Re: [VOTE] Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator
+1 regards, juan pablo On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Michael Gerzabek wrote: > +1 > > Am 16.04.2012 00:04, schrieb Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez: > > Hello all, > > > > The Apache JSPWiki project entered Incubator in October of 2007. Since > then > > we have added two new committers from diverse organizations. The codebase > > of our product has been growing slowly but surely, and we think is mature > > enough to go through graduation; also, we have made two releases > following > > the ASF policies and guidelines. Thanks to the mentorship we have > received > > through this period, we have learnt to self-govern and grow our community > > using accepted Apache practices. > > > > Given these milestones, I feel that JSPWiki is ready to graduate from > > Incubator. > > > > The first step towards graduation is to vote as a community that JSPWiki > is > > ready to graduate. If the vote is successful, we will draft a board > > resolution proposal and call it to vote on the general Incubator list. > The > > complete graduation process is described [1]. > > > > Please cast your votes: > > > > [ ] +1 Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator > > [ ] +0 Indifferent to graduation status of JSPWiki > > [ ] +1 Reject graduation of JSPWiki from Incubator > > > > This vote will remain open for at least 72 hours from now. > > > > [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html > > > > > > Thanks, > > juan pablo > > > >
Re: [VOTE] Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator
Looking at the community activity this project looks like it lacks the diversity required. For example, on the vote thread on the projects own dev list there were only three +1 votes, one of which came from someone who has only ever posted to the dev list on two other occasions. Furthermore I'm worried that in Janne said: "The point of Apache Incubation is to incubate a community of people who can create good software. So far our community seems to be dwindling more than increasing (and I accept the blame for that - I just haven't had the time nor the interest to put into this project). So I don't think it's wrong to say that our incubation has essentially failed, and that we should consider some other avenue, and go away from messing up the Apache Incubator." and Harry said: "We simply can't get people interested in doing the necessary things, both the tech work and the non-tech work, and I personally do not have that much time for the project either anymore. So moving over to github is fine for me. (what will be the starting point in github BTW, the current trunk, or 2.8.4 ?)" Now we have this proposal to graduate. Juan Pablo didn't like the idea of saying incubation had failed and has championed graduation. Can I ask for someone more aware of JSPWiki activities please provide a summary of why the proposals to declare failure in Jan were rejected and what activities have been undertaken to turn this "failure" to graduation. Please don't feel you need to defend the proposal, I'm just looking for information to support my vote and also to help me think about the discussions a couple of months ago about different styles of incubation activity. Ross On 15 April 2012 23:46, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez wrote: > Hello all, > > The Apache JSPWiki project entered Incubator in October of 2007. Since then > we have added two new committers from diverse organizations. The codebase > of our product has been growing slowly but surely, and we think is mature > enough to go through graduation; also, we have made two releases following > the ASF policies and guidelines. Thanks to the mentorship we have received > through this period, we have learnt to self-govern and grow our community > using accepted Apache practices. > > Given these milestones, I feel that JSPWiki is ready to graduate from > Incubator. > > The first step towards graduation is to vote as a community that JSPWiki is > ready to graduate. If the vote is successful, we will draft a board > resolution proposal and call it to vote on the general Incubator list. The > complete graduation process is described [1]. > > Please cast your votes: > > [ ] +1 Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator > [ ] +0 Indifferent to graduation status of JSPWiki > [ ] +1 Reject graduation of JSPWiki from Incubator > > This vote will remain open for at least 72 hours from now. > > [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html > > > Thanks, > juan pablo -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator
+1 - Ursprüngliche Mail - Von: "Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez" An: jspwiki-...@incubator.apache.org, general@incubator.apache.org Gesendet: Montag, 16. April 2012 00:04:30 Betreff: [VOTE] Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator Hello all, The Apache JSPWiki project entered Incubator in October of 2007. Since then we have added two new committers from diverse organizations. The codebase of our product has been growing slowly but surely, and we think is mature enough to go through graduation; also, we have made two releases following the ASF policies and guidelines. Thanks to the mentorship we have received through this period, we have learnt to self-govern and grow our community using accepted Apache practices. Given these milestones, I feel that JSPWiki is ready to graduate from Incubator. The first step towards graduation is to vote as a community that JSPWiki is ready to graduate. If the vote is successful, we will draft a board resolution proposal and call it to vote on the general Incubator list. The complete graduation process is described [1]. Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator [ ] +0 Indifferent to graduation status of JSPWiki [ ] +1 Reject graduation of JSPWiki from Incubator This vote will remain open for at least 72 hours from now. [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html Thanks, juan pablo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
[VOTE] Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator
Hello all, The Apache JSPWiki project entered Incubator in October of 2007. Since then we have added two new committers from diverse organizations. The codebase of our product has been growing slowly but surely, and we think is mature enough to go through graduation; also, we have made two releases following the ASF policies and guidelines. Thanks to the mentorship we have received through this period, we have learnt to self-govern and grow our community using accepted Apache practices. Given these milestones, I feel that JSPWiki is ready to graduate from Incubator. The first step towards graduation is to vote as a community that JSPWiki is ready to graduate. If the vote is successful, we will draft a board resolution proposal and call it to vote on the general Incubator list. The complete graduation process is described [1]. Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator [ ] +0 Indifferent to graduation status of JSPWiki [ ] +1 Reject graduation of JSPWiki from Incubator This vote will remain open for at least 72 hours from now. [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html Thanks, juan pablo
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Mesos 0.9.0-incubating (RC4)
Hi, We'd appreciate some input on this to continue the release process. We can make a set of scripts to download the third-party source tarballs if that's needed. Matei On Apr 10, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Matei Zaharia wrote: > Hi Sebb, > > The third party libraries we included were actually all source code, just > compressed in tar.gz files to save space. There were no JARs or binaries. Is > distributing their source code okay, or is it still better to get people to > download them elsewhere? > > Matei > > > On Apr 10, 2012, at 6:03 AM, sebb wrote: > >> On 8 April 2012 23:48, Benjamin Hindman wrote: >>> Hi Sebb, >>> >>> Thanks so much for taking a look! Responses inline. >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 2:22 PM, sebb wrote: >>> On 7 April 2012 02:59, Benjamin Hindman wrote: > Please vote on releasing the following candidate as Apache Mesos > (incubating) version 0.9.0. This will be the first incubator release for > Mesos in Apache, but the fifth release candidate. > > Vote thread on mesos-...@incubator.apache.org: > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-mesos-dev/201203.mbox/%3CCAFeOQnW7jk-VcTFpUP-_VonL99JCnggKeNPW%2BGx-Ozdy1U8sjg%40mail.gmail.com%3E > > The candidate for Mesos 0.9.0-incubating release is available at: > > http://people.apache.org/~benh/mesos-0.9.0-incubating-RC4/mesos-0.9.0-incubating.tar.gz > > The tag to be voted on: > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/mesos/tags/release-0.9.0-incubating-RC4 The NOTICE file is incomplete; the product name and copyright year(s) are missing. >>> >>> Thanks, I'll add that. >>> >>> The LICENSE file includes references to several 3rd party items. It looks like glog and utilities.cc and others may require mention in NOTICE. >>> >>> Is there a document somewhere which describes when something