Re: [DNG] Multiple resignations from Freenode's staff ??? New drama shake the opensource
It's a spelling change! Thanks Rick, for this lighthearted take on this! Very much welcome and appreciated on my part. It appears that Mr. Lee's corporate entity "freenode Limited" has, at least for now, Registrant status for three Internet domains, freenode.net/org/com. Mr. Lee appears to have no other assets relevant to what until now was called Freenode and, probably by the end of Thursday, his time, his three Internet domains will point to no Internet infrastructure, as it will all disaffiliate and reconstitute itself as "LiberaChat" -- as is happening in real time as I write this. This actually is the "dream" of any infra person facing a relentless ego-bloated hijacker above in such a situation. As you pointed out, it's not an isolated incident, and I also witnessed that happening years ago amongst aviation simmers/enthusiasts at IVAO. ivao.org attempted hijacking by the domain owner, which resulted in a split and a move to ivao.aero... which then hosted the actual infra. ivao.org promised it would continue services, called for staff to remain, but the technical know-how and assets actually slipped between that guy's fingers. Today, ivao.org is an empty shell, progressively forgotten by elders and unknown from the newcomers. Sounds familiar? (o: I do hope that change does not hurt IRC use more than it was already, albeit I somehom know it does/will. IRC is not popular amongst the masses anymore, as the general population get more and more individualistic, and does not think nor care about principles behind the products they seek using, usually proprietary, free of charge or not. Grab the pop-corn, Bernard (Beer) Rosset https://rosset.net/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Multiple resignations from Freenode's staff ??? New drama shake the opensource
Morning @ll, Στις 20/5/21 5:17 π.μ., ο/η Rick Moen έγραψε: It appears that Mr. Lee's corporate entity "freenode Limited" has, at least for now, Registrant status for three Internet domains, freenode.net/org/com. Mr. Lee appears to have no other assets relevant to what until now was called Freenode and, probably by the end of Thursday, his time, his three Internet domains will point to no Internet infrastructure, as it will all disaffiliate and reconstitute itself as "LiberaChat" -- as is happening in real time as I write this. there are lawyers-threats involved and he took infra too. so it's not that simple/light as you're presenting it. announced here as well : https://twitter.com/freenodestaff what's most troublesome is that thousands of user data passed control without any info/consent.. to the crown prince - mt gox scammer(!) p.s. most of the "spelling" paradigms you wrote, are not like that.. but probably OT.. OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Multiple resignations from Freenode's staff ??? New drama shake the opensource
Quoting Dimitris via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org): > there are lawyers-threats involved and he took infra too. so it's > not that simple/light as you're presenting it. > announced here as well : https://twitter.com/freenodestaff As always, persons involve will need to judge for themselves whether legal inevitable blustering must be paid any attention at all, and what attention if any. It is extremely common to threaten vaguely described tort action against software and project forks, by the way. You have not bothered to state what your point is. So, I provisionally conclude that you don't have one beyond "the person is making vague legal threats against departed staff", which is of course exactly what one expects in this situation. And? (Actually, no. I'd rather you not tell me. Yes, I know that computer geeks throw their handkerchiefs and have a fainting spell when someone issues bushwah tort threats, even when those threats aren't against them. I just don't think this mental aberration warrants my time.) > what's most troublesome is that thousands of user data passed > control without any info/consent.. to the crown prince - mt gox > scammer(!) If you don't wish to have the association between your IRC nick and your e-mail address, which ISTR is the entirety of what this term "thousands of user data" refers to, then go tell Freenode's NickServ to "DROP" your nick. (Personally, I think that's pretty feeble 'user data'.) Anyway, the above has no obvious connection to the prior discussion, but you do you. > p.s. most of the "spelling" paradigms you wrote, are not like that.. > but probably OT.. (1) It's a metaphor. Obviously. (2) In every case I cited, the core concept I spoke of applied, that in essence the project continued but left the old name behind. The point is that this is a frequent and somewhat normal pattern in software, and part of the grand tradition to fork if necessary in order to get away from something that stands in the way of the project. My point should be self-evident, so I don't intend to waste time arguing with you just because you wish to debate the self-evidently true. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Multiple resignations from Freenode's staff ??? New drama shake the opensource
Quoting Bernard Rosset via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org):
> Thanks Rick, for this lighthearted take on this!
