Re: Desktop Note on FreeBSD?

[martinko]

Eric Kjeldergaard wrote:

On Monday 26 December 2005 23:18, Yuan Jue wrote:


On Monday 26 December 2005 01:09, Eric Kjeldergaard wrote:


is there any software that like Rainlender on Windows? I need to
make some notes sometimes, and i think it would be much better if
the notes could be always shown on the desktop to remind me.
Kontact is great, but not at this point :(


Do you perhaps mean something like kde's knotes?


thanks for your reply. knotes does its work, but not that well as
Rainlender. I mean its look and interface. can knote be transparent?


Sure, kwin can make any application transparent.  It appears that knotes
on my system just magically is translucent, probably because it is a dock
window, but you can set this more specifically for knotes by setting
"window specific settings" for the window class knotes.  Hope this helps,


I just found a software called gDesklets which I think is wonderful.
you can find it in
http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/categories.php?func=gd_show_app&gd_app_id
=191 it is a WeeklyCalendar. almost fulfill my demand



Ah, if you are after something like gdesklets, kde seems to have SuperKaramba 
(ports deskutils/superkaramba) which embeds scripts into the desktop in 
almost the same way.  Not sure if you are still looking for something 
different or if you are satisfied with what you have now,


Eric



hi,

what are the main differences/pros/cons between gdesklets and 
superkaramba please ?


m.

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FreeBSD Logo Contest -- whom to contact about?

[martinko]

hello,

i have got some comments about the winning logo design.
who is/are the right person/persons to be contacted regarding this pls?

also, could other submitted designs be seen somewhere? (at least top 5 
of them)


regards,

martin

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NX client & server

[martinko]

hello,

i've installed net/linux-nx-client and net/freenx ports.

first i tried to connect to NoMachine's testdrive server but the client 
crashed with signal 11 somewhere in the middle of the connecting process.


then i tried `nxclient --admin` which hanged my whole X11 or window 
manager (window maker). i had to switch to the console and kill them.


for both above i followed http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8538 .

next, i installed freenx server but don't know what to do next. i've 
come across many documents on the net, but all of them are related to 
different linux distros and they differ substantially. also, i noticed 
there hasn't been nx user created and the scripts installed contain 
wrong paths (ie original paths, not the ones used on freebsd).


i'm a bit perplexed now. what is the state/status of these ports and is 
there any howto on freebsd installation please ??


with regards,

martin

ps: this is freebsd 6-stable and recent ports tree.

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Re: Java Virtual Machine

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Micah wrote:

Porpoise Power wrote:


Which Java VM is the best for freebsd 5.4, running gnome2, and firefox?

James Best



Both the native jdk14 and jdk15 provide good Java VMs.  jdk15 is newer 
and might be unstable (hasn't been for me).  jdk14 is more tested and is 
the "default" java for FreeBSD on i386.


HTH,
Micah


can you have both versions installed ?
and how do you choose which one of them to use (for instance in mozilla) ?

m.
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Re: Java Virtual Machine

[martinko]

Micah wrote:


martinko wrote:


Micah wrote:


Porpoise Power wrote:

Which Java VM is the best for freebsd 5.4, running gnome2, and 
firefox?


James Best




Both the native jdk14 and jdk15 provide good Java VMs.  jdk15 is 
newer and might be unstable (hasn't been for me).  jdk14 is more 
tested and is the "default" java for FreeBSD on i386.


HTH,
Micah



can you have both versions installed ?
and how do you choose which one of them to use (for instance in 
mozilla) ?


m.



Yes, you can have both installed at the same time. 
/usr/ports/java/javavmwrapper makes switching JVMs easy using 
environment variables, however it doesn't seem to support switching 
browser plugins.  For that you'd probably have to switch the symlink 
in /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins and restart the browser.


HTH,
Micah








hello,

i've just tried it and realised it had already been installed as a jdk* 
dependency. :)


however, according to the man page, running the following should select 
the most native and up-to-date version of java:


$ java -version
java version "1.4.2-p8"
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 
1.4.2-p8-root_21_jan_2006_21_32)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2-p8-root_21_jan_2006_21_32, mixed 
mode)


however, i've got newer version installed too:

$ cat /usr/local/etc/javavms
/usr/local/jdk1.5.0/bin/java # FREEBSD-JDK1.5.0
/usr/local/jdk1.4.2/bin/java # FREEBSD-JDK1.4.2
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/bin/java # Linux-Sun-JDK1.4.2.10

how come 1.5.0 wasn't selected in the example above please ??

cheers,

martin
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Re: What's the bright idea? fam -> gamin

[martinko]

Peter wrote:
> --- Nikolas Britton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
>>On 2/6/06, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>--- Nikolas Britton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
My dependency are all foobared up now, How do I change them all back
to fam-2.6.9_6, so I don't have to run pkgdb -F everytime I
portupgrade?
>>>
>>>Remove fam by force and then install gamin.
>>
>>I don't want gamin, what was wrong with fam for fam?
>>
>>
>>>What is wrong with running 'pkgdb -F' ?  It is there to help you.  Run
>>
>>it
>>
>>>and tell it to change all fam dependencies to gamin.
>>>
>>>Are you going to stop crying now?
>>
>>No
> 
> 
> Here is a thread to keep you busy while you're sulking:
> 
> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2006-January/029128.html
> 
> 


what's wrong with you?
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Re: FreeBSD Ports vs. Gentoo Portage (a matter of concept)

[martinko]

Norberto Meijome wrote:
> Hans Nieser wrote:
> 
>>FreeBSD Prospect wrote:
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>Reading a lot about FreeBSD recently made me really curious. I know,
>>>that the founder of Gentoo (the well known GNU/Linux
>>>meta-distribution, which is also based on compiling everything from
>>>source) was using FreeBSD for some time, before continuing creating
>>>Gentoo, what's why portage (the Gentoo software management system) is
>>>generally based on FreeBSD's ports. 
>>
>>[.. comparison of ports/portage features ..]
>>
>>I've been running Gentoo on my desktop computer for a few months and
>>FreeBSD on my laptop / server machines. 
> 
> 
> I've been using linux since '95 and freebsd since '98 (more heavily (98%
> of boxen) since 02)...and I have to say that after using it in
> production environment, RHE is quite painful to go back to (rpms too
> limiting,etc,etc) *NOT* trying to flame, just stating my POV .I have to
> say that Gentoo is definitely an improvement on all that, and I use it
> in my PVR box (since linux has better support for the hardware :-( )
> 
> 
>>What I am especially fond of in
>>portage is the USE-flags and the way you can specify then globally and
>>individually for each package and how you can get a nice, short overview
>>of which USE-flags a package uses and which of them are enabled with
>>"emerge -pv port". And also how you can find their descriptions without
>>having to dig through Makefiles (although that's becoming less
>>intimidating for me now that I have been using FreeBSD for half a year
>>or so).
> 

there are global USE-flags in FreeBSD too and you also can configure
ports individually, but i'd agree that Gentoo way is more transparent.

> 
> you can use pkgtools.conf and the port* tools, you can define variables
> based on regular expressions (i.e., I have * => [ WITHOUT_IPV6=true] ,
> so no port* enables IPV6. Works quite well. Again, once you have a
> version of the port that works well for you, just make a package from
> your installed files and keep a copy of that ;-)
> 
> 
> *built with portinstall / portupgrade , NOT via the (cd
> /usr/ports/[category]/[portdir]/make process... make uses
> /etc/make.conf...but this method definitively lacks the granularity of
> pkgtools.conf.
> 

i already raised the following issue with pkgtools.sonf here on MLs some
time ago but i didn't get a response i'd be happy with:
i want to make sure that a certain port will be compiled with a certain
make argument/flag. there are MAKE_ARGS in port tools but these are
used/applied differently depending on whether the port is compiled
directly or indirectly via a metaport and also if it's being compiled
for the 1st time or again. :-((

> B
> 

besides, i should say i'm using mainly FreeBSD and occasionally i'm
playing with Gentoo but i consider the quality and stability of ports
provided to be (much) better than that of apps via portage. also,
syncing and updating portage tree is much more heavy (by which i mean it
takes much longer and downloads much more data) than updating ports
collection (especially since portsnap has appeared). not to mention that
 Gentoo's system/base layout is still heavy evolving and frequent
changes to the format, contents and location of their /etc files are
happening quite so often, which wouldn't make any admin too happy.

martin

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Re: FreeBSD Ports vs. Gentoo Portage (a matter of concept)

[martinko]

On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:10:26 -0500, Parv wrote
> in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, wrote martinko thusly...
> >
> > Norberto Meijome wrote:
> > > Hans Nieser wrote:
> > > 
> > >>FreeBSD Prospect wrote:
> ...
> > >>What I am especially fond of in portage is the USE-flags and the
> > >>way you can specify then globally and individually for each
> > >>package and how you can get a nice, short overview of which
> > >>USE-flags a package uses and which of them are enabled with
> > >>"emerge -pv port".
> ...
> > there are global USE-flags in FreeBSD too and you also can
> > configure ports individually, but i'd agree that Gentoo way is
> > more transparent.
> 
> Those USE_* flags are for port creators/maintainers not
> users/installers; user use of, well, USE_* flags may get you in a
> trouble.  OTOH, WITH_* & WITHOUT_* flags lie in user domain.
> 
>   - Parv
> 
> --


sorry, i had WITH[OUT] flags on my mind, of course.. :o)

m.
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Re: FreeBSD Ports vs. Gentoo Portage (a matter of concept)

[martinko]

On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:59:49 +1100, Norberto Meijome wrote
> martinko wrote:
> 
> > 
> > i already raised the following issue with pkgtools.sonf here on MLs some
> > time ago but i didn't get a response i'd be happy with:
> > i want to make sure that a certain port will be compiled with a certain
> > make argument/flag. there are MAKE_ARGS in port tools but these are
> > used/applied differently depending on whether the port is compiled
> > directly or indirectly via a metaport and also if it's being compiled
> > for the 1st time or again. :-((
> 
> hmm i wasn't aware of those subtleties... portupgrade + pkgtools.conf
> seem to behave pretty well to me (again, maybe they are not compiling
> the way I need with no negative side effects that I can notice.
> 
> > 
> > besides, i should say i'm using mainly FreeBSD and occasionally i'm
> > playing with Gentoo but i consider the quality and stability of ports
> > provided to be (much) better than that of apps via portage. also,
> > syncing and updating portage tree is much more heavy (by which i mean it
> > takes much longer and downloads much more data) than updating ports
> > collection
> 
> ah, definitely - fbsd port system seems to me much more stable and well
> behaved (it works as it should). and coupled with packages, it's just
> great.
> 
> > (especially since portsnap has appeared).
> 
> i have to say i still use cvsup...will have to give portsnap a try

cvsup is good. especially if you don't upgrade often. OTOH, portsnap is more
secure, network load friendly, and works behind proxies. and prepares ports
index file for you, too.

> 
> > not to mention that
> >  Gentoo's system/base layout is still heavy evolving and frequent
> > changes to the format, contents and location of their /etc files are
> > happening quite so often, which wouldn't make any admin too happy.
> >
> 
> true. though the system/layout it is evolving to is quite nice, IMHO.
> the "evolving too fast" feeling may come from being linux after all 
> ;) Again, i think it's the best distro around for powerusers.
> 
> Beto

i just don't know why they have to reinvent everything. freebsd's config files
overriding some defaults are pretty good idea, imho. on gentoo i remember to
have to merge my amended config files every time they added/changed something.
generally, this is one of the issues i see with linux. every distro tries to
reinvent the wheel and do the stuff differently. i think i quite understand
desire of their developers to create something new and best, but unix is where
it is because of its heritage and stability/compatibility, not because it's
been rewritten/reinvented from scratch every so often.
well, old unix gurus and developers with many years of experience and
knowledge are what i believe set BSDs apart from linux, which reminds me of my
young programming days and all that lack of knowledge and experience and all
those mistakes i've been through. :o)

m.
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Re: CPUTYPE value

[martinko]

Frederic Van Assche wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> What would be the best CPUTYPE setting for a Pentium M 750? pentium-m or 
> pentium4m?
> 
> Thanks,
> Frederic


pentium-m

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Re: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...

[martinko]

Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD wrote:
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: 02 April 2006 20:29
>>To: Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD
>>Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>>Subject: Re: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...
>>
>>
>>On 30/03/06, Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>I realise the answer to this question is "when it's ready", 
>>
>>but does anyone have a rough idea how close to being ready 6.1 is?
>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Peter Harrison
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I think the closest way of knowing is checking the todo page and when
>>they mostly say resolved it may be close to been ready.
>>
>>Chris
> 
> 
> Thanks for this Chris - I'll keep an eye on the todo page, and I've bitten 
> the bullet and upgraded to 6-STABLE (6.1-PRERELEASE) in the meantime.
> 
> 
> Peter
> 


i'm afraid todo page is not updated very often. at least this was the
case when i was watching it during previous releases. so one was/is left
to search through mailing lists for occasional background info.. :-(

btw, there used to be a great site publishing summaries of current
development -- http://www.xl0.org/FreeBSD/ -- it's been dead for more
than 1 yr though :(

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Re: Incorrect inline documentation in /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf

[martinko]

Alex Zbyslaw wrote:
> Spil Oss wrote:
> 
>> Thanks a lot, that makes it very clear for me.
>>
>> Would it be a good idea to make that specific in the pkgtools.conf
>> file? There must be more FreeBSD newbies that can run into the same
>> trouble.
>>  
>>
> It seems like a good idea to me but you'd want to get the idea to the
> author of portupgrade et al.
> 
> --Alex
> 

and note that portupgrade also handles differently ports depending on
whether they're being installed directly or indirectly (because of
dependency, eg via metaport), and when a package is being installed for
the first time or it's being upgraded. :(
this behaviour is rather inconsistent and confuses a lot and makes it
difficult to easily manage your compilation process and options
management, imho. :-(

m.

