Re: [DNG] history
On Fri, Aug 07, 2020 at 09:53:51AM +0300, Dimitris via Dng wrote: > On 8/7/20 12:36 AM, marc wrote: > > People being easily identified and > > tracked in real life is something that strengthens authoritarian regimes > > (whether fascist or communist) as well coercive corporate interests. > > there were no communist authoritarian regimes in history.. communist by > name perhaps, but in reality, authoritarian = fascist.. > > so please don't reproduce neoliberal b*shit... Thank you for making this point. Even the fear of being tracked is superficial. My wife tracks me, and that is a good thing. The real issue is what effect being tracked has on me. While authoritarianism is much in the air these days, I suspect a far greater danger is social death. -- Haines Brown ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] How to mount NTFS
Cron automatiically backs up some partitions on my HD by means of a script. Not sure of the size of thse backupos, but perhaps 300 Mb. I have been doing the backups to an external WD USB drive, and they took around 3 hours. However, I became nervous about the condition of the drive which is quite old, and so bought a 2 Tb replacement. Now the back up takes 10 hours. The only thing that I can think of that might account for its being slow is that my old WD drive was formatted ext4, but I thought best to leave my new drive with NTFS. This causes a problem in that if the backup drive happens to be mounted, the mount command in my script no longer just tells me so and proceeds with the backup, but instead hangs. The other problem may be that for some reason the disk being NTFS drastically slows the backup. So it occurred to me to make the command in the script to mount the drive: mount -t ntfs /mnt/backup (I have the drive's UUID in fstab). But when I check /proc/filesystems, ntfs apparently is not recognized by the kernel. However, my impression is that my having the ntfs-3g rw driver installed should enable me to mount a NTFS partion wtihout problem or need for the -t ntfs option. I checked my CPU instuctions/second. The services started at bootime have not changed. The # top command does not show any problems. $ free suggests I'm not demanding too much of my RAM. # iotop shows that my backup process I/O demand on the kernel runs 50-100%. The kworker flush can be 100%. My guess is that these figures are to be expected. I run the backup at a time when no other significant processes are running. -- Haines Brown ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to mount NTFS
On 07/08/2020 15:47, Haines Brown wrote: Cron automatiically backs up some partitions on my HD by means of a script. Not sure of the size of thse backupos, but perhaps 300 Mb. I have been doing the backups to an external WD USB drive, and they took around 3 hours. However, I became nervous about the condition of the drive which is quite old, and so bought a 2 Tb replacement. Now the back up takes 10 hours. The only thing that I can think of that might account for its being slow is that my old WD drive was formatted ext4, but I thought best to leave my new drive with NTFS. This causes a problem in that if the backup drive happens to be mounted, the mount command in my script no longer just tells me so and proceeds with the backup, but instead hangs. The other problem may be that for some reason the disk being NTFS drastically slows the backup. So it occurred to me to make the command in the script to mount the drive: mount -t ntfs /mnt/backup (I have the drive's UUID in fstab). But when I check /proc/filesystems, ntfs apparently is not recognized by the kernel. However, my impression is that my having the ntfs-3g rw driver installed should enable me to mount a NTFS partion wtihout problem or need for the -t ntfs option. I checked my CPU instuctions/second. The services started at bootime have not changed. The # top command does not show any problems. $ free suggests I'm not demanding too much of my RAM. # iotop shows that my backup process I/O demand on the kernel runs 50-100%. The kworker flush can be 100%. My guess is that these figures are to be expected. I run the backup at a time when no other significant processes are running. Do you use the USB drive on Windows, if not, just reformat it to ext4, ntfs-3g is a FUSE system, it isn't a fast as you would like. Rowland ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to mount NTFS
