Package Review Stats for last week ending 8th Aug

2010-08-09 Thread Rakesh Pandit
Top two FAS account holders who have completed reviewing "Package
review" components on bugzilla for last week ending 8th August were
Stanislav Ochotnicky and Mamoru Tasaka.

Stanislav Ochotnicky : 5

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=615869  felix-shell
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=616250  geronimo-ejb
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=617942  geronimo-saaj
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=617943  geronimo-jaxrpc
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=612998  PyPAM


Mamoru Tasaka : 3

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=619257  rubygem-stomp
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=621242  gyp
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=619383  
gsettings-desktop-schemas


Adam Miller : 2

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=619518  
aajohan-comfortaa-fonts
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=583531  mozilla-firetray


Marcela Mašláňová : 2

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=619332  
perl-MooseX-Types-VariantTable
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=620875  wmfrog


Miroslav Suchý : 2

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=620826  python-icalendar
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=621194  
python-webdav-library


Peter Robinson : 2

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=467324  
mingw32-portablexdr
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=608069  tango


Radek Novacek : 2

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=619012  cagibi
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=620432  
laughlin-kde-theme


Manuel Wolfshant : 2

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=620042  dvdbackup
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=620166  python-Chaco


MERCIER Jonathan : 1

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=610794  
meego-panel-zones


Darryl L. Pierce : 1

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=620738  snoopy


David Woodhouse : 1

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=620752  
update-ca-certificates


Hicham Haouari : 1

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=619462  tyrion


Iain Arnell : 1

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=620794  
perl-PPIx-Utilities


Lubomir Rintel : 1

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=620168  tigase-utils


Martin Gieseking : 1

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=566405  nmbscan


Howard Ning : 1

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=618137  
python-TraitsBackendWX


Michal Schmidt : 1

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=618985  swift


Mark Rader : 1

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=619831  ltl2ba


Parag AN(पराग) : 1

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=603245  python-zmq


Petr Pisar : 1

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=621037  
perl-MooseX-MultiMethods


Randall "Randy" Berry : 1

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=616177  eazykeyboard


Robert Spanton : 1

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=610980  mspdebug


Ankur Sinha : 1

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=612719  recoll


Sebastian Dziallas : 1

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=620260  mutter-meego


Silas Sewell : 1

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=609169  chatzilla


Steve Traylen : 1

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=620862  
python-newt_syrup


Chen Lei : 1

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=607015  python-hcs_utils


Tom "spot" Callaway : 1

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=618451  gdb-heap



Total reviews modified: 40
Merge Reviews: 0
Review Requests: 40

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Re: Some questions about on Fedora

2010-08-09 Thread Chen Lei
2010/8/8 Remi Collet :
> Le 08/08/2010 10:28, Chen Lei a écrit :
>> I can help to review mysql-connector-c and Silvercity, howerver we may
>> need a approve from FESCo for bundling scintilla in silvercity.
>
> I don't plan to package silvercity,
> but rather keep both (scintilla + silvercity) bundled in MW.
>
> +
>
It seems silvercity is packaged in many distributions, e.g. gentoo
freebsd mandriva PLD. Is the bundled silvercity heavily changed?

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Re: git branch help?

2010-08-09 Thread Andreas Schwab
"Richard W.M. Jones"  writes:

> I didn't know git could do this, but it sounds useful for other
> (non-fedpkg) things.  Can you explain how, or where to start looking?

Look for git-new-workdir, it is in the contrib directory of the git
sources.

Andreas.

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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] orphaned packages in F-14

2010-08-09 Thread Benny Amorsen
Adam Williamson  writes:

> PA uses a more correct but more CPU-intensive resampling method than
> ALSA by default. On very slow systems it's a good idea to
> edit /etc/pulse/daemon.conf and change the 'resample-method' parameter.

Back when I had a slow enough machine to care (A Sempron 2600+ I
believe, about a year ago), it was not the resampling which caused
performance problems. Changing resample-method did not appreciably
change CPU usage. On even slightly faster systems the CPU usage is very
low and then resample-method does make a difference -- but why pick
something worse when pulseaudio is already in the low single digits?

The Sempron machine is dead now and I do not have anything else slow
enough anymore.


/Benny

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2010-08-09 Thread Rawhide Report
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Re: git branch help?

