Re: F42 Change Proposal: Split opendmarc with tools subpackage (Self-Contained)

[Peter Boy Uni]

> Am 03.12.2024 um 19:32 schrieb Aoife Moloney via devel-announce 
> :
> 
> Wiki - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SplitOpendmarcTools
> Discussion Thread -
> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f42-change-proposal-split-opendmarc-with-tools-subpackage-self-contained/138989
> 
> This is a proposed Change for Fedora Linux.
> This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes
> process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive
> community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved
> by the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee.
> 
> == Summary ==
> `opendmarc` package includes some supporting optional binaries that
> are not required to configure the service.
> 
> 
> == Owner ==
> 
> * Name: [[User:mikelo2| Mikel Olasagasti]]
> 
> * Email: mi...@olasagasti.info
> 
> 
> == Detailed Description ==
> 
> `opendmarc` package ships some extra tools that are not required to
> run the `opendmarc` service. These tools are:
> 
> * opendmarc-check
> * opendmarc-expire
> * opendmarc-import
> * opendmarc-importstats
> * opendmarc-params
> * opendmarc-reports
> 
> Some of these tools are written in perl and add a lot of dependencies.
> 
> I created a testing package in copr that I used for testing:
> 
> * Installing `opendmarc` only:
> ...
> 
> * Installing `opendmarc-tools`:
> 

I appreciate this proposal very much! It results in a cleaner and leaner server 
installation.

But I would ask to include the opendmarc-check utility into the base package, 
hoping it alone does not include all the mentioned 90 packages. For system 
administration, you will often use it to check your configuration. All the 
other progs are only needed if you engage in the dmarc reporting system.


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Re: Seeking Fedora projects or issues that could use some new short-term contributors

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Hi Adrian, 

> Am 31.01.2025 um 02:33 schrieb Adrian Edwards :
> 
> Hello Fedora Devel!
> 
> . . 
> Ideally I would be interested in small projects or issues within Fedora, are 
> approachable to people who are relatively new, and ideally have avenues for 
> students to get help and learn from the team if they get stuck (in addition 
> to the resource I am providing in terms of office hours and other assistance 
> for the class).
> 
> Is anyone aware of particular projects that may be a good fit?
> 
> So far I have ideas like: potentially revamping 
> https://whatcanidoforfedora.org/,

I’m member of the Fedora Docs board. The whatcanido page is one of the projects 
on my todo list for a long time. But I never had the time to bring it forward. 
But it is really a very interesting project and I’m eager o support any 
initiative to bring it forward. Conceptually it is interesting, too. It is part 
of the onboarding initiative. And in case, we could bring it forward, I would 
change the Docs landing page to use it effectively.

In Fedora Docs there are some other areas which are good opportunity for the 
class you have in mind. Among others
* small
- Various issues in the design of docs pages, needs someone with skills in CSS 
and HTML. 
- Need for some additional formatting options, needs the same as above.
- For someone with interest in writing documentation, there are several 
opportunities, either to update (and maybe improve docs quality) existing 
documentation (e.g. quick Docs), or to develop new docs in a specific area (e.g 
Fedora Server or Fedora Administration Tools).

In these cases you have to fix issues in existing code, which can be done in 
the time frame of a month.

* projects requiring more time
- For the Quick Docs start page we need a new design and a new structure, which 
replaces the current fixed navigation column by dynamic category and tags 
centered structure. Needs a complete rewriting of the current Quick Docs start 
page. Needs skill in CSS, HTML and maybe Typescript/Javascript. 
- For Fedora Server documentation we work on development of Ansible support for 
services. Would be an opportunity for someone with skill in programming and an 
interest in learning or working with Ansible. Each service is relative small so 
it is doable in a 1 - 2 months time frame. It requires the development of a 
complete new ‚playbook‘, but there templates to learn from.

And with a stronger connection to University, we have a scientificCMS project 
(https://scientificcms.org ), which is Java, CSS, 
HTML, Typescript. But is rather complex and difficult to master in a short time 
frame of 1-3 months. 

 
By the way, I’m a scientist at University of Bremen, doing research, 
development and teaching.