needs to go >>> into NOTICE in addition to LICENSE? I had read previously read the section >>> titled "What Are Required Third-Party Notices?" from >>> http://apache.org/legal/resolved.html#required-third-party-notices but I >>> still was unclear whether or not anything needed to be done. >> >> AFAIK, it depends on what the license says. >> >>> There's no DISCLAIMER file in SVN root. >>> >>> Right, I'll add that. >>> >>> There are several 3rd party libraries in SVN under https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/mesos/tags/release-0.9.0-incubating-RC4/third_party/ >>> >>> >>> This was deliberate, so as to make it easier to use for both developers >>> (who check out the repository) and users (who download a distribution). Is >>> there a policy against this? I saw this as analogous to distributing JARs. >>> >> >> AIUI, there must be a source-only release. >> This should have N&L files that relate to the source only. >> >> A binary release may also be provided, in which case its N&L files >> need to correspond with what is in the binary release. >> >> For building from source, the dependencies need to be provided somehow. >> Various options are possible: >> - written instructions how to get the dependencies and where to put them >> - separate script to download the dependencies >> - build process automatically downloads the dependencies. >> >> Depending on the licenses of 3rd party jars you may need to provide a >> combination of methods. >> There are some types of dependencies that can only be included if the >> user makes a deliberate choice of downloading them, see the cited doc. >> >> If all the dependencies are binary-distributable, it's probably also >> OK to provide an archive containing just the dependencies. >> This must have the relevant N&L files. >> >>> >>> Is the correct next step to cancel this vote, >> >> IMO, yes. >> >>> create a RC5, and start a new vote thread for that? >> >> Once the issues have been resolved, yes. >> >>> Or modify RC4? >> >> No, RCs should be immutable. Otherwise how can one tell what one is voting >> on? >> >>> Thank you very much! >>> >>> Ben. >>> >>> >>> > The MD5 checksum of the tarball can be found at: > > http://people.apache.org/~benh/mesos-0.9.0-incubating-RC4/mesos-0.9.0-incubating.tar.gz.md5 > > The signature of the tarball can be found at: > > http://people.apache.org/~benh/mesos-0.9.0-incubating-RC4/mesos-0.9.0-incubating.tar.gz.asc > > Mesos' KEYS file, containing the PGP keys used to sign the release: > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/mesos/dist/KEYS > > Please vote on releasing this package as Apache Mesos 0.9.0-incubating! > > The vote is open until Tuesday, April 10th at 8 pm (a bit more than 72 > hours since it's over the weekend) and passes if a majority of at least 3 > +1 IPMC votes are cast. > > [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache Mesos 0.9.0-incubating > [ ] -1 Do not release this p
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Mesos 0.9.0-incubating (RC4)
Ping. Hi Mentors, What's the policy on distributing third party _sources_ provided we've included the appropriate licenses in NOTICE? Knowing whether or not we can do this is blocking us from pushing out a RC5. Thanks much! Ben. On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Matei Zaharia wrote: > Hi Sebb, > > The third party libraries we included were actually all source code, just > compressed in tar.gz files to save space. There were no JARs or binaries. > Is distributing their source code okay, or is it still better to get people > to download them elsewhere? > > Matei > > > On Apr 10, 2012, at 6:03 AM, sebb wrote: > > > On 8 April 2012 23:48, Benjamin Hindman wrote: > >> Hi Sebb, > >> > >> Thanks so much for taking a look! Responses inline. > >> > >> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 2:22 PM, sebb wrote: > >> > >>> On 7 April 2012 02:59, Benjamin Hindman wrote: > Please vote on releasing the following candidate as Apache Mesos > (incubating) version 0.9.0. This will be the first incubator release > for > Mesos in Apache, but the fifth release candidate. > > Vote thread on mesos-...