[Orgmode] Vertical lines are broken in 6.28?

2009-07-24 Thread Yury GEORGIEVSKIY

Hello,

I've regenerate my .org doc with 6.28trans (was with 6.24)
and Vertical Lines, I want to keep -- not working anymore.
Ex:

| Legasy machines | # of BC | # of RTI connected |
|-+-+|
| /   |   < |  < |
| pca/ellse1  |   1 |   none |


This was OK before.


Thanks in advance,
Yury


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Re: R: [Orgmode] Vertical lines are broken in 6.28?

2009-07-24 Thread Yury GEORGIEVSKIY

Giovanni Ridolfi wrote:

--- Ven 24/7/09, Yury GEORGIEVSKIY  ha scritto:

I've regenerate my .org doc with 6.28trans (was with 6.24)
and Vertical Lines, I want to keep -- not working anymore.


what does it mean "vertical lines I want to keep?"
keep when? 
when exporting? and exporting to what? LaTeX? HTML?


Yes, when exporting to HTML (C-c C-e h), I want to keep
vertical lines.


Ex:



| Legasy machines | # of BC | # of RTI connected |
|-+-+|
| /   |   < |  < |
| pca/ellse1  |   1 |   none |


This was OK before.


This what? 
Could you, please, add more detail, add an example of the 
output (if the problen is during exporting) ?


If C-c C-e h is done on the example above -- boundaries between
column groups are not marked with vertical lines upon export.

While doing it in 6.24 -- produce vertical lines upon export.

Cheers,
Yury


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[Orgmode] Re: suggestion: converting plain lists to subtrees

2009-07-24 Thread Christian Egli
Bastien  writes:

>> Bastien -- I think C-c * could do with a mention in the manual section
>> on Plain Lists. Here's a patch which just copies the section on C-c *
>> from the Structure Editing section.
>
> Applied, thanks!

I'm not such a big fan of code or documentation duplication. Here's a
patch that removes this duplication and simply refers to the original
section on C-c *.

Thanks
Christian

diff --git a/doc/org.texi b/doc/org.texi
index 8a65f1a..37cad40 100644
--- a/doc/org.texi
+++ b/doc/org.texi
@@ -1437,13 +1437,8 @@ list.  Finally, even without an active region, a normal 
line will be
 converted into a list item.
 @kindex C-c *
 @item C-c *
-Turn a normal line or plain list item into a headline (so that it
-becomes a subheading at its location). Also turn a headline into a
-normal line by removing the stars. If there is an active region, turn
-all lines in the region into headlines. If the first line in the
-region was an item, turn only the item lines into headlines. Finally,
-if the first line is a headline, remove the stars from all headlines
-in the region.
+Turn a plain list item into a headline (so that it becomes a subheading at
+its location). @xref{Structure editing}, for a detailed explanation.
 @kindex s...@key{left}
 @kindex s...@key{right}
 @item s...@key{left}/@key{right}



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R: [Orgmode] Vertical lines are broken in 6.28?

2009-07-24 Thread Giovanni Ridolfi

--- Ven 24/7/09, Yury GEORGIEVSKIY  ha scritto:
> I've regenerate my .org doc with 6.28trans (was with 6.24)
> and Vertical Lines, I want to keep -- not working anymore.

what does it mean "vertical lines I want to keep?"
keep when? 
when exporting? and exporting to what? LaTeX? HTML?

> Ex:
> 

| Legasy machines | # of BC | # of RTI connected |
|-+-+|
| /   |   < |  < |
| pca/ellse1  |   1 |   none |

> This was OK before.

This what? 
Could you, please, add more detail, add an example of the 
output (if the problen is during exporting) ?

cheers,
Giovanni





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[Orgmode] Re: Org-mode and GPG (EasyPG)

2009-07-24 Thread Maurice
Hello org-moders,

Maybe  : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=503480

Where the maintainer said:

,
| Removing /usr/share/emacs-snapshot/site-lisp/easypg prevents
| this problem.
| 
| EasyPG is already integrated in the development version of Emacs,
| which will be 23.1 release.  So, please don't install the easypg
| files for the flavors emacs-snapshot and emacs23.
`

I use easypg without any problem.

Maurice



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Re: [Orgmode] Spreadsheet bug?

2009-07-24 Thread Stephan Schmitt
Andreas Burtzlaff wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 02:29:30 +0200 meingbg  wrote:
>> > | a |  b | c |
>> > |---++---|
>> > | a |  2 | 2 |
>> > | b |  3 | 7 |
>> > | c | -3 | 4 |
>> > | d |  5 | 9 |
>> > #+TBLFM: $3=...@-1::@2$3=$2
> 

> If @2$3 is manually set to 2 in the table, then the formulas produce
> the expected outcome. So, the problem seems to be the order of
> execution. If column c is cleared and the formulas are executed, @2$3
> is read to be 0 for the summation and is set to 2 only afterwards.
> Swapping the order in the TBLFM line doesn't help.
> 
> Is the order something like field formulas after column formulas?
> Any chance to influence that?

