On Mon, 2022-11-07 at 16:17 -0600, Tim McConnell via evolution-list wrote: > On Mon, 2022-11-07 at 16:34 -0500, Paul Smith wrote: > > I'm not sure I understand this comment. The whole point of flatpak > > (and snap) is that it's not _supposed_ to need to worry about the > > dependencies of the distribution. That's why you'd use it. > > > Which is why they are bad ideas to use. There is no way that ARCH or > Gentoo or Kali use the same dependencies. It's called "Dependency > Hell" and the theory of FlatPack and SNAP not needing to follow or > use a distributions is like walking into a [...]
I'm not interested in continuing that unpleasant analogy but I think you're confused about what flatpak and snap are and what they do. There _are_ reasons to want to avoid them, such as startup time and disk space usage, perhaps memory usage, and, possibly, efficiency of delivering security updates (but so far that has not been a problem). However "dependency hell" is absolute NOT one of the reasons to avoid them: "dependency hell" is exactly what these tools were invented to solve, and they do solve it very well. They basically provide a fully self-contained package containing a tool (like Evolution) and ALL of its dependencies, as a single bundle. These dependencies are not installed separately on your system: they are not visible to any other program "outside" the flatpak. And the Evolution in the flatpak doesn't use any of your system libraries, it only uses the libraries in the flatpak. So there's no way they can introduce dependency hell. As mentioned I'm using Ubuntu 20.04 which has a similar vintage of Gnome desktop and apps, including Evolution, that the Debian stable in question uses. And the flatpak version of Evolution 3.46 works great on my system. And if it doesn't work, well, it's a self-contained separate bundle so you can either just ignore it, or remove it: it doesn't interfere with anything else on the system. That's the point. > It's WHY I run Debian, I can set up the system how I want and just > upgrade to the newer version. No disk reformat etc etc. Sure; I used Debian, including testing and sid, for a number of years (5+) before I got tired of the arbitrary release cycle and switched to Ubuntu. Ubuntu also does not require disk reformats. These days even the recent RedHat Enterprise distros can do an upgrade without reformatting the disk (finally!). _______________________________________________ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
