customization

2002-10-28 Thread gernot.kleiter
How can I customize dia for default startup properties?
Is there a configuration file in which things like
text: default font, center/left/right text, size, color
ruler on/off,
etc.
can be selected as default?

Gernot D. Kleiter
Dept. of Psychology
Univ. Salzburg
Austria

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Re: customization

2002-10-28 Thread Lars Clausen
On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, gernot kleiter wrote:
> How can I customize dia for default startup properties?
> Is there a configuration file in which things like
> text: default font, center/left/right text, size, color
> ruler on/off,
> etc.
> can be selected as default?

A number of diagram defaults can be set in the Preferences dialog (for new
diagrams), and default text attributes can be set by double-clicking the
text icon and setting the properties there.

-Lars

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Re: user defined sheets.

2002-10-28 Thread Alan Horkan


>   Another question is: What is the procedure of creating custom sheets with
> custom shapes? When I do it like this:
> -create shape and save it (in directory ~/.dia/shapes)
> -export it to dia shape format
> -create new sheet or select any old one.
> -add the newly created shape to the sheet.
>
> There is a message:
>
>   "Several object-types were named shapes abc.
> Only the first one will be used.
> Some things might not work as expected."

The name of a Dia Shape is what appears between the tags

they must be different
the filename is completely irrelavant.

the segfault is highly unlikely to be even remotely connected with this,
more likely is that your encoding problem is causing the segfault.

I might be able to attempt an answer to your other question later if i can
spare the time but please do try more things and provide more detail.

Sincerely
Alan Horkan

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Noob can't print right on Win32....

2002-10-28 Thread Nick Fisher
Hello!
  I'm just starting to play with Dia after much fighting with many other
similar apps and I'm very happy. BUT printing is all messed up.

When I print a page the right hand 2-3cm is chopped off.
If I reset the print margins I see no diference.
If I swap to landscape mode I see no difference (The orientation doesn't
change)
If I set landscape in Dia AND the printer Setup it's the right way around
but still too big.
If I change the scale I can make things *almost* the right size but I can
never seem to get a diagram to stay on a single page.

I'm working on Win32 using the installer from
http://dia-installer.sourceforge.net/ (0.90)

I'm in the US so I'm using letter sized paper.

I'm using two networked printers, a HP LJIIISi and a HP LJ8500DN.

I have installed GhostScript to try and trouble shoot but it looks like
it's Dia's output that's wrong rather than the printsetup. Exported EPS
files have chunks missing off of the sides.

I've had a look through the mail archives and didn't find anything that
really relates to the problems that I have been having. So does anyone
have any advice? Is this a common problem? I don't want to go submitting
bug reports for something that's just a product of my screwy machine.
Any thoughts most welcome.

  Nick


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Re: Noob can't print right on Win32....

2002-10-28 Thread Alan Horkan

> I'm in the US so I'm using letter sized paper.

AFAIK, that is exactly your problem.

US Letter is narrower than A4
so the on screen lines will be misleading.

Hopefully you can workaround it.

"The thing about standards is there are so many to choose from"

Patches welcome of course but from my limited knowledge of Dia it is
unlikely that this will be fixed anytime soon, same goes for a non-metric
version of Dia.

I wonder if Gnome Print works with Gtk only apps yet?  i heard months ago
that work was being done to seperate it from Gnome...

Sorry i cant be more helpful, back to making more Dia Shapes

Sincerely
Alan Horkan

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Re: Noob can't print right on Win32....

2002-10-28 Thread Nick Fisher
> > I'm in the US so I'm using letter sized paper.
> AFAIK, that is exactly your problem.
> 
> US Letter is narrower than A4
> so the on screen lines will be misleading.
I used to live in the UK and I've run across this one before ;)
Infact ANSI A paper is .6cm wider and 1.8cm shorter.
This is what confuzes me. If this was the problem the diagram should be to
narrow and too long... not too wide. however this may be why I always get
a blank sheet of paper with every print.
Also when I change back to A4 (Page setup appears to have paper size
support) the problem is still there (I'm using GhostScript to view)!
And landscape mode is totaly whacked out no matter what the size..
I'm wondering if this is a Dia thing or a Win32 Dia thing.

> Hopefully you can workaround it.
My current tactic is to eport to PNG...
Not very handy but it works for now...

> Sorry i cant be more helpful, back to making more Dia Shapes
Thanks for the thought ;)

  Nick


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Re: Noob can't print right on Win32....

