Re: [Evolution] Using Evolution with Exchange

2015-12-04 Thread Pete Biggs
On Fri, 2015-12-04 at 00:00 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2015-12-03 at 14:41 -0500, Michael Wenyon wrote:
> > I am on Debian Jessie. Should I be able to use an Exchange server by
> > setting it up in Gnome Online Accounts, or do I need to install other
> > packages first?
> 
> GOA is for access to Google services (Gmail, contacts etc.).

GoA does things other than Google - I have an @live.com address setup
through it.

>  AFAIK it
> has nothing to do with Exchange or EWS.
> 
You can do Exchange accounts through GoA as well.  I've never tried it,
but Exchange is listed in the available account types.

P.
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Re: [Evolution] How to easily archive imap email

2015-12-04 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2015-12-04 at 02:59 +0100, Ángel González wrote:
> POP won't allow him to download the files he has already moved to
> server folders, but it's the easiest solution for any future mail he
> receives IMHO.

I disagree. Setting up IMAP isn't much harder than setting up POP and
brings significant benefits, including not downloading large messages
until they need to be read.

> Not everyone needs to access his mail from multiple devices. :-)

That's less and less true as time goes by. Most people now have smart
phones and use them to read mail. Using POP is a recipe for pain, if
not now then in the future. There is nothing POP does that IMAP doesn't
also do, whereas the reverse is not true.

That said, each to his own. All we can do is offer advice based on
experience.

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Re: [Evolution] Using Evolution with Exchange

2015-12-04 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2015-12-04 at 09:44 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> On Fri, 2015-12-04 at 00:00 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Thu, 2015-12-03 at 14:41 -0500, Michael Wenyon wrote:
> > > I am on Debian Jessie. Should I be able to use an Exchange server
> > > by
> > > setting it up in Gnome Online Accounts, or do I need to install
> > > other
> > > packages first?
> > 
> > GOA is for access to Google services (Gmail, contacts etc.).
> 
> GoA does things other than Google - I have an @live.com address setup
> through it.
> 
> >  AFAIK it
> > has nothing to do with Exchange or EWS.
> > 
> You can do Exchange accounts through GoA as well.  I've never tried
> it,
> but Exchange is listed in the available account types.

Interesting. Is that because Google is supporting it or because the
tool is misnamed?

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Re: [Evolution] Issues with labels and flags

2015-12-04 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2015-12-03 at 21:55 -0500, Mark Foley wrote:
> >  CAMEL_DEBUG=imapx:io evolution &>log.txt
> 
> Ha! If you can tell me how to do that, I'd be glad to try. Is that
> CAMEL... line you have the howto? Do I just type that at a command
> line, as is? Do I have to be root? Do I do it before starting
> Evolution? Need a bit more info on this.

He told you how to do it, just type the line into a terminal window.
You're not doing it *before* starting Evo, you're doing it *in order
to* start Evo (i.e. quit Evo before doing this). Not as root, just in
your normal account.

There's really nothing mysterious about this. It's a perfectly normal
Shell command line. The "CAMEL_DEBUG=" part is setting the value of an
environment variable that means something to Evo once it starts, and
the "&>log.txt" part is just sending the command's diagnostic output to
a local file for logging.

See also: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/Debugging

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Re: [Evolution] Using Evolution with Exchange

2015-12-04 Thread Pete Biggs

> > > 
> > You can do Exchange accounts through GoA as well.  I've never tried
> > it,
> > but Exchange is listed in the available account types.
> 
> Interesting. Is that because Google is supporting it or because the
> tool is misnamed?
> 
It's nothing to do with Google - it's 'Gnome on-line Accounts' and just
a way to configure "cloud" based services for use within Gnome.  It's
not just email either, I have an ownCloud account configured using GoA
that links in to Nautilus, you can also add Facebook, Flickr, Pocket
accounts via GoA and all the relevant applications will know about
them.  You can even add IMAP/SMTP accounts using GoA if that's what you
really want!

P.
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Re: [Evolution] Using Evolution with Exchange

2015-12-04 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2015-12-04 at 12:14 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > > > 
> > > You can do Exchange accounts through GoA as well.  I've never
> > > tried
> > > it,
> > > but Exchange is listed in the available account types.
> > 
> > Interesting. Is that because Google is supporting it or because the
> > tool is misnamed?
> > 
> It's nothing to do with Google - it's 'Gnome on-line Accounts' and
> just
> a way to configure "cloud" based services for use within Gnome.  It's
> not just email either, I have an ownCloud account configured using
> GoA that links in to Nautilus, you can also add Facebook, Flickr,
> Pocket accounts via GoA and all the relevant applications will know
> about them.  You can even add IMAP/SMTP accounts using GoA if that's
> what you really want!

