Re: ! {UGRENT} Marketing materials, can't provide

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 20/01/2015 Michal Hriň wrote:

I have a meeting with my friend today, if it is possible print repaired
materials in time ...
That mess was sent to Andrea anyways, throw it from window in Belgium.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/101590593@N06/16297899626/


Of course I can only see the picture, but it doesn't look so bad, don't 
worry. We don't have professional marketing, so if things are slightly 
different in color or shape it can still be OK. From what I see, we can 
definitely use what you sent, so even if you don't manage to reprint 
them it's not that bad.


The major issue I see is that "OpenOffice" in the stickers is written in 
a way that resembles the old logo (bold, darker) while you had correctly 
used the new one (thin, light) in your drafts. The rest looks OK, 
printed materials are always slightly different from drafts, and be sure 
that we will only be grateful to you for taking care of this, nobody can 
criticize your work!


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Question regarding .AFF in en_GB dictionary

[Stuart Swales]

Would it be better / correct to say that these were the sources that you
used to verify the spelling of the words you included in the dictionary

Stuart

On 19/01/2015 01:18, Marco A.G.Pinto wrote:
> Hello!
>
> I was wondering if I should write in the en_GB .AFF the source of the
> words since I embraced the project a year ago:
>
> *# Affix file for British English MySpell dictionary**
> **# Also suitable as basis for Commonwealth and European English.**
> **# Built from scratch for MySpell. Released under LGPL.**
> **#**
> # Source of wordlist (Marco Pinto):
> # 1) Oxford Dictionaries;
> # 2) Collins Dictionary;
> # 3) Macmillan Dictionary;
> # 4) Wiktionary (used with caution);
> # 5) Wikipedia (used with caution);
> # 6) Physical dictionaries.
> #
> **# David Bartlett, Andrew Brown,**
> **# Kevin Atkinson, Marco A.G.Pinto.**
> **# R 2.21, 2015-02-XX*
>
>
> Thanks for your time!
>
> Kind regards,
>>Marco A.G.Pinto
>  --
>
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Re: Question regarding .AFF in en_GB dictionary

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 08:50:37 +
Stuart Swales  wrote:

> Would it be better / correct to say that these were the sources that you
> used to verify the spelling of the words you included in the dictionary
> 
> Stuart
> 
> On 19/01/2015 01:18, Marco A.G.Pinto wrote:
> > Hello!
> >
> > I was wondering if I should write in the en_GB .AFF the source of the
> > words since I embraced the project a year ago:
> >
> > *# Affix file for British English MySpell dictionary**
> > **# Also suitable as basis for Commonwealth and European English.**
> > **# Built from scratch for MySpell. Released under LGPL.**
> > **#**
> > # Source of wordlist (Marco Pinto):
> > # 1) Oxford Dictionaries;
> > # 2) Collins Dictionary;
> > # 3) Macmillan Dictionary;
> > # 4) Wiktionary (used with caution);
> > # 5) Wikipedia (used with caution);
> > # 6) Physical dictionaries.
> > #
> > **# David Bartlett, Andrew Brown,**
> > **# Kevin Atkinson, Marco A.G.Pinto.**
> > **# R 2.21, 2015-02-XX*
> >
> >
> > Thanks for your time!
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >>Marco A.G.Pinto
> >  --
> >
> > -- 
> 
> -- 
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> 

I see no objection to listing the sources consulted - it is good academic 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 20/01/15 00:29, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
> 
>> On 19 Jan 2015, at 13:32, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>>
>> I am probably seeming very disagreeable here.
> Nope. You'll have to try harder :-) 
> 
> More seriously, you point to a flaw that was not evident on an abstract level 
> but was in practice. I had an IM conversation with Andrea over the weekend, 
> where I proposed that I withdraw my nomination, as having several -1 
> obviously damaged the ideal of consensus. An objection to my doing that now 
> is that it's not clear what would be gained. Andrea and others believe that 
> the election process has proceeded as it ought to have, with enough time 
> allowed for discussion and then vote. But you argue the contrary, and it 
> seems that a couple of others share your views.
> 
> I have no problems withdrawing my candidacy and asking for new round. But I 
> do want to point out a couple of things. 1. The chair role is not at all like 
> that of OpenOffice.org, itself a kind of blur. This role is far more 
> precisely defined and is an admin role. It actually rather resembles some of 
> what I did while at CollabNet, and that included a lot of issue cleaning, 
> tracking, infra stuff, permissions management, and so on. That I see some 
> value beyond this is my take on it; as you know, Jan, for instance, has 
> another. 2. I thought that the PMC could be reevaluated, though I'm by no 
> means sure in what way, exactly. But I don't need to be; others have good 
> ideas, I believe, or at least ideas that could be aired. I thought, and I 
> think I was not alone in in this, that any re-doing of the PMC, however, 
> should logically proceed *after* the election, as the candidate is elected by 
> the binding votes of those making up the existing PMC. The sequence I 
> envisioned was: A. Election; B. P
 M
C re-evaluation; C. New election if need be or is desired. There is no absolute 
set term for the chair. 
> 
> Finally, I also felt that Andrea wanted to step down and do it before 
> February. But as he's recently underscored, he's not working on a deadline, 
> just a desire. 
> 
> All that said, if we do want to go with a new round, starting from scratch, 
> then suggest a sequence and timing. Personally, it might be cleaner—and also 
> save time, in the end, to wait out this round, and if it failed as an 
> election, *then* start afresh. In this event, then we'd start with the new 
> process next week, I'd guess. 
> 

