[VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
I'd like to call a vote on our incubator proposal. There hasn't been any negative feedback so far, we found mentors, and we are eager to move ahead with the process. See the latest proposal text below. Andrus --- Cayenne Incubator Proposal Section 0 : Rationale Cayenne is an open source component-oriented persistence framework licensed under the Apache License, providing object-relational mapping (ORM) and remoting services. With a wealth of unique and powerful features, Cayenne can address a wide range of persistence needs. Cayenne seamlessly binds one or more database schemas directly to Java objects, managing atomic commit and rollbacks, SQL generation, joins, sequences, and more. With Cayenne's Remote Object Persistence, those Java objects can even be persisted out to clients via Web Services. Or, with native XML serialization, objects can be even further persisted to non-Java clients - such as an Ajax-capable browser. In addition to this existing functionality, Cayenne is currently building a JPA-compatible persistence provider (JSR-220). In 2001, Cayenne was started as an open source collaborative environment, modeled after ASF. Thus, proposing Cayenne as an ASF project is the logical next step to further expand the community and increase participation. Section 0.1 : Criteria * Meritocracy: The project is and will contiue to be meritocratic, in accordance with the usual Apache meritocracy standards. * Community: Cayenne has a substantial, long-established user and developer community. Two mailing lists receive up to 500 messages per month, and the Jira bug tracker (shared with one other ObjectStyle.org project) has 230 registered users. * Core Developers: Andrus Adamchik (founder), Cris Daniluk, Michael Gentry, Tore Halset, Mike Kienenberger, Kevin Menard, Eric Schneider * Alignment: We propose Cayenne as a TLP within the ASF, sponsored by the Incubator TLP. * License: Cayenne is currently licensed under the Apache License 1.1, with the intention of switching to Apache License 2.0. Section 0.2 : Warning Signs * Orphaned Software: Cayenne has a high volume of development activity. On a release date, our freshmeat.net "vitality rating" is typically #15-20, out of over 4 registered projects. * Experience With Open Source: Cayenne was started as an open source project in 2001 and has remained so for 5 years. * Homogenous Developers: Most of the current active committers met each other through the Cayenne community. None work for the same company. * Reliance on salaried developers: There is not a single Cayenne committer who is compensated for their efforts - we are a 100% volunteer project. * No Ties to Other Apache Products: Cayenne itself uses a number of Apache libraries, such as commons-*, velocity, log4j. Cayenne integrates with Derby and has Struts and Tapestry examples. Our user community overlaps with Tapestry and the MyFaces communities to some extent. We are planning to contribute a JPA provider to Geronimo, and have already taken some steps to work with the OpenEJB project, who will be providing JSR-220 implementation to Geronimo. We are open to collaboration and finding synergies with other Apache projects (e.g., those that require an Apache-licensed ORM). * Achieving the Apache Brand is a Prominent Goal: As indicated elsewhere in this proposal, Cayenne was founded with many of the same fundamental goals of ASF, regarding meritocracy and community building, and it has been licensed under Apache License. We remain committed to these goals as we move to ASF. Section 1 : Scope of the project Cayenne presently consists of an Object-Relational Mapping framework (ORM), a Swing Toolset for ORM and Swing bindings, an early version of an XML serialization framework and a Remote Object Persistence framework. We have started an effort to provide a full Cayenne-based implementation of the Java Persistence API, compliant with JSR-220 (aka EJB3). Section 2 : Initial source from which the project is to be populated Current Cayenne sources at http://objectstyle.org/cayenne/ Section 3: Identify the ASF resources to be created Section 3.1 : Mailing Lists * cayenne-dev * cayenne-user * cayenne-scm * cayenne-ppmc * need to import lists of subscribers from current ezmlm ObjectStyle.org lists. Section 3.2: SVN Repositories * cayenne (need to import current CVS) Section 3.3: Issue Tracking * Need a new Jira project called CAYENNE. * Need to import current issues from ObjectStyle.org Jira Section 4: Identify the Initial Set of Committers ASF Committers * Mike Kienenberger (MyFaces PMC - apache user id 'mkienenb') Non-ASF Committers * Andrus Adamchik * Cris Daniluk * Michael Gentry * Tore Halset * Kevin Menard * Eric Schnei
Re: [VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
+1 -Ted. On 3/2/06, Andrus Adamchik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd like to call a vote on our incubator proposal. There hasn't been > any negative feedback so far, we found mentors, and we are eager to > move ahead with the process. > > See the latest proposal text below. > > Andrus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
Hola, On 3/2/06, Andrus Adamchik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd like to call a vote on our incubator proposal. There hasn't been > any negative feedback so far, we found mentors, and we are eager to > move ahead with the process. No negative feedback, but I thought we agreed on the DB project as the first destination, and then possibly a TLP later? > * Alignment: We propose Cayenne as a TLP within the ASF, > sponsored by the Incubator TLP. Other than this the rest looks good. Yoav - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