> Very much welcome and appreciated on my part.
Yr. very welcome.
> This actually is the "dream" of any infra person facing a relentless
> ego-bloated hijacker above in such a situation.
I was part of a Linux effort that went through this, when I was a senior
editor for the online monthly magazine Linux Gazette. Our founding
editor John M. Fisk, MD had, around issue 4, accepted a kind offer from
SSC, Inc. (at that time publishers of Linux Journal) to provide Web
hosting for the magazine. Many years later, SSC, Inc. announced without
consulting the magazine staff that it would be turning the
linuxgazette.com Web site into a continuously evolving Drupal site
without magazine issues or an editor. (SSC's newly hired webmaster just
happened to be a Drupal enthusiast.)
The magazine staff found this didn't meet the magazine's needs and moved
to new hosting the staff themselves built and paid for, at
linuxgazette.net . To our surprise, SSC, Inc. objected bitterly,
claimed to own the branding (hence, trademark) rights to Linux Gazette
(a claim I later eviscerated by checking with Dr. Fisk), and threatened
us with trademark litigation and UDRP proceedings.
Unfortunately for SSC, several members of the Gazette's staff including
me had a working knowledge of trademark and other tort law, we politely
called their bluff, and... nothing happened. Despite numerous people
telling us very emotionally that we needed to capitulate and beg for
mercy, it turned out that SSC, Inc. had no leverage and no plausible
cause of action, and merely made a lot of noise (and attempted a USPTO
trademark registration, which failed for bad drafting before we could
even file opposition[1]). The magazine continued healthily for many years,
until it finally collapsed for unrelated staff reasons.
The people on LWN.net's reader feedback forums who confidently told me,
when LWN was covering SSC's legalistic blustering, that my analysis of
SSC's position being a paper tiger was delusional on my part, that I
needed to surrender instantly, that I was only a technogeek and should
meekly give in to the demands of an actual corporation, etc., somehow
never got back to me to say I was correct and to apologise. Funny about
that.
FWIW, long ago, I wrote a mostly popular essay about the history of
forking in software projects:
http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Licensing_and_Law/forking.html
{1] I pointed out at the time that, because Linux Gazette was a
completely non-commercial magazine, even completely valid trademark
rights, being enforceable only in commerce, would be toothless to
prevent our continuing to use our name. In addition, when I wrote to
Dr. Fisk and asked if he'd assigned any commercial rights to SSC
pursuant to the hosting offer, and he said "absolutely no", that killed
SSC's trademark-based monopoly effort stone-cold.
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[DNG] Ossec-hids for Beowulf
Hello, I need to install an ossec-hids (from www.ossec.net) agent on a Devuan Beowulf PPC64 machine. AFAIK the .deb package is not supported direcly by Devuan and I cannot find a Debian PPC version. Compiling would be trivial if I can get pcre2 devel libs and .h, wich I'm unable to find for Beowulf. What sould I do? Thanks to all in aadvance, Luciano. -- /"\ /Via A. Salaino, 7 - 20144 Milano (Italy) \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN / PHONE : +39 02485781 FAX: +39 0248028247 X AGAINST HTML MAIL/ E-MAIL: posthams...@sublink.sublink.org / \ AND POSTINGS/ WWW: http://www.lesassaie.IT/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Multiple resignations from Freenode's staff ??? New drama shake the opensource
there are lawyers-threats involved and he took infra too. so it's not that simple/light as you're presenting it. To the best of my knowledge, the muppet got *access* to operations, yes. For the hosting part, staffers have repeatedly confirmed the hardware was donations from third-parties, with no contract/paperwork tying them in any way to this corporation thingy, which is just really a shell. As for the software, it's FOSS (FLOSS, even?), maintained and even developed/improved by said staffers over time, on their free time, without contract or ties of any sort either. If hardware and/or people was/were to shift purpose, the ego-maniac stirring all that crap would (will?) be powerless. It feels all like a legal scam. The problem being, and the reason why staffers resigned and moved on to another project, is that said ego-maniac seems to have money, and hence could be able to drown/stretch any legal action over time, requiring a lot of effort/stress/money to fight, resources staffers do not seem equipped with. IMHO all threats are void, and the takeover will fail, damaging the freenode name, removing from public access a long-standing, well-identified name of ever-working IRC services. This man seems to be a vulture, wishing to capitalize on the domain name's worth. He doesn't seem to realize the value is in the underlying services, which are not his. That's only logical, as ego is by nature not an expression of rationality. Bernard (Beer) Rosset https://rosset.net/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Multiple resignations from Freenode's staff ??? New drama shake the opensource