@incubator.apache.org: > > > >>> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-mesos-dev/201203.mbox/%3CCAFeOQnW7jk-VcTFpUP-_VonL99JCnggKeNPW%2BGx-Ozdy1U8sjg%40mail.gmail.com%3E > > The candidate for Mesos 0.9.0-incubating release is available at: > > > >>> > http://people.apache.org/~benh/mesos-0.9.0-incubating-RC4/mesos-0.9.0-incubating.tar.gz > > The tag to be voted on: > > > >>> > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/mesos/tags/release-0.9.0-incubating-RC4 > >>> > >>> The NOTICE file is incomplete; the product name and copyright year(s) > >>> are missing. > >>> > >> > >> Thanks, I'll add that. > >> > >> > >>> The LICENSE file includes references to several 3rd party items. > >>> It looks like glog and utilities.cc and others may require mention in > >>> NOTICE. > >>> > >> > >> Is there a document somewhere which describes when something needs to go > >> into NOTICE in addition to LICENSE? I had read previously read the > section > >> titled "What Are Required Third-Party Notices?" from > >> http://apache.org/legal/resolved.html#required-third-party-notices but > I > >> still was unclear whether or not anything needed to be done. > > > > AFAIK, it depends on what the license says. > > > >> > >>> There's no DISCLAIMER file in SVN root. > >>> > >> > >> Right, I'll add that. > >> > >> > >>> There are several 3rd party libraries in SVN under > >>> > >>> > >>> > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/mesos/tags/release-0.9.0-incubating-RC4/third_party/ > >> > >> > >> This was deliberate, so as to make it easier to use for both developers > >> (who check out the repository) and users (who download a distribution). > Is > >> there a policy against this? I saw this as analogous to distributing > JARs. > >> > > > > AIUI, there must be a source-only release. > > This should have N&L files that relate to the source only. > > > > A binary release may also be provided, in which case its N&L files > > need to correspond with what is in the binary release. > > > > For building from source, the dependencies need to be provided somehow. > > Various options are possible: > > - written instructions how to get the dependencies and where to put them > > - separate script to download the dependencies > > - build process automatically downloads the dependencies. > > > > Depending on the licenses of 3rd party jars you may need to provide a > > combination of methods. > > There are some types of dependencies that can only be included if the > > user makes a deliberate choice of downloading them, see the cited doc. > > > > If all the dependencies are binary-distributable, it's probably also > > OK to provide an archive containing just the dependencies. > > This must have the relevant N&L files. > > > >> > >> Is the correct next step to cancel this vote, > > > > IMO, yes. > > > >> create a RC5, and start a new vote thread for that? > > > > Once the issues have been resolved, yes. > > > >> Or modify RC4? > > > > No, RCs should be immutable. Otherwise how can one tell what one is > voting on? > > > >> Thank you very much! > >> > >> Ben. > >> > >> > >> > The MD5 checksum of the tarball can be found at: > > > >>> > http://people.apache.org/~benh/mesos-0.9.0-incubating-RC4/mesos-0.9.0-incubating.tar.gz.md5 > > The signature of the tarball can be found at: > > > >>> > http://people.apache.org/~benh/mesos-0.9.0-incubating-RC4/mesos-0.9.0-incubating.tar.gz.asc > > Mesos' KEYS file, containing the PGP keys used to sign the release: > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/mesos/dist/KEYS > > Please vote on releasing this package as Apache Mesos > 0.9.0-incubating! > > The vote is open until Tuesday, April 10th at 8 pm (a bit more than 72 > hours since it's over the weekend) and passes if a majority of at
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Re: [VOTE] Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator
Hi,
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Ross Gardler
wrote:
> Can I ask for someone more aware of JSPWiki activities please provide
> a summary of why the proposals to declare failure in Jan were rejected
> and what activities have been undertaken to turn this "failure" to
> graduation. Please don't feel you need to defend the proposal, I'm
> just looking for information to support my vote and also to help me
> think about the discussions a couple of months ago about different
> styles of incubation activity.
+1 See also my related comments on the recent JSPWiki report:
http://markmail.org/message/xp34re25nadi4w6q
Are any of the JSPWiki mentors (I see Dave Johnson, Craig Russell,
Henning Schmiedehausen and Sam Ruby listed) still actively following
the project? Nobody signed off the JSPWiki report and I got no
responses to my status update question on general@.
IIIUC JSPWiki still hasn't made an official Apache release. Besides
being a graduation blocker ("Demonstrate ability to create Apache
releases" [1]), completing that task should also be a good way to both
demonstrate and increase community activity. Thus I recommend that you
cut a release before targeting graduation.
