Re: defend from -> :() { :&:; } ;:

[Mike Jeays]

On October 22, 2007 12:44:18 pm Martin Tournoij wrote:
> On Sun 21 Oct 2007 12:10, Danielisz Laszlo wrote:
> > Please do not try to execute this: :() { :&:; } ;: on your BSD machine.
> > I ask all who already tried it how to defend from this?
>
> Wow,, my machine just crashed :-/
> Does in this work on other OS's as well (ie. GNU/Linux)? Or just
> (Free?)BSD? I really don't feel like crashing another machine right
> now...
>
> Only works in sh, not in csh.
>
> Anyway, this seems to be security/stability issue, maybe a PR is in
> order?
>
> Regards,
> Martin Tournoij
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Yes, it brought down my Ubuntu 7.10 system pretty well immediately.  I had to 
reboot.




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Re: Is it difficult to move from Linux?

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On October 22, 2007 02:33:57 pm Donovan R. Palmer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have been using Linux for over 10 years, but have for a number of reasons
> become very interested in learning to use FreeBSD. Are there any ex or
> current Linux users here and could you tell me how hard it is to make the
> shift from Linux?  Is there anything in particular which has been written
> which would be useful to read?
>
> T.I.A.
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I think it is a very easy shift.  It doesn't take long to learn that the file 
structure is a bit different - as an easy example, many things in /usr/bin in 
Linux are in /usr/local/bin in FreeBSD.  The FreeBSD Handbook is a superb 
resource, bringing everything together in a single document.  For a system 
running KDE or GNOME, it is hard to tell the difference.  The software 
installation system (source-based ports or binary packages) are about as easy 
to use as apt-get or its equivalents.



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Re: defend from -> :() { :&:; } ;:

[Mike Jeays]

On October 22, 2007 03:58:35 pm Rolf G Nielsen wrote:
> Danielisz Laszlo wrote:
> > Please do not try to execute this: :() { :&:; } ;: on your BSD machine.
> > I ask all who already tried it how to defend from this?
> >
> >
> >
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> What does it do?

It is easier to understand when you replace the ":" by a more conventional 
subroutine name.

myproc () {
  myproc &
  myproc
}

myproc

It recursively generates useless processes that clog up the machine. Mine 
ground to a halt and froze after a few seconds.




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Re: Help with Cron pleazzzzzzzzzzzz

[Mike Jeays]

On October 31, 2007 07:58:21 am VeeJay wrote:
> Hello Gurus….
>
>
>
> I am running a status script written in Perl (*status.pl*) and want to have
> it *Always Running*.
>
>
>
> How can I check through CRON that "status.pl" is running and if NO, then
> start the script execution again?
>
>
>
> Please help and advise…
>
>
>
> With a bundle of thanks!

You could write a shell script something like:

#!/bin/bash
ps -ax | grep 'status.pl'
if [ $q -eq 0 ]
then
  status.pl
fi

grep will return zero if it finds a line containing 'status.pl', and 1 
otherwise.

in crontab, use

* * * * * /full/path/to/script-above

and it will check every minute.

But a better fix would be to find the bug in status.pl that makes it crash!




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Re: pdf edit again.

[Mike Jeays]

On November 3, 2007 08:38:55 pm Gary Kline wrote:
>   A couple weeks ago I skimmed thru the postings on editing PDF
>   files.  Wasn't entirely clear what the answer it because I never
>   thought I would need to edit a GUI file.  I just found a book
>   from 1883 in pdf format.  I would like a text/ASCII/ISO_8859-1
>   version.  Tried pfdtotext, but it doesn't work.   Nutshell: is
>   there something I can use  to edit/look-at this book and get rid
>   of whateveriit is that's causing pdftotext to fail.  (sorry for
>   the grammar )
>
>   gary

Try gv and xpdf.  You might get lucky. 

Otherwise - try od :-)




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Re: Partition to be shared over OSes

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On November 24, 2007 09:11:25 pm Caio Figueiredo Abecia wrote:
> Hi
> I have some operation systems installed on a hd in some partitions.
> I'd like to know if could I have a partition FAT32 in my hd and let my
> linux/bsd/windows read/write any file there.
>
> To that purpose (share a partition to windows/linux/bsd) what's the best
> solution?
>
> My partition to be NTFS and install on each SO (-win) ntfs-3g ?
>
> Thank you in advance
>
> Caio F.
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Yes, you can read and write FAT filesystems from Linux and BSD systems.

Reading from an NTFS system is generally supported, but writing is still 
experimental, and I wouldn't recommend it for a production system.

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Automatic FSCK for an ext2 disk

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I added a second IDE disk to a FreeBSD system, and formatted it as ext2.  (I 
do have a good reason for doing this).

The system lost power last night.  On reboot, the UFS filesystems were 
repaired automatically, but I had to do a manual fsck on the new disk in 
single-user mode.  

Is there a way to make sure an ext2 filesystem gets automatically fscked as 
well as the UFS partitions on the primary disk?
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Re: Major filesystem problems after crash on 7.0-BETA3

[Mike Jeays]

On November 27, 2007 09:22:42 am Doug Poland wrote:
> On Mon, November 26, 2007 15:03, Doug Poland wrote:
> > On Mon, November 26, 2007 14:26, Doug Poland wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> This morning my 7.0-BETA3 i386 system (Compaq nx7400) reset shortly
> >> after starting X11.  I didn't think much of it and went to get a cup
> >> of coffee while the background fsck took care of the file systems.
> >>
> >> Unforunately, something's still broke.  At first, when I tried to
> >> access the /var or /tmp filesystems, I received panics similar to:
> >>
> >> mode = 0100644, inum = 31127, fs = /tmp
> >> panic: ffs_valloc: dup alloc
> >> cpuid = 0
> >> Uptime: 9s
> >> Physical memory: 3435 MB
> >> Dumping 101 MB:Aborting dump due to I/O error.
> >> status == 0x4, scsi status == 0x0
> >>
> >> ** DUMP FAILED (ERROR 5) **
> >> Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort
> >>
> >>
> >> After doing some googling, it looked like my filesystems weren't
> >> really clean after several manual runs of fsck.  So I disabled
> >> softupdates on /var and /tmp and ran fsck on those file systems
> >> again.  After mounting them rw, I attempted to hit the filesystem
> >> again, this time getting a panic:
> >>
> >> panic: ffs_clusteralloc: map mismatch
> >> cpuid = 1
> >> Uptime: 6m40s
> >> Physical memory: 3435 MB
> >> Dumping 149 MB:Aborting dump due to I/O error.
> >> status == 0x4, scsi status == 0x0
> >>
> >> ** DUMP FAILED (ERROR 5) **
> >> Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort
> >>
> >> Is there a way to identify and fix these errors?  I'm thinking a
> >> newfs of both /var and /tmp is in order.  I don't really care
> >> about /tmp, and I've backed up /var using dump(8).  My concern is
> >> if I restore /var on top of a newfs'd filesystem, I'll restore my
> >> broken files and have the same problem again.
> >
> > Just a follow-up...  Everytime I run a  manual fsck on the problem
> > filesystems, it returns:
> >
> > 
> > BLK(S) MISSING IN BITMAPS
> > SALVAGE?
> > 
> > * FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED *
> >
> >
> > So it would appear that fsck is unable to repair damage, is that
> > correct?
>
> Well, having stumped all the experts, I decided to reinstall from
> 7.0-BETA3 CD-ROM.  After a few minutes of writing to the disk after
> newfs, I got more panic: ffs_clusteralloc: map mismatch errors.  Since
> the device I'm writing to is a 3-day old Maxtor OneTouch III external
> HD, I've decided it must be a hardware failure and am returing the
> drive.

I have an older Maxtor drive (40GB) that refuses to allow FreeBSD to install, 
but has worked flawlessly with Linux. (It would work very slowly in PIO mode, 
but not DMA, which is not a whole lot of use).  I would be interested to hear 
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Re: using dd to duplicate disks/partitions of slightly different sizes - works?

[Mike Jeays]

On December 1, 2007 03:19:59 pm Kevin Kinsey wrote:
> Steve Franks wrote:
> > I've got two 160GB disks.  Different manufacturers, so different #
> > bytes.  One is FreeBSD, the other blank.  I'd like to backup my system
> > for the fastest possible recovery after a crash - move the plug and
> > power up.  I have gmirrored before, but I just wanted to do a quick
> > dd, since I don't want to abuse my cheapo powersupply (has 4 disks
> > already on it).
> >
> > Two questions:
> >
> > (1) If I dd from the smaller to the larger, will it work?  What
> > happens to the extra, say 5MB of unused space - will my partition info
> > be messed up?
> >
> > (2) If I dd from the larger to the smaller (df reports only 50% used
> > anyway) is there a way to make sure there is no info in the 5MB at the
> > end that will overflow the smaller, and again, will my partitions be
> > ok?
> >
> > The other option is just to fdisk & label the other disk, then rsync
> > everything to it.  Is that the wiser choice?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Steve
>
> Giorgos Keramidas made a great post dealing with this
> a while back.  Here 'tis, quoted for your enjoyment
> and potential enlightenment (also quoted is Martin
> McCormack):
>
> ---
>
> >>  It turns out that dd defaults to 512-byte blocks so I didn't
> >> really need the bs=512, but I am not sure I haven't made some other
> >> type of mistake.  The dd command has been running for about 4 hours on
> >> a very fast system, with a 1-gig processor, 1 gig of RAM and two 31-GB
> >> drives.  One would think it should have finished by now, but it is
> >> still running.  Is this a valid method of copying the entire contents
> >> of one drive to another?  Thank you.
>
> Bah!  That's too slow for my taste.  I would usually go for a newfs,
> dump, and restore option.  For instance, to create a copy of /usr on a
> second disk:
>
> newfs -U /dev/ad1s1a
> mount /dev/ad1s1a /mnt
> dump -0 -a -L /usr | ( cd /mnt ; restore ruvf - )
>
> Copying with dd(1) is not as fast  :)
> --
> HTH,
>
> Kevin Kinsey

I tried using dd with two 80GB disks, using a much larger block size (512M), 
booting Knoppix to make sure the filesystems on the 'input' disk were 
quiescent.  It worked, but took an amazing 14 hours, which is only about 1.5 
Mb/sec.  The 'output' drive was on an IDE connector shared with the CD 
device, so that may have been a cause of the poor performance.

Anyway, read 'man dd'.  You can specify very large blocksizes.  I suspect it 
might take very many hours with a blocksize of 512.




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Re: Apparently, csh programming is considered harmful.

[Mike Jeays]

On December 13, 2007 08:05:42 pm Chad Perrin wrote:
> I ran across this today:
>
>   http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/
>
> Title:
>   Csh Programming Considered Harmful
>
> I wonder what responses I might get here, and how much of this applies to
> tcsh as well (I'm still not exactly a tcsh expert).

As you can see, it is 11 years old, but still good advice.  For interactive 
use, tcsh is not too bad, but for writing scripts of any length, sh or bash 
are considered better tools.   For code that will run anywhere, stick to the 
sh subset. 

Bash has all the features one is likely to need for interactive use 
as well, and one could make a good case for it being the 'standard' shell 
now.



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USB disks on FreeBSD 4.7

[Mike Jeays]

I have a  4.7 system, and have trouble with an Apacer Flash Memory
64 MB disk.  I can read and write the FAT system on it if it is
plugged in at boot time, but I cannot remount it if I unmount
it, unplug it, and then plug it in again.
Is this a known problem in 4.7 that is fixed in later versions, and
are there any commands that will do a successful reset?
Please cc me as I am not subscribed; the volume on the list is
quite high these days.
Dmesg output is as follows:

da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
da0: < USB DISK 2.08> Removable Direct Access SCSI-0 device
da0: 650KB/s transfers
da0: 62MB (128000 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 62C)
(da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): READ(6)/WRITE(6) not supported, increasing 
minimum_cmd_size to 10.
--
umass0: BBB reset failed, IOERROR
umass0: BBB bulk-in clear stall failed, IOERROR
umass0: BBB bulk-out clear stall failed, IOERROR
umass0: BBB reset failed, IOERROR
umass0: BBB bulk-in clear stall failed, IOERROR
umass0: BBB bulk-out clear stall failed, IOERROR

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Re: Filesystem of choice for a Linux/FreeBSD shared backup disk?

[Mike Jeays]

I have an EXT2 USB flash drive on a FreeBSD system, and it works perfectly.  
I have also used EXT2 filesystems on IDE drives in a USB caddy, and they work 
fine as well.

On September 23, 2008 04:19:06 pm andrew clarke wrote:
> On Tue 2008-09-23 17:17:21 UTC+0200, Andreas Davour ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> > I've bought a usb connected disk to use as backup, and I've been
> > thinking about trying to make the data as available as possible. Do
> > anyone here have any suggestion about what kind of filesystem would be
> > best to use? Can ufs2 be read by linux? It looks like it from my short
> > persual of google hits, but it also looks kind of complicated. IS ext2 a
> > safer bet? Anything totally different?
> >
> > Any filesystem that can handle data from both BSD and Linux without too
> > much metadata mangling would do.
>
> I'm not sure about UFS support in Linux.  You would probably need to
> ask on a Linux list.  The man page for newfs says that you can create
> UFS1 filesystems with it, which may help with compatibility?
>
> mount_ext2fs is available in FreeBSD but I can't speak for its
> reliability.
>
> There is full read/write support for NTFS provided by
> sysutils/fusefs-ntfs in the Ports tree.  I suspect there are some
> limitations though, eg. tighter restrictions than UFS on what
> characters are permitted in filenames.
>
> For making backups I would probably just use FAT32 and tar, because
> practically anything (not just FreeBSD & Linux) will mount FAT32 file
> systems, and tar should respect your file attributes (owner, group,
> creation timestamp, last modified timestamp, etc).
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Re: gzipping multiple files w/o tarring

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On October 10, 2008 02:49:44 pm Joe Tseng wrote:
> I'm sure this is easy but googling hasn't gotten me anywhere yet...  I want
> to compress all the files in my directory that don't already have a .gz
> extension.  I want them to be individual compressed files, not part of a
> single .tar.gz file.  Can anyone point me to where I can find how to do
> this?
>
> tia,
>
>  - Joe
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"gzip *" will do it.  It leaves out files that already have the .gz extension.
"gunzip *" will put them back the way they were.

