Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Hi Tilt, I debianized it, and shortly i will push it to Git, and i will offer also a little APT repository containig it, the lastest version of linux-libre and Compiz Fusion. Now i need a description for netman-gui and netman-backend to add them to the debian/control file. Regards, Aitor. On 22/09/15 04:44, "tilt!" wrote: Hi Edward, congratulations on wrapping this up! However, attempting to build "netman" from branch "master" at https://git.devuan.org/edbarx/netman.git i get the following errors: * directory ./backend_src/obj missing * directory ./bin missing * link-time error: backend_src/src/backend.c:248: undefined reference to `autoWirelessScanPlus' Also, wasn't there a Debian packaging effort? Can it be downloaded somewhere? Best regards, T. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Hi Aitor, Thanks for helping in this project. Here are two little descriptions for the debian/control file. netman, A simple and intuitive GUI network manager that uses a CLI backend as its workhorse. backend, a CLI program that uses ifup and ifdown to connect and disconnect to a wifi. Wired connections are also supported. Various 'interfaces' files are used for wifi configuration. On 22/09/2015, aitor_czr wrote: > Hi Tilt, > > I debianized it, and shortly i will push it to Git, and i will offer > also a little APT repository containig it, the lastest version of > linux-libre and Compiz Fusion. > > Now i need a description for netman-gui and netman-backend to add them > to the debian/control file. > > Regards, > > Aitor. > > On 22/09/15 04:44, "tilt!" wrote: >> Hi Edward, >> >> congratulations on wrapping this up! >> >> However, attempting to build "netman" from branch "master" at >> >> https://git.devuan.org/edbarx/netman.git >> >> i get the following errors: >> >> * directory ./backend_src/obj missing >> * directory ./bin missing >> * link-time error: >> >> backend_src/src/backend.c:248: >> undefined reference to `autoWirelessScanPlus' >> >> Also, wasn't there a Debian packaging effort? Can it be downloaded >> somewhere? >> >> Best regards, >> T. > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Hi Aitor, When it is time to merge my latest code, please let me know. Edward On 22/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi Aitor, > > Thanks for helping in this project. Here are two little descriptions > for the debian/control file. > > netman, A simple and intuitive GUI network manager that uses a CLI > backend as its workhorse. > > backend, a CLI program that uses ifup and ifdown to connect and > disconnect to a wifi. Wired connections are also supported. Various > 'interfaces' files are used for wifi configuration. > > On 22/09/2015, aitor_czr wrote: >> Hi Tilt, >> >> I debianized it, and shortly i will push it to Git, and i will offer >> also a little APT repository containig it, the lastest version of >> linux-libre and Compiz Fusion. >> >> Now i need a description for netman-gui and netman-backend to add them >> to the debian/control file. >> >> Regards, >> >> Aitor. >> >> On 22/09/15 04:44, "tilt!" wrote: >>> Hi Edward, >>> >>> congratulations on wrapping this up! >>> >>> However, attempting to build "netman" from branch "master" at >>> >>> https://git.devuan.org/edbarx/netman.git >>> >>> i get the following errors: >>> >>> * directory ./backend_src/obj missing >>> * directory ./bin missing >>> * link-time error: >>> >>> backend_src/src/backend.c:248: >>> undefined reference to `autoWirelessScanPlus' >>> >>> Also, wasn't there a Debian packaging effort? Can it be downloaded >>> somewhere? >>> >>> Best regards, >>> T. >> >> > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] vdev status update: eventfs
So how to get eventfs going with vdev. ./eventfs /run/udev or where should eventfs be mounted? Eventfs mounting will not be handled by vdev, right? /scooby On 2015-09-22 04:44, Jude Nelson wrote: Hey everyone, I promise, I'm not dead :) I've been working on vdev off and on over the past couple months as time permitted, but I haven't had anything interesting to report here (mostly bug fixes, which are tracked on the project's Github [1]). This past week I've been able to spend more time on vdev, now that my major event for $WORK has come and gone. I'm pleased to announce the availability of eventfs [2], the final piece of software required to replace udev. Eventfs is a specialized userspace filesystem that replaces the udev-to-libudev event multicast protocol, which is currently based on netlink but will soon be based on kdbus. Eventfs fulfills an equivalent role, but it does so in a portable manner in userspace, and it abstracts dealing with message multicast groups as dealing with files and directories with a few extra rules [3]. I'm going to migrate my production machine to using eventfs with libudev-compat this weekend. Once I'm satisfied that it works as expected, I'll begin packaging all of vdev's components for Devuan. Questions, comments, and feedback are all welcome :) Thanks,y Jude [1] https://github.com/jcnelson/vdev [1] [2] https://github.com/jcnelson/eventfs [2] [3] https://github.com/jcnelson/eventfs/blob/master/README.md [3] Links: -- [1] https://github.com/jcnelson/vdev [2] https://github.com/jcnelson/eventfs [3] https://github.com/jcnelson/eventfs/blob/master/README.md ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Ok, i will push it to 'git.devuan.org' (i am registered) and i will call it: gpg-netman (git-buildpackage) in order to distinguish it from yours. Thanks for the descriptions. Aitor. On 22/09/15 09:20, Edward Bartolo wrote: Hi Aitor, When it is time to merge my latest code, please let me know. Edward On 22/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: >Hi Aitor, > >Thanks for helping in this project. Here are two little descriptions >for the debian/control file. > >netman, A simple and intuitive GUI network manager that uses a CLI >backend as its workhorse. > >backend, a CLI program that uses ifup and ifdown to connect and >disconnect to a wifi. Wired connections are also supported. Various >'interfaces' files are used for wifi configuration. > >On 22/09/2015, aitor_czr wrote: >>Hi Tilt, >> >>I debianized it, and shortly i will push it to Git, and i will offer >>also a little APT repository containig it, the lastest version of >>linux-libre and Compiz Fusion. >> >>Now i need a description for netman-gui and netman-backend to add them >>to the debian/control file. >> >>Regards, >> >>Aitor. >> >>On 22/09/15 04:44, "tilt!" wrote: >>>Hi Edward, >>> >>>congratulations on wrapping this up! >>> >>>However, attempting to build "netman" from branch "master" at >>> >>> https://git.devuan.org/edbarx/netman.git >>> >>>i get the following errors: >>> >>> * directory ./backend_src/obj missing >>> * directory ./bin missing >>> * link-time error: >>> >>> backend_src/src/backend.c:248: >>> undefined reference to `autoWirelessScanPlus' >>> >>>Also, wasn't there a Debian packaging effort? Can it be downloaded >>>somewhere? >>> >>>Best regards, >>>T. >> ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
On 04/07/2021 10:54 PM, aitor_czr wrote: gpg-netman (git-buildpackage) People will think it's related to "gpg", which it isn't. I would like to suggest the name "netman-package" for that project. Greetings, T. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Good idea :-) On 22/09/15 11:20, tilt! wrote: On 04/07/2021 10:54 PM, aitor_czr wrote: gpg-netman (git-buildpackage) People will think it's related to "gpg", which it isn't. I would like to suggest the name "netman-package" for that project. Greetings, T. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] vdev status update: eventfs
dear Jude, On Mon, 21 Sep 2015, Jude Nelson wrote: >I'm going to migrate my production machine to using eventfs with >libudev-compat this weekend. Once I'm satisfied that it works as >expected, I'll begin packaging all of vdev's components for Devuan. >Questions, comments, and feedback are all welcome :) Amazing news. noone here doubts you are continuing to build up on the solid foundations you laid, I am sure vdev will become a relevant component for many mission-critical GNU/Linux system installations. Please do not hesitate to ask for anything you need in terms of infrastructure and funding we can contribute from our donation pot. ciao >Thanks, >[1] [1]https://github.com/jcnelson/vdev >[2] [2]https://github.com/jcnelson/eventfs >[3] [3]https://github.com/jcnelson/eventfs/blob/master/README.md ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] vdev status update: eventfs
Great news! Thank you for all your efforts! On September 21, 2015 9:44:12 PM CDT, Jude Nelson wrote: ::I'm pleased to announce the availability of eventfs -- Sent from a Mobile device. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Messages from the future (Was: Re: [DN Offlist G] netman GIT project)
Sorry, my clock is changing again with different hard disks and different operating systems. ... I saw it timestamping "debian/changelog" in netman-package... I can't be using hwclock every few minutes. I will not send more posts from this computer until discover the reason. Sorry again, Aitor. El 17/09/15 a las 19:51, Peter Olson escribió: On February 24, 2032 at 3:32 PM aitor_czr wrote: Your last few messages have had Date: lines far in the future. Check your clock! Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Messages from the future (Was: Re: [DN Offlist G] netman GIT project)
No ntp server around? Didier Le 22/09/2015 14:05, aitor_czr a écrit : Sorry, my clock is changing again with different hard disks and different operating systems. ... I saw it timestamping "debian/changelog" in netman-package... I can't be using hwclock every few minutes. I will not send more posts from this computer until discover the reason. Sorry again, Aitor. El 17/09/15 a las 19:51, Peter Olson escribió: On February 24, 2032 at 3:32 PM aitor_czr wrote: Your last few messages have had Date: lines far in the future. Check your clock! Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] the devil is in the details.