[1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#checklist
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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Re: [VOTE] Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator
Hi Jukka,
I still follow JSPWiki. Apologies for not signing off on the report(s).
There is still activity on the mail lists; a viable project plan;
several contributors active on the code and mail lists.
I'd let the vote continue to its conclusion before drawing other
conclusions.
Craig
On Apr 16, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Ross Gardler
wrote:
Can I ask for someone more aware of JSPWiki activities please provide
a summary of why the proposals to declare failure in Jan were
rejected
and what activities have been undertaken to turn this "failure" to
graduation. Please don't feel you need to defend the proposal, I'm
just looking for information to support my vote and also to help me
think about the discussions a couple of months ago about different
styles of incubation activity.
+1 See also my related comments on the recent JSPWiki report:
http://markmail.org/message/xp34re25nadi4w6q
Are any of the JSPWiki mentors (I see Dave Johnson, Craig Russell,
Henning Schmiedehausen and Sam Ruby listed) still actively following
the project? Nobody signed off the JSPWiki report and I got no
responses to my status update question on general@.
IIIUC JSPWiki still hasn't made an official Apache release. Besides
being a graduation blocker ("Demonstrate ability to create Apache
releases" [1]), completing that task should also be a good way to both
demonstrate and increase community activity. Thus I recommend that you
cut a release before targeting graduation.
[1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#checklist
BR,
Jukka Zitting
Craig L Russell
Architect, Oracle
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Re: [VOTE] Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator
Hi Ross, no worries, community voting is also meant to bring up this kind of conversations too. I will try to -briefly- express my opinion. You are quoting the discussion started at [1], followed up at [2]. I would like to highlight Florian's comments on first thread at [3], which summarize pretty well the state of the project. We took Roller as an example of a succesful Apache project, which is close to what happens to JSPWiki: mature project + small numbers of committers, with little time. So, as a community, we decided to proceed with graduation (thread at [2]). In that sense, is not that I have championed anything, just proceeded with what we decided previously. JSPWiki, unlike most Apache projects, is backed by several individuals who work on it only on their free time, so the absence of committers is felt deeper than in other projects. The first thing we should do after we graduate is to somehow ease the initial jump-in into the project. We have postponed this step after graduation because we needed to set a line somewhere in our long journey through incubation, and we felt that current trunk is mature enough to be considered as an Apache TLP ([2] again, heavily summarized). kind regards, juan pablo [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-jspwiki-dev/201201.mbox/%3C24918B2E-766A-4F7D-9C8D-F16EA030F392%40ecyrd.com%3E [2] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-jspwiki-dev/201201.mbox/%3CCABp47Es8BGj5jcx6ysP7RxFxBw7_zkrHb8Rbz-Fn7noueutA%3DQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E [3] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-jspwiki-dev/201201.mbox/%3Cbdd708d4-057d-4d20-acc2-24cc55cb3782%40vm103%3E On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > Looking at the community activity this project looks like it lacks the > diversity required. For example, on the vote thread on the projects > own dev list there were only three +1 votes, one of which came from > someone who has only ever posted to the dev list on two other > occasions. > > Furthermore I'm worried that in Janne said: > > "The point of Apache Incubation is to incubate a community of people who > can > create good software. So far our community seems to be dwindling more than > increasing (and I accept the blame for that - I just haven't had the time > nor > the interest to put into this project). So I don't think it's wrong to say > that > our incubation has essentially failed, and that we should consider some > other > avenue, and go away from messing up the Apache Incubator." > > and Harry said: > > "We simply can't get people interested in doing the necessary things, both > the tech work and the non-tech work, and I personally do not have that much > time for the project either anymore. > So moving over to github is fine for me. (what will be the starting point > in github BTW, the current trunk, or 2.8.4 ?)" > > Now we have this proposal to graduate. Juan Pablo didn't like the idea > of