sorry for not answering earlier but I was on vacation and missed the
whole discussion ...

I will not vote right now because I believe the currently ongoing vote
shows already a clear signal. Well it is up to Louis to interpret the -1
votes on his own but I personally believe that Louis with his long
history as community manager (how it was called) is somewhat negative
contaminated and I believe he won't be the right PMC chair for the moment.

I propose a second round with hopefully more nominated candidates and it
is not necessary to have a long history in AOO. Just keep in mind the
role of the PMC and think if you can manage it. If you are motivated to
do it and help the project to move forward.

This is my personal opinion only

Juergen



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Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

[Ian Lynch]

My view is more positive. Louis has at least one thing in his favour - long
term experience. Also I think he has a clear track record of commitment to
the project in difficult times. I have had differences with him in the
past, but I think that is just part of any pluralist system. I don't
particularly want to be in a situation where everyone has to agree with
everyone. What matters is matching experience and expertise to the job and
the evidence is he knows this job is different from the previous community
manager job he had with Sun. For a start he isn't getting paid to do it
now.

On 20 January 2015 at 09:32, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:

> On 20/01/15 00:29, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
> >
> >> On 19 Jan 2015, at 13:32, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> >>
> >> I am probably seeming very disagreeable here.
> > Nope. You'll have to try harder :-)
> >
> > More seriously, you point to a flaw that was not evident on an abstract
> level but was in practice. I had an IM conversation with Andrea over the
> weekend, where I proposed that I withdraw my nomination, as having several
> -1 obviously damaged the ideal of consensus. An objection to my doing that
> now is that it's not clear what would be gained. Andrea and others believe
> that the election process has proceeded as it ought to have, with enough
> time allowed for discussion and then vote. But you argue the contrary, and
> it seems that a couple of others share your views.
> >
> > I have no problems withdrawing my candidacy and asking for new round.
> But I do want to point out a couple of things. 1. The chair role is not at
> all like that of OpenOffice.org, itself a kind of blur. This role is far
> more precisely defined and is an admin role. It actually rather resembles
> some of what I did while at CollabNet, and that included a lot of issue
> cleaning, tracking, infra stuff, permissions management, and so on. That I
> see some value beyond this is my take on it; as you know, Jan, for
> instance, has another. 2. I thought that the PMC could be reevaluated,
> though I'm by no means sure in what way, exactly. But I don't need to be;
> others have good ideas, I believe, or at least ideas that could be aired. I
> thought, and I think I was not alone in in this, that any re-doing of the
> PMC, however, should logically proceed *after* the election, as the
> candidate is elected by the binding votes of those making up the existing
> PMC. The sequence I envisioned was: A. Election; B. P
>  M
> C re-evaluation; C. New election if need be or is desired. There is no
> absolute set term for the chair.
> >
> > Finally, I also felt that Andrea wanted to step down and do it before
> February. But as he's recently underscored, he's not working on a deadline,
> just a desire.
> >
> > All that said, if we do want to go with a new round, starting from
> scratch, then suggest a sequence and timing. Personally, it might be
> cleaner—and also save time, in the end, to wait out this round, and if it
> failed as an election, *then* start afresh. In this event, then we'd start
> with the new process next week, I'd guess.
> >
>
> sorry for not answering earlier but I was on vacation and missed the
> whole discussion ...
>
> I will not vote right now because I believe the currently ongoing vote
> shows already a clear signal. Well it is up to Louis to interpret the -1
> votes on his own but I personally believe that Louis with his long
> history as community manager (how it was called) is somewhat negative
> contaminated and I believe he won't be the right PMC chair for the moment.
>
> I propose a second round with hopefully more nominated candidates and it
> is not necessary to have a long history in AOO. Just keep in mind the
> role of the PMC and think if you can manage it. If you are motivated to
> do it and help the project to move forward.
>
> This is my personal opinion only
>
> Juergen
>
>
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Re: Question regarding .AFF in en_GB dictionary

[Marco A.G.Pinto]

Thanks, Rory and Stuart!