On Fri, Aug 07, 2020 at 03:58:40PM +0100, Rowland penny via Dng wrote: > Do you use the USB drive on Windows, if not, just reformat it to ext4, > ntfs-3g is a FUSE system, it isn't a fast as you would like. Thanks Roland. I left the drive NTFS because I wanted easy access to the drive for folks (granschildren) who do not run Linux. Othersie I prefer ext4. When you say NTFS is slower, to you mean three times slower (which I am experiencing) or a bit slower? When my mount command in script encounters an already mounted device formatted ext4 it complains but also proceeds. If the defive is formattted NTFS it complains but also and hangs. That is another reason to prefer ext4, but I wonder if the # mount -F would avoid the NTFS hang. That is, does NTFS mount exclusively by deault, while ext4 does not? -- Haines Brown ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to mount NTFS
On 07/08/2020 16:46, Haines Brown wrote: On Fri, Aug 07, 2020 at 03:58:40PM +0100, Rowland penny via Dng wrote: Do you use the USB drive on Windows, if not, just reformat it to ext4, ntfs-3g is a FUSE system, it isn't a fast as you would like. Thanks Roland. I left the drive NTFS because I wanted easy access to the drive for folks (granschildren) who do not run Linux. Othersie I prefer ext4. When you say NTFS is slower, to you mean three times slower (which I am experiencing) or a bit slower? When my mount command in script encounters an already mounted device formatted ext4 it complains but also proceeds. If the defive is formattted NTFS it complains but also and hangs. That is another reason to prefer ext4, but I wonder if the # mount -F would avoid the NTFS hang. That is, does NTFS mount exclusively by deault, while ext4 does not? It is extremely slow, but I am unsure just how slow, but 3-4 times slower sounds about right. If the drive is never plugged into a Windows machine, then there is no point in it being formatted as NTFS. If your clients are connecting over the wire via your Linux OS to the USB drive, then it doesn't matter what it is formatted, but it would be better formatted with ext4 or another Linux filesystem. Rowland ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to mount NTFS
On Fri, Aug 07, 2020 at 04:57:18PM +0100, Rowland penny via Dng wrote: > It is extremely slow, but I am unsure just how slow, but 3-4 times slower > sounds about right. Wow! > If the drive is never plugged into a Windows machine, then there is no point > in it being formatted as NTFS. I do not have clients. I'm well past life expectancy, and so I need to know that my grandchildren can simply plug the drive into a Windows machine or Mac to access the files. > , but it would be better formatted with ext4 or another Linux > filesystem. Yes, for sure. If you are right about the speed difference between NTFS and ext4, then is there another FS that can be accessed by a Windows machine that is not much slower than ext4? -- Haines Brown ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to mount NTFS
On 07/08/2020 17:19, Haines Brown wrote: On Fri, Aug 07, 2020 at 04:57:18PM +0100, Rowland penny via Dng wrote: It is extremely slow, but I am unsure just how slow, but 3-4 times slower sounds about right. Wow! If the drive is never plugged into a Windows machine, then there is no point in it being formatted as NTFS. I do not have clients. I'm well past life expectancy, and so I need to know that my grandchildren can simply plug the drive into a Windows machine or Mac to access the files. Ah, that is different and I asked that ;-) If you are going to move the USB drive about, then, from a Windows point of view, you are going to have to stick to NTFS and put up with the slow speed, not sure about the Macs, I think they have their own version of ntfs-3g. , but it would be better formatted with ext4 or another Linux filesystem. Yes, for sure. If you are right about the speed difference between NTFS and ext4, then is there another FS that can be accessed by a Windows machine that is not much slower than ext4? Windows being Windows, you are stuck with NTFS or exfat etc You could always set up Samba and share the files with that, that would allow you to use ext4 and all your clients (grandchildren) should be able to connect to the shares, that I can help you set up. Life expectancy is what you make it and I am catching up ;-) Rowland ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to mount NTFS
On Fri, Aug 07, 2020 at 06:34:04PM +0100, g4sra wrote:
> Check your logs for USB Bus resets, any device on the USB bus can
> cause these which will add seconds for every occurrence (a USB TV
> stick can make a backup crawl).
Nothing in logs. But I don't unserstand this DBus syslog message that
comes up every second or so:
Aug 7 09:29:26 engels brltty[720]: DBus error: send message:
org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.bluez was not
provided by any .service file
> Post your backup script for others to look over.
