Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designedto go?
> > [Parenthetically, the listserv is set up incorrectly. I ran listservs, > some twenty something years ago, and the settings on return mail are > backwards.] And I ran mailing lists for many years as well and this is exactly how it should be. Not everyone here are younguns who don't remember pre-web days, there's plenty of retired people with decades of experience of working in IT here. It's all moot anyway. This mailing list has, what, a week of life left in it. > > [and in a homage to days long gone - and the loss of my normal sig > file] I was going to make some snarky comment about your 70+ line / 4500+ character signature, but, TBH, there's not much point. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Mon, 2022-11-07 at 08:47 +0100, Torsten Krah via evolution-list wrote: > Am Mittwoch, dem 02.11.2022 um 20:09 + schrieb Patrick > O'Callaghan: > > What option? Please quote some context when replying, otherwise > > it's > > not clear what you mean. > > In general you are right, but that answer was a reply to only one > option available in that mail from Greg asking if that would be > possible as well, so it is clear even without quoting it - just to be > complete: > > ... > re-homed to a freedesktop.org list > ... Sorry, but it really isn't at all clear unless the reader scrolls back to look at the earlier mail you are replying to, which for some people might mean looking at the archive. That's why we encourage people to always quote the relevant part when replying. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
Am Montag, dem 07.11.2022 um 10:40 + schrieb Patrick O'Callaghan: > Sorry, but it really isn't at all clear unless the reader scrolls > back > to look at the earlier mail you are replying to, which for some > people > might mean looking at the archive. That's why we encourage people to > always quote the relevant part when replying. > > poc I don't expect that people are scrolling if they use the threading info on the mail which puts it where it does belong in evolution - we're on the evolution list, right ;) - with threaded view on it is placed where it should and that people archive their mails on an ongoing discussion ... may happen yes, but in that case => yes they need the archive if they want to have context - or just ignore it ;) So we can agree to disagree on that matter (partly) and move on ;-). cheers -- ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Mon, 2022-11-07 at 11:56 +0100, Torsten Krah via evolution-list wrote: > Am Montag, dem 07.11.2022 um 10:40 + schrieb Patrick O'Callaghan: > > Sorry, but it really isn't at all clear unless the reader scrolls > > back > > to look at the earlier mail you are replying to, which for some > > people > > might mean looking at the archive. That's why we encourage people > > to > > always quote the relevant part when replying. > > > > poc > > I don't expect that people are scrolling if they use the threading > info > on the mail which puts it where it does belong in evolution - we're > on > the evolution list, right ;) - with threaded view on it is placed > where > it should and that people archive their mails on an ongoing > discussion > ... may happen yes, but in that case => yes they need the archive if > they want to have context - or just ignore it ;) > > So we can agree to disagree on that matter (partly) and move on ;-). I think it's unwise to assume that everyone reads mail in the same way, or that everyone keeps every ongoing thread in their mailbox (even assuming there is a precise meaning for "ongoing"). poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designedto go?