:-P

Kind regards,
   >Marco A.G.Pinto
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On 20/01/2015 09:15, Rory O'Farrell wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 08:50:37 +
Stuart Swales  wrote:


Would it be better / correct to say that these were the sources that you
used to verify the spelling of the words you included in the dictionary

Stuart

On 19/01/2015 01:18, Marco A.G.Pinto wrote:

Hello!

I was wondering if I should write in the en_GB .AFF the source of the
words since I embraced the project a year ago:

*# Affix file for British English MySpell dictionary**
**# Also suitable as basis for Commonwealth and European English.**
**# Built from scratch for MySpell. Released under LGPL.**
**#**
# Source of wordlist (Marco Pinto):
# 1) Oxford Dictionaries;
# 2) Collins Dictionary;
# 3) Macmillan Dictionary;
# 4) Wiktionary (used with caution);
# 5) Wikipedia (used with caution);
# 6) Physical dictionaries.
#
**# David Bartlett, Andrew Brown,**
**# Kevin Atkinson, Marco A.G.Pinto.**
**# R 2.21, 2015-02-XX*


Thanks for your time!

Kind regards,
>Marco A.G.Pinto
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RE: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL

[Yuri Dario]

Hi,

> Have you looked at this enough to be satisfied the VCL maps to QT well enough 
> for what AOO does?

no, but since QT is a complete SDK for writing apps, I suppose it does
everything AOO needs.

> So my question may be useless, and certainly based on ignorance: Is there any 
> sort of lifecycle management that has to be 
>handled between VCL and QT and will this be resolvable (using UNO or 
whatever for that purpose)?

sorry, my QT experience is very limited.

> PS: Thanks for bringing your expertise with OS/2 on behalf of AOO too.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Briefly, 
> On 20 Jan 2015, at 05:42, Ian Lynch  wrote:
> 
> My view is more positive. Louis has at least one thing in his favour - long
> term experience. Also I think he has a clear track record of commitment to
> the project in difficult times. I have had differences with him in the
> past, but I think that is just part of any pluralist system. I don't
> particularly want to be in a situation where everyone has to agree with
> everyone. What matters is matching experience and expertise to the job and
> the evidence is he knows this job is different from the previous community
> manager job he had with Sun. For a start he isn't getting paid to do it
> now.
> 

Thanks, Ian. Note, I stopped disagreeing with Ian a decade ago. :-) And, in 
fact, I am rather impressed with the success of his efforts and his great 
optimism. And, yeah, my participation with AOO is now and likely will be for 
the foreseeable future as a volunteer. I get no money out of the time I spend 
boring the readers of this.

But I really need to underscore what we are voting on (or for) here. Strictly 
defined, this chair position is basically an admin role, and that, as part of 
its admin function, it does routine Apache things: reports, most obviously, but 
also infra stuff, as well as ensuring the execution of AOO's policies, and so 
on. It also—and this is probably more important—the speaker to Apache for AOO. 
(That itself does not mean much. But AOO remains a bit of an enigma, as it is 
so enduser focused.) Most importantly, it's not a "leadership" position. There 
is no "project lead." To imagine it otherwise is to be mistaken. (It is in part 
for this reason I surmise that Andrea has always stated that what he does—and 
the PMC, too—as representing the community, not leading it.)

I can see why a longstanding (and former colleague) developer like Juergen 
would feel that the past I carry (as does he, as do we all) would affect the 
Chair's effectiveness. But that would presume that the role is anything other 
than that stipulated, which would mean it presumes that the PMC has implicitly 
already granted enhanced status to the chair. /laugh/

To restate, I think we need an admin to do admin and Apache things. More 
personally, I also think we need to reach out to developers and their companies 
and government offices; and to see about collaboration, if possible and perhaps 
in only narrow ways, with TDF and LO. I find it insane that the division 
persists. But that's not at issue here.