Evaluating the field formulas before the column formulas is in general a bad
idea.  Results of the field formulas will always be overwritten by the column
formulas (if there is a conflict).

Here you need to evaluate the spreadsheet twice to yield the intended result (I
get a 5 in field @2$3).  From info:org:Updating the table:

> `C-u C-u C-c *'
> `C-u C-u C-c C-c'
>  Iterate the table by recomputing it until no further changes occur.
>  This may be necessary if some computed fields use the value of
>  other fields that are computed later in the calculation sequence.

hth,
Stephan


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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org-mode and GPG (EasyPG)

2009-07-24 Thread Eric S Fraga
At Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:05:36 +0200,
Maurice wrote:
> 
> Hello org-moders,
> 
> Maybe  : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=503480

Brilliant!!  Many thanks.  Problem solved.

 
(now why didn't I think of checking Debian's bug reports???  sigh) 


Thanks again,
eric


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[Orgmode] Results of the SourceForge Community Award

2009-07-24 Thread Bastien
Hi all,

the results of the SCCA 2009 have been announced and the winner in our
category is portableapps.com, a platform to carry computer programs on 
a USB key.

Org-mode didn't win but it was really great to participate and to have
all these nice contributions from so many people!

A big thanks to all of you.  

Let's keep making Org a tool which changes the way _we_ do everything :)

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Re: [Orgmode] Results of the SourceForge Community Award

2009-07-24 Thread Greg Newman
That's not great news but in my book, org won.  Thanks for the update
Bastien.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:56 AM, Bastien wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> the results of the SCCA 2009 have been announced and the winner in our
> category is portableapps.com, a platform to carry computer programs on
> a USB key.
>
> Org-mode didn't win but it was really great to participate and to have
> all these nice contributions from so many people!
>
> A big thanks to all of you.
>
> Let's keep making Org a tool which changes the way _we_ do everything :)
>
> --
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Re: [Orgmode] Results of the SourceForge Community Award

2009-07-24 Thread jemarch

   the results of the SCCA 2009 have been announced and the winner in our
   category is portableapps.com, a platform to carry computer programs on 
   a USB key.

Blah :P

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Re: [Orgmode] Results of the SourceForge Community Award

2009-07-24 Thread Manish
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Bastien wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> the results of the SCCA 2009 have been announced and the winner in our
> category is portableapps.com, a platform to carry computer programs on
> a USB key.
>
> Org-mode didn't win but it was really great to participate and to have
> all these nice contributions from so many people!
>
> A big thanks to all of you.

I regularly use both PortableApps.com and Org-mode extensively. IMHO, we lost
to a worthy opponent.

>
>
> Let's keep making Org a tool which changes the way _we_ do everything :)

Yeah.  My sincere thanks to Carsten, you and all the contributors.

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[Orgmode] How to track time spent on a project

2009-07-24 Thread Geralt
Hi,

I want to track the time that I'll spend on a new project. For this
I'm planning to use org-mode's clocking feature, so far my first tests
(I've never used org-agenda before) showed me that I can do this
easily from the agenda view, as long as I have a DATE: property in my
node. And that's a bit of a problem because I don't really have a
scheduled date when I'm going to work on a part of this project.
Is there a way in org-mode to just clock the time and have the agenda
view show me on the views for every day (or time interval) just the
clocked times for every tree item that fall into this time
interval/range?
And how can I start clocking items that do not show up in the agenda
view? I'm not sure if it's understandable what I want, so I here's a
small example org-file and a description of what I want to see and how
I want to work on it:
Basic layout of the org-file:
* Part 1
  :CLOCK:
  CLOCK: [2009-07-20 Mon 12:40]--[2009-07-20 Mon 14:43] =>  2:03
  CLOCK: [2009-07-23 Thu 22:28]--[2009-07-23 Thu 22:48] =>  0:20
  :END:
* Part 2
  :CLOCK:
  CLOCK: [2009-07-24 Fri 09:45]--[2009-07-24 Fri 11:15] =>  1:30
  :END:

What I want:
(Re-)start at any time the clocking of one of either Part 1 or Part 2
whenever I'm working on it and get summaries of the total working
times on a day, week, or whatever time interval I want and the total
working time I've spent on the project or single parts on it.


I assume that a lot of you are using org-mode exactly for this purpose
and probably you know how to do it better, so if you have any
suggestions how I could do it better please tell me :-)




Thanks,

Geralt.