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Firewire problem

[Mike Jeays]

I bought a PCI/Firewire card and cable, and used it to connect my Sony PV-GS80 
camcorder, which uses MiniDV tapes and has a Firewire socket.  I get the 
following messages in /var/log/messages, which suggest the Firewire card may 
be a bad one.

# Turn camera on
Nov  6 20:40:00 pcbsd kernel: fwohci0: txd err= 0 No stat
Nov  6 20:40:00 pcbsd kernel: firewire0: 2 nodes, maxhop <= 1, cable IRM = 1
Nov  6 20:40:01 pcbsd kernel: fwohci0: unrecoverable error
Nov  6 20:40:01 pcbsd kernel: fwohci0: BUS reset
Nov  6 20:40:01 pcbsd kernel: fwohci0: node_id=0x8800ffc0, gen=3, non 
CYCLEMASTER mode
Nov  6 20:40:01 pcbsd kernel: fwohci0: txd err= 0 No stat
Nov  6 20:40:01 pcbsd kernel: firewire0: 2 nodes, maxhop <= 1, cable IRM = 1
Nov  6 20:40:01 pcbsd kernel: fwohci0: unrecoverable error

# Try running kino
Nov  6 20:40:56 pcbsd kernel: pid 8206 (kino), uid 1001: exited on signal 11

# Turn camera off
Nov  6 20:46:21 pcbsd kernel: fwohci0: too many cycle lost, no cycle master 
presents?
Nov  6 20:46:21 pcbsd kernel: fwohci0: BUS reset
Nov  6 20:46:21 pcbsd kernel: fwohci0: node_id=0xc800ffc0, gen=4, CYCLEMASTER 
mode
Nov  6 20:46:21 pcbsd kernel: firewire0: 1 nodes, maxhop <= 0, cable IRM = 0 
(me)
Nov  6 20:46:21 pcbsd kernel: firewire0: bus manager 0 (me)
Nov  6 20:46:21 pcbsd kernel: fwohci0: unrecoverable error
Nov  6 20:46:21 pcbsd kernel: fw_xfer_free FWXF_START

Kino segfaults when I press the 'Capture' button.

This is with PC-BSD 7.0 on a test machine.  I have a similar lack of success 
on a Linux machine, with the same card.

Should I buy a new card, or is there anything else worth trying first?
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Re: Have not received emails for a few days now....

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On December 16, 2009 01:03:21 pm Diego Montalvo wrote:
> Is there something wrong with the freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> mailing list? perhaps I got booted accidentally.
>
> Cheers!
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Hardware virtualization

[Mike Jeays]

I am about to buy a new desktop, and I want to make sure that hardware 
virtualization is included. In one or two local computer stores, I get a blank 
look when I ask about this. Intel seems provide it on only certain chip models 
and they don't seem be very forthcoming, Perhaps it is better to buy an AMD 
product?

Any hints, please?
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Re: i've questions sure this e-mail for questions

[Mike Jeays]

On January 9, 2010 07:28:24 pm libyan linux wrote:
> hello sir
> i am wanyce ashoura
> from Libya i notice in Libya and Africa there is no community for BSD
> and i start manged some small group of bsd group
> so if that not bothering you cause my language english not so good
> ok and i am new in bsd world and i wasn't use windows xp sure
> i start with slackware and i notice there are bsd so i say let me
> test it and i like so much
> i want understanding this
> freebsd and openbsd and pcbsd
> not is distributor as gnu linux yes or not
> cause there just few os named bsd i know bsd is open source but not
> free software
> here i am not talk about free of charging  .
> so my questions is bsd is not free software mean i cant make distributor on
> bsd is what i do now on my pc not distributor for business just for my own
> small work like manged my network with me friend's and play costuming every
> thing as i want so
> thank you for your time
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FreeBSD, OpenBSD and PC-BSD are all free software, and there is nothing I know 
of to stop you distributing and using them locally. You can find out more from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_licenses
and from 
http://63.249.85.132/fbsd_intro.html

Good luck - the software is of very high quality and very reliable.

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Re: Laptop advice

[Mike Jeays]

On March 27, 2008 03:09:42 pm mdh wrote:
> --- David Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:53:57PM -0400, Joe Demeny
> >
> > wrote:
> > > In the end, the best advice seems to be indeed to
> >
> > take the FreeBSD CD
> >
> > > to the brick-and-mortar store...
> >
> > Or you could purchase an Apple Mac Book and have a
> > commercially
> > supported Unix pre-installed. Guess that would take
> > all the "fun" out of
> > it?
>
> While I like Mac products and OSX is pretty cool, I
> still find their laptops a bit pricey.
>
> By the by, has anyone tried FreeBSD on one of those
> little Asus EEEpc sublaptops?  A real, tiny, i386
> laptop for $300 (plus maybe a bit more for an
> additional SD card to bump the storage some) seems
> like a truly awesome deal.
>
>
>
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I bought an Eee PC, but haven't tried any other software on it yet.  I can 
confirm that the hardware is a bargain, and I used it 'as is' while 
travelling for ten days, and it connected 'out of the box' to the wireless 
service provided in each hotel.  A mouse is a great help, although the 
built-in pad is quite usable.  I had no trouble with the tiny keyboard, 
except for needing the light on to read the keys.

They are a really great innovation, IMHO.  I am really pleased with mine.

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Re: Even more documentation?

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On April 25, 2008 10:32:37 pm Edward Ruggeri wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've used FreeBSD for about two years now.  Besides using Linux for
> projects on school computers, I never had much experience with
> Unix-like operating systems.  While I get by nicely on FreeBSD, I
> recently felt that I didn't have a very solid understanding of it's
> organization or structure.  I suppose one can't know everything about
> an operating system with as much functionality as FreeBSD, but I
> started to feel like my knowledge was really ad-hoc, and that I didn't
> completely understand what I was doing (as if I had learned only by
> example).
>
> To that end, I started reading the FreeBSD handbook front-to-back.
> I've gotten to Part III, and while it's been very valuable, I still
> feel like I'm learning by example, and not by understanding the
> operating system.  I'm starting to think I'm expecting something out
> of the handbook it's not designed to do.
>
> It seems like the man pages would be a good place to go, but my
> trouble with using them is that they're difficult to put together the
> information on different pages.  I suppose I want something like a
> textbook.  I dream of a K&R type text that is very comprehensive and
> well-organized.
>
> If anyone has advice, I'd very much appreciate it!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> -- Ned Ruggeri
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For more details on the internal design, find a copy of
"The Design and Implementation of the 4.4 BSD Operating System "

http://www.amazon.com/Design-Implementation-Operating-Addison-Wesley-Systems/dp/0201549794


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Re: File manager for Xfce

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On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:58:30 +0100
Bernt Hansson  wrote:

> On 2012-02-15 18:57, Per olof Ljungmark wrote:
> > A long time KDE3 user but now thinking of Xfce instead as KDE4 is not
> > really my way of doing it.
> >
> > One of the things I've found productive in KDE is the Konqerour file
> > manager, is there anything similar available as a separate app to run
> > under Xfce?
> >
> > In particular, it should accept URI's like sftp://, smb:// etcetra and
> > looking at Thunar it does not seem to have this capability?
> >
> > I suppose I could run Konqerour as an app but that would require buiding
> > a lot of KDE3 as well.
> >
> > Suggestions welcome, thanks!
> 
> 
> cd /usr/ports/x11-fm/xfe && make rmconfig && make install clean
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I use and really like XFE, but I can't get it to open smb and ftp sites. Have I 
missed something?
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Re: Why is this Symbol in the front of your website. A humble request.

[Mike Jeays]

On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:44:16 -0500
Lowell Gilbert  wrote:

> Jerry  writes:
> 
> > On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:27:08 +0400
> > Andrey Chernov articulated:
> >
> > {snip}
> >
> > 1) Was there anyone NOT CC'd in that last post?
> 
> Me. Should I feel left out?
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Me too. I think you had to have a freebsd.org mailing address to get the
special treatment.

Is there a way to find out how many people are on these mailing lists?
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Re: Vivaldi Tablet

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On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 18:24:40 -0600
Chad Perrin  wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 04:24:51PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 09:19:54AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
> > > 
> > > I think learning a chording keyboard is going to be much more of an
> > > obstacle than using a QWERTY keyboard, considering you can hunt-and-peck
> > > on a QWERTY keyboard, but you have to know the chords to do anything on a
> > > chording keyboard.
> >
> > i dont have a clue what a chording keybd is; will google
> > after a long nap1  also, i have lost track of who posted the
> > 'fentek' page, but that is where i got my present mine.
> 
> A chording keyboard is a keyboard or other button-press interface with
> fewer keys so it can fit on a smaller device, where many keycodes are
> gotten by way of combining presses of multiple keys rather than a single
> key as on a standard QWERTY keyboard.  Thus, for instance, where on a
> QWERTY keyboard you get a capital A by holding the Shift key and pressing
> the A key, you might on a chording keyboard also get a lower-case A by
> holding down some key and pressing another key.  This works for keyboards
> with fewer keys because there are many potential combinations of keys
> that could be used; if all keycodes are achieved by a two-button "chord",
> all the keys on a standard 101-key keyboard, plus all Alt-, Shift-, and
> Ctrl-chord keycodes, could be simulated by a mere twenty keys.
> 
> -- 
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I saw a demo of a device about 30 years ago that you held in one hand. It had 
about five buttons positioned under your fingers, and various combinations 
would produce all the regular characters. They claimed you could learn to use 
it in a few hours, and would be as fast as a typist. It didn't survive, and I 
can't remember what it was called. I thought it was a great invention - shows 
how wrong one can be.
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Re: Printer recommendation please

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On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 13:17:02 -0600 (MDT)
Warren Block  wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Mar 2012, Karel Miklav wrote:
> 
> > Could you please recommend me a home printer that works nicely with FreeBSD?
> >
> > HP inkjets aren't that bad, FreeBSD drivers are allright, but I'd like to 
> > shift towards some kind of PostScript laser. Xerox Phaser 6500 looks nice, 
> > but I can not economically justify my appetite. Is there a cheaper 
> > alternative or maybe PostScript printers aren't that good idea anyway, heh?
> 
> The Phaser 6500 has some good specifications.  Genuine Adobe PostScript 
> 3, gigabit Ethernet, 24 PPM.  The duty cycle is 4,000 pages per month, 
> which is very low.  Toner is expensive.  Reviews are somewhat mixed.
> 
> It should work with FreeBSD, certainly for text.  For graphics output, 
> Gutenprint doesn't have a setting specifically for the 6500, but one of 
> the similar printers probably will work.  Don't expect photo quality, 
> color lasers have to do halftones.
> 
> The alternative is a black and white laser (LaserJet 4050, still one of 
> the best all-around lasers, used for $50-$150) and an inkjet for 
> reluctant, eventual, stripy color printing.
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I strongly recommend a laser printer over an inkjet even for home use. The 
reduced running costs and better reliability are easily worth the lack of 
colour, IMO. I have used an HP 1020 for three years now, and it works fine 
after three cartridges. I had an inkjet fail at the first cartridge change, 
after I bought new cartridges. (EPSON - never again).
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Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U

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On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:50:26 +0100
Anton Shterenlikht  wrote:

> My daughter is doing a touch typing course
> that presumes MS Word. So far she was fine
> with pico, but now they want the kids to
> practice CTRL/B (bold), CTRL/I (italic),
> CTRL/U (underline). She really needs to use
> these particular combinations because that
> is how the on-line assessment tool is set out.
> 
> I use nothing but vi, so have no clue which,
> if any, editor from ports/editors will have
> these particular combinations implemented.
> 
> Please recommend one, preferably as simple
> and as small as possible.
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Abiword will do this. It is a good bit bigger than vi, but if your daughter is 
being schooled in MS WORD, it is a good substitute.

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Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

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On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 19:57:30 -0400 (EDT)
Chris Hill  wrote:

> On Tue, 5 Jun 2012, G?k?in Akdeniz wrote:
> 
> > For the time being only ARM platform is restricted.
> 
> True, but I would be astonished if this restriction were not expanded by 
> MS in the future. Just my opinion, but I believe their ultimate goal is 
> to add platforms until the "secure boot" restriction encompasses most or 
> all desktop and server hardware. This would be over a period of years.
> 
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This seems all too likely to me. I expect it will become very hard to find a 
consumer laptop that will run other operating systems in a few years. There 
won't be any in Best Buy or Staples, one can be pretty sure. It will be a 
Windows or Mac world. Not an attractive future.
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Re: Omega Zip Drives on FreeBSD 8.*

[Mike Jeays]

On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 19:13:00 -0500
Adam Vande More  wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Al Plant  wrote:
> >
> > I need to get an old parallel Omega Zip drive to work on a freeBSD 8.* to
> > transfer some archives to new media.
> >
> > I have a problem with getting the OS to read the Omega Zip drive so it can
> > be seen in dmesg to manually set the id correctly in /etc/fstab Flash
> > drives and floppies show up but not Parallel Omegas. My wifes MS machine
> > has no parallel input and my several FreeBSD boxes do but wont find the
> > hardware. I used to use Omega Zip under FreeBSD 4.11. Thought these had
> > been transferred years ago but they were only found recently.
> >
> > Any suggestions appreciated.
> >
> 
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/zip-drive/article.html
> 
> Also at /boot/kernel/vpo.ko
> 
> 
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I am amazed anyone still has a working Zip drive! Both mine suffered from the 
click of death some years ago, round about when 4.11 was current. I would get 
any data off them and onto a CD/DVD as soon as possible. For me, they would 
make nice museum exhibits, but that's it.
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Re: graphical representation of `du`

[Mike Jeays]

On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:15:04 +0100
Chris Rees  wrote:

> du -h . | awk '{a[i++]=$0} END {for (j=i-1; j>=0;) print a[j--] }' |
> awk '{print($2" ["$1"]");}' | sed -e 's,[^-][^/]*/,--,g' -e 's,^,|,'


I confess to being impressed...
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Re: Filename containing French characters ?