I would have been delighted to have seen a fresh face from the PMC roster stand 
for election. But …? Most on it, most who have voted so far, are holdovers, 
like me, from OOo, or comparative newbies like Rob and Dennis, who have long 
been involved in ODF issues. The absence of new people casting binding votes 
leads me to wonder: What could we do to find new contributors we'd be willing 
to make PMC members? What are we doing now? Even more, what are doing to extend 
the ecosystem? Outside of the work Ian and Alexandro are doing—what?

louis

PS I had earlier written that Jan and I differed in our take on what the chair 
position was about. Jan chided me on this point privately. But we have no 
differences in reading the description of the role. Our only difference lies in 
how we would like to leverage the role. He has better connections within Apache 
than I do, and that's important. I have better connections with many of the 
sectors using OpenOffice outside of Apache, and with the remnants of the 
ecosystem that existed for OOo, and my idea was to leverage the position of 
chair to promote AOO among those hundreds of millions (or a handful)—and to 
frame "promote" as meaning as much to get new developers as to get new users. 
But, of course, that's entirely up to the PMC to enable.

PPS, no doubt, Jan will again privately chide me for misrepresenting his views. 
:-)

> On 20 January 2015 at 09:32, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:
> 
>> On 20/01/15 00:29, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
>>> 
 On 19 Jan 2015, at 13:32, Kay Schenk  wrote:
 
 I am probably seeming very disagreeable here.
>>> Nope. You'll have to try harder :-)
>>> 
>>> More seriously, you point to a flaw that was not evident on an abstract
>> level but was in practice. I had an IM conversation with Andrea over the
>> weekend, where I proposed that I withdraw my nomination, as having several
>> -1 obviously damaged the ideal of consensus. An objection to my doing that
>> now is that it's not clear what would be gained. Andrea and others believe
>> that the election process has proceeded as it ought to have, with enough
>> time allowed for discussion and then vote. But you argue the contrary, and
>> it seems that a couple of others share your views.
>>> 
>>> I have no problems withdrawing my candidacy and asking for new round.
>> But I do want to point out a couple of things. 1. The chair role is not at
>> all like that of OpenOffice.org, itself a kind of blur. This role is far
>> more

Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Yuri,

> On 20 Jan 2015, at 09:55, Yuri Dario  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> Have you looked at this enough to be satisfied the VCL maps to QT well 
>> enough for what AOO does?
> 
> no, but since QT is a complete SDK for writing apps, I suppose it does
> everything AOO needs.
> 
>> So my question may be useless, and certainly based on ignorance: Is there 
>> any sort of lifecycle management that has to be 
>> handled between VCL and QT and will this be resolvable (using UNO or 
> whatever for that purpose)?
> 
> sorry, my QT experience is very limited.
> 
>> PS: Thanks for bringing your expertise with OS/2 on behalf of AOO too.
> 
> thank you :-))
> 

Indeed, thanks. But let me get this straight. The Qt license, which for us 
would be LGPL, is not an obstacle? (I know you described a possible usage that 
did not seem to transgress license. But we should need to be rather careful 
here.)

thanks
louis




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> 
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> 
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Apache Community List

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Among the good things Apache offers are the general mail lists. I follow 
several, and the dev [at} community list has lately been of particular 
interest. A thread that bears tracing relates to the development of the content 
for "A Maturity Model for Apache Projects." More generally, it's also immensely 
useful and instructive to examine the process by which the model has been cast.

-louis

[0] Initial post in thread: http://goo.gl/HjoE0r
[1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ApacheProjectMaturityModel
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Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 15/01/15 01:00, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> On 31 December 2014 I wrote to this list that I would be available to
> resign from the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair position as soon as a
> successor could be elected. We had nominations and long discussions and
> in the end we have one candidate available to be the next OpenOffice PMC
> Chair: Louis Suárez-Potts. It's now time to vote.
> 
> Do you approve that, in his capacity as the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair,
> Andrea Pescetti submits a resolution to the Board asking to be replaced
> by Louis Suárez-Potts as the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair?
> [ ] +1 Yes
> [ ]  0 Abstain
> [ ] -1 No

-1

> 
> Vote opens now and it will last one week (and a few hours), until 22
> January 2015 10:00 AM GMT, to give all community members the opportunity
> to participate. If vote passes, the resolution will be submitted to the
> Board in time for the February meeting (18 February 2015).
> 
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL

[Kay Schenk]

