Re: Is FreeBSD a suitable choice for a MacBook?

2008-10-05 Thread Ben Francom
>> I have an Apple MacBook with an Intel Core 2 Duo processor (November
>> 2007 edition, cf. the Wikipedia article for specifications), and I have
>> been considering switching to one of the free UNIX clones for some time
>> now.
>
> Why?

Might I suggest: DRM, Vendor lock-in, $128 upgrade every 2 years, and
crippled debugging tools.
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Re: trying to track down UFS "dup alloc" message on iSCSI

2008-10-05 Thread Alfred Perlstein
Hey Andrew, can you instrument the IO code a bit?

It's possible that the iscsi stack is returning an error
that UFS isn't catching.

Or it's possible that iscsi stack is failing to return
an error and just dropping the data packet.

That could mean that UFS is assuming that the write is
going through, but isn't either because it's not catching
the error, or that iscsi is lying to it.

-Alfred

* Andrew Snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [081002 22:28] wrote:
> 
> 
> I am playing with an iSCSI device on FreeBSD client running UFS2 on the
> device over a LAN.  Everything works well until I reboot the iSCSI
> server - the client pauses for a minute or so then continues working
> after iSCSI server comes back.  No I/O errors are reported.  Everything 
> seems to work fine for a little while!
> 
> But shortly afterwards, I get a panic with the message
> 
>   panic: ffs_valloc: dup alloc
> 
> 
> It seems related to the length of the delay the iSCSI device is paused -
> restarting the iSCSI target daemon process doesn't cause the problem but 
> rebooting the whole target box does cause it.
> 
> 1. Could this be related to the patch Matt Dillon created years ago 
> which I found here?
> 
> http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/bugs/2005-01/msg00093.html
> 
> 
> 2. Can anyone think of any other reason this might happen?  I know I am
> stretching UFS to the limits here, expecting it to pause and restart
> after more than a minute of locked disk :-)  However, since all I/O 
> eventually complete successfully and no errors are reported, I find it 
> suspicious.
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> - Andrew
> 
> 
> ps. running latest iSCSI code 2.1 on latest 7-STABLE box.
> 
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Re: fxp performance with POLLING

2008-10-05 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Bartosz Stec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [081003 07:23] wrote:
> Hello again :)
> 
> With POLLING enabled I experience about 10%-25% performance drop when 
> copying files over network. Tested with both SAMBA and NFS. Is it normal?
> 
>FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #0: Sat Sep  6 01:52:12 CEST 2008
>fxp0:  port 0xc800-0xc83f mem
>0xe1021000-0xe1021fff irq 20 at device 8.0 on pci1
> 
># ifconfig fxp0
>fxp0: flags=9843
>metric 0 mtu 1500
>options=8
>ether 00:20:ed:42:87:13
>inet 192.168.0.2 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255
>media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX )
>status: active
> 
> BTW overall SAMBA performance still sucks on 7.1-pre as much as on 
> RELENG_5 ...:( - 7.5 MB/s peak.

7.5MB is 75% effeciency of a 100mbit card.  Not amazing, but
not "sucks".

Where do you see faster performance?

Between windows machines on the same hardware or linux server?

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Re: Request for testing: ata(4) MFC

2008-10-05 Thread Goran Lowkrantz
--On Saturday, October 04, 2008 19:38 +0400 "Andrey V. Elsukov" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi, All.

I prepared patch to make MFC of ata(4) driver into RELENG_7
before 7.1-RELEASE. Depending on results of the testing patch
will be commited or not (if some regressions will be detected).
So if you want or just can test it, please try and report here.



Installed and tested with no ill effects on an ASUS M2N-VM DVI board. Still 
need to manually apply the attached patch, picked up on the list a while 
ago, to have the built-in SATA controller detected and recognized as AHCI 
capable.


Cheers,
Goran

Attachments:
lspci output of controller under test.
original patch for controller.
updated patch against tested patchset.