2010-08-09 Thread Karel Zak
On Sat, Aug 07, 2010 at 04:49:50PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 03, 2010 at 12:39:02AM -0700, Matt McCutchen wrote:
> > On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 09:12 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> > > But I guess git 
> > > will be storing a lot of redundant stuff and forcing extra pulls if you 
> > > work 
> > > that way. :-(
> > 
> > It looks like the current implementation of "fedpkg clone -B" creates
> > independent repositories that don't share anything except the initially
> > downloaded pack.  Changing to multiple working directories hanging off a
> > single repository would solve the problems you mentioned.  Someone could
> > file a RFE.
> 
> I didn't know git could do this, but it sounds useful for other
> (non-fedpkg) things.  Can you explain how, or where to start looking?

 man "git clone", option --shared ?

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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] orphaned packages in F-14

2010-08-09 Thread Radek Vokál
On 08/05/2010 10:13 AM, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote:
> Excerpts from Chen Lei's message of Thu Aug 05 09:10:25 +0200 2010:
>> It seems a lot of java packages will be orphaned, should we contact
>> JAVA-SIG and maven2/eclipse/intellij-idea maintainers?
>
> Unfortunately there is no JAVA-SIG though I was thinking about starting
> one. There has been some effort ~2 years ago but AFAIK it didn't go
> anywhere. See
> http://www.spinics.net/linux/fedora/fedora-devel-java/msg02546.html

Ja sem pro, stejne jako PERL SIG


>
> I'll be unavailable for two weeks now, but after I get back I
> plan to look into it more seriously...
>
> But for now I am at least letting fedora-java ML know about this (in a
> few minutes)
>
> Oh and taking these (most have co-maintainers, but more would be REALLY
> REALLY welcome):
>
>> Unblocked orphan checkstyle
>> Unblocked orphan junit
>> Unblocked orphan maven-doxia
>> Unblocked orphan maven-jxr
>> Unblocked orphan maven-surefire
>> Unblocked orphan velocity
>

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Re: Non-responsive maintainer: Deji Akingunola

2010-08-09 Thread Deji Akingunola
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Robert Scheck  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> as per non-responsive maintainer policy at
>
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers
>
> I have filed:
>
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=600992
>
> Does somebody know how to contact Deji Akingunola? I've been unsuccessful
> via e-mail and Red Hat Bugzilla so far. And it seems he isn't around in the
> IRC.
>
While the truth is you never contacted me by email, and you went ahead
threatening me with AWOL policy and orphaning all my packages just 2
weeks after filing a bug for package upgrade on EPEL 4.
I will get to the bug when I have the time.

>And it seems he isn't around in the
> IRC.
>
I don't use IRC.


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fedpkg local redefines %fedora macro

2010-08-09 Thread Petr Pisar
Hello,

while working on `nas' package I found `fedpkg local' redefines
`fedora' macro to value `1'. Dist-cvs `make local' does not do that.
Original source for %fedora is /etc/rpm/macros.dist. See the strace:

$ strace -fqv -eexecve fedpkg local
[...]
execve("/bin/rpm", ["rpm", "--define", "_sourcedir
/home/petr/fedora/nas", "--define", "_specdir /home/petr/fedora/nas",
"--define", "_builddir /home/petr/fedora/nas", "--define", "_srcrpmdir
/home/petr/fedora/nas", "--define", "_rpmdir /home/petr/fedora/nas",
"--define", "dist .fc15", "--define", "fedora 15", "--define", "fedora
1", "-q", "--qf", "%{VERSION} ", "--specfile",
"/home/petr/fedora/nas/nas.spec"],...)

You can check it with this simple spec file:

%if 0%{?fedora} > 8
echo TRUE %{?fedora}
%else
echo FALSE %{?fedora}
%endif

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Re: Intel 82Q35 / framebuffer problem

2010-08-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 23:12 +0200, Jos Vos wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 06, 2010 at 04:41:33PM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
> 
> > This is almost certainly the root of the problem.  We don't try to set
> > up SDVO devices if they're not listed in the VBT, but not having a VBT
> > means nothing's gonna be listed.  We'll need the output from:
> > 
> > # dd if=/dev/mem of=/tmp/rom bs=64k skip=12 count=1
> 
> Should I attach it to the bug?  In what format?

Preferably as a series of bytes.

(To be clear, the output from that command is the resulting /tmp/rom
file, not the "1+0 records in/out" message on stdout.)