On 01/20/2015 07:05 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
> Yuri,
> 
>> On 20 Jan 2015, at 09:55, Yuri Dario  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>>> Have you looked at this enough to be satisfied the VCL maps to QT
>>> well enough for what AOO does?
>> 
>> no, but since QT is a complete SDK for writing apps, I suppose it
>> does everything AOO needs.
>> 
>>> So my question may be useless, and certainly based on ignorance:
>>> Is there any sort of lifecycle management that has to be handled
>>> between VCL and QT and will this be resolvable (using UNO or
>> whatever for that purpose)?
>> 
>> sorry, my QT experience is very limited.
>> 
>>> PS: Thanks for bringing your expertise with OS/2 on behalf of AOO
>>> too.
>> 
>> thank you :-))
>> 
> 
> Indeed, thanks. But let me get this straight. The Qt license, which
> for us would be LGPL, is not an obstacle? (I know you described a
> possible usage that did not seem to transgress license. But we should
> need to be rather careful here.)
> 
> thanks louis

The QT license info is here:

http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/licensing.html#licenses-used-in-qt

Quite a collection! Of these, for the QT core, I believe the BSD-style
are acceptable to the ASF but, the MIT -- not! :(

So...depending on what we used, we'd need to discuss with Apache Legal.

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>> 
>> -- Bye,
>> 
>> Yuri Dario
>> 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

[Marcus]

The same for me. I also think Louis could do the job - also because of 
his past.


Marcus



Am 01/20/2015 11:42 AM, schrieb Ian Lynch:

My view is more positive. Louis has at least one thing in his favour - long
term experience. Also I think he has a clear track record of commitment to
the project in difficult times. I have had differences with him in the
past, but I think that is just part of any pluralist system. I don't
particularly want to be in a situation where everyone has to agree with
everyone. What matters is matching experience and expertise to the job and
the evidence is he knows this job is different from the previous community
manager job he had with Sun. For a start he isn't getting paid to do it
now.

On 20 January 2015 at 09:32, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:


On 20/01/15 00:29, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:



On 19 Jan 2015, at 13:32, Kay Schenk  wrote:

I am probably seeming very disagreeable here.

Nope. You'll have to try harder :-)

More seriously, you point to a flaw that was not evident on an abstract

level but was in practice. I had an IM conversation with Andrea over the
weekend, where I proposed that I withdraw my nomination, as having several
-1 obviously damaged the ideal of consensus. An objection to my doing that
now is that it's not clear what would be gained. Andrea and others believe
that the election process has proceeded as it ought to have, with enough
time allowed for discussion and then vote. But you argue the contrary, and
it seems that a couple of others share your views.


I have no problems withdrawing my candidacy and asking for new round.

But I do want to point out a couple of things. 1. The chair role is not at
all like that of OpenOffice.org, itself a kind of blur. This role is far
more precisely defined and is an admin role. It actually rather resembles
some of what I did while at CollabNet, and that included a lot of issue
cleaning, tracking, infra stuff, permissions management, and so on. That I
see some value beyond this is my take on it; as you know, Jan, for
instance, has another. 2. I thought that the PMC could be reevaluated,
though I'm by no means sure in what way, exactly. But I don't need to be;
others have good ideas, I believe, or at least ideas that could be aired. I
thought, and I think I was not alone in in this, that any re-doing of the
PMC, however, should logically proceed *after* the election, as the
candidate is elected by the binding votes of those making up the existing
PMC. The sequence I envisioned was: A. Election; B. P
  M
C re-evaluation; C. New election if need be or is desired. There is no
absolute set term for the chair.


Finally, I also felt that Andrea wanted to step down and do it before

February. But as he's recently underscored, he's not working on a deadline,
just a desire.


All that said, if we do want to go with a new round, starting from

scratch, then suggest a sequence and timing. Personally, it might be
cleaner—and also save time, in the end, to wait out this round, and if it
failed as an election, *then* start afresh. In this event, then we'd start
with the new process next week, I'd guess.




sorry for not answering earlier but I was on vacation and missed the
whole discussion ...

I will not vote right now because I believe the currently ongoing vote
shows already a clear signal. Well it is up to Louis to interpret the -1
votes on his own but I personally believe that Louis with his long
history as community manager (how it was called) is somewhat negative
contaminated and I believe he won't be the right PMC chair for the moment.

I propose a second round with hopefully more nominated candidates and it
is not necessary to have a long history in AOO. Just keep in mind the
role of the PMC and think if you can manage it. If you are motivated to
do it and help the project to move forward.