---
"There is hopeful symbolism in the fact that flags do not wave in a vacuum."
   -- Arthur C. Clarke00:09.0 SATA controller [0106]: nVidia Corporation MCP67 AHCI Controller 
[10de:0554] (rev a2) (prog-if 01 [AHCI 1.0])
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Unknown device [1043:82b3]
Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- 
Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- DisINTx-
Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- SERR- 
Index: src/sys/dev/ata/ata-chipset.c
===
RCS file: /ncvs/src/sys/dev/ata/ata-chipset.c,v
retrieving revision 1.225
diff -u -p -r1.225 ata-chipset.c
--- src/sys/dev/ata/ata-chipset.c   15 Aug 2008 10:55:11 -  1.225
+++ src/sys/dev/ata/ata-chipset.c   23 Sep 2008 05:06:28 -
@@ -3372,7 +3372,9 @@ ata_nvidia_ident(device_t dev)
  { ATA_NFORCE_MCP61_S3, 0, 0, NV4|NVQ, ATA_SA300, "nForce MCP61" },
  { ATA_NFORCE_MCP65,0, AMDNVIDIA, NVIDIA,  ATA_UDMA6, "nForce MCP65" },
  { ATA_NFORCE_MCP67,0, AMDNVIDIA, NVIDIA,  ATA_UDMA6, "nForce MCP67" },
+ { ATA_NFORCE_MCP67_A1, 0, 0, NVAHCI,  ATA_SA300, "nForce MCP67" },
  { ATA_NFORCE_MCP73,0, AMDNVIDIA, NVIDIA,  ATA_UDMA6, "nForce MCP73" },
+ { ATA_NFORCE_MCP73_A1, 0, 0, NVAHCI,  ATA_SA300, "nForce MCP73" },
  { ATA_NFORCE_MCP77,0, AMDNVIDIA, NVIDIA,  ATA_UDMA6, "nForce MCP77" },
  { 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0}} ;
 
@@ -3380,7 +3382,12 @@ ata_nvidia_ident(device_t dev)
return ENXIO;
 
 ata_set_desc(dev);
-ctlr->chipinit = ata_nvidia_chipinit;
+
+if (ctlr->chip->cfg2 == NVAHCI)
+   ctlr->chipinit = ata_ahci_chipinit;
+else
+   ctlr->chipinit = ata_nvidia_chipinit;
+
 return 0;
 }
 
Index: src/sys/dev/ata/ata-pci.h
===
RCS file: /ncvs/src/sys/dev/ata/ata-pci.h,v
retrieving revision 1.89
diff -u -p -r1.89 ata-pci.h
--- src/sys/dev/ata/ata-pci.h   10 Jul 2008 21:36:53 -  1.89
+++ src/sys/dev/ata/ata-pci.h   23 Sep 2008 05:06:28 -
@@ -243,8 +243,10 @@ struct ata_connect_task {
 #define ATA_NFORCE_MCP61_S2 0x03f610de
 #define ATA_NFORCE_MCP61_S3 0x03f710de
 #define ATA_NFORCE_MCP650x044810de
+#define ATA_NFORCE_MCP67_A1 0x055010de
 #define ATA_NFORCE_MCP670x056010de
 #define ATA_NFORCE_MCP730x056c10de
+#define ATA_NFORCE_MCP73_A1 0x07f810de
 #define ATA_NFORCE_MCP770x075910de
 
 #define ATA_PROMISE_ID  0x105a
@@ -450,6 +452,7 @@ struct ata_connect_task {
 #define NVIDIA  0x0004
 #define NV4 0x0010
 #define NVQ 0x0020
+#define NVAHCI  0x0040
 #define VIACLK  0x0100
 #define VIABUG  0x0200
 #define VIABAR  0x0400


ata_nvidia_ahci-20081004.diff
Description: Binary data
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Re: Is FreeBSD a suitable choice for a MacBook?

2008-10-05 Thread Kip Macy
>
> You sound as if you just got the machine and haven't given MacOS X a chance.
> Give MacOS X a chance. Download (if its not on your MacOS X install DVD) X
> Code, and Apple X11.
>

X11 is barely usable under Leopard. Apps crash regularly and
full-screen doesn't work.