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On Sun, 22 May 2011 17:00:48 +0200
Frank Bonnet  wrote:

> Hello
> 
> I'm going mad trying to
> Open a file which the filename contains one or more French characters ( file 
> not found )
> Is there some magical receipe to do so ? Or do I have to forget trying ???
> 
> Thanks
> 
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If the first few characters is not accented, type 'mv "', then the first few 
characters,  in a command line, and press 'tab' so the auto-completion works. 
Don't forget the closing quote. Then rename it to something else.
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Re: Has anyone been able to configure a Linksys E3000 using freebsd or pcbsd?

[Mike Jeays]

On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 17:27:39 -0700
Chuck Swiger  wrote:

> Hi--
> 
> On Aug 11, 2011, at 5:03 PM, eculp wrote:
> > In a trade with a "friend", I ended up with a Linksys E3000.  The only 
> > windows machine that I have is my wife's 10" laptop that doesn't have a 
> > dvd.  I use FreeBSD or pcBSD for everything, workstations, servers, etc.  I 
> > need to configure this thing but can't find any instructions on web based 
> > configuration.  The FAQ and the dvd all imply that you must run the windows 
> > installation programs.  I doubt that is true.  I've used other Linksys 
> > products, printservers, AP's, etc. with no problem.
> > 
> > Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> You can do a reasonable job of configuring an E3000 without using the Windows 
> installer-- manually set up the laptop at IP 192.168.1.2 using a direct 
> ethernet cable, and the router ought to be at http://192.168.1.1.  Note that 
> most of these Linksys E models, especially the ones with the "L" prefix 
> are updated variants of the classic WRT54G(L), and you might consider running 
> DD-WRT instead of the stock Cisco/Linksys firmware.
> 
> Regards,
> -- 
> -Chuck
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Mine just handed out 192.168.1.1 via DHCP, and I was able to configure it with 
the browser. But I returned it to Best Buy as it didn't have as good a range as 
the older one I was replacing. I didn't need to use the DVD at all to configure 
it.
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Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion

[Mike Jeays]

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 18:17:15 +0200
"Kruppa, Peter Ulrich"  wrote:

> 
> 
> On 13.10.2011 23:43, mikel king wrote:
> >
> > On Oct 13, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Roland Smith wrote:
> >
> >> With the recent death of Dennis Ritchie, we've lost one of the giants on 
> >> whose
> >> shoulders we are standing. But rather that mourn his passing, I think it 
> >> would
> >> be proper to remember and celebrate his achievements.
> >>
> >> His contributions to the C language and the UNIX operating system are a
> >> legacy that few can match.
> >>
> >> Therefore I would like to propose that the FreeBSD project dedicate the
> >> upcoming 9.0 release in his memory.
> I believe this would be an appropriate gesture.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Peter.
> -- 
> 
> Peter Ulrich Kruppa
> Wuppertal
> Germany
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I am strongly in favour of such a gesture, as an exceptional case.
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www.clubrunner.ca

[Mike Jeays]

I find weird behaviour with this site. It works fine on Windows systems, but 
Firefox on FreeBSD (and also Firefox, Opera and Chrome on Ubuntu) fails to 
connect. It immediately tries to retrieve www.clubrunner.ca/Home, but then the 
connection hangs.

Does anyone have any clues, please?
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Re: Check Memory Usage, program like 'free' in Linux

[Mike Jeays]

On Thu, 3 Nov 2011 10:06:19 -0400
Jon Schipp  wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Rares Aioanei  wrote:
> 
> > On 11/03/2011 03:18 PM, Jon Schipp wrote:
> >
> >> Is there a program to check physical memory usage in FreeBSD(using 8.2
> >> RELEASE)?
> >> In vain of 'free' in Linux.
> >>
> >> I know you can check the values with sysctl, I was just checking if anyone
> >> has a "cleaner" option.
> >> I was always curious.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Jon
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> >>  top?
> >
> 
> Crap, I forgot mention that it needs to be non-interactive, it will be for
> e-mail alerts.
> 
> So that rules out top as for as I know.
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"top -n 1" followed by grep or awk might do what you want.

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Re: anybody know howto do eazy abbrevs?

[Mike Jeays]

On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:40:23 -0800
Chuck Swiger  wrote:

> On Nov 11, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Gary Kline wrote:
> > "hw r u gys dng?"
> > 
> > into:
> > 
> > "how are you guys doing?
> 
> Assuming you've got emacs installed:
> 
>   info emacs -s abbrev
> 
> Regards,
> -- 
> -Chuck
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The :ab command in vi will do this; you can build them into a .exrc file.

See http://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/unix/upt/ch30_31.htm
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Re: very small "workgroup" network

[Mike Jeays]

On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:06:17 -0600
Jeffrey McFadden  wrote:

> I feel really inferior to the community here, but I have to ask because I
> simply don't know:
> 
> What do I need to do to create a small (3 PC-BSD) home network?  I could do
> this in no time in Windows, but I don't know how to find, configure, and
> enable the files necessary  to make these machines talk to each other and
> allow browsing to shared resources.  h The connectivity is in place (each
> can access the internet.)
> 
> I've Googled considerably and not found instructions.  Just a pointer to
> instructions on the web somewhere would be fine.
> 
> Blushing and grateful,
> 
> Jeff
> 
> ><>><>><>><>><>><>><>
> <><<><<><<><<><<><<><
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Look up NFS in the FreeBSD handbook : 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-nfs.html and subsequent pages. It 
is as easy as Windows once you find out how, and performance is excellent.

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Re: [Bulk] Re: day light saving time happened today

[Mike Jeays]

On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 21:42:52 -0400
Fbsd8  wrote:

> Lowell Gilbert wrote:
> > 
> > The next test is to check the clock in GMT. 
> > I expect it to be off, which means that the timezone rules are not the
> > problem. If this is not the case, the diagnosis gets more interesting.
> > 
> > 
> 
> And how do you purpose I check the clock in GMT?
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date -u should do it.
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Re: logging during loader

[Mike Jeays]

On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 09:23:10 -0400
Robert Huff  wrote:

> 
>   During the processing of loader.conf, something gets printed
> that suggests all is not right.  However, this is a sufficiently
> modern machine it goes by too fast to read exactly what.
>   It is my understanding that file gets read before the system
> logging facilities are operational, and possibly before things like
> ^S/^Q work on the terminal.
>   Is there a way to store the results of that phase of boot-up?
> 
>   Respectfully,
> 
> 
>   Robert Huff
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I am sure there is a 'right' way to do it, but I had success reading a 
transitory
BIOS message by photographing the screen with a 2-second exposure, in a fairly 
dark
room. This will only work for white-on-black text, of course.
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Re: Hello

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On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 08:56:59 +1000
julius  wrote:

> Which BSD for a user desktop ??!.
> I all ready have Linux mint but I like to try again, in the past I have 
> use it but no luck in dual booting system with windows and I have try to 
> follow youtube BSD users that gave instructions on the BSD and no luck.
> Everybody that I watch in youtube for instruction it hasn't work even 
> loading the BSD on is own hasn't work.So which BSD for a user desktop??!
> Thank you
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PC-BSD is a good place to start; it makes installation easy.

I prefer running Windows in a VM under VirtualBox to dual-booting. Switching
between the two is much faster, and you can make the host file system visible
to the guest with Samba.
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Re: UEFI Secure Boot

[Mike Jeays]

On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 02:31:40 +0200
Polytropon  wrote:

> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 16:21:28 + (UTC), jb wrote:
> > I hope FreeBSD (and other OSs) luminaries, devs and users will find a way 
> > not 
> > to harm themselves.
> 
> A massive problem I (personally) have is that with Restricted Boot
> (this is what "Secure Boot" basically is) you are no longer able
> to _ignore_ MICROS~1 and their products. A restrictive boot loader
> mechanism that requires signed and confirmed keys, handled by a
> major offender of free decisions and a healthy market - no thanks.
> What prevents MICROS~1 from revoking keys of a possible competitor?
> Or from messing with the specs just that things start breaking?
> 
> Don't get me wrong: I don't even argument that a mechanism where
> a competitor requires you to pay money to run _your_ software
> instead of _their_ software sounds horribly wrong. This approach
> will introduce a philosophical or even legal context to the
> technical problem.
> 
> I see interesting chances in UEFI per se. It can be called a kind
> of "micro-OS" which can be rich on features that could also be
> useful. But history has shown that if such an infrastructure is
> provided, it will lead to bloated, insecure and incompatible
> implementations quickly, and the worst, it will happen at a very
> low level. This is simly dangerous.
> 
> Regarding UEFI + Restricted Boot: To obtain MICROS~1's sticker of
> approval for hardware, vendors need to implement those features.
> Even worse, on _specific_ platforms, they are not allowed to make
> it possible to _remove_ those features, so "on by default" is
> required - if I remember correctly (Intel vs. ARM architectures).
> 
> As you see, I try to ignore this whole topic as I am not interested
> in using it. In the past, this has been possible. When building a
> new system, buying a blank disk and _no_ "Windows" was particularly
> easy. For systems that already came with some "Windows" preinstalled,
> simply deleting the partition was a solution; install FreeBSD boot
> mechanism, initialize disk, and be done. No more dealing with what
> MICROS~1 seems to insist is "normal". When _their_ product decisions
> make _me_ invest time to find a way to remove and ignore them, I
> feel offended.
> 
> I would like to see a way UEFI hardware, with or without Restricted
> Boot, can be used with FreeBSD _without_ involving the "good will"
> of MICROS~1. But as they have already gotten their fingers everywhere,
> this doesn't seem to happen all too soon... :-(
> 
> 
> 
> 
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If I have understood correctly, it is quite easy to disable secure boot on
most current machines; it is just an option in the UEFI setup.

The real danger is machines where it cannot be disabled. This includes some
recent HP machines; whether by design or incompetence I cannot say. These
are the real danger to non-Microsoft operating systems, and the free software
movement needs to fight tooth and nail against them. I can all too easily
see them proliferating in the marketplace, perhaps secretly 'encouraged' by
Microsoft.

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Re: learn

[Mike Jeays]

On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 14:21:34 +0100 (BST)
Anton Shterenlikht  wrote:

> >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 14:29:25 +0200
> >From: herbert langhans 
> >To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> >Subject: Re: learn
> 
> >The handbook is a monster, even technically interested people get lost
> >there. You know that, corebug.
> 
> I completely disagree.
> 
> The handbook is of excellent quality for a volunteer project.
> In particular, it is far ahead of any linux documentation
> effort I've seen. Indeed, it was the handbook that made me
> start using FreeBSD in the first place. In about 2003 I tried
> several linux distros, and got completely lost. The available
> documentation for linux, at least at that time, was not designed
> for a novice, certainly not at my level. In contrast, the
> FreeBSD handbook was very clear and allowed me to install
> and start using FreeBSD quickly and easily. This was version 4.9.
> 
> Since then the quality of the handbook improved a lot.
> The handbook is certantly the first FreeBSD resource
> I would recommend to a FreeBSD novice.
> 
> Anton
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Agreed - the handbook has been a great resource since I started using FreeBSD 
in 1997,
at version 2.2.something.

Greg Lehey's book "The Complete FreeBSD" is also excellent, and available as a 
free
download - although I am sure he would appreciate contributions or purchases.

http://www.lemis.com/grog/Documentation/CFBSD/

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Re: dangerously dedicated physical disks.

[Mike Jeays]

On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 16:16:17 -
atar  wrote:

> Hi there!!
> 
> During the reading of the FreeBSD handbook, I've encountered at the term  
> 'dangerously dedicated' regarding physical disks and the author of this  
> chapter in the FreeBSD handbook didn't think this term need more clarity.  
> so for newbies like me in the FreeBSD world I want to ask: what's the  
> 'dangerously dedicated' term meaning by?
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> atar.
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Information is at this (very old) link. Not as scary as it sounds.

http://docs.freebsd.org/doc/2.2.6-RELEASE/usr/share/doc/FAQ/FAQ103.html
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Re: Just wanted to say "Thanks" to Polytropon

[Mike Jeays]

On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 19:42:15 + (UTC)
Walter Hurry  wrote:

> A few weeks ago I asked about mouse trails. Polytropon suggested xeyes. I 
> have found it excellent, and have had no trouble whatsoever with it.
> 
> It has made my life so much easier. Thanks, Polytropon!
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I have to confess that when I first say xeyes on a Sun workstation over 20 years
ago, I thought it was a joke - just a demo of what could be done with 
X-Windows. I am
delighted to hear it has helped you so much, and no doubt many others. I was 
quite naive.

I see it has even been ported to (or rewritten for) Windows : 
http://www.steelblue.com/WinEyes/
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Re: BSD Question's.

[Mike Jeays]

On Sat, 2005-12-24 at 07:19 -0800, Michael C. Shultz wrote:
> On Saturday 24 December 2005 06:54, Daniel A. wrote:
> > Hi Andy,
> >
> > I am sorry for the trouble you have had with Windows XP.
> >
> > I suggest that you use Linux, as FreeBSD really is not targeted at
> > people who want to use graphical user interfaces.
> 
> In a few key areas FreeBSD is a better desktop OS than Linux:  Easier to keep
> the kernel/world and installed ports up to date for example without having
> to resort to the microsoft/Linux fixall method of removing and reinstalling 
> everything every now and again.  Your opinion is correct IMO that FreeBSD
> managers put most emphasis on FreeBSD as a server and little as a desktop.
> My guess is because donations(cash) and hardware support for developers
> come from people who want servers while people who want a desktop OS tend to 
> donate squat
> 
> > The linux developers really have been trying to make a valuable
> > replacement for Windows, as they somehow have experienced the same
> > issues with Windows (And Microsoft products in general) that you have.
> >
> > One Linux distribution in particular that I think you might like, is
> > Ubuntu. You can download it at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/, or order a
> > CD (Free shipping, free CD, you pay nothing).
> 
> Advertising Linux in a FreeBSD mailing list?  Sounds like you may have more 
> of 
> axe to grind against the FreeBSD management folk than a desire to offer sound 
>  
> advice
> 
> -Mike
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I have used FreeBSD as my desktop since 2.1.5, and have been very
satisfied with it.  Now that KDE has matured, it is an excellent choice
for a desktop environment, and runs just as well on FreeBSD as Linux. (I
am not a GNOME fan, personally). I have tried several different Linux
distributions, and my current favourite is Suse 10.0, given a copy on a
DVD to avoid shuffling CDs in and out of the drive.  They have done a
great job - but I still come back to FreeBSD for all serious work.