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Re: How to handle 'local' ports/packages?

[martinko]

Alex Zbyslaw wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> Ok, that's fine, but how can I have a port on my system that isn't in the
>> ports tree available to the world? I mean, won't anything I add to my
>> local
>> tree be deleted by cvsup'ing?
>>  
>>
> cvsup won't delete things you add, but I believe portsnap does.
> 
> I have a whole new port, and local patches for another in my /usr/ports
> tree and they just stay there.
> 
> hth,
> 
> --Alex
> 

i'm not so sure about portsnap -- i've got my new port in
/usr/ports/sysutils and portsnap does not touch it when updating.

m.

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Re: upcoming release 6.1: old version of some core components

[martinko]

Kris Kennaway wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2006 at 05:46:06PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED]@mgEDV.net wrote:
> 
>> 
>>
>>>I can't answer you main question, but I would say that you can bet your 
>>>shirt on the fact that there will be no known security issues in the 
>>>older packages.
>>
>>>At least for openssl and openssh you can get latest versions through the 
>>>ports.  Not an option for everything -- I see no zlib for example and I 
>>>don't believe there's a standard cvs port either.
>>
>>as for zlib i definitely know, that there are 2 security flaws, which can
>>lead to problems when invalid compressed data is feeded.
> 
> 
> Already fixed as soon as they were published.  Are there other reasons
> to upgrade?
> 
> 
>>my problem also is not the installation of ports/packages/custom compiles,
>>it's more that the operating system components itself are linked against
>>these older libraries an therefore will contain bugs, which may have been
>>already solved.
> 
> 
> The other side of this is that newer versions are often incompatible
> (OpenSSL, I'm looking at you), which rules out upgrading the version
> in a FreeBSD-STABLE branch since it ruins binary compatibility.
> 
> Kris

one may wonder why they change very minor version number/letter only, if
the changes are so disturbing..

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Re: upcoming release 6.1: old version of some core components

[martinko]

Kris Kennaway wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 08:42:44PM +0200, martinko wrote:
> 
>>Kris Kennaway wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, Apr 11, 2006 at 05:46:06PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED]@mgEDV.net wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I can't answer you main question, but I would say that you can bet your 
>>>>>shirt on the fact that there will be no known security issues in the 
>>>>>older packages.
>>>>
>>>>>At least for openssl and openssh you can get latest versions through the 
>>>>>ports.  Not an option for everything -- I see no zlib for example and I 
>>>>>don't believe there's a standard cvs port either.
>>>>
>>>>as for zlib i definitely know, that there are 2 security flaws, which can
>>>>lead to problems when invalid compressed data is feeded.
>>>
>>>
>>>Already fixed as soon as they were published.  Are there other reasons
>>>to upgrade?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>my problem also is not the installation of ports/packages/custom compiles,
>>>>it's more that the operating system components itself are linked against
>>>>these older libraries an therefore will contain bugs, which may have been
>>>>already solved.
>>>
>>>
>>>The other side of this is that newer versions are often incompatible
>>>(OpenSSL, I'm looking at you), which rules out upgrading the version
>>>in a FreeBSD-STABLE branch since it ruins binary compatibility.
>>>
>>>Kris
>>
>>one may wonder why they change very minor version number/letter only, if
>>the changes are so disturbing..
> 
> 
> It's more that they don't have the foresight and discipline not to
> keep breaking interfaces.  This may have changed recently, but I think
> their policy is still "until we release openssl 1.0 we make no
> promises about compatibility".
> 
> Kris


and it feels they're not going to release 1.0 any time soon.. i've been
seeing 0.9.something for longer than i can remember.

and btw i've always thought of openssl and openssh as somehow
coupled/interconnected. but openssl hasn't reached 1.0 while openssh is
already past 4. (and again it seems to me openssh changes major numbers
not according to major changes but whenever its version reaches x.9.)

funny.

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strange behaviour : grep -i --colour ""

[martinko]

hello,
i've just found out that while 'grep -i ""' and 'grep --colour ""' 
behave as expected (by myself), running 'grep -i --colour ""' results in 
very strange behaviour - grep consumes all available cpu and, based on 
its input and terminal type, its output is definitely not what it should be.

is this a known issue pls (i couldn't find anything about it) or am i 
just missing something ?

regards,
martin
ps: observed on freebsd 5.3r-p5
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re: strange behaviour : grep -i --colour ""

[martinko]

hi,
i've just prepared a typescript for you, see below. note that the 
original generated file is 37984604 bytes.
my system is:
$ uname -a
FreeBSD mb-aw1n-bsd 5.3-RELEASE-p5 FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p5 #5: Mon Feb 14 
19:45:04 CET 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MB-AW1N  i386

do you have any suggestions as what i should do pls?
cheers,
martin
--
Script started on Fri Mar 18 18:34:17 
2005 
You have 
mail. 
mb-aw1n-bsd:/root#  

mb-aw1n-bsd:/root# grep -i 
""  
q   

q   

a   

a   

z   

z   

^D..mb-aw1n-bsd:/root# grep --colour 
""
q   

q   

a   

a   

z   

z   

^D..mb-aw1n-bsd:/root# grep -i --colour 
"" 
q   

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mb-aw1n-bsd:/root#  

mb-aw1n-bsd:/root# 
^D..exit
   

Script done on Fri Mar 18 18:35:15 
2005

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Re: Release Information : A standard question !...:/

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Erik Norgaard wrote:

On Mon, 24 Oct 2005, George Katsanos wrote:

Is there any information that you can give to the freebsd fans about 
the 6.0

RELEASE [ releng] and its ..'release' date ?



http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/schedule.html

Erik


well, the page appears very static. i myself tried to check it regularly 
to follow the release process, unfortunately the page is more or less 
useless. this should be addressed, imho, as not everyone follows mailing 
lists.


martin

ps: i'm afraid the same goes for todo list / open issues. :(

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Re: Upcoming FreeBSD releases...

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Kris Kennaway wrote:

On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 11:01:32AM +0300, Casper wrote:


Hi,

I`m trying to make little schedule for upgrading and wanted to know 
when approximate will be new FreeBSD releases...
How I understand in few weeks must be FreeBSD 5.5 release, but I can`t 
find schedule for upcoming 5.5 version... Or it is delayed?

Or in few weeks will be maybe sooner 6.0 version of FreeBSD?



5.5 will be a few months after 6.0, i.e. perhaps not before the
beginning of next year.

Kris


hi,

as far as i understand minor releases are supposed to be 4-6 months 
apart. this should be the new release model announced. am i wrong? or 
has it changed? or is it influenced by something? (6.0-R?)
it might be useful, imho, to set/show a roadmap with at least 
approximate release dates.


m.

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Re: sk0: watchdog timeout

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Vladimir Dvorak wrote:

Hello,

I have a problem with network card. From time to time kernel says

sk0: watchdog timeout

It has (probably) random behavior.

I use FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE-p8, motherboard is ASUS A8V Deluxe (AMD64,
Athlon64XP 3200+) and internal network card from pciconf -v -l

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:10:0: class=0x02 card=0x811a1043 chip=0x432011ab rev=0x13
hdr=0x00
vendor   = 'Marvell Semiconductor (Was: Galileo Technology Ltd)'
device   = '88E8001 Gigabit 32-bit Ethernet Controller with
Integrated PHY'
class= network
subclass = ethernet


This machine should be sent to serverhouse and I am not sure, if it is
ready. :-( Can anyone tell me what is the solution ? To buy another
netcard ?

Thank you,

Vladimir Dvorak




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the same chip here and i see the messages from time to time too.
not sure what's the problem or if there is any at all.
so far card has been working alright, or at least i haven't noticed any 
issues.


m.

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Re: Upcoming FreeBSD releases...

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Kris Kennaway wrote:

On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 12:07:09AM +0100, martinko wrote:


Kris Kennaway wrote:


On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 11:01:32AM +0300, Casper wrote:



Hi,

I`m trying to make little schedule for upgrading and wanted to know 
when approximate will be new FreeBSD releases...
How I understand in few weeks must be FreeBSD 5.5 release, but I can`t 
find schedule for upcoming 5.5 version... Or it is delayed?

Or in few weeks will be maybe sooner 6.0 version of FreeBSD?



5.5 will be a few months after 6.0, i.e. perhaps not before the
beginning of next year.

Kris


hi,

as far as i understand minor releases are supposed to be 4-6 months 
apart. this should be the new release model announced. am i wrong? or 
has it changed? or is it influenced by something? (6.0-R?)
it might be useful, imho, to set/show a roadmap with at least 
approximate release dates.



Yes, since 6.0 took a long time it will push back the rest of the
published schedule to some extent.

Kris


ok, i understand.

but where is the schedule published ??
i fail to locate it on the web site. all i can find are current and old 
releases and an incomplete schedule for "upcoming" 6.0 (about which i 
just "complained" in other thread btw).


martin

ps: it's a pity this isn't updated anymore -- 
http://www.xl0.org/FreeBSD/ -- is there any other (comparable) source of 
information pls ??


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Re: Upcoming FreeBSD releases...

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Kris Kennaway wrote:

On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 01:00:03AM +0100, martinko wrote:



but where is the schedule published ??
i fail to locate it on the web site. all i can find are current and old 
releases and an incomplete schedule for "upcoming" 6.0 (about which i 
just "complained" in other thread btw).



http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html

Kris


thanks, kris.
only that 5.5 is still scheduled for november while you said it 
might/will be delayed up to a few months.

and 6.0 schedule / todo is (still) incomplete as already noted.
now, i don't want to complain (much), i can imagine it's a lot of work. 
still it might be very confusing / unpredictable for newcomers. at least 
it's for me.
i believe that since release model changed to time-based it is crucial 
to inform users of expected dates and update them as soon as it is known 
they won't be met.

cheers,
martin

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Re: New Logo - http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/

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Nick Withers wrote:

Well, the winner of the FreeBSD logo competition has been
announced - see http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/

So what's the verdict then? I have to say I've very impressed,
love the horns!



hello,

i wonder where i could see the other entries ??

also, while looking at the above web page, i noticed that spacing
(between letters) in "The Power To Serve" is wrong. maybe the font needs
more kerning/hinting or whatever.

martin

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Re: What happened with portaudit?

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Kövesdán Gábor wrote:

Hello,

One of my machines I got a report about 3 vulnerable packages (php4, 
ruby, openssl) in tomorrows security run output, but in today's security 
run output all of them disappeared, but nobody upgraded or removed the 
affected packages. I reinstalled portaudit, refreshd its database, but 
now it reports 0 affected pakages. The pkg_info command lists that three 
packages, so they are still installed. Does anybody suspect what's wrong?


Cheers,

Gabor Kovesdan
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well, i can confirm i've had some issues with ports lately, too.

after realising new gnome was out i did portsnap and portaudit as usual. 
i was very surprised to find out that portversion didn't show new ports 
as well as portaudit didn't report on 2 vulnerabilities it reported a 
day or two before. i tried to update ports db manually only to find some 
errors. pkg_version correctly identified new ports. this state changed 
in about half a day when suddenly portsnap & portversion reported all 
new packages. otoh, portaudit still doesn't report on vulnerabilities it 
reported a few days ago.


strange..

martin

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Re: What happened with portaudit?

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Simon L. Nielsen wrote:

On 2005.11.06 21:48:52 +0100, Jimmy Scott wrote:


On Sun, Nov 06, 2005 at 05:30:00PM +0100, Kövesdán Gábor wrote:


Hello,

One of my machines I got a report about 3 vulnerable packages (php4, 
ruby, openssl) in tomorrows security run output, but in today's security 
run output all of them disappeared, but nobody upgraded or removed the 
affected packages. I reinstalled portaudit, refreshd its database, but 
now it reports 0 affected pakages. The pkg_info command lists that three 
packages, so they are still installed. Does anybody suspect what's wrong?


I noticed the same, but didn't had the time to look for a possible
answer on that question.



It does seem to work for me now.  Could people having this problem
please check the size of /var/db/portaudit/auditfile.tbz and try to
run portaudit -Fa to refetch the database and check again?

For reference:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp] ls -l /var/db/portaudit/auditfile.tbz
-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  31762  6 Nov 22:40 /var/db/portaudit/auditfile.tbz

There have been one previous report where a problem with the portaudit
database build resulted in an incomplete auditfile which was then
fixed after the next portaudit database rebuild.



it works now.

and yes, i did portaudit -Fda several times during that day to no avail.

m.

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Re: New Logo - http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/ (OFF-TOPIC)

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Allen D. Tate wrote:

Very disappointing. I prefer the current logo over a ball with two
horns!!! and the font used to write FreeBSD is very unprofessional.



It is interesting to see differing opinions. I kinda like the new logo
and new font and think that it does look professional. I am not saying
that your opinion is wrong in any way so don't think I am saying you're
wrong. :)



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well, everyone has a different opinion on this. but even without saying 
whether i like the new font or not, when i look at it closely it does 
look that it needs more touch and polishing. i'm not an expert on 
typography, it's just a feeling. it would be usefull if the font was 
published in a vector format or at least in big resolution. the same 
goes for the rest of presented art.


martin

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Re: boot manager linux/bsd dual boot

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John Cox wrote:
I am preparing for a freeBSD install on my laptop with XP and Fedora. I 
am familiar with Grub and would like to use that to boot freeBSD.  Can 
someone point me to an example of a grub.conf (menu.lst) entry that will 
work?

