Re: [Evolution] access to google addressbook is broken

[Milan Crha]

On Fri, 2015-05-29 at 08:25 +0200, Andrea Vai wrote:
> I have the same problem, so I have tried to configure GOA (added a
> google account, disabled all but Contacts, closed GOA and restarted
> evolution) but the error still appears; is there any further step I
> should consider to make my google contacts re-appear in evo (v. 
> 3.12.11
> on Ubuntu 15.04)?

Hi,
configuring an account in GOA doesn't fix your already configured
Contacts (or any other google sources). GOA accounts are shown as a
separate branch on the left, usually with your Google email as the root
node (on the same level as the "Google" or  "On This Computer" nodes).

It could sometimes happen that the evolution-source-registry (or the
factories) didn't pick the GOA account addition properly. Try to
restart the machine (re-login), which should make things work,
especially when the goa-daemon process will be run on the machine
start.

You can safely delete any Google sources directly configured in the
Evolution now.
Bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] access to google addressbook is broken

[Milan Crha]

On Fri, 2015-05-29 at 08:39 +0200, Jens Gustedt wrote:
> So basically this means that all the direct google interface support
> should be phased out, because it can't work anymore?

Hi,
correct.

> But then also doesn't that mean that evolution is even more dependent
> on having gnome running?

Currently yes, but that's the below bug for:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749974

> (The reason I didn't mention the evolution version, is that I am on a
> Debian Jessie, and their version doesn't seem to be any official. 
> This is an old version (3.12.9 they say) but if you look more closely
> there seem to be a lot of patches applied.)

Even 3.12.x is dead upstream now, it's not that old. The last update of
3.12.11 had been done on 2015-02-09 (the 3.12.9 on 2014-12-08). As the
3.12.x is dead, any fixes might be added by the respective distribution
maintainers, if they want to (general speaking, there is no fix for
their GOA/OAuth2 thing yet).
Bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] access to google addressbook is broken

[Andrea Vai]

Il giorno ven, 29/05/2015 alle 09.10 +0200, Milan Crha ha scritto:
> On Fri, 2015-05-29 at 08:25 +0200, Andrea Vai wrote:
> > I have the same problem, so I have tried to configure GOA (added a
> > google account, disabled all but Contacts, closed GOA and restarted
> > evolution) but the error still appears; is there any further step I
> > should consider to make my google contacts re-appear in evo (v. 
> > 3.12.11
> > on Ubuntu 15.04)?
> 
>   Hi,
> configuring an account in GOA doesn't fix your already configured
> Contacts (or any other google sources). GOA accounts are shown as a
> separate branch on the left, usually with your Google email as the root
> node (on the same level as the "Google" or  "On This Computer" nodes).
> 
> It could sometimes happen that the evolution-source-registry (or the
> factories) didn't pick the GOA account addition properly. Try to
> restart the machine (re-login), which should make things work,
> especially when the goa-daemon process will be run on the machine
> start.
Ok, I had to reboot Ubuntu to have my GOA account appear (simply logging
off and on did not do it). Furthermore, the first time while my contacts
were populating the Contacts window, evolution crashed in
addressbook-factory. Then I started evo again and all seems to work
fine. Sorry if I don't give any technical detail here, let me know if I
should file a bug (don't know how to reproduce it by now, though)

Thanks a lot,
Andrea

> 
> You can safely delete any Google sources directly configured in the
> Evolution now.
>   Bye,
>   Milan
> 
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Re: [Evolution] Multiple Google calendars with GOA

[Pete Biggs]

> 
> The 3.16.x situation is harder, you might do things manually, but that
> won't last for long (like it will be lost after restart).

Right, so it's not possible to see multiple calendars using GOA.  I'll
go back to Google calendars setup within Evolution using one-time
-passwords which seems to work perfectly fine for multiple calendars and 
calendars shared with me by other gmail users.

P.
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Re: [Evolution] Multiple Google calendars with GOA

[Milan Crha]

On Fri, 2015-05-29 at 09:45 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > The 3.16.x situation is harder, you might do things manually, but 
> > that won't last for long (like it will be lost after restart).
> 
> Right, so it's not possible to see multiple calendars using GOA. 
> I'll go back to Google calendars setup within Evolution using
> one-time-passwords which seems to work perfectly fine for multiple 
> calendars and calendars shared with me by other gmail users.

