Re: [PROPOSAL] Etch

[Grant Ingersoll]

FWIW, I'm +1 on the proposal, regardless of the name.


On Aug 13, 2008, at 12:58 PM, scott comer wrote:


the discussion about names seems somewhat done. it is easy to get the
impression from the volume that there is a demand for name change. in
my opinion there isn't. certainly names is a rich topic and the  
discussion
would never die down on it's own because it is so much fun. it's a  
wonder

anything gets done...

here is a summary of who's responded to our proposal and an indication
of the topic.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1
[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1 (MENTOR)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1 (TOOMANY, NAME)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1 (NAME)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1 (TOOGOOD, TOOMANY, NAME, MENTOR)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1
[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1 (TOOMANY, MENTOR)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (TOOMANY)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (NAME)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (QUESTION)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (NAME)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (NAME)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (NAME)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (TOOMANY)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (TOOMANY)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (NAME)

of the people that mention name (8), only 3 are voting:

henning: concerned about confusion with debian. only says we need to  
be careful and explicit.
niall: wants to see the q resolved. likes the name, sees no real  
objection.

niclas: conflict with debian; only worries about it.

of the rest, most like the name etch and seem to be just "tossing  
the ball around".


the main other concern is that of confusion with Debian Etch vs.  
Apache Etch. There
was some discussion about whether etch could get to the top of the  
google list.


so, can we put the name question to bed? it was suggested that the  
podling could/should

decide the issue for itself, later. is there a problem with that?

are there any other concerns about the proposal which aren't  
addressed?


scott out



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Re: [Proposal] Windmill

[Les Hazlewood]

Hi Mikeal,

Excellent answer, thanks very much for the clarification.  I myself have
enjoyed using Selenium in the past, and Windmill sounds like a definite
improvement.  It sounds great - I think it would be a worthwhile Incubator
project.

+1 (non-binding)

Thanks,

Les

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Mikeal Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Of those 3 it's the most like Selenium.
>
> As far as I know the "proxy spoof" method was pioneered by Selenium and
> we've continued to use/evolve that method of "tricking" the browser's same
> domain security policy. Our implementation of the test API has been very
> different from selenium as is our proxy <-> javascript communication
> workflow.
>
> Since our initial release we've done a lot of feature work around the
> recording, debugging, and test editing workflows. We've also done a good
> amount of work both in the proxy and in the javascript layer to make having
> a single test move around different target domains remain seamless and
> transparent.
>
> It's been a while since I used Selenium so I can't comment on their current
> feature list compared to ours, but at the time we decided to write Windmill
> we were incredibly frustrated with the process of maintaining tests written
> in Selenium in an environment where the target product changed rapidly. We
> found that debugging and editing a test after changes to the product to be
> as difficult as writing the entire test all over again from scratch and have
> continued to improve windmill around our own use cases as well as user
> community feedback.
>
> I hope that answers your question, this was a fairly high level answer, if
> you'd like I can go over any of those features/differences in more detail
> and point you at any code.
>
> -Mikeal
>
>
> On Aug 14, 2008, at August 14, 20081:40 PM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>
>  Just out of curiosity, where does this fit in versus, say, Selenium, MaxQ,
>> Canoo WebTest, and others?
>>
>> There's nothing wrong if Windmill does the same stuff - I'm just curious
>> what it can do in comparison.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Les
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Mikeal Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >wrote:
>>
>>  This is a proposal to enter the incubator.
>>>
>>> See http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WindmillProposal for the most
>>> up-to-date version.
>>>
>>> We look forward to comments and discussion.
>>>
>>> = Abstract =
>>>
>>> The goal of Windmill is to build the best tool for automated testing of
>>> dynamic Web applications across all major browsers.
>>>
>>> = Proposal =
>>>
>>> Windmill provides a full-stack automation solution for dynamic
>>> Web-application testing.
>>>
>>> It accomplishes this by implementing an extensive test API in JavaScript,
>>> and providing an intelligent proxy that can overcome the browser's
>>> same-domain security policy. The test API allows a single test to run on
>>> every major browser across all major operating systems.
>>>
>>> Windmill boasts a wide range of debugging and test-authoring tools that
>>> make test writing, debugging, and editing a more streamlined process.
>>>
>>> = Background =
>>>
>>> Windmill was created at the Open Source Applications Foundation by Mikeal
>>> Rogers and Adam Christian to test the Chandler Server Web UI. It was
>>> announced more broadly at OSCON 2007 and has since enjoyed a wide range
>>> of
>>> use and contributions.
>>>
>>> In January 2008, all the full-time, paid contributors from OSAF moved on
>>> to
>>> other employment. The project has since retained steady contribution
>>> despite
>>> having no full-time, paid contributors.
>>>
>>> In July 2008, we proposed the project move its hosting away from OSAF
>>> because of uncertainty about long term sustainability -- due to OSAF's
>>> transition to a smaller-scale, mostly volunteer structure.
>>>
>>> = Rationale =
>>>
>>> Windmill was created to fulfill a need for a better dynamic
>>> Web-application
>>> testing tool after much frustration with existing solutions. We believe
>>> it
>>> has accomplished this goal and continues to improve, with ongoing, open
>>> interaction with the community.
>>>
>>> What the project currently lacks is clear direction, leadership, and
>>> process. We believe the project would benefit greatly from Incubator
>>> mentorship, which would allow it to see much wider adoption, and grow a
>>> broader community.
>>>
>>> = Current Status =
>>>
>>> == Meritocracy ==
>>>
>>> Since the project's inception, its development has been coordinated
>>> through
>>> collaborative decision-making (e.g., "+1 voting") on the mailing list,
>>> and
>>> open discussion on IRC.
>>>
>>> == Community ==
>>>
>>> Although the list of Core Developers has remained small we've welcomed
>>> outside contributions. Along with a few small but good patches, we've
>>> received some very good bugs and numerous features requests from the
>>> community. Our wiki documentation is being continually improved by our
>>> users.
>>>
>>> We also have a very good repu

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Re: [VOTE] Apache CouchDB 0.8.1-incubating release

[Ted Leung]

+1

On Aug 13, 2008, at 10:12 AM, Noah Slater wrote:


Hello,

The community has approved a release of Apache CouchDB 0.8.1- 
incubating.


Pursuant to the Releases section of the Incubation Policy we would  
now like to

request the approval of the Incubator PMC to make the release.

Release proposal:

 
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-couchdb-dev/200808.mbox/[EMAIL
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Vote result:

 
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-couchdb-dev/200808.mbox/[EMAIL
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Please note that the vote result contains an error, we had four  
binding and two
non binding +1 votes which exceeds the minimum three +1 votes  
required.


Thanks,

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[VOTE] Release Apache Pig 0.1.0-incubating

[Olga Natkovich]

Hi Everyone,

Apache Pig would like to release Pig 0.1.0-incubating. This is a second
try. We have changed the NOTICE file to contain copyright statements
from libraries Pig depends on. 

Since the change is very small, I am starting this thread in parallel
with the vote on pig-dev mailing list. The MessageId for that thread is
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

The new artifacts are available at
http://people.apache.org/~olga/pig-0.1.0-candidate-5/
 

The keys used to sign the release are available at
/www/www.apache.org/dist/incubator/pig/KEYS on people.apache.org

Please vote by 6 pm on Wednesday, 8/20.

Thanks,

Olga

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Pig 0.1.0-incubating

[Yoav Shapira]

On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Olga Natkovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The new artifacts are available at
> http://people.apache.org/~olga/pig-0.1.0-candidate-5/
> 

+1.

Yoav

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