Or
How do I configure boot manager to boot Fedora?

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# For booting FreeBSD
title  FreeBSD 5
root   (hd0,2,a)
kernel /boot/loader

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moused flags behaviour in 6.0 -- regression?

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hello,

until freebsd 6.0 (that is to say in 5.3 and 5.4) i used 
moused_flags="-3" in rc.conf and both my mice worked correctly (or as 
desired) -- synaptics touchpad missing 3rd button was emulated while the 
wheel on my USB mouse worked as expected.
now, in 6.0, with the same setting, touchpad 3rd button is emulated but 
USB mouse's wheel doesn't work. if i don't use the flag, USB mouse's 
wheel work but obviously there is no 3rd button on my touchpad. :-(
also, iirc back on 5.x even on wheel mouse the 3rd button could be 
emulated by pressing buttons 1 and 2, which is not possible now with 
wheel being on.


now, i know about moused_ums0_flags="", i'm just wondering why has this 
changed (to worse from my point of view).
also, at first i tried moused_psm0_flags="-3" but that didn't work as 
touchpad is apparently initialised without specifying psm0 device.


i hope i made myself clear (enough).

regards,

martin

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Re: moused flags behaviour in 6.0 -- regression?

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On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 06:51:34 +, Jayton Garnett wrote
> Hi,
> 
> I presume all you want is to get the wheel working under X.
> Adding a line to xorg.conf in the mouse section is all I need to add 
> no matter what mouse I use to get the wheel to work under X/Gnome.
> 
> Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
> 
> Regards,
> Jayton
> 
> martinko wrote:
> 
> > hello,
> >
> > until freebsd 6.0 (that is to say in 5.3 and 5.4) i used 
> > moused_flags="-3" in rc.conf and both my mice worked correctly (or as 
> > desired) -- synaptics touchpad missing 3rd button was emulated while 
> > the wheel on my USB mouse worked as expected.
> > now, in 6.0, with the same setting, touchpad 3rd button is emulated 
> > but USB mouse's wheel doesn't work. if i don't use the flag, USB 
> > mouse's wheel work but obviously there is no 3rd button on my 
> > touchpad. :-(
> > also, iirc back on 5.x even on wheel mouse the 3rd button could be 
> > emulated by pressing buttons 1 and 2, which is not possible now with 
> > wheel being on.
> >
> > now, i know about moused_ums0_flags="", i'm just wondering why has 
> > this changed (to worse from my point of view).
> > also, at first i tried moused_psm0_flags="-3" but that didn't work as 
> > touchpad is apparently initialised without specifying psm0 device.
> >
> > i hope i made myself clear (enough).
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > martin
> >


no, jayton, that's not what i was talking about.

regards,

martin
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Re: starting services?

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Gerry Freymann wrote:

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:45:14 -0500
"Lonnie Cumberland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



I have just installed the Samba3 via the packages in the
/stand/sysinstall but am not clear on how to start the daemon.  I have
had a lot of experience with Linux but have not learned a lot about
FreeBSD yet and am working on it.



 Welcome to FreeBSD. You didn't mention what version you are using, so I
can only speak definitively on v4.

 If you installed via the ports/packages, it should have dropped a start
up script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d (which is where a lot of the start
up/shut down scripts go for various programs).

 You may have something in there called samba.sh.sample. If you copy it or
rename it to samba.sh it will automatically start and stop samba for you
as needed.

 If you manually want to do this, you *must* use the full path to the
script:

/usr/local/etc/rc.d/samba.sh start | stop

 You should find what you need in /usr/local/etc/rc.d




i wonder why i cannot start for instance ssh with
/etc/rc.d/sshd start
but i always have to use
/etc/rc.d/sshd forcestart
and similarly for stop, status, etc.

any ideas pls ??

cheers,

martin

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Re: starting services?

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On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:17:01 +0800, Foo Ji-Haw wrote
> > i wonder why i cannot start for instance ssh with
> > /etc/rc.d/sshd start
> > but i always have to use
> > /etc/rc.d/sshd forcestart
> > and similarly for stop, status, etc.
> > 
> > any ideas pls ??
> You have to add a line in /etc/rc.conf. I think it is 
> samba_enable="YES".


well, if you add sshd_enable="YES", the service (always) starts on boot.

i just want to start it manually and i wonder why it doesn't listen to "start"
argument but only "forcestart" and similarly for other commands i've got to
use "force".

anyone knows why pls ??

martin
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Re: starting services?

[martinko]

On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:22:19 +, Halldor R. Haflidason wrote
> On Monday, 21 November 2005 at 15:11:35 +0100, martinko wrote:
> > On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:17:01 +0800, Foo Ji-Haw wrote
> > > > i wonder why i cannot start for instance ssh with
> > > > /etc/rc.d/sshd start
> > > > but i always have to use
> > > > /etc/rc.d/sshd forcestart
> > > > and similarly for stop, status, etc.
> > > > 
> > > > any ideas pls ??
> > > You have to add a line in /etc/rc.conf. I think it is 
> > > samba_enable="YES".
> > 
> > 
> > well, if you add sshd_enable="YES", the service (always) starts on boot.
> > 
> > i just want to start it manually and i wonder why it doesn't listen to 
> > "start"
> > argument but only "forcestart" and similarly for other commands i've got to
> > use "force".
> > 
> > anyone knows why pls ??
> > 
> > martin
> 
> Because when the system boots up it sends the 'start' argument to 
> all the scripts in the rc.d directories, those scripts then check 
> wether they should start or not. Force start simply overrides that check.
> 
> Halldor


ok, i see now, thanks for your explanation!

m.
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Re: recompiled 6.0 does not boot -- need help !!

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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:36:48 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote
> > boot:
> >
> > Simply copy the default line and append ".old", as in:
> >
> > boot: 0:ad(0,a)/boot/loader.old
> 
> loader.old??? AFAIK loader is not rebuilt while compiling kernel and 
> there is no such file like loader.old created!
> 
> > Here, you can tell the loader to boot the previous kernel:
> >
> > OK boot /boot/kernel.old
> >
> 
> looks better :)


thanks, but the issue is with the loader itself -- it resets my laptop as soon
as it's loaded (by grub installed in gentoo partition).

i'll check and try the other advices i received and will let you all know ...

cheers,

martin
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Re: recompiled 6.0 does not boot -- need help !!

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Bartosz Fabianowski wrote:
loader.old??? AFAIK loader is not rebuilt while compiling kernel and 
there is no such file like loader.old created!



It is installed with world and not kernel then. Sorry for getting that 
wrong, I didn't check. But it makes no difference to the original poster 
because he reinstalled both world and kernel:


 > i recompiled kernel (and world) and it does not boot anymore.

Of course, the handbook recommends installing a new kernel and rebooting 
before installing world, but people keep doing it differently ;).


- Bartosz


i did follow the handbook ... (though i might not be precise with my 
wording above)


m.

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Re: cpufreq and changing driver

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Marco Calviani wrote:

Hi Nate,

2005/11/30, Nate Lawson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:



You should send the full output of "sysctl dev.cpu".  There is no
cpufreq driver (est, acpi_perf, or other) driver running.  Perhaps look
at your dmesg to see if one is probing/attaching.





sysctl dev.cpu


dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPU
dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu
dev.cpu.0.%location: handle=\_PR_.CPU0
dev.cpu.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0
dev.cpu.0.%parent: acpi0
dev.cpu.0.freq: 1000
dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 1800/24000 1600/2 1400/18000 1225/15750
1050/13500 1000/16000 875/14000 750/12000 625/1 600/12000
525/10500 450/9000 375/7500 300/6000 225/4500 150/3000 75/1500



hi,

may i just ask what are the numbers after slash(es) in freq_levels ?
(sysctl -d does not say anything but "dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: CPU 
frequency levels")

(and i've got -1 everywhere (??); machine is pentium-m 755)

cheers,

martin

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Re: DualBoot

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Mr. Albritton wrote:

How viable is it to install FreeBSD along side WinXP?  (Dual Boot)  Also, can the BSD 
MBR be removed once it's installed?  I've tried FIXMBR with the WinXP CD and it 
didn't workAny suggestions?
---
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you don't have to install fbsd's mbr at all. you could use win nt/xp 
boot manager. but fot that to work you would need to create a boot 
sector image to boot fbsd. i've achieved it with software called 
bootpart. or you can use grub.


btw, my winxp stopped working after i tried to install 2nd installation 
of fbsd -- i had 5.4 and i installed 6.0. most unfortunately, fdisk 
shuffled partitions and my grub stopped working properly. i managed to 
fix it by hand (good old norton disk editor) and everything works fine 
but winxp -- i got a message saying something like it cannot load hal 
file or something. :-((


martin

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Re: How often portupgrades?

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Joerg Pernfuss wrote:

On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:29:41 +0100
"Kiffin Gish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Just wondering what a good rule of thumb is in how often to run
portupgrades.

I figure that once a week should be sufficient, however each time it
runs it can take up to a few hours to complete which seems like an
unnecessary hassle to me. Once it even started rebuilding the
complete gnome port which took a couple days!

Is this worthwhile? What are the benefits?

Thanks alot in advance.



Everybody has to figure out that one for himself, so, here is my
rule of thumb:

Upgrade your ports only when you need to.

If all installed ports work fine and a new version doesn't introduce
some functionality you simply need to have, why update?
Just for the sake of updateing?


Joerg


you forgot to mention security issues. even if you don't like often 
updating, you should run portaudit regularly (once a day?) and make sure 
you update the ports with security advisories.


martin

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Re: how to track 6.0 increments ?

[martinko]

ke.han wrote:

Roland Smith wrote:


On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 01:20:06AM +0800, ke.han wrote:

I have installed 6.0 and would like to follow important changes 
before something labeled 6.1 comes out.

What is the prescribed method for this?

I don't want to follow current or stable (I don't think).  I just 
want security fixes and other changes that might be termed 6.01 if 
there were such a thing.




Create a cvsup-file with
*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_6_0



thanks...so now that I have sync'd my source incorrectly by using 
stable-supfile and standard-supfile, can I get things back to where I 
want just by sync'ing again with the RELENG_6_0 tag ??


thanks ke han


why incorrectly? those files come as cvsup examples. and they're 
correct, you only need to specify your nearest mirror (*default host=)
and if you want to follow the security branch, just change tag=RELENG_6 
to tag=RELENG_6_0


martin





This will only give you important security fixes. If there are fixes,
you can find them on the FreeBSD homepage, under SECURITY ADVISORIES.

If a advisory has come out, use cvsup to update the sources, and rebuild
your kernel and userland as documented at the end of /usr/src/UPDATING
under the heading 'To rebuild everything and install it on the current
system". Note; you have to be in /usr/src to build world+kernel.

Roland




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Re: DualBoot

[martinko]

On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:46:12 +, Martin Tournoy wrote
> Dual-boot is always a bit of a risk to install, backup your important
> data first...
> 
> I have good experiences with the GAG bootmanager, which can be
> installed as a port sysutils/gag, and the website is
> http://gag.sourceforge.net/
> 
> You can just create a boot floppy, and either save the config on the
> floppy or the MBR, it simple and easy, unlike lilo or grub
> 
> On 04/12/05, martinko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Mr. Albritton wrote:
> > > How viable is it to install FreeBSD along side WinXP?  (Dual Boot) 
Also, can the BSD MBR be removed once it's installed?  I've tried FIXMBR with
the WinXP CD and it didn't workAny suggestions?
> > > ---
> > > Mike Albritton
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> > you don't have to install fbsd's mbr at all. you could use win nt/xp
> > boot manager. but fot that to work you would need to create a boot
> > sector image to boot fbsd. i've achieved it with software called
> > bootpart. or you can use grub.
> >
> > btw, my winxp stopped working after i tried to install 2nd installation
> > of fbsd -- i had 5.4 and i installed 6.0. most unfortunately, fdisk
> > shuffled partitions and my grub stopped working properly. i managed to
> > fix it by hand (good old norton disk editor) and everything works fine
> > but winxp -- i got a message saying something like it cannot load hal
> > file or something. :-((
> >
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well, i do not think this is about boot manager. i have not touched boot
manager (i have both grub and winxp) and i was successful in reparing my
partition table. all other systems (dos, fbsd, linux) work, only winxp
complains about that HAL file or something. :-((

anyone has had experienced something similar and know how to fix it pls ???

cheers,

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Re: pkgtools.conf make arguments ignored (?!?)

[martinko]

Scot Hetzel wrote:


On 12/11/05, martinko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 


hello,

i'm having troubles with specifying make arguments to portupgrade via
/usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf.
this is a part of my config file:

 MAKE_ARGS = {
   'x11/yelp' => 'WITH_MAN=1 WITH_INFO=1 WITH_GECKO=mozilla',
 }

it works only if i run `portupgrade -N yelp`
but it does not work when i run eg `portupgrade -N gnome2-lite`

interesting thing is that according to pkgtools.conf itself the
following should work too but it does not :

 MAKE_ARGS = {
   'x11/yelp-*' => 'WITH_MAN=1 WITH_INFO=1 WITH_GECKO=mozilla',
 }

is this a known issue (and why?) or am i doing something wrong ??

   


Do you have an entry in the MAKE_ARGS for x11/gnome2-lite? As your
example doesn't show an entry for it.

