Re: DXF import
Le Tue, Sep 10, 2002, à 09:32:54AM -0600, Angus Ainslie a écrit: > The diff is against the latest CVS. I have no idea why it won't apply > cleanly. OK, it did. I was confused by the 0.90 here: > >>--- dia/plug-ins/dxf/Makefile.amMon Sep 9 06:36:46 2002 > >>+++ dia-0.90/plug-ins/dxf/Makefile.am Wed Dec 31 17:00:00 1969 the CVS world had moved a little since you did the diff, so I had to adapt a little, but globally the thing is in. Thanks a lot for your contribution! -- Cyrille -- ___ Dia-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list
building dia
I've been having problems with flowchart box resizing and noticed that this was fixed a few days ago. I'd like to rebuild dia with this fix. Should I download the .90 sources and apply the patch? How stable is the latest snapshot? Am I correct to assume that dia is undergoing some drastic changes with the move to Gnome 2.0? Also, how can I build this for Windows? I have some documents that I need to share with some office mates, some of whom are Windows-only folks. After being out of the dia loop for a while, I was pleasantly surprised to find a Win build existed! But, was rather disappointed to find that it locked up whenever it read in the documents I needed to share :^( I'd like to support dia, but I also need to get some work done! Thanks for your help... I don't want to install Visio under Win4Lin. Ack!! noky ___ Dia-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list
Re: building dia
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Mike Charnoky wrote: > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:53:38 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mike Charnoky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: building dia > > I've been having problems with flowchart box resizing and noticed that > this was fixed a few days ago. I'd like to rebuild dia with this fix. > Should I download the .90 sources and apply the patch? How stable is the > latest snapshot? Am I correct to assume that dia is undergoing some > drastic changes with the move to Gnome 2.0? > > Also, how can I build this for Windows? I have some documents that I need > to share with some office mates, some of whom are Windows-only folks. > After being out of the dia loop for a while, I was pleasantly surprised to > find a Win build existed! But, was rather disappointed to find that it > locked up whenever it read in the documents I needed to share :^( > > I'd like to support dia, but I also need to get some work done! Thanks > for your help... I don't want to install Visio under Win4Lin. Ack!! > > > noky > > ___ > Dia-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list > ___ Dia-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list
lines
Hi. I am completely new to Dia, but it seems great so far. (I am using the Windows binary.) I understand this is a user-to-user list. Please let me know if basic questions are inappropriate for this list. In other drawing programs I have used, one can force a line to vertical or horizontal by holding down the shift key while drawing. This is very useful since otherwise completely horizontal or vertical lines are hard to draw. Similarly, in other programs, holding down the shift key forces ellipses to draw perfect circles, which is useful for the same reason. How is this done in Dia? Thanks, Alan Isaac ___ Dia-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list
Re: lines
Make sure snap to grip is turned on View, Snap to Grid or so that it is the default for every diagram under File, Preferences ... Grid Lines Snap to: Yes As for drawing perfect circles, sorry Dia does not do that yet but i added a shapes in CVS that do it, you can grab them easily enough and add them to Dia 0.90 if you like. Holding down Ctrl locks the shape so that it only resizes Horizontally or Vertically, but you probably already noticed that. i filed an enhancement request about this kind of aspect ratio stuff in bugzilla ( http://bugzilla.gnome.org ) but in the meantime i recommend you try out the basic shapes i added. the sheet is called Assorted. (or if you just want a perfect circle it is not hard to make your own). If you have any requests for shapes to be drawn please add them to bugzilla, maybe i will have time to draw them at some stage ... Sincerely Alan Horkan Dublin, Ireland http://gnome.org On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Alan G Isaac wrote: > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:52:40 -0400 (EDT) > From: Alan G Isaac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: dia-list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: lines > > Hi. I am completely new to Dia, but > it seems great so far. (I am using > the Windows binary.) > > I understand this is a user-to-user list. > Please let me know if basic questions are > inappropriate for this list. I dont think anyone here minds user questions so long as users have at least tried to read the Documentation and find an answer on their own first. > In other drawing programs I have used, one > can force a line to vertical or horizontal > by holding down the shift key while drawing. > This is very useful since otherwise completely > horizontal or vertical lines are hard to draw. > > Similarly, in other programs, holding down the > shift key forces ellipses to draw perfect circles, which > is useful for the same reason. > > How is this done in Dia? > Thanks, > Alan Isaac ___ Dia-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list