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F-14 Branched report: 20100809 changes

2010-08-09 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Mon Aug  9 13:15:17 UTC 2010

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evolution-couchdb-0.4.92-1.fc14.x86_64 requires 
libcamel-1.2.so.17()(64bit)
evolution-couchdb-0.4.92-1.fc14.x86_64 requires 
libgtkhtml-editor.so.0()(64bit)
evolution-couchdb-0.4.92-1.fc14.x86_64 requires 
libebook-1.2.so.9()(64bit)
evolution-couchdb-0.4.92-1.fc14.x86_64 requires 
libcamel-provider-1.2.so.17()(64bit)
evolution-sharp-0.21.1-7.fc14.x86_64 requires libebook-1.2.so.9()(64bit)
evolution-sharp-0.21.1-7.fc14.x86_64 requires libecal-1.2.so.7()(64bit)
fmt-ptrn-java-1.3.20-5.fc13.i686 requires libgcj.so.10
fmt-ptrn-java-1.3.20-5.fc13.x86_64 requires libgcj.so.10()(64bit)
frysk-0.4-26.fc14.x86_64 requires libgcj.so.10()(64bit)
frysk-devel-0.4-26.fc14.i386 requires libgcj.so.10
frysk-devel-0.4-26.fc14.x86_64 requires libgcj.so.10()(64bit)
frysk-gnome-0.4-26.fc14.x86_64 requires libgcj.so.10()(64bit)
fuse-encfs-1.5-12.fc14.i686 requires libboost_filesystem-mt.so.1.41.0
fuse-encfs-1.5-12.fc14.i686 requires libboost_serialization-mt.so.1.41.0
fuse-encfs-1.5-12.fc14.x86_64 requires 
libboost_filesystem-mt.so.1.41.0()(64bit)
fuse-encfs-1.5-12.fc14.x86_64 requires 
libboost_serialization-mt.so.1.41.0()(64bit)
fusecompress-2.6-6.20100223git754bc0de.fc14.x86_64 requires 
libboost_filesystem-mt.so.1.41.0()(64bit)
fusecompress-2.6-6.20100223git754bc0de.fc14.x86_64 requires 
libboost_system-mt.so.1.41.0()(64bit)
fusecompress-2.6-6.20100223git754bc0de.fc14.x86_64 requires 
libboost_program_options-mt.so.1.41.0()(64bit)
fusecompress-2.6-6.

Upcoming Fedora 14 Tasks

2010-08-09 Thread John Poelstra
Start   End Name
Wed 11-Aug  Wed 11-Aug  Fedora 14 Alpha Go/No-Go Meeting (17:00 EST)
Thu 12-Aug  Thu 12-Aug  Fedora 14 Alpha Release Readiness Meeting
Thu 12-Aug  Thu 12-Aug  Start Stage & Sync Alpha to Mirrors
Thu 12-Aug  Tue 17-Aug  Stage & Sync Alpha to Mirrors
Fri 13-Aug  Fri 13-Aug  Alpha Export Control Reporting
Tue 17-Aug  Tue 17-Aug  Alpha Public Availability
Wed 18-Aug  Fri 20-Aug  Build F-14 collection packages for all language 
translators
Thu 19-Aug  Thu 19-Aug  File All Release Engineering Tickets for Fedora 
14 Beta
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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] orphaned packages in F-14

2010-08-09 Thread Bill Nottingham
Petr Pisar (ppi...@redhat.com) said: 
> > I suggest that these be just built without NAS support. NAS is basically an 
> > older competitor to PulseAudio with fewer features (it focuses on network 
> > transparency, which is just one of the things PulseAudio does), it is not 
> > compatible with PulseAudio, few to no people use it.
> >
> I agree NAS is very old audio system, but it has history. It works (or
> should work) across operating systems (do not think only about Linux).
> In addition it supports bidirectional sound transmission (from
> microphone).
> 
> PulseAudio is interresting project, but it's absolutely unusable on old
> slow hardware. Last time I checked it out on Pentium TSC (no MMX)
> running at 200 MHz, it consumed 20 % of CPU just in idle mode. While
> `playing', it congested CPU, printed some warnings about stream buffer
> overflow and terminated gracefully complaining about no CPU cycles. NAS
> or Esound work on the machine fluently.

Given that that's not the hardware target we're looking at in Fedora,
perhaps some effort could be spent in determining where the performance
issues lie in PA in an effort to fix the experience for everyone, rather than
maintaining parallel implementations that provide little benefit to the
userbase as a whole?

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Re: feature freeze?

2010-08-09 Thread Peter Czanik
Hello,

On 08/06/2010 01:42 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Peter Czanik wrote:
>> While I guess, it's too late now to make a switch now, here is some good
>> news:
>> http://bazsi.blogs.balabit.com/2010/07/syslog-ng-contributions-
> redefined.html
>> Dual licensing will be gone with the upcoming syslog-ng v3.2.
>
> Nothing has really changed for practical purposes. There's still a
> non-Free
> "Premium Edition" with added features and a crippleware "Open Source
> Edition". The only thing which has changed is the way the non-Free
> features
> are delivered (as plugins instead of relicensing the whole thing). This
> doesn't resolve the complaint that upstream will be unwilling to add
> features which are specific to the non-Free edition.
>
> Crippleware "OSE"s suck. Fedora should not encourage this practice.
OSE is nothing near to being a crippleware. Most features arrive
simultaneously to OSE and PE (like support for the new syslog spec,
etc.) or appear in PE first and then migrated quickly to OSE (like SSL
and database support). Automatic testing of PE also helped to fix more
bugs in OSE than the community ever did. So the time and energy spent on
PE automagically helps to improve the OSE too.