Andrea writes: > I was reading the systemd dev list to keep current and found > this thread gem: > > http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2015-September/034264.html That's a long rant about 'systemd architecture' with an inflammatory subject someone posted to the systemd devel list. It didn't receive any replies more noteworthy than the original text which is 'hardly surprising'. [...] > A glimpse of future embracing project: > > http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2015- > September/034131.html Marginally more interesting: For 'the systemd guy' user management is something that's done via AD and anything else is nothing but a nuisance. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] the devil is in the details.
Rainer Weikusat wrote: > That's a long rant about 'systemd architecture' with an inflammatory > subject someone posted to the systemd devel list. It didn't receive any > replies more noteworthy than the original text which is 'hardly > surprising'. Ah, I'm not alone in thinking that then - should I feel "a bit sick" finding myself agreeing with system-d supporters ? But one thing I did pick up on, one of the reasons given for not having any subdivision was a desire to not have to have documented and stable APIs. I find that "a tad off-putting" because in the projects I used to work in (many many years ago, working as a very junior engineer in a shipyard supplying the navy with bespoke vessels) that would have been one of the earliest parts to be nailed down - split the "blob" into small parts, each doing something understandable and testable, and have them all communicating via fixed* and documented interfaces. * Fixed, as in "can be changed if it has to, but it'll need all the change control that goes with it". Reading that the ability to change internal APIs on a whim is seen as a positive attribute suggests to me that this isn't something that's been designed before it's been built. I know our methods weren't what you might call "agile", but they were intended to give some expectation of reliability. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Hi Aitor, If you can still rename the netman package I would like to have it renamed "netman-devuan-nm". It is important for any users to know from where netman was conceived, and this is, the Devuan Project. Edward On 07/04/2021, aitor_czr wrote: > Good idea :-) > > On 22/09/15 11:20, tilt! wrote: >> On 04/07/2021 10:54 PM, aitor_czr wrote: >>> gpg-netman (git-buildpackage) >> >> People will think it's related to "gpg", which it isn't. >> >> I would like to suggest the name "netman-package" for that project. >> >> Greetings, >> T. > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Beautifull idea !! I will add to debian/control: Homepage: http://devuan.org XS-Vcs-Git: g...@git.devuan.org:edbarx/netman.git XS-Vcs-Browser: https://git.devuan.org/edbarx/netman.git Aitor. On 22/09/15 17:37, Edward Bartolo wrote: Hi Aitor, If you can still rename the netman package I would like to have it renamed "netman-devuan-nm". It is important for any users to know from where netman was conceived, and this is, the Devuan Project. Edward On 07/04/2021, aitor_czr wrote: >Good idea:-) > >On 22/09/15 11:20, tilt! wrote: >>On 04/07/2021 10:54 PM, aitor_czr wrote: >>>gpg-netman (git-buildpackage) >> >>People will think it's related to "gpg", which it isn't. >> >>I would like to suggest the name "netman-package" for that project. >> >>Greetings, >>T. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] the devil is in the details.
On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 04:14:39PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote: [...] > But one thing I did pick up on, one of the reasons given > for not having any subdivision was a desire to not have to > have documented and stable APIs. I find that "a tad > off-putting" because in the projects I used to work in > (many many years ago, working as a very junior engineer in > a shipyard supplying the navy with bespoke vessels) that > would have been one of the earliest parts to be nailed > down - split the "blob" into small parts, each doing > something understandable and testable, and have them all > communicating via fixed* and documented interfaces. > * Fixed, as in "can be changed if it has to, but it'll need all the change > control that goes with it". > Reading that the ability to change internal APIs on a whim is seen as a > positive attribute suggests to me that this isn't something that's been > designed before it's been built. > I know our methods weren't what you might call "agile", but they were > intended to give some expectation of reliability. I understand that systemd developers guarantee some APIs, such as DBus, and others are less constrained. I think the idea is to keep stable the interfaces most important to external developers. -- Joel Roth ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] the devil is in the details.
