Re: Flash player on Android
, dN Sent from mbjniy HTC7! מה - Reply message - From: "Jarosław Szczepankiewicz" To: Subject: Flash player on Android Date: Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:48 pm Adobe forums should be better for questions with this target, please give them on their support forums. Adobe commiters on this list are making hard and very needed work in this project and in my opinion should not be bothered by positive / negative communication from Adobe. Here are working hard engineers not PR / product managers. But this is my personal opinion. 2012/4/18 JP Bader : > From the 360Flex conference, I overheard that Adobe will make another > public announcement re: removing the Flashplayer from the Android > market. > > Can someone from Adobe on this list please clarify? If this is true, > what benefit does Adobe derive from making a public announcement that > it is being pulled from the market? How is this message going to be > handled? And what is Adobe saying with it's efforts for a > "consistent" message? How is this message going to be delivered? > > -- > JP Bader > Principal > Zavteq, Inc. > @lordB8r | j...@zavteq.com > 608.692.2468
Re: bay area folks and flash
Sent from my HTC - Reply message - From: "Jonathan Campos" To: Subject: bay area folks and flash Date: Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:33 pm On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Mike Chambers wrote: > I dont think that anyone was arguing that it was. Guys, I don't think this thread is helping anyone. I'd argue that this is only adding to the issue. If you want to keep moving forward I would recommend doing so and stop arguing about what was said. Start contributing to the open source and keep moving forward. -- Jonathan Campos
Re: bay area folks and flash
Sent from my HTC - Reply message - From: "Jonathan Campos" To: Subject: bay area folks and flash Date: Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:33 pm On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Mike Chambers wrote: > I dont think that anyone was arguing that it was. Guys, I don't think this thread is helping anyone. I'd argue that this is only adding to the issue. If you want to keep moving forward I would recommend doing so and stop arguing about what was said. Start contributing to the open source and keep moving forward. -- Jonathan Campos
Re: bay area folks and flash
Sent from my HTC - Reply message - From: "Ariel Jakobovits" To: "flex-dev@incubator.apache.org" Subject: bay area folks and flash Date: Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:40 pm The truth is, it amazes me what exists in the ecosystem of software development on the client today. Adobe is giving up on flash for ria, windows works on only windows, apple only on apple, html and CSS suck across browsers and in terms of features...the only area with stability is the server side where you can work with anything you want and not care about portability. On Apr 18, 2012, at 1:35 AM, איליה גזמן wrote: > I remember some one say once, "*Write once, run anywhere*" (*WORA*)" witch > latter became "Write once, bug anywhere" and this is the future that I see > in HTML5. > > What is the biggest different from HTML5 to flash. Flash Player is managed > by only one Company, Adobe. > HTML5 is running above Chrome, IE, Safari and more... may be after long > time HTML5 will stabilized, but then when you want to modify it, you need > to speak with minimum 3 companies to so. > Adobe is not immune to bugs, but she is the only one who fix > them according to her own goals, more then that, same developers fix bugs > on IE and Chrome. > > I am not sure about what is going to happen but it seams like everyone is > going mad... > > > 2012/4/18 jude > >> Hi Mike, >> >> From the newsletter, "Those of you who attended our meeting on April 16 >> were struck by Lee Brimelow's emphatic exhortation to ActionScript and Flex >> programmers: 'If you want to continue to earn a living, you MUST get your >> head out of the sand and learn about HTML5.'" >> >> We know what it is and what it does. In fact I was at an HTML5 conference >> last weekend to see if anything had changed. Do you know what *the >> speakers*said about JavaScript and HTML5? It's a fundamentally flawed >> environment. >> *They *said that. These weren't Flash developers. They said what we all >> already know. They said Google, who has their own browser (so they would >> know right?), is well aware that it's flawed which is why they were working >> on Dart. But Dart is a lost cause as well because it has to compile down to >> again, a "fundamentally flawed environment". There weren't any Flash >> developers there except the one or two I knew and they didn't say anything. >> They mentioned a lot of neat features spread broadly across browsers that >> would be nice to have one day. BTW These were developers from every >> background and all looking for answers. >> >> I humbly disagree with you. HTML5 is not the answer or an alternative for >> Flash. It has major cross browser issues, bogs down on basic animations >> when it works and it renders and behaves differently in every browser. >> There's no substitute. Effectively, you're abandoning your Flash and Flex >> developers and their clients. What are we supposed to do? HTML5 is not the >> answer. >> >> You said, "...winning back trust and credibility was a long term process, >> one that basically involved us being clear and open about our plans..." >> That's not going to win back trust or credibility. When you take into >> account how your plans affect us, your customers and our clients and your >> business partners (RIM, Facebook, any anyone's that uses or relies on the >> Flash Player) and make decisions that protect all of our interests and >> future as well then you'll have it. >> >> When you say "we're not going to talk about Flex anymore", "HTML5 is a >> better long term choice than Flash", "we're not developing mobile Flash" >> you make a huge impact on all of the developers and businesses using your >> technology. You've put some of them out of business by simple PR mistakes >> (you still haven't fired or hired a PR team???) and by your current stance >> on Flash and HTML5 and your current pigeon holed marketing you've called >> all of our judgement into question because we chose and recommended Flash. >> That marketing or lack of marketing directly affects us. >> >> Judah Frangipane >> >> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Mike Chambers wrote: >> >>> I understand that there is still frustration around all of this, but >>> mischaracterizing what we said doesn't help anyone. >>> >>> In regards to HTML5, we said that Flash is really good at a lot of things >>> (animations, apps, video, casual games, branding experiences, art) and >> that >>> you could continue to use Flash for this type of content. But, >> increasingly >>> over the next couple of years, more and more of this type of stuff is >> going >>> to be done directly in the browser. It is in your interest to at least >>> have a basic understand of the capabilities of HTML5, because your >> clients >>> ARE going to ask you about. Whether you actually learn and use it is up >> to >>> you and your individual projects, but it is in your interest to at least >>> understand the capabilities. >>> >>> As far as the question of "how do we tell our managers