Re: lines
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Alan G. Isaac wrote: > Hi. I am completely new to Dia, but > it seems great so far. (I am using > the Windows binary.) Thanks! [...] > > I understand this is a user-to-user list. > Please let me know if basic questions are > inappropriate for this list. They're fine. > In other drawing programs I have used, one > can force a line to vertical or horizontal > by holding down the shift key while drawing. > This is very useful since otherwise completely > horizontal or vertical lines are hard to draw. This can be done with the Control key in Dia. It restricts all movement to horizontal/vertical. > Similarly, in other programs, holding down the > shift key forces ellipses to draw perfect circles, which > is useful for the same reason. > > How is this done in Dia? This isn't really done yet. It could possibly be done similarly to Control... actually, you're giving me an idea. Let me get back to you. Come to think of it, it might make sense to have Control restrict aspect ratio when resizing an Element. And maybe we should change to Shift to conform to other drawing programs. -Lars -- Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| Hårdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I | will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbasket? ___ Dia-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list
Re[2]: lines
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:07:23 +0100 (IST) Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Make sure snap to grip is turned on I should have thought of this, but I almost always work with "snap to grid" off. Please consider allowing "shift" with lines or ellipses to constrain the basic shapes, as this is a very useful feature. > As for drawing perfect circles, sorry Dia does not do that yet but i added a > shapes in CVS that do it, you can grab them easily enough and add them to Dia > 0.90 if you like. Holding down Ctrl locks the shape so that it only resizes > Horizontally or Vertically, but you probably already noticed that. the sheet > is called Assorted. OK, I'll give this a try. > (or if > you just want a perfect circle it is not hard to make your own). This is indeed one of the GREAT things about Dia! > If you have any requests for shapes to be drawn please add them to > bugzilla, maybe i will have time to draw them at some stage ... OK! One more thing about the ellipses: it would be nice to have a core ellipse object that could be reshaped around a fixed center point. Thanks! Alan Isaac ___ Dia-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list
Re: lines
On 12 Sep 2002, Lars Clausen wrote: > On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Alan G. Isaac wrote: >> >> Similarly, in other programs, holding down the >> shift key forces ellipses to draw perfect circles, which >> is useful for the same reason. >> >> How is this done in Dia? > > This isn't really done yet. It could possibly be done similarly to > Control... actually, you're giving me an idea. Let me get back to you. Almost worked. I just need to figure out the right handle, and how to tell if the object is an Element. The first part is the trickiest. And there are more pressing things right now (such as getting text in PNG output back in shape). -Lars -- Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| Hårdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I | will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbasket? ___ Dia-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list
Re: lines
On 12 Sep 2002, Lars Clausen wrote: > Date: 12 Sep 2002 15:32:45 -0500 > From: Lars Clausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: lines > > On 12 Sep 2002, Lars Clausen wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Alan G. Isaac wrote: > >> > >> Similarly, in other programs, holding down the > >> shift key forces ellipses to draw perfect circles, which > >> is useful for the same reason. > >> > >> How is this done in Dia? > > > > This isn't really done yet. It could possibly be done similarly to > > Control... actually, you're giving me an idea. Let me get back to you. > > Almost worked. I just need to figure out the right handle, and how to tell > if the object is an Element. The first part is the trickiest. And there > are more pressing things right now (such as getting text in PNG output back > in shape). If and when you do get around to adding this to make sure it is useful for usability i would suggest having some sort way for user to discover this