I used installed the 3.46.1 (by Flathub.org) version. My OS didn't like it but it did install and the problem I was having is gone. This version is working. The new flathub install software center is not liked by Debian. And the code Debian is installing is a problem. ══ Ellis Michael "Mike" Lieberman | Blog Purok 13, Morales Subd. Brgy Mabuhay, General Santos City, 9500 Philippines ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
Torsten Krah via evolution-list said on Mon, 07 Nov 2022 11:56:54 +0100 >Am Montag, dem 07.11.2022 um 10:40 + schrieb Patrick O'Callaghan: >> Sorry, but it really isn't at all clear unless the reader scrolls >> back >> to look at the earlier mail you are replying to, which for some >> people >> might mean looking at the archive. That's why we encourage people to >> always quote the relevant part when replying. >> >> poc > >I don't expect that people are scrolling if they use the threading info >on the mail which puts it where it does belong in evolution - we're on >the evolution list, right ;) - with threaded view on it is placed where >it should and that people archive their mails on an ongoing discussion >... may happen yes, but in that case => yes they need the archive if >they want to have context - or just ignore it ;) So let me get this straight. Because of your expectations that everybody uses a threaded view (I don't), you don't include context. Is it really that difficult to include quoted context for just the info you put in your reply? SteveT Steve Litt Summer 2022 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/thrive.htm ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Mon, 2022-11-07 at 09:07 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > quoted context Hi, right now the same topic is endlessly discussed on questi...@freebsd.org and on evolution-list@gnome.org . It is discussed every now and then on every computer related mailing list. On questi...@freebsd.org and on evolution-list@gnome.org it's not discussed for the first time, it's not discussed for the second time, it's not discussed for the... If somebody is new to a computer related mailing list or if somebody every now and then makes a mistake, be polite. If a subscriber wants to change common computer mailing list's posting style rules, ignore the subscriber. If an English language mailing list is to old fashioned, because it isn't hip anymore to write from left to right and from top to bottom or to reply by using context, people are free to use a hip media. Everybody is free trying to solve a technical issue by exchanging ideas with spaghetti formatted HTML text and thumbs up icons. The next step is to use software written in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti_code . An insider tip, spaghetti code is the new black. Regards, Ralf PS: I sent this to both lists :p. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Mon, 2022-11-07 at 18:30 +0100, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list wrote: > On Mon, 2022-11-07 at 09:07 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > quoted context > > Hi, > > right now the same topic is endlessly discussed on > questi...@freebsd.org > and on evolution-list@gnome.org . It is discussed every now and then > on > every computer related mailing list. On questi...@freebsd.org and on > evolution-list@gnome.org it's not discussed for the first time, it's > not > discussed for the second time, it's not discussed for the... > > If somebody is new to a computer related mailing list or if somebody > every now and then makes a mistake, be polite. If a subscriber wants > to > change common computer mailing list's posting style rules, ignore the > subscriber. > > If an English language mailing list is to old fashioned, because it > isn't hip anymore to write from left to right and from top to bottom > or > to reply by using context, people are free to use a hip media. > Everybody > is free trying to solve a technical issue by exchanging ideas with > spaghetti formatted HTML text and thumbs up icons. > > The next step is to use software written in > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti_code . > > An insider tip, spaghetti code is the new black. I think it's probably better to drop this discussion, at least for now. We are in the process of trying to decide whether to set up a new list. If people want to discuss correct usage on that new list, if and when it happens, then fine, but for now let's all take a step back. Thanks. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?
On Mon, 2022-11-07 at 20:01 +0800, Mike Lieberman wrote: > The new flathub install software center is not liked by Debian. And > the > code Debian is installing is a problem. Well you must of missed my email I sent to this list as a reply to you asking if you would be willing to upgrade to "Bookworm" which has version 3.46.1-1. Or if you looked at the "Backports" repo to see if it's there. Your problem with using the flathub version is because the Flatpack doesn't honor the dependencies of the distribution. It would be better to upgrade your sources.list file to Bookworm or testing. and then run apt-get dist-upgrade --install-suggests -f -m -y and all the dependencies should be resolved. Currently your have FrankenDebian. -- Tim McConnell ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?
On Mon, 2022-11-07 at 15:15 -0600, Tim McConnell wrote: > Your problem with using the flathub version is because the Flatpack > doesn't honor the dependencies of the distribution. I'm not sure I understand this comment. The whole point of flatpak (and snap) is that it's not _supposed_ to need to worry about the dependencies of the distribution. That's why you'd use it. I am using Ubuntu 20.04 which also provides Evolution 3.36 standard. I'm not ready to upgrade my distribution, but I definitely need a newer Evolution. So, I've installed the flatpak version of Evolution 4.46 and it runs fine for me (except for known issues with this release): ~$ flatpak list NameApplication ID Version Branch Installation ... Evolution org.gnome.Evolution3.46.1 stable system ... I'm not sure about Debian but I don't see why it would be different. Personally I'd be much more wary of changing sources.list to a different distro and just upgrading: that seems like a good way to get a broken system. At least if the flatpak doesn't work it's trivial to get rid of it. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?