> On 3/2/06, Andrus Adamchik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd like to call a vote on our incubator proposal. There hasn't been > > any negative feedback so far, we found mentors, and we are eager to > > move ahead with the process. > > No negative feedback, but I thought we agreed on the DB project as the > first destination, and then possibly a TLP later? > I think the consensus was that a decision would be made when (and hopefully once) Cayenne graduates from Incubation. We are under the impression (from comments in the previous thread) that a decision does not need to be made until then. Cris Daniluk - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
On 3/2/06, Andrus Adamchik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd like to call a vote on our incubator proposal. There hasn't been > any negative feedback so far, we found mentors, and we are eager to > move ahead with the process. Mhm, why is the Incubator PMC now the sponsor instead of the DB PMC ? Tom - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mar 2, 2006, at 5:07 PM, Yoav Shapira wrote: On 3/2/06, Andrus Adamchik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'd like to call a vote on our incubator proposal. There hasn't been any negative feedback so far, we found mentors, and we are eager to move ahead with the process. No negative feedback, but I thought we agreed on the DB project as the first destination, and then possibly a TLP later? My impression was that the consensus was to postpone such decision till we graduate from the incubator, as there was support for both options, even from within DB community. I am personally not against the DB option, but see my other posts on why I think TLP makes much more sense: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/ 200602.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Andrus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sorry, this is confusion on my end. I will change the Sponsor to DB, but is this consistent with the fact that we have no final decision on how Cayenne will graduate from the incubator (as TLP or DB subproject)? Andrus On Mar 2, 2006, at 5:16 PM, Thomas Dudziak wrote: On 3/2/06, Andrus Adamchik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'd like to call a vote on our incubator proposal. There hasn't been any negative feedback so far, we found mentors, and we are eager to move ahead with the process. Mhm, why is the Incubator PMC now the sponsor instead of the DB PMC ? Tom - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mar 2, 2006, at 9:12 AM, Cris Daniluk wrote: On 3/2/06, Andrus Adamchik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'd like to call a vote on our incubator proposal. There hasn't been any negative feedback so far, we found mentors, and we are eager to move ahead with the process. No negative feedback, but I thought we agreed on the DB project as the first destination, and then possibly a TLP later? I think the consensus was that a decision would be made when (and hopefully once) Cayenne graduates from Incubation. We are under the impression (from comments in the previous thread) that a decision does not need to be made until then. Not quite. For example, say that, for some reason, during Incubation the DB project changes it's mind. Since it's not the Sponsoring project, it places Cayenne and the Incubator in a bad position. If DB is willing to be the graduating PMC, it is easier to change graduation from a sub-project to a TLP rather than the reverse. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Has the DB project voted to accept the sponsorship? If DB is going to be the sponsor, then another vote by the Incubator PMC is unnecessary. -Ted. On 3/2/06, Andrus Adamchik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sorry, this is confusion on my end. I will change the Sponsor to DB, > but is this consistent with the fact that we have no final decision > on how Cayenne will graduate from the incubator (as TLP or DB > subproject)? > > Andrus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 3/2/06, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Has the DB project voted to accept the sponsorship? > > If DB is going to be the sponsor, then another vote by the Incubator > PMC is unnecessary. Not AFAIK. I for one would be in favor of having the DB PMC sponsor Cayenne because it fits there (regardless of where it will graduate to). If Cayenne wants the DB PMC instead of the Incubator PMC to sponsor its incubation, then I'll start a vote there. Tom - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mar 2, 2006, at 5:34 PM, Thomas Dudziak wrote: On 3/2/06, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Has the DB project voted to accept the sponsorship? If DB is going to be the sponsor, then another vote by the Incubator PMC is unnecessary. Not AFAIK. I for one would be in favor of having the DB PMC sponsor Cayenne because it fits there (regardless of where it will graduate to). If Cayenne wants the DB PMC instead of the Incubator PMC to sponsor its incubation, then I'll start a vote there. Tom This (and what Jim said a few minutes ago) is consistent