saying incubation had failed and has championed graduation. > > Can I ask for someone more aware of JSPWiki activities please provide > a summary of why the proposals to declare failure in Jan were rejected > and what activities have been undertaken to turn this "failure" to > graduation. Please don't feel you need to defend the proposal, I'm > just looking for information to support my vote and also to help me > think about the discussions a couple of months ago about different > styles of incubation activity. > > Ross > > On 15 April 2012 23:46, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez > wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > The Apache JSPWiki project entered Incubator in October of 2007. Since > then > > we have added two new committers from diverse organizations. The codebase > > of our product has been growing slowly but surely, and we think is mature > > enough to go through graduation; also, we have made two releases > following > > the ASF policies and guidelines. Thanks to the mentorship we have > received > > through this period, we have learnt to self-govern and grow our community > > using accepted Apache practices. > > > > Given these milestones, I feel that JSPWiki is ready to graduate from > > Incubator. > > > > The first step towards graduation is to vote as a community that JSPWiki > is > > ready to graduate. If the vote is successful, we will draft a board > > resolution proposal and call it to vote on the general Incubator list. > The > > complete graduation process is described [1]. > > > > Please cast your votes: > > > > [ ] +1 Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator > > [ ] +0 Indifferent to graduation status of JSPWiki > > [ ] +1 Reject graduation of JSPWiki from Incubator > > > > This vote will remain open for at least 72 hours from now. > > > > [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html > > > > > > Thanks, > > juan pablo > > > > -- > Ross Gardler (@rgardler) > Programme Leader (Open Development) > OpenDirective http://opendirective.com > > - >
Re: [VOTE] Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator
Graduation is very much *not* about maturity of the code, and very much about maturity of the community. 2012/4/16 Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez : > Hi Ross, > > no worries, community voting is also meant to bring up this kind of > conversations too. I will try to -briefly- express my opinion. > > You are quoting the discussion started at [1], followed up at [2]. I would > like to highlight Florian's comments on first thread at [3], which > summarize pretty well the state of the project. We took Roller as an > example of a succesful Apache project, which is close to what happens to > JSPWiki: mature project + small numbers of committers, with little time. > > So, as a community, we decided to proceed with graduation (thread at [2]). > In that sense, is not that I have championed anything, just proceeded with > what we decided previously. > > JSPWiki, unlike most Apache projects, is backed by several individuals who > work on it only on their free time, so the absence of committers is felt > deeper than in other projects. The first thing we should do after we > graduate is to somehow ease the initial jump-in into the project. We have > postponed this step after graduation because we needed to set a line > somewhere in our long journey through incubation, and we felt that current > trunk is mature enough to be considered as an Apache TLP ([2] again, > heavily summarized). > > > kind regards, > juan pablo > > [1] > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-jspwiki-dev/201201.mbox/%3C24918B2E-766A-4F7D-9C8D-F16EA030F392%40ecyrd.com%3E > > [2] > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-jspwiki-dev/201201.mbox/%3CCABp47Es8BGj5jcx6ysP7RxFxBw7_zkrHb8Rbz-Fn7noueutA%3DQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E > > [3] > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-jspwiki-dev/201201.mbox/%3Cbdd708d4-057d-4d20-acc2-24cc55cb3782%40vm103%3E > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Ross Gardler > wrote: > >> Looking at the community activity this project looks like it lacks the >> diversity required. For example, on the vote thread on the projects >> own dev list there were only three +1 votes, one of which came from >> someone who has only ever posted to the dev list on two other >> occasions. >> >> Furthermore I'm worried that in Janne said: >> >> "The point of Apache Incubation is to incubate a community of people who >> can >> create good software. So far our community seems to be dwindling more than >> increasing (and I accept the blame for that - I just haven't had the time >> nor >> the interest to put into this project). So I don't think it's wrong to say >> that >> our incubation has essentially failed, and that we should consider some >> other >> avenue, and go away from