejo.be http://gentoo.be http://gentoo.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDgssqMXMsRNMHhmARAiSDAKC+sgmYwZnm6Ct/fNYCK6o9Fp6PKgCgwAyl IvKWEbfesxKUhp2dSyACEts= =xXcS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