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Re: [Orgmode] How to track time spent on a project

2009-07-24 Thread Greg Newman
Take a look at this: http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#sec-7I use this
exact setup and it works perfectly


*Greg Newman*

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On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Geralt  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I want to track the time that I'll spend on a new project. For this
> I'm planning to use org-mode's clocking feature, so far my first tests
> (I've never used org-agenda before) showed me that I can do this
> easily from the agenda view, as long as I have a DATE: property in my
> node. And that's a bit of a problem because I don't really have a
> scheduled date when I'm going to work on a part of this project.
> Is there a way in org-mode to just clock the time and have the agenda
> view show me on the views for every day (or time interval) just the
> clocked times for every tree item that fall into this time
> interval/range?
> And how can I start clocking items that do not show up in the agenda
> view? I'm not sure if it's understandable what I want, so I here's a
> small example org-file and a description of what I want to see and how
> I want to work on it:
> Basic layout of the org-file:
> * Part 1
>  :CLOCK:
>  CLOCK: [2009-07-20 Mon 12:40]--[2009-07-20 Mon 14:43] =>  2:03
>  CLOCK: [2009-07-23 Thu 22:28]--[2009-07-23 Thu 22:48] =>  0:20
>  :END:
> * Part 2
>  :CLOCK:
>  CLOCK: [2009-07-24 Fri 09:45]--[2009-07-24 Fri 11:15] =>  1:30
>  :END:
>
> What I want:
> (Re-)start at any time the clocking of one of either Part 1 or Part 2
> whenever I'm working on it and get summaries of the total working
> times on a day, week, or whatever time interval I want and the total
> working time I've spent on the project or single parts on it.
>
>
> I assume that a lot of you are using org-mode exactly for this purpose
> and probably you know how to do it better, so if you have any
> suggestions how I could do it better please tell me :-)
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geralt.
>
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[Orgmode] Re: How to track time spent on a project

2009-07-24 Thread Bernt Hansen
Geralt  writes:

> I want to track the time that I'll spend on a new project. For this
> I'm planning to use org-mode's clocking feature, so far my first tests
> (I've never used org-agenda before) showed me that I can do this
> easily from the agenda view, as long as I have a DATE: property in my
> node. And that's a bit of a problem because I don't really have a
> scheduled date when I'm going to work on a part of this project.
> Is there a way in org-mode to just clock the time and have the agenda
> view show me on the views for every day (or time interval) just the
> clocked times for every tree item that fall into this time
> interval/range?
> And how can I start clocking items that do not show up in the agenda
> view?

Just visit the org file with the task you want to clock in and do C-c
C-x C-i to clock it in.  C-c C-x C-o stops the clock (or when you clock
in something else it stops).  You can only clock one thing at a time.
Play with it in a test task to see how it works.

You can clock in from the agenda directly (if it's visible there) with
just I (and O for clock out)

I've documented how I use clocking stuff here:

http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#Clocking

>I'm not sure if it's understandable what I want, so I here's a
> small example org-file and a description of what I want to see and how
> I want to work on it:
> Basic layout of the org-file:
> * Part 1
>   :CLOCK:
>   CLOCK: [2009-07-20 Mon 12:40]--[2009-07-20 Mon 14:43] =>  2:03
>   CLOCK: [2009-07-23 Thu 22:28]--[2009-07-23 Thu 22:48] =>  0:20
>   :END:
> * Part 2
>   :CLOCK:
>   CLOCK: [2009-07-24 Fri 09:45]--[2009-07-24 Fri 11:15] =>  1:30
>   :END:
>
> What I want:
> (Re-)start at any time the clocking of one of either Part 1 or Part 2
> whenever I'm working on it and get summaries of the total working
> times on a day, week, or whatever time interval I want and the total
> working time I've spent on the project or single parts on it.
>
>
> I assume that a lot of you are using org-mode exactly for this purpose
> and probably you know how to do it better, so if you have any
> suggestions how I could do it better please tell me :-)

The agenda is not limited to date ranges.  You can find tasks to clock
in via the agenda in lots of ways such as:

  - tags searches  (C-c a m)
  - org-occur searches by regexp (C-c a /)
  - custom agenda view

etc.

I tend to clock in tasks that show up on my agenda for today, or from
STARTED or NEXT tag searches.

HTH,

Bernt


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Re: [Orgmode] Re: org-mode meets git a first proposal ?!

2009-07-24 Thread Jason F. McBrayer
Matthew Lundin  writes:

> That said, I think it would be nice to be able to create links to
> particular git commits. 

Yes, I think that's 80% of the benefit of this idea for 20% of the
work.   It might be generalizable to, to say when creating a file link
that if the file is under version control, to have a simple link syntax
for specifying a revision, and make it simple to specify the revision
that was active when the link was made.

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Re: [Orgmode] Clean Org Clock with step

2009-07-24 Thread meingbg
Thank you, this one would save my eyes a bit!

Just looking at the output, maybe this could be implemented as a regexp
replace on the entire block performed after putting together the tables?
Just thinking it might save you some headache, if you don't think it's too
ugly of a hack.

And while I'm at it - my employer requires me to report not only what I'm
doing and how long it takes, but also when I'm doing it. I assume most
people wouldn't benefit from a feature like this, and that there are many
other things on the wish list with higher priority, so I'm just asking if
someone could point out an API guide or something like that, it would be
wonderful.

Thanks again!