messing up the Apache Incubator." >> >> and Harry said: >> >> "We simply can't get people interested in doing the necessary things, both >> the tech work and the non-tech work, and I personally do not have that much >> time for the project either anymore. >> So moving over to github is fine for me. (what will be the starting point >> in github BTW, the current trunk, or 2.8.4 ?)" >> >> Now we have this proposal to graduate. Juan Pablo didn't like the idea >> of saying incubation had failed and has championed graduation. >> >> Can I ask for someone more aware of JSPWiki activities please provide >> a summary of why the proposals to declare failure in Jan were rejected >> and what activities have been undertaken to turn this "failure" to >> graduation. Please don't feel you need to defend the proposal, I'm >> just looking for information to support my vote and also to help me >> think about the discussions a couple of months ago about different >> styles of incubation activity. >> >> Ross >> >> On 15 April 2012 23:46, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez >> wrote: >> > Hello all, >> > >> > The Apache JSPWiki project entered Incubator in October of 2007. Since >> then >> > we have added two new committers from diverse organizations. The codebase >> > of our product has been growing slowly but surely, and we think is mature >> > enough to go through graduation; also, we have made two releases >> following >> > the ASF policies and guidelines. Thanks to the mentorship we have >> received >> > through this period, we have learnt to self-govern and grow our community >> > using accepted Apache practices. >> > >> > Given these milestones, I feel that JSPWiki is ready to graduate from >> > Incubator. >> > >> > The first step towards graduation is to vote as a community that JSPWiki >> is >> > ready to graduate. If the vote is successful, we will draft a board >> > resolution proposal and call it to vote on the general Incubator list. >> The >> > complete graduation process is described [1]. >> > >> > Please cast your votes: >> > >> > [ ] +1 Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator >> > [ ] +0 Indifferent to graduation status of JSPWiki >> > [ ] +1 Reject graduation of JSPWiki from Incubator >> > >> > This vote will remain open for at least 72 hours from now.
Re: [VOTE] Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator
100% agree; I was intending to solely stress the fact that we had the same concerns pointed by Ross, but we felt JSPWiki could still stand as an Apache TLP (hence the decision to graduate), and, most important, all of this was community-driven, not as the result of some individuals likings. kind regards, juan pablo On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > Graduation is very much *not* about maturity of the code, and very > much about maturity of the community. > > 2012/4/16 Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez : > > Hi Ross, > > > > no worries, community voting is also meant to bring up this kind of > > conversations too. I will try to -briefly- express my opinion. > > > > You are quoting the discussion started at [1], followed up at [2]. I > would > > like to highlight Florian's comments on first thread at [3], which > > summarize pretty well the state of the project. We took Roller as an > > example of a succesful Apache project, which is close to what happens to > > JSPWiki: mature project + small numbers of committers, with little time. > > > > So, as a community, we decided to proceed with graduation (thread at > [2]). > > In that sense, is not that I have championed anything, just proceeded > with > > what we decided previously. > > > > JSPWiki, unlike most Apache projects, is backed by several individuals > who > > work on it only on their free time, so the absence of committers is felt > > deeper than in other projects. The first thing we should do after we > > graduate is to somehow ease the initial jump-in into the project. We have > > postponed this step after graduation because we needed to set a line > > somewhere in our long journey through incubation, and we felt that > current > > trunk is mature enough to be considered as an Apache TLP ([2] again, > > heavily summarized). > > > > > > kind regards, > > juan pablo > > > > [1] > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-jspwiki-dev/201201.mbox/%3C24918B2E-766A-4F7D-9C8D-F16EA030F392%40ecyrd.com%3E > > > > [2] > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-jspwiki-dev/201201.mbox/%3CCABp47Es8BGj5jcx6ysP7RxFxBw7_zkrHb8Rbz-Fn7noueutA%3DQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E > > > > [3] > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-jspwiki-dev/201201.mbox/%3Cbdd708d4-057d-4d20-acc2-24cc55cb3782%40vm103%3E > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Ross Gardler < > rgard...