Simon Hobson writes: > Rainer Weikusat wrote: >> That's a long rant about 'systemd architecture' with an inflammatory >> subject someone posted to the systemd devel list. It didn't receive any >> replies more noteworthy than the original text which is 'hardly >> surprising'. [...] > But one thing I did pick up on, one of the reasons given for not > having any subdivision was a desire to not have to have documented and > stable APIs. I find that "a tad off-putting" because in the projects I > used to work in (many many years ago, working as a very junior > engineer in a shipyard supplying the navy with bespoke vessels) that > would have been one of the earliest parts to be nailed down - split > the "blob" into small parts, each doing something understandable and > testable, and have them all communicating via fixed* and documented > interfaces. The whole point of having an IPC-system like D-BUS is that people can do stuff like "add five more structure members and transmit the remaining ones in the opposite order" easily whenever they feel the urge to do so. And why would someone want to document throwaway ideas not even their originators consider particularly sensible in their own right, that is, outside of the context of the problem they're supposed to work around? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Dear All, My question is still open as I have no idea which project I can join to help. I was told it is easy to continue contributing to the Devuan Project, but this is proving to be next to impossible. This is NOT a rhetorical question; yes, I know the obvious answer that I can help in other projects, but which projects? I expected someone to provide some information, after all, feedback between coders is among the many purposes of the mailing list. Snappy answers indicating an irritated sender, do not help: first calm down, then think, and when you have the right frame of mind, reply in a polite and educated manner. Edward On 22/09/2015, aitor_czr wrote: > Beautifull idea !! > > I will add to debian/control: > > Homepage: http://devuan.org > XS-Vcs-Git: g...@git.devuan.org:edbarx/netman.git > XS-Vcs-Browser: https://git.devuan.org/edbarx/netman.git > > Aitor. > > On 22/09/15 17:37, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> Hi Aitor, >> >> If you can still rename the netman package I would like to have it >> renamed "netman-devuan-nm". >> >> It is important for any users to know from where netman was conceived, >> and this is, the Devuan Project. >> >> Edward >> >> On 07/04/2021, aitor_czr wrote: >>> >Good idea:-) >>> > >>> >On 22/09/15 11:20, tilt! wrote: >>On 04/07/2021 10:54 PM, aitor_czr wrote: > >>>gpg-netman (git-buildpackage) >> >>People will think it's related to "gpg", which it isn't. >> >>I would like to suggest the name "netman-package" for that project. >> >>Greetings, >>T. > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Messages from the future (Was: Re: [DN Offlist G], netman GIT project)
Yes, # ntpdate -u hora.roa.es But the hour changes itself frecuently. Sometimes i can't access to the clock of the BIOS. In this sorts of cases 'date' works, but not 'hwclock'. Patience :) Aitor. El 22/09/15 21:02, Didier Kryn escribió: No ntp server around? Didier Le 22/09/2015 14:05, aitor_czr a écrit : >Sorry, my clock is changing again with different hard disks and >different operating systems. > >... I saw it timestamping "debian/changelog" in netman-package... > >I can't be using hwclock every few minutes. I will not send more posts >from this computer until discover the reason. > >Sorry again, > >Aitor. > >El 17/09/15 a las 19:51, Peter Olson escribió: >>>On February 24, 2032 at 3:32 PM aitor_czr wrote: >>Your last few messages have had Date: lines far in the future. >> >>Check your clock! >> >>Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Messages from the future (Was: Re: [DN Offlist G], netman GIT project)
Remove the motherboard's battery for a few minutes to allow the circuitry to reset itself. If you have a voltmeter, check whether the battery's voltage is still within acceptable limits: for a 3V battery, 2V is not acceptable. If you can, connect a low resistance across the battery or temporarily short circuit it before measuring its voltage. Worn out batteries take more time to recover from high current surges. Edward On 22/09/2015, aitor_czr wrote: > Yes, > > # ntpdate -u hora.roa.es > > But the hour changes itself frecuently. Sometimes i can't access to the > clock of the BIOS. In this sorts of cases 'date' works, but not 'hwclock'. > > Patience :) > > Aitor. > > El 22/09/15 21:02, Didier Kryn escribió: >> No ntp server around? >> >> Didier >> >> Le 22/09/2015 14:05, aitor_czr a écrit : >>> >Sorry, my clock is changing again with different hard disks and >>> >different operating systems. >>> > >>> >... I saw it timestamping "debian/changelog" in netman-package... >>> > >>> >I can't be using hwclock every few minutes. I will not send more posts >>> >from this computer until discover the reason. >>> > >>> >Sorry again, >>> > >>> >Aitor. >>> > >>> >El 17/09/15 a las 19:51, Peter Olson escribió: > >>>On February 24, 2032 at 3:32 PM aitor_czr > >>> wrote: >>Your last few messages have had Date: lines far in the future. >> >>Check your clock! >> >>Peter Olson > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Messages from the future (Was: Re: [DN Offlist G], netman GIT project)
Thanks, Edward. El 22/09/15 22:10, Edward Bartolo escribió: Remove the motherboard's battery for a few minutes to allow the circuitry to reset itself. If you have a voltmeter, check whether the battery's voltage is still within acceptable limits: for a 3V battery, 2V is not acceptable. If you can, connect a low resistance across the battery or temporarily short circuit it before measuring its voltage. Worn out batteries take more time to recover from high current surges. Edward ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