A more detailed blog entry about the OSE vs. PE question is available at
http://bazsi.blogs.balabit.com/2010/08/lwn-syslog-ng-rotten-to-open-core.html

And for those, who are more interested in technical details than
licensing, here is a list of what's new in syslog-ng OSE v3.2 alpha2:
http://bazsi.blogs.balabit.com/2010/08/lwn-syslog-ng-rotten-to-open-core.html

Bye,
CzP / from syslog-ng upstream...

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[389-devel] Please review: [Bug 621928] Unable to enable replica (rdn problem?) on 1.2.6 rc6

2010-08-09 Thread Noriko Hosoi
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=621928

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=437670&action=diff

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=437670&action=edit

Description: RUV (nsuniqueid=---,)
needs to be allowed to add to the DB before  is added.  To allow
it, entryrdn prepares the rdn exception list (rdn_exceptions).  If the
to-be-added entry (in this case RUV; and currently only RUV is in the
list) is in the list,  is added to the entryrdn index with the
temporary entry ID 0 (note: not to the primary db file id2entry.db#).
When the suffix is indeed added to the DB, the temporary ID 0 is replaced
with the given real ID.

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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] orphaned packages in F-14

2010-08-09 Thread pbrobin...@gmail.com
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Bill Nottingham  wrote:
> Petr Pisar (ppi...@redhat.com) said:
>> > I suggest that these be just built without NAS support. NAS is basically an
>> > older competitor to PulseAudio with fewer features (it focuses on network
>> > transparency, which is just one of the things PulseAudio does), it is not
>> > compatible with PulseAudio, few to no people use it.
>> >
>> I agree NAS is very old audio system, but it has history. It works (or
>> should work) across operating systems (do not think only about Linux).
>> In addition it supports bidirectional sound transmission (from
>> microphone).
>>
>> PulseAudio is interresting project, but it's absolutely unusable on old
>> slow hardware. Last time I checked it out on Pentium TSC (no MMX)
>> running at 200 MHz, it consumed 20 % of CPU just in idle mode. While
>> `playing', it congested CPU, printed some warnings about stream buffer
>> overflow and terminated gracefully complaining about no CPU cycles. NAS
>> or Esound work on the machine fluently.
>
> Given that that's not the hardware target we're looking at in Fedora,
> perhaps some effort could be spent in determining where the performance
> issues lie in PA in an effort to fix the experience for everyone, rather than
> maintaining parallel implementations that provide little benefit to the
> userbase as a whole?

While the XO-1 is a comparitatively relative higher HW spec (433 mhz
from memory, so not massive but still double) it might be a worthwhile
canditdate as there's quite a few of them around the community for
testing, its not overly powerful and sees similar issues as well.

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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] orphaned packages in F-14

2010-08-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 11:21 +0100, pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 2:04 AM, Adam Williamson  wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 10:46 +, Petr Pisar wrote:
> >
> >> PulseAudio is interresting project, but it's absolutely unusable on old
> >> slow hardware. Last time I checked it out on Pentium TSC (no MMX)
> >> running at 200 MHz, it consumed 20 % of CPU just in idle mode. While
> >> `playing', it congested CPU, printed some warnings about stream buffer
> >> overflow and terminated gracefully complaining about no CPU cycles. NAS
> >> or Esound work on the machine fluently.
> >
> > PA uses a more correct but more CPU-intensive resampling method than
> > ALSA by default. On very slow systems it's a good idea to
> > edit /etc/pulse/daemon.conf and change the 'resample-method' parameter.
> 
> Is there a recommended value for slow machines or a way to tell PA
> just to use the HW?

Depends how slow is slow :). As Paul said, 'trivial' is the cheapest
method (but this will *definitely* lead to quite obvious audible
artifacts in certain cases; if you're lucky, you may happen never to
play any affected audio). On my Vaio P, which has a very slow Atom CPU,
I use speex-float-0 , which doesn't seem to cause any audible problems
for me and gets the CPU usage down enough that playing back high def
video doesn't max it out.
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fedpkg cannot talk to koji

2010-08-09 Thread Orion Poplawski
I'm getting:

$ fedpkg -v build
Creating module object from /export/home/orion/fedora/cmake/f13
Initiating a koji session to http://koji.fedoraproject.org/kojihub
Could not log into koji: Opening a SSL connection failed

fedora-packager-0.5.1.0-1.fc13.noarch

I've re-run fedora-packager-setup a couple times.