#!/bin/bash
a="="
b="Start: "
c=$(date)
mount /mnt/backup &
find /mnt/backup/20* -maxdepth 0 -type d | sort -n | head -n 1 | xargs rm -rfv
sleep 3s
dirName=`date +%Y.%m.%d`
mkdir /mnt/backup/"$dirName"
find / -print | egrep
"^/mnt^/var^/mail|^/home|^/etc|^/opt|^/storage|^/info|^/usr/local" | cpio
-pdmuv /mnt/backup/"$dirName" 2>&1 | cat -vT
d="End:"
e=$(date +%H:%M:%S)
f="Disk used: "
g=`df /mnt/backup | tail -n 1 | awk '{print $5}'`
printf "$a \n $b $c \n $d $e \n $f %s\n" "$g" >> /home/haines/.backup.log
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Re: [DNG] history
On Fri, 2020-08-07 at 09:53 +0300, Dimitris via Dng wrote: > On 8/7/20 12:36 AM, marc wrote: > > People being easily identified and > > tracked in real life is something that strengthens authoritarian > > regimes > > (whether fascist or communist) as well coercive corporate > > interests. > > there were no communist authoritarian regimes in history.. communist > by > name perhaps, but in reality, authoritarian = fascist.. Oh, how original. The "real Communism has never been tried" defense. How many have now tried it and got exactly the same end result? Just how many more bodies need to lie in shallow mass graves before you give up on your beautiful theory? I know it is offtopic but this needs to be called out each and every time, lest another hundred million (or more) die. Whether stupid or knowingly evil doesn't matter, these people will get us all killed if they aren't firmly put down. Especially relevant since most of the Western World is in the grip of Color Revolutions at the moment. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to mount NTFS
I just mounted up an NTFS mount on my Ascii desktop. It loaded up
fairly quickly. Any other operation such as opening a folder with a lot
of entries took a very long time. This is on a Seagate Baracuda 1TB
plugged into a generic drive dock and connected by USB 3.0.
I would say that the NTFS driver is not a speedy thing. You might try
the noatime option and see if that speeds things up.
--Curtis
On 8/7/20 4:01 PM, Haines Brown wrote:
On Fri, Aug 07, 2020 at 06:34:04PM +0100, g4sra wrote:
Check your logs for USB Bus resets, any device on the USB bus can
cause these which will add seconds for every occurrence (a USB TV
stick can make a backup crawl).
Nothing in logs. But I don't unserstand this DBus syslog message that
comes up every second or so:
Aug 7 09:29:26 engels brltty[720]: DBus error: send message:
org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.bluez was not
provided by any .service file
Post your backup script for others to look over.
#!/bin/bash
a="="
b="Start: "
c=$(date)
mount /mnt/backup &
find /mnt/backup/20* -maxdepth 0 -type d | sort -n | head -n 1 | xargs rm -rfv
sleep 3s
dirName=`date +%Y.%m.%d`
mkdir /mnt/backup/"$dirName"
find / -print | egrep "^/mnt^/var^/mail|^/home|^/etc|^/opt|^/storage|^/info|^/usr/local" | cpio
-pdmuv /mnt/backup/"$dirName" 2>&1 | cat -vT
d="End:"
e=$(date +%H:%M:%S)
f="Disk used: "
g=`df /mnt/backup | tail -n 1 | awk '{print $5}'`
printf "$a \n $b $c \n $d $e \n $f %s\n" "$g" >> /home/haines/.backup.log
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Re: [DNG] history
On 07-08-2020 22:11, John Morris wrote: > On Fri, 2020-08-07 at 09:53 +0300, Dimitris via Dng wrote: >> On 8/7/20 12:36 AM, marc wrote: >>> People being easily identified and >>> tracked in real life is something that strengthens authoritarian >>> regimes >>> (whether fascist or communist) as well coercive corporate >>> interests. >> there were no communist authoritarian regimes in history.. communist >> by >> name perhaps, but in reality, authoritarian = fascist.. > Oh, how original. The "real Communism has never been tried" defense. > How many have now tried it and got exactly the same end result? Just > how many more bodies need to lie in shallow mass graves before you give > up on your beautiful theory? > > I know it is offtopic but this needs to be called out each and every > time, lest another hundred million (or more) die. Whether stupid or > knowingly evil doesn't matter, these people will get us all killed if > they aren't firmly put down. Especially relevant since most of the > Western World is in the grip of Color Revolutions at the moment. > It is indeed off topic so i will keep it short: show me a philosophy of life or religion which has not been abused by a power hungry totalitarian dictator or political system. Grtz Nick ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to mount NTFS
On Fri, Aug 07, 2020 at 04:01:09PM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: > Nothing in logs. But I don't unserstand this DBus syslog message that > comes up every second or so: > > Aug 7 09:29:26 engels brltty[720]: DBus error: send message: > org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.bluez was not > provided by any .service file Uninstall brltty if you don't use it, and that should get rid of the message. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] history