2002-10-28 Thread Lars Clausen
On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Nick Fisher wrote:
>> > I'm in the US so I'm using letter sized paper.
>> AFAIK, that is exactly your problem.
>> 
>> US Letter is narrower than A4
>> so the on screen lines will be misleading.
> I used to live in the UK and I've run across this one before ;) Infact
> ANSI A paper is .6cm wider and 1.8cm shorter.  This is what confuzes
> me. If this was the problem the diagram should be to narrow and too
> long... not too wide. however this may be why I always get a blank sheet
> of paper with every print.  Also when I change back to A4 (Page setup
> appears to have paper size support) the problem is still there (I'm using
> GhostScript to view)!  And landscape mode is totaly whacked out no matter
> what the size..  I'm wondering if this is a Dia thing or a Win32 Dia
> thing.

I've been using Linux Dia with Letter paper for a long time without this
problem, so I'm guessing it's a Win32 Dia problem.  Probably the same as
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85831

>> Hopefully you can workaround it.
> My current tactic is to eport to PNG...
> Not very handy but it works for now...

Oh, that's horrible.  Can you export to EPS and use Ghostscript to print?

-Lars

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Re: Noob can't print right on Win32....

2002-10-28 Thread Nick Fisher
> >> > I'm in the US so I'm using letter sized paper.
> >> AFAIK, that is exactly your problem.
> >> 
> >> US Letter is narrower than A4
> >> so the on screen lines will be misleading.
> > I used to live in the UK and I've run across this one before ;)
> Infact
> > ANSI A paper is .6cm wider and 1.8cm shorter.  This is what
> confuzes
> > me. If this was the problem the diagram should be to narrow and too
> > long... not too wide. however this may be why I always get a blank
> sheet
> > of paper with every print.  Also when I change back to A4 (Page setup
> > appears to have paper size support) the problem is still there (I'm
> using
> > GhostScript to view)!  And landscape mode is totaly whacked out no
> matter
> > what the size..  I'm wondering if this is a Dia thing or a Win32 Dia
> > thing.
> 
> I've been using Linux Dia with Letter paper for a long time without
> this
> problem, so I'm guessing it's a Win32 Dia problem.  Probably the same
> as
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85831
OOo Nicely found.
I had a rummage in Buzilla but I guess I missed that one!

> >> Hopefully you can workaround it.
> > My current tactic is to eport to PNG...
> > Not very handy but it works for now...
> Oh, that's horrible.  Can you export to EPS and use Ghostscript to
> print?
No.. the EPS export is just as bad as the prints.
SVG however is starting to look very promising! Though I may have to
install Illustrator to format them :(
I was trying to stay away from expensive bloatware by using Dia. Know of
any good SVG viewer/printers on Win32? The only free one I've found is the
Adobe SVG viewer and that only appears to work in IE.

Thanks ;)
At least I *know* that this is a Win32 bug and I'm not just doing
something silly.

  Nick


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Re: Noob can't print right on Win32....

2002-10-28 Thread Levi Bard
What I've done in the past to work around this is set my page to letter in all places 
necessary, then gone to the page setup dialog, clicked "Fit to" 1 by 1, or whatever I 
wanted to fit to, then clicked back up to the scale option and reduced it slightly 
from there.  It's kind of a hassle, but it seems less so that exporting to SVG and 
installing Adobe Illustrator or some such.  

HTH,
Levi
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Status report on dia ???

2002-10-28 Thread Torben H. Nielsen
Hi,
There has been a little quiet on the dia-list lately especially has
there been far between the Changelog reports, which made me think a
little on the status of dia-cvs.

So, as a both interested and courious dia-user, would I like to know
how far the different porting projects (Pango & GObject - any others)
has come and what is missing to be completed.

Are there any plugins in beta state which needs a hand to be working
and (as good as) bugfree.

Can we expect a release as an extra christmas present :) or does the
core-team continue whith the one release policy as usual ;) 

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SVG Import [Re: Noob can't print right on Win32....]

2002-10-28 Thread Alan Horkan

> I was trying to stay away from expensive bloatware by using Dia. Know of
> any good SVG viewer/printers on Win32? The only free one I've found is the
> Adobe SVG viewer and that only appears to work in IE.

there are mozilla builds with SVG support but it is not great.

To change the subject, I recently noticed that Dia.shape files are
primarily SVG (and filed some bug reports requesting that Sketch and
Sodipodi should be able to export dia.shapes).