Scot
 



well, i want to set an entry for x11/yelp. and i expect portupgrade to 
take that entry into account whenever it compiles x11/yelp. whether it 
is compiled directly or indirectly as a dependency. (for i might want to 
compile gnome2-office port instead and of course i do not want to create 
an entry for every possible combination. i do not expect pkgtools to 
work this way.)


martin
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moving from startx to wdm -- how to make x11 not to listen on tcp ??

[martinko]

Hello,

I've been using startx / .xinitrc to start up X11 up till now and I made
sure startx ran X11 with "-nolisten tcp".
Now I'm moving to WDM and I'm not sure how to tell X11 not to listen on
port 6000. :-/
What is the best way to achieve this, please ?

Cheers,

Martin

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Re: Installing Oracle Client 10g on FreeBSD

[martinko]

Mike Friedman wrote:
> I'm running FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE and I want to run a current Oracle
> client-only with encryption support.
> 
> First, I installed the Oracle client port, which represents Oracle 7.
> But my database support person tells me that's quite old and, in fact,
> he couldn't be sure it would work (especially the encryption part) with
> the Oracle database I'd be using (which he helps support).  And I was
> getting some strange symptoms when I tested it.
> 
> So, he recommended that I download the Oracle 10g Client for Linux.
> Since my FreeBSD system is configured for Linux compatibility, I'm
> hoping this will work.  However, I can't even get the Installer to
> complete!  It keeps telling me that I may not have enough space in my
> root partition, even though I'm not trying to install into the root
> partition.  (The partition in which I'm installing has lots of space).
> 
> In addition, I should say that the machine on which this Oracle client
> will be installed is not running X Windows.  This means I can't use the
> installation menus, so I've been running the Installation tool with a
> 'response file'.  The response file, however, doesn't have much
> flexibility.  In particular, when I'm told I may not have enough space,
> it asks me if I want to continue, but there's no way for me to reply
> 'yes' from the response file.
> 
> In any case, based on the installation logs, it really looks like the
> Installation tool is looking at the root partition for how much space is
> available.
> 
> I've found in the FreeBSD handbook an article on installing Oracle 8.0.
> But it appears that there have been changes with 10g.  Also, those
> instructions seem to assume a server install, so they talk about setting
> some shared memory values and other things that may not apply to me anyway.
> 
> Do I have any other options?  I don't want to install the full Oracle
> package (client and server), just the client, so that I can write some
> perl scripts to query a remote Oracle database.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Mike
> 

Mike, have you considered linux-oracle-instantclient-* ports ?

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Re: ssh tunnel - remote access through nat

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Nikos Vassiliadis wrote:
> On Tuesday 25 July 2006 20:03, Drew wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I've got a box that's nat'd out to the internet. It is occassionally
>> neccessary for me to access this box remotely. The obvious answer is:
>>
>> ssh -R :localhost:22 remote.box cat
>>
>> run from the nat'd box where remote box is a place I pretty much always
>> have access too from anywhere, anytime. The problem is that the connection
>> between these two boxes is famously unreliable - so I need to ensure that
>> this connection stays available. Unfortunately, the procedure for this is
>> not obvious to me. I've thought about a cron job, as the connection would
>> simply fail if it couldn't bind to  on the remote box to listen. But
>> I'm thinking there has to be something that makes more sense. Suggestions?
>> Feedback? Thanks in advance for any pointers.
> 
> you can do something like this in bourne-like shells:
> 
> while true; do
>   ssh -N ...
>   sleep 1
> done
> 
> and something like this in csh:
> while ( 1 )
>   ...
> end
> 
> from ssh manual:
>  -N  Do not execute a remote command.  This is useful for just for-
>  warding ports (protocol version 2 only).
> 
> The sleep command is used to add a little delay in case there is some-
> thing really wrong and ssh returns immediately, resulting in looping
> very fast.
> 
> Then you just have to ensure that ssh will be aware of a dropped
> connection (by the means of keep-alives) and exit. You can do this
> with ssh, but you have configure keep-alives on both machines,
> client and server.
> 
> An alternative method would be ipfw keep-alives for dynamic rules
> and you have to configure it only on the box you're ssh'ing from. It
> works very nice.
> 
> In both cases you have to use public key authentication in order to
> log on automatically after a network failure. I guess it's already
> set up.
> 
> A few pointers, read ssh, sshd, ssh-keygen and ipfw manuals
> 
> HTH, Nikos


Hello,

I was just thinking along these lines this evening -- putting ssh in
loop so that the tunnel is recreated whenever connection drops.
However, I'd like to automate it somehow so that the machine creating
tunnel can be restarted and it tries to open up tunnel when it boots up.
The thing is that if I just simply create an rc script to achieve this,
the script is run under root and ssh cannot make use of public key
authentication which is set up now for a user running it manually.
Or is there a way to change identity somehow or to run an rc script
under different user account ??

Cheers,

Martin

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Re: ssh tunnel - remote access through nat

[martinko]

Chuck Swiger wrote:
> On Oct 10, 2006, at 2:55 PM, martinko wrote:
>> [ ... ]
>> The thing is that if I just simply create an rc script to achieve this,
>> the script is run under root and ssh cannot make use of public key
>> authentication which is set up now for a user running it manually.
>> Or is there a way to change identity somehow or to run an rc script
>> under different user account ??
>
> Of course. One can use "su -" to run a command under another user, or
> use the "ssh -i" option to pass the user's identity (ie, their SSH
> private key) directly...
>
> ---Chuck
>
>

su(1) usually asks for password. but it does not when run by root, of
course. :-)
i like `ssh -i`, too. only that i'll have to check whether it won't
complain that identity file ownership doesn't match user running it.
(which would be root i expect)

also, i've been kindly reminded of cron(8) and its @reboot option.

thank you all for your input! (i'd better go to bed now..;))

m.
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running windows applications and making use of existing ms windows installation

[martinko]

Hello list,

I've been reading for some time about VMWare, Wine, Qemu, Bochs and some
others, but I'm still not sure which one would (best) fit my needs:

I've got a dual boot and I would like to make use of existing Windows
(XP) installation, not having to create a new virtual disk/system and
install everything from scratch.

Can I use existing Windows installation with some of the existing
"emulation" software ??

I would appreciate any suggestions, experiences, how-to's, links, etc.

Many thanks!

Martin
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priority of make/ports options (?) -- FreeBSD Port: sysutils/portconf

[martinko]

Hello,

I'm using portconf to set ports' knobs.  Also I'm setting some general
knobs via make.conf.

Now I've run into this situation:
- i've got WITH_GECKO=seamonkey in /etc/make.conf
- yelp from new gnome 2.16 does not build with knob above. therefore in
/usr/local/etc/ports.conf i set:
x11/yelp: WITH_MAN | WITH_INFO | USE_GECKO=xulrunner
Unfortunately it does not work as I intended -- when I `portinstall
gnome2-lite` it tries to build yelp WITH_GECKO=seamonkey. :-/

How can I solve this pls ??
How can I specify a general knob and then override it for some ports ?

Cheers,

Martin
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kern.maxfiles exceeded soon after KDE or Gnome started

[martinko]

Hello list,

I've installed KDE 3.5.4 and Gnome 2.14 on a new GENERIC installation of
6.2-PRERELEASE.
Both desktop environments syslog error about exceeding kern.maxfiles
limit soon after their started.
While with Window Maker and many open apps, and even with Xfce 4.2, I
usually have between 200 to 500 kern.openfiles, kern.maxfiles (defaults
to 1064) is obviously too low for KDE/Gnome or I'm running into an issue
or sth.
As I haven't noticed recommendation on kern.maxfiles on project pages
nor during installation of the ports, I'd like to ask the community what
are the sane recommended numbers ??

Regards,

Martin

PS: Please CC me as I'm not on the lists.
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where to set SSL compile time cipher string ?

[martinko]

Hi,

I'm not sure I understood this correctly but at
 I've read something
about cipher list and defaults etc.  And I would like to tell my system
to build SSL with ``high'' encryption cipher suites.  Where can I set
this preference pls ??  I've searched through make.conf and man pages
but haven't found anything.

Cheers,

Martin
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fstab & (local) mount -- FreeBSD Port: sysutils/fusefs-curlftpfs

[martinko]

Hello,

This is from CurlFtpFS FAQ:

# *How can I make CurlFtpFS mount automatically at startup?*
You can add it to /etc/fstab. Example:

  curlftpfs#ftp.host.com /mnt/host fuse rw,uid=500,user,noauto 0 0
  

However, it does not work on FreeBSD -- mount fails with this complain:
mount: exec mount_fusefs not found in /sbin:/usr/sbin: No such file or
directory

Of course, we have it here: /usr/local/sbin/mount_fusefs

Is there any workaround or could this be fixed/amended somehow pls ??

Cheers,

Martin
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Re: priority of make/ports options (?) -- FreeBSD Port: sysutils/portconf

[martinko]

Doug Barton wrote:
> martinko wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm using portconf to set ports' knobs.  Also I'm setting some general
>> knobs via make.conf.
>>
>> Now I've run into this situation:
>> - i've got WITH_GECKO=seamonkey in /etc/make.conf
>> - yelp from new gnome 2.16 does not build with knob above. therefore in
>> /usr/local/etc/ports.conf i set:
>> x11/yelp: WITH_MAN | WITH_INFO | USE_GECKO=xulrunner
>> Unfortunately it does not work as I intended -- when I `portinstall
>> gnome2-lite` it tries to build yelp WITH_GECKO=seamonkey. :-/
>>
>> How can I solve this pls ??
>> How can I specify a general knob and then override it for some ports ?
>
> Don't set global knobs in make.conf. Set them in ports.conf like this:
>
> *:WITH_GECKO=seamonkey
> x11/yelp:WITH_MAN | WITH_INFO | USE_GECKO=xulrunner
>
> That should give you the precedence that you need.
>
> hth,
>
> Doug
>

Doug, thank you for the idea!

Meanwhile, when I was going to check it, I found out that I mistyped
(originally) my knob -- it should be WITH_GECKO=xulrunner (not
USE_GECKO) -- and it works now, too! :-)

Anyway, I'm going to move port related knobs from make.conf to
ports.conf (which wasn't available at the time I populated my make.conf).

With regards,

Martin
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Re: fstab & (local) mount -- FreeBSD Port: sysutils/fusefs-curlftpfs

[martinko]

Jerry McAllister wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 09:10:54PM +0200, martinko wrote:
>
>   
>> Hello,
>>
>> This is from CurlFtpFS FAQ:
>>
>> # *How can I make CurlFtpFS mount automatically at startup?*
>> You can add it to /etc/fstab. Example:
>>
>>   curlftpfs#ftp.host.com /mnt/host fuse rw,uid=500,user,noauto 0 0
>>   
>>
>> However, it does not work on FreeBSD -- mount fails with this complain:
>> mount: exec mount_fusefs not found in /sbin:/usr/sbin: No such file or
>> directory
>>
>> Of course, we have it here: /usr/local/sbin/mount_fusefs
>>
>> Is there any workaround or could this be fixed/amended somehow pls ??
>> 
>
> Looks like you need to add /usr/local/sbin to your path.
>
> jerry
>   

Hi,

I do not think that is the case:

$ env | grep PATH
PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/home/mato/bin

It seems that mount(8) is hardcoded or something to look only in those
two directories, ignoring any /usr/local/sbin stuff.

So the original question remains -- what can be done about it ??

M.
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emulators/qemu: crashes with "Bad system call: 12"

[martinko]

Hello,

I'm trying to install Win2K but QEMU is constantly crashing with:

Bad system call: 12

The command line I'm using is a variation of the following:

qemu -cdrom /opt/win2k.iso -hda /opt/c.img -m 256 -boot d -win2k-hack

First I tried to boot directly from CD.  Also I used QCOW disk image but
QEMU crashed at a very early stage (before Win2K installer kicked in).
Now I'm using RAW disk image and QEMU actually runs up to after initial
Win2K installer reads device configuration files.

What might be wrong and how to fix it please ?

Cheers,

Martin

PS: QEMU is freshly installed from ports on FreeBSD 6.2-PRERELEASE.

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Re: emulators/qemu: crashes with "Bad system call: 12"

[martinko]

Josh Carroll wrote:
>> I'm trying to install Win2K but QEMU is constantly crashing with:
>>
>> Bad system call: 12
>
> According to the qemu man page, there is an option you need when
> installing windows 2000. I don't know if it'd cause the bad system
> call message, but it's worth a shot. Also, I think the newer qemu port
> require aio (kldload aio, if it's not built into your kernel).
>
>   -win2k-hack
>   Use it when installing Windows 2000 to avoid a disk full
> bug. After
>   Windows 2000 is installed, you no longer need this option (this
>   option slows down the IDE transfers).
>
> Give that a shot.
>
> Josh
>
>>
>> The command line I'm using is a variation of the following:
>>
>> qemu -cdrom /opt/win2k.iso -hda /opt/c.img -m 256 -boot d -win2k-hack
>>
>> First I tried to boot directly from CD.  Also I used QCOW disk image but
>> QEMU crashed at a very early stage (before Win2K installer kicked in).
>> Now I'm using RAW disk image and QEMU actually runs up to after initial
>> Win2K installer reads device configuration files.
>>
>> What might be wrong and how to fix it please ?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> PS: QEMU is freshly installed from ports on FreeBSD 6.2-PRERELEASE.
>>

hi,

i tried that win2k option and qemu still fails with or without it. :-/

i loaded up aio(4) module and while displaying the following ...