This is my personal opinion only

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Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi,

> On 20 Jan 2015, at 12:53, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 01/20/2015 07:05 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
>> Yuri,
>> 
>>> On 20 Jan 2015, at 09:55, Yuri Dario  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
 Have you looked at this enough to be satisfied the VCL maps to QT
 well enough for what AOO does?
>>> 
>>> no, but since QT is a complete SDK for writing apps, I suppose it
>>> does everything AOO needs.
>>> 
 So my question may be useless, and certainly based on ignorance:
 Is there any sort of lifecycle management that has to be handled
 between VCL and QT and will this be resolvable (using UNO or
>>> whatever for that purpose)?
>>> 
>>> sorry, my QT experience is very limited.
>>> 
 PS: Thanks for bringing your expertise with OS/2 on behalf of AOO
 too.
>>> 
>>> thank you :-))
>>> 
>> 
>> Indeed, thanks. But let me get this straight. The Qt license, which
>> for us would be LGPL, is not an obstacle? (I know you described a
>> possible usage that did not seem to transgress license. But we should
>> need to be rather careful here.)
>> 
>> thanks louis
> 
> The QT license info is here:
> 
> http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/licensing.html#licenses-used-in-qt
> 
> Quite a collection! Of these, for the QT core, I believe the BSD-style
> are acceptable to the ASF but, the MIT -- not! :(
> 
> So...depending on what we used, we'd need to discuss with Apache Legal.

Yes. I had gone over that page, too…. and it seemed inconclusive, ie, I'm not a 
lawyer.

What we want to do… up to what developers want, no? Personally, I think if it 
makes sense to pursue this avenue, and it's also kind of interesting, and a 
challenge, and could also bring in other developers and contributors, then why 
not? This would especially be so if a Qt application (whatever that would mean 
in this context) could also then allow for a smooth transition between mobiles 
and desktops. (Corinthia is of course working on related technology, but from a 
different angle.)

I think to move ahead on this we just… do it? And ask Apache legal for guidance?

louis
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> -- Bye,
>>> 
>>> Yuri Dario
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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RE: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Louis asks about a dependency on LGPL.

 -- replying below to --
From: Louis Suárez-Potts [mailto:lui...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 07:05
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL

[ ... ]

Indeed, thanks. But let me get this straight. The Qt license, which for us 
would be LGPL, is not an obstacle? (I know you described a possible usage that 
did not seem to transgress license. But we should need to be rather careful 
here.)


   Yuri had intentionally stayed away from the license question and 
   simply described his impression of Qt in terms of technology.
 However, I do believe that having Qt in place of VCL would be 
   very serious (although allowing Qt under VCL as an *option* is different).  

   I believe the governing conditions in the Apache Project Maturity Model 
   (https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ApacheProjectMaturityModel) are CD20, 
   CD30, and especially LC20.
  Going to Qt would be more than a requirement for using the compiled 
   code, it would also be a requirement for being able to compile the code.
   In the case of writing aids that are made available with AOO binaries 
   (or as extensions), there is no dependency concerning licensed material 
   at the AOO source-code level.  The license accompanies the extension, 
   but the extension's usage at the AOO level is indifferent and the 
   extensions are replaceable.  Recall the project was very careful about
   that.

   Relying on Qt, even as a redistributable shared library obtained from the 
   Qt project, makes it not possible to build AOO without that dependency, 
   and it would permeate the APIs and source-code architecture everywhere.  
   Apart from the effort required to do that, I think that is a serious 
   intrusion of an LGPL dependency into the entire project.  

   I think there is an open question about sliding Qt under VCL as simply a 
   platform adaptation.  My question to Yuri was about what he knew concerning 
   lifecycle management in handling that.  I believe that remains to be 
   explored.  That might be someone's itch to scratch, but I don't think it 
   should distract the project at this point.  I think there are many other 
   pressing matters that require someone with both an itch and the means to 
   scratch it.

   I also think there is some sort of confusion of Qt with respect to Webkit.
   I am not certain what that is.  However, to the degree one is interested
   in moving toward light-weight GUIs that take advantage of the HTML5, CSS,
   and JavaScript support on devices and the cloud, there seem to be more 
   direct avenues that one might consider for AOO, although I for one am
   completely ignorant of what that would disrupt in the current AOO 
   architecture and source-code structures.

   Squirrel !;<).





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RE: Apache Community List

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

+1 and also, there is this great page at .  

 - Dennis,
   who must have been asleep while this great consolidation was created

-Original Message-
From: Louis Suárez-Potts [mailto:lui...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 08:07
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Apache Community List

Among the good things Apache offers are the general mail lists. I follow 
several, and the dev [at} community list has lately been of particular 
interest. A thread that bears tracing relates to the development of the content 
for "A Maturity Model for Apache Projects." More generally, it's also immensely 
useful and instructive to examine the process by which the model has been cast.

