Re: RC2 wrongness in INSTALL.TXT

2001-04-01 Thread Jordan K Hubbard

Man, people are still reading those instructions? :-)

I agree that they're wrong but I'm about to go off the air for 4 days
in about 10 minutes here so I can't fix them myself.  If anyone would
care to do the honors, I'd appreciate it.

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Re: seg fault in mutex_queue_enq

1999-07-15 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

> Jordan should have to say something about this. AFAIR, bumps are
> allowed but only by one between releases. We will have to provide
> libc_r.so.3 in /usr/lib/compat/compat3x, though (we'll have to do this 
> anyway by the time 4.x is released).

I'd prefer not to bump it...  John Birrell and I are already not
entirely in agreement that the change required a version bump at
all.  It didn't change any interfaces.

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Interesting way to crash a 3.2-stable box...

1999-08-28 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

A user who may well have been smoking crack at the time but has
nonetheless found an "interesting" bug sent me this procedure:

Use this small perl script to create a file with 3000 spaces in it:

#!/usr/bin/perl
open FOO, ">foo.img" or die "can't open foo; $!\n";
for ($i=0;$i<3000;$i++){print FOO " ";}
close FOO;

[I'm sure there are easier ways, but since he already provided a script]

Now vnconfig the foo.img file:

# vnconfig -c /dev/vn0 foo.img

Now attempt to disklabel it (again, I didn't say this made *sense* :)

# disklabel -B -w /dev/vn0 minimum



That isn't right, is it? :-)

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Re: 3.3-R: passwd dependencies

1999-09-17 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

> /usr/bin/passwd from bin packages of 3.3-RELEASE wants libraries:
>   libkadm.so.3
>   libkrb.so.3
>   libdes.so.3
> 
> Is it correct? ;(

My fault - I forgot to update the bin directory of 3.3-RELEASE on
ftp.freebsd.org after fixing this one. I did remember to update the
ISO image though! :)

Fixing this now.

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Re: PowerPak

1999-09-20 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

> NUMBER on the box, and no indication as to how many CDs of  "stuff" are
> inside -- both pretty important to attract first-time users, when box-size
> and price are the only visible factors to separate you from the nearby

The only box version ever released so far has been 3.2, so the
customer getting the "wrong box" was at least not something open to
chance up to now.  When the first update comes out (3.3) shortly, you
may rest assured that it will also be adequately labelled as such. :)

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Re: PowerPak

1999-09-20 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

> It occurs to me that WC could engage in some underhand but productive
> marketing by quietly repurchasing the stock from Compusa shelves, thereby

Heh, happily, we haven't even had to consider such a thing since
first-time availability, coupled with CompUSA's "competetive pricing"
(read: a slight failure to list it as costing $59.95 in the wholesale
catalog :), has gotten them to fly off pretty nicely on their own. :)

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Re: StarOffice 5 on a SMP system..... or Applixware...

1999-11-21 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

> 1) How well does ApplixWare handle MS Office97 files?

I don't know what you mean by Office97 since there is a whole host
of file formats encompassed in that phrase.  If you're asking if
it reads word files, it does.  If you're asking if it reads Excel
files, it also does that.  If you're asking if it reads Powerpoint
files then I don't know since I've never tested that.  I see powerpoint
on the list of import formats so one assumes it works.

> 2) Do you know of any plans for Applixware to support Office 2000 formats?

I think that's a question for Applix - there's only so much we can know
about a 3rd party product.  Maybe?

> 3) How well does Applix share files with StarOffice (I aleady have a few in
>StarOffice format, although I suppose I could change them to .txt
>format and use them that way)

I have no idea since I've never used StarOffice - you tell me. :)

> 4) And this is the biggie.Does the Applix lisence allow for
> multiple copies of the software (For example on a laptop and Desktop)
> with one purchase or would I have to purchase two copies...

I don't know the answer to this question either.  I reviewed the
product as well as I could and saw no specific mention of licensing
except for documentation on the license key generator and the license
manager, something that might be informative if Applixware currently
used an LM, which it does not.  I think this is another question for
Applix.

> Regarding question #2, sibce The Applixware we have is a port from
> the Linux one, does this mean we will have to wait untill Applix
> gets Office 2000 support 1st or will we be able to work on the
> source ourself?

I don't know what you mean by "a port from the linux one" - this is
the standard ApplixWare product and it's not tied to Linux any more
than it's tied to FreeBSD.  If and when Applix gets Office 2000
support, I expect we'll get something newer than 4.42 to sell,
same as all their other partners.