I spent a large chunk of yesterday evening taking SVG files from
OpenOffice, and changing them into .shape files so that Dia would import
them.
All i had to do was put the svg: namespace in front of every SVG tag and
change the colour values from rgb(0,0,0) to hexidecimal values then stick
a few of the Dia  tags and other bits and pieces in either side of
it.  Despite being really tedious and showing how desperately i need to
learn a good scripting language it was easy and worked really well.

How about turning on whatever SVG import there is in the next release? If
Dia is at least able to import the SVG that Dia itself exports that should
be plenty good enough to start with.  I am trying to figure out how to get
OpenOffice.org to batch convert WMF files to SVG and then i will have a
huge amount of clipart with which to test the the SVG importer in Dia.

I was also able to use the GDI in windows to paste shapes from Visio to
OpenOffice and then export them as SVG, but as Dia would not be able to
use these shapes it only served to prove an intersting possibility.
Perhaps the windows version of Dia could make more use of GDI?  (i dont
intend to file a bug report or feature request for this though).

Umm ... yeah, thinking out loud and stuff.
I had better go and finished off at least one of the sets of shapes i have
so that i can submit them if and when there is a release.
Please let there be a release soon, compiling stuff scares me *.

Later
Alan

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Re: SVG Import [Re: Noob can't print right on Win32....]

2002-10-28 Thread James Michael DuPont

> I spent a large chunk of yesterday evening taking SVG files from
> OpenOffice, and changing them into .shape files so that Dia would
> import
> them.
> All i had to do was put the svg: namespace in front of every SVG tag
> and
> change the colour values from rgb(0,0,0) to hexidecimal values then
> stick
> a few of the Dia  tags and other bits and pieces in either
> side of
> it.  Despite being really tedious and showing how desperately i need
> to
> learn a good scripting language it was easy and worked really well.

please post some examples, xslt and perl are perfect for this.




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Re: Noob can't print right on Win32....

2002-10-28 Thread Alan Horkan

One of the abiword developers noticed these comments and asked me to pass
on these ideas as it may be similar to problems that Abiword has
encountered.

http://www.abisource.com/mailinglists/abiword-dev/00/May/0085.html

(i am just the messenger i and i rarely print anything so i am even less
helpful than my usual not particularly helpful with this kind of problem)

Later
Alan

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Re: Status report on dia ???

2002-10-28 Thread Lars Clausen
On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Torben H. Nielsen wrote:
> Hi,
> There has been a little quiet on the dia-list lately especially has
> there been far between the Changelog reports, which made me think a
> little on the status of dia-cvs.
> 
> So, as a both interested and courious dia-user, would I like to know
> how far the different porting projects (Pango & GObject - any others)
> has come and what is missing to be completed.

GObject porting of the renderers is done, except perhaps for some Win32
stuff, which I'm not sure of.

I still have a horrible problem with the difference in font names between
gdk (X) pango and pangoft2.  I plan to either make standard X rendering use
pangoft2 or trim the font namespace to those that match.  Using pangoft2
all over requires more #hell because Win32 can't use freetype.  Trimming
the namespace is an ugly, ugly hack that's sure to break in a number of
ways. 

Cyrille has done some work on inputmethods, but I haven't heard anything
from him for a while, and the input methods don't seem to be working right
now 

> Are there any plugins in beta state which needs a hand to be working
> and (as good as) bugfree.

Not that I can think of offhand, but check the bug database.

> Can we expect a release as an extra christmas present :) or does the
> core-team continue whith the one release policy as usual ;) 

I would like to do a christmas release, if at all possible.  Cyrille?

-Lars

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Re: SVG Import [Re: Noob can't print right on Win32....]

2002-10-28 Thread Alan Horkan

On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, James Michael DuPont wrote:

> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:36:08 -0800 (PST)
> From: James Michael DuPont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: SVG Import [Re: Noob can't print right on Win32]
>
>
> > I spent a large chunk of yesterday evening taking SVG files from
> > OpenOffice, and changing them into .shape files so that Dia would
> > import
> > them.
> > All i had to do was put the svg: namespace in front of every SVG tag
> > and
> > change the colour values from rgb(0,0,0) to hexidecimal values then
> > stick
> > a few of the Dia  tags and other bits and pieces in either
> > side of
> > it.  Despite being really tedious and showing how desperately i need
> > to
> > learn a good scripting language it was easy and worked really well.
>
> please post some examples, xslt and perl are perfect for this.