Nov 12 01:24:38 mb-aw1n-bsd kernel: WARNING: Network stack Giant-free,
but aio requires Giant.
Nov 12 01:24:38 mb-aw1n-bsd kernel: Consider adding 'options
NET_WITH_GIANT' or setting debug.mpsafenet=0

... it actually helped my case and now i'm curiously installing
winblows.. ;o)

many thanks !!

martin

ps: i'm cc-ing the lists for archives.

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portsnap mirrors not being updated (?)

[martinko]

Hello,

I've seen the following for around last two days:

Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 2 mirrors found.
Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap1.FreeBSD.org... done.
Latest snapshot on server matches what we already have.
No updates needed.

Is something going on with portsnap's mirror building ?

M.

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Re: cannot log in via console, cannot su(1), only as root

[martinko]

Michael K. Smith - Adhost wrote:

Hello Martinko:


-Original Message-
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Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 4:36 PM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: cannot log in via console, cannot su(1), only as root

martinko wrote:

hello list,

i was updating sw configuration of my old computer and towards the

end i

noticed i couldn't log in on local console other than root.  i tried
remote ssh using public keys which worked but i found out su(1) to

any

user except root does not work either.  i've no idea how i could
possibly manage to "break" my system like this and unfortunately i

need

to fix it by tomorrow.  therefore i would really appreciate your

prompt

hints as what to check etc.


some more details follow ...

upgrade from 6.0-R to 6.2-R
everything went ok ..
i was doing changes in /etc based on my other computer settings
i was working via ssh(1), therefore i haven't noticed when logging on
console stopped working.

what works:
log in via ssh(1) using public/private keys
log in on local console as root
su(1) to root

what doesn't work:
log in via ssh(1) using password
log in on local console as a normal user
su(1) to a normal user (it even doesn't ask for password a throws
"sorry")

besides, as root i'm able to change passwords via passwd(1), but it
doesn't help and a normal user cannot change their own password (old
password check would fail).

i ran vipw(8) and it doesn't seem to me there's something wrong with

my

files.

any hints pls ??



The normal user would have to be a member of the "wheel" group to use su
at any point.  If your normal user logs in via ssh/console/whatever,
they should be able to run the passwd command to change their own
password.  You wouldn't want them to su to do so.  If you want to test
this, add your normal user to the wheel group, log in again and see if
it works.



I'm not having problem with a password as such.  I can change it.  I 
just cannot log in using password as any user apart from root, whether 
logging locally (console) or remotely (ssh).  Users I tried su(1) are of 
course members of wheel group.  su(1) failed before even accepting any 
password.  There's something wrong somewhere and I need to find it, just 
don't know how.  Any ideas pls ??


Martin

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Re: portupgrade refusin to upgrade a port .. when it shouldn't imho

[martinko]

Kris Kennaway wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 10:55:40PM +0100, martinko wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> According to freshports.org the newest multimedia/win32-codecs port
>> (3.1.0.r1,1) is not vulnerable.  I'm trying to upgrade version
>> win32-codecs-3.1.0.p8,1 on my system but portupgrade + portaudit refuse
>> me to do so:
>>
>> ** Port marked as IGNORE: multimedia/win32-codecs:
>> is forbidden: Remote code execution:
>> http://vuxml.FreeBSD.org/24f6b1eb-43d5-11db-81e1-000e0c2e438a.html
>>
>> Isn't this behaviour flawed ??  Or am I missing something ?
> 
> Did you update your portaudit database?
> 
> Kris

Sure thing:

mb-aw1n-bsd[/root]# portaudit -Fda
New database installed.
Database created: Thu Dec  7 01:10:04 CET 2006
Affected package: win32-codecs-3.1.0.p8,1
Type of problem: win32-codecs -- multiple vulnerabilities.
Reference:
<http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/portaudit/24f6b1eb-43d5-11db-81e1-000e0c2e438a.html>

1 problem(s) in your installed packages found.

You are advised to update or deinstall the affected package(s) immediately.
mb-aw1n-bsd[/root]# portupgrade -if win32-codecs
--->  Session started at: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 01:24:42 +0100
** Port marked as IGNORE: multimedia/win32-codecs:
is forbidden: Remote code execution:
http://vuxml.FreeBSD.org/24f6b1eb-43d5-11db-81e1-000e0c2e438a.html
--->  ** Upgrade tasks 1: 0 done, 1 ignored, 0 skipped and 0 failed
--->  Listing the results (+:done / -:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed)
- multimedia/win32-codecs (win32-codecs-3.1.0.p8,1)
--->  Packages processed: 0 done, 1 ignored, 0 skipped and 0 failed
--->  Session ended at: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 01:24:43 +0100 (consumed 00:00:01)

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Re: portupgrade + make_ports.sh: Fixing everything in one go

[martinko]

Fafa Hafiz Krantz wrote:

Hello!

I thought I'd ask you all if my make_ports.sh is as convenient as I think
it is, or if it's totally off track or what not:

# cat make_ports.sh

cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/cvsupfile
cd /usr/ports
make fetchindex
portupgrade -raP
portsdb -uU
pkgdb -F
portsclean -CDLP

As for "portupgrade -raP" I want it to only use packages since my system
is very slow, and recompiling all my ports is not an option. This command,
however, doesn't seem to work at all.

I get a lot of:

** The command returned a non-zero exit status: 1
** Failed to fetch ...

And it ends up compiling my ports instead ...

I truly hope anyone can help.
Thanks!

--
Fafa Hafiz Krantz
  Research Designer @ http://www.bleed.com




fafa,

try to use 'portupgrade -raPP'

martin

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Re: Cleanup unused files and other junk ...

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Micah wrote:



jonas wrote:


On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:50:21 +0200
Kiffin Gish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Is there a good and dependable procedure for cleaning up the file 
systems from unused junk that just clutters valuable disc space?


I am already aware of the 'periodic daily' scripts 
'clear_tmp_enable=YES' option for the rc.conf file, but where else

can one safely remove files.




-if you ever did a buildworld then you have the compiled base system
in  /usr/obj, which you can delete.
-you can scan your filesystem for *.core files (a process creates these
when it crashes) and delete them.
-make sure you always do a 'make clean' after installing software from
the ports. i think portupgrade can scan and cleanup all ports workdirs.

but i think in most cases much more spaces is wasted with stuff in your
homedir you forgot about ;)
well at least this is the case for me ... having a deeper look into my
$HOME/tmp and $HOME/stuff can quickly free some hundred MBs :)

cya,
jonas



For finding those long forgotten things that take up MBs, I've found 
kdirstat (for KDE) to be quite useful.  Helped me free up a few 
gigabytes - all located in my home dir of course. :)


Later,
Micah


x11-fm/xdiskusage
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Re: Sharing data files on a dual-boot machine ...

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John Hoover wrote:

On 9/26/05, Kiffin Gish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I have a dual-boot laptop running on the one hand Windows XP (sorry) and
on the other hand good old FreeBSD.

My question: is it possible to exchange data files between both both
operaing systems in an easy and efficient way?




I don't know if it would be considered the most efficient, but I've got my
Sony GRT100 set up this way. It has worked out well so far.

Three partitions
25GB NTFS (MS XP)
3GB FAT32 (Data sharing)
12GB BSD (FreeBSD)

I'm using FreeBSD's boot manager for selecting the boot partition at
startup.
Best I remember I installed the above by
1) using FreeBSD to partition and install on ad0s3
2) install XP on first partition, format FAT32 partition within XP
(admin tools -> computer management -> disk management)
3) reinstall FreeBSD, installing FreeBSD boot manager

You could add an entry to /etc/fstabs to mount the FAT32 partition on
startup,
I just mounted it by hand if I needed it.

John.
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you don't even need to use fbsd's boot manager. i mean, it works, but it 
doesn't look very well, does it. :)
i prefer either grub or native windows nt/2k/xp boot manager. to use the 
latter, you need something like BootPart 
 to help you load fbsd's boot 
record/sector.


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file name case issue on fat32 (Was: Re: Sharing data files on a dual-boot machine ...)

[martinko]

jonas wrote:

On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:57:28 +0200
Kiffin Gish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



I have a dual-boot laptop running on the one hand Windows XP (sorry)
and on the other hand good old FreeBSD.

My question: is it possible to exchange data files between both both 
operaing systems in an easy and efficient way?


For example, saving all my MP3s on a separate data partition and
playing the same music despite which operating system I am using?

Thanks alot in advance.



hi!

freebsd can mount ntfs read only and with limited writing support
(see 'man mount_ntfs' for details. (should be enough for playing mp3s).
you can create a fat32 partition which freebsd and windows can read and
write, or a ext2fs partition and get a ext2fs driver for windows. i'm
not totally sure, but think freebsd can write ext2fs.

bye,
jonas


hello,

when i mount a fat32 partition some files have different case (see 
below) then in windows. how come ??


e.g.:

$ ll
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel734 Mar  1  2005 a.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel649 Mar 16  2003 A.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   1110 Mar 27  2003 b.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2980 Jun  6 23:46 c.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2475 Mar  1  2005 C.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2563 Jun 10 12:49 d.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2561 Jun 10 12:42 D.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   1015 Jun  7 00:25 e.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel681 Mar 16  2003 E.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel602 Mar 16  2003 f.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel421 Mar 16  2003 g.txt

in windows all the files above have first letter in uppercase, that is 
"A.txt" for instance.


is this a known issue (why??) or am i missing something or what?

regards,

martin

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Re: file name case issue on fat32 (Was: Re: Sharing data files on a dual-boot machine ...)

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Dmitry Mityugov wrote:

On 9/27/05, martinko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...


hello,

when i mount a fat32 partition some files have different case (see
below) then in windows. how come ??

e.g.:

$ ll
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel734 Mar  1  2005 a.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel649 Mar 16  2003 A.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   1110 Mar 27  2003 b.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2980 Jun  6 23:46 c.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2475 Mar  1  2005 C.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2563 Jun 10 12:49 d.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2561 Jun 10 12:42 D.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   1015 Jun  7 00:25 e.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel681 Mar 16  2003 E.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel602 Mar 16  2003 f.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel421 Mar 16  2003 g.txt

in windows all the files above have first letter in uppercase, that is
"A.txt" for instance.

is this a known issue (why??) or am i missing something or what?



Guess this is how FAT32 stores long names. Am I right that you get
such duplicates only for files with names that do not conform the DOS
naming convention? (with names >8 chars, extensions >3 chars, and/or
lower case characters in names/extensions?)



sorry if i didn't make myself clear. -- ALL the file names above should 
have their first letter, and only the first letter, in upper case. 
that's how they were named in windows. but as you can see above, freebsd 
does not show them properly as some of them are shown in lowercase (e.g. 
"a.txt" instead of "A.txt").


why??
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Re: file name case issue on fat32 (Was: Re: Sharing data files on a dual-boot machine ...)

[martinko]

Alex Zbyslaw wrote:

martinko wrote:


Dmitry Mityugov wrote:


On 9/27/05, martinko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...


hello,

when i mount a fat32 partition some files have different case (see
below) then in windows. how come ??

e.g.:

$ ll
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel734 Mar  1  2005 a.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel649 Mar 16  2003 A.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   1110 Mar 27  2003 b.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2980 Jun  6 23:46 c.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2475 Mar  1  2005 C.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2563 Jun 10 12:49 d.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2561 Jun 10 12:42 D.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   1015 Jun  7 00:25 e.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel681 Mar 16  2003 E.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel602 Mar 16  2003 f.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel421 Mar 16  2003 g.txt

in windows all the files above have first letter in uppercase, that is
"A.txt" for instance.





sorry if i didn't make myself clear. -- ALL the file names above 
should have their first letter, and only the first letter, in upper 
case. that's how they were named in windows. but as you can see above, 
freebsd does not show them properly as some of them are shown in 
lowercase (e.g. "a.txt" instead of "A.txt").


why??



Because FAT32 is a case-insensitive file system.  Don't confuse how 
Windows explorer shows you the file name with how the file name is 
actually stored on the file system.


--Alex



ok. unfortunately i forgot most of my knowledge from the old days of 
ms-dos but what i can say even without it is this -- it's not about 
windows explorer only. i can see the correct file names in all 
applications (under windows of course), i believe. and if windows knows 
whether there should be an "A" or "a" then why freebsd cannot?


martin

ps: and, btw, how freebsd knows there's a capital A in "A.txt~" ? 
because it's stored on the filesystem in that way, i guess. being 
case-insensitive doesn't (necessarily)  mean a FS doesn't keep a case, imho.

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Re: Sharing data files on a dual-boot machine ...

[martinko]

Jerry McAllister wrote:

John Hoover wrote:


On 9/26/05, Kiffin Gish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



I have a dual-boot laptop running on the one hand Windows XP (sorry) and
on the other hand good old FreeBSD.

My question: is it possible to exchange data files between both both
operaing systems in an easy and efficient way?




I don't know if it would be considered the most efficient, but I've got my
Sony GRT100 set up this way. It has worked out well so far.

Three partitions
25GB NTFS (MS XP)
3GB FAT32 (Data sharing)
12GB BSD (FreeBSD)

I'm using FreeBSD's boot manager for selecting the boot partition at
startup.
Best I remember I installed the above by
1) using FreeBSD to partition and install on ad0s3
2) install XP on first partition, format FAT32 partition within XP
(admin tools -> computer management -> disk management)
3) reinstall FreeBSD, installing FreeBSD boot manager

You could add an entry to /etc/fstabs to mount the FAT32 partition on
startup,
I just mounted it by hand if I needed it.