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Re: Integrity protection of fetches

2010-08-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2010-08-08 at 11:34 -0700, Matt McCutchen wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 11:29 -0500, Steve Bonneville wrote:
> > i.g...@comcast.net wrote:
> > > Ideally (from this perspective), the host would validate the response 
> > > itself.
> > 
> > Exactly, if sshd is sufficiently paranoid it should make a query with
> > CD set in the request and do all the validation client-side.  If you let 
> > your nameserver do the validation, I think it's still possible to MITM 
> > this by messing with the communication between the stub resolver and the 
> > name server, which isn't secured.
> 
> Not to mention that one has to trust one's own nameserver, which is a
> bad idea when using a public wireless access point.  In order to achieve

I believe that can be simplified to 'using a public wireless access
point is a bad idea' =)
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Re: Non-responsive maintainer: Deji Akingunola

2010-08-09 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Montag, den 09.08.2010, 09:46 -0400 schrieb Deji Akingunola:

> While the truth is you never contacted me by email, and you went ahead
> threatening me with AWOL policy and orphaning all my packages just 2
> weeks after filing a bug for package upgrade on EPEL 4.

The truth is that the bug 600992 was opened June 6th, this is way more
than 2 weeks. 2 weeks is just the normal time span from one step of the
AWOL policy to the next.

> I will get to the bug when I have the time.

Nobody says that you need to update the package within 2 weeks, but you
should at least respond to the bug as you have been doing now. Writing a
sentence like this one isn't that hard, is it?

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Re: fedpkg cannot talk to koji

2010-08-09 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 08/09/2010 01:07 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote:
> I'm getting:
>
> $ fedpkg -v build
> Creating module object from /export/home/orion/fedora/cmake/f13
> Initiating a koji session to http://koji.fedoraproject.org/kojihub
> Could not log into koji: Opening a SSL connection failed
>
> fedora-packager-0.5.1.0-1.fc13.noarch
>
> I've re-run fedora-packager-setup a couple times.
>

Had to delete ~/.fedora.cert and then run fedora-packager-setup.

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Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2010-08-10)

2010-08-09 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo
meeting tomorrow at 19:30UTC (3:30pm EDT) in #fedora-meeting on
irc.freenode.net.

= Followups = 

#topic #351 Create a policy for updates - status report on implementation
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/351

#topic #382 Implementing Stable Release Vision
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/382

= New business = 

#topic #448 Disallow packages whose primary owner is group.
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/448

= Fedora Engineering Services tickets = 

https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-engineering-services/report/6

= Open Floor = 

For more complete details, please visit each individual ticket.  The
report of the agenda items can be found at
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9

If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to
this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco,
e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during
the open floor topic. 

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Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2010-08-10)

2010-08-09 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo
> meeting tomorrow at 19:30UTC (3:30pm EDT) in #fedora-meeting on
> irc.freenode.net.
>
> = Followups =
>
> #topic #351 Create a policy for updates - status report on implementation
> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/351
>
> #topic #382 Implementing Stable Release Vision
> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/382
>

Hello, could you provide a more detailed status of the above 2 topics
after the next meeting?
The following report was from last week and it is not very informative:


On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> ===
> #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2010-08-03)
> ===
>
> Meeting started by nirik at 19:30:02 UTC. The full logs are available at
> http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-08-03/fesco.2010-08-03-19.30.log.html
>
> Meeting summary
> ---
> * init process  (nirik, 19:30:02)
>
> * #351 Create a policy for updates - status report on implementation
>  (nirik, 19:32:10)
>
> * #382 Implementing Stable Release Vision  (nirik, 19:38:07)
>

There has been a very long debate here in this mailing list, and yet
we don't know what is going on.

We have seen a lot of confusion during the python-2.7 rebuilds. People
were thinking they should submit their rebuilds to the testing repo on
F-14 instead of the stable repo, although the stable repo contains a
useless version of their package with broken dependencies. Some
clarification is needed.

Thanks,

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Re: fedpkg local redefines %fedora macro

2010-08-09 Thread Kyle VanderBeek
That would certainly explain all the problems I've been having getting
python3 packages built with "fedpkg local".  All of my "%if
0%{?fedora} > 12" lines would blow up.