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Re: BSD Question's.

[Mike Jeays]

It is not clear to me who said this; whoever did gets my vote for
cheapest trick of the year.

> This is the same kind of response I got when I asked for screen
> alternatives. My "grind" is against Linux. Honestly, I hate linux. I
dont
> have any real reasons for hating it, I just do, because Linux has a
very
> loud-mouthed userbase that "hates" "M$" and "Winblows". I ordered 200
> (Yes, 200!) Ubuntu CD's just for the priceless joy of sitting in my
> room and laughing once I opened the box with the 200 CD's that cost
> some people real money.




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Re: a SED need

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On Tue, 2005-12-27 at 09:18 -0600, Jack Stone wrote:
> I have some HTML files with hundreds of URLs that I need to modify using a 
> search/replace string. I assume that SED(1) is the right tool to use, but 
> every syntax I've tried has not worked.
> 
> Here is what I'm trying to do:
> Change full URLs to relative paths, in other words, chop off the
> "http://www.example.com/"; portion:
> 
> >From this:
> http://www.example.com/model/many.html";>
> To this:
> 
> 
> I think it is the slashes and quotes that are giving me fits as I'm very 
> much a novice on SED(1) syntax.
> 
> Would appreciate any tips on how to do the above so I can search and replace 
> all of the hundreds of URLs.
> 
> Many thanks and Happy New Year!
> 
> Regards,
> Jack
> 
> _
> Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! 
> http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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sed will allow other characters than '/' as its delimiter, which makes
it much easier to get escape sequences right, or avoid them altogether.

sed -e 's=/http=/https=g' is an example

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Re: Mounting Canon Powershot Digital Camera

[Mike Jeays]

On Wed, 2005-12-28 at 23:32 -0700, TuxGirl wrote:
> I'm trying to figure out how to mount my camera, and I seem to be
> coming up empty.  Here's the info that I got from attaching, and then
> detaching the camera from my system:
> 
> Dec 28 23:18:41 amon-re kernel: ugen1: Canon Inc. Canon Digital
> Camera, rev 2.00/0.02, addr 2
> Dec 28 23:18:43 amon-re kernel: ugen1: at uhub4 port 4 (addr 2) disconnected
> Dec 28 23:18:43 amon-re kernel: All threads purged from ugen1.3
> Dec 28 23:18:43 amon-re kernel: All threads purged from ugen1.2
> Dec 28 23:18:43 amon-re kernel: All threads purged from ugen1.1
> Dec 28 23:18:43 amon-re kernel: All threads purged from ugen1
> Dec 28 23:18:43 amon-re kernel: ugen1: detached
> 
> I'm running FreeBSD 6.0, and I'm fairly new to *bsd.
> I tried mounting /dev/ugen1 (which only exists when the camera is
> plugged in), as well as /dev/ugen.1, etc.  I also tried /dev/usb. 
> Each of them complains that a block device is required.  Someone on
> #freebsd suggested that i try giving it a -t flag, so I tried -t vfat
> (which apparently isn't correct on freebsd), then -t msdosfs, but
> received the same error with that.
> 
> I'm feeling a bit stumped about this, currently.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> ~TuxGirl
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I found it much easier to buy a USB card reader, which can then be
mounted as
'mount -t msdos /dev/da0s1 /mnt'.

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Installing PostgreSQL as a package

[Mike Jeays]

I am having trouble installing postgresql80-server on a 6.0 machine.  It
complains that it is incompatible with postgresql-client-7.4.8. This
can't be deleted because it is a dependency of koffice and kde, so I am
reluctant to force the deletion.

I forced the install of postgresql80-server, but it hasn't created
anything in /usr/local/pgsql, and I haven't yet been able to get it to
run.

Should I try compiling it from source, or is there something obvious I
have missed?  I have created the pgsql account.



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Postgresql 8.0 again

[Mike Jeays]

I just re-installed postgresql80-server from the ports, and get exactly
the same error as from the package.  This is on my 5.4 machine, were I
previously had a working copy.

I have tried changing max_connections in the sample config file (setting
it down to 1 just to see if even that would work). I also tried the
following kernel setting changes (without a reboot), with no
improvement.

sysctl -w kern.ipc.shmall=32768
sysctl -w kern.ipc.shmmax=134217728
sysctl -w kern.ipc.semmap=256

Error message from initdb

...
...
creating configuration files ... ok
creating template1 database in /usr/local/pgsql/data/base/1 ... FATAL:
could not create semaphores: No space left on device
DETAIL:  Failed system call was semget(1, 17, 03600).
HINT:  This error does *not* mean that you have run out of disk space.
It occurs when either the system limit for the maximum number of
semaphore sets (SEMMNI), or the system wide maximum number of semaphores
(SEMMNS), would be exceeded.  You need to raise the respective kernel
parameter.  Alternatively, reduce PostgreSQL's consumption of semaphores
by reducing its max_connections parameter (currently 10).
The PostgreSQL documentation contains more information about
configuring your system for PostgreSQL.
child process exited with exit code 1
initdb: removing data directory "/usr/local/pgsql/data"

Any more help will be very welcome!


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Re: format disk in bsd

[Mike Jeays]

On Thu, 2006-01-05 at 17:21 +, Nguyen Danh Hieu wrote:
> Hi everybody
> I have about 20Gb unused space and  40Gb of  NTFS on my HDD an I want to
> change them to ufs . But everytime when I tried with cfdisk-linux   or
> sysinstall => configure => fdisk (as root )  it is said that I am not
> allowed to write disk table (or something like "disk read only" )  But I am
> root , why did it happen? someone show me solution plz?
> Thank you.
> 
> --
> ===
> Nguyen Danh Hieu
> 
> Physics Faculty
> Moscow State University
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There was a discussion about this the other day.  Someone reminded us
all that, by design, you can't change the slices and partitions on the
system disk.  You could do it by booting from Freesbie, or I believe
there is a flag you can turn off in single-user mode.  Check the
mailing-list archives for the last couple of months.

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Re: Postgresql 8.0 again

[Mike jeays]

On Mon, 2006-01-09 at 13:36 +0100, Benjamin Thelen wrote:
> Reboot always helped for me. Otherwise see 
> http://www.webservertalk.com/message292349.html.
> Maybe this helps.
> 
> Best,
> Ben
> 
> Mike Jeays schrieb:
> > I just re-installed postgresql80-server from the ports, and get exactly
> > the same error as from the package.  This is on my 5.4 machine, were I
> > previously had a working copy.
> > 
> > I have tried changing max_connections in the sample config file (setting
> > it down to 1 just to see if even that would work). I also tried the
> > following kernel setting changes (without a reboot), with no
> > improvement.
> > 
> > sysctl -w kern.ipc.shmall=32768
> > sysctl -w kern.ipc.shmmax=134217728
> > sysctl -w kern.ipc.semmap=256
> > 
> > Error message from initdb
> > 
> > ...
> > ...
> > creating configuration files ... ok
> > creating template1 database in /usr/local/pgsql/data/base/1 ... FATAL:
> > could not create semaphores: No space left on device
> > DETAIL:  Failed system call was semget(1, 17, 03600).
> > HINT:  This error does *not* mean that you have run out of disk space.
> > It occurs when either the system limit for the maximum number of
> > semaphore sets (SEMMNI), or the system wide maximum number of semaphores
> > (SEMMNS), would be exceeded.  You need to raise the respective kernel
> > parameter.  Alternatively, reduce PostgreSQL's consumption of semaphores
> > by reducing its max_connections parameter (currently 10).
> > The PostgreSQL documentation contains more information about
> > configuring your system for PostgreSQL.
> > child process exited with exit code 1
> > initdb: removing data directory "/usr/local/pgsql/data"
> > 
> > Any more help will be very welcome!
> > 
> > 
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I got it to work with a kernel recompile with some additional
parameters.  It is there in the documentation if you read it carefully!
(I obviously didn't).

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Re: FreeBSD

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On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 18:09 -0800, Uncle Deejy-Pooh wrote:
> Hey, I've spent the day using pc-bsd, and I quite like it ! Can I remain 
> on the
> mailing list, or are people already forming hollow squares to drum me out ?
> 
>   Regards to all for the New Year,
>Deej
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Anyone can remain on the mailing list.  People only get drummed out if
they make a real nuisance of themselves with irrelevant or offensive
postings.  Welcome to the BSD world.



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Re: Why I haven't device /dev/cd0

[Mike Jeays]

On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 21:53 +0100, cblasius wrote:
> Hello !
> 
> I want to use DVD+RW. I looked in handbook and I saw there:
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/creating-dvds.html
> 
>  >>16.7.5 Using a DVD+RW
>  >>
>  >>Unlike CD-RW, a virgin DVD+RW needs to be formatted before first use. 
>  >>The growisofs(1) program will take care of it automatically whenever 
>  >>appropriate, which is the recommended way. However you can use the 
>  >>dvd+rw-format command to format the DVD+RW:
>  >>
>  >># dvd+rw-format /dev/cd0
> 
> It is a mistake?
> In my folder /dev/ I have only the following devices for DVD:
> /dev/acd0
> and this (I do not remember exactly it name)
> /dev/acd0t01
> 
> Where is /dev/cd0?
> 
> I want to format my DVD, but when I use:
> # dvd+rw-format /dev/acd0
> then I obtain error about something inappropriate ioctl.
> 
> Please for help. I'm beginner in FreeBSD.
> I try format DVD+RW and then want to use for packet writing.
> Is it possible?
> 
> Best regards,
> cblasius
> 
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You need to add one line ("device atapicam") to the kernel config file
and recompile the kernel to enable access to CD and DVD devices
through /dev/cd0

See section 16.6.9 in the Handbook, and also section 8 for recompiling a
kernel.

Installing K3B will provide a NERO-like GUI interface for burning CDs,
should you prefer to do it that way.

Nowhere near as hard as it sounds!


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Re: Configuring a Printer - Printing Code

[Mike Jeays]

On Mon, 2006-01-23 at 18:59 -0700, Warren Block wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, Mark Kane wrote:
> 
> > Hi everyone. I've been trying to get this going for quite a while, but
> > got busy. I'm finally back on it now so hopefully someone may have a
> > suggestion because I'm stumped.
> >
> > I've got a Lexmark Z52 printer shared through CUPS on the network from a
> > different machine. I've also got CUPS running on the machine I am trying
> > to get to print. It sees the shared printer and can use the CUPS
> > interface to print a test page to the printer shared by the other computer.
> >
> > The problem comes when printing from this machine. Whenever trying to
> > print, instead of printing the text of the document or website, it
> > prints a bunch of code. Here is a short sample:
> >
> > ---
> > flipXY 0 eq c3x2 c4x2 eq or
> > {false PickCoords }
> > { /shrink c3x2 c4x2 eq
> >  {0} {c1x2 c4x2 sub c3x2 c4x2 sub div abs} ifelse def
> >  /xshrink {c4x2 sub shrink mul c4x2 add} def
> > [...etc...]
> > ---
> 
> Your network description is hard to follow, but from the description 
> given, the printer is attached to a Mac, and you are sending it print 
> jobs from a FreeBSD machine.
> 
> What you show here is PostScript code.  The Mac is receiving your 
> PostScript print job, but misidentifying it as a text file.
> 
> You need to find out what the Mac is expecting, and send that.  Or you 
> may be able to change the settings on the Mac, or maybe just add some 
> kind of ID string at the start of your print jobs that will help them be 
> properly identified as PostScript.
> 
> -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA
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Postscript files are often identified by a comment beginning with a "%"
in the first position of the file.  Try inserting a line like this at
the start of the file, and see if that works.

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Re: RAM check

[Mike Jeays]

On Thu, 2006-01-26 at 10:49 -0500, Philip Juels wrote:
> I'm running into random seg faults during KDE and Gnome compilation, and 
> I and others on the list suspect faulty RAM.  Are there any utils out 
> there that can test/diagnose RAM (aside from the laughable BIOS POST).
> 
> THX
> 
> PJ
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Re: sshd possible breakin attempt messages

[Mike Jeays]

On Mon, 2006-02-06 at 21:23 +0100, Kristian Vaaf wrote:
> At 18:03 06.02.2006, Kevin Kinsey wrote:
> >Brad Gilmer wrote:
> >
> >>Hello all,
> >>
> >>I guess one of the banes of our existance as Sys Admins is that 
> >>people are always pounding away at our systems trying to break 
> >>in.  Lately, I have been getting hit with several hundred of the 
> >>messages below per dayin my security report output...
> >>
> >>gilmer.org login failures:
> >>Feb  5 11:18:17 gilmer sshd[78078]: reverse mapping checking 
> >>getaddrinfo for 206-171-37-232.ded.pacbell.net failed - POSSIBLE 
> >>BREAKIN ATTEMPT!
> >>Feb  5 11:18:18 gilmer sshd[78080]: reverse mapping checking 
> >>getaddrinfo for 206-171-37-232.ded.pacbell.net failed - POSSIBLE 
> >>BREAKIN ATTEMPT!
> >>Feb  5 11:18:20 gilmer sshd[78082]: reverse mapping checking 
> >>getaddrinfo for 206-171-37-232.ded.pacbell.net failed - POSSIBLE 
> >>BREAKIN ATTEMPT!
> >>
> >>I am running FreeBSD 5.4 RELEASE, and right now this box is not a 
> >>production machine, but I am going to be taking it live fairly 
> >>soon.  Questions:
> >>
> >>1)  Is there anything I should be doing to thwart this particular attack?
> >>
> >
> >IANAE on security, but there are several possibilities.  Here are a couple
> >ideas from my deadbeat security brain:
> >
> > 1.  edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and make sure that only the right users
> >  and such are allowed to login, and via the right methods.
> >
> > 2.  If the situation allows, you can wrap sshd via /etc/hosts.allow to
> >  only allow logins from certain IP addresses (i.e., wherever you
> >  intend to admin this box from).
> >
> >Note that, as I mentioned, IANAE, and there is plenty of other "higher
> >level" security actions that can be taken to secure a box from attack.
> >Maybe some less-newbie-than-me guru will step up to the plate on that;
> >maybe not.
> >
> >>2)  Given that I am on 5.4, should I upgrade my sshd or do anything 
> >>else at this point to make sure my machine is as secure as possible?
> >>
> >
> >Check the advisories at the freebsd.org web site, and keep tracking
> >RELENG_5_4 with cvsup/buildworld, etc. to stay up to date is a good
> >starting point.
> >
> >>3)  (Meta-question) - Should I upgrade to 6.0 before I go live to 
> >>be sure I am in the best possible security situation going forward?
> >>Should I wait until 6.1 for bug fixes (generally I am opposed to 
> >>n.0 anything).
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Meta-answer, if possible from an idiot like me:  6.0 is actually a very
> >notable exception to the "don't grab the zero release" rule in my case.
> >YMMV, of course.  Last week I upgraded my last 5.X boxen to 6.X, and
> >I don't plan on looking back!  Now, if I could just find time to
> >backup/reinstall that 4.X boxen that's locked up so far away!!!
> >
> >>Thanks
> >>Brad
> >>
> >
> >You're welcome.
> >
> >Kevin Kinsey
> 
> Sorry, but what is IANAE and YMMV?
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Vaaf
> 
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YMMV  = "Your mileage may vary" - an over-used disclaimer in car
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Re: un- link command