On 20/05/2021 09:03, Bernard Rosset via Dng wrote: > I do hope that change does not hurt IRC use more than it was already, > albeit I somehom know it does/will. > IRC is not popular amongst the masses anymore, as the general > population get more and more individualistic, and does not think nor > care about principles behind the products they seek using, usually > proprietary, free of charge or not. I don't think it will harm IRC: The people who use IRC will know and carry on and the people who don't use IRC won't know and won't care. It seems to me that IRC is dying out (at least in terms of proportion of Internet users who use it) because there are so many alternatives. It is being out-competed, not because the alternatives are 'better' but simply because it has no single back to make it interesting and exciting. The network effect is at work: The people and content that people want are more and more often on different, newer IM/social environments. Also I don't think that the general population is become more individualistic. It's just that the Internet is a mass market today and so it reflects people in general. The Internet is no longer a minority interest, as it was back when IRC was in its heyday. And people in general are not very interested in principles (certainly not if it takes effort!); they are just consumers. They consume what is most interesting and/or easiest for them. We know that social media of all sorts is massively popular and so clearly people in general can't be all that individualistic: People love to share stuff and socialise on the Internet. But it's not about about principle to most of them; it's just about consumption, entertainment and fun. People even forget principles such as privacy and common sense when consuming social media. Complex principles (such as software freedom, privacy, and so on) will always be of conscious interest only to a minority of the people in general. Regrettably so. -- Mark Rousell ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] (Anti-?)Society evolution - Was: Multiple resignations from Freenode's staff ??? New drama shake the opensource
Thanks for that interesting point of view Mark. We concur on he consumerism part, but it seems we differ on the individualism. It seems to me both are intertweened, despite not being sure if there is causality beyond a hunch, and if so, which way(s) it is at work; I have a feeling one feeds the other but the logic seems brittle, still. Allow me to give a try at explaining how I see this might work. I will only add that: consumerism is passive. It's the infamous tale of the "paradise" life of pig living in a farm: infinite food, shelter, healthcare, and nothing required of it. Being passive and self-oriented (self wealth, comfort, interests, etc.), it is not oriented towards others. You focus on the product and its price, not the producer. Following that logic, consumerism fuels self-importance, which in turn leads to: - disconnection from/to others, especially caring about them through the consequence of your (lack of) actions; lack of empathy - unwillingness, then inability to actually *drive* things, to participate in an unincentivised matters from which there is nothing personal to gain; lack of generosity and selflessness That would be my way of explaining why/how consumerism leads to individualism. Once you're individualistic, once you forgot your gregarious origins, what is there left to feel happy, beyond consuming products/services? It thus seems only logical individualism fuels consumerism. And you got your vicious circle initiated, whatever end it started with. The only way i see it can be broken is when you remember you are not alone, and what you do (not do) has impact on others. Always. The bright side would be this can happen at any time in the self-feeding loop to break it, which makes exiting it rather "easy", or at least not much more than entering it in the first place. Bernard (Beer) Rosset https://rosset.net/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Chimaera; Lost sound