//meingbg

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Bastien wrote:

> meingbg  writes:
>
> > When using the :step day option in the clocktable, every day gets it's
> own
> > table. This is a great option! It can however easily be a lot of tables,
> even
> > if there's not too much information. Say for example there are only items
> in
> > two out of thirty tables.
> >
> > Is there an option to show only non-empty tables? If not, would it be a
> good
> > idea to add such an option?
>
> Yes, I think it would be a good idea.
>
> I've been looking into the code for this, but this is not trivial.
> I let Carsten sort this out :)
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[Orgmode] Script to get org-mode working on your cell phone.

2009-07-24 Thread meingbg
Hi,

I recently ran across this comment in the org-mode survey:


> I'm on the lookout for a cell phone that runs Emacs, but… I haven't
> found any mechanisms for remotely adding/editing timestamps,
> changing the state of TODO items, etc. Neither have I found a way
> to trigger reminder sounds, e-mails, phone calls, or IM messages.
> I'm not sure about the best way to approach "mobile org-mode"…
> A web-interface like Webjimbo? More robust import/export/sync to
> iCal or GData? If we can find a way to usefully sync org-mode with
> mobile devices, it'll be just about perfect.


After reading that comment, I wrote cellphone.el that makes it possible to
actually do stuff in emacs on your cell phone.
I have a cell phone with a ssh app, a (very) small qwerty keyboard and
left/right arrow keys, but since there's no Ctrl or Alt keys, working in
Emacs is a pain (every time you need the Ctrl key, you need to go through a
menu). cellphone.el works by setting up several "cellphone keymaps". Each
cellphone keymap binds the letter keys a-z to commands of your choice. An
"orgmode" keymap is included as an example. You can easily select the keymap
with left/right arrow keys.

Please let me know your opinion about the script, as well as any tips of
getting more productive with orgmode on your cell phone.

The script is attached.

//meingbg


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Re: [Orgmode] Results of the SourceForge Community Award

2009-07-24 Thread Russell Adams
Maybe we should make a portable org-mode! ;]

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 05:07:14PM +0530, Manish wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Bastien wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > the results of the SCCA 2009 have been announced and the winner in our
> > category is portableapps.com, a platform to carry computer programs on
> > a USB key.
> >
> > Org-mode didn't win but it was really great to participate and to have
> > all these nice contributions from so many people!
> >
> > A big thanks to all of you.
> 
> I regularly use both PortableApps.com and Org-mode extensively. IMHO, we lost
> to a worthy opponent.
> 
> >
> >
> > Let's keep making Org a tool which changes the way _we_ do everything :)
> 
> Yeah.  My sincere thanks to Carsten, you and all the contributors.
> 
> Best regards
> -- 
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Re: [Orgmode] Results of the SourceForge Community Award

2009-07-24 Thread Chris Willard
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Russell Adams wrote:

> Maybe we should make a portable org-mode! ;]
[snip (50 lines)]

All ready using it on my USB stick!

TTFN


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Re: [Orgmode] Spreadsheet bug?

2009-07-24 Thread meingbg
> I suspect @2$3 was 4 when you evaluated the formulas, hence the 7.
> If you clear column c completely, what is the output of the evaluation then?

The same. And so now I can't reproduce my original problem... that's
good, I guess.

> A good solution is to use
> $3=vsum(@-I$-1..$-1)

That works. Thanks!


Here's another thing I'm trying:

| a |  b |   c |
|   |  7 | 210 |
|---++-|
| a |  2 |  30 |
| b |  3 |   5 |
| c | -3 |   2 |
| d |  5 |   7 |
#+TBLFM: @2$2=vsum(@3$...@6$2)::@2$3=vsum(@3$3..$LR3)

I want row 2 to contain sums for what's below. Is there a way to make
the LR-reference work here?

//meingbg


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[Orgmode] Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

2009-07-24 Thread Matthew Lundin
Chris Willard  writes:

> On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Russell Adams wrote:
>
>> Maybe we should make a portable org-mode! ;]
> [snip (50 lines)]
>
> All ready using it on my USB stick!
>
> TTFN

Yes, that's the irony here: if you exclude webapps (which aren't nearly
as capable), emacs + org-mode is one of the most portable PIMs available
right now. I.e., it will run on any platform, on a usb stick, via ssh,
etc.

Thanks again to Carsten, Bastien, and everyone for org-mode!

- Matt


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[Orgmode] Re: org-mode meets git a first proposal ?!