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On Tue, 2006-02-07 at 14:10 -0500, fbsd_user wrote:
> what command is used to remove a directory ln?
> 
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Re: Using dd to Make a Clone of a Drive

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On Thu, 2006-02-09 at 14:36 -0600, Martin McCormick wrote:
>   After installing FreeBSD5.4, the ISC dhcp server and ISC bind
> on a hard drive, I wanted to clone that drive to a second drive so as
> to generate a second server, using what I had already installed as a
> template.  I used the following command:
> 
> dd if=/dev/da0 of=/dev/da1 bs=512
> 
>   It turns out that dd defaults to 512-byte blocks so I didn't
> really need the bs=512, but I am not sure I haven't made some other
> type of mistake.  The dd command has been running for about 4 hours on
> a very fast system, with a 1-gig processor, 1 gig of RAM and two 31-GB
> drives.  One would think it should have finished by now, but it is
> still running.  Is this a valid method of copying the entire contents
> of one drive to another?  Thank you.
> 
> 
> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
> Systems Engineer
> OSU Information Technology Department Network Operations Group
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You can use a much bigger block size, and the job will take significantly less 
time to run.
I have successfully used a blocksize of 512000.  Keep it to a multiple of 512.
 
I haven't tried even larger block sizes, but I think they would work fine.

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Re: kdm and fluxbox

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On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 22:35 -0700, RYAN M. vAN GINNEKEN wrote:
> I am tring to get kdm to log me into fluxbox i have followed the handbook to 
> the letter and can login to gnome kde and enlightnment also options for 
> defaut and failsafe and some others none of which i have tried yet.  However 
> flux box is not there and i cannot seem to find where kde is getting these 
> sessions from.  There does not seem to be any option in kcontrol for session 
> like mentioned in the freebsd handbook i did go into
> 
> usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xsession 
> 
> and added some lines but nothing happened  
> 
>failsafe)
> exec /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm -geometry 80x24-0-0
> ;;
> kde)
> exec /usr/local/bin/startkde
> ;;
> GNOME)
> exec /usr/X11R6/bin/gnome-session
> ;;
> FluxBox)
> exec /usr/X11R6/bin/fluxbox
> ;;
> esac
> esac
> 
> 
> WHERE IS KDM GETTING ITS SESSION INFO FROM AND HOW DO I TELL IT TO ADD FLUXBOX
> 
> 

Look in /usr/local/share/config/kdm

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Re: Looking for a USB Compact Flash card reader.

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On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 20:29 -0800, Micah wrote:
> Paul Marciano wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > On 5.4-RELEASE I'm having problems with my AVB card
> > reader:  I often get "Synchronize Cache" and "CSW Tag"
> > errors.
> > 
> > Does anyone have a solid recommendation for a USB
> > Compact Flash card reader?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Paul.
> 
> I have a SanDisk ImageMate that's always worked for me from 5.2 to 5.4 
> (haven't really used it since the upgrade to 6.0).
> 
> HTH,
> Micah
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I have a similar good experience with the same card reader, including
success with 4.9 and 6.0. 
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Re: apsfilter question/problem

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On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 11:09 +, Denny White wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> 
> I read the article at Onlamp about printing for the impatient.
> Installed apsfilter and samba on my old hp netserver so I'd
> be able to print to an hp 722c deskjet printer connected to
> an xp box. Gimp-print was also installed. Ghostscript was
> already installed. I ran /usr/local/share/apsfilter/./SETUP
> & thought I had it whipped. That's where the fun started.
> Apparently I've missed something along the way, since the
> print job never gets sent to the xp box. I also found out
> at linuxprinting.org that the recommended hp 722c driver
> is pnm2ppa. There was only one section in the install script
> that mentioned that driver, 10) PPA printer, so I chose that.
> It plugs it into the setup, but when I try to print a test
> page, I get ERROR: additional filter 'pnm2ppa' not found.
> I found the driver at linuxprinting.org & downloaded it.
> How do I go about using it? Is there a way to compile it
> into ghostscript? I have ghostscript-gnu-nox11-7.07_14 &
> the apsfilter setup script found it & didn't complain.
> Do I need to install another more complete version? I know
> if I install ghostscript-afpl, I'll also have to recompile
> & reinstall apsfilter with the proper make options. When
> I choose the more generic just plain deskjet printer driver,
> the script accepts it, and when I try to print a test page,
> there's no complaining about the driver like when I try the
> ppa driver. Test page is created, supposedly sent to the
> xp printer with even a speed, average around 950 kb/s, but
> I see where it only goes to stdin. I'm definitely not a
> programmer, but another filter, ghostscript, something, has
> to relay it to stdout, is that correct?
> So, I could use some pointers on this. If anyone interested
> in answering needs more info, I'll be glad to plug it in to
> a reply. Like smb.conf, apsfilterrc, & so forth. Thanks.
> Denny White
> 
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> Fingerprint: D0A9 AD44 1F10 E09E 0E67  EC25 CB44 F2E5 1644 E79A
> 
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
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> 
> iD8DBQFD9a7dy0Ty5RZE55oRAg/8AKCaidZVu40OrIvmGeLm/Zw40RDAqgCaAggH
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This combination worked fine for me.

-
# Printcap file: Added 2005-04-25 based on pnm2ppa suggestions.
  
lp|ascii|unix:\
:lp=/dev/lpt0:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd:\
:if=/home/mike/bin/pnm2ppa-filter:\
:mx#0:\
:sh:
-
#!/bin/sh
# printcap-filter
TMP=/tmp/pnm2ppa.tmp
cat >$TMP
ch1=`head -1 $TMP | cut -c 1`
if [ "$ch1" = '%' ]
then
 cat $TMP | /usr/local/bin/gs -sDEVICE=ppmraw -q -dNOPAUSE -r600 \
-sOutputFile=- - | \
 /usr/local/bin/pnm2ppa -i - -o -  
else  
  cat $TMP | /usr/local/bin/enscript -B -q -p - | \
  /usr/local/bin/gs -sDEVICE=ppmraw -q -dNOPAUSE -r600 \
  -sOutputFile=- - | \
  /usr/local/bin/pnm2ppa -i - -o -
fi
rm $TMP


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Re: DVD Burners

[Mike Jeays]

On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 14:36 -0500, Sean wrote:
> I would like to add a DVD burner to my system.
> 
> Anyone have recommendations on which ones play nice with FreeBSD?
> With so many formats I am trying to decide which one will be my best option.
> 
>   Thanks
>   Sean
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I have an LG DVD burner, which has worked perfectly with FreeBSD from
the day it was installed.  There isn't a model number on the front, but
the dmesg output may help identify it.

acd0: DVDR  at ata1-master UDMA33
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Re: getline function

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On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 21:54 -0500, Tom Grove wrote:
> Is there anyone who can compile a program using the getline() function?  
> Here is a really simple program to recreate the following error:
> 
> ##Error##
> /var/tmp//ccvYIi4C.o(.text+0x26): In function `main':
> : undefined reference to `getline'
> ##Error##
> 
> ##Source File##
> #include 
> 
> int main() {
> char line[10];
> 
> getline(&line, 10);
> printf("%s", line);
> 
> return 0;
> }
> ## Source File##
> 
> -Tom
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I got a bit further by installing the port for getline
(/usr/ports/devel/libgetline), and changed the code slightly to provide
a single parameter. (Look at man getline)

#include 
#include 

int main() {
char line[10]="test";

getline(line);
printf("%s", line);

return 0;
}

chaucer 29 ~/c $ cc -o getline -I/usr/local/include -L/usr/local/lib
getline.c -lgetline
chaucer 30 ~/c $ getline
testnow
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Re: getline function

[Mike Jeays]

On Sat, 2006-02-18 at 13:00 -0500, Tom Grove wrote:
> Mike Jeays wrote:
> > On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 21:54 -0500, Tom Grove wrote:
> >   
> >> Is there anyone who can compile a program using the getline() function?  
> >> Here is a really simple program to recreate the following error:
> >>
> >> ##Error##
> >> /var/tmp//ccvYIi4C.o(.text+0x26): In function `main':
> >> : undefined reference to `getline'
> >> ##Error##
> >>
> >> ##Source File##
> >> #include 
> >>
> >> int main() {
> >> char line[10];
> >>
> >> getline(&line, 10);
> >> printf("%s", line);
> >>
> >> return 0;
> >> }
> >> ## Source File##
> >>
> >> -Tom
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> >
> > I got a bit further by installing the port for getline
> > (/usr/ports/devel/libgetline), and changed the code slightly to provide
> > a single parameter. (Look at man getline)
> >
> > #include 
> > #include 
> >
> > int main() {
> > char line[10]="test";
> >
> > getline(line);
> > printf("%s", line);
> >
> > return 0;
> > }
> >
> > chaucer 29 ~/c $ cc -o getline -I/usr/local/include -L/usr/local/lib
> > getline.c -lgetline
> > chaucer 30 ~/c $ getline
> > testnow
> > testchaucer 31 ~/c $
> I also noticed that this code actually doesn't work...I'm not sure why 
> either but it doesn't output what gets typed.  Notice that the 'now' 
> that gets typed isn't echoed below.
> 
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Yes - that's why I said I "got a bit further", not that I had made it
work.  I have never tried to use it before, and would have to experiment
more.

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Re: getline function

[Mike Jeays]

On Sat, 2006-02-18 at 15:33 -0500, Tom Grove wrote:
> #include 
> #include 
> #include 
> 
> int main() {
> char *line;
> 
> line = readline("Test: ");
> 
> return 0;
> } 

It compiles and works with "gcc -o readline readline.c -l readline". You
need to tell the loader about the library.
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Re: 10 years of "The Complete FreeBSD"

[Mike Jeays]

On Fri, 2006-02-24 at 16:50 +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
> On Thursday, 23 February 2006 at 23:44:30 -0500, David Stanford wrote:
> > On 2/23/06, Greg 'groggy' Lehey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ten years ago today, on 24 February 1996, I submitted for publication
> >> the final version of the first ever book on FreeBSD, "Installing and
> >> Using FreeBSD".  It was later renamed to "The Complete FreeBSD".
> >>
> >> I have always retained full rights to the book, and for today I've
> >> decided to release it for download under the Creative Commons
> >> license.  See more at http://www.lemis.com/grog/Documentation/CFBSD/.
> >
> > Greg,
> >
> > All I can think to say is thanks!
> 
> You (and everybody else) are welcome.
> 
> > I purchased this book nearly a year ago shortly after I began using
> > FreeBSD and it has been an invaluable resource ever since. Now that
> > you have made it publicly available, maybe the FreeBSD project could
> > find a way to merge some of your book in with their own handbook
> 
> That's happened already, as you can easily see by comparing
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/vinum-vinum.html
> with chapter 12 of the book.  The FreeBSD documentation project know
> they can rely on me to contribute documentation where it makes sense.
> 
> > or at least link it on FreeBSD.org for newbies like myself to easily
> > find :).
> 
> That's probably a good idea.  Can somebody from the doc project
> comment?
> 
> Greg
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Here is one more vote of thanks for a very generous contribution to the
community!  My copy is getting quite dog-eared too, and it will be great
to have a machine-readable version.
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Re: dd - cloning a disk.

[Mike Jeays]

On Sun, 2006-03-12 at 16:53 +0300, Andrew Pantyukhin wrote:
> On 3/12/06, Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > It is, with a few 'buts'. Firstly, the source should be mounted
> >
> > but may not - unless system is generally idle. fsck will be checking the
> > copy then, but with success.
> 
> No matter what fsck says later, it's too dangerous. A FreeBSD
> system (as well as any other complicated OS) is never really
> idle in terms of disk I/O.
> 
> 
> On 3/12/06, Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > list sometime in the last 3-5 weeks.  Giorgios Keramidas
> > > commented that "dd" was too slow for his tastes and
> >
> > dd is the fastest, but probably he used small block size. 64K is OK
> 
> dd can be slower than dump/restore in quite a few cases,
> especially when disk is far from full.
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I have done this 'safely', by booting Knoppix, and using dd to copy the
disk in the knowledge that all the UFS filesystems are closed and clean.
Use a large blocksize; you can go a lot bigger than 64K.
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Re: mail backup solution?

[Mike Jeays]

On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 09:28 -0500, Chuck Swiger wrote:
> Pat Maddox wrote:
> > On 3/13/06, Chuck Swiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [ ... ]
> >> The two most common styles of mailboxes are mbox and maildir, and both of 
> >> those
> >> can be backed up at the filesystem level using dump, tar, or anything else.
> > 
> > I've got it set up using maildir.  In the past to back up the mail I
> > just copied the files.  At one point I had to restore from the backup,
> > so I just copied the files back into the original location.  Logging
> > in via imap though, there were no emails to be found.  I've gotten
> > vague "I think you just copy the files" responses, but that didn't
> > work in my case, and I'm not sure what I need to do.
> 
> Did you take a look at an actual mailbox file and confirm that it contained 
> the
> messages you expected?
> 
> Did you restart the IMAP daemon after doing the restore?
> 

Using Evolution, I made a tar backup of the .evolution directory, and
copied it to another machine.  It came nowhere close to working
properly, and was about as annoying to work with as Outlook. It behaved
just like a proprietary product with mysterious file formats, even
though the mailbox files themselves seem to be clean mboxes.  It must
keep configuration data hidden somewhere else.  I am pretty well fed up
with the product, and may switch to Thunderbird.