-louis

[0] Initial post in thread: http://goo.gl/HjoE0r
[1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ApacheProjectMaturityModel
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Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

[V Stuart Foote]

Andrea Pescetti-2 wrote
> Do you approve that, in his capacity as the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair, 
> Andrea Pescetti submits a resolution to the Board asking to be replaced 
> by Louis Suárez-Potts as the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair?
> [ ] +1 Yes
> [ ]  0 Abstain
> [ ] -1 No

-1 No (non-binding)

with apologies to Louis (who no doubt can fill the administrative role as
PMC Chair) and to Andrea (for our stringing him along), but it seems there
really should be additional vetting of other candidates, including perhaps
their views of where the PMC is taking (needs to take) the project--rather
than an unopposed and rushed VOTE.

Sorry.



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Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

> On 20 Jan 2015, at 14:41, V Stuart Foote  wrote:
> 
> Andrea Pescetti-2 wrote
>> Do you approve that, in his capacity as the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair, 
>> Andrea Pescetti submits a resolution to the Board asking to be replaced 
>> by Louis Suárez-Potts as the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair?
>> [ ] +1 Yes
>> [ ]  0 Abstain
>> [ ] -1 No
> 
> -1 No (non-binding)
> 
> with apologies to Louis (who no doubt can fill the administrative role as
> PMC Chair) and to Andrea (for our stringing him along), but it seems there
> really should be additional vetting of other candidates, including perhaps
> their views of where the PMC is taking (needs to take) the project--rather
> than an unopposed and rushed VOTE.
> 
> Sorry.
> 
> 

Don't be sorry. I agree with you. We clearly ought to have had more discussion 
prior to voting. But on the bright side… this vote, the weirdness of it (what, 
just one candidate, and haven't we seen him before?), all this led to more 
engagement and, I hope, I really hope, yet more the next round. 

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Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

> On 20 Jan 2015, at 14:28, Dennis E. Hamilton  wrote:
> 
> Louis asks about a dependency on LGPL.
> 
> -- replying below to --
> From: Louis Suárez-Potts [mailto:lui...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 07:05
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL
> 
> [ ... ]
> 
> Indeed, thanks. But let me get this straight. The Qt license, which for us 
> would be LGPL, is not an obstacle? (I know you described a possible usage 
> that did not seem to transgress license. But we should need to be rather 
> careful here.)
> 
> 
>   Yuri had intentionally stayed away from the license question and 
>   simply described his impression of Qt in terms of technology.
> However, I do believe that having Qt in place of VCL would be 
>   very serious (although allowing Qt under VCL as an *option* is different).  
> 
>   I believe the governing conditions in the Apache Project Maturity Model 
>   (https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ApacheProjectMaturityModel) are CD20, 
>   CD30, and especially LC20.
>  Going to Qt would be more than a requirement for using the compiled 
>   code, it would also be a requirement for being able to compile the code.
>   In the case of writing aids that are made available with AOO binaries 
>   (or as extensions), there is no dependency concerning licensed material 
>   at the AOO source-code level.  The license accompanies the extension, 
>   but the extension's usage at the AOO level is indifferent and the 
>   extensions are replaceable.  Recall the project was very careful about
>   that.


Yes. That was what I had in mind regarding Qt for extensions. Ie, for add on 
applications that essentially operated after AOO compiled. 
> 
>   Relying on Qt, even as a redistributable shared library obtained from the 
>   Qt project, makes it not possible to build AOO without that dependency, 
>   and it would permeate the APIs and source-code architecture everywhere.  
>   Apart from the effort required to do that, I think that is a serious 
>   intrusion of an LGPL dependency into the entire project.  

That was my impression.
> 
>   I think there is an open question about sliding Qt under VCL as simply a 
>   platform adaptation.

Exactly.

>  My question to Yuri was about what he knew concerning 
>   lifecycle management in handling that.  I believe that remains to be 
>   explored.  That might be someone's itch to scratch, but I don't think it 
>   should distract the project at this point.  I think there are many other 
>   pressing matters that require someone with both an itch and the means to 
>   scratch it.

Okay.
> 
>   I also think there is some sort of confusion of Qt with respect to Webkit.
>   I am not certain what that is.  However, to the degree one is interested
>   in moving toward light-weight GUIs that take advantage of the HTML5, CSS,
>   and JavaScript support on devices and the cloud, there seem to be more 
>   direct avenues that one might consider for AOO, although I for one am
>   completely ignorant of what that would disrupt in the current AOO 
>   architecture and source-code structures.