Very good. I'm not a Gnome user (aside from Evo) so I always understood
it to mean Google Online Accounts (perhaps a Freudian slip). Glad to be
disabused of this.

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Re: [Evolution] How to easily archive imap email

2015-12-04 Thread Reid Thompson
On Fri, 2015-12-04 at 00:40 +, Jerry Whitteridge wrote:
> Dave 
> 
> In Evolution as you are setup now you have 2 accounts "On My Computer" and
> whatever you named the Account with your ISP. Under the On My Computer inbox
> you can create a hierarchy of folders to contain your archives. Then create a
> filter rule that looks at your IMAP inbox (or other folders as you wish) and
> copies to the folders in the On My Computer. Every time you fetch mail all new
> messages should then be copied locally.  

if i'm not mistaken, there is one issue with this.  Any email marked as
'not new' by a client other than evo will result in that email not being
routed through evo's filters when it's fetched by evo.  evo only
automatically passes mail that is marked as 'new' by the server through
it's filters.

you can highlight a group of emails and CTRL-Y to force them through the
filters.  but you then run the potential risk of having multiple copies
of particular emails in the archive folder.

1) a manual workaround for this *could* be.
this is essentially the same as, at the start of each month,
highlight last months emails and copy them to archive

create a filter to copy email to your archive folder. verify that it
works.

unselect it in the filters configuration so that it's not active.
on the first of each month ( or whatever regular schedule ) activate the
filter. highlight all the email for the previous month and CTRL-Y.
verify that that months email is now in archive. deactivate filter.  Be
aware that if evo fetches new email during this process it will
automatically be archived ( but thats a small window and shouldn't be
much email if it occurs, and when you verify that last months email has
been archived, you can remove any current month emails from the archive
-- as they'll get archived when you run through this process at the
start of the next month)

2) not sure if your version of evo has the remove duplicates
functionality. if it does. and if an active filtered copy of an email
and a CTRL-Y filtered copy of an email will be seen as duplicates, then
you can leave the filter active and any *new* email will be auto
archived.  on the first of the month or some regular basis, you can
select all of the last months email and CTRL-Y it.  Then you can select
all of last months archived emails and 'remove duplicates' to get to one
copy of each in the archives

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Re: [Evolution] How to easily archive imap email

2015-12-04 Thread Reid Thompson
grabbed from the web... some options.. others are likely available


Mailbox synchronization

Use imapsync to copy the messages. It requires that you install Perl. See this
web page for a writeup with screen shots.
Use MailSync . It is designed for a Unix/Linux like operating system though you
may be able to run it under Windows if you also install cygwin. Its written in C
so you don't need to install an interpreter such as Perl or Python.
Use offlineimap . It is designed for a Unix/Linux like operating system though
"With some fiddling, it reportedly ran under Windows as well".
isync. Its also known as mbsync. Not to be confused with Apple's iSync program
for mobile phones. It supports IMAP and Maildir mailboxes.
[edit]
IMAP backup

Use a Python script such as Imap Backup Tool to backup the folders as mbox,
mbox.gz, or mbox.bz2 files. It supports incremental copying from any/all
folders. It doesn't backup IMAP flags (tags). IMAPSave is another one. It only
stores the messages in mbox files and does not do incremental backups. Both of
these programs only do backup, but you could use the ImportExportTools add-on to
import the mbox files.
imap2maildir is a Python script [1] to backup a IMAP mailbox to maildir files.
If you are using Linux or OS X you could use fetchmail and procmail to backup a
IMAP mailbox to mbox or maildir files.
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Re: [Evolution] How to easily archive imap email

2015-12-04 Thread Reid Thompson
also, at some version point, the auto-archive option was added to folder
properties in evo.  not sure if you can upgrade to get this.

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Re: [Evolution] How to easily archive imap email

2015-12-04 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2015-12-04 at 12:46 +, Reid Thompson wrote:
> Use imapsync to copy the messages.

I've used imapsync successfully in the past to move a large quantity of
mail (several GB) from one IMAP server to another. Unlike manual drag-
and-drop methods it's more suitable for bulk transfers and can restart
a transfer batch if for some reason it's been interrupted.

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Re: [Evolution] How to easily archive imap email

2015-12-04 Thread dave boland
I was looking for archiving in Help, but did not find this.  Can you
elaborate?