functionality (ie a menu item) without having to read documentation. The related bug report i mentioned http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87966 "Toggle Fixed/Free aspectratio from Object menu" I managed to do what i get annoyed at other people for doing, bug reporters should to say what the problem the are trying to solve is and the general functionality you want and to avoid dictating how it should be solved and i did not even manage to offer a comparison of how various other programs achieve this. I must have been in a hurry or something ... Sincerely Alan Horkan > Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| Hårdgrim of Numenor > Dia-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list http://gnome.org http://online.ie http://mozilla.org Digital Restrictions Management (DRM) http://www.epic.org/privacy/drm/ ___ Dia-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list
Re: lines
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Alan Horkan wrote: > > On 12 Sep 2002, Lars Clausen wrote: > >> Date: 12 Sep 2002 15:32:45 -0500 >> From: Lars Clausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Re: lines >> >> On 12 Sep 2002, Lars Clausen wrote: >> > On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Alan G. Isaac wrote: >> >> >> >> Similarly, in other programs, holding down the >> >> shift key forces ellipses to draw perfect circles, which >> >> is useful for the same reason. >> >> >> >> How is this done in Dia? >> > >> > This isn't really done yet. It could possibly be done similarly to >> > Control... actually, you're giving me an idea. Let me get back to >> > you. >> >> Almost worked. I just need to figure out the right handle, and how to >> tell if the object is an Element. The first part is the trickiest. And >> there are more pressing things right now (such as getting text in PNG >> output back in shape). > > If and when you do get around to adding this to make sure it is useful > for usability i would suggest having some sort way for user to discover > this functionality (ie a menu item) without having to read documentation. At the moment, I'm still puzzled about how to get from the mouse position to the aspect ratio position. It's easy when you are moving the lower right handle, but much trickier with the other handles. It seems to me that it's reasonable to have Ctrl+(move element handle) be fixed aspect resize (though shift might be a better choice). I can see few cases where you really need to have horizontal/vertical movement for resizing elements. The same problems would apply whether we use a key modifier or a menu entry. -Lars -- Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| Hårdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I | will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbasket? ___ Dia-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list
Re: lines
> It > seems to me that it's reasonable to have Ctrl+(move element handle) be > fixed aspect resize (though shift might be a better choice). I can see > few cases where you really need to have horizontal/vertical movement for > resizing elements. The same problems would apply whether we use a key > modifier or a menu entry. Perhaps a useless bit of info, but relevent to certain people: many window managers capture one of the modifier keys to allow moving or resizing the window itself. I think it's almost always the ALT modifier on x86 boxen. It rather annoyed me that Gimp overloaded the ALT key for some tools. -- Tim Ellis Senior Database Architect Gamet, Inc. ___ Dia-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list
Re: lines
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Tim Ellis wrote: >> It >> seems to me that it's reasonable to have Ctrl+(move element handle) be >> fixed aspect resize (though shift might be a better choice). I can see >> few cases where you really need to have horizontal/vertical movement for >> resizing elements. The same problems would apply whether we use a key >> modifier or a menu entry. > > Perhaps a useless bit of info, but relevent to certain people: many > window managers capture one of the modifier keys to allow moving or > resizing the window itself. I think it's almost always the ALT modifier > on x86 boxen. > > It rather annoyed me that Gimp overloaded the ALT key for some tools. Yes, there's definitely a problem. I think it's the WM's fault, mainly. Emacs has used Alt & Control for ages. If you happen to have a keyboard with Windows keys, they usually map to Hyper. The only sensible use for them is to have them be the WM modifier key. I would like to keep off Alt, though. Hopefully, we can make do with Control (or Shift, as it may be). -Lars -- Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| Hårdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I | will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbasket? ___ Dia-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list
Monthly tedia2sql Reminder: 1.2.6 released