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 6:54 AM, Petr Pisar  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> while working on `nas' package I found `fedpkg local' redefines
> `fedora' macro to value `1'. Dist-cvs `make local' does not do that.
> Original source for %fedora is /etc/rpm/macros.dist. See the strace:
>
> $ strace -fqv -eexecve fedpkg local
> [...]
> execve("/bin/rpm", ["rpm", "--define", "_sourcedir
> /home/petr/fedora/nas", "--define", "_specdir /home/petr/fedora/nas",
> "--define", "_builddir /home/petr/fedora/nas", "--define", "_srcrpmdir
> /home/petr/fedora/nas", "--define", "_rpmdir /home/petr/fedora/nas",
> "--define", "dist .fc15", "--define", "fedora 15", "--define", "fedora
> 1", "-q", "--qf", "%{VERSION} ", "--specfile",
> "/home/petr/fedora/nas/nas.spec"],...)
>
> You can check it with this simple spec file:
>
> %if 0%{?fedora} > 8
>    echo TRUE %{?fedora}
> %else
>    echo FALSE %{?fedora}
> %endif
>
> -- Petr
>
>
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Re: fedpkg local redefines %fedora macro

2010-08-09 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Monday, August 09, 2010 04:27:31 pm Kyle VanderBeek wrote:
> That would
certainly explain all the problems I've been having getting
> python3
packages built with "fedpkg local".  All of my "%if
> 0%{?fedora} > 12"
lines would blow up.
> 
> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 6:54 AM, Petr Pisar
 wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > while working on `nas'
package I found `fedpkg local' redefines
> > `fedora' macro to value `1'.
Dist-cvs `make local' does not do that.
> > Original source for %fedora is
/etc/rpm/macros.dist. See the strace:
> > 
> > $ strace -fqv -eexecve fedpkg
local
> > [...]
> > execve("/bin/rpm", ["rpm", "--define", "_sourcedir
> >
/home/petr/fedora/nas", "--define", "_specdir /home/petr/fedora/nas",
> >
"--define", "_builddir /home/petr/fedora/nas", "--define", "_srcrpmdir
> >
/home/petr/fedora/nas", "--define", "_rpmdir /home/petr/fedora/nas",
> >
"--define", "dist .fc15", "--define", "fedora 15", "--define", "fedora
> >
1", "-q", "--qf", "%{VERSION} ", "--specfile",
> >
"/home/petr/fedora/nas/nas.spec"],...)
> > 
> > You can check it with this
simple spec file:
> > 
> > %if 0%{?fedora} > 8
> >echo TRUE %{?fedora}
>
> %else
> >echo FALSE %{?fedora}
> > %endif
> > 
> > -- Petr
> > 
The
latest build in koji does the right thing. I need to push it out as an
update

Dennis


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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] orphaned packages in F-14

2010-08-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
> While the XO-1 is a comparitatively relative higher HW spec (433 mhz
> from memory, so not massive but still double) it might be a worthwhile
> canditdate as there's quite a few of them around the community for
> testing, its not overly powerful and sees similar issues as well.

The N900 also uses PulseAudio (though not on Fedora).

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Re: Non-responsive maintainer: Deji Akingunola

2010-08-09 Thread Robert Scheck
Hello Deji,

On Mon, 09 Aug 2010, Deji Akingunola wrote:
> While the truth is you never contacted me by email, and you went ahead
> threatening me with AWOL policy and orphaning all my packages just 2
> weeks after filing a bug for package upgrade on EPEL 4.

thank you very much for your reply. In fact, I sent you an e-mail - and I'm
really sorry for starting AWOL policy, if my e-mail wasn't received by you.

> I will get to the bug when I have the time.

Thanks. If you should need a co-maintainer for CLucene, just let me know.


Greetings,
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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] orphaned packages in F-14

2010-08-09 Thread pbrobin...@gmail.com
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
>> While the XO-1 is a comparitatively relative higher HW spec (433 mhz
>> from memory, so not massive but still double) it might be a worthwhile
>> canditdate as there's quite a few of them around the community for
>> testing, its not overly powerful and sees similar issues as well.
>
> The N900 also uses PulseAudio (though not on Fedora).

Yes, so it seems. It has a lot of config options set in
/etc/pulse/daemon.conf but then it seems we don't. Something that I'll
add to my list to look at.

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Re: feature freeze?

2010-08-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Peter Czanik wrote:
> OSE is nothing near to being a crippleware. Most features arrive
> simultaneously to OSE and PE (like support for the new syslog spec,
> etc.) or appear in PE first and then migrated quickly to OSE (like SSL
> and database support). Automatic testing of PE also helped to fix more
> bugs in OSE than the community ever did. So the time and energy spent on
> PE automagically helps to improve the OSE too.