Best
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Re: Java update notices on Fedora 41

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> Am 13.02.2025 um 12:05 schrieb Jiri Vanek :
> 
> 
> 
> On 2/13/25 11:50 AM, Mario Torre wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 11:40 AM Peter Boy Uni  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Am 13.02.2025 um 10:25 schrieb Jiri Vanek :
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> If my brain's built-in translator is working correctly, does this mean 
>>> you're withdrawing your announcement and deprecation? I'd very very much 
>>> welcome that!
>> No.
> 
> Indeed. In f42 all older jdks 17-8 will be gone. Until EOL of f41, I will do 
> my best to keep it alive. If you will move to Temurins in meantime (the 
> repository is already available) better for everybody I think.

I guess, that’s really a bad decision. 

Currently, Jakarta EE 10 - a core part of the Java universe – is the current 
release (unless I missed the final EE 11 release announcement) and is specified 
for Java SE 11 & 17. And we are going to remove just these versions in F42?  

And Wildfly – part of our own software family – says "You need Java (at least 
version 11, and preferably 17) and Maven installed on your machine …“ [1] (Link 
 prominently on the landing page). And we are going to remove just these 
versions in F42?

That seems pretty crazy to me.  

And wouldn't it perhaps make sense to ask our users beforehand or at least 
analyze the downloads to see what the actual demand is? 

And no, Temurin is not a solution for Fedora, because by policy we only accept 
Fedora-built packages for distribution or system installations. For this to be 
a solution, we would have to find with FESCO a similar solution for Eclipse 
Foundation as we have for flatpaks for Workstation. (Such a solution would be 
progress in more ways than one.)
 
As chaotic as we currently handle it, it's not surprising that I keep coming 
across admins who leave RHEL / Fedora Server for Debian / Ubuntu. What a pitty.



[1] https://www.wildfly.org/get-started/

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Re: Java update notices on Fedora 41

[Peter Boy Uni]

> Am 13.02.2025 um 10:25 schrieb Jiri Vanek :
> 
> 
> 
> On 2/12/25 10:06 PM, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
>> Mario Torre wrote:
>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 2:11 AM Kevin Kofler via devel
>>>  wrote:
 
 Mario Torre wrote:
> OpenJDK 11 is EOL in Fedora regardless of the Fedora version, it hasn’t
> been updated in January for example.
 
 This is entirely unacceptable. The package shipped with Fedora 41, so it
 MUST get security backports until the Fedora 41 EOL. If the maintainers
 do not want to take care of that, they should orphan the package and let
 somebody else push the required security updates.
>>> 
>>> I am afraid not.
>>> 
>>> If you want an updated package, you should be using the latest
>>> versions, anything else is a best effort and there's no guarantee it
>>> will be updated going forward.
>> Nonsense. OpenJDK 11 is an LTS version that is still getting security
> 
> I Agree with Kevin, and I keep it updated, as long as I'm alive. As noted 
> elsewhere in this thread, I'm negotiating with jdk11 possible future  
> maintainers they step in as help.

If my brain's built-in translator is working correctly, does this mean you're 
withdrawing your announcement and deprecation? I'd very very much welcome that! 

In my ‚main  side job', I work in the Fedora Server WG. And Java is an 
extremely important part of the software portfolio for servers. And because of 
its very extensive backwards compatibility – an important trademark and 
difference to other popular languages –  Java 11 is basically not dispensable 
either. And Temurin is not a solution for us because the Fedora guidelines only 
allow us to install Fedora-built packages. Of course I also see the workload 
and didn't want to (kind of) demand it before.


> 
>> updates upstream and, e.g., in Adoptium Temurin (to which the console spam
>> from the Fedora RPM was actually pointing). It just takes updating the
> 
> Spam? Is that really so bad? What else would you suggest?

I appreciate the message (well, not the message, but the placement). It is, or 
would be, a very serious infringement of the Fedora Java runtime environment. 
This cannot be announced early enough and as widely as possible. And because 
servers are mainly administered via terminal, a large proportion of users get 
aware of it.  


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Re: GDM dropped support for running X11 sessions in F42 without a Change?

