Re: [DNG] Iceweasel-uxp from Hyperbola GNU/Linux
Hi, On 10/9/20 13:59, aitor wrote: Since the i386 packages need to be cross-compiled, iceweasel-uxp is not available in packages.gnuinos.org for now; so, you need to download them one by one. You can install the packages via: # dpkg -i *.deb as Antony pointed out. I uploaded the packages for i386: https://www.gnuinos.org/iceweasel-uxp/ If you try to build the sources directly via: $ ./mach build then you'll get the following error: "ERROR: Cannot find project iceweasel-uxp" because you need to patch build/moz.configure/init.configure, as I explained in the forum of Hyperbola: https://forums.hyperbola.info/viewtopic.php?pid=2293#p2293 Anybody tried building under 32 bits? Cheers, Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Danger: Debian POSIX hostility
Hi all, I think Devuan might want to "put back" POSIX commands Debian has removed (but provides packages for). See the following thread from Debian-User: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/09/msg00334.html Lennart Poettering has repeatedly and with certainty let us know he has no use for POSIX. I guess now the Debian project is acting as his proxy in this matter. Did you notice the one guy who said it would be "it would be 'rude' to impose something wanted by only a part of the users"? Personally, if my operating system doesn't come, as a baseline, with vi, ed, cut, grep, sed, awk, bc, dc, diff, dd, df, du, fg, head, tail, and the like, then it isn't an OS I'd want to use. The fact that an OS isn't certified POSIX is no excuse for deliberately leaving out easily included POSIX programs and features. Is it possible for Devuan to "put back" what Debian sabotaged? Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Danger: Debian POSIX hostility
On 2020-09-12 15:28, Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, I think Devuan might want to "put back" POSIX commands Debian has removed (but provides packages for). See the following thread from Debian-User: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/09/msg00334.html Lennart Poettering has repeatedly and with certainty let us know he has no use for POSIX. I guess now the Debian project is acting as his proxy in this matter. Did you notice the one guy who said it would be "it would be 'rude' to impose something wanted by only a part of the users"? Personally, if my operating system doesn't come, as a baseline, with vi, ed, cut, grep, sed, awk, bc, dc, diff, dd, df, du, fg, head, tail, and the like, then it isn't an OS I'd want to use. The fact that an OS isn't certified POSIX is no excuse for deliberately leaving out easily included POSIX programs and features. Is it possible for Devuan to "put back" what Debian sabotaged? Thanks, SteveT Probably. Are you going to volunteer to do/oversee that? That would be the best way to ensure that it happens. This article was posted on irc a few days ago. It might, in part, explain why packages/features are being dropped from Debian. If Debian can't find developers, what do you think Devuan's future holds? DPL: Debian project has plenty of money but not enough developers Project leader Jonathan Carter explains problems facing this key Linux distro https://www.theregister.com/2020/09/10/debian_project_address/ Beyond Debian/Devuan, this is a challenge for the future of community-provided free software. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Danger: Debian POSIX hostility
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > I think Devuan might want to "put back" POSIX commands Debian has > removed (but provides packages for). See the following thread from > Debian-User: Have you yet checked what packages are installed by default in the several existing Devuan-family ISOs? logically, you should start by reporting the results of that checking. Please let us know what you find. If you don't like any of the existing ISOs, you are of course welcome to create one whose default package selection you prefer. Or perhaps write preseed instructions to feed to d-i. Or both. Maybe I'm judging too hastily, but your post reads like trying to implicitly ask other people to do work. IMO, it would be more constructive to help the project by pitching in. Personally, I find debates about default package selection on a highly modular distro with excellent package management a poor use of time, that is better spent acquainting newcomers with apt-get and with the welcome-to-Linux realisation that running through OS installers is the beginning of system configuration, not the end of it. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Danger: Debian POSIX hostility
On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 16:11:48 -0500 goli...@devuan.org wrote: > On 2020-09-12 15:28, Steve Litt wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I think Devuan might want to "put back" POSIX commands Debian has > > removed (but provides packages for). See the following thread from > > Debian-User: > > > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/09/msg00334.html > > > > Lennart Poettering has repeatedly and with certainty let us know he > > has no use for POSIX. I guess now the Debian project is acting as > > his proxy in this matter. > > > > Did you notice the one guy who said it would be "it would be 'rude' > > to impose something wanted by only a part of the users"? > > > > Personally, if my operating system doesn't come, as a baseline, with > > vi, ed, cut, grep, sed, awk, bc, dc, diff, dd, df, du, fg, head, > > tail, and the like, then it isn't an OS I'd want to use. The fact > > that an OS isn't certified POSIX is no excuse for deliberately > > leaving out easily included POSIX programs and features. > > > > Is it possible for Devuan to "put back" what Debian sabotaged? > > > > Thanks, > > > > SteveT > > > > Probably. Are you going to volunteer to do/oversee that? Nope. My volunteering these days is difficult, much more important than any Linux distro, and not bothered with by about 98% of the population to which it's crucial. I'm blowing off time I really should be working to do this volunteerism, and have no remaining time to learn package-managership and then herd all the cats into accepting my packaging solutions. If I sound like an asshole, it's because I've had a very frustrating several days, during which no good deed I did went unpunished. SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