Dave,

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015, at 08:02 AM, Reid Thompson wrote:
> also, at some version point, the auto-archive option was added to folder
> properties in evo.  not sure if you can upgrade to get this.
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[Evolution] Undo does not work on Evolution 3.18 on Ubuntu 15.10

2015-12-04 Thread Jorge
Hi.  Undo does not work.  For example: I have just used the Paste as
Quotation feature.  When hitting Ctrl+z to undo it, Evolution instead
erased all the contents of the email.  This is frequent.  Many times
Evolution has erased content (though usually not the entire email)
when I hit Ctrl+z.

This is evolution 3.18.2-0ubuntu1~wily1 from the gnome3-staging PPA.
The machine runs Ubuntu 15.10 with a few PPAs, including gnome3 and
gnome3-staging.

I recall that this problem also occurred on evolution 3.16 from Ubuntu main.
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Re: [Evolution] Using Evolution with Exchange

2015-12-04 Thread Michael Wenyon
You are correct: I had a 'jessie' repository mixed in with all
'stretch' ones. My system is actually on stretch, and my Evolution is
v3.18.2. When I removed the jessie repository, Synaptics showed me no
evolution-ews at all, consistent with what you suggested. I guess I
will just have to wait until an update to evolution-ews appears in
stretch repository.

> You are correct: my system is actually on Debian 'stretch' and I had
> a jess
> You have some "misconfiguration" in your apt sources. Debian Jessie
> has
> evolution?3.12.9~git20141130.241663-1+b1, which won't conflict with
> the
> evolution-ews you are trying to install. It looks like you added
> another source that provides a newer evolution version, but not
> an?accompaning evolution-ews.

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[Evolution] Error refreshing folder

2015-12-04 Thread dave boland
All,

My newest dilemma is an error I'm getting after what appears to be a
failed attempt to copy a folder.  What can I do to fix this?

I moved a folder from an email account to an On This Computer whatever. 
The folder had a sub-folder.  Looks like the sub-folder didn't copy. 
The error is "The reported error was "Error refreshing folder: STATUS
Invalid mailbox name".  I need to get the folder back and clear the
error, but how?  I did backup the email, but I didn't see the folder in
the backup.  Help appreciated.

Evolution version: 3.16.5

Thanks,
Dave
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Re: [Evolution] Error refreshing folder

2015-12-04 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2015-12-04 at 09:59 -0500, dave boland wrote:
> I moved a folder from an email account to an On This Computer
> whatever. 
> The folder had a sub-folder.  Looks like the sub-folder didn't copy. 

Exactly how did you do the move? Several methods have been discussed
here recently, including drag-and-drop, Copy Folder, and imapsync among
others.

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Re: [Evolution] Error refreshing folder

2015-12-04 Thread dave boland
I used drag and drop.  Worked great for the first folder (had
sub-folders), but not for the next one.  

Dave,

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Fri, 2015-12-04 at 09:59 -0500, dave boland wrote:
> > I moved a folder from an email account to an On This Computer
> > whatever. 
> > The folder had a sub-folder.  Looks like the sub-folder didn't copy. 
> 
> Exactly how did you do the move? Several methods have been discussed
> here recently, including drag-and-drop, Copy Folder, and imapsync among
> others.
> 
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Re: [Evolution] Undo does not work on Evolution 3.18 on Ubuntu 15.10

2015-12-04 Thread Andre Klapper
On Fri, 2015-12-04 at 12:23 -0200, Jorge wrote:
> Hi.  Undo does not work.  For example: I have just used the Paste as
> Quotation feature.  When hitting Ctrl+z to undo it, Evolution instead
> erased all the contents of the email.  This is frequent.  Many times
> Evolution has erased content (though usually not the entire email)
> when I hit Ctrl+z.
> 
> This is evolution 3.18.2-0ubuntu1~wily1 from the gnome3-staging PPA.
> The machine runs Ubuntu 15.10 with a few PPAs, including gnome3 and
> gnome3-staging.

Please file a bug with exact steps to reproduce in the bugtracker:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Evolution

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Re: [Evolution] Error refreshing folder

2015-12-04 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2015-12-04 at 11:10 -0500, dave boland wrote:
> I used drag and drop.  Worked great for the first folder (had
> sub-folders), but not for the next one.  