On Mon, 2022-11-07 at 16:34 -0500, Paul Smith wrote: > I'm not sure I understand this comment. The whole point of flatpak > (and snap) is that it's not _supposed_ to need to worry about the > dependencies of the distribution. That's why you'd use it. > Which is why they are bad ideas to use. There is no way that ARCH or Gentoo or Kali use the same dependencies. It's called "Dependency Hell" and the theory of FlatPack and SNAP not needing to follow or use a distributions is like walking into a whorehouse, naked and having a million dollars taped to you body. You know you're going to get screwed but you don't know what else you'll get or if it's curable. Changing from "Stable" to "Testing" is trivial and when the apt-get dist-upgrade command gets ran at the release for the newer version it's basically going to do a Distribution Upgrade; it'll move you to the newer version. It's WHY I run Debian, I can set up the system how I want and just upgrade to the newer version. No disk reformat etc etc. In Testing "Bookworm" the Evolution version is 3.46.1-1 currently. So basically you're on the same distro, just the newer version before the release. -- Tim McConnell ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V3
Thanks Patrick, Yes I could not agree more. We need to decide on the new list as the priority. Lets stay on subject. -- Thanks Luigi Cantoni -Original Message- From: Patrick O'Callaghan To: evolution-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2022 18:15:36 + Mailer: Evolution 3.44.4 (3.44.4-2.fc36) On Mon, 2022-11-07 at 18:30 +0100, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list wrote: > On Mon, 2022-11-07 at 09:07 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > quoted context > > Hi, > > right now the same topic is endlessly discussed on > questi...@freebsd.org > and on evolution-list@gnome.org . It is discussed every now and then > on > every computer related mailing list. On questi...@freebsd.org and on > evolution-list@gnome.org it's not discussed for the first time, it's > not > discussed for the second time, it's not discussed for the... > > If somebody is new to a computer related mailing list or if somebody > every now and then makes a mistake, be polite. If a subscriber wants > to > change common computer mailing list's posting style rules, ignore the > subscriber. > > If an English language mailing list is to old fashioned, because it > isn't hip anymore to write from left to right and from top to bottom > or > to reply by using context, people are free to use a hip media. > Everybody > is free trying to solve a technical issue by exchanging ideas with > spaghetti formatted HTML text and thumbs up icons. > > The next step is to use software written in > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti_code . > > An insider tip, spaghetti code is the new black. I think it's probably better to drop this discussion, at least for now. We are in the process of trying to decide whether to set up a new list. If people want to discuss correct usage on that new list, if and when it happens, then fine, but for now let's all take a step back. Thanks. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V3
On Tue, 2022-11-08 at 08:08 +0800, Luigi Cantoni via evolution-list wrote: > Thanks Patrick, > Yes I could not agree more. > We need to decide on the new list as the priority. > > Lets stay on subject. > ___ > evolution-list mailing list > evolution-list@gnome.org > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list Yes please! This list has been more helpful than other methods of Troubleshooting for me an I'm going to loathe losing it. -- Tim McConnell ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?