I completely understand why you want to defend your project and why you 
think your way of doing it is different. The thing is, most if not all of 
the people who do "Open Core" crippleware try to justify themselves that 
way. (It's always THEIR project which is alleged to be completely different 
from all the others.) But the facts speak clear: you (the company you work 
for) sell a proprietary edition which intentionally has more features than 
the Free one, ergo the Free one is deliberately crippled.

Even if the features eventually show up in the Free edition, that still 
means people are getting them later than they could. The normal way to 
develop features in established Free Software projects is to develop them in 
public, in the development tree (which is also Free Software, obviously), 
using what is often called the "Open Source Development Model". In fact, 
several people in the Open Source camp defend Open Source / Free Software 
specifically BECAUSE it allows that kind of development model. Compared to 
such a model, yours means having to wait much longer for the features, and 
being clearly pressured into buying the proprietary version, giving up the 
freedoms that come with Free Software.

(As you can see, I'm familiar with both the Free Software and the Open 
Source view of things. Your approach satisfies neither.)

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Re: git branch help?

2010-08-09 Thread Robert Relyea
On 08/02/2010 06:06 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Jesse Keating wrote:
>   
>> Here is where you should have done a fedpkg or git push
>> 
> [snip]
>   
>> There is nothing to commit, since all the changes are already committed.
>> 
> The joys of DVCSes. People are NOT used to commit and push being different 
> operations. Git is highly confusing to people who aren't git experts.
>
>   
>> Somebody has changed master since you last touched it, and you had
>> changes on your local master that are out of sync now.  First, you
>> should do:
>>
>> git config --add --global push.default tracking
>>
>> This will make git push only attempt to push to the branch you are
>> tracking.  Then you can git push your f13 changes.  git checkout master
>> to get back to master and do a git pull --rebase to pull in the latest
>> upstream changes and re-play your unpushed changes on top of it.  Then
>> git log to see what has happened, push if necessary.
>> 
> Huh? Can it get any more complicated? 
>   
Ingoring the tone, I had some of the same thoughts.

This is a pretty basic operation, in good old broken CVS it was a single
command, there must be an easier way to make git do this, or at least as
a script in fedpkg that does this operation.

I'm not for going back, the list of basic operations that CVS supported
were finite, I would be highly surprised if git couldn't support those
operations. We just need the bits to get the non-git fedora users over
the hump.

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F14 update pushes

2010-08-09 Thread Orion Poplawski
Are updates getting pushed for F14?

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/lyx-2.0.0-0.6.alpha5.fc14?_csrf_token=3478f09b5daca6a8e92441cd1f8a07e7aed3a668

was submitted on the 5th.

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Re: Integrity protection of fetches

2010-08-09 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Mon, 2010-08-09 at 12:11 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-08-08 at 11:34 -0700, Matt McCutchen wrote:
> > On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 11:29 -0500, Steve Bonneville wrote:
> > > i.g...@comcast.net wrote:
> > > > Ideally (from this perspective), the host would validate the response 
> > > > itself.
> > > 
> > > Exactly, if sshd is sufficiently paranoid it should make a query with
> > > CD set in the request and do all the validation client-side.  If you let 
> > > your nameserver do the validation, I think it's still possible to MITM 
> > > this by messing with the communication between the stub resolver and the 
> > > name server, which isn't secured.
> > 
> > Not to mention that one has to trust one's own nameserver, which is a
> > bad idea when using a public wireless access point.  In order to achieve
> 
> I believe that can be simplified to 'using a public wireless access
> point is a bad idea' =)

No, it just means that everything is untrustworthy until proven
otherwise.  If you use SSL or equivalent, you're fine.

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Re: boot.fedoraproject.org

2010-08-09 Thread Jon Stanley
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Frank Murphy  wrote:

> send an email to: ad...@fedoraproject.org
> Subject: BFO
>
> The right people will get back to you.

Simply because one of the people that tends BFO is in sysadmin-main
(the people who receive ad...@fp.o) does not make it a proper support
mechanism. You should use ad...@fp.o for things that are security
sensitive that should remain confidential to a small group.

The proper place to discuss would be
infrastruct...@lists.fedoraproject.org. BFO is essentially BKO, and
all of the custom stuff is in the infrastructure git repo, which can
be found at git://git.fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure.
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Re: F14 update pushes

2010-08-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-08-09 at 19:35 -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote:
> Are updates getting pushed for F14?
> 
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/lyx-2.0.0-0.6.alpha5.fc14?_csrf_token=3478f09b5daca6a8e92441cd1f8a07e7aed3a668
> 
> was submitted on the 5th.