2009-07-24 Thread Torsten Wagner
2009/7/24 Matthew Lundin 

> Torsten Wagner  writes:
>
> [...]
>
> > First of all everything which org-mode is aware of is within a
> > git-repro. That makes it highly portable. If you like to use your
> > complete working environment (your org-files and all linked files) on
> > another computer a easy "git clone git://myfirstcomputer/org.git" will
> > do the job never miss a file  For sure, a little script within
> > emacs might make it easier as well, just ask for the source address
> > and destination and a few seconds to minutes later you will find your
> > complete org-mode work-environment on the other machine.
>
> Though I can't address your idea of creating links to git revisions (I
> believe this idea was discussed here recently), you might want to check
> out org-attach.el as a way of pulling all relevant files into a git
> repo.
>
>
Thanks Matt to guide me to org-attach.el. You are right it might cover great
parts of what I was looking to do.
I will try it and see how fare it fits

one of my org-files, I simply use vc-next-action (C-x v v) to check in
> recent changes. Also I make heavy use of vc-log, vc-annotate, vc-diff,
> etc. to survey changes to a file.
>
> I also highly recommend magit. It makes it very easy to manage all
> recent uncommitted changes to a git repo. Thanks to magit and vc-git, I
>

I use a git-mode too. Unfortunately it seems there are several concurrent
git-mode implementations available.
I will check out for vc and magit... overall it look like maybe great
portions of "my" idea are realised in one or the other form already.
Maybe there is only some more glue necessary to bind all this together to
make it even more easy to use it directly in org-mode ?!


> That said, I think it would be nice to be able to create links to
> particular git commits.


In my post I thought I like to give a picture of what might be all possible
by combining git and org-mode. However my initial idea was to preserve
links.
Thus, I have no problem to synthesis the idea to a much more clean and
foccused point of having  *frozen-links*.

If I link to a file which is part of a git-repro (maybe added by
org-attach.el) I would like to have the option to tag the git-repro and
visit the state of the git-repro at the time the link was created. A link
might look like [the link]@ or [the link]@"first commit line"   to
indicate that this is a "frozen" link in a git system, different colours
might indicate whehter the content changed already over time.

I think only this new feature might be able to introduce org-mode as a very
nice tool the managment of programming projects. All programmers of an
project can beside of the source code keep org-files for more verbose
description and ideas with plenty links to the source code itself and the
frozen links make sure that the thinks they refer to never become wrong or
obsolete.

In general, I just realised that org-mode might be an nice solution for
programming project managment. Starting from writing up your requirement
specification, discussion and explaination among the dev-team as well as the
documentation. All can be done in a org-file beside the source code helping
to make make comments in the source code itself not to verbose.

Nice will try it out soon

As for all the other parts which might be an advantage by using git, you
might be right and it is covered by the tools you mentioned already.

Thanks for your ideas and suggestions.

Greetings,

Totti
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Re: [Orgmode] Re: org-mode meets git a first proposal ?!

2009-07-24 Thread Torsten Wagner
2009/7/24 Jason F. McBrayer 

> Matthew Lundin  writes:
>
> > That said, I think it would be nice to be able to create links to
> > particular git commits.
>
> Yes, I think that's 80% of the benefit of this idea for 20% of the
> work.   It might be generalizable to, to say when creating a file link
> that if the file is under version control, to have a simple link syntax
> for specifying a revision, and make it simple to specify the revision
> that was active when the link was made.


Dear Jasonm
thanks for focusing my woolly thoughts
you and Matt are right... first of all I like the idea of having frozen
links
everything else might be a "nice to have" or might be covered by other modes
already

Greetings

Totti
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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

2009-07-24 Thread Raffi R
Org-mode has virtually replaced a large number of Emacs modes for me.
I haven't even figured out how to communicate to Emacs users and
non-users alike how much it has changed my workflow. Every day it
seems I discover some new feature, or try to hack something on that's
already there.

Thank you Carsten, Bastien, and everyone, especially the community,
for such a useful tool!

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Matthew Lundin wrote:
> Chris Willard  writes:
>
>> On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Russell Adams wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe we should make a portable org-mode! ;]
>> [snip (50 lines)]
>>
>> All ready using it on my USB stick!
>>
>> TTFN
>
> Yes, that's the irony here: if you exclude webapps (which aren't nearly
> as capable), emacs + org-mode is one of the most portable PIMs available
> right now. I.e., it will run on any platform, on a usb stick, via ssh,
> etc.
>
> Thanks again to Carsten, Bastien, and everyone for org-mode!
>
> - Matt
>
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Re: [Orgmode] Script to get org-mode working on your cell phone.

2009-07-24 Thread Eric S Fraga
At Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:56:24 +0200,
meingbg wrote:

[...]

> After reading that comment, I wrote cellphone.el that makes it possible to
> actually do stuff in emacs on your cell phone.

Thanks.  This looks quite useful for use on my Nokia N800 (not a
phone; it's an internet tablet but it's just a little bigger than a
phone).  I like the concept of your switchable keymaps.  I'll let you
know how I get on when I get around to trying it out!

eric


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[Orgmode] Re: How to track time spent on a project

2009-07-24 Thread Geralt
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Bernt Hansen wrote:
> Just visit the org file with the task you want to clock in and do C-c
> C-x C-i to clock it in.  C-c C-x C-o stops the clock (or when you clock
> in something else it stops).  You can only clock one thing at a time.
> Play with it in a test task to see how it works.
>
> You can clock in from the agenda directly (if it's visible there) with
> just I (and O for clock out)
>
Hi,

thanks, that's working fine :-)


> I've documented how I use clocking stuff here:
>
> http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#Clocking
>
I already looked into that, but I couldn't find how to track the time
of entries without a DATE property.