[Please don't top-post on the list]

The problem with drag-and-drop (not just in Evo) is that it's fine as
long as everything works, i.e. you don't drop network connectivity,
there is enough space on the target drive, Evo or your system doesn't
crash etc. etc. Clearly your chances of success go down as the total
amount to be moved goes up. That's why I recommend something like
imapsync, which allows you to continue from where you left off if
something bad happens.

Having said all that, it's hard to know what specifically went wrong in
your case, but it's quite likely that your mail is still hanging around
"somewhere". As a first step, I would suggest quitting and restarting
Evo to see if it resyncs.

poc
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Re: [Evolution] Undo does not work on Evolution 3.18 on Ubuntu 15.10

2015-12-04 Thread Tomas Popela
On Fri, 2015-12-04 at 17:19 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
> On Fri, 2015-12-04 at 12:23 -0200, Jorge wrote:
> > Hi.  Undo does not work.  For example: I have just used the Paste
> > as
> > Quotation feature.  When hitting Ctrl+z to undo it, Evolution
> > instead
> > erased all the contents of the email.  This is frequent.  Many
> > times
> > Evolution has erased content (though usually not the entire email)
> > when I hit Ctrl+z.
> > 
> > This is evolution 3.18.2-0ubuntu1~wily1 from the gnome3-staging
> > PPA.
> > The machine runs Ubuntu 15.10 with a few PPAs, including gnome3 and
> > gnome3-staging.
> 
> Please file a bug with exact steps to reproduce in the bugtracker:
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Evolution

And also please check that you are not affected by [0] before creating
a new bug report.

[0] - https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749712

Tom
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Re: [Evolution] Issues with labels and flags

2015-12-04 Thread Mark Foley
OK, I've included the debugging output below.  It's pretty long, but lots of
FLAG entries.  What I did was run Evolution per the debug instructions (at
bottom).  On my IMAP server, there are 3 messaged previously flagged in
Thunderbird and whose Maildir filename has the flag letter appended.  These show
with the same colors in Evolution. 

I then 'labeled' another message in Evolution as 'Work' (orange). This shows
orange in Evolution, but does not show in Thunderbird and the Maildir file is
not flagged. The debug output below should show this labeling -- which I think
it does with various $Labelwork entries.

But, I think it's clear: Evolution will show Maildir flags, but does not set
them (at least I don't know how).  Evolution's labels are internal and not the
same as Maildir flags.  Setting Evolution Lables does not set the flag field of
the Maildir format email files. 

I did upgrade to Ubuntu 15.10 and Evolution 3.16.5 -- which is how this test was
run.

So, is there a way to utilize the Maildir flag scheme in Evolution or is this
simply not supported?