with my understanding of the current situation. I just made changes to the proposal on Wiki to reflect that DB PMC is a sponsor. See this link with highlighted changes: http://objectstyle.org/confluence/pages/diffpages.action? pageId=1121&originalId=1120 So if now the vote moves to DB, what mailing list is it going to be on? [EMAIL PROTECTED], or is there another PMC list? Andrus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 3/2/06, Andrus Adamchik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This (and what Jim said a few minutes ago) is consistent with my > understanding of the current situation. I just made changes to the > proposal on Wiki to reflect that DB PMC is a sponsor. See this link > with highlighted changes: > > http://objectstyle.org/confluence/pages/diffpages.action? > pageId=1121&originalId=1120 > > So if now the vote moves to DB, what mailing list is it going to be > on? [EMAIL PROTECTED], or is there another PMC list? > > Andrus First, the Cayenne community should vote among themselves to affirm that they would be willing to join DB. Then, someone in the DB PMC can call for the vote there. Once the DB vote passes, then you can announce the vote on general@, and proceed from there. (See, for example, the Struts/Webwork2 process.) But, we don't want to start out by having one or two individuals make unilateral decisions for the community. -Ted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ted, The community has been aware of our two graduation options. The issue of sponsorship, albeit the important one, doesn't change the goal of the proposal. Cris just posted a note to our committer list to inform everybody who is not watching [EMAIL PROTECTED] of the current developments. But I think we can proceed with the DB PMC vote. Andrus On Mar 2, 2006, at 5:57 PM, Ted Husted wrote: On 3/2/06, Andrus Adamchik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This (and what Jim said a few minutes ago) is consistent with my understanding of the current situation. I just made changes to the proposal on Wiki to reflect that DB PMC is a sponsor. See this link with highlighted changes: http://objectstyle.org/confluence/pages/diffpages.action? pageId=1121&originalId=1120 So if now the vote moves to DB, what mailing list is it going to be on? [EMAIL PROTECTED], or is there another PMC list? Andrus First, the Cayenne community should vote among themselves to affirm that they would be willing to join DB. Then, someone in the DB PMC can call for the vote there. Once the DB vote passes, then you can announce the vote on general@, and proceed from there. (See, for example, the Struts/Webwork2 process.) But, we don't want to start out by having one or two individuals make unilateral decisions for the community. -Ted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes, we've already discussed this in the cayenne community and are in agreement that while we'd prefer TLP, we're ok with being under DB or Geronimo. -Mike On 3/2/06, Andrus Adamchik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ted, > > The community has been aware of our two graduation options. The issue > of sponsorship, albeit the important one, doesn't change the goal of > the proposal. Cris just posted a note to our committer list to inform > everybody who is not watching [EMAIL PROTECTED] of the current > developments. But I think we can proceed with the DB PMC vote. > > Andrus > > > On Mar 2, 2006, at 5:57 PM, Ted Husted wrote: > > > On 3/2/06, Andrus Adamchik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> This (and what Jim said a few minutes ago) is consistent with my > >> understanding of the current situation. I just made changes to the > >> proposal on Wiki to reflect that DB PMC is a sponsor. See this link > >> with highlighted changes: > >> > >> http://objectstyle.org/confluence/pages/diffpages.action? > >> pageId=1121&originalId=1120 > >> > >> So if now the vote moves to DB, what mailing list is it going to be > >> on? [EMAIL PROTECTED], or is there another PMC list? > >> > >> Andrus > > > > First, the Cayenne community should vote among themselves to affirm > > that they would be willing to join DB. > > > > Then, someone in the DB PMC can call for the vote there. Once the DB > > vote passes, then you can announce the vote on general@, and proceed > > from there. (See, for example, the Struts/Webwork2 process.) > > > > But, we don't want to start out by having one or two individuals make > > unilateral decisions for the community. > > > > -Ted. > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Mike Kienenberger wrote: Yes, we've already discussed this in the cayenne community and are in agreement that while we'd prefer TLP, we're ok with being under DB or Geronimo. Geronimo? Sheesh. The issue now is incubation sponsorship, which is independent of landing spot after graduation. Lets just resolve the sponsorship issue and move from there. geir -Mike On 3/2/06, Andrus Adamchik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ted, The community has been aware of our two graduation options. The issue of sponsorship, albeit the important one, doesn't change the goal of the proposal. Cris just posted a note to our committer list to inform everybody who is not watching [EMAIL PROTECTED] of the current developments. But I think we can proceed with the DB PMC vote. Andrus On Mar 2, 2006, at 5:57 PM, Ted Husted wrote: On 3/2/06, Andrus