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Re: swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer?

1999-12-02 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

> I saw this question a lot in the archives.  Would this be a good one for 
> the FAQ?

Any question you see a lot in the archives is, by definition, good for
a FAQ entry. :-)

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Re: 3.4-19991219-STABLE upgrade crash

1999-12-20 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

All of these issues have been addressed today.

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Re: Don't use the "custom" install option for 3.4

1999-12-21 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

Yes, there was a big rush with christmas this year or I would
not have released at all.  Ah well, it's not like it leaves one
with no way to install FreeBSD at all.

- Jordan

> On Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 10:31:17PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> > It's broken, sorry (I usually only test with "Novice" since so many
> > more people use it).  I'll add something to the errata, until then
> > please use Novice or Express.  I'm also sure that this is a completely
> 
> Will the 3.4 CDs be pressed with this bug?
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Re: Don't use the "custom" install option for 3.4

1999-12-21 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

I wouldn't assume anything, but I'll certainly TRY to
fix this and roll some updated floppies. :)

- Jordan

> Jordan wrote:
> > 
> > Yes, there was a big rush with christmas this year or I would
> > not have released at all.  Ah well, it's not like it leaves one
> > with no way to install FreeBSD at all.
> 
>  Is it safe to assume some new floppies will be built, and made available,
> with this bug corrected?  Then, a safe way to install 3.4 is to download
> the floppies, and _then_ use the CD-ROM distribution (which is how I tend to 
> go anyway...)
> 
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Re: 4.4 BSD forever?

2000-01-08 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

> Let's not forget, though, that FreeBSD jumped versions from 2.2.2 to
> 2.2.5. :)

Because we used the numbers for different things back then.  In the
earlier days, the revision number was used as a "timeline indicator"
where each branch would start at .0 and move to .9 (whether any
releases occurred or not) over the course of its one-year lifetime.

One of those "seemed like a good idea at the time" sorts of things.

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Re: 4.4 BSD forever?

2000-01-08 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

> At 11:13 AM 1/8/00 -0500, Peter Radcliffe wrote:
> >Just because other people do silly things with version numbers, doesn't
> >mean FreeBSD has to.  Logical version numbers that are easy to compare
> >are a _good_ thing.
> 
> And then things start happening like 3.5 coming out after 4.0...

Which is just fine since they denote separate and parallel branches of
development.  If you want to take the version numbers to their logical
degree of absurdity and start doing things like adding 2.2.8 to 3.2 to
get FreeBSD 5.4.8, the most stable version you could possibly imagine,
that's your business. :)

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Re: Problems with FreeBSD stable

2000-02-09 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

> Anyway I'm wondering if experiences like the above are grounds for
> filing a problem report.  Since I'm tracking the `stable' branch, I
> don't expect updating the OS will cause my development system to stop
> working.  Is this a reasonable expectation?

It is a reasonable expectation and you might also, just to get
yourself back on the functionality track, talk to Martin Cracauer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> about the problems you've been having since
he's both a FreeBSD user and a CMU CL hacker.

A lot of the problem stems from the fact that unless people like you
speak up like this, the developers often have no idea they're even
breaking the more esoteric applications like Common LISP in -stable or
any other branch.  "make world" is pretty much the definitive
benchmark for minimum functionality testing and that leaves CL out in
the cold unless somebody explicitly drags it into the "testing
matrix" on an informal basis.  Hi Fred! :-)

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Re: Parallel port in GENERIC (Was FreeBSD 3.4 and printing)

2000-02-12 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

I really don't like special-casing this for the installation.
There's got to be a more technically correct solution for this
and I urge you guys to pursue it. :)

- Jordan

> Kazutaka YOKOTA wrote:
> > 
> > It's fine that GENERIC is used for installation.  But, GENERIC is
> > supposed to be for "generic" use, in which more people are expected to
> > use the parallel port for printing than for PLIP.
> > 
> > I would suggest the parallel port should be configured with the "tty"
> > mask in GENERIC.  The kernel for the install floppy can change it to
> > the "net" mask; the kernel configuration file for the install floppy
> > is generated from GENERIC by modifying bits and pieces anyway.
> 
> Go talk to the Release Engineer. I don't make this kind of decisions.
> 
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Re: Parallel port in GENERIC (Was FreeBSD 3.4 and printing)

2000-02-12 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

> Jordan, might I remind you that this is a volunteer project, and nobody
> with the right skills and appropriate knowledge seems to be concerned
> enough to spend hours working out a fix for a problem that can be solved
> changing a "net" to a "tty" on the kernel configuration file? Might I
> then point out that not being able to print out-of-the-box is a major
> violation of the POLA, and has direct impact on FreeBSD's reputation?