> The agenda is not limited to date ranges.  You can find tasks to clock
> in via the agenda in lots of ways such as:
>
>  - tags searches  (C-c a m)
>  - org-occur searches by regexp (C-c a /)
>  - custom agenda view
>
I tried that, but when searching for matching tasks I  can't see their
clocked time in this view (when pressing R org tells me that this
operation is not allowed in such a buffer).
What I just tried was to add a DATE property like this:
  :DATE:
  DATE: <2009-07-24 Fri>
  DATE: <2009-07-20 Thu>
  :END:
With this I can see the task in the agenda and see the clocked
time(s), but I have to add an entry every time I'm working on it (and
it's redundant because this information is already in the CLOCK
property).
I haven't used a custom agenda before, is there a way to create one
that shows tasks in a timeline by looking at the dates in the CLOCK
property?



Thanks for your replies, yours too Greg.


Geralt.


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[Orgmode] Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

2009-07-24 Thread User
Bastien  googlemail.com> writes:
> 
> Org-mode didn't win but it was really great to participate and to have
> all these nice contributions from so many people!

No wonder it didn't win. Non-emacs users have few incentive to
try it, since they think emacs is bad looking and primitve in
general, so they are looking for something more flashy instead
and do not even try it.

On the other hand org-mode needs some marketing in the emacs
community as well. I'm a longtime emacs user and heard about org
mode before, but I thought it was something overly complex and
looked for simpler solutions. Then I tried it one day and was
blown away by how mature it was and how well written the
documentation was.

So it's a natural fit for an emacs user, but obviously alien for
people how don't use emacs and don't know the Emacs Way of doing
things.





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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

2009-07-24 Thread Raffi R
That's an interesting point. I started using org-mode randomly,
because I was writing an outline and didn't care for outline-mode and
figured org-mode should be compatible. After I'd used it for a couple
outlines, I found it could export to HTML. And LaTeX. And worked as a
day planner...

In terms of marketing within the Emacs community, it might be worth
advertising it as an outline-mode replacement. Has anyone written a
simple tutorial explaining how to use org-mode just in this way, and
then providing a link to, say, the manual/Worg at the end? Most of the
tutorials I've seen have been focused on org's time-management
capabilities. But the ability to type up an outline, manage that
outline, expand it into a document, and export it separately as a
Beamer presentation with notes, a PDF, and a webpage are "killer app"
functionality in their own right!

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1:19 PM, User wrote:
> Bastien  googlemail.com> writes:
>>
>> Org-mode didn't win but it was really great to participate and to have
>> all these nice contributions from so many people!
>
> No wonder it didn't win. Non-emacs users have few incentive to
> try it, since they think emacs is bad looking and primitve in
> general, so they are looking for something more flashy instead
> and do not even try it.
>
> On the other hand org-mode needs some marketing in the emacs
> community as well. I'm a longtime emacs user and heard about org
> mode before, but I thought it was something overly complex and
> looked for simpler solutions. Then I tried it one day and was
> blown away by how mature it was and how well written the
> documentation was.
>
> So it's a natural fit for an emacs user, but obviously alien for
> people how don't use emacs and don't know the Emacs Way of doing
> things.
>
>
>
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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

2009-07-24 Thread Gabi Danon
Until about a month ago, I was a non-emacs user; and indeed, I thought
it's bad looking and, in some respects, primitive. The reason I started
using it anyway is org-mode: I wanted a decent outliner, and none of
the others I tried fit my way of working. So I gave it a try despite
the way it looks.

Now I use emacs+org-mode for outlining, planning, taking notes,
drafting papers, and almost anything else that has to do with text. As
far as I'm concerned, org-mode is no longer just 'likely to change' the
way I do everything.

Gabi

User  wrote:

> No wonder it didn't win. Non-emacs users have few incentive to
> try it, since they think emacs is bad looking and primitve in
> general, so they are looking for something more flashy instead
> and do not even try it.


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[Orgmode] Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

2009-07-24 Thread Matthew Lundin
Raffi R  writes:

> That's an interesting point. I started using org-mode randomly,
> because I was writing an outline and didn't care for outline-mode and
> figured org-mode should be compatible. After I'd used it for a couple
> outlines, I found it could export to HTML. And LaTeX. And worked as a
> day planner...
>
> In terms of marketing within the Emacs community, it might be worth
> advertising it as an outline-mode replacement. Has anyone written a
> simple tutorial explaining how to use org-mode just in this way, and
> then providing a link to, say, the manual/Worg at the end? Most of the
> tutorials I've seen have been focused on org's time-management
> capabilities. But the ability to type up an outline, manage that
> outline, expand it into a document, and export it separately as a
> Beamer presentation with notes, a PDF, and a webpage are "killer app"
> functionality in their own right!