THX --Mark

Evolution Debug Output

(evolution:9911): camel-WARNING **: Failed to initialize NSS SQL database in 
sql:/etc/pki/nssdb: NSS error -8126
[imapx:A] I/O: '* OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS ID 
ENABLE IDLE STARTTLS AUTH=PLAIN AUTH=LOGIN] Dovecot ready.'
[imapx:A] I/O: 'A0 LOGIN ...'
[imapx:A] I/O: 'A0 OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR 
LOGIN-REFERRALS ID ENABLE IDLE SORT SORT=DISPLAY THREAD=REFERENCES THREAD=REFS 
THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT MULTIAPPEND URL-PARTIAL CATENATE UNSELECT CHILDREN 
NAMESPACE UIDPLUS LIST-EXTENDED I18NLEVEL=1 CONDSTORE QRESYNC ESEARCH ESORT 
SEARCHRES WITHIN CONTEXT=SEARCH LIST-STATUS SPECIAL-USE BINARY MOVE] Logged in'
[imapx:A] I/O: 'A1 NAMESPACE'
[imapx:A] I/O: '* NAMESPACE (("" ".")) NIL NIL
A1 OK Namespace completed.'
[imapx:A] I/O: 'A2 LIST "" "*" RETURN (CHILDREN SUBSCRIBED STATUS (MESSAGES 
UNSEEN UIDVALIDITY UIDNEXT HIGHESTMODSEQ) SPECIAL-USE)'
[imapx:A] I/O: '* LIST (\Subscribed \HasNoChildren) "." "Sent Items"
* STATUS "Sent Items" (MESSAGES 35 UIDNEXT 36 UIDVALIDITY 1421467368 UNSEEN 0 
HIGHESTMODSEQ 32)
* LIST (\Subscribed \HasNoChildren) "." Trash
* STATUS Trash (MESSAGES 0 UIDNEXT 348 UIDVALIDITY 1421467371 UNSEEN 0 
HIGHESTMODSEQ 351)
* LIST (\Subscribed \HasNoChildren) "." Notes
* STATUS Notes (MESSAGES 0 UIDNEXT 1 UIDVALIDITY 1421467375 UNSEEN 0 
HIGHESTMODSEQ 1)
* LIST (\Subscribed \HasNoChildren) "." "Enrollment Files"
* STATUS "Enrollment Files" (MESSAGES 0 UIDNEXT 67 UIDVALIDITY 1421467366 
UNSEEN 0 HIGHESTMODSEQ 4)
* LIST (\Subscribed \HasNoChildren) "." "matkeson testing"
* STATUS "matkeson testing" (MESSAGES 17 UIDNEXT 18 UIDVALIDITY 1421467372 
UNSEEN 0 HIGHESTMODSEQ 6)
* LIST (\Subscribed \HasNoChildren) "." Junk
* STATUS Junk (MESSAGES 0 UIDNEXT 1 UIDVALIDITY 1421467376 UNSEEN 0 
HIGHESTMODSEQ 1)
* LIST (\Subscribed \HasNoChildren) "." "contact spam"
* STATUS "contact spam" (MESSAGES 0 UIDNEXT 30 UIDVALIDITY 1421467365 UNSEEN 0 
HIGHESTMODSEQ 47)
* LIST (\Subscribed \HasNoChildren) "." "Deleted Items"
* STATUS "Deleted Items" (MESSAGES 0 UIDNEXT 1937 UIDVALIDITY 1421467367 UNSEEN 
0 HIGHESTMODSEQ 114)
* LIST (\Subscribed \HasNoChildren) "." "Junk E-mail"
* STATUS "Junk E-mail" (MESSAGES 0 UIDNEXT 1432 UIDVALIDITY 1421467364 UNSEEN 0 
HIGHESTMODSEQ 108)
* LIST (\HasNoChildren) "." INBOX
* STATUS INBOX (MESSAGES 269 UIDNEXT 2500 UIDVALIDITY 1421467363 UNSEEN 233 
HIGHESTMODSEQ 2488)
A2 OK List completed.'
[imapx:A] I/O: 'A4 SELECT INBOX'
[imapx:A] I/O: '* FLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen \Draft $label1 
$label2 $label3 $label4 $Labelimportant $Labelpersonal $Labelwork)
* OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen \Draft $label1 $label2 
$label3 $label4 $Labelimportant $Labelpersonal $Labelwork \*)] Flags permitted.
* 269 EXISTS
* 0 RECENT
* OK [UNSEEN 3] First unseen.
* OK [UIDVALIDITY 1421467363] UIDs valid
* OK [UIDNEXT 2500] Predicted next UID
* OK [HIGHESTMODSEQ 2488] Highest
A4 OK [READ-WRITE] Select completed (0.000 secs).'
[imapx:A] I/O: 'A3 NOOP'
[imapx:A] I/O: 'A3 OK NOOP completed.'
[imapx:A] I/O: 'A5 UID FETCH 1:* (UID FLAGS)'
[imapx:A] I/O: '* 1 FETCH (UID 2187 FLAGS (\Seen))
* 2 FETCH (UID 2188 FLAGS (\Seen))
* 3 FETCH (UID 2189 FLAGS ())
* 4 FETCH (UID 2190 FLAGS ())
* 5 FETCH (UID 2191 FLAGS ())
* 6 FETCH (UID 2192 FLAGS ())
* 7 FETCH (UID 2193 FLAGS ())
* 8 FETCH (UID 2194 FLAGS ())
* 9 FETCH (UID 2195 FLAGS ())
* 10 FETCH (UID 2196 FLAGS ())
* 11 FETCH (UID 2197 FLAGS ())
* 12 FETCH (UID 2198 FLAGS ())
* 13 FETCH (UID 2199 FLAGS ())
* 14 FETCH (UID 2200 FLAGS ())
* 15 FETCH (UID 2201 FLAGS ())
* 16 FETCH (UID 2202 FLAGS ())
* 17 FETCH (UID 2203 FLAGS ())
* 18 FETCH (UID 2204 FLAGS ())
* 19 FETCH (UID 2205 FLAGS ())
* 20 FETCH (UID 2206 FLAGS ())
* 21 FETCH (UID 2207 FLAGS (\Seen))
* 22 FETCH (UID 2208 FLAGS ())
* 23 FETCH (UID 2209 FLAGS ())
* 24 FETCH (UID 2210 FLAGS ())
* 25 FETCH