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> Am 09.04.2025 um 21:20 schrieb Nishant Mishra :
> 
> Peter Boy , 
> In this case you are wrong 😒 
> I have been a Fedora Contributor since Last 3 years

Sorry if my wording was imprecise. I wasn't referring to you or anyone in 
particular. I was referring to various discussions, mostly on Devel List. And I 
know Kevin's position on the subject (and some other controversies). And I 
sympathize with his pragmatic and including stance.




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Re: GDM dropped support for running X11 sessions in F42 without a Change?

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> Am 09.04.2025 um 19:19 schrieb Jared K. Smith :
> 
> but I take exception to your language here.  I don't see this as a "crusade" 
> (to use your word), I see this as the GDM maintainers making a choice to 
> support one way of doing things instead of two.  Calling it a "crusade" (and 
> the implications that word brings) doesn't help foster friendly 
> communications or trust within Fedora.


I'm not even involved in Fedora Desktops. I gave up on Fedora and Gnome years 
ago.

But I followed that discussion with interest. And there was in large parts 
nothing, absolutely nothing, of “friendly communication” or “trust within 
Fedora”. If I remember correctly, people from the SIG were excluded by majority 
vote. The term “crusade” is a fitting one. It was kind of “proselytizing”. 

And fortunately I can sit back and watch the Fedora desktop drama unfold. 



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Re: GDM dropped support for running X11 sessions in F42 without a Change?

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> Am 24.04.2025 um 11:27 schrieb Marc Deop i Argemí 
> :
> 
> On Wednesday, 9 April 2025 19:48:33 Central European Summer Time Kevin Kofler 
> via devel wrote:
>> Yes, but only because *I* packaged kwin-x11 and plasma-workspace-x11
>> separately and went through a long argument in the FESCo issue tracker with
>> the KDE SIG trying to block me from introducing those 2 packages (despite
>> previous public statements claiming they would not attempt to prevent that).
>> Someone (a third party, not a KDE SIG member) even (unsuccessfully) tried
>> appealing FESCo's decision to allow the packages (under some conditions) to
>> the Council. I believe that these packages would not exist in Fedora today
>> if it were not for me and my perseverance over this issue.
> 
> Please, just stop. Your message definitely does not follow the Fedora Code of 
> Conduct on different points.
> 
> You could have stopped at "Yes, but only because *I* packaged kwin-x11 and 
> plasma-workspace-x11 separately" and you would have conveyed all the 
> information that was needed.
> 
> Everything else is uncalled for.

Interesting. Could you perhaps elaborate on which of our standards 
(https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/#_our_standards) 
this post violates?  



 
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Re: Self Introduction: Andrei Mititelu

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Hi Andrei,

> Am 10.04.2025 um 23:27 schrieb Andrei Mititelu :
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I'm Andrei, a 27 year old developer from Romania with 1.5 years of 
> experience, plus a background in QA(2 years) and technical support(1 year). 
> In my spare time, I enjoy volunteering, swimming, reading and hanging out 
> with my parrot, Joselu.
> 
> I would like to help with any java related bugs or packages, I've started 
> reading the docs. Could you please recommend a good task to get started?

Welcome to Fedora, and especially the Java community here. Things are pretty 
quiet here. But we also have a few bottlenecks. Maybe one of the maintainers 
will get in touch.  I myself have been planning to create a Fedora TomEE 
package and maybe reactivate Wildfly. We actually need rpm packages for Fedora 
Server, as we can't use other projects' binary packages. But that would be 
something new. Anyway, I would be very happy if we could start a cooperation. 


Best
Peter


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Re: Installing Forgejo from the Fedora repository doesn't end with a working instance – at least for me

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> Am 09.03.2025 um 00:44 schrieb Chris Adams :
> 
> Once upon a time, Peter Boy Uni  said:
>> We have a Forgejo rpm in the Fedora f41 repository, version 10 for x86_64. A 
>> aarch64 variant is currently missing (there is, however, a version 9 in 
>> COPR).
> 
> As far as I can tell, that's not true.  I'm not sure where you found it,
> but there's no Forgejo RPMs in the standard Fedora repos, just the
> python API client library (python-pyforgejo).