Adamchik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This (and what Jim said a few minutes ago) is consistent with my understanding of the current situation. I just made changes to the proposal on Wiki to reflect that DB PMC is a sponsor. See this link with highlighted changes: http://objectstyle.org/confluence/pages/diffpages.action? pageId=1121&originalId=1120 So if now the vote moves to DB, what mailing list is it going to be on? [EMAIL PROTECTED], or is there another PMC list? Andrus First, the Cayenne community should vote among themselves to affirm that they would be willing to join DB. Then, someone in the DB PMC can call for the vote there. Once the DB vote passes, then you can announce the vote on general@, and proceed from there. (See, for example, the Struts/Webwork2 process.) But, we don't want to start out by having one or two individuals make unilateral decisions for the community. -Ted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Geir, I don't think there is any contradiction between your post and what Mike was saying. If you look at the thread context, we are still talking about how to move with the incubation sponsorship. More to the point, I was the one who started the confusion with the Incubator PMC vote. As far as I can tell it is resolved now. Everybody involved from Cayenne, Incubator, and DB are in favor of DB PMC to be the Sponsor. Andrus On Mar 2, 2006, at 7:33 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: Mike Kienenberger wrote: Yes, we've already discussed this in the cayenne community and are in agreement that while we'd prefer TLP, we're ok with being under DB or Geronimo. Geronimo? Sheesh. The issue now is incubation sponsorship, which is independent of landing spot after graduation. Lets just resolve the sponsorship issue and move from there. geir - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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+1 (non-binding) Regardless of whether DB or Incubator is the official sponsor of this project, I think it has merit and increases the footprint of Apache in the ORM space. Go for it. Craig On Mar 2, 2006, at 1:31 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: I'd like to call a vote on our incubator proposal. There hasn't been any negative feedback so far, we found mentors, and we are eager to move ahead with the process. See the latest proposal text below. Andrus --- Cayenne Incubator Proposal Section 0 : Rationale Cayenne is an open source component-oriented persistence framework licensed under the Apache License, providing object-relational mapping (ORM) and remoting services. With a wealth of unique and powerful features, Cayenne can address a wide range of persistence needs. Cayenne seamlessly binds one or more database schemas directly to Java objects, managing atomic commit and rollbacks, SQL generation, joins, sequences, and more. With Cayenne's Remote Object Persistence, those Java objects can even be persisted out to clients via Web Services. Or, with native XML serialization, objects can be even further persisted to non-Java clients - such as an Ajax-capable browser. In addition to this existing functionality, Cayenne is currently building a JPA-compatible persistence provider (JSR-220). In 2001, Cayenne was started as an open source collaborative environment, modeled after ASF. Thus, proposing Cayenne as an ASF project is the logical next step to further expand the community and increase participation. Section 0.1 : Criteria * Meritocracy: The project is and will contiue to be meritocratic, in accordance with the usual Apache meritocracy standards. * Community: Cayenne has a substantial, long-established user and developer community. Two mailing lists receive up to 500 messages per month, and the Jira bug tracker (shared with one other ObjectStyle.org project) has 230 registered users. * Core Developers: Andrus Adamchik (founder), Cris Daniluk, Michael Gentry, Tore Halset, Mike Kienenberger, Kevin Menard, Eric Schneider * Alignment: We propose Cayenne as a TLP within the ASF, sponsored by the Incubator TLP. * License: Cayenne is currently licensed under the Apache License 1.1, with the intention of switching to Apache License 2.0. Section 0.2 : Warning Signs * Orphaned Software: Cayenne has a high volume of development activity. On a release date, our freshmeat.net "vitality rating" is typically #15-20, out of over 4 registered projects. * Experience With Open Source: Cayenne was started as an open source project in 2001 and has remained so for 5 years. * Homogenous Developers: Most of the current active committers met each other through the Cayenne community. None work for the same company. * Reliance on salaried developers: There is not a single Cayenne committer who is compensated for their efforts - we are a 100% volunteer project. * No Ties to Other Apache Products: Cayenne itself uses a number of Apache libraries, such as commons-*, velocity, log4j. Cayenne integrates with Derby and has Struts and Tapestry examples. Our user community overlaps with Tapestry and the MyFaces communities to some extent. We are planning to contribute a JPA provider to Geronimo, and have already taken some steps to work with the OpenEJB project, who will be providing JSR-220 implementation to Geronimo. We are open to collaboration and finding synergies with other Apache projects (e.g., those that require an Apache-licensed ORM). * Achieving the Apache Brand is a Prominent Goal: As