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Re: Availability of a journaling file system

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On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 06:50 +, Martin Hepworth wrote:
> Hi
> 
> in freebsd this is called softupdates and can be enables using tunefs (see
> the man page).
> 
> If not quite journaling as it does things slightly differently, but achieves
> many of the same effects, like reduced fsck time on boot.
> 
> --
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> 
> On 3/22/06, Luiz Eduardo Guida Valmont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I've had some problems earlier this year due to FreeBSD-6.0 crashing
> > after a few hours of execution (perhaps it's mal-functioning hd's dma,
> > but - simply put - I can't install FreeBSD 2 or 3 times a day to find
> > out! ^^). And so I thought of journaling file systems.
> >
> > I think XFS is being ported to FreeBSD, but last news on the official
> > page (http://people.freebsd.org/~rodrigc/xfs/) dates from December
> > 12th, 2005 (and it's still read-only). So...
> >
> > Is there a journaling file system (rw ready) available? Which one?
> >
> > Another question: how can I completly diable hd dma? -.-"
> >
> > --
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You can disable DMA with the atacontrol command: for example

atacontrol mode ad0 pio4

I have a Maxtor 40GB which won't work in DMA mode with FreeBSD, although
it seems fine with other OSes.  There is a hefty perfomance hit, of
course!


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Re: Availability of a journaling file system

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On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 17:13 +0200, ovidiu wrote:
> Mike Jeays wrote:
> 
> >On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 06:50 +, Martin Hepworth wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Hi
> >>
> >>in freebsd this is called softupdates and can be enables using tunefs (see
> >>the man page).
> >>
> >>If not quite journaling as it does things slightly differently, but achieves
> >>many of the same effects, like reduced fsck time on boot.
> >>
> >>--
> >>martin
> >>
> >>On 3/22/06, Luiz Eduardo Guida Valmont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I've had some problems earlier this year due to FreeBSD-6.0 crashing
> >>>after a few hours of execution (perhaps it's mal-functioning hd's dma,
> >>>but - simply put - I can't install FreeBSD 2 or 3 times a day to find
> >>>out! ^^). And so I thought of journaling file systems.
> >>>
> >>>I think XFS is being ported to FreeBSD, but last news on the official
> >>>page (http://people.freebsd.org/~rodrigc/xfs/) dates from December
> >>>12th, 2005 (and it's still read-only). So...
> >>>
> >>>Is there a journaling file system (rw ready) available? Which one?
> >>>
> >>>Another question: how can I completly diable hd dma? -.-"
> >>>
> >>>--
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> >You can disable DMA with the atacontrol command: for example
> >
> >atacontrol mode ad0 pio4
> >
> >I have a Maxtor 40GB which won't work in DMA mode with FreeBSD, although
> >it seems fine with other OSes.  There is a hefty perfomance hit, of
> >course!
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> Did you tried with different ATA cable? I've solved this kind of issues 
> every time by changing the cable or by lower-ing the settings for ATA, 
> like instead of ATA133 to use ATA100, or ATA66.
> 
> #atacontrol list
> #atacontrol mode ad0 ATA66
> 
> Try that, if it works, try ATA100.
> Your hard drive, motherboard and your cable, all must be ATA100 to 
> support that speed.
> 
> 
> 
> 

Yes, I tried different cables and different DMA settings.  Only PIO mode
works with this disk, motherboard and FreeBSD.  It used to work with an
earlier version of FreeBSD, I think 4.9.  I don't know if FreeBSD has
been a bit 'over-tuned' to work with this disk, or it is simply a disk
that is starting to go bad.  I don't really want to waste any more time
experimenting with it - I have just put the disk on the shelf for now.
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Re: best way to use cp?

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On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 12:38 -0600, Jonathan Horne wrote:
> ok, tell them dumb linux user how to properly copy directories recursivly,
> so he can stop overwritng directories with source files.
> 
> /humor
> 
> ok seriously, tho, i think im doing it wrong.  last night i blasted some
> directories, and when i looked at the destination of where i was supposed to
> be copying to, it was full of all kinds of junk that was supposed to be in
> the top level of the directories i was copying.
> 
> example, i want to copy /mnt/usb1/path/oldfolder  (the folded all its
> recursive contents) into /home/mydir
> 
> im pretty sure i have the syntax wrong, so could someone enlighten me?
> 
> thanks!
> jonathan
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cp -Rp /mnt/usb1/path/oldfolder/ /home/mydir/

Note the trailing slash on the source directory.  For more information,
see "man cp".  -R says to copy recursively down through directories, and
-p says to preserve permissions, dates and times etc.



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Re: USB drive questions

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On Sat, 2004-06-19 at 09:13, stan wrote:
> I had a vendor give me a USB memory stick as a promotional giveaway
> yesterday. Kind of amazing theat they have gotten cheap enough for this.
> 
> In any case, I pluged it into my laptop with STABLE on it (cvsuped last
> weekend). It recognized the device, and told me it was a generic USB
> storage deviec. 
> 
> How can I mount this device? 
> 
> Also, when I unplug it I get a panic. I do have, what I think are, the
> correct defines in my kernel config.
> 
> What might I be doing wrong?

As root, mkdir /flash
mount -t msdos /dev/da0s1 /flash

Or add the following line to /etc/fstab

/dev/da0s1 /flash  msdos   rw,noauto   0   0

and then simply issue "mount /flash"


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RE: [WAAAY OT]

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On Thu, 2004-07-01 at 20:43, Eric Crist wrote:
> That's it!  Reason for my question was that a buddy asked me as a trivia
> question.  Bet me $50 I couldn't figure it out (we both agreed any
> method I could use was OK) by the time he left for Vancouver, WA
> tomorrow morning.
> 
> Thanks guys.
> 
> 
> 
> Eric F Crist
> President
> AdTech Integrated Systems, Inc
> (612) 998-3588
> 
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Baron Fujimoto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 7:45 PM
> > To: Eric Crist
> > Subject: RE: [WAAAY OT]
> >
> >
> > ahh, I didn't realize that's what you were asking.  I've seen
> > at least one reference that speculates that "I" was for
> > Intensity, though even there they acknowledge dispute over
> > the etymology.  I always just assumed it was a standard
> > chosen to minimize ambiguity with many other common physical
> > properties.
> >
>   http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_1/chpt_2/1.html
> 
> On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, Eric Crist wrote:
> 
> : Thanks for all your responses, but I still don't have the information
> : I'm seeking.  The letter I in Ohm's Law is short for an english word,
> : such as E is short for Electromotive Force (or Voltage), and R is
> short
> : for Resistance.
> :
> :
> : > -Original Message-
> : > From: Luke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> : > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 7:24 PM
> : > To: Eric Crist
> : > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> : > Subject: Re: [WAAAY OT]
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : > > Anyone know what the ACTUAL definition/word for I in Ohm's
> : > Law is?  I
> : > > know:
> : > >
> : > > E= Electromotive Force
> : > > R= Resistance
> : > > I= ?  (I know it's amperage, but what does I mean?)
> : >
> : > Impedance
> 
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I am afraid it doesn't stand for impedance.  It is the symbol used for
current throughout electromagnetic theory, and I don't think it does
stand for an English word.

Your are right it is off topic!

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Re: excluding from tar

[Mike Jeays]

On Sat, 2004-07-10 at 22:55, D Golden wrote:
> I've created a tar archive of my entire system, but I want to exclude
> everything in /proc , /usr/ports, and the FILE /usr/backup.tar when
> updating the archive. I've tried:
> 
> 1. cd / && tar -vu --file /usr/backup.tar * --exclude=/proc
> --exclude=/usr/ports --exclude=/usr/backup.tar
> 
> 2. cd / && tar -vu --file /usr/backup.tar * --exclude=/proc/*
> --exclude=/usr/ports/* --exclude=/usr/backup.tar
> 
> 3. cd / && tar -vu -X /root/nodump --file /usr/backup.tar *
> 
> and in /root/nodump I have 3 lines:
> 
> /proc   # Also tried /proc/*
> /usr/ports  # Also tried /usr/ports/*
> /usr/backup.tar
> 
> However, in all three examples, /proc , /usr/ports, and the FILE get updated.
> 
> What am I missing?
> 
> Dana
> 
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Tar removes the leading "/" from file names before doing the comparison,
so you have to leave them out in the --exclude strings.  Try
usr/ports/*, for example, instead of /usr/ports/*.


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Re: I downloaded everything to no avail! ISO's fail to burn

[Mike Jeays]

Jerry Schromm wrote:

Hi everyone, I am not sure how this works or if I will ever get feedback. Anyway I 
just discovered FreeBSD yesterday. I read all about it and I am excited to intrigue 
myself with this new pc adventure. Sounds great and I will learn something about code 
at the same time. I feel it had a kind of old school feeling to it, at the same time 
cutting edge technology. I am a believer in it's viability over Microsofts Windows. 
They love to hide information from us not inform us.
The reason I am writing. I downloaded the 5.2.1 IS0's. I burned the boot disk successfully it seems. But I tried to burn the first big ISO file and it failed to burn. Some type of burn error following the track or something. Then I tried that other download that isn't the ISO but the regular files. That wouldn't do anything either. It burned but I can't instal it. That doesn't boot. Or install in anyway. 

I am wondering if FreeBSD is actually free or is this a way to get us to order the 
retail box lol. I don't want to feel that way. Yestersay I was so excited about this. 
I hope you can enlighten me some.
Thanks a lot,
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Yes, it really is free!  Something must have gone wrong when you
downloaded the ISO image - I and many others have been able to
burn a bootable CD, using either FreeBSD, Linux or one of the
proprietary packages operating under Windows.  There is usually
an option for creating a CD from a CD image; this is the one to
use.
If you buy the CD set, you get 4 CDs with a large collection of
packages, and have the convenience of having them there.  But
you can get everything at no charge from www.freebsd.org if
you prefer.
FreeBSD is a great OS - I have been using it as my home desktop
since 1997.
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Re: How to install GIMP

[Mike Jeays]

On Tue, 2004-07-13 at 00:44, Jonathan Chen wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 08:43:18AM +0100, Oryx wrote:
> > Hi, i'm just wondering how I could install gimp onto my box, I have
> > the package stuff but I don't know how to install it via console (i'm
> > new to freebsd by the way)
> 
> If you have the package:
> 
> # pkg_add 
> 
> If you don't have the package, but have a internet connection you can
> build it from source using the ports system:
> 
> # cd /usr/ports/graphics/gimp
> # make install clean
> 
> Cheers.

You should also be able to install the package directly off the internet
by executing the command:
  pkg_add -r gimp
This will produce the same results as the ports system, but is a
bit faster.  It will find the current version "automagically".  It is an
impressive feature of FreeBSD.

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Gnome screensavers

[Mike Jeays]

I am blown away by the variety of screen-savers that come with GNOME.  I
have been running it for about 4 months, and there are still new ones
that I haven't seen before.

Is there a mechanism running to download new ones automatically, that
may be adding to my collection without me being aware of it?  I am sure
there weren't that many when I installed it.

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RE: Porting new Software into FreeBSD

[Mike Jeays]

On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 02:12, Eric Crist wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> have not yet found a way to port it into FreeBSD ports. Can any body
> >> tell me how its done. Are there any documentation on how to do this?
> >>
> >> The new software is called RURS (Remote Unix Recovery Service).
> Simply
> >> said, it is the same as WINDOWS Gost utility.
> >
> > we already have dd and rsh. it's of course not the same as
> > WINDOWS Gost (or maybe ghost). it's much better and fer much
> > easier to use. ___
> 
> IMHO, It shouldn't be about what we (the freebsd community) already
> have, but what others have to offer.  Please just help point him in the
> right direction (I don't know in this case), rather than say, 'We
> already have something like that, go away.'  This RURS application *may*
> be better in some ways than dd or rsh alone.
> 
> Thanks for being a part of the community.
> 
> Eric F Crist
> 
> 
> Found on Conan O'Brian:
> Children's books written by celebrities;
>By Mel Gibson: Jesus Christ and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very
> Bad Day.
> 
> -
> Keep your powder dry and your pecker hard and the world WILL turn.
> 
> -
> Eric F Crist
> 
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How about "g4u", a "Ghost for Unix" application that is described in Dru
Lavigne's new book "BSD Hacks", and which is available from
http://theatomicmoose.ca/g4u. I haven't tried it, and don't see it in
the ports collection, but it sounds as if it does a similar job to RURS.

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Writing multi-platform applications

[Mike Jeays]

Apologies if this is a bit off topic.

I have been pushing the idea at work that we should write all
applications so that they are OS-agnostic. They should work equally well
(as far as that is possible...) on both the Windows platform, and any
reasonable Unix.  I have quoted as good examples OpenOffice, GIMP,
Apache, MySQL, as proofs that it can be done.

This seems a good way to preserve our investment in home-grown software.
At present we are facing significant costs in migrating 25-year old
applications off our IBM mainframe, and we often need such long
lifetimes.

What libraries and other methods are used to ensure this works with
minimal changes in highly graphical applications such as OpenOffice? Can
anyone direct me useful places to research it further?

Thanks in advance.


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Re: rl0: watchdog timeout

[Mike Jeays]

> I have no first hand experience with this particular problem, but it's
> almost common knowledge RealTek nics are great because they are cheap,
> not because they are of good quality. The phrase "piece of crap" has
> been uttered more than once in relation to these nics.
> 

I have three of them, and have had no trouble at all so far, in a
low-activity home network.  I wouldn't buy them for servers at work,
though.

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Copying a directory hierarchy

[Mike Jeays]

How does on copy a complete directory hierarchy, including any hidden
files?

"cp -rp" leaves them out.

Some versions of cp seem to have a '-a' flag which will make it copy
them, but it isn't available in the FreeBSD version.  Is there a trick,
or something obvious I have missed?


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Re: Copying a directory hierarchy

[Mike Jeays]

On Tue, 2004-12-21 at 21:08, Robert Huff wrote:
> Mike Jeays writes:
> 
> >  How does on copy a complete directory hierarchy, including any hidden
> >  files?
> >  
> >  "cp -rp" leaves them out.
> 
>   cp -rp *
>   cp -rp .*
> 
> 
>   Robert Huff
> 
> 
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This doesn't copy hidden files in lower-level directories, only in the
top level.  Thanks for the suggestion - a good idea that doesn't quite
do it.