You are right. I removed the COPR forgejo repo from /etc/yum.d but missed that 
the forgejo rpm was still there. So a ‚dnf search forgejo‘ still found it. And 
I happily assumed it was in the Fedora repo.


> There appear to be a number of COPR repos with Forgejo, looks like most
> have expected setup steps on the COPR page for it.  If that's where you
> got it, you should probably start with what the packager says there.

Yes, the mdwalters:forgejo seemed to me to be the most advanced version, 
measured by the number of downloads and the documentation. But it's probably 
not. 


Thanks
Peter



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Installing Forgejo from the Fedora repository doesn't end with a working instance – at least for me

[Peter Boy Uni]

We have a Forgejo rpm in the Fedora f41 repository, version 10 for x86_64. A 
aarch64 variant is currently missing (there is, however, a version 9 in COPR). 

I tried to install it on my Fedora Server test instance to check how it goes. 
The rpm doesn’t create a working directory, e.g. /var/lib/forgejo, nor a 
configuration directory and config file, e.g. /etc/forgejo/app.ini. And it 
creates a (admin) user git, but no home directory as stated in the passwords 
entry.

A systemctl start forgejo ends with

 Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/forgejo.service; disabled; preset: 
disabled)
Drop-In: /usr/lib/systemd/system/service.d
 └─10-timeout-abort.conf, 50-keep-warm.conf
 Active: activating (auto-restart) (Result: exit-code) since Sat 2025-03-08 
21:43:05 CET; 387ms ago
 Invocation: 54b4c38e9cdb46ac8860b0ab5562ffb7
Process: 18368 ExecStart=/usr/local/bin/forgejo web --config 
/etc/forgejo/app.ini (code=exited, status=203/EXEC)
   Main PID: 18368 (code=exited, status=203/EXEC)

In journal I found:

Mar 08 21:44:46 cbox.fritz.box systemd[1]: forgejo.service: Scheduled restart 
job, restart counter is at 47.
Mar 08 21:44:46 cbox.fritz.box systemd[1]: Started forgejo.service - Forgejo 
(Beyond coding. We forge.).
Mar 08 21:44:46 cbox.fritz.box (forgejo)[18467]: forgejo.service: Unable to 
locate executable '/usr/local/bin/forgejo': No such file or directory>
Mar 08 21:44:46 cbox.fritz.box (forgejo)[18467]: forgejo.service: Failed at 
step EXEC spawning /usr/local/bin/forgejo: No such file or  directory>
Mar 08 21:44:46 cbox.fritz.box systemd[1]: forgejo.service: Main process 
exited, code=exited, status=203/EXEC
Mar 08 21:44:46 cbox.fritz.box systemd[1]: forgejo.service: Failed with result 
'exit-code'. directory


Indeed, there is no forgejo in /usr/local/bin but in /usr/bin.

When I, as an unprivileged user, launch forgejo directly, it starts with a 
workpath for repos from /usr/bin – rather suboptimal.



Is this the intended result of the rpm installation? I also couldn't find any 
information about what an admin might have to do after the installation. 

Any help or information greatly appreciated.



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Re: F43 change Proposal: Disabling support of building OpenSSL engines (system-wide)

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> Am 25.02.2025 um 09:09 schrieb Alexander Bokovoy :
>> ...
>> == Detailed Description ==
>> We are going to build OpenSSL without engine support. Engines are not
>> FIPS compatible and corresponding API is deprecated since OpenSSL 3.0.
>> The engine functionality we are aware of (PKCS#11, TPM) is covered by
>> providers. The package necessary to build engines
>> (openssl-devel-engine) is already declared as deprecated and will be
>> removed. For the applications that still unconditionally refer to
>> openssl/engine.h we will provide a dummy engine.h file
> 
> The side effect is that FreeIPA will lose support for DNSSEC until we
> are able to migrate to bind 9.19+ for bind-dyndb-ldap.
> 
> ... In Fedora, however,
> this means we'd have to disable DNSSEC completely, even for existing
> deployments.

From the point of view of the Fedora Server Edition Working Group, this is a 
no-go!



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