None of this has anything to do with doing things right vs hacking out
quick fixes, however, and it's not work I'm trying to avoid so much as
quick fixes to problems which really point up an underlying issue
somewhere else and need to be fixed at the source. :)

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Re: Let 3.x die ASAP?

2000-03-29 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

> I can understand wanting to play with the newer stuff.  But I'm not
> committing bread-n-butter to anything not cooked in the field for a
> while.  I'll let others pioneer.  So when I see the raft of "I just
> upgraded my 3.x machine to 4.0" messages, my first reaction is
> "Why?" and my second is "better you than me" and my third is "I hope
> you uncover some obscure bug so it can be fixed before I get there."

And you know what?  For production shops, this is *exactly* the right
attitude to have. :)

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Re: Let 3.x die ASAP?

2000-03-29 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

Goodbye, Mr Derny.  Don't let the door hit you on the ass on your
way out.


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Re: Package creation

2000-04-03 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

> How do I create my own packages? I read pkg_create(1) and it stated that
> one should use a frontend for package creation. Which one, where to find
> it?

"One should use one as soon as someone writes such a thing" is
probably what the man page should actually say. :)

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Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS

2000-04-05 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

What the hell?  If mangling his message and sending it back to the
entire mailing list was some sort of joke, I'm not laughing.

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Re: 4.0 OpenSSH not working, cannot find RSAREF lib

2000-04-08 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

> I'm having trouble with the new OpenSSH in 4.0 (both -release &
> -stable as of today, Saturday, 8 April).

/usr/ports/security/rsaref

Make and install it.  Pretty straight-forward.

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Re: 4.0, OpenSSL and MD5 (fwd)

2000-04-13 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

No, Doug is actually wrong about this.  The NO and YES values
are checked and do make a difference.

- Jordan

> At 12:56 pm -0700 13/4/00, Doug Barton wrote:
> >or it is not defined. The entries in /etc/make.conf could be set equal to
> >"hairy blue pelicans" and it would not matter. In make.conf syntax you do
> >have to set it equal to something to define it
> 
> Hmmm, does this mean that USA_RESIDENT=NO in make.conf is a mistake?
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Re: distfiles no longer on 4.0 CDs

2000-04-18 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

> Anyhow, it would be _very_ nice if there could be some mechanism set up in
> .../distfiles, which just symlinks to the right CD of the toolkit. This way, 

I'm not sure there's any way to force the user to insert the right CD
of a 6 CD toolkit for an arbitrary port. :)

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Re: distfiles no longer on 4.0 CDs

2000-04-18 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

> Failing that, a greppable index of what distfile is on which CD would
> be quite nice, and something I've missed on earlier CDs.

I could certainly make a super-set INDEX file with some sort of CD#
field (I'd have to extend or munge the current INDEX format) available
on each of the CDs, sure.  That's a good idea.

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Re: SMP changes and breaking kld object module compatibility

2000-04-24 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

> So you guys (core) choose -- do you want 4.x to reap the benefits of
> further SMP development or not?

I've read all the feedback on this thread and now feel that it would
be worthwhile to simply bring the SMP changes in on Wednesday.  As others
have pointed out, we don't have enough 3rd party 4.0 klds yet (I'd have
a hard time even saying "any") to make this a real problem so let's
just go for it.

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Re: SMP changes and breaking kld object module compatibility

2000-04-24 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

> Are there any 3rd party NIC klds yet?

NTMK.

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Re: FreeBSD 4.1 schedule

2000-05-17 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

> Will FreeBSD 4.1 be released on schedule?
> If so, does someone tell me when it will be?

Yes, it will be released on July 15th.

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Re: 3.5 CD set (was: Re: 4.1 disks)

2000-07-06 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

>  I didn't know there was going to be a 3.5 CD set.

I announced it here several times. :)

>  If I understand things - subscribers will *not* automatically receive
>  this CD set... can the 3.5 CD set be ordered from Walnut Creek, 
>  err... um... BSDI?

Correct.

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Re: Cant build 3.5-stable?

2000-07-06 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

Either that or we'll just revert Dag's changes.  He's not allowed
to break 3.5-stable.