Not while we're trying to spin the Alpha, no. As usual around
pre-release dates, only very important updates (mostly release critical)
are being pushed to stable.

releng have actually not been pushing to -testing either, although for
f13 cycle we let -testing pushes happen unimpeded throughout the cycle
and we should probably do the same for f14 - jesse has been away, and
those who are doing the pushes at present weren't aware until today that
we usually keep the -testing pushes going.
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Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2010-08-10)

2010-08-09 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 17:12:20 -0400
Orcan Ogetbil  wrote:

> Hello, could you provide a more detailed status of the above 2 topics
> after the next meeting?
> The following report was from last week and it is not very
> informative:
...snip...
> There has been a very long debate here in this mailing list, and yet
> we don't know what is going on.

Sure. Lets take them one at a time: 

> #topic #351 Create a policy for updates - status report on implementation
> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/351

This is checking on the implementation of: 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_update_acceptance_criteria

Much of it's in place, but there are still a few parts lacking. 
Namely: AutoQA, and the 'other updates' section one week in testing part. 
Also, there still seems to be some work that needs to happen in bodhi 
in other parts as well. 

> #topic #382 Implementing Stable Release Vision
> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/382

This is tracking the implementation of the Board's: 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Stable_release_updates_vision

We have been using: 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Stable_release_updates_vision_implementation_ideas
as an ideas container for work on this. 

There is also an ongoing discussion on the Board list about changing
or clarifying this vision statement: 
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/advisory-board/2010-August/008865.html

> We have seen a lot of confusion during the python-2.7 rebuilds. People
> were thinking they should submit their rebuilds to the testing repo on
> F-14 instead of the stable repo, although the stable repo contains a
> useless version of their package with broken dependencies. Some
> clarification is needed.

For non critical path, you could currently push them to stable, as the
one week in stable thing is not implemented. If they are, they need
some karma, but it should be easy to confirm that they fix the broken
dep and appear to work normally... 

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Re: Some questions about on Fedora

2010-08-09 Thread Remi Collet
Le 09/08/2010 09:38, Chen Lei a écrit :
> It seems silvercity is packaged in many distributions, e.g. gentoo
> freebsd mandriva PLD. 

It fact, RPM I found only provide the python library.

From the upstream README file :

Contributions are welcome for a build system for the standalone
library on UNIX and for bindings to other languages.

> Is the bundled silvercity heavily changed?

I can't find which version is used (0.9.6 or 0.9.7).
And yes there is some changes, mainly "namespace"

So, I think we could keep the bundled version of this very small library.

Any FPC member comment ?

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Re: F14 update pushes

2010-08-09 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:

>
>
> releng have actually not been pushing to -testing either, although for
> f13 cycle we let -testing pushes happen unimpeded throughout the cycle
> and we should probably do the same for f14 - jesse has been away, and
> those who are doing the pushes at present weren't aware until today that
> we usually keep the -testing pushes going.
>

More documentation of the process, perhaps via a SOP is needed then.

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Re: feature freeze?

2010-08-09 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 3:38 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:

> Peter Czanik wrote:
> > OSE is nothing near to being a crippleware. Most features arrive
> > simultaneously to OSE and PE (like support for the new syslog spec,
> > etc.) or appear in PE first and then migrated quickly to OSE (like SSL
> > and database support). Automatic testing of PE also helped to fix more
> > bugs in OSE than the community ever did. So the time and energy spent on
> > PE automagically helps to improve the OSE too.
>
> I completely understand why you want to defend your project and why you
> think your way of doing it is different. The thing is, most if not all of
> the people who do "Open Core" crippleware try to justify themselves that
> way. (It's always THEIR project which is alleged to be completely different
> from all the others.) But the facts speak clear: you (the company you work
> for) sell a proprietary edition which intentionally has more features than
> the Free one, ergo the Free one is deliberately crippled.
>

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They used to have a proprietary edition and demanded copyright control but
now they have moved to a model of proprietary plugins without copyright
control.  Ideally,  we will get everything as Free software but this is a
significant improvement over what was before.  I don't think syslog-ng even
without the proprietary plugins is crippleware.  It is quite useful on its
own but ultimately this debate is obsolete now that all mainstream
distributions led by Fedora have picked up rsyslog as default.

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Evolution - bits missing?

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
Hi,

Post the disaster on my hard drive, I've restarted evolution, but have found
that the menu bar (File, Edit, etc) at the top has vanished. Is this a known
problem and if it isn't, is there a way to get it back there?

TTFN

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Re: boot.fedoraproject.org

2010-08-09 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Jon Stanley  wrote:

> .
>
> The proper place to discuss would be
> infrastruct...@lists.fedoraproject.org. BFO is essentially BKO, and
> all of the custom stuff is in the infrastructure git repo, which can
> be found at git://git.fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure.
>

Would be useful to have a trac or bugzilla component to report bugs to.

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