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Re: crontab file

[Mike Jeays]

On Thu, 2004-12-30 at 12:15, Leon wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I edited "crontab" file to update my ports every day at certain time.
> But , when time comes, I do not see any information on the screen, that 
> something was updated.
> Should the system sow any information about update or not?
> If not, how can I check If ports was updated?
> 
> Thanks,
> Leon.
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If the crontab job writes to stdout or stderr, this will be mailed back
to you.  There is no immediate output on the screen from a crontab job. 
Check your mail - look in /var/mail/your-user-id or /var/mail/root if
you don't have a mail client running.

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Re: Problems with digital camera

[Mike Jeays]

On Sat, 2005-01-01 at 15:20, Louis LeBlanc wrote:
> On 01/01/05 02:01 PM, Trey Sizemore sat at the `puter and typed:
> > On Sat, 2005-01-01 at 13:43 -0500, Louis LeBlanc wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > No, my reader has to be plugged in at boot, but inserting the card
> > > works on the fly.  Your device may be different, but mine has always
> > > been /dev/da0s1 for the card itself.
> > > 
> > > The /dev partition is pretty manageable in 5.3, so you might try an
> > > ls /dev 
> > > and look for /dev/da0*.  It might just jump out at you.  I do an ls
> > > before inserting the card, and I see da0, but not da0s1.  After
> > > inserting the card, da0s1 is there.  Sometimes it's instantaneous,
> > > other times it takes a couple attempts to mount, but it works.
> > > 
> > > Perhaps someone else on the list will know how to get the reader
> > > detected on the fly without a reboot, or perhaps the command to check
> > > the reader for an inserted card?
> > > 
> > > I had thought camcontrol was it, but it doesn't seem to recognize that
> > > the card was removed.
> > > 
> > > Lou
> > 
> > Well, I've removed the entries in /boot/loader.conf (seemed redundant),
> > connected the SanDisk with card to the desktop, and rebooted. Here is
> > the output of dmesg (I also have a Epson Stylus C84 connected to the USB
> > hub and it doesn't appear to be detected either):
> > 
> > 
> > Copyright (c) 1992-2004 The FreeBSD Project.
> > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 
> > 1994
> > The Regents of the University of California. All rights 
> > reserved.
> > FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE #0: Fri Nov  5 04:19:18 UTC 2004
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
> > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
> > CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz (2800.12-MHz 686-class CPU)
> >   Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id = 0xf29  Stepping = 9
> >   
> > Features=0xbfebf9ff > R,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE>
> > real memory  = 536805376 (511 MB)
> > avail memory = 515616768 (491 MB)
> > npx0: [FAST]
> > npx0:  on motherboard
> > npx0: INT 16 interface
> > acpi0:  on motherboard
> > acpi0: Power Button (fixed)
> > Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000
> > acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0
> > cpu0:  on acpi0
> > acpi_button0:  on acpi0
> > pcib0:  port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0
> > pci0:  on pcib0
> > agp0:  mem 0xe000-0xe3ff at 
> > device 0.0 on pci0
> > pcib1:  at device 1.0 on pci0
> > pci1:  on pcib1
> > pci1:  at device 0.0 (no driver attached)
> > pcm0:  port 0xe800-0xe81f irq 11 at device 9.0 on 
> > pci0
> > pcm0: 
> > fwohci0:  mem 0xd000-0xdfff irq 11 at device 
> > 10.0 on pci0
> > fwohci0: OHCI version 1.10 (ROM=1)
> > fwohci0: No. of Isochronous channels is 4.
> > fwohci0: EUI64 00:00:4c:02:00:00:00:90
> > fwohci0: Phy 1394a available S400, 2 ports.
> > fwohci0: Link S400, max_rec 2048 bytes.
> > firewire0:  on fwohci0
> > fwe0:  on firewire0
> > if_fwe0: Fake Ethernet address: 02:00:4c:00:00:90
> > fwe0: Ethernet address: 02:00:4c:00:00:90
> > fwe0: if_start running deferred for Giant
> > sbp0:  on firewire0
> > fwohci0: Initiate bus reset
> > fwohci0: node_id=0xc800ffc0, gen=1, CYCLEMASTER mode
> > firewire0: 1 nodes, maxhop <= 0, cable IRM = 0 (me)
> > firewire0: bus manager 0 (me)
> > uhci0:  port 0xdc00-0xdc1f irq 5 at 
> > device 16.0 on pci0
> > uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
> > usb0:  on uhci0
> > usb0: USB revision 1.0
> > uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
> > uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
> > uhci1:  port 0xe000-0xe01f irq 11 at 
> > device 16.1 on pci0
> > uhci1: [GIANT-LOCKED]
> > usb1:  on uhci1
> > usb1: USB revision 1.0
> > uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
> > uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
> > uhci2:  port 0xe400-0xe41f irq 11 at 
> > device 16.2 on pci0
> > uhci2: [GIANT-LOCKED]
> > usb2:  on uhci2
> > usb2: USB revision 1.0
> > uhub2: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
> > uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
> > pci0:  at device 16.3 (no driver attached)
> > isab0:  at device 17.0 on pci0
> > isa0:  on isab0
> > atapci0:  port 
> > 0xfc00-0xfc0f,0x376,0x170-0x177,0x3f6,0x1f0-0x1f7 at device 17.1 on p
> > ci0
> > ata0: channel #0 on atapci0
> > ata1: channel #1 on atapci0
> > vr0:  port 0xd800-0xd8ff mem 
> > 0xdfffee00-0xdfffeeff irq 5 at device 18

Re: Remote upgrade possible?

[Mike Jeays]

On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 23:26, Tabor Kelly wrote:
> Laurence Sanford wrote:
> > Joseph Koenig (jWeb) wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > This is possible, however you are always taking a chance when you 
> > installworld without going to single user mode first. That said, I make 
> > a habit out of pushing my luck with systems I have in front of me by 
> > going so far as to make installworld while using an xterm in X-windows. 
> 
> I routinely use 'portupgrade -rRN' in xterm, in X-Windows to install new 
> ports on my box. The second to last time I did this, one of the ports 
> what was upgraded was xterm. And it worked! Can anybody explain to my 
> why nothing bad happened? Am I running a risk when I do this?

This seems pretty safe to me. When xterm gets invoked, the whole of the
code gets loaded into memory for execution, and there is no reason why
it would look at the disk copy again.  If you upgrade the xterm binary,
nothing will happen to xterms that are already running.  If you create
new ones, you will get the new version.  I am more surprised that there
are still any udpdates being made to xterm - it must have been
essentially stable for years now.


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RE: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java

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> Only the Java Cryptography Extension is unavailable as source.  More info
> is of course available on the FreeBSD Java mailing list.

So why would anyone trust it?

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mkisofs and growisofs

[Mike Jeays]

Where are they?  They don't seem to exist on my 5.3 system, and I can't
find any trace of them in /usr/ports.  pkg_add -r doesn't find them
either.

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Re: mkisofs and growisofs

[Mike Jeays]

On Sun, 2005-01-09 at 09:58, Fabian Keil wrote:
> On Sunday 09 January 2005 14:46, Mike Jeays wrote:
> > Where are they?  They don't seem to exist on my 5.3 system, and I can't
> > find any trace of them in /usr/ports.  pkg_add -r doesn't find them
> > either.
> 
> /usr/ports/sysutils/dvd+rw-tools/ contains growisofs,
> mkisofs is part of /usr/ports/sysutils/cdrtools.
> 
> Regards
> Fabian
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Thanks very much.  They both installed fine once I was told where they
are!


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Re: mkisofs and growisofs

[Mike Jeays]

On Sun, 2005-01-09 at 11:35, Tom Vilot wrote:
> Mike Jeays wrote:
> 
> >Thanks very much.  They both installed fine once I was told where they
> >are!
> >
> 
> My avenue of last resort is this:
> 
> cd /usr/ports
> find . -type f -name pkg-descr | xargs grep -i 
> 
> where  is what I remember the program name to be (cdrecord, etc)
> 
> Also kinda handy if you have no idea what the name is but you know you 
> want something like, say, "audio compression":
> 
> cd /usr/ports/audio
> find . -type f -name pkg-descr | xargs grep -i compres
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I tried 'find /usr/ports -name "mkiso*"' before submitting my question.
It yielded nothing because mkisofs is 'hidden' inside cdrtools. I guess
I ought to have known this, as I have used if for a couple of years, but
I had forgotten.


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Re: X11 configuration at 5.3 ?

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On Mon, 2005-01-17 at 10:24, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> On 2005-01-17 14:44, Frank Bonnet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > how is called the X11 configuration tool at 5.3 ?
> 
> It is called `xorgcfg'.  Try running as root:
> 
>   # xorgcfg -textmode
> 
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I had a lot of difficulty when I installed 5.3, even though I have been
configuring X since FreeBSD 2.1.5.  The tools seem to have taken a step
backwards with xorg.  xorgcfg -textmode seems to result in a bad
configuration file, and in graphical mode, it is very obscure, and does
not show scroll bars on list boxes and the like.

Having to run Knoppix (which gets it right without asking any questions
at all) isn't a very satisfying solution.

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Re: X11 configuration at 5.3 ?

[Mike Jeays]

On Mon, 2005-01-17 at 19:21, John wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 07:12:16PM -0500, Mike Jeays wrote:
> > On Mon, 2005-01-17 at 10:24, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> > > On 2005-01-17 14:44, Frank Bonnet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > how is called the X11 configuration tool at 5.3 ?
> > > 
> > > It is called `xorgcfg'.  Try running as root:
> > > 
> > >   # xorgcfg -textmode
> > > 
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> > I had a lot of difficulty when I installed 5.3, even though I have been
> > configuring X since FreeBSD 2.1.5.  The tools seem to have taken a step
> > backwards with xorg.  xorgcfg -textmode seems to result in a bad
> > configuration file, and in graphical mode, it is very obscure, and does
> > not show scroll bars on list boxes and the like.
> > 
> > Having to run Knoppix (which gets it right without asking any questions
> > at all) isn't a very satisfying solution.
> 
> I agree about the tools, but...
> 
> I am having VERY good luck with the steps in section 5.4 of
> the handbook:
> 1) X -configure
> 2) Test the config where it stands by starting X directly
> 3) Add monitor or any other information you need
> 4) Copy it to a standard location
> Done!  Up and running! (but see the handbook pages)
> 
> For laptops, I have found it very helpful to glean the flat panel display
> info from /var/logs/Xorg.0.log where it is put.
> 
> I have had very BAD luck using the config scripts.  They left me with
> locked up or unreadable systems.

Yes, next time I am going to follow the handbook to the letter!  And I
shall also carefully preserve my old configuration files, just in case.

By now, I have installed several Linux distributions, and last night I
tried Freesbie 1.1 for the first time.  They all seem to get the right
answers automatically, which proves it can be done at least for some
machines.

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Re: FreeBSD I LOVE YOU

[Mike Jeays]

On Wed, 2005-01-19 at 15:10, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
> faisal gillani writes:
> 
> fg> hmmm exactly right .. u know i have a 750MHz At halon
> fg> with 256MB ram .. & still my processor is 80% idle
> fg> most of the time ..
> fg> i also have some windows server on my network but
> fg> thats a compulsory rather then choice .
> 
> I'm gradually migrating legacy aps off my older NT server and I think it
> might be extremely interesting to install FreeBSD on that machine once
> it is free--if only I could persuade it to boot from diskette (for some
> reason, the diskette drive no longer seems to be recognized by the OS).
> It's an old HP Vectra, but like all vintage HP high-end machines, it
> still works perfectly, after nearly a decade of continuous use.
> 
> Can anyone tell me how to install FreeBSD on a machine that is running
> Windows NT and refuses to boot from CD or from diskette?  I don't
> suppose there's any magic program I could run from NT that would start a
> FreeBSD installation, is there?

I presume you have tried changing the boot order in the BIOS settings? 
You should be able to make the CD or floppy drive come ahead of the hard
disk in the boot sequence.

My apologies if this is too trivial an answer!

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Re: Please help if you can

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On Sat, 2005-03-05 at 09:41, Chuck Swiger wrote:
> Chris wrote:
> > I would like to know if this OS platform supports your everday and ever so
> > standard .EXE applications.
> 
> Yes, FreeBSD will run standalone executable code in the various .exe and .dll 
> formats, although people often use Wine or a similiar emulator if they want 
> to 
> have a more complete Windows environment available while using FreeBSD.

Surely not.  I have never heard it suggested before that FreeBSD will
run Windows .exe binaries directly.  I would have thought that you would
have to use Wine or Crossover Office.
> 
> > Basically, I am wondering if FreeBSD is compatible to all of the endless
> > softwares out there that "require" you to be using a certain version of
> > Microsoft Windows?
> 
> All of the software?  No.
> 
> Not that most Windows software is portable enough the run on all flavors of 
> Windows itself: there's plenty of old 16-bit stuff which won't work on a 
> modern Win32 platform (WinXP, 2003, etc), just as there is a huge amount of 
> stuff written today which won't run on Windows 3.1.
> 
> That being said, FreeBSD doesn't come with the Windows DLL's that many 
> programs use.  But they and other resources like TrueType fonts can be used 
> if 
> you migrate them, and if you check the ports collection you you find ways of 
> using Flash and RealPlayer and video codec stuff like that if you really want 
> to.  Stability may suffer somewhat compared with purely native FreeBSD apps, 
> but if people want to view websites in Flash (or be advertised to, more 
> accurately), they can.
> 
> See http://www.freebsd.org/ports/
> 
> > I'm not a computer genius (though for some reason many label me as that)
> > but I know my way around the Windows platform quite well. I am not an
> > advanced programmer in any sort, but I do try and have several different
> > types of programming software.
> 
> Don't worry about it-- I promise that we won't call you a computer genius if 
> you don't want us to.  I make no comment on what might happen in the converse 
> situation, but I suggest verifying your sense of humor beforehand.