indicated elsewhere in this proposal, Cayenne was founded with many of the same fundamental goals of ASF, regarding meritocracy and community building, and it has been licensed under Apache License. We remain committed to these goals as we move to ASF. Section 1 : Scope of the project Cayenne presently consists of an Object-Relational Mapping framework (ORM), a Swing Toolset for ORM and Swing bindings, an early version of an XML serialization framework and a Remote Object Persistence framework. We have started an effort to provide a full Cayenne-based implementation of the Java Persistence API, compliant with JSR-220 (aka EJB3). Section 2 : Initial source from which the project is to be populated Current Cayenne sources at http://objectstyle.org/cayenne/ Section 3: Identify the ASF resources to be created Section 3.1 : Mailing Lists * cayenne-dev * cayenne-user * cayenne-scm * cayenne-ppmc * need to import lists of subscribers from current ezmlm ObjectStyle.org lists. Section 3.2: SVN Repositories * cayenne (need to import current CVS) Section 3.3: Issue Tracking * Need a new Jira project called CAYENNE. * Need to import current issues from ObjectStyle.org Jira Section 4: I
Re: [VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
On 3/2/06, Andrus Adamchik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > More to the point, I was the one who started the confusion with the > Incubator PMC vote. As far as I can tell it is resolved now. > Everybody involved from Cayenne, Incubator, and DB are in favor of DB > PMC to be the Sponsor. Ok, then I'll start a vote on the DB PMC. Tom - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mar 2, 2006, at 6:24 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: Sorry, this is confusion on my end. I will change the Sponsor to DB, but is this consistent with the fact that we have no final decision on how Cayenne will graduate from the incubator (as TLP or DB subproject)? You cannot actually do that unless the DB PMC votes to sponsor Cayenne, which we haven't done. If Thomas wants to introduce such a motion I'm happy to consider it, but as of yet, it hasn't happened. If that is the path Cayenne wants to take, let us know and we'll chat about it =) -Brian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Mike Kienenberger wrote: > > Yes, we've already discussed this in the cayenne community and are in > > agreement that while we'd prefer TLP, we're ok with being under DB or > > Geronimo. > On 3/2/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Geronimo? Sheesh. > > The issue now is incubation sponsorship, which is independent of landing > spot after graduation. > > Lets just resolve the sponsorship issue and move from there. Yes, my point is that the Cayenne community has discussed a variety of options and we're open to any of those we discussed (TLP, DB, Geronimo, Jakarta). Maybe we should go with Jakarta/Velocity instead? :) After all, we make heavy use of Velocity and other commons projects. We could do the "is it a component/framework thing?" as well as the best of you :) Lots of synergy there :) Calm down, just kidding :) -Mike - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Andrus Adamchik wrote: > Geir, > > I don't think there is any contradiction between your post and what > Mike was saying. If you look at the thread context, we are still > talking about how to move with the incubation sponsorship. > > More to the point, I was the one who started the confusion with the > Incubator PMC vote. As far as I can tell it is resolved now. Everybody > involved from Cayenne, Incubator, and DB are in favor of DB PMC to be > the Sponsor. There has been no vote and no (maybe very little) discussion on DB PMC, so I don't think you can say that everyone from "DB" are in favor of DB PMC being the sponsor. That may be the case, but there's no evidence for it. Dan. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 3/2/06, Daniel John Debrunner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > More to the point, I was the one who started the confusion with the > > Incubator PMC vote. As far as I can tell it is resolved now. Everybody > > involved from Cayenne, Incubator, and DB are in favor of DB PMC to be > > the Sponsor. > > There has been no vote and no (maybe very little) discussion on DB PMC, > so I don't think you can say that everyone from "DB" are in favor of DB > PMC being the sponsor. That may be the case, but there's no evidence for it. He was referring to the discussion on the db-general list. I've started a vote on the DB PMC list which ends on Sunday, so let's postpone this discussion until then. I'll post the results on Monday. cheers, Tom - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hola, > He was referring to the discussion on the db-general list. > I've started a vote on the DB PMC list which ends on Sunday, so let's > postpone this discussion until then. I'll post the results on Monday. > > cheers, > Tom Good, thank you. Yoav - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 3/2/06, Yoav Shapira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hola, > > > He was referring to the discussion on the db-general list. > > I've started a vote on the DB PMC list which ends on Sunday, so let's > > postpone this discussion until then. I'll post the results on Monday. > > > > cheers, > > Tom > > Good, thank you. ¡de nada! :-) Tom - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