Hi,
I just committed a change for [1] also for the 3.16.3+, thus with that
version (release date planned on June 8th, 2015) you also get all the
configured (and enabled for CalDAV synchronization on the Google server
side) calendars automatically when using the GOA account. The change
matches the current development version of the evolution-data-server.
Please note that the install of the new evolution-data-server requires
restart of the background processes it provides, the easiest is
a re-login.
Bye,
Milan

[1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=663828#c18
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Re: [Evolution] access to google addressbook is broken

[Milan Crha]

On Fri, 2015-05-29 at 09:54 +0200, Andrea Vai wrote:
> Ok, I had to reboot Ubuntu to have my GOA account appear (simply
> logging off and on did not do it).

Hi,
that'w weird, re-login worked fine here, using Fedora 22.

> Furthermore, the first time while my contacts
> were populating the Contacts window, evolution crashed in
> addressbook-factory. Then I started evo again and all seems to work
> fine. Sorry if I don't give any technical detail here, let me know if 
> I should file a bug (don't know how to reproduce it by now, though)

Only if you have a backtrace (as you do not) or you are able to
reproduce and provide the backtrace (which you currently cannot). :-)

It seems to me it crashed during the initial update, thus possibly some
contact caused the crash. Or it could even be the account adding as
such. In any case, if you could install debuginfo package for evolution
-data-server, then try to log off the GUI session, switch to a text
terminal (for example, Ctrl+Alt+F3), then remove the cache for the
address book at
   ~/.cache/evolution/addressbook//
Search the content of the folders for some contact email address to
pick the right one to delete. It's only a local cache, thus no harm to
delete it. Only make sure none evolution-addressbook-factory* process
is running when playing with the files (the logout should make sure
there will be none, but as the re-login didn't work even earlier...).
Then restart the machine and let's see whether the factory will crash.
Ideally try to get the backtrace of the crash, in case you've any
"crash catcher".
Bye,
Milan
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Re: [Evolution] How do I get rid of "preformatted"

[Pete Biggs]

On Mon, 2015-05-25 at 08:48 +0200, Milan Crha wrote:
> On Thu, 2015-05-21 at 12:50 -0400, Dr. John H. Lauterbach wrote:
> > Thank you, Patrick.  The "preformatted" only came when I started 
> > using 3.16.0.  Perhaps I have missed something, but I do not see 
> > anything which allows me to change templates other than the drop
> > -down 
> > box in the message header.  For example, when I started this reply, 
> > 
> > "preformatted" had already been selected.
> 
>   Hi,
> this commit for 3.16.2+ will help:
> https://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution/commit/?id=bb9680edc8903a
> 

I'm not convinced the logic is correct yet - the behaviour is still
different to the old editor.  Previously, quoted text was added "as-is"
so no formatting was imposed (i.e. "pre-formatted"), and new text had
"normal" formatting.  Now, all the text is "normal" even the quoted
text - which even at relatively low quoting levels makes things look
horrible.  As an example take one of the messages in another thread. If
I reply to it the quoted text looks like this:

===
On Fri, 2015-05-29 at 09:54 +0200, Andrea Vai wrote:
> Il giorno ven, 29/05/2015 alle 09.10 +0200, Milan Crha ha scritto:
> > On Fri, 2015-05-29 at 08:25 +0200, Andrea Vai wrote:
> > > I have the same problem, so I have tried to configure GOA (added
> > > a
> > > google account, disabled all but Contacts, closed GOA and
> > > restarted
> > > evolution) but the error still appears; is there any further step
> > > I
> > > should consider to make my google contacts re-appear in evo (v.
> > > 3.12.11
> > > on Ubuntu 15.04)?
> > 
==

rather than 

=
On Fri, 2015-05-29 at 09:54 +0200, Andrea Vai wrote:
> Il giorno ven, 29/05/2015 alle 09.10 +0200, Milan Crha ha scritto:
> > On Fri, 2015-05-29 at 08:25 +0200, Andrea Vai wrote:
> > > I have the same problem, so I have tried to configure GOA (added a
> > > google account, disabled all but Contacts, closed GOA and restarted
> > > evolution) but the error still appears; is there any further step I
> > > should consider to make my google contacts re-appear in evo (v. 
> > > 3.12.11
> > > on Ubuntu 15.04)?
==

(the "3.12.11" is a left over from a previous quote formatting)

The orphaned single words just gets worse and worse as the quoting
level gets deeper.

P.
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Re: [Evolution] Places where Evolution stores its data

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2015-05-28 at 21:46 -0400, John Lauterbach wrote:
> I am using evolution 3.16.0 under Ubuntu 15.04. I use SpiderOak as 
> my remote off-site backup service. The e-mail in Evolution is very 
> important to me. In one sense, it is my corporate file cabinet. 
> SpiderOak backs-up my evolution and other data files when there are 
> changes.  In addition, when I make changes in evolution such as 
> adding a folder, I use evolution backup feature.
> So, my question is which evolution folders need to be backed up when 
> they change in order to minimize data loss if something goes wrong?
> John

The Evo backup feature is intended for occasional use when you want to
transfer Evo from one machine or distro to another. It's not meant to
be used as a regular (e.g. nightly) backup since it copies everything,
not just changes. This is likely to be very wasteful, especially if you
have a normal system backup as well.

