[Foundation-l] Image filter
The ugly content censors are raising their heads again. Just stop it and dont spend any more funds on this. I understand between the lines that it was stopped in order to protect the fundraiser from unwanted discussions in the public. Give as a clear message, that Wikipedia/Wikimedia will never assist in hiding knowledge. Carsten Möller Hamburg Germany > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 1:00 AM, phoebe ayers > wrote: > > > > > Hi MZ and all -- > > > > Project development was put on hold over the winter in favor of more > > pressing priorities, with the agreement of the Board. There is > > currently an open proposal on the table for the Board to vote on > > whether to continue with our original request for an image hiding > > feature; and the ED will take direction from the Board on > the matter. > > We have put that vote off however due to the more time-sensitive and > > generally all-consuming financial discussions of the past couple of > > months. I haven't reported on it one way or the other because the > > timeline for a revote hasn't yet been set. > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 6493 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Controversial content software status - the image filter disguised under a new label
I would like it the other way: Why should some minorities force a worldwide project to obay their point of view regarding images or other controversial content? Why should the german speaking community collect funds for this filtering and hiding project? Every community is free to discuss which image is shown on a article by article basis. And they have the option to use some tricks to show a certain image only after a second click, if they find that approbiate. The German, Austrian and Swiss chapters would love to keep their share of the fundraiser in Europe and have a separate "eurocommons" without the sometimes funny attacks by english speaking users on some images. That would also avoid taxproblems on this side of the pond. I think our financial stake is big enough. Ist not the biblebelt or Hisbollah or Syria or Putin to dicte the rules. Carsten Möller Hamburg Germany > > One thing I've never understood is why the Board wants to > allow the German > Wikipedia community to dictate what will be done in Commons, English > Wikipedia, and dozens of other projects that the German > community has no > stake in. > > If the German Wikipedia does not want the image filter, then > let them opt > out. They genuinely need it less than most other projects ? > they serve a > culturally homogeneous language region whose standards are very > progressive, and they are generally more judicious in the way they use > explicit content. > > But it is not fair to say that other projects can't have the > image filter, > just because the Germans don't want it, or need it. > > German Wikipedia has Pending Changes, English Wikipedia > doesn't. Did we > tell the Germans that because English Wikipedia gave Pending Changes a > thumbs-down, it was verboten for the Germans to have it? > > It's not the German community's place to dictate global WMF policy. > > Andreas > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 6493 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content
> Andreas Kolbe jayen466 at yahoo.com > Mon Oct 10 11:16:21 UTC 2011 > > But when it comes to discussing whether a specific illustration or media file > should be added > to an article, the one criterion nobody seems to raise is whether this is the > type of image or > video a reliably published educational source would include. Instead, we > often hear that > because Wikipedia is not censored, we *must* keep an image or media file in > the article, > *especially so* if it is controversial. Quite on the contrary: To include a specific image in a specific article is part of the editing process. Everyone can follow this process in the history of the article. To filter it away without regard of the context is still regarded as censorship by serious journalists. It doesn't make much difference if the censor is part of the government or the owner of the publishing house. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 3673 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content
Sue wrote: > It is asking me to do something. > But it is not asking me to do the specific thing that has > been discussed over the past several months, and which the Germans > voted against. I may translate: As the German community has voted against filters, I was ordered to circumvent this vote by making some adjustments to the wording. That will not work. The vote was very clear agaist all image filters. The referendum was a farce, as we clearly see. Sorry, somebody is playing games with us. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] News from Germany: White Bags and thinking about a fork
> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 12:58:03 -0700 > From: Erik Moeller > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] > > The vote in German Wikipedia, and most of the discussions to > date, have focused on the specific ideas and mock-ups that > were presented as part of the referendum. Erik, You are wrong. The vote in the German Wikipedia was against _any_ imagefilter. The mockups are considered just as part of the general plan to keep the communities quiet and dilute the resistance into as much aspects as possible. The other idea put forward was to run the fundraiser with slogans like: "Your money for imagefilters" or "We have to pay the Harris report" in the German wikipedia. As that is what the foundation wants to do with the money, nobody can argue against that. Carsten -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 4088 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] News from Germany: White Bags and thinking about a fork