John.
-
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you don't even need to use fbsd's boot manager. i mean, it works, but it 
doesn't look very well, does it. :)



It works very well.   It does exactly what it is designed to do
and does it without crashing or skrewing up.
It is not loaded down with a bunch of glitzy features, if that is

what you want.  But, it works well.

jerry



i agree. i was referring to its look, though. no flame.

m:)



i prefer either grub or native windows nt/2k/xp boot manager. to use the 
latter, you need something like BootPart 
 to help you load fbsd's boot 
record/sector.


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Re: file name case issue on fat32 (Was: Re: Sharing data files on a dual-boot machine ...)

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Micah wrote:


The reason is as follows: a.txt is an 8.3 filename and is stored on 
fat32 in the old dos format.  a.txt~ is NOT an 8.3 filename and is 
stored on fat32 in the extended long filename format.  Case information 
is not stored in 8.3's file names.  They're always the same case, but I 
can't remember now if they're stored as upper or lower case.  Extended 
long filenames do store case information, even though windows ignores 
the case (as was pointed out earlier).  FreeBSD is displaying 8.3 names 
as lowercase probably to mimic the tendency of unix filenames to be 
lowercase.  Windows displays 8.3 names as upper case probably to mimic dos.




8.3 filenames are stored in uppercase
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Re: file name case issue on fat32 (Was: Re: Sharing data files on a dual-boot machine ...)

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RW wrote:

On Tuesday 27 September 2005 14:22, martinko wrote:



ok. unfortunately i forgot most of my knowledge from the old days of
ms-dos but what i can say even without it is this -- it's not about
windows explorer only. i can see the correct file names in all
applications (under windows of course), i believe. and if windows knows
whether there should be an "A" or "a" then why freebsd cannot?





Your use of the word "correct" is odd. FreeBSD uses the filename stored on the 
disk - the one put there when the file was created. The display of filename 
case and the case sensitivity of the filesystem are two different issues. The 
real question is why Windows needlessly overides the choices of it's users.

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excuse my english :)

also i tried to make clear i wasn't talking about fs case sensitivity 
but only about the display of filename case.


and my question is simple -- if windows can remember somehow the 
filename case on fat32, why can't freebsd?


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Re: file name case issue on fat32 (Was: Re: Sharing data files on a dual-boot machine ...)

[martinko]

Micah wrote:



RW wrote:


On Tuesday 27 September 2005 15:56, Micah wrote:


The directory structure of fat32 is still the same as from dos.  In
order to create long filenames, Windows uses subsequent directory
entries to store the extra filename characters.  If a filename fits the
8.3 format, Windows (at least Win98) does not bother to create the extra
entries for the long filename record.  If there's no ong filename
record, how can FreeBSD use the long filename?






The files in question are shown as having names like A.txt in windows, 
ie mixed case. The Dos directory command always shows completly 
uppercase names for the 8.3 names


I have plenty of 8.3 files that dos DIR shows as having uppercase 8.3 
names  *and* mixed/lower-case full names. So either dos/windows does 
create the extra-filename for files with an 8.3 name format, or it 
stores the mixed-case name in the legacy 8.3 field in it's  case and 
DIR converts to uppercase.
Either way around the case that is found by FreeBSD should be the same 
as if it were reading a long-filename.  



I did some tests using Win98/qemu and Win2K/real hardware, and diskedit. 
 This appears to be a real bug in how FreeBSD handles byte 12 of an 8.3 
directory entry.  It only shows up in 8.3 filenames created by Win2K 
(and presumably any NT based windows).  Somehow (and I cannot find exact 
details, just passing references) NT stores filename capitalization of 
8.3 names in byte 12 of an 8.3 directory entry, thereby eliminating the 
creation of an LFN (long filename) entry.  FreeBSD doesn't interpret it 
correctly and displays file names in lowercase unless the original name 
was all uppercase letters.  The solution:  always use long filenames 
from an NT based Windows if you care about capitalization.  At least 
until the bug is fixed in FreeBSD.




exactly!

i just did a simple test and created the following on win xp :

w.TXT
X.TXT
Y.txt
z.txt

and this is what freebsd displays:

X.TXT
w.txt
y.txt
z.txt

i think the case is clear.

and what now? whom to report it to?

regards,

martin
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Re: file name case issue on fat32 (Was: Re: Sharing data files on a dual-boot machine ...)

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Micah wrote:

I've found the troubled piece of code, just gotta figure out the best 
way to fix it.  I'll come up with a patch and submit it as a PR I guess. 
(never done either, but I'm sure I'll figure it out. :)


Later,
Micah


thanks, micah!
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Re: portaudit question.....

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Wright Jim Contractor 14MDSS/SGSI wrote:

To keep the story short:

 


I'm using version FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE #6: Thu Aug 25 09:12:43 CDT 2005;
pasted from the dmesg.boot file.

To the best of my knowledge, I'm using CVSup, pkgdb -F, and portupgrade
commands correctly.

But, I'm pretty sure I'm still overlooking and/or leaving something out.

 


I just discovered the portaudit command and ran it against my system.

It comes up with 15 items that need to be upgraded or deinstalled.

For this question I'll use Mozilla.

The version it reports is Mozilla-1.7.7,2.

 


When I go to http://www.freebsd.org/ports/index.html
  and do a search for Mozilla, I
find that Mozilla-1.7.12,2 is the latest (stable) version.

 


I guess my question is this.

How do I use the FreeBSD tools, Ports/Packages, etc, to install this latest
version??

Or am I missing the concept altogether ?

( I understand the process of downloading this latest version and installing
it manually. Just trying to understand and use the FreeBSD tools )

 


Thanks for any and all help,

Jim Wright

Columbus, Mississippi

28 Sep 2005



jim,

i recommend using portsnap instead of cvsup, especially if you update 
your ports tree often. then use portversion instead of pkg_version, it's 
much faster. and always and periodically run portaudit. you don't need 
your ports tree to be updated for portaudit to be effective, btw.


so based on what i said, here's a procedure to follow:

/usr/local/sbin/portsnap fetch
/usr/local/sbin/portsnap update
/usr/local/sbin/portversion -v -l "<"
/usr/local/sbin/portaudit -Fda

hope that helps.

regards,

martin

ps: regarding mozilla, if it's not packaged on freebsd's ftp server 
(that is pkg_add doesn't help), you've got to install it from ports 
(that is to compile it).


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Re: How often cvsup the ports?

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Colin Percival wrote:

Andrew P. wrote:


On 10/6/05, Mikael Backman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I use Portupgrade to install apps every now and then.
How often should I cvsup the ports?


If you like being up-to-date, you should consider
using portsnap, which is much more efficient than
cvsup. You can update every other couple of hours
then - and you'll probably waste less bandwidth
in a week than you would with cvsup in one run.



Portsnap certainly is more efficient than cvsup for
frequent updating, but for most people, updating the
ports tree every 2 hours is rather pointless.  On my
6.0-beta systems, I have a nightly cron job which runs

  portsnap -I cron update && pkg_version -vIL=



colin,
what is this "I" parameter to pkg_version supposed to be?
i don't seem to have it here on 5.4R.
cheers,
martin


which downloads updates, builds new ports INDEX files,
and emails me a list of installed packages which are
out of date.

When I get such an email, I log into the system and run

  portsnap update && portupgrade -a

which updates the ports tree and rebuilds the installed
packages which are out of date.

Between FreeBSD Update, portsnap, and portupgrade, I
doubt I spend more than half an hour per month keeping
each system up to date.

Colin Percival


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Re: Samba or something more lightweight ...

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Kiffin Gish wrote:

I want to be able to access other Windows machines on my home network,
e.g. exchange files back and forth using shared folders.

Do I need to install Samba or is there another more lightweight
alternative?

Thanks alot in advance?



i guess samba client (samba-libsmbclient) should be enough for accessing 
windows shares.


m.

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Re: How often cvsup the ports?

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Colin Percival wrote:

martinko wrote:


Colin Percival wrote:


 portsnap -I cron update && pkg_version -vIL=


what is this "I" parameter to pkg_version supposed to be?
i don't seem to have it here on 5.4R.



It's a new flag in 6.0R; it means "just use the INDEX, you stupid
program".  ;-)

Without that flag, pkg_version tries to be intelligent -- it will
go into each port directory and run "/usr/bin/make -V PKGNAME" in
order to work out exactly what version of the port is in the tree,
and will only use the INDEX if that fails.

Unfortunately, running make(1) repeatedly makes pkg_version about
50 times slower than if it just uses the INDEX file; so if you know
that the INDEX is up to date (which will be the case if you use
portsnap), the -I option makes pkg_version much faster.

Colin Percival


many thanks for your explanation and many thanks for the new functionality!

m:)

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configuring network connection via proxy

[martinko]

Hello,

I need to plug my company laptop in to different networks many of which
make use of some sort of proxy for accessing the internet.  And every
time I face this challenge of changing connection settings of different
applications in many places.  This is of course very inconvenient.

What I would like to be able to do is to change the connection settings
regarding a proxy in one place and have it affect all my applications.
Something like one can do in MS Windows via Internet Options
(configuring proxy access).  I checked our otherwise great Handbook but
failed to find something covering this scenario.  And I'm surprised as I
expect this to be a rather common need.  Have I missed something ?
Could someone point me to any article covering my need please ?

TIA,

Martin

PS: Yes, I tried to google for this but I wasn't successful or perhaps I
just asked wrong questions. :(

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mounting fusefs via /etc/fstab

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Hallo,

At the bottom of  there's an example 
of using FUSE via /etc/fstab.  It is for Linux.
I wonder whether the same thing can be achieved on FreeBSD somehow as it 
would be very useful.


With regards,

Martin

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cannot log in via console, cannot su(1), only as root

[martinko]

hello list,

i was updating sw configuration of my old computer and towards the end i 
noticed i couldn't log in on local console other than root.  i tried 
remote ssh using public keys which worked but i found out su(1) to any 
user except root does not work either.  i've no idea how i could 
possibly manage to "break" my system like this and unfortunately i need 
to fix it by tomorrow.  therefore i would really appreciate your prompt 
hints as what to check etc.


many thanks in advance !!

martin

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Re: cannot log in via console, cannot su(1), only as root

[martinko]

martinko wrote:

hello list,

i was updating sw configuration of my old computer and towards the end i 
noticed i couldn't log in on local console other than root.  i tried 
remote ssh using public keys which worked but i found out su(1) to any 
user except root does not work either.  i've no idea how i could 
possibly manage to "break" my system like this and unfortunately i need 
to fix it by tomorrow.  therefore i would really appreciate your prompt 
hints as what to check etc.




some more details follow ...

upgrade from 6.0-R to 6.2-R
everything went ok ..
i was doing changes in /etc based on my other computer settings
i was working via ssh(1), therefore i haven't noticed when logging on 
console stopped working.


what works:
log in via ssh(1) using public/private keys
log in on local console as root
su(1) to root

what doesn't work:
log in via ssh(1) using password
log in on local console as a normal user
su(1) to a normal user (it even doesn't ask for password a throws "sorry")

besides, as root i'm able to change passwords via passwd(1), but it 
doesn't help and a normal user cannot change their own password (old 
password check would fail).


i ran vipw(8) and it doesn't seem to me there's something wrong with my 
files.


any hints pls ??

m.

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re: procfs in 5.4

[martinko]

hi,

i've been wondering long time what's the actual state of procfs in freebsd.

yes, i added procfs line to fstab but i do not mount it automatically at
system startup.
yet i'm still able to use ps(1) unlike the originator of this thread.
how come?

i believe i've read somewhere that (use of) procfs was dropped or
something and freebsd does not use it anymore. if so, i'm asking why and
then why did the originator of this thread have problem running ps(1)
without procfs mounted?

many thanks for clearing this.

regards,

martin

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Re: a favorite graphical ftp client?

[martinko]

Jonathan Horne wrote:
> On Sunday 16 April 2006 20:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>>>i would like to ask the list for opinions on a good graphical ftp client
>>
>>for a
>>
>>
>>>freebsd desktop.  before i try them all, id like to get a few
>>>recomendations :)
>>
>>gftp is quite nice imho --> http://gftp.seul.org/
> 
> 
> sorry, i should have mentioned i use KDE.  will gftp be any trouble to 
> compile, or is it going to pull down the entire gnome to go with it?  im 
> really looking for something that works well under KDE.
> 

afair, gftp can be compiled against gtk2 or gtk1 or even text mode. and
no, it doesn't need "the entire gnome".

m:)

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Re: top for tcpdump

[martinko]

Dan Nelson wrote:

In the last episode (Apr 20), Low Kian Seong said:

Hmmm the port for trafshow seems unable to fetch the tgz file ?

Probably need to ammend to point it here :

http://www.mirrors.wiretapped.net/security/network-monitoring/trafshow/ ?