Re: bay area folks and flash
Sent from my HTC - Reply message - From: "Ariel Jakobovits" To: "flex-dev@incubator.apache.org" Subject: bay area folks and flash Date: Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:40 pm The truth is, it amazes me what exists in the ecosystem of software development on the client today. Adobe is giving up on flash for ria, windows works on only windows, apple only on apple, html and CSS suck across browsers and in terms of features...the only area with stability is the server side where you can work with anything you want and not care about portability. On Apr 18, 2012, at 1:35 AM, איליה גזמן wrote: > I remember some one say once, "*Write once, run anywhere*" (*WORA*)" witch > latter became "Write once, bug anywhere" and this is the future that I see > in HTML5. > > What is the biggest different from HTML5 to flash. Flash Player is managed > by only one Company, Adobe. > HTML5 is running above Chrome, IE, Safari and more... may be after long > time HTML5 will stabilized, but then when you want to modify it, you need > to speak with minimum 3 companies to so. > Adobe is not immune to bugs, but she is the only one who fix > them according to her own goals, more then that, same developers fix bugs > on IE and Chrome. > > I am not sure about what is going to happen but it seams like everyone is > going mad... > > > 2012/4/18 jude > >> Hi Mike, >> >> From the newsletter, "Those of you who attended our meeting on April 16 >> were struck by Lee Brimelow's emphatic exhortation to ActionScript and Flex >> programmers: 'If you want to continue to earn a living, you MUST get your >> head out of the sand and learn about HTML5.'" >> >> We know what it is and what it does. In fact I was at an HTML5 conference >> last weekend to see if anything had changed. Do you know what *the >> speakers*said about JavaScript and HTML5? It's a fundamentally flawed >> environment. >> *They *said that. These weren't Flash developers. They said what we all >> already know. They said Google, who has their own browser (so they would >> know right?), is well aware that it's flawed which is why they were working >> on Dart. But Dart is a lost cause as well because it has to compile down to >> again, a "fundamentally flawed environment". There weren't any Flash >> developers there except the one or two I knew and they didn't say anything. >> They mentioned a lot of neat features spread broadly across browsers that >> would be nice to have one day. BTW These were developers from every >> background and all looking for answers. >> >> I humbly disagree with you. HTML5 is not the answer or an alternative for >> Flash. It has major cross browser issues, bogs down on basic animations >> when it works and it renders and behaves differently in every browser. >> There's no substitute. Effectively, you're abandoning your Flash and Flex >> developers and their clients. What are we supposed to do? HTML5 is not the >> answer. >> >> You said, "...winning back trust and credibility was a long term process, >> one that basically involved us being clear and open about our plans..." >> That's not going to win back trust or credibility. When you take into >> account how your plans affect us, your customers and our clients and your >> business partners (RIM, Facebook, any anyone's that uses or relies on the >> Flash Player) and make decisions that protect all of our interests and >> future as well then you'll have it. >> >> When you say "we're not going to talk about Flex anymore", "HTML5 is a >> better long term choice than Flash", "we're not developing mobile Flash" >> you make a huge impact on all of the developers and businesses using your >> technology. You've put some of them out of business by simple PR mistakes >> (you still haven't fired or hired a PR team???) and by your current stance >> on Flash and HTML5 and your current pigeon holed marketing you've called >> all of our judgement into question because we chose and recommended Flash. >> That marketing or lack of marketing directly affects us. >> >> Judah Frangipane >> >> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Mike Chambers wrote: >> >>> I understand that there is still frustration around all of this, but >>> mischaracterizing what we said doesn't help anyone. >>> >>> In regards to HTML5, we said that Flash is really good at a lot of things >>> (animations, apps, video, casual games, branding experiences, art) and >> that >>> you could continue to use Flash for this type of content. But, >> increasingly >>> over the next couple of years, more and more of this type of stuff is >> going >>> to be done directly in the browser. It is in your interest to at least >>> have a basic understand of the capabilities of HTML5, because your >> clients >>> ARE going to ask you about. Whether you actually learn and use it is up >> to >>> you and your individual projects, but it is in your interest to at least >>> understand the capabilities. >>> >>> As far as the question of "how do we tell our managers
Re: Committer call to action @ 360Flex 2012
Sent from my HTC - Reply message - From: "Jun Heider" To: Subject: Committer call to action @ 360Flex 2012 Date: Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:41 pm On Apr 16, 2012, at 2:39 PM, JP Bader wrote: > What if we're not a "committer"? If you're not a "committer" come hang out. The more the merrier. :)
Re: [jira] [Created] (FLEX-47) build_framework.xml build fails to create all the needed files in the swfobject folder
Sent from my HTC - Reply message - From: "Tiayr Cannon (Created) (JIRA)" To: Subject: [jira] [Created] (FLEX-47) build_framework.xml build fails to create all the needed files in the swfobject folder Date: Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:15 pm build_framework.xml build fails to create all the needed files in the swfobject folder -- Key: FLEX-47 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-47 Project: Apache Flex Issue Type: Bug Reporter: Tiayr Cannon Assignee: Bertrand Delacretaz Priority: Minor After running the build_framework.xml not all the required files are available within the swfobject folder. The following files are missing: swfobject.js playerProductInstall.swf -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira
