Re: [dev] Simple made Easy (Rich Hickey at StrangeLoop)
Object orientation is downloading flash to participate in off-topic meta discussions.
Re: [dev] Linux sucks!
"And here are the super fancy slides in OpenOffice format." Stopped here. This guy is not qualified to rant.
Re: [dev] Re: sharpening the suckless philosophy
I guess no wmii guy will take your freedom to delete. But please also remember potential new user's freedoms. I reserve my rights to sue anybody involved in this megafuckup with the help of net neutrality laws. I guess I'll also call RMS and ask him to create a poll or so.
Re: [dev] Linux sucks!
that guy is wrong in so many ways I won't even bother to mention any specifics. Sure, the stuff he mentions is somewhat correlated to the real problems with "spare time open source software", but his interpretations and "solutions", oh my. He doesn't really know what he's talking about. Dieter
Re: [dev] List of tools for a CLI environment
On 26 Oct 2011, at 17:12, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Jimmy Tang wrote:
>> just showed this to a friend of mine and he cooked this up
>>
>> ls ${PATH//:/ }
>
> shit only works in bash
>
oddly it worked in mksh which is the main shell that i tend to use. but yea, it
is a bit of a bashism type thing there. in relation to spaces in a directory
name, well that just sucks doesn't it ;)
Regards,
Jimmy Tang
--
Trinity Centre for High Performance Computing,
Lloyd Building, Trinity College Dublin, Dublin 2, Ireland.
http://www.tchpc.tcd.ie/
Re: [dev] List of tools for a CLI environment
On 10/27/11, Jimmy Tang wrote:
>
> On 26 Oct 2011, at 17:12, Kurt H Maier wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Jimmy Tang wrote:
>>> just showed this to a friend of mine and he cooked this up
>>>
>>> ls ${PATH//:/ }
>>
>> shit only works in bash
>>
>
> oddly it worked in mksh which is the main shell that i tend to use. but yea,
> it is a bit of a bashism type thing there. in relation to spaces in a
> directory name, well that just sucks doesn't it ;)
>
Directory names are a sequence of arbitrary nonzero bytes. Parsing a
concatenation of arbitrary strings sucks. Directories can only be
separated by zero bytes.
Re: [dev] List of tools for a CLI environment
[2011-10-27 09:05] Bjartur Thorlacius > > Directory names are a sequence of arbitrary nonzero bytes. Parsing a > concatenation of arbitrary strings sucks. Directories can only be > separated by zero bytes. That's actually a bug in Unix, discovered too late. meillo
Re: [dev] List of tools for a CLI environment
Bjartur Thorlacius writes:
> On 10/27/11, Jimmy Tang wrote:
>>
>> On 26 Oct 2011, at 17:12, Kurt H Maier wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Jimmy Tang wrote:
just showed this to a friend of mine and he cooked this up
ls ${PATH//:/ }
>>>
>>> shit only works in bash
>>>
>>
>> oddly it worked in mksh which is the main shell that i tend to use. but yea,
>> it is a bit of a bashism type thing there. in relation to spaces in a
>> directory name, well that just sucks doesn't it ;)
>>
> Directory names are a sequence of arbitrary nonzero bytes. Parsing a
> concatenation of arbitrary strings sucks. Directories can only be
> separated by zero bytes.
Well, in a PATH variable, they're always separated by colons.
--
\ Troels
/\ Henriksen
[dev] [dwm] Where is monocle mode in dwm 1.7.1?
I just returned back to dwm after long time and I miss monocle mode. I was searching in mailing list and commit messages, but I couldn't find any mention of monocle mode being stripped out. Also, website of dwm says, there are three modes (tiled, monocle, floating). Did I miss something? mkopta
Re: [dev] [dwm] Where is monocle mode in dwm 1.7.1?
current dwm version is 5.9 try again -- # Kurt H Maier
Re: [dev] [dwm] Where is monocle mode in dwm 1.7.1?
that explains few things.. thank you On 10/27/2011 02:40 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote: current dwm version is 5.9 try again
Re: [dev] Linux sucks!
I watched this last night and raged pretty hard for 45 minutes. The guy has somevalid points, but proposes absolutely no viable solution for it. His pointregarding video editors requiring significant dedicated development time andtheir non-existance for Linux, for instance, is valid. Asking that distrossupport closed source software is non-sensical at best and just plain fucking stupid at worst. He also argues for a "unified package management system". We have this already in the form of the source code, which just further displays that he's an end user whining that he shouldn't have to manage his own system. (He also places the burden of packaging on the developer, which is just inane in my opinion.) Honestly, the guy's a moron. He raises a couple of valid complaints and proposes"solutions" - but his points don't hold enough water and his solutions aresimply absurd. Not enough real content to justify him sitting up in front ofusers for 45 minutes and whining about all of it.
Re: [dev] Linux sucks!
"this video is not available" sucks
Re: [dev] Linux sucks!
You guys are so stupid if you think ./configure is great
Re: [dev] Linux sucks!
On Thu, 2011-10-27 at 16:04 +0200, hiro wrote: > You guys are so stupid if you think ./configure is great > beat me to it
Re: [dev] Linux sucks!
I don't think anyone here actually feels that the monolith that most configure scripts become is a good thing. However, that's not within the scope of what's going on here - the idea being that ./configure is a necessary part of compiling a sizable portion of software. Saying that we need a 'universal package management' solution is absurd when we already have one.
Re: [dev] Linux sucks!
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:02:46 +0200, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote: > "this video is not available" sucks > Don't worry, you're not missing out on anything, besides the guy making a total fool of himself in front of a totally oblivious audience (which is just annoying; no comical value whatsoever). If you're really intent on wasting some time anyway, this works: youtube-dl http://blip.tv/jupiterbroadcasting/why-desktop-linux-sucks-and-what-we-can-do-about-it-2057606 Peace -- Pieter
Re: [dev] Linux sucks!
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:04:21 +0200, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote: > You guys are so stupid if you think ./configure is great > Nobody said anything of the like. Are you projecting or something? ;) Peace -- Pieter
Re: [dev] Linux sucks!
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Bryan Bennett wrote: > I don't think anyone here actually feels that the monolith that most configure > scripts become is a good thing. However, that's not within the scope of what's > going on here - the idea being that ./configure is a necessary part of > compiling > a sizable portion of software. Saying that we need a 'universal package > management' solution is absurd when we already have one. now it sounds like you're saying autoconf is a universal package system, which is just as stupid as the original video -- # Kurt H Maier
Re: [dev] List of tools for a CLI environment
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:36:20 -, markus schnalke wrote: That's actually a bug in Unix, discovered too late. Yeah, and SQL injection attacks are PEBKAC problems. Tokenization by insertion of whitespace into arbitrary strings is plain harmful. The bug in Unix is caused by separating strings by colons. That's why we use rc (*cough*).
Re: [dev] Bugs in dwm
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=662862 On 10/26/11 00:22, Kurt H Maier wrote: On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 4:52 PM, pancake wrote: 1) gtk3 apps when resized by using the corner widget (see gedit for example) got hanged an capture the mouse. Only solution is to go to console and kill it. Else your X got fucked up. This bug only happens in dwm. The other wm work fine this bug only happens in gtk3. other toolkits work fine. gedit also hangs under twm and evilwm on the test vm I just built. should be filed as a bug with gnome.org.
Re: [dev] Linux sucks!
Greetings. On 27.10.2011 02:04, Guilherme Lino wrote: > yo > > fund this.. it kind of old, but it rise some questions > > http://lunduke.com/?p=429 > > how do you feel about this? At least he is able to setup a website. Sincerely, Christoph Lohmann
Re: [dev] Linux sucks!
Am 27.10.2011 17:57, schrieb Christoph Lohmann: Greetings. On 27.10.2011 02:04, Guilherme Lino wrote: yo fund this.. it kind of old, but it rise some questions http://lunduke.com/?p=429 how do you feel about this? At least he is able to setup a website. Sincerely, Christoph Lohmann Yeah wordpress, wow!
[dev] [dmenu] patch - multisel
Hello,
After some discussion in #suckless here is a patch that allows
multiselect in dmenu. Ctrl+enter prints the selected item without
exiting dmenu, and changes its color.
Enjoy,
-emg
diff -r bebcf140b8a9 dmenu.1
--- a/dmenu.1 Wed Oct 26 14:16:12 2011 +0100
+++ b/dmenu.1 Thu Oct 27 12:56:43 2011 -0700
@@ -85,2 +85,5 @@
.TP
+.B Ctrl-Return
+Confirm selection. Prints the selected item to stdout and continues.
+.TP
.B Shift\-Return (Ctrl\-Shift\-j)
diff -r bebcf140b8a9 dmenu.c
--- a/dmenu.c Wed Oct 26 14:16:12 2011 +0100
+++ b/dmenu.c Thu Oct 27 12:56:43 2011 -0700
@@ -24,2 +24,3 @@
Item *left, *right;
+ Bool out;
};
@@ -51,2 +52,4 @@
static const char *selfgcolor = "#ff";
+static const char *outbgcolor = "#00";
+static const char *outfgcolor = "#00";
static unsigned int lines = 0;
@@ -54,2 +57,3 @@
static unsigned long selcol[ColLast];
+static unsigned long outcol[ColLast];
static Atom clip, utf8;
@@ -187,3 +191,4 @@
dc->y += dc->h;
- drawtext(dc, item->text, (item == sel) ? selcol : normcol);
+ drawtext(dc, item->text, (item == sel) ? selcol :
+ (item->out) ? outcol : normcol);
}
@@ -199,3 +204,4 @@
dc->w = MIN(textw(dc, item->text), mw - dc->x - textw(dc, ">"));
- drawtext(dc, item->text, (item == sel) ? selcol : normcol);
+ drawtext(dc, item->text, (item == sel) ? selcol :
+ (item->out) ? outcol : normcol);
}
@@ -280,2 +286,5 @@
return;
+ case XK_Return:
+ case XK_KP_Enter:
+ break;
default:
@@ -352,3 +361,6 @@
puts((sel && !(ev->state & ShiftMask)) ? sel->text : text);
- exit(EXIT_SUCCESS);
+ if(!(ev->state & ControlMask))
+ exit(EXIT_SUCCESS);
+ sel->out = True;
+ break;
case XK_Right:
@@ -468,2 +480,3 @@
eprintf("cannot strdup %u bytes:", strlen(buf)+1);
+ items[i].out = False;
if(strlen(items[i].text) > max)
@@ -519,2 +532,4 @@
selcol[ColFG] = getcolor(dc, selfgcolor);
+ outcol[ColBG] = getcolor(dc, outbgcolor);
+ outcol[ColFG] = getcolor(dc, outfgcolor);
Re: [dev] Linux sucks!
yeah but the true is that a linux desktop is almost useless for a normal person i remember first time i used ubuntu. i started a openoffice presentation on the 4th slide the system was already unusable. And wet back to windows, even google docs was better for the job. of course latex is cool, vim, dwm, but no one out of the professional field of computer sience have the time or patience to learn this unix philosophy.. -- Guilherme Lino
Re: [dev] Linux sucks!
I beg to differ. beamer for my slideshows. ledpar/ledmac for critical editions. (http://www.djdekker.net/) latex for publications. perl for searches (stanford encyclopedia of philosophy) git for collaboration (buridanica.net) antiword to read student papers and i work in the HUMANITIES, baby. Peter On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:33:18PM +0100, Guilherme Lino wrote: > yeah but the true is that a linux desktop is almost useless for a normal > person > > i remember first time i used ubuntu. i started a openoffice presentation on > the 4th slide the system was already unusable. And wet back to windows, even > google docs was better for the job. > > of course latex is cool, vim, dwm, but no one out of the professional field > of computer sience have the time or patience to learn this unix philosophy.. > -- > > > Guilherme Lino -- sic dicit magister P University of Toronto / Fordham University Collins Hall B06; Office Hours TF10-12 http://individual.utoronto.ca/peterjh gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys E0DBD3D6
Re: [dev] Linux sucks!
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Guilherme Lino wrote: > yeah but the true is that a linux desktop is almost useless for a normal > person > i remember first time i used ubuntu. i started a openoffice presentation on > the 4th slide the system was already unusable. And wet back to windows, even > google docs was better for the job. OpenOffice = The Linux Desktop? --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] Linux sucks!
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Guilherme Lino wrote: > > yeah but the true is that a linux desktop is almost useless for a normal > person who the fuck cares about normal people? -- # Kurt H Maier
Re: [dev] Linux sucks!
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:49:15 -0400, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Guilherme Lino wrote: > > > > yeah but the true is that a linux desktop is almost useless for a normal > > person > > who the fuck cares about normal people? +1 > > -- > # Kurt H Maier > Peace -- Pieter
Re: [dev] Linux sucks!
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:33:18 +0100, Guilherme Lino wrote: > yeah but the true is that a linux desktop is almost useless for a normal > person > s/normal/uninformed Also, see Kurt Maier's response [1]. > i remember first time i used ubuntu. i started a openoffice presentation on > the 4th slide the system was already unusable. And wet back to windows, even > google docs was better for the job. > That's because Ubuntu sucks only marginally less than Windows (whilst at the same time adding a learning curve for people unfamiliar with Linux-based operation systems), and is *in no way* representative of "The Linux Desktop". Besides, "The Linux Desktop" is a term coined by "the industry", in an effort to market their Linux-based offering to useless Windows/MacOS-users who'd rather pick their nose than learn something new, let alone make an actual contribution. > of course latex is cool, vim, dwm, but no one out of the professional field > of computer sience have the time or patience to learn this unix philosophy.. Time is what you *make*, e.g. by not wasting it on the useless crap most "normal" people think (and want *you* to believe) is important. Patience is what you have when you know it'll be worth your while (i.e. by saving you time, effort and frustration in the long run). And neither a job nor a formal education (be it in CS or otherwise) are required to "to learn this unix philosophy" [sic]. If you are capable of reading English, you have all you need to go RTFM. > -- > > > Guilherme Lino Peace -- Pieter [1] id:"camo156nys6ptfy-jb7kt1u+e0n25yoqjn00t9kcsxfipdhe...@mail.gmail.com"
Re: [dev] Linux sucks!
On Thu 27 Oct 2011 05:00:41 PM PDT, Pieter Praet wrote: > Don't worry, you're not missing out on anything, besides the guy > making a total fool of himself in front of a totally oblivious > audience (which is just annoying; no comical value whatsoever). Reminds me of a sketch from the IT Crowd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTBsm0LzSP0 -- Reality is for people who lack imagination. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [dev] Linux sucks!
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:33:18 +0100 Guilherme Lino wrote: > latex is cool, vim, dwm, but no one out of the professional > field of computer sience have the time or patience to learn this unix > philosophy.. are you trolling or what? "nobody will ever need more then 64k of memory".. now "no professional computer scientist knows the unix philosophy" ?
