Re: [Discuss] Debian 11 -> 12
On 5/17/24 17:07, Kent Borg wrote: I think I'm going to try something I don't think I have done before: a major Linux version OS upgrade, performed in place. Debian 11 -> 12, in my case. This is just my laptop, no services anyone else cares about. Looks like I was successful! At minimum I have some emacs futzing to do (I opened a Rust source file and that integration is complaining about something), and I'll discover other problems, but at first glance it seems a success. And it is official: I don't like ZFS. I had previously played with it on this machine, so there were various ZFS binaries installed…and they were the /only/ thing that caused problems: *** ZFS Version: zfs-2.0.3-9+deb11u1 *** Compatible Kernels: 3.10 - 5.10 I looked back on my notes for things I had installed that included the letters "zfs" in their names and I removed them and apt quit complaining. I'm sure it's my fault, that I could have installed some completely different version of ZFS and this ancient project had some good reason for such discontinuities. Or my original ZFS installation had problems that prompted me to do something stupid as a workaround and I was tripping over that. Anyway, XFS didn't fail on me (nor make it my fault). And my old ext2 boot volume didn't fail, either. Only ZFS tried to stop me from upgrading! Good thing I wasn't using it. Oh, and back when I was playing with ZFS on my laptop I also played with ZFS on a Raspberry Pi 4*. Guess what? When I started repeating what had worked on my laptop, one of the key ZFS utilities crashed on the Pi 4. I'm guessing ZFS's reputation for having ugly sources is related to all of this. File systems should work, before being clever and having cool features their primary requirement is to /work/. Anyway, bravo Debian. The 11 -> 12 upgrade worked. -kb * That Raspberry Pi 4? It is my current e-mail server, I finally finished setting it up a couple weeks ago when I double checked my work, held my nose, and cut over. Well, a several step cut over to make reverting easier if needed, but still a cut over. I'm now running SW raid 1, XFS, on two spinning disks (yes, I needed a powered USB hub for that). Oh, and I did need a custom compiled kernel, but I am booting and running off that disk pair; I am /not/ booting off of an SD card, I don't trust them. No fans—the PI 4 is the sweet spot at the moment, the PI 5 pretty much requires a CPU fan. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@driftwood.blu.org https://driftwood.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Debian 11 -> 12
On Sun, 19 May 2024 14:05:32 -0700 Kent Borg wrote: > I looked back on my notes for things I had installed that included > the letters "zfs" in their names and I removed them and apt quit > complaining. You also should look for any SPL packages. Likely you installed standalone ZFS on Linux at some point instead of using Debian's own packages and that's why the conflict. > File systems should work, before being clever and having cool > features their primary requirement is to /work/. ZFS does work. It works better than any other enterprise class filesystem I've ever worked with including XFS, JFS2 and AdvFS. But that's the thing: it's not a "simple" filesystem. It has hardware requirements that, if not met, will cause problems. One of the most common unmet requirements is that all consumer storage, including SD cards, lies about write commits. That is, they all confirm to the OS that they have committed writes when they haven't actually committed those writes. You *will* lose data if you use ZFS on this kind of storage. -- \m/ (--) \m/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@driftwood.blu.org https://driftwood.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Debian 11 -> 12
On 5/19/24 15:23, Rich Pieri wrote: it's not a "simple" filesystem I think that is my essence of my complaint. Too complicated for someone who isn't studied in it. I am pretty sure I didn't install anything other than standard Debian ZFS packages, but I can't be positive. I know I had choices and decisions to make and I might have messed up with something else. And whoever built the arm64 binaries for the Pi 4 might have messed up something, too. -kb ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@driftwood.blu.org https://driftwood.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Debian 11 -> 12
Biggest problem so far is when running emacs inside gnuscreen in Mate GUI…the current emacs text selection doesn't have a visible highlighting. A text emacs alone works. I can get other things to do color in screen (run top, then press Z, for example). My .screenrc just sets an escape character and scroll back value. /etc/screen matches what is in screen's .deb Both my user (which has emacs customizations) and another user (no emacs customizations nor any .screenrc file at all) have the same problem. Logging into a Debian 11 box and its old emacs and screen can happily team up to do selection highlighting on my MATE terminal. Further complication: I don't like those trendy dark-on-dark themes, I like back on white, so my highlighting is frequently messed up these days. -kb ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@driftwood.blu.org https://driftwood.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