- Jordan

> On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, Brad Knowles wrote:
> 
> > Unfortunately, there are those of us running production boxes on 
> >FreeBSD 3.x-STABLE, and we cannot afford to upgrade these machines 
> >directly to 4.0-STABLE.  I'm working on trying to buy a replacement 
> >machine, but it's not going to be here tomorrow, or this month.  So, 
> >I need a real fix for this problem under 3.x-STABLE.
> 
> Precisely why I brought it to the attention of the maintainer,
> Dag-Erling Smorgrav.  It's his code.  If it's not fixed by the time I
> get home I will do the necessary diffing, bring my RELENG_3 system up to
> 3.5-STABLE and post a tarball of patches for you guys and ask that they
> are committed.
> 
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Re: 4.1 disks

2000-07-06 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

I can't get DVDs mastered with long filenames (either Rockridge or
Joliet).  The replication software at the duplicators chokes on it.
I've tried 4 times and failed 4 times, through no fault of my own, and
the replication houses now refuse to even consider trying again.  Both
parties know that the replication software is broken for DVDs in this
respect and neither party knows how to get it fixed. :-(

- Jordan


> Perhaps this is a dumb question..  but what is the possibility of putting the
> RELEASES, distfiles and all, on DVD?  *shrug*
> 
> Ge gentle..  ;-)
> 
> -Richard
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- "Jordan K. Hubbard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Is it decided yet what will be on the 4.1 disks?  Is there room for
> > > the distfiles, and is it still 4 disks?
> > 
> > Sadly, there is no room for the distfiles anymore since even the
> > packages, which are the #1 user requested items, are overflowing the 4
> > CDs.  I may be able to fight and win a battle to go to 6 CDs, but
> > that will only catch us up with packages and "various extra bits"
> > again. 
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Re: 4.1 disks

2000-07-06 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

Bob clearly has forgotten all the problems we had in trying to
do this at all.

- Jordan

> On Thu, Jul 06, 2000 at 23:34:47 +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 06, 2000 at 02:21:21PM -0700, Richard Stanaford wrote:
> > 
> > jkh has been working this for some time, but AFAIK there is not yet a
> > sensible mass production for a reasonable price for DVD. So it has not
> > been done yet.
> > 
> > > Perhaps this is a dumb question..  but what is the possibility of putting
 the
> > > RELEASES, distfiles and all, on DVD?  *shrug*
> > > 
> > > Ge gentle..  ;-)
> > > 
> > > -Richard
> 
> Actually, in talking to Bob Bruce at Usenix, he said that they hadn't
> seen enough demand for a DVD version of FreeBSD to justify doing a DVD
> pressing.
> 
> It didn't sound like it was a cost issue, but rather a demand issue.
> 
> I'm sure if they could determine that there is enough demand for a DVD
> version, they would do it.
> 
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Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels

2000-07-12 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

> 1. The other 1199 new FreeBSD CD-ROM customers you need to get, are they more
>likely to be CVSUPping, mailing-list tracking, make-worlding-since-2.0.1

The people who buy the CDs tend to be more "expert" in nature, it's
the newcomers who generally FTP install the system.

>experience?  Or, to put it another way, where are you planning to grow
>your market?

CD sales is almost something of a loss-leader in the grander scheme of
thing and won't, in and of itself, actually generate enough capital to
grow the market all that much.  Growing the market is a function of
marketing and that's generally funded by a combination of VC money and
other profit centers like hardware sales, support, custom engineering,
etc.  BSDi does all the of the latter and has obvious designs on the
former.

> 2. Pending market growth, there are limited commercial funds available for
>discretionary expeditures.  Priorities need to be set.  Is ensuring that
>the product documentation documents the product one of these priorities?

Yes, it's been a priority for quite some time.  Finding talented
individuals who can significantly advance the state of the art in our
documentation (e.g. they know how to write and can produce) is
somewhat more problematic.  Finding such individuals who are also
available for employment has been even more problematic.  I'm always
looking for resumes!

> 3. This particular problem does not require a high-skill, high-cost
>developer.  If you hired a moderately intelligent and responsible
>high-school student to clean up the handbook over summer vacation,

You significantly underestimate the size and complexity of the
challenge if you honestly think this, and I speak as someone who's
burned through more than a few high school students already. :(

I even have full-time resources deployed on this during those times
when we're looking for another vict^H^H^H^Hhigh school student to
throw into the jaws, but they have a lot of other work competing for
those 60 hours a week.