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Re: Please help if you can

[Mike Jeays]

On Sat, 2005-03-05 at 11:33, Chuck Swiger wrote:
> Mike Jeays wrote:
> >>Yes, FreeBSD will run standalone executable code in the various .exe and 
> >>.dll 
> >>formats, although people often use Wine or a similiar emulator if they want 
> >>to 
> >>have a more complete Windows environment available while using FreeBSD.
> > 
> > Surely not.  I have never heard it suggested before that FreeBSD will
> > run Windows .exe binaries directly.  I would have thought that you would
> > have to use Wine or Crossover Office.
> 
> Notice the term "standalone".  The overwhelming majority of Windows .exe 
> binaries use DLLs or make system calls which will not work under FreeBSD, 
> which means that even "Hello world" compiled on Windows will not run directly 
> on FreeBSD.  However, something as simple as:
> 
> int foo()
> {
>  return 1 + 2;
> }
> 
> ...gets turned into:
> 
> 0x0 :  push   %ebp
> 0x1 :mov%esp,%ebp
> 0x3 :mov$0x3,%eax
> 0x8 :leave
> 0x9 :ret
> 0xa :   mov%esi,%esi
> 
> ...or "5589e5cb803009c389f6" in hex.
> 
> x86 assembly is x86 assembly, and this binary sequence if compiled on Windows 
> would still run under FreeBSD.  In practice, people use Wine or developers go 
> to some trouble to integrate the Windows-based dependencies for native 
> software like Flash or video codecs to go, also consider the NDISulator 
> project which uses Windows-based wireless drivers under FreeBSD.

Thanks for the education!  I am still amazed, and will try it for myself
when I have a few minutes.

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Re: Mounting iomega zip drive

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On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 17:16, E. J. Cerejo wrote:
>  --- Mike Jeays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu: 
> > On Mon, 2005-02-21 at 19:34, E. J. Cerejo wrote:
> > > I use to be able to mount my paralell zip drive
> > with
> > > the following command under Fbsd 4.x:
> > > 
> > > mount -t msdos /dev/da0s4 /zip
> > > 
> > > now I'm running 5.3 I can't, what changed?
> > > 
> > > I noticed that there is only da0 in my /dev
> > directory,
> > > I have this in my kernel:
> > > 
> > > # SCSI peripherals
> > > devicescbus   # SCSI bus (required for SCSI)
> > > #device   ch  # SCSI media changers
> > > deviceda  # Direct Access (disks)
> > > #device   sa  # Sequential Access (tape etc)
> > > deviceatapicam# emulate ATAPI devices as
> > SCSI
> > > ditto via CAM
> > > devicecd  # CD
> > > devicepass# Passthrough device (direct SCSI
> > > access)
> > > #device   ses # SCSI Environmental Services (and
> > > SAF-TE)
> > > 
> > > do I need anything else?
> > > 
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> > Try running "cdrecord -scanbus", and see if the
> > device number is
> > different.  This sounds somewhat similar to a
> > problem I was having with
> > a flash drive and DVD-burner.
> 
>  scsibus0:
> 0,0,0 0) *
> 0,1,0 1) *
> 0,2,0 2) *
> 0,3,0 3) *
> 0,4,0 4) *
> 0,5,0 5) *
> 0,6,0 6) 'IOMEGA  ' 'ZIP 100 '
> 'K.05' Removable Disk
> 0,7,0 7) *
> scsibus2:
> 2,0,0   200) 'JLMS' 'DVD-ROM LTD-166S'
> 'DS0E' Removable CD-ROM
> 2,1,0   201) 'LITE-ON ' 'LTR-40125S  '
> 'ZS0K' Removable CD-ROM
> 2,2,0   202) *
> 2,3,0   203) *
> 2,4,0   204) *
> 2,5,0   205) *
> 2,6,0   206) *
> 2,7,0   207) *
> 
> Aparently it's there on device 0.  Any ideas?
> 
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Not many.  I would try to muddle my way through, with attempts like:

mount -t msdos /dev/da0 /zip
mount -t msdos /dev/da0sx /zip, for x=1 to 4 (the 4 you have already
tried)

Then in desperation:
mount -t msdos /dev/da6 /zip
mount -t msdos /dev/da6sx /zip for x=1 to 4

mount -t msdos /dev/afd0 /zip

Maybe someone else will have a better understanding of the device number
mappings.  I clearly don't.

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Re: beastie.4th language ?

[Mike Jeays]

On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 16:13, McCy Ron wrote:
> Starting Forth by Leo Brodie is a good book on Forth.
> http://www.forth.org/   will offer other tutorialsl.
> 
> Jerry McAllister wrote:
> 
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>My question might seem basic. Nevertheless I didn't find the answer on
> >>the net. Excuse me in case I did look seriously enough, which might
> >>afterall, be the case.
> >>
> >>The files under the /boot directory on FreeBSD : beastie.4th and the
> >>included ones screen.4th and frames.4th are obviously written in a
> >>certain scripting language.
> >>
> >>What is this language ?
> >>Can I get a turorial for this scripting language ?
> >>Or even a reference manual ?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I believe the language is Forth.   It is a fairly esotheric language
> >that is used because it has a very small footprint and is still
> >quite flexible.   I don't know about tutorials, but I have seen 
> >an occasional book on it.  I had one and actually installed Forth
> >on a machine and tried to learn it once, several years ago but the 
> >rewards/effort ratio got to me and I haven't gone back to it.
> >
> >jerry
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Any URL or suggestion would be appreciated.
> >>
> >>Thanks in advance.
> >>
> >>Michel
> >>
> >>
> >>
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If you want to try out FORTH, there is a port available for FreeBSD.  

cd /usr/ports/lang/gforth
make
make install

But it is a bit of a lost art - scripting languages like Perl, Python,
Ruby and TCL are far more productive for most purposes.  FORTH,
nevertheless, is very different and quite fascinating.

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Re: Mounting iomega zip drive

[Mike Jeays]

On Wed, 2005-03-09 at 22:44, E. J. Cerejo wrote:
> --- Mike Jeays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 17:16, E. J. Cerejo wrote:
> > >  --- Mike Jeays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu: 
> > > > On Mon, 2005-02-21 at 19:34, E. J. Cerejo wrote:
> > > > > I use to be able to mount my paralell zip
> > drive
> > > > with
> > > > > the following command under Fbsd 4.x:
> > > > > 
> > > > > mount -t msdos /dev/da0s4 /zip
> > > > > 
> > > > > now I'm running 5.3 I can't, what changed?
> > > > > 
> > > > > I noticed that there is only da0 in my /dev
> > > > directory,
> > > > > I have this in my kernel:
> > > > > 
> > > > > # SCSI peripherals
> > > > > devicescbus   # SCSI bus (required for SCSI)
> > > > > #device   ch  # SCSI media changers
> > > > > deviceda  # Direct Access (disks)
> > > > > #device   sa  # Sequential Access (tape etc)
> > > > > deviceatapicam# emulate ATAPI devices
> > as
> > > > SCSI
> > > > > ditto via CAM
> > > > > devicecd  # CD
> > > > > devicepass# Passthrough device (direct
> > SCSI
> > > > > access)
> > > > > #device   ses # SCSI Environmental Services
> > (and
> > > > > SAF-TE)
> > > > > 
> > > > > do I need anything else?
> > > > > 
> > > > >
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> > > > Yahoo! Messenger 
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> > > > 
> > > > Try running "cdrecord -scanbus", and see if the
> > > > device number is
> > > > different.  This sounds somewhat similar to a
> > > > problem I was having with
> > > > a flash drive and DVD-burner.
> > > 
> > >  scsibus0:
> > > 0,0,0 0) *
> > > 0,1,0 1) *
> > > 0,2,0 2) *
> > > 0,3,0 3) *
> > > 0,4,0 4) *
> > > 0,5,0 5) *
> > > 0,6,0 6) 'IOMEGA  ' 'ZIP 100 '
> > > 'K.05' Removable Disk
> > > 0,7,0 7) *
> > > scsibus2:
> > > 2,0,0   200) 'JLMS' 'DVD-ROM LTD-166S'
> > > 'DS0E' Removable CD-ROM
> > > 2,1,0   201) 'LITE-ON ' 'LTR-40125S  '
> > > 'ZS0K' Removable CD-ROM
> > > 2,2,0   202) *
> > > 2,3,0   203) *
> > > 2,4,0   204) *
> > > 2,5,0   205) *
> > > 2,6,0   206) *
> > > 2,7,0   207) *
> > > 
> > > Aparently it's there on device 0.  Any ideas?
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > >   
> > >   
> > >
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> > 
> > Not many.  I would try to muddle my way through,
> > with attempts like:
> > 
> > mount -t msdos /dev/da0 /zip
> > mount -t msdos /dev/da0sx /zip, for x=1 to 4 (the 4
> > you have already
> > tried)
> > 
> > Then in desperation:
> > mount -t msdos /dev/da6 /zip
> > mount -t msdos /dev/da6sx /zip for x=1 to 4
> > 
> > mount -t msdos /dev/afd0 /zip
> > 
> > Maybe someone else will have a better understanding
> > of the device number
> > mappings.  I clearly don't.
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Re: Recommend a Printer for FreeBSD

[Mike Jeays]

On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 01:04, Sergei Gnezdov wrote:
> My printer is dead.  Can anybody recommend a good printer for FreeBSD:
> - Lazer (black/white)
> - Some colored printer
> 
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Look at www.linuxprinting.org.  Anything that is claimed to work
perfectly will probably work well with FreeBSD - go for ones with
commonly-used drivers.  In general, HP and Epson printers usually work;
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Re: mount

[Mike Jeays]

On Sun, 2005-03-13 at 20:25, Gert Cuykens wrote:
> What happens if you mount something in a directorie that contains
> other directories ?  Can you mount different devices in the same
> directorie ?
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It hides the previous contents of the directory.  The original contents
reappear when you umount the mounted device.

If you mount a second device, it hides the first one until you umount
it.

PS.  You are welcome to ask questions like this, but it is often quicker
to try it and see what happens!

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Re: Mucking with other drive

[Mike Jeays]

On Thu, 2005-03-17 at 11:03, Jerry McAllister wrote:
> > 
> > Jerry,
> > 
> > Well, of course it's going to "muck with the other drive" what
> > do you think writing the MBR does?  Do you want to risk the MS system
> > not booting?  95% of the time it will work OK but what if her system
> > is in that 5% of the time that it doesen't?  You going to go
> > over to her house and fix it?  What if she's got some nutty drive
> > program on there like diskmanager that neither of you know about that
> > is already on the mbr?
> 
> Well, that is true.   That is what I said - except for writing the MBR,
> which is mucking with that other drive, but not installing other stuff
> over the top of things.   I don't know about those percentages.  I have 
> never run in to that situation and had it fail.  Make sure you copy all 
> impossible to replace files before doing anything like that anyway.
> So, where does Carrie live?   Can I drive there?
> 
> > Carrie,
> > 
> > PC bioses only let you boot off of drive C.  If you install this
> > other drive as drive D then during the installation FreeBSD is going
> > to have to write a boot loader onto C so that when the PC boots
> > it will load the boot loader, which will then load the FreeBSD system
> > off drive D.
> 
> Yup.
> 
> > You need to leave well enough alone.  You can pick up older PC's for a
> > song
> > these days.  If you have critical data on your Dell then don't
> > screw with it.  Find some other PC that someone's going to throw away
> > and load FreeBSD on that.  You don't even need a monitor for it, you
> > can telnet/ssh into it from your Dell system easily.
> 
> Sure, if you have that opportunity.But, I'd rather reboot and
> have use of a decently fast recent machine than consign myself to
> an old slow clunker for one or the other systems.
> 
> > 
> > Dual-boot systems never work anyway.  The operator always ends up
> > spending 99% of their time in one operating system.
> 
> Well, if you get used to FreeBSD, probably you will stick with
> that most of the time to get any work done.   But, I find on 
> this machine, I use both of the OSen pretty much every day.
> That is mostly because I have to interact with people who need
> things in MS.
> But, dual boot does work and work quite well, actually.
> 
> jerry
> 
> > 
> > Ted
> > 
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I agree that dual boot works fine, and is quite safe with moderate
care.  An alternative is hard disk caddies, which make it easy to have
different operating systems on different disks, with no possibility
whatsoever of one damaging the other.  Of course, there is an increased
risk that you may drop one of them...

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Re: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD?

[Mike Jeays]

On Fri, 2005-03-18 at 08:06, Christian Tischler wrote:
> Hi,
> I would like to run an MS exchange server. But I am not at all willing 
> to set up an MS box at all. As I know I could run something like VMware 
> virtual server or Wine, but I do not know if such an combination would 
> be stable (sopken in terms of windows stability). The next consideration 
> would be the performance of the overal setup.
> 
> Any hints or suggenstions would be great.
> 
> thx
> 
> Christian
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I have never heard of anyone using Exchange on a non-Windows machine,
and I can't see much point.  The license fee for Exchange swamps the OS
license.  I expect you could run VMWare with Windows as a guest OS, but
for something as critical as your mail server, I would dedicate a
Windows machine to it. I doubt it would work with WINE.

Basically, if you have to hold your nose to run Exchange, you may as
well hold it a little tighter and run Windows.  If not, look at
FreeBSD/Sendmail-or-Postfix/Evolution as a very reliable mail service.

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Re: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD?

[Mike Jeays]

On Sat, 2005-03-19 at 16:22, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
> Christian Tischler writes:
> 
> > Actually the number of users will be quite small, and bandwidth is not
> > an consideration.
> 
> For small installations, I don't think Exchange is really
> cost-effective.  It's quite a monster.  Easy to justify in a large
> organization where all IT projects are monsters, anyway, but expensive
> overkill in a small organization.  Just set up standard SMTP/POP servers
> and go with that.  


> Calendars and the like can be managed just by having
> employees talk to each other (in person, on the phone, or by e-mail).

I have to disagree with this!  In my organization, a government
department with about 6,000 staff, the ability to schedule meetings and
book conference rooms has become an essential part of our computing
infrastructure.  Any attempt to remove these features or reduce their
functionality from that provided by Outlook/Exchange would be met with
considerable hostility and the permanent sidelining of he/she who
proposed it.  A definite career-limiting move.

It is a major reason why we can't go to a fully open source desktop.
> 
> This is especially true if everyone is in the same geographic location.



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