I for one would suggest that those of us wanting to use WebKit for building 
interesting apps consider Corinthia ;-)


> 
>   Squirrel !;<).
> 
> 
> 
Thanks, Dennis
Louis

PS nothing stops one from building AOO on Qt *outside* of Apache, of course, 
but then why? (Besides driving the LO crowd crazy with confusion.)
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Re: Nominations for a new PMC Chair

[Donald Harbison]

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 6:03 AM, Ian Lynch  wrote:
> > Sounds a bit like the Marcons for marketing in the original OO.o project.
> >
>
> Right.   But I hope it is clear to everyone that the main difference
> between OOo and AOO is not the lack of titles.   The main difference
> is the lack of a large number full-time, professional developers and
> QA from Sun.   Adding or subtracting titles, or swapping them around,
> does not change that.   Adopting the Apache License or the MPL does
> not change that.  Having a PMC or an Advisory Board does not change
> that.This is not to say that the PMC Chair is not an important
> role.  It is.  But it does not change the basic facts on the ground.
>
> So let's get this election over with and get on to dealing with the
> critical tasks ahead.
>

+1


>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>
>
> > On 13 January 2015 at 09:45, RA Stehmann <
> anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 12.01.2015 23:22, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
> >>
> >> > Of course, the community could create such roles—Marketing Leads, say.
> >> Done that before, and it works fine. But I’m also keen—and I think
> others
> >> are, too—in keeping to a minimum bureaucratic structures. (Not because I
> >> dislike bureaucracy—I don’t, in theory, as a means of resolving
> >> differences—but because titles and roles tend to calcify, and that I
> don’t
> >> think anyone likes.)
> >>
> >> In the "historic" germanophone community we have roles called
> >> "Ansprechpartner". That means a person, to whom topics can be addressed.
> >> We have "Ansprechpartner" (contact persons) for marketing, QA; Mac-port,
> >> website, translation etc..
> >>
> >> So it was clear, that these persons had adopted a special responsbility,
> >> but there was no special power given to them.
> >>
> >> I think, it might be a first step, if some of the PMC members would
> >> tell, for what topic they can be a contact person. Maybe we can add this
> >> in the list of the PMC members on the website, improving transparency,
> >> like we do it for mailinglists, blog, svn, bugzilla, wiki and social
> media.
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >> Michael
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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> > Ian
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Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

[Donald Harbison]

Voting Yes (binding).

Louis definitely has the passion.

Whomever takes the reins, the project has much to improve. A re-energized
PMC and community is critical.

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:00 PM, Andrea Pescetti 
wrote:

> On 31 December 2014 I wrote to this list that I would be available to
> resign from the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair position as soon as a successor
> could be elected. We had nominations and long discussions and in the end we
> have one candidate available to be the next OpenOffice PMC Chair: Louis
> Suárez-Potts. It's now time to vote.
>
> Do you approve that, in his capacity as the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair,
> Andrea Pescetti submits a resolution to the Board asking to be replaced by
> Louis Suárez-Potts as the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair?
> [X] +1 Yes
> [ ]  0 Abstain
> [ ] -1 No
>
> Vote opens now and it will last one week (and a few hours), until 22
> January 2015 10:00 AM GMT, to give all community members the opportunity to
> participate. If vote passes, the resolution will be submitted to the Board
> in time for the February meeting (18 February 2015).
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi all,

> On 20 Jan 2015, at 15:37, Donald Harbison  wrote:
> 
> Voting Yes (binding).
> 
> Louis definitely has the passion.
> 
> Whomever takes the reins, the project has much to improve. A re-energized
> PMC and community is critical.

Thanks, Don.

I feel I should speak of myself in the 3rd person. :-) More seriously… let's 
presume that a new election will be held, if not really soon then sooner than 
later. The question, then, is what do we want for the chair to do? Recall, the 
chair must operate within certain constraints we've agreed to as an Apache 
project. But the PMC is able, indeed basically (t)asked, to act as something 
more than, uhm, electrons, and *do*.

(Note, I was more or less raised in cooperatives and led one when I hadn't yet 
started to shave, back as a frosh @ UC Berkeley. I was schooled in the idea 
that any position of responsibility, especially executive, necessarily 
obligated its holder to routine work, of the sort that kept the whole thing, of 
which he was a part going. I still believe it and though I, like many others, 
seek to find ways *not* to do the boring stuff, still, you know, it's kind of 
fun and I do it. And, for all my complaints, it's also simply satisfying. So, I 
like thinking that one very likely unpopular way of looking at the PMC—and not 
just ours—is through the lens of a cooperative. In our case, for those of us 
who, like me, can code as well as he can sing, that can mean anything from 
mentoring to marketing and all the alphabetical letters in-between and around.)

cheers,
Louis
> 
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:00 PM, Andrea Pescetti 
> wrote:
> 