A reminder that tedia2sql is still under active development. Features have been requested, features have been added. CVS has been inactive for a few days, so I've released version 1.2.6. To be honest, I don't remember what happened to 1.2.5... :O What is tedia2sql? It is a tool that allows you to create a database ERD in Dia (using the UML shape toolset), then to convert that ERD into a SQL DDL script for multiple databases. Some say the documentation I've written is good, so visit the homepage and see if tedia2sql is for you. Homepage: http://tedia2sql.tigris.org/ One fun screenshot: http://tedia2sql.tigris.org/sampleImages/BigERD.png Another fun screenshot: http://tedia2sql.tigris.org/sampleImages/TestERD.png One sample DDL output by the above screenshot: http://tedia2sql.tigris.org/pgsql-testerd.sql The screenshots are just Dia diagrams that are successfully parsed by tedia2sql into DDL for the supported databases. The BigERD.png screenshot is the actual ERD I work on as a DBA and, as you can see, is quite large and complex. Cheers, -- Tim Ellis Senior Database Architect Author, tedia2sql ps -- If anyone knows of Oracle, DB2, Ingres, and Sybase forums that would be appropriate to cross-post this notice to, please let me know via email. Thank you. ___ Dia-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list
Re: building dia
Le Thu, Sep 12, 2002, à 10:53:38AM -0700, Mike Charnoky a écrit: > I've been having problems with flowchart box resizing and noticed that > this was fixed a few days ago. I'd like to rebuild dia with this fix. > Should I download the .90 sources and apply the patch? How stable is the > latest snapshot? Am I correct to assume that dia is undergoing some > drastic changes with the move to Gnome 2.0? You could try to backport the patch to 0.90. IIRC, there aren't much changed in FS objects since 0.90 besides this patch, except font handling. Indeed, the CVS version uses gtk2.0/GNOME 2.0 > Also, how can I build this for Windows? I have some documents that I need > to share with some office mates, some of whom are Windows-only folks. You need MSVC, a lot of patience, and I strongly advise you to not undertake building every dependency -- compile only dia itself if you can avoir compiling the rest (just to save you some hassle). If you do succeed, we would be very interested in hearing that. > After being out of the dia loop for a while, I was pleasantly surprised to > find a Win build existed! But, was rather disappointed to find that it > locked up whenever it read in the documents I needed to share :^( Which version did you try? Does the same version on *nix lock up? Can you post a sample file? -- Cyrille -- ___ Dia-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list
Re: building dia
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Cyrille Chepelov wrote: > Le Thu, Sep 12, 2002, à 10:53:38AM -0700, Mike Charnoky a écrit: >> I've been having problems with flowchart box resizing and noticed that >> this was fixed a few days ago. I'd like to rebuild dia with this fix. >> Should I download the .90 sources and apply the patch? How stable is >> the latest snapshot? Am I correct to assume that dia is undergoing some >> drastic changes with the move to Gnome 2.0? > > You could try to backport the patch to 0.90. IIRC, there aren't much > changed in FS objects since 0.90 besides this patch, except font > handling. Here is the patch in its entirety: Index: box.c === RCS file: /cvs/gnome/dia/objects/flowchart/box.c,v retrieving revision 1.26 retrieving revision 1.27 diff -r1.26 -r1.27 307d306 < 436,437c435,438 < elem->width = width; < elem->height = height; --- > if (width > elem->width) > elem->width = width; > if (height > elem->height) > elem->height = height; Your line numbers may vary. > Indeed, the CVS version uses gtk2.0/GNOME 2.0 It is fairly stable, except for antialiasing, PNG export and special input methods. >> Also, how can I build this for Windows? I have some documents that I >> need to share with some office mates, some of whom are Windows-only >> folks. > > You need MSVC, a lot of patience, and I strongly advise you to not > undertake building every dependency -- compile only dia itself if you can > avoir compiling the rest (just to save you some hassle). If you do > succeed, we would be very interested in hearing that. Indeed, if you set out to build every dependency, we would much appreciate a log of what it takes. Docs are *very* sparse on the subject, and in need of improvement. -Lars -- Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| Hårdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I | will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbasket? ___ Dia-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list
XMI
About a year ago, there was some interest in XMI on the list. Is there still interest in having Dia at least export to an XMI-compliant format? Is anyone working on it? Thanks, Levi -- Levi Bard [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Dia-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list