On Mon, 2022-11-07 at 15:15 -0600, Tim McConnell via evolution-list wrote: > On Mon, 2022-11-07 at 20:01 +0800, Mike Lieberman wrote: > > The new flathub install software center is not liked by Debian. And > > the > > code Debian is installing is a problem. > > Well you must of missed my email I sent to this list as a reply to > you > asking if you would be willing to upgrade to "Bookworm" which has > version 3.46.1-1. Or if you looked at the "Backports" repo to see if > it's there. > Your problem with using the flathub version is because the Flatpack > doesn't honor the dependencies of the distribution. It would be > better > to upgrade your sources.list file to Bookworm or testing. and then > run > apt-get dist-upgrade --install-suggests -f -m -y and all the > dependencies should be resolved. Currently your have FrankenDebian. No, Tim, I didn't miss it. I tested bookworm on a testbench machine and it crashed that machine. OK, it is possible that there was a problem with that other machine, but I couldn't risk it. > -- > > ══ > > Ellis Michael "Mike" Lieberman | Blog > > Purok 13, Morales Subd. > > Brgy Mabuhay, General Santos City, 9500 Philippines > > See MAP > > Cell: +63 (917) 311-0674 (Globe: Voice and Text) > > Cell: +63 (991) 650-7948 (Dito: Voice and Text) > > LandLine: +63 (083) 887-2154 (Voice Only) ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?
On Tue, 2022-11-08 at 08:16 +0800, Mike Lieberman wrote: > No, Tim, I didn't miss it. I tested bookworm on a testbench machine > and > it crashed that machine. OK, it is possible that there was a problem > with that other machine, but I couldn't risk it. Interesting, I'm running Bookworm and the only crash I get is because of the Libsoup/Evolution problem. You ran isenkram like the installation instructions to get the right firmware etc? -- Tim McConnell ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?
On Mon, 2022-11-07 at 18:35 -0600, Tim McConnell via evolution-list wrote: > On Tue, 2022-11-08 at 08:16 +0800, Mike Lieberman wrote: > > No, Tim, I didn't miss it. I tested bookworm on a testbench machine > > and > > it crashed that machine. OK, it is possible that there was a > > problem > > with that other machine, but I couldn't risk it. > > Interesting, I'm running Bookworm and the only crash I get is because > of the Libsoup/Evolution problem. You ran isenkram like the > installation instructions to get the right firmware etc? > Crashed as in the disk was trashed and I'm not in the testing program for bookworm, so I just reformatted the disk. I have enough on my pllate now and have no interest in testing bookworm. -- > > ══ > > Ellis Michael "Mike" Lieberman | Blog > > Purok 13, Morales Subd. > > Brgy Mabuhay, General Santos City, 9500 Philippines > > See MAP > > Cell: +63 (917) 311-0674 (Globe: Voice and Text) > > Cell: +63 (991) 650-7948 (Dito: Voice and Text) > > LandLine: +63 (083) 887-2154 (Voice Only) ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Editing and removing signature files -- how to?
I can see how to add new signatures, but not how to edit or delete them. Is this simply a feature that is yet to be added? The 'box' below the identified signature stays empty. The edit and remove buttons stay grayed out. -- ══ Ellis Michael "Mike" Lieberman | Blog Purok 13, Morales Subd. Brgy Mabuhay, General Santos City, 9500 Philippines ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?
On Mon, 2022-11-07 at 16:17 -0600, Tim McConnell via evolution-list wrote: > On Mon, 2022-11-07 at 16:34 -0500, Paul Smith wrote: > > I'm not sure I understand this comment. The whole point of flatpak > > (and snap) is that it's not _supposed_ to need to worry about the > > dependencies of the distribution. That's why you'd use it. > > > Which is why they are bad ideas to use. There is no way that ARCH or > Gentoo or Kali use the same dependencies. It's called "Dependency > Hell" and the theory of FlatPack and SNAP not needing to follow or > use a distributions is like walking into a [...] I'm not interested in continuing that unpleasant analogy but I think you're confused about what flatpak and snap are and what they do. There _are_ reasons to want to avoid them, such as startup time and disk space usage, perhaps memory usage, and, possibly, efficiency of delivering security updates (but so far that has not been a problem). However "dependency hell" is absolute NOT one of the reasons to avoid them: "dependency hell" is exactly what these tools were invented to solve, and they do solve it very well. They basically provide a fully self-contained package containing a tool (like Evolution) and ALL of its dependencies, as a single bundle. These dependencies are not installed separately on your system: they are not visible to any other program "outside" the flatpak. And the Evolution in the flatpak doesn't use any of your system libraries, it only uses the libraries in the flatpak. So there's no way they can introduce dependency hell. As mentioned I'm using Ubuntu 20.04 which has a similar vintage of Gnome desktop and apps, including Evolution, that the Debian stable in question uses. And the flatpak version of Evolution 3.46 works great on my system. And if it doesn't work, well, it's a self-contained separate bundle so you can either just ignore it, or remove it: it doesn't interfere with anything else on the system. That's the point. > It's WHY I run Debian, I can set up the system how I want and just > upgrade to the newer version. No disk reformat etc etc. Sure; I used Debian, including testing and sid, for a number of years (5+) before I got tired of the arbitrary release cycle and switched to Ubuntu. Ubuntu also does not require disk reformats. These days even the recent RedHat Enterprise distros can do an upgrade without reformatting the disk (finally!). ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Editing and removing signature files -- how to?