This is a very helpful discussion. I'm currently working on a tutorial
and screencast that highlights the outlining/publishing features of
org-mode that work without any customization ("org-mode out of the box,"
so to speak). I'll try to get it online as soon as I can.

I think GTD-fatigue is one of the major reasons that people might not be
aware of just how powerful and versatile org-mode is. My highly
unscientific conclusion is that many people think of it as one more
GTD/day-planner/time-management application, when, in fact, it could can
as a fully functional outliner, plain-text database, "word processor,"
spreadsheet, etc.

As evidence in support of your point, here's an article on "5 Linux
Outliners" from Linux.com (Oct. 2008) that only mentions Emacs outliner
in passing ("very basic," it says). Org-mode is conspicuous in its
absence:

http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/149401

Best,
Matt





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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

2009-07-24 Thread Eric S Fraga
At Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:43:04 -0400, Raffi R wrote:
> 
> That's an interesting point. I started using org-mode randomly,
> because I was writing an outline and didn't care for outline-mode and
> figured org-mode should be compatible. After I'd used it for a couple
> outlines, I found it could export to HTML. And LaTeX. And worked as a
> day planner...
> 
> In terms of marketing within the Emacs community, it might be worth
> advertising it as an outline-mode replacement. Has anyone written a
> simple tutorial explaining how to use org-mode just in this way, and
> then providing a link to, say, the manual/Worg at the end? Most of the

I am a very long time emacs user (~25 years) (mind you, I'm an even
longer vi user... ;-) but even I didn't start using org-mode until
recently (last year).  I did try it a couple of years ago but wasn't
impressed for some reason.  In the meantime, I started using planner,
muse and todo.  I'd used outline-mode for quite a while.  Anyway, I
subsequently ran across Carsten's google tech talk and I decided to
try org-mode again.  What a difference!  I think having used all these
disparate tools, each with their own way of working, and then finding
that org-mode essentially handled all of them in a consistent manner
was a huge selling point.

Essentially, what I'm saying is that Carsten's tech talk is one key
advertising element we should ensure stays prominent wherever possible!

eric


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[Orgmode] Subfloats in LaTeX

2009-07-24 Thread Raffi R
Dear community,

How do I stick a group of figures together (i.e. so that I have Fig. 1
and then a, b, c)?

Alternatively, is there a way I can keep images inline and yet use
captions? Whenever I add a #+CAPTION:, it's turned into \figure and
floating is turned on.

What I'm trying to do is make a section that consists of a sequence of images.

I've searched the orgmode manual but can't figure out a way short of
generating the LaTeX file and editing it directly (hardly ideal!).

That said, I've never tried to do this in LaTeX  so I guess it may not
be possible (although it would surprise me!).


Thank you very much,

- Raffi.


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[Orgmode] Re: Subfloats in LaTeX

2009-07-24 Thread Raffi R
A table seems to work to force the inlining. For curiosity's sake, is
there a more idiomatic way to do it?

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Raffi R wrote:
> Dear community,
>
> How do I stick a group of figures together (i.e. so that I have Fig. 1
> and then a, b, c)?
>
> Alternatively, is there a way I can keep images inline and yet use
> captions? Whenever I add a #+CAPTION:, it's turned into \figure and
> floating is turned on.
>
> What I'm trying to do is make a section that consists of a sequence of images.
>
> I've searched the orgmode manual but can't figure out a way short of
> generating the LaTeX file and editing it directly (hardly ideal!).
>
> That said, I've never tried to do this in LaTeX  so I guess it may not
> be possible (although it would surprise me!).
>
>
> Thank you very much,
>
> - Raffi.
>


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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

2009-07-24 Thread Cian OConnor
Gabi Danon  writes:

Org-mode is the killer app for emacs, surely? It is the reason I'm using
Emacs again after a five year gap - and not just org-mode, but BBDB and
GNUS as well.

One of the things that I find astonishing is that it does so many
disparate things so well. For planning and organising there is nothing
to match its flexibility AND its power; yet it doesn't force any
particular method of organising on you. They all work, and you can be as
sloppy as you like.

As an outliner...well it is THE outliner as far as I'm concerned. For
years I've been searching for the perfect writing tool. I found it.

Cian

> Until about a month ago, I was a non-emacs user; and indeed, I thought
> it's bad looking and, in some respects, primitive. The reason I started
> using it anyway is org-mode: I wanted a decent outliner, and none of
> the others I tried fit my way of working. So I gave it a try despite
> the way it looks.
>
> Now I use emacs+org-mode for outlining, planning, taking notes,
> drafting papers, and almost anything else that has to do with text. As
> far as I'm concerned, org-mode is no longer just 'likely to change' the
> way I do everything.
>
> Gabi
>
> User  wrote:
>
>> No wonder it didn't win. Non-emacs users have few incentive to
>> try it, since they think emacs is bad looking and primitve in
>> general, so they are looking for something more flashy instead
>> and do not even try it.
>
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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

2009-07-24 Thread Bastien
Raffi R  writes:

> In terms of marketing within the Emacs community, it might be worth
> advertising it as an outline-mode replacement. Has anyone written a
> simple tutorial explaining how to use org-mode just in this way, and
> then providing a link to, say, the manual/Worg at the end? 