For everyday use, simply backup your home directory using one of the
many standard backup solutions. It's best to do this automatically and
when your system is quiescent, typically overnight. Most such systems
do this incrementally to save space. Personally I use rsnapshot to a
local file server, but each to his own.

poc
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Re: [Evolution] Places where Evolution stores its data

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Thu, 2015-05-28 at 20:25 +0200, Tom wrote:
> I've just happened to take a look at the places for Evolution mail
> and I
> don't know what I shall think of it. What I see there is OK in your
> opinion - or more simply: Has anybody seen something similar before?

Similar to what?  Nothing Evolution done is particularly unique; and it
is a private data application store... so it is ONLY a concern for the
application.  Stay out of there.

> I wouldn't like to format the mail - hope you nevertheless see the
> runaway. It is 10 IMAP accounts and 1 NNTP account, that seems to 
> store
> meta data and cache on at least
> thomas@ga-78:~/.local/share/evolution/mail/1420635858.9770.2@ga-78$ 
> find
> > wc -l
> 23737 newsgroups. I'm subscribed to 5 (FIVE) of them. Did Evolution
> store the whole server ?

Depends on what options are selected.

> What is your opinion on that ?

If you want to index or SPAM score, etc... you need the entire message,
so the entire message is downloaded.

-- 
Adam Tauno Williams  GPG D95ED383
Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA

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Re: [Evolution] Places where Evolution stores its data

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Thu, 2015-05-28 at 21:46 -0400, John Lauterbach wrote:
> I am using evolution 3.16.0 under Ubuntu 15.04. I use SpiderOak as 
> my remote off-site backup service. The e-mail in Evolution is very 
> important to me. In one sense, it is my corporate file cabinet. 
> SpiderOak backs-up my evolution and other data files when there are 
> changes.  In addition, when I make changes in evolution such as 
> adding a folder, I use evolution backup feature.
> So, my question is which evolution folders need to be backed up when 
> they change in order to minimize data loss if something goes wrong?

If your accounts are IMAP them your mail remains on the server.  The
only thing you really need is the account setup information.

Note - this is just concerning mail, if you have other stuff in
Evolution that is different.

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Adam Tauno Williams  GPG D95ED383
Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA

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[Evolution] "Face:"

[Ralf Mardorf]

Hi,

if I receive emails written with Evolution, that include a "Face:" in
the header, the pics are broken in Claws, but ok in Evolution. "Face:"s
sent from Claws are ok in Claws and Evolution.

$ pacman -Q claws-mail-git evolution gtk2 gtk3
claws-mail-git 3.11.1.r100.gf3d3586-1
evolution 3.16.2.1-1
gtk2 2.24.28-1
gtk3 3.16.3-2

What app might be the culprit?

  [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ evolution

  (evolution:4201): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: The property
  GtkSettings:gtk-button-images is deprecated and shouldn't be used
  anymore. It will be removed in a future version.

  (evolution:4201): Gtk-WARNING **: Failed to register client:
  GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name
  org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files

  (evolution:4201): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: The property
  GtkSettings:gtk-menu-images is deprecated and shouldn't be used
  anymore. It will be removed in a future version.

  (evolution:4201): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: The property
  GtkCellRendererPixbuf:stock-id is deprecated and shouldn't be used
  anymore. It will be removed in a future version.

  (evolution:4201): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: The property
  GtkSettings:gtk-toolbar-style is deprecated and shouldn't be used
  anymore. It will be removed in a future version.

  [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ claws-mail
  selecting folder '#mh/Claws Mail/The shared/KDE and'
  error: unknown encoding UTF8: using iso88591 as fallback
  error: unknown encoding UTF8: using iso88591 as fallback
  error: unknown encoding UTF8: using iso88591 as fallback
  error: unknown encoding UTF8: using iso88591 as fallback
  error: unknown encoding UTF8: using iso88591 as fallback
  error: unknown encoding UTF8: using iso88591 as fallback
  error: unknown encoding UTF8: using iso88591 as fallback
  error: unknown encoding UTF8: using iso88591 as fallback

Regards,
Ralf
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[Evolution] PS: "Face:"

[Ralf Mardorf]

It seems to be that "Evolution ignores the Face guidelines".

http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2015-May/013045.html
http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2015-May/013046.html

JFTR the broken "Face" in question is from Adam Tauno Williams, e.g.
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2015-May/msg00183.html .

Regards,
Ralf
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