@opendirective.com>wrote: > > > >> Looking at the community activity this project looks like it lacks the > >> diversity required. For example, on the vote thread on the projects > >> own dev list there were only three +1 votes, one of which came from > >> someone who has only ever posted to the dev list on two other > >> occasions. > >> > >> Furthermore I'm worried that in Janne said: > >> > >> "The point of Apache Incubation is to incubate a community of people who > >> can > >> create good software. So far our community seems to be dwindling more > than > >> increasing (and I accept the blame for that - I just haven't had the > time > >> nor > >> the interest to put into this project). So I don't think it's wrong to > say > >> that > >> our incubation has essentially failed, and that we should consider some > >> other > >> avenue, and go away from messing up the Apache Incubator." > >> > >> and Harry said: > >> > >> "We simply can't get people interested in doing the necessary things, > both > >> the tech work and the non-tech work, and I personally do not have that > much > >> time for the project either anymore. > >> So moving over to github is fine for me. (what will be the starting > point > >> in github BTW, the current trunk, or 2.8.4 ?)" > >> > >> Now we have this proposal to graduate. Juan Pablo didn't like the idea > >> of saying incubation had failed and has championed graduation. > >> > >> Can I ask for someone more aware of JSPWiki activities please provide > >> a summary of why the proposals to declare failure in Jan were rejected > >> and what activities have been undertaken to turn this "failure" to > >> graduation. Please don't feel you need to defend the proposal, I'm > >> just looking for information to support my vote and also to help me > >> think about the discussions a couple of months ago about different > >> styles of incubation activity. > >> > >> Ross > >> > >> On 15 April 2012 23:46, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez > >> wrote: > >> > Hello all, > >> > > >> > The Apache JSPWiki project entered Incubator in October of 2007. Since > >> then > >> > we have added two new committers from diverse organizations. The > codebase > >> > of our product has been growing slowly but surely, and we think is > mature > >> > enough to go through graduation; also, we have made two releases > >> following > >> > the ASF policies and guidelines. Thanks to the mentorship we have > >> received > >> > through this period, we have learnt to self-govern and grow our > community > >> > using accepted Apache practices. > >> > > >> > Given thes
Re: [VOTE] Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator
+1. On 16 Apr 2012, at 01:46, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez wrote: > Hello all, > > The Apache JSPWiki project entered Incubator in October of 2007. Since then > we have added two new committers from diverse organizations. The codebase > of our product has been growing slowly but surely, and we think is mature > enough to go through graduation; also, we have made two releases following > the ASF policies and guidelines. Thanks to the mentorship we have received > through this period, we have learnt to self-govern and grow our community > using accepted Apache practices. > > Given these milestones, I feel that JSPWiki is ready to graduate from > Incubator. > > The first step towards graduation is to vote as a community that JSPWiki is > ready to graduate. If the vote is successful, we will draft a board > resolution proposal and call it to vote on the general Incubator list. The > complete graduation process is described [1]. > > Please cast your votes: > > [ ] +1 Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator > [ ] +0 Indifferent to graduation status of JSPWiki > [ ] +1 Reject graduation of JSPWiki from Incubator > > This vote will remain open for at least 72 hours from now. > > [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html > > > Thanks, > juan pablo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator
On Apr 16, 2012 11:26 AM, "Jukka Zitting" wrote:
>
> Are any of the JSPWiki mentors (I see Dave Johnson, Craig Russell,
> Henning Schmiedehausen and Sam Ruby listed) still actively following
> the project? Nobody signed off the JSPWiki report and I got no
> responses to my status update question on general@.
>
> IIIUC JSPWiki still hasn't made an official Apache release. Besides
> being a graduation blocker ("Demonstrate ability to create Apache
> releases" [1]), completing that task should also be a good way to both
> demonstrate and increase community activity. Thus I recommend that you
> cut a release before targeting graduation.
+1
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#checklist
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
- Sam Ruby
[jira] [Commented] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-6) Establish whether "Apache Etch" is a suitable name
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