I was able to download it just fine:

([EMAIL PROTECTED]) /usr/ports/net/trafshow> make fetch
=> trafshow-5.2.3.tgz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/.
=> Attempting to fetch from ftp://ftp.nsk.su/pub/RinetSoftware/.
trafshow-5.2.3.tgz100% of  139 kB   13 kBps 00m00s

Extra mirror locations never hurt, though.



doesn't work here and now either :-(

=> trafshow-5.2.3.tgz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/.
=> Attempting to fetch from ftp://ftp.nsk.su/pub/RinetSoftware/.
fetch: ftp://ftp.nsk.su/pub/RinetSoftware/trafshow-5.2.3.tgz: Not logged in
=> Attempting to fetch from 
ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/.
fetch: 
ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/trafshow-5.2.3.tgz: 
File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access)

=> Couldn't fetch it - please try to retrieve this
=> port manually into /usr/ports/distfiles/ and try again.
*** Error code 1

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Re: port building & linking

[martinko]

Andrew Pantyukhin wrote:

On 4/21/06, ph rhole oper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I need to build a port (mail/cyrus-imapd23) and add support for the
mit-kerberos implementation to it.
It needs to link to the -lkrb5 library.There are two libkrb5*.so in my
system:
the heimdal one (/usr/lib/libkrb5*.so) and the mit one
(/usr/local/lib/libkrb5*.so).
The configure script, searching for -lkrb5, finds /usr/lib/libkrb5.so
first, and links to the heimdal implementation.
Is there any way i can force it to only link against
/usr/local/lib/libkrb5.so?I need the mit implementation.


simon.

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Are you talking about cyrus-imapd or cyrus-sasl? cyrus-sasl
has some options in its Makefile, like KRB5_HOME.
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speaking of cyrus, i've recently spotted new entry in my passwd and have 
been wondering where/when did it get there.. ??

of course i don't know of installing anything called cyrus..

m.
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Re: Remote screen control software - recommendations please

[martinko]

Graham Bentley wrote:

Thanks for all the suggestions on this. Perhaps I should have worded
my question better (well, maybe not on a FreeBSD list ;)

I am looking to control Windogs (yuk!) Desktops remotely (and as
secure as possible - lol !)

Thanks




i also used tightvnc and run it through an ssh tunnel from fbsd to 
win2k. if you play with parameters it's quite responsive imho.
other than that, i would go for nx, but you need a unix/linux proxy 
sever as you can't connect directly to windows. check their website for 
explanation and more info or use google to find more articles..


martin

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seamonkey issue -- theme switching

[martinko]

hello!

i've just upgraded from mozilla (1.7.12) to seamonkey (1.0.1) and 
unfortunately run into the following issue:


theme change does not last for longer than 1 restart -- i change the 
theme (to pinball theme ), restart 
seamonkey as suggested, new theme is being used but after another 
restart of seamonkey i'm back with the previous or original (?) 
seamonkey theme (modern).


/note that i'm running seamonkey on freebsd 6.1-rc, after just 
reinstalling all my ports from scratch but keeping my old mozilla profile./


any thoughts or suggestions pls ??

cheers,

martin
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Re: port building & linking

[martinko]

Reko Turja wrote:
speaking of cyrus, i've recently spotted new entry in my passwd and 
have been wondering where/when did it get there.. ??

of course i don't know of installing anything called cyrus..



If you have installed CMU sasl, that does add "cyrus" user as  well.

-Reko







i'm not aware of it. it might have been installed as a dependency, 
though, i guess.


cheers,

m.
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Re: port building & linking

[martinko]

martinko wrote:

Reko Turja wrote:
speaking of cyrus, i've recently spotted new entry in my passwd and 
have been wondering where/when did it get there.. ??

of course i don't know of installing anything called cyrus..



If you have installed CMU sasl, that does add "cyrus" user as  well.

-Reko







i'm not aware of it. it might have been installed as a dependency, 
though, i guess.


cheers,

m.



aahh.. mail-notification is the culprit ;-)
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X11 6.9 issue -- options "AGPMode" and "AGPFastWrite"

[martinko]

hello list!

i've just upgraded X11 from 6.8.2 to 6.9.0 and run into the following issue:

after starting x11 for the first time the screen went black and console 
was inaccessible (i had to reboot). when i tried the generated xorg.conf 
(`Xorg -configure`) it worked. so i started comparing my old config file 
with the new one and found out that the following two options i had been 
using are the root of the problem:

Option  "AGPMode" "4"   # ++ 2005-02-11 mato
Option  "AGPFastWrite" # ++ 2005-02-11 mato
they just cannot be set both at the same time now.
and i wonder why.
and also i wonder which one to comment out and which one to keep (if any 
at all).


note that i'm running freebsd 6.1-rc, after just reinstalling all my 
ports from scratch. for details on my graphics card pls see below.


any thoughts or suggestions pls ??

cheers,

martin

--

$ grep -i radeon /var/log/Xorg.0.log
(--) PCI:*(1:0:0) ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] 
rev 0, Mem @ 0xd000/27, 0xff8f/16, I/O @ 0xc800/8, BIOS @ 
0xff8c/17

(II) RADEON: Driver for ATI Radeon chipsets: ATI Radeon QD (AGP),
ATI Radeon QE (AGP), ATI Radeon QF (AGP), ATI Radeon QG (AGP),
ATI Radeon VE/7000 QY (AGP/PCI), ATI Radeon VE/7000 QZ (AGP/PCI),
ATI Radeon Mobility M7 LW (AGP),
ATI Radeon Mobility M6 LY (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility M6 LZ (AGP),
ATI Radeon IGP320 (A3) 4136, ATI Radeon IGP320M (U1) 4336,
ATI Radeon IGP330/340/350 (A4) 4137,
ATI Radeon IGP330M/340M/350M (U2) 4337,
ATI Radeon 7000 IGP (A4+) 4237, ATI Radeon Mobility 7000 IGP 4437,
ATI FireGL 8700/8800 QH (AGP), ATI Radeon 8500 QL (AGP),
ATI Radeon 9100 QM (AGP), ATI Radeon 8500 AIW BB (AGP),
ATI Radeon 8500 AIW BC (AGP), ATI Radeon 7500 QW (AGP/PCI),
ATI Radeon 7500 QX (AGP/PCI), ATI Radeon 9000/PRO If (AGP/PCI),
ATI Radeon 9000 Ig (AGP/PCI), ATI FireGL Mobility 9000 (M9) Ld (AGP),
ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 (M9) Lf (AGP),
ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 (M9) Lg (AGP),
ATI Radeon 9100 IGP (A5) 5834,
ATI Radeon Mobility 9100 IGP (U3) 5835, ATI Radeon 9100 PRO IGP 7834,
ATI Radeon Mobility 9200 IGP 7835, ATI Radeon 9200PRO 5960 (AGP),
ATI Radeon 9200 5961 (AGP), ATI Radeon 9200 5962 (AGP),
ATI Radeon 9200SE 5964 (AGP), ATI FireMV 2200 (PCI),
ATI Radeon Mobility 9200 (M9+) 5C61 (AGP),
ATI Radeon Mobility 9200 (M9+) 5C63 (AGP), ATI Radeon 9500 AD (AGP),
ATI Radeon 9500 AE (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600TX AF (AGP),
ATI FireGL Z1 AG (AGP), ATI Radeon 9700 Pro ND (AGP),
ATI Radeon 9700/9500Pro NE (AGP), ATI Radeon 9700 NF (AGP),
ATI FireGL X1 NG (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600 AP (AGP),
ATI Radeon 9600SE AQ (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600XT AR (AGP),
ATI Radeon 9600 AS (AGP), ATI FireGL T2 AT (AGP),
ATI Radeon Mobility 9600/9700 (M10/M11) NP (AGP),
ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M10) NQ (AGP),
ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M11) NR (AGP),
ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M10) NS (AGP),
ATI FireGL Mobility T2e (M11) NV (AGP), ATI Radeon 9650,
ATI Radeon 9800SE AH (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800 AI (AGP),
ATI Radeon 9800 AJ (AGP), ATI FireGL X2 AK (AGP),
ATI Radeon 9800PRO NH (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800 NI (AGP),
ATI FireGL X2 NK (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800XT NJ (AGP),
ATI Radeon X600 (RV380) 3E50 (PCIE),
ATI Radeon Mobility X600 (M24) 3150 (PCIE),
ATI FireGL M24 GL 3154 (PCIE), ATI Radeon X300 (RV370) 5B60 (PCIE),
ATI Radeon X600 (RV370) 5B62 (PCIE),
ATI Radeon Mobility M300 (M22) 5460 (PCIE),
ATI FireGL M22 GL 5464 (PCIE), ATI Radeon XPRESS 200 5A41 (PCIE),
ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M 5A42 (PCIE),
ATI Radeon XPRESS 200 5A61 (PCIE),
ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M 5A62 (PCIE),
ATI Radeon XPRESS 200 5954 (PCIE),
ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M 5955 (PCIE),
ATI Radeon XPRESS 200 5974 (PCIE),
ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M 5975 (PCIE), ATI FireGL V5000 (RV410) (PCIE),
ATI Mobility Radeon X700 (M26) (PCIE),
ATI Mobility Radeon X700 (M26) (PCIE),
ATI Radeon X700 PRO (RV410) (PCIE),
ATI Radeon X700 XT (RV410) (PCIE), ATI Radeon X700 (RV410) (PCIE),
ATI Radeon X700 SE (RV410) (PCIE), ATI Radeon X700 SE (RV410) (PCIE),
ATI Radeon X800 (R420) JH (AGP), ATI Radeon X800PRO (R420) JI (AGP),
ATI Radeon X800SE (R420) JJ (AGP), ATI Radeon X800 (R420) JK (AGP),
ATI Radeon X800 (R420) JL (AGP), ATI FireGL X3 (R420) JM (AGP),
ATI Radeon Mobility 9800 (M18) JN (AGP),
ATI Radeon X800XT (R420) JP (AGP), ATI Radeon X800 SE (R420) (AGP),
ATI Radeon X800 (R423) UH (PCIE),
ATI Radeon X800PRO (R423) UI (PCIE),
ATI Radeon X800LE (R423) UJ (PCIE),
ATI Radeon X800SE (R423) UK (PCIE),
ATI Radeon X800XT (R423) 5D57 (PCIE), ATI FireGL V7100 (R423) (PCIE),

X11 6.9 issue -- option "ZAxisMapping" -- "4 5" vs "4 5 6 7"

[martinko]

hello list!

i've just upgraded X11 from 6.8.2 to 6.9.0 and run into the following issue:

[note that this was first noticed in seamonkey..]

if i scroll my mouse wheel too fast, i'm suddenly moving in history
instead of scrolling the page. one quick finger movement is enough to
trigger this. very annoying.

so it seems to me that the events are interpreted as horizontal 
movements. i have 1-wheel mouse of the following type, though:


kernel: ums0: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse, rev 2.00/11.10, addr 2, 
iclass 3/1

kernel: ums0: 3 buttons and Z dir.

and i found out that the new option introduced in X11 6.9 broke it:

Option  "Protocol" "auto"
Option  "Device" "/dev/sysmouse"
Option  "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"# ++ 2005-01-18 mato
#Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"#!!!

the first version (3rd line) was added manually by me long time ago, 
while the 2nd version (4th line) was automatically generated by new X11 
with `Xorg -configure`.
since i reverted it from "4 5 6 7" back to "4 5" scrolling just works 
again like charm.


note that i'm running freebsd 6.1-rc, after just reinstalling all my
ports from scratch.

any thoughts or suggestions pls ??

cheers,

martin

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X11 6.9 issue -- option "XkbOptions" and missing keyboard layout

[martinko]

hello list!

i've just upgraded X11 from 6.8.2 to 6.9.0 and after starting up X11 it 
displays a message saying that xkbcomp reports that it cannot find file 
"pc/sk_qwerty". and therefore it reverts back to "default" or something.


this is very strange because i've been using the setting since X11 6.7. 
it seems the file is missing in the latest X11. (?)


note that when it fails i can't, for instance, switch to console via 
ctrl+alt+F?.


here is the setting in question from my xorg.conf:
Option  "XkbLayout" "us,sk_qwerty"  # ++ 2005-03-13 mato

note that i'm running freebsd 6.1-rc, after just reinstalling all my
ports from scratch.

any thoughts or suggestions pls ??

cheers,

martin

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Re: X11 6.9 issue -- option "XkbOptions" and missing keyboard layout

[martinko]

Dejan Lesjak wrote:
> On Monday 08 May 2006 02:34, martinko wrote:
>   
>> hello list!
>>
>> i've just upgraded X11 from 6.8.2 to 6.9.0 and after starting up X11 it
>> displays a message saying that xkbcomp reports that it cannot find file
>> "pc/sk_qwerty". and therefore it reverts back to "default" or something.
>>
>> this is very strange because i've been using the setting since X11 6.7.
>> it seems the file is missing in the latest X11. (?)
>>
>> note that when it fails i can't, for instance, switch to console via
>> ctrl+alt+F?.
>>
>> here is the setting in question from my xorg.conf:
>>  Option  "XkbLayout" "us,sk_qwerty"  # ++ 2005-03-13 mato
>> 
>
> Try
>   Option  "XkbLayout" "us,sk(qwerty)"
>
>
> Dejan
>   

dejan, thanks, that seems to work! :-))
i haven't noticed it mentioned anywhere, though. :(

the other issue i've just noticed is that my keyboard layout switching
doesn't work as it used to. this is my setting i've been using:
Option  "XkbOptions" "grp:shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll,compose:ralt"

note that i checked your previous advice in gnome via its panel. led was
turned on. so the problem is with "grp:shift_toggle" only.

any advice on this one pls ??

cheers,

martin
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seamonkey -- building calendar (option)

[martinko]

hello!

i've just upgraded from mozilla (1.7.12) to seamonkey (1.0.1) and
discovered the following issue:

there's WITH_CALENDAR make switch in the port which is/was supposed to
turn building of mozilla with calendar module. i've been happily using
it with mozilla suite. the switch is still in seamonkey's makefile but i
haven't got calendar module after compilation of the port. :-(