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Re: 5.0-STABLE?

2000-07-15 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

> Saw in a message earlier today someone
> mention 5-0-STABLE, does it exist?

No.  Somebody is about a year early if they're talking about it now.

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Re: psmintr: out of sync (0080 != 0000). ARGH!

2000-07-21 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

> FWIW, I have almost _never_ seen this.  The only time I ever get this is
> if I am moving the mouse when I hit the console switch on my 4-port console
> switch, but it corrects itself almost instantaneously.

There must be something in my kernel configuration which competes for
interrupts or something then.  We should compare configs (not on
this list) and see if anything jumps out at us.

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Re: psmintr: out of sync (0080 != 0000). ARGH!

2000-07-21 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

> I do occasionally get this under both RELENG_3 and RELENG_4 machines
> running moused and X when using logictech ps2 mice.  I haven't had
> it happen with non-logictech mice.. 

I should note that I'm also using Logitech (MouseMan) PS/2 mice
in all these situations.  Sorry, it's my standard mouse. :)

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Re: README.TXT and RELNOTES.TXT not updated before release tag?

2000-07-26 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

Argh!  I knew I'd forgotten something, but at 4:30am I just couldn't
remember what.. :-)

I've also just recently moved machines and I couldn't find my TODO
list from 4.0, so what's long been on my checklist of things to verify
just didn't get checked.  Not a crisis in any case since I'd still not
actually rolled the release (that's happening now) so I had the
chance, after reading your mail, to fix things up.  Thanks for the
much-needed reminder!

- Jordan

> --==_Exmh_481686077P
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Hi all--
> 
> I just cvsup-ed my sources this morning, and it looks to me like the
> versions of README.TXT and {i386,alpha}/RELNOTES.TXT that got tagged for
> RELENG_4_1_0_RELEASE still say "4.0-STABLE" rather than "4.1-RELEASE"
> (at the tops of the files).  Is it just me, or does someone need to do an
> edit->slidetags->reroll on these?
> 
> Clue-by-four cheerfully accepted if it's just me.
> 
> Bruce "nitpicker of RELNOTES.TXT" Mah.
> 
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Re: README.TXT and RELNOTES.TXT not updated before release tag?

2000-07-26 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

> One thing I haven't seen is how or what do you do with ports. Do you
> rebuild in general or what?

I'm not sure I understand the question..

- Jordan


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src code freeze is over for RELENG_4

2000-07-27 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

You may now go back to whacking on the RELENG_4 branch with the usual
degree of -stable discretion.  Good release, guys.  Next stop is
4.2-RELEASE in mid-November 2000!

- Jordan


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Re: /stand/sysinstall cannot find any disks ?

2000-08-15 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

> Better be quick or it will be adopted by an Amnesty activist group.. ;-)
> In other words: I meet an increasing number of people who use sysinstall 
> for all sorts of stuff and love it.

I'm sure the functionality it provides is appreciated and the desire
to provide such functionality is why I wrote it.  Nonetheless, the
entire design and implementation of sysinstall and its satellite
binaries is far too simplistic and non-extensible given that what
people have been using since April of 1995 is nothing more than a
stick-and-bubblegum prototype which was never meant to live more than
six months.

Unfortunately, my life changed pretty radically right after that and
all that wonderful uninterrupted free-time I was counting on using to
go off and implement Son of Sysinstall (e.g. the real application) got
eaten up by evangelical and management activities.  I still
occasionally dream of becoming a full-time programmer again and doing
this work, but then I also dream of becoming an astronaut and moving
to the international space station. :-) I think it's time for the next
generation of installation hackers to take up the gauntlet, and some
have already done so with the libh project.  Pity they don't appear to
have a web page anywhere though...

- Jordan


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Re: How to Create a FreeBSD iso image

2000-08-16 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

> I've also sent this mail to the author of print-cdrom-packages.sh.

That's still a shell script which is evolving.  At my last attempt at
this, I tried to rewrite it to read an ASCII text file instead since
it was getting too annoying to have to hand-code in all those package
entries, but I got side-tracked by other things and never finished
that.

> I've investigated packages/INDEX in 4.1-RELEASE ISO image, and made a
> list of ports. During the process of making this list, I've found that
> there is no 'ko-baekmukfonts-ttf-2.0' package which is required by

It was too huge and I had to delete it to make room. :(  I guess
the ko-ghostscript-* packages could go too, for that reason.

- Jordan


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