If i can figure out what happened to my laptop network settings i will
show the before and after of the SVG files i converted.  if actually i get
around to putting together any scripts (not likely) i will certainly make
them available.


Is mise
Alan

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Re: Status report on dia ???

2002-10-28 Thread Lars Clausen
On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Torben H. Nielsen wrote:
> 
> Are there any plugins in beta state which needs a hand to be working
> and (as good as) bugfree.

Ha, Alan mentions one right there:  The SVG importer needs some kind of
work, talk with him about what's up.

-Lars

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noise: Freetype and Windows

2002-10-28 Thread Alan G Isaac
This is probably just noise, so forgive me.
But I was puzzled by the claim that FreeType
cannot be used under Win32 and the claim
"Apart from a standard ANSI C library, FreeType 2 doesn't
have any external dependencies and can be compiled and
installed on its own on any kind of system."
 http://freetype.sourceforge.net/freetype2/index.html#requirements

Cheers,
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RE: Noob can't print right on Win32....

2002-10-28 Thread Daniel Quinlan
> -Original Message-
> From: Nick Fisher [mailto:Nick@;nickdafish.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2002 6:05 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Alan Horkan
> Subject: Re: Noob can't print right on Win32
> 
> 
[snip]
> I'm wondering if this is a Dia thing or a Win32 Dia thing.

haven't tried Dia on linux in a long time but I have the exact same problem
with Dia win32

try using the scaling feature in Page Setup
i've been using '40'
but it'll depend on your drawing

> > Hopefully you can workaround it.
> My current tactic is to eport to PNG...
> Not very handy but it works for now...

i was doing this at first as well but got sick to death of it :)

regards,
Daniel
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Re: noise: Freetype and Windows

2002-10-28 Thread Lars Clausen
On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Alan G. Isaac wrote:
> This is probably just noise, so forgive me.
> But I was puzzled by the claim that FreeType
> cannot be used under Win32 and the claim
> "Apart from a standard ANSI C library, FreeType 2 doesn't
> have any external dependencies and can be compiled and
> installed on its own on any kind of system."
>  http://freetype.sourceforge.net/freetype2/index.html#requirements

Well, our main Win32 guy, Hans Breuer, said this the last time I suggested
using all FreeType:

-
It is currently broken (just once more: please read 'Heads up on Pango Head')
cause it uses fontconfig which appears to work on X but IMHO needs a
complete rewrite to fit into the win32 platform. Remember on win32
there already is a built-in font configuration which does not require 
an *nix like config files but provides device independent font matching 
(same code can be used to render to display or printer or to wmf). 
This exactly is what the win32 specific Dia print code does.
-

The "Heads up on Pango Head" mentioned is a thread on gtk-i18n-list and
gtk-devel-list.  It's not FreeType itself (sorry if I made it look that
way), but the Pango interface to FreeType.

-Lars

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Re: noise: Freetype and Windows

2002-10-28 Thread Tor Lillqvist
 > It is currently broken (just once more: please read 'Heads up on
 > Pango Head') cause it uses fontconfig which appears to work on X
 > but IMHO needs a complete rewrite to fit into the win32 platform.

But it's only HEAD of Pango that uses fontconfig; shouldn't pangoft2
in the pango-1-0 branch still work fine? Does Dia really require GTK+
and Pango HEAD?

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Re: noise: Freetype and Windows

2002-10-28 Thread James Michael DuPont

--- Lars Clausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Alan G. Isaac wrote:
> > This is probably just noise, so forgive me.
> > But I was puzzled by the claim that FreeType
> > cannot be used under Win32 and the claim
> > "Apart from a standard ANSI C library, FreeType 2 doesn't
> > have any external dependencies and can be compiled and
> > installed on its own on any kind of system."
> >  http://freetype.sourceforge.net/freetype2/index.html#requirements
> 
> Well, our main Win32 guy, Hans Breuer, said this the last time I
> suggested
> using all FreeType:
> 
> -
> It is currently broken (just once more: please read 'Heads up on
> Pango Head')
> cause it uses fontconfig which appears to work on X but IMHO needs a
> complete rewrite to fit into the win32 platform. Remember on win32
> there already is a built-in font configuration which does not require
> 
> an *nix like config files but provides device independent font
> matching 
> (same code can be used to render to display or printer or to wmf). 
> This exactly is what the win32 specific Dia print code does.
> -
> 
> The "Heads up on Pango Head" mentioned is a thread on gtk-i18n-list
> and
> gtk-devel-list.  It's not FreeType itself (sorry if I made it look
> that
> way), but the Pango interface to FreeType.