I carried out the install from the recommended(last) chimera iso and all basically was well. Sounds was there, but I didn't want pulseaudio and removed it and installed alsa, alsaplayer, alsamixer, etc. But I have no sound. It seems to have something to do with certain drivers for PCMs not being installed. lspci| grep Audio 09:00.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Navi 10 HDMI Audio 0b:00.4 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse HD Audio Controller I can get sound via vlc, but only after selecting the realtek chip on the mother board. This only works for vlc(and ?*), but not for alsaplayer, the browser and other programs(**) . * & ** If the program allows selection of a PCM(?), you may get sound. Essentially, the 'default' sound option is missing, So >user@system:alsaplayer /usr/share/sounds/sound-icons/canary-long.wav ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1075:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave snd_pcm_open: No such file or directory (default) Failed to initialize plugin! Failed to register plugin: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/alsaplayer/output/libalsa_out.so Failed to load output plugin "alsa". Trying defaults. ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1075:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave snd_pcm_open: No such file or directory (default) Failed to initialize plugin! /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/alsaplayer/output/libalsa_out.so failed to load NOTE: THIS IS THE NULL PLUGIN. YOU WILL NOT HEAR SOUND!! ...done playing I have tried deleting/purging and reinstalling alsa and alsaplayer(alsa and oss), but that link is not restored. FWIW, vlc says the OSS sound system isn't there. So something is missing that ties stuff together. I am at a loss as to which package it might require. With that in mind, list of alsa packages follows; alsa-firmware-loaders/testing,now 1.2.2-1 amd64 [installed] alsa-oss/testing,now 1.1.8-1 amd64 [installed] alsa-tools-gui/testing,now 1.2.2-1 amd64 [installed] alsa-tools/testing,now 1.2.2-1 amd64 [installed] alsa-topology-conf/testing,now 1.2.4-1 all [installed] alsa-utils/testing,now 1.2.4-1 amd64 [installed] alsaplayer-alsa/testing,now 0.99.81-2+b1 amd64 [installed] alsaplayer-common/testing,now 0.99.81-2+b1 amd64 [installed,automatic] alsaplayer-daemon/testing,now 0.99.81-2+b1 amd64 [installed] alsaplayer-oss/testing,now 0.99.81-2+b1 amd64 [installed] alsaplayer-text/testing,now 0.99.81-2+b1 amd64 [installed] libclalsadrv2/testing,now 2.0.0-3.1 amd64 [installed] libghc-alsa-core-dev/testing,now 0.5.0.1-6+b1 amd64 [installed,automatic] libghc-alsa-core-doc/testing,now 0.5.0.1-6 all [installed] libghc-alsa-core-prof/testing,now 0.5.0.1-6+b1 amd64 [installed] libghc-alsa-mixer-doc/testing,now 0.3.0-2 all [installed] volumeicon-alsa/testing,now 0.5.1+git20170117-1+b1 amd64 [installed] Sigh. Looking for clubies. And yes, nothing is muted and mixers(alsa and qas) are fine, but 'card' needs to be selected. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Chimaera; Lost sound
On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 12:52:29PM +1000, terryc wrote: > I carried out the install from the recommended(last) chimera iso and > all basically was well. Sounds was there, but I didn't want pulseaudio > and removed it and installed alsa, alsaplayer, alsamixer, etc. > > But I have no sound. It seems to have something to do with certain > drivers for PCMs not being installed. What does amixer -c0 get PCM amixer -c1 get PCM give you? Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Chimaera; Lost sound
On Thu, 20 May 2021 21:50:18 -0700 Gregory Nowak via Dng wrote: > On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 12:52:29PM +1000, terryc wrote: > > I carried out the install from the recommended(last) chimera iso and > > all basically was well. Sounds was there, but I didn't want > > pulseaudio and removed it and installed alsa, alsaplayer, > > alsamixer, etc. > > > > But I have no sound. It seems to have something to do with certain > > drivers for PCMs not being installed. > > What does > > amixer -c0 get PCM > amixer -c1 get PCM > > give you? Here tis; user@system:~$ amixer -c0 get PCM amixer: Unable to find simple control 'PCM',0 user@system:~$ amixer -c1 get PCM Simple mixer control 'PCM',0 Capabilities: pvolume Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 255 Mono: Front Left: Playback 182 [71%] [-14.60dB] Front Right: Playback 182 [71%] [-14.60dB] Terryc ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