/note that i'm running seamonkey on freebsd 6.1-rc, after just
reinstalling all my ports from scratch./

any thoughts or suggestions pls ??

cheers,

martin

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Re: X11 6.9 issue -- option "ZAxisMapping" -- "4 5" vs "4 5 6 7"

[martinko]

Robert Huff wrote:
> martinko writes:
> 
>>  i've just upgraded X11 from 6.8.2 to 6.9.0 and run into the
>>  following issue:
> 
>   I have had this:
> 
>>  if i scroll my mouse wheel too fast, i'm suddenly moving in history
>>  instead of scrolling the page. one quick finger movement is enough to
>>  trigger this. very annoying.
> 
>   happen for over a year using:
> 
> huff@>> usbdevs -v
> 
>   port 2 addr 3: low speed, power 100 mA, config 1, Microsoft
> IntelliMouse® Explorer(0x0095), Microsoft(0x045e), rev 4.24 
> 
>   and XF86Config:
> 
> Section "InputDevice"
>  Identifier  "Mouse0"
>  Driver  "mouse"
>  Option  "Device" "/dev/sysmouse"
>  Option  "Protocol" "auto"
>  Option  "Buttons" "7"
>  Option  "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
>  Option  "Emulate3Buttons"
>  Option  "ChordMiddle"
> EndSection
> 
> 
>   Robert Huff
> 


robert, i'm not sure i got it.
do your options fix the issue pls?

and, as i couldn't find them in xorg.conf(5), what do "Buttons" and
"ChordMiddle" do ??

cheers,

martin

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Re: Writing to a mounted NTFS drive

[martinko]

Kevin Kinsey wrote:
> GiL A. Virtucio wrote:
>> Hi, I have a mounted an NTFS partition that is set as "rw" in fstab. I
>> can
>> read the data stored  in the drive but I cannot store new files on that
>> drive. Anybody here encountered this before? Or can anybody please
>> suggest a way to make that drive writable?
>>
> 
> Yes; I imagine that *everybody* who has tried this has encountered
> this (or something similar) before...
> 
> If you RTF(riendly ;-)M, you'll see this:
> 
> --
> WRITING
>  There is limited writing ability.  Limitations:
> file must be nonresident and must not contain any sparces
> (uninitialized areas); compressed files are also not supported.
> The file name must not contain multibyte characters.
> --
> 
> A port exists (ntfsprogs) that *might* write NTFS a
> tad better, but I'm not sure that it's at all guaranteed.
> I'm certainly not going to do so ;-)
> 
> IIRC, when you look up "proprietary" at Wikipedia, NTFS
> is a synonym. :-D
> 
> Kevin Kinsey
> 

quite interesting.. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/

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Re: seamonkey -- building calendar (option)

[martinko]

Garrett Cooper wrote:
> 
> 
> martinko wrote:
>> hello!
>>
>> i've just upgraded from mozilla (1.7.12) to seamonkey (1.0.1) and
>> discovered the following issue:
>>
>> there's WITH_CALENDAR make switch in the port which is/was supposed to
>> turn building of mozilla with calendar module. i've been happily using
>> it with mozilla suite. the switch is still in seamonkey's makefile but i
>> haven't got calendar module after compilation of the port. :-(
>>
>> /note that i'm running seamonkey on freebsd 6.1-rc, after just
>> reinstalling all my ports from scratch./
>>
>> any thoughts or suggestions pls ??
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> martin
>>   
>For now you can just download the extension from Mozilla's site
> <http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/>.
> -Garrett


garrett, have you actually tried it pls ?
i'm asking because, on my work laptop running winxp, i upgraded from
mozilla to seamonkey and therefore i had to upgrade calendar extension
too, at which point i found out it is not functional at all (and
eventually i had to reinstall seamonkey to get rid of it).

m.

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Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org

[martinko]

Ceri Davies wrote:
> On 9/5/06 15:57, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> At 07:01 AM 5/9/2006, you wrote:
>>> I have to agree with the original poster. The logo is crap, and so
>>> is the font they've started to use since the announcement of
>>> FreeBSD6.1-RELEASE. At
>> Me Too.  At first I thought it was just a petty complaint.
>>
>> But if you're trying to "sell" FreeBSD to a boss or customer, a
>> serious, business-like web site surely helps.  The new one seems to
>> borrow too much from the "hax0r" community's appearance.
>>
>> And the font overflows and looks like complete shit on my
>> browser;  usually this would just be blamed on using a "Non Microsoft
>> Browser" (FireFox on windoze) but until we have IE for FBSD, it seems
>> a legit complaint.
> 
> The font overflows?  We didn't change the font.
> 
> Ceri

well, i would expect the page to scale somehow better when i try to
increase font size in mozilla. but if it can't even render properly when
i choose "officially" via "large" text size option right on the page,
then i must conclude it's not good and not ready for the public. :-(

martin

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Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org

[martinko]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/05/2006 11:42:17:
> 
>> hi,
>>
>> On 5/9/06, Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Then take this to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  It's just flame bait here.
>> I don't want a chat, I want to know where I can find out how we ended
>> up with such a terrible logo.  It seems people think it's a big joke? 
>> The new logo already looks dated, and will only get worse with time.
>>
>  
> This happened ages ago and was announced in the news section of the 
> website
> 
> See - http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/
> 
> John

it was only announced after the selection was over. freebsd users were
not involved. this is not right. :-(
also, the other entries were not published. so we can't really compare.
it seems like the whole thing was intended to be quiet and public was
just left out of the process.

martin

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Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org

[martinko]

Ceri Davies wrote:
> On 10/5/06 23:37, "martinko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> Ceri Davies wrote:
>> 
>>> On 9/5/06 15:57, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>> At 07:01 AM 5/9/2006, you wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I have to agree with the original poster. The logo is crap, and so
>>>>> is the font they've started to use since the announcement of
>>>>> FreeBSD6.1-RELEASE. At
>>>>>   
>>>> Me Too.  At first I thought it was just a petty complaint.
>>>>
>>>> But if you're trying to "sell" FreeBSD to a boss or customer, a
>>>> serious, business-like web site surely helps.  The new one seems to
>>>> borrow too much from the "hax0r" community's appearance.
>>>>
>>>> And the font overflows and looks like complete shit on my
>>>> browser;  usually this would just be blamed on using a "Non Microsoft
>>>> Browser" (FireFox on windoze) but until we have IE for FBSD, it seems
>>>> a legit complaint.
>>>> 
>>> The font overflows?  We didn't change the font.
>>>
>>> Ceri
>>>   
>> well, i would expect the page to scale somehow better when i try to
>> increase font size in mozilla. but if it can't even render properly when
>> i choose "officially" via "large" text size option right on the page,
>> then i must conclude it's not good and not ready for the public. :-(
>> 
>
> That's an issue for www@ -> over there.  It also has nothing to do with the
> logo.
>
> Ceri
>   

sure, i was replying on rendering issue ("font overflows").
anyway, i'm sending this to www@ as you suggested.

martin
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Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org

[martinko]

Bill Moran wrote:
> On Wed, 10 May 2006 13:49:20 +
> "Kep Woof" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
>> Take a look at the netbsd logo if you want to see how it's done.  It
>> means something.  It's neat.  It represents the project.  What we (the
>> users) seem to have ended up with is a fussy and unelegent logo that
>> has nothing to do with anythin, save for a pair of post-modern ice
>> cream cones harking back to beastie.
> 
> My brother went to school for graphic arts.  When the contest was
> announced, we spend _several_weeks_ brainstorming, he and I, trying
> to come up with something that looked as cool as the NetBSD logo, while
> representing FreeBSD.
> 
> We finally gave up without making a submission.  The problem is that
> NetBSD (and OpenBSD as well, for that matter) somehow have more culture
> to them on the graphic arts side.  NetBSD has long had the image of
> daemons raising the flag (mirroring the WWII photograph) which
> translated nicely into a logo.  OpenBSD has long had the Blowfish,
> which can be rendered a number of interesting ways.
> 
> And FreeBSD has what?  The Beastie ... but the Beastie is *BSD in
> general, so what else is there ... ?
> 
>> The simple fact is, when you look at the new logo it only makes sense
>> if you previously understand what it represents.  The effect is that
>> it represents nothing in particular, which is why it fails so
>> fantasically.  What are the key values of FreeBSD?  I'd guess
>> something like Freedom, Stability, Robustness, quality.  Those values
>> are not communicated in the new logo, and I think that's something
>> that somebody with freebsd.org in their email address should seriously
>> address.
> 
> You're exactly right.  Somebody other than you should take care of this.
> This is everyone's fault but yours.  If you'd been in the loop from the
> start, this never would have happened.  My goodness, why didn't we
> consult you earlier ... you obviously have all the answers.
> 
> This is free software man, if you don't like it, fix it
> yourself.  If you can't fix it, _ask_ someone else, or put up some
> cash to pay someone who can.  But quit whining.
> 
> You are a Troll.  If you weren't a Troll, you'd have taken this to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of staying on this
> list.

bill, i'm afraid, this is not quite true.
as for me, for instance, i had some objections and comments on logo and
font as originally published. but i didn't get any serious responses on
mailing lists. later i tried to get in touch with the creator and/or
responsible people but to no avail.
clearly, in this case it hasn't been easy for community to reach the
right people nor it has been easy to influence the whole selection and
stuff.

m:(

> 
> Go use Microsoft, they pay professional graphic artists big bucks to
> design their logos and their marketing materials, and you fund that
> with your Windows license fees.
> 
> Or, _contribute_ something back to the wonderful free software
> community other than a lengthy email thread of whining.
> 

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Re: X11 6.9 issue -- options "AGPMode" and "AGPFastWrite"

[martinko]

Eric Anholt wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-05-07 at 21:51 +0200, martinko wrote: 
>> hello list!
>>
>> i've just upgraded X11 from 6.8.2 to 6.9.0 and run into the following issue:
>>
>> after starting x11 for the first time the screen went black and console 
>> was inaccessible (i had to reboot). when i tried the generated xorg.conf 
>> (`Xorg -configure`) it worked. so i started comparing my old config file 
>> with the new one and found out that the following two options i had been 
>> using are the root of the problem:
>>  Option  "AGPMode" "4"   # ++ 2005-02-11 mato
>>  Option  "AGPFastWrite" # ++ 2005-02-11 mato
>> they just cannot be set both at the same time now.
>> and i wonder why.
>> and also i wonder which one to comment out and which one to keep (if any 
>> at all).
> 
> Comment them both out and live a happier life with a more stable
> computer.  In my testing (and as far as I know, I'm the only one who has
> done performance comparisons with AGPMode), AGPMode 4 provided no
> meaningful performance improvement except under contrived circumstances.
> AGPFastWrite is the most unstable option ever, and I couldn't benchmark
> because it crashes.  We've threatened to just disconnect these options
> upstream and not tell anyone, because they're that harmful but people
> seem to think they're secret performance sauce that the developers don't
> want to give them.
> 


eric, thank you!

could i take this opportunity and ask you about 2 other options i've
been using? -- EnablePageFlip and DynamicClocks -- are they safe/useful?

cheers,

martin

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how to identify / list running java applications ?

[martinko]

hello,

when running azureus (or likely other java applications) all one can see
among running processes is java process which i expect is jvm.
how can i find/identify running java programs ?? (something like `ps ax
| grep azureus` or `pgrep azureus`)

cheers,

martin

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looking for torsmo program replacement

[martinko]

hello ppl,

i had been using sysutils/torsmo happily until i upgraded xorg to 6.9.
since then torsmo is not functioning properly, usually after a few
minutes its window output looses text and most graphics etc. maybe xorg
is not the (only) reason but as i upgraded all my ports after longer
time it's hard to say. (actually i've seen this behaviour on gentoo
since long long time ago.)

so my question is what are the (similar) alternatives to torsmo pls ??

cheers,

martin

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Re: looking for torsmo program replacement

[martinko]

Jimmie James wrote:
>> i had been using sysutils/torsmo happily until i upgraded xorg to 6.9.
>> since then torsmo is not functioning properly, usually after a few
>> minutes its window output looses text and most graphics etc. maybe xorg
>> is not the (only) reason but as i upgraded all my ports after longer
> t>ime it's hard to say. (actually i've seen this behaviour on gentoo
>> since long long time ago.)
>
>> so my question is what are the (similar) alternatives to torsmo pls ??
>
>> cheers,
>
>> martin
>
> Conky, it's almost excatly like torsmo, and works with Xorg/XFCE4
> easy, not searching for rootwindow ID.
>
> #cat /usr/ports/sysutils/conky/pkg-descr
> Conky is an advanced, highly configurable system monitor for X
>
> WWW:http://conky.sourceforge.net/
>
>
>
>
>

thanks!
i've just installed it and it run w/o config file but since i copied the
sample config file to ~/.conkyrc it crashes with segmentation fault. :-(
i'll try to investigate tmrw or so what options if any makes it unhappy.
the crash shouldn't happen, though, of course.
m.
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mozilla / seamonkey -- unable to install forecastfox for a regular user

[martinko]

hello!

since i discovered forecastfox extension i've been trying and unable to
install it on freebsd.  i've tried many times different versions of
mozilla suite and seamonkey now but to no avail.  i can install it for
root if the browser is run by root but when i try to install it as a
regular user the installation is canceled sometime in the end (that is
the extension is downloaded, maybe installation begin and then a window
displays a message saying installation canceled).  this has been the
case since freebsd 5.3 or 5.4, now i'm running 6.1.

does someone know how to solve this pls ??
any other thoughts or suggestions pls ??

cheers,

martin

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