Graduation is very much *not* about maturity of the code, and very much about maturity of the community.
2012/4/16 Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez <juanpablo.san...@gmail.com>: > Hi Ross, > > no worries, community voting is also meant to bring up this kind of > conversations too. I will try to -briefly- express my opinion. > > You are quoting the discussion started at [1], followed up at [2]. I would > like to highlight Florian's comments on first thread at [3], which > summarize pretty well the state of the project. We took Roller as an > example of a succesful Apache project, which is close to what happens to > JSPWiki: mature project + small numbers of committers, with little time. > > So, as a community, we decided to proceed with graduation (thread at [2]). > In that sense, is not that I have championed anything, just proceeded with > what we decided previously. > > JSPWiki, unlike most Apache projects, is backed by several individuals who > work on it only on their free time, so the absence of committers is felt > deeper than in other projects. The first thing we should do after we > graduate is to somehow ease the initial jump-in into the project. We have > postponed this step after graduation because we needed to set a line > somewhere in our long journey through incubation, and we felt that current > trunk is mature enough to be considered as an Apache TLP ([2] again, > heavily summarized). > > > kind regards, > juan pablo > > [1] > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-jspwiki-dev/201201.mbox/%3C24918B2E-766A-4F7D-9C8D-F16EA030F392%40ecyrd.com%3E > > [2] > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-jspwiki-dev/201201.mbox/%3CCABp47Es8BGj5jcx6ysP7RxFxBw7_zkrHb8Rbz-Fn7noueutA%3DQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E > > [3] > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-jspwiki-dev/201201.mbox/%3Cbdd708d4-057d-4d20-acc2-24cc55cb3782%40vm103%3E > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Ross Gardler > <rgard...@opendirective.com>wrote: > >> Looking at the community activity this project looks like it lacks the >> diversity required. For example, on the vote thread on the projects >> own dev list there were only three +1 votes, one of which came from >> someone who has only ever posted to the dev list on two other >> occasions. >> >> Furthermore I'm worried that in Janne said: >> >> "The point of Apache Incubation is to incubate a community of people who >> can >> create good software. So far our community seems to be dwindling more than >> increasing (and I accept the blame for that - I just haven't had the time >> nor >> the interest to put into this project). So I don't think it's wrong to say >> that >> our incubation has essentially failed, and that we should consider some >> other >> avenue, and go away from messing up the Apache Incubator." >> >> and Harry said: >> >> "We simply can't get people interested in doing the necessary things, both >> the tech work and the non-tech work, and I personally do not have that much >> time for the project either anymore. >> So moving over to github is fine for me. (what will be the starting point >> in github BTW, the current trunk, or 2.8.4 ?)" >> >> Now we have this proposal to graduate. Juan Pablo didn't like the idea >> of saying incubation had failed and has championed graduation. >> >> Can I ask for someone more aware of JSPWiki activities please provide >> a summary of why the proposals to declare failure in Jan were rejected >> and what activities have been undertaken to turn this "failure" to >> graduation. Please don't feel you need to defend the proposal, I'm >> just looking for information to support my vote and also to help me >> think about the discussions a couple of months ago about different >> styles of incubation activity. >> >> Ross >> >> On 15 April 2012 23:46, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez >> <juanpa...@apache.org> wrote: >> > Hello all, >> > >> > The Apache JSPWiki project entered Incubator in October of 2007. Since >> then >> > we have added two new committers from diverse organizations. The codebase >> > of our product has been growing slowly but surely, and we think is mature >> > enough to go through graduation; also, we have made two releases >> following >> > the ASF policies and guidelines. Thanks to the mentorship we have >> received >> > through this period, we have learnt to self-govern and grow our community >> > using accepted Apache practices. >> > >> > Given these milestones, I feel that JSPWiki is ready to graduate from >> > Incubator. >> > >> > The first step towards graduation is to vote as a community that JSPWiki >> is >> > ready to graduate. If the vote is successful, we will draft a board >> > resolution proposal and call it to vote on the general Incubator list. >> The >> > complete graduation process is described [1]. >> > >> > Please cast your votes: >> > >> > [ ] +1 Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator >> > [ ] +0 Indifferent to graduation status of JSPWiki >> > [ ] +1 Reject graduation of JSPWiki from Incubator >> > >> > This vote will remain open for at least 72 hours from now. >> > >> > [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html >> > >> > >> > Thanks, >> > juan pablo >> >> >> >> -- >> Ross Gardler (@rgardler) >> Programme Leader (Open Development) >> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