This is interesting,
currently I am working on free type, getting other errors, but am
planning on porting it and pango. If dia does not need it, then ok.
Otherwise, there is defoma, the debian font manager. Otherwise I am
willing to give it a try, please tell me more.

BTW, check out the current status of the debian mingw32 report at 
http://introspector.sourceforge.net/dia_win32.htm

The newest zlib, libpng are waiting for testers, any takers? All the
instructions are on the webpage. 

Currently I am working on gtk+, libtiff, libjpeg and freetype (later
pango). freetype has been ported to libsdl.

There is also a new mailing list to cover this port,
http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/introspector-mingw32

Thanks to Mikes Garnsey for all his help, and Tor Lud. for his
continuing support and kind words. Hans for his great work as well.

please help the effort to build a free enviroment to write software in
for windows under debian. The cygwin32 port of debian has enough done
to be used with my packages, if anyone wants to help test that, I have
some tests as well.

Mike
mike

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Re: noise: Freetype and Windows

2002-10-28 Thread James Michael DuPont
--- Tor Lillqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > It is currently broken (just once more: please read 'Heads up on
>  > Pango Head') cause it uses fontconfig which appears to work on X
>  > but IMHO needs a complete rewrite to fit into the win32 platform.
> 
> But it's only HEAD of Pango that uses fontconfig; shouldn't pangoft2
> in the pango-1-0 branch still work fine? Does Dia really require GTK+
> and Pango HEAD?

Hmm, I am using the debian packages. apt-src install to get the
packages to port. This also resolved the dependancies.

The build depends of libpango 1.0 in debian is :
debhelper (>> 4.0.0), libfreetype6-dev (>= 2.1.2), xlibs-dev,
libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.0.6), pkg-config, defoma (>= 0.11.1)

Do you know about?
gdk-imlib1-dev

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Re: noise: Freetype and Windows

2002-10-28 Thread Lars Clausen
On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, James Michael DuPont wrote:
> 
> --- Lars Clausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Alan G. Isaac wrote:
>> > This is probably just noise, so forgive me.
>> > But I was puzzled by the claim that FreeType
>> > cannot be used under Win32 and the claim
>> > "Apart from a standard ANSI C library, FreeType 2 doesn't
>> > have any external dependencies and can be compiled and
>> > installed on its own on any kind of system."
>> >  http://freetype.sourceforge.net/freetype2/index.html#requirements
>> 
>> Well, our main Win32 guy, Hans Breuer, said this the last time I
>> suggested
>> using all FreeType:
>> 
>> -
>> It is currently broken (just once more: please read 'Heads up on
>> Pango Head')
>> cause it uses fontconfig which appears to work on X but IMHO needs a
>> complete rewrite to fit into the win32 platform. Remember on win32
>> there already is a built-in font configuration which does not require
>> 
>> an *nix like config files but provides device independent font
>> matching 
>> (same code can be used to render to display or printer or to wmf). 
>> This exactly is what the win32 specific Dia print code does.
>> -
>> 
>> The "Heads up on Pango Head" mentioned is a thread on gtk-i18n-list
>> and
>> gtk-devel-list.  It's not FreeType itself (sorry if I made it look
>> that
>> way), but the Pango interface to FreeType.
> 
> This is interesting,
> currently I am working on free type, getting other errors, but am
> planning on porting it and pango. If dia does not need it, then ok.
> Otherwise, there is defoma, the debian font manager. Otherwise I am
> willing to give it a try, please tell me more.

As I understand it, Win32 Dia only requires Freetype for EPS export.
Printing is done via the native printing interface, and antialiasing via
the native font interface.  

-Lars

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Re: noise: Freetype and Windows

2002-10-28 Thread Lars Clausen
On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Tor Lillqvist wrote:
>  > It is currently broken (just once more: please read 'Heads up on
>  > Pango Head') cause it uses fontconfig which appears to work on X
>  > but IMHO needs a complete rewrite to fit into the win32 platform.
> 
> But it's only HEAD of Pango that uses fontconfig; shouldn't pangoft2
> in the pango-1-0 branch still work fine? Does Dia really require GTK+
> and Pango HEAD?

No, it just requires the 1.0 branch.  Can anybody confirm whether pangoft2
in the 1.0 branch works under Windows?

-Lars

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