He may simply want to be able to boot in to FreeBSD as well.

Cheers.
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Re: Request for testing: ata(4) MFC

2008-10-05 Thread Søren Schmidt


On 5Oct, 2008, at 13:04 , Marius Strobl wrote:


On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 07:38:09PM +0400, Andrey V. Elsukov wrote:

Hi, All.

I prepared patch to make MFC of ata(4) driver into RELENG_7
before 7.1-RELEASE. Depending on results of the testing patch
will be commited or not (if some regressions will be detected).
So if you want or just can test it, please try and report here.


One regression of the post-PM code is that support for some
Promise controllers is broken in that probing drives causes
a hang. In my case it's a FasTrak S150 TX4 with a PDC20319
but there are also other variants affected, see f.e.:
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2008-May/ 
085923.html


I'm aware of the Promise problems and its on my TODO list, just havn't  
gotten around to it yet.
When I have the current floating patch for splitting up ata-chipset.c  
in vendor specific files I'll have a go on that report (makes it lots  
easier to work with).


-Søren






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Re: Upgrading to 7.x : make check-old

2008-10-05 Thread Scot Hetzel
On 10/5/08, Wolfgang Zenker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > Is that list more or less expected?  From what I can tell, it's pretty
>  > safe to now do a make delete-old-libs.  Do you concur?
>
>
> that depends on you having updated all ports/packages as well as the
>  base system. I think I used a tool that checks which shared libraries are
>  used by which program but can't remember how it was called; but anyway you
>  can simply use ldd on your binaries in /usr/local/* to check if any of
>  them still use one of the old libs.
>

I have used the devel/libcheck utility to check for missing libraries
after upgrading the installed ports.

Scot
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Re: Upgrading to 7.x : make check-old

2008-10-05 Thread Wolfgang Zenker
[forgot to send to list first time]

Hi,

* Scot Hetzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [081005 13:52]:
> On 10/5/08, Wolfgang Zenker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Is that list more or less expected?  From what I can tell, it's pretty
>> > safe to now do a make delete-old-libs.  Do you concur?

>> that depends on you having updated all ports/packages as well as the
>>  base system. I think I used a tool that checks which shared libraries are
>>  used by which program but can't remember how it was called; but anyway you
>>  can simply use ldd on your binaries in /usr/local/* to check if any of
>>  them still use one of the old libs.

> I have used the devel/libcheck utility to check for missing libraries
> after upgrading the installed ports.

I guess you mean the sysutils/libchk utility and that was the one I used.

Wolfgang
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Re: Upgrading to 7.x : make check-old

2008-10-05 Thread Wolfgang Zenker
Hi,

* Dan Langille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [081004 00:18]:
> Folks:

> I have upgraded a server from 6.3 to 7.0.  That went rather smoothly.  I 
> have a question about removing old libraries via make delete-old.

> Given the list of old libraries shown at the end of this URL:

>   http://www.freebsddiary.org/upgrade-6.3-to-7.0.php

> Is that list more or less expected?  From what I can tell, it's pretty 
> safe to now do a make delete-old-libs.  Do you concur?

that depends on you having updated all ports/packages as well as the
base system. I think I used a tool that checks which shared libraries are
used by which program but can't remember how it was called; but anyway you
can simply use ldd on your binaries in /usr/local/* to check if any of
them still use one of the old libs.

Wolfgang
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Re: Is FreeBSD a suitable choice for a MacBook?

2008-10-05 Thread Eirik Wixøe Svela
Thank you for your reply, David.

You seem to be answering a question I did not ask, but allow me to
respond briefly in any case: I have been using the operating system
since January, and I am full aware of its line of inheritance as well as
the UNIX 03 certification, and I have no major beef with it for everyday
purposes.

However, for all its ease of use and outstanding graphical user
interface, I still find that its crossbred nature makes for a somewhat
untidy system when dealing with nitty-gritty UNIX tasks such as enabling
and configuring the firewall, configuring the system for maximum
security (the default file permissions allow everyone to watch what's
inside everyone else's home directories, for instance), installing an
application by hand and so on. I also much prefer the free software
movement and its principles to Apple and its "principles".