I am working on a simple Worg page which will describe what are the
benefits of org-mode over outline-mode as a major-mode for the Emacs
files like etc/TODO and admin/FOR-RELEASE.

I hope this will be good enough to convince Emacs developers.  
If so, it will certainly give more exposure to org-mode.

-- 
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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

2009-07-24 Thread Bastien
Matthew Lundin  writes:

> http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/149401

Well, I guess the writer had a small bias toward Vim against Emacs and
for sure he wasn't aware of Org-mode :)

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

2009-07-24 Thread Greg Newman
Bastien,Might I suggest taking it a little further and maybe put a matrix.
 Include apps outside of org like OmniFocus, Things, Remember the milk, etc.
 Might get some non-emacs users to look at it.


*Greg Newman*

http://20seven.org

twitter: 20seven

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Bastien wrote:

> Raffi R  writes:
>
> > In terms of marketing within the Emacs community, it might be worth
> > advertising it as an outline-mode replacement. Has anyone written a
> > simple tutorial explaining how to use org-mode just in this way, and
> > then providing a link to, say, the manual/Worg at the end?
>
> I am working on a simple Worg page which will describe what are the
> benefits of org-mode over outline-mode as a major-mode for the Emacs
> files like etc/TODO and admin/FOR-RELEASE.
>
> I hope this will be good enough to convince Emacs developers.
> If so, it will certainly give more exposure to org-mode.
>
> --
>  Bastien
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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

2009-07-24 Thread Bastien
Greg Newman  writes:

> Might I suggest taking it a little further and maybe put a matrix.  Include
> apps outside of org like OmniFocus, Things, Remember the milk, etc.  Might get
> some non-emacs users to look at it.

Good idea!  I've just created a page for this on Worg:

  http://orgmode.org/worg/gtd-software-comparison.php

But I was talking about something different.  The page I had in mind is
just about why we should org-mode in some Emacs files like etc/TODO.

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

2009-07-24 Thread Bastien
Bastien  writes:

> Greg Newman  writes:
>
>> Might I suggest taking it a little further and maybe put a matrix.  Include
>> apps outside of org like OmniFocus, Things, Remember the milk, etc.  Might 
>> get
>> some non-emacs users to look at it.
>
> Good idea!  I've just created a page for this on Worg:
>
>   http://orgmode.org/worg/gtd-software-comparison.php

Oops...  I forgot to add flashy DIY affordances:

  *PlEaSe CoNtRiBuTe To ThE WoRg FiLe AbOVe!*

:)

-- 
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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

2009-07-24 Thread Eric S Fraga
At Sat, 25 Jul 2009 00:40:08 +0200,
Bastien wrote:

[...]

> But I was talking about something different.  The page I had in mind is
> just about why we should org-mode in some Emacs files like etc/TODO.

Further on what can sell org-mode, having pondered why I started using
org-mode in earnest once I had my interest in it piqued by Carsten's
video, I realised that it was org-remember!  Being able to
effortlessly file away notes, with minimal interruption to the task at
hand, and knowing that I would be able to find these notes easily and
quickly again, was a key attraction in my continued use of org-mode.

eric


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[Orgmode] Current Documentation

2009-07-24 Thread David A. Gershman

Which documentation is maintained better, the online HTML or PDF?

Thanks.

---
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[Orgmode] SEQ_TODO and Headline percentages

2009-07-24 Thread David A. Gershman

Hi Everyone,

Is there a way for non-SEQ_TODO labeled sub-headings to still count in
the headline percentage?

Examples are in order...

Currently:
* Some Project [100%]
 As you can see in this example, the headings % is 100 because
 the first sub heading has no "SEQ_TODO" label.
  * Sub heading with no SEQ_TODO label
  * DONE sub heading with label

Desired:
* Some Project [50%]
 Note the non-labeled sub-heading results in only 50%
  * Sub heading with no SEQ_TODO label
  * DONE sub heading with label

At the current time, my "fix" is to go ahead and give a label to all
sub-headings.  So the above example would have to have something,
perhaps "CREATED" or "Qd" (queued).  I'm hoping to alleviate this.

Thanks, and glad to be back with Org-Mode...

---
David A. Gershman
gersh...@dagertech.net
http://dagertech.net/gershman/
"It's all about the path!" --d. gershman


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Re: [Orgmode] Current Documentation

2009-07-24 Thread Bastien
"David A. Gershman"  writes:

> Which documentation is maintained better, the online HTML or PDF?

The org.texi file, which is part of org-mode and regularily exported as
html or PDF on the website.

HTH,

-- 
 Bastien


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