Hi Mike, I have never had that issue. The location I do it from is: Edit->Preferences->Composer Preferences->Signatures You then pick which signature block you wish to do and then select the option. There all the Add/Add Script/Edit/Remove are available. My guess is if you are correctly going to that place then possibly "somehow" the actual signature block or folder does not have permissions to enable you to change it. One of the other more knowledgeable people might be able to tell that location so that you can correct the permissions. This has never happened to me although initially I was a bit confused about where to actually make the changes. -- Thanks Luigi Cantoni Forwarded Message From: Mike Lieberman To: evolution-list@gnome.org Subject: [Evolution] Editing and removing signature files -- how to? Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2022 13:30:43 +0800 Mailer: Evolution 3.46.1 (by Flathub.org) I can see how to add new signatures, but not how to edit or delete them. Is this simply a feature that is yet to be added? The 'box' below the identified signature stays empty. The edit and remove buttons stay grayed out. -- ══ Ellis Michael "Mike" Lieberman | Blog Purok 13, Morales Subd. Brgy Mabuhay, General Santos City, 9500 Philippines ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Editing and removing signature files -- how to?
On Tue, 2022-11-08 at 13:30 +0800, Mike Lieberman wrote: > I can see how to add new signatures, but not how to edit or delete > them. Is this simply a feature that is yet to be added? > > The 'box' below the identified signature stays empty. The edit and > remove buttons stay grayed out. > Hi, Edit->Preferences->Composer Preferences->Signatures works fine for me, I see a list of available signatures and when I select any of them the Edit/Remove buttons are made sensitive and can be clicked. I suppose when you run Evolution from a terminal there will be some related runtime warnings, possibly in time of opening Edit->Preferences or when selecting the Signatures tab. Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Editing and removing signature files -- how to?
OK, I was in the wrong place! I was in mail_account/edit On Tue, 2022-11-08 at 14:31 +0800, Luigi Cantoni via evolution-list wrote: > Hi Mike, > I have never had that issue. > The location I do it from is: > Edit->Preferences->Composer Preferences->Signatures > > You then pick which signature block you wish to do and then select > the option. > There all the Add/Add Script/Edit/Remove are available. > > My guess is if you are correctly going to that place then possibly > "somehow" the actual signature block or folder does not have > permissions to enable you to change it. > > One of the other more knowledgeable people might be able to tell that > location so that you can correct the permissions. > This has never happened to me although initially I was a bit confused > about where to actually make the changes. > > -- > Thanks > Luigi Cantoni > Forwarded Message > From: Mike Lieberman > To: evolution-list@gnome.org > Subject: [Evolution] Editing and removing signature files -- how to? > Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2022 13:30:43 +0800 > Mailer: Evolution 3.46.1 (by Flathub.org) > > I can see how to add new signatures, but not how to edit or delete > them. Is this simply a feature that is yet to be added? > > The 'box' below the identified signature stays empty. The edit and > remove buttons stay grayed out. > > ___ > evolution-list mailing list > evolution-list@gnome.org > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