Now, could someone answer my original question?

Regards
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Re: Request for testing: ata(4) MFC

2008-10-05 Thread Marius Strobl
On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 07:38:09PM +0400, Andrey V. Elsukov wrote:
> Hi, All.
> 
> I prepared patch to make MFC of ata(4) driver into RELENG_7 
> before 7.1-RELEASE. Depending on results of the testing patch
> will be commited or not (if some regressions will be detected).
> So if you want or just can test it, please try and report here.

One regression of the post-PM code is that support for some
Promise controllers is broken in that probing drives causes
a hang. In my case it's a FasTrak S150 TX4 with a PDC20319
but there are also other variants affected, see f.e.:
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2008-May/085923.html

Marius

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Re: Is FreeBSD a suitable choice for a MacBook?

2008-10-05 Thread Quux


On 4 Oct 2008, at 21:00, Eirik Wixøe Svela wrote:


I have an Apple MacBook with an Intel Core 2 Duo processor (November
2007 edition, cf. the Wikipedia article for specifications), and I  
have
been considering switching to one of the free UNIX clones for some  
time
now. I understand that Ubuntu GNU/Linux is supposed to work well on  
this
kind of machine, but I would rather use some variant of BSD if that  
is a

viable alternative.


Only used FreeBSD (and several Linux variations and Windows varieties)  
on my Macbook Pro, but none of these as the boot operating system. All  
of these do however run as expected in a virtual environment like  
Parallels.


I would therefore like to ask you whether anyone here has any  
experience

with FreeBSD, either 7.0-RELEASE or any other version, that they would
like to share so I might know what to expect if I choose to go through
with this. I have some time on my hands the next couple of weeks, so I
am prepared to spend some days tweaking things to work if it is worth
the effort, but if it isn't, I might as well take Ubuntu for a spin or
do a clean install of Mac OS X.

Best regards
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Ciao,
Hans.

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Re: Is FreeBSD a suitable choice for a MacBook?

2008-10-05 Thread Christian Laursen
Eirik Wixøe Svela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have an Apple MacBook with an Intel Core 2 Duo processor (November
> 2007 edition, cf. the Wikipedia article for specifications), and I have
> been considering switching to one of the free UNIX clones for some time
> now. I understand that Ubuntu GNU/Linux is supposed to work well on this
> kind of machine, but I would rather use some variant of BSD if that is a
> viable alternative.

I have a MacBook running FreeBSD. IIRC I bought it in January 2008 so
it's probably the same model as yours.

> I would therefore like to ask you whether anyone here has any experience
> with FreeBSD, either 7.0-RELEASE or any other version, that they would
> like to share so I might know what to expect if I choose to go through
> with this. I have some time on my hands the next couple of weeks, so I
> am prepared to spend some days tweaking things to work if it is worth
> the effort, but if it isn't, I might as well take Ubuntu for a spin or
> do a clean install of Mac OS X.

I have made a few notes here:
http://borderworlds.dk/notes/freebsd-macbook.html

I just used boot camp and did a pretty standard install. I would
recommend installing a 7.1-BETA release to have the wired ethernet
working from the beginning.

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Re: Upgrading to 7.x : make check-old

2008-10-05 Thread Scot Hetzel
On 10/5/08, Wolfgang Zenker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [forgot to send to list first time]
>
>
>  Hi,
>
>  * Scot Hetzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [081005 13:52]:
>  > On 10/5/08, Wolfgang Zenker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >> > Is that list more or less expected?  From what I can tell, it's pretty
>  >> > safe to now do a make delete-old-libs.  Do you concur?
>
>  >> that depends on you having updated all ports/packages as well as the
>  >>  base system. I think I used a tool that checks which shared libraries are
>  >>  used by which program but can't remember how it was called; but anyway 
> you
>  >>  can simply use ldd on your binaries in /usr/local/* to check if any of
>  >>  them still use one of the old libs.
>
>  > I have used the devel/libcheck utility to check for missing libraries
>  > after upgrading the installed ports.
>
>  I guess you mean the sysutils/libchk utility and that was the one I used.
>

sysutils/libchk is the one I had used.

Scot
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Re: Upgrading to 7.x : make check-old

2008-10-05 Thread Dan Langille

Wolfgang Zenker wrote:

Hi,

* Dan Langille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [081004 00:18]:

Folks:


I have upgraded a server from 6.3 to 7.0.  That went rather smoothly.  I 
have a question about removing old libraries via make delete-old.



Given the list of old libraries shown at the end of this URL:



  http://www.freebsddiary.org/upgrade-6.3-to-7.0.php


Is that list more or less expected?  From what I can tell, it's pretty 
safe to now do a make delete-old-libs.  Do you concur?


that depends on you having updated all ports/packages as well as the
base system. 


I did that.  I made sure of that.


I think I used a tool that checks which shared libraries are
used by which program but can't remember how it was called; but anyway you
can simply use ldd on your binaries in /usr/local/* to check if any of
them still use one of the old libs.


Is this correct: Worst case: some ports stop running?

If so, I can live with that.  :o

Thank you.
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Re: Upgrading to 7.x : make check-old

2008-10-05 Thread Dan Langille

Scot Hetzel wrote:

On 10/5/08, Wolfgang Zenker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 > Is that list more or less expected?  From what I can tell, it's pretty
 > safe to now do a make delete-old-libs.  Do you concur?


that depends on you having updated all ports/packages as well as the
 base system. I think I used a tool that checks which shared libraries are
 used by which program but can't remember how it was called; but anyway you
 can simply use ldd on your binaries in /usr/local/* to check if any of
 them still use one of the old libs.



I have used the devel/libcheck utility to check for missing libraries
after upgrading the installed ports.


Noted.  Did that.  I may compare that to the ldd output.
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Re: bad NFS/UDP performance

2008-10-05 Thread Robert Watson


On Sat, 4 Oct 2008, Danny Braniss wrote:

at the moment, the best I can do is run it on a different hardware that has 
if_em, the results are in
	ftp://ftp.cs.huji.ac.il/users/danny/lock.prof/7.1-1000.em the 
benchmark ran better with the Intel NIC, averaged UDP 54MB/s, TCP 53MB/s (I 
get the same numbers with an older kernel).


Dear Danny:

Unfortunately, I was left slightly unclear on the comparison you are making 
above.  Could you confirm whether or not, with if_em, you see a performance 
regression using UDP NFS between 7.0-RELEASE and the most recent 7.1-STABLE, 
and if you do, whether or not the RLOCK->WLOCK change has any effect on 
performance?  It would be nice to know on the same hardware but at least with 
different hardware we get a sense of whether or not this might affect other 
systems or whether it's limited to a narrower set of configurations.


Thanks,

Robert N M Watson
Computer Laboratory
University of Cambridge
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Re: Request for testing: ata(4) MFC

2008-10-05 Thread Andrey V. Elsukov

Jeremy Chadwick wrote:

Also, does your patch include any fixes (intentional or inadvertent) for
Intel MatrixRAID?  This has been a sore spot for FreeBSD for quite
some time, and I'm curious to know if that has been fixed.


There is only one fix for Intel Matrix RAID:
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/121899


P.S. -- Mandatory plug: don't forget about kern/127717  :-)


First of it should be commited into HEAD..

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Re: Request for testing: ata(4) MFC

2008-10-05 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 09:03:20AM +0400, Andrey V. Elsukov wrote:
> Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
>> Also, does your patch include any fixes (intentional or inadvertent) for
>> Intel MatrixRAID?  This has been a sore spot for FreeBSD for quite
>> some time, and I'm curious to know if that has been fixed.
>
> There is only one fix for Intel Matrix RAID:
> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/121899

Ahh, yeah, I've seen that one as well.  I'll apply the patch and let you
know if the behaviour documented in the PR happens.

>> P.S. -- Mandatory plug: don't forget about kern/127717  :-)
>
> First of it should be commited into HEAD..

Cool, thanks!

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