> From: Erik Moeller > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] > > > The literal translation of what was being voted on: > > "Pers?nliche Bildfilter > (Filter, die illustrierende Dateien anhand von > Kategorien der Wikipedia verbergen und vom Leser an- und abgeschaltet > werden k?nnen, vgl. den vorl?ufigen [[Entwurf]] der Wikimedia > Foundation) > sollen entgegen dem Beschluss des Kuratoriums der > Wikimedia Foundation in der deutschsprachigen Wikipedia nicht > eingef?hrt werden und es sollen auch keine Filterkategorien f?r auf > dieser Wikipedia lokal gespeicherte Dateien angelegt werden." > > "Personal image filters >(filters, which hide illustrating files based >on categories and which can be turned on and off by the reader, see >the preliminary [[draft]] by the Wikimedia Foundation) > should, contrary to the Board's decision, not be introduced in the German > Wikipedia, and no filter categories should be created for locally > uploaded content." > Erik, I dont think you are stupid, but the ( ) clearly indicates that the main wording is the outer text. But in order that you a understand it better, i have reformated it for you. I know that, the German wikipedia knows that and the voters have known that. It is time, that everyone with a wikimedia.org email accepts that fact that there is no way to go forward with this image filter nonsense if you dont realise the general opposition and the still growing distrust. You are still try to march forward, not knowing where to go. I still think ist the way to content censorship. Carsten -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 4088 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Show community consensus for Wikilove
> On 10/29/11 12:40 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > There have been LOADS of opportunities where the community > is asked, begged to be involved in what will be the way forward. The most > obvious opportunity has been the Strategy project. At this time the > Wikimedia Foundation is looking for all sorts of volunteers > that are asked to help determine what future functionality will be like. > Specifically I want to mention the need for "language > support teams" and volunteers for our mobile development. > > The position of the WMF as I know it is that it wants very much an > involved community. To be effective, it is important for > the community to be involved early in the process. Sadly the foundation is only able to communicate their wishes when she wants to. The fundraiser banner is always pushed into all communities, we cannot ignore it. Other subjects are more or less hidden in meta and discussed in English only. Vector and the Filter are the latest examples, which caused some resistance. The changes of the terms is another one. The German version was published at the end of the discussion on meta. And there was definetely no announcement like: "Hey, it's time to collect some money" on all pages. So dont tell us again we are too late. Carsten -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 4471 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Image filter brainstorming: Personal filter lists
The only exeptable filter would be a _strictly_ personal one. Stored on the users computer in an encrypeted file, which he can transfer from one computer on his memorystick or CD to the other if logged in with the same username, but not to be shared with others. Never ever to be stored on any computer under the influence of the WMF and paid by money donated in favour of free content. And even that would be a great compromise, as the WMF would provide the tools to limit excess to knowledge. Every other option would make users vulnerable to requests to use the file of "Big Brother" and to update it in regular intervalls. And the foundation respectively the board is not able to suggest a list of images unsuitable to "women in the developing south" or "schools in the bible belt" or "users with red-green blindness" or or. It's time to stop this stupid idea altogether and concentrate not to loose more longtime users. Good editorial work in the open, which includes choice of images. No censors in the background. User:Bahnmoeller -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 4955 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Image filter brainstorming: Personal filter lists
> > ... but -if we want to reach consensus[1]- what we really need to be > discussing is: screwdrivers. > > sincerely, > Kim Bruning > No, we need to harden the wall agaist all attacks by hammers, screwdrivers and drills. We have consensus: Wikipedia should not be censored. > Scattered pieces of the puzzle globe. The WMF is still trying to scatter it in favour of ??? -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 4955 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] The Mediawiki 1.18 image rotation bug
> > It's been a requested feature for a while, Someone finally > > got around to writing it Who has asked for such a silly feature? Every uploader sees the image he/she is uploading and has made the necessary rotation beforehand. But perhaps the same people that organized the Indian desaster or the image filter acclamation were in charge. Or someone posing as "Women from the South" have been asked to request the change (Yes I belive thats a possibility after this years experiance with the WMF) > * How many existing uploads, used on the wikis, were > previously wrongly rotated and were fixed by the feature? Guess: Zero - the uploader had already stored the image in the correct orientation. > * How many existing uploads, used on the wikis, were > previously correctly rotated and were messed up by the feature? Thousends - see the backlog of the bot. And there are more to come for months. > i.e., was there strong reason to apply it to past images, not > just new ones? Don't ask, you need no reason if you work directly with the WMF. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 5153 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