Quoting d...@d404.nl (d...@d404.nl): > It is indeed off topic so i will keep it short: show me a philosophy of > life or religion which has not been abused by a power hungry > totalitarian dictator or political system. o Taoism o Pastafarianism o Church of the Subgenius (See, now I'm pondering a mashup.) -- Cheers, "A Discordian is a Taoist with a very strange sense of humour Rick Moen and the inability to sit still." r...@linuxmafia.com -- Rabbi Kwan Chi Sun Lieberwitz, _Jews for Buddha Cabal_ McQ! (4x80) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to mount NTFS
Haines Brown [07.08.2020 18:19]: > Yes, for sure. If you are right about the speed difference between > NTFS and ext4, then is there another FS that can be accessed by a > Windows machine that is not much slower than ext4? fat32. Or if you run a recent kernel on your Linux machine (Devuan 5.4 is ok), then exfat. -- Hilsen Harald ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to mount NTFS
Haines Brown wrote: > Cron automatiically backs up some partitions on my HD by means of a > script. Not sure of the size of thse backupos, but perhaps 300 Mb. > > I have been doing the backups to an external WD USB drive, and they > took around 3 hours. However, I became nervous about the condition of > the drive which is quite old, and so bought a 2 Tb replacement. Now > the back up takes 10 hours. > > The only thing that I can think of that might account for its being > slow is that my old WD drive was formatted ext4, but I thought best to > leave my new drive with NTFS. You can create a large file in the drive, format it as ext4 and mount it. That will avoid the speed cost of NTFS. -- Joel Roth ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Backups for Posterity Re: How to mount NTFS
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 12:19:19 -0400 Haines Brown wrote: > > If the drive is never plugged into a Windows machine, then there is > > no point in it being formatted as NTFS. > > I do not have clients. I'm well past life expectancy, and so I need > to know that my grandchildren can simply plug the drive into a > Windows machine or Mac to access the files. > > > , but it would be better formatted with ext4 or another Linux > > filesystem. > > Yes, for sure. If you are right about the speed difference between > NTFS and ext4, then is there another FS that can be accessed by a > Windows machine that is not much slower than ext4? A suggestion to meet your needs. Make anisofs from your backups and write the result to a CD/DVD. Unless I'm suffering brain fade*, that should meet your need for a proper backup system and make the data in a format available to the descendants. Plus you can test the system with the recipients now and iron out any bugs. The only thing you need to do manually is write the text on the CD/DVD. *Mutter, mutter, reinstalling a recalcitrant Win7 computer will do that. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] history
On Fri, 2020-08-07 at 22:21 +0200, d...@d404.nl wrote: > > It is indeed off topic so i will keep it short: show me a philosophy > of > life or religion which has not been abused by a power hungry > totalitarian dictator or political system. Been at it for a Century now, find ONE attempt you would like to hold up as a success. The best so far is stagnation, general despair and slow dissolution, the all too typical case is body counts that Hitler would be appalled by. Yet for some reason Hitler is the absolute unit standard of Evil while Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc. get a pass because "they meant well." No, time to make being a socialist / communist as disreputable as being a goosestepping Nazi larper because they are at least as dangerous. Yes, every system eventually fails because we still haven't solved the "Government" problem. But the others have successes to point to. Republics have many successes in the past, even if America is fading fast. Parliamentary systems have successes, there were centuries where being born in England was winning the lottery. Even full Monarchy has examples of peace, prosperity and good times. Imperial Rome would have been a great place to be in its good time. Lots of spots on China's timeline where it wouldn't have sucked to be alive. It would be like if Lennart and his descendants had been banging away for a Century and their stuff still sucked, but large numbers of hackers and big money still supported their project. Meanwhile sane people were like "Bruh! Thought about tossing the premise and trying something different?" Or like people who still run Windows after decades of failure and breathtaking security flaws, but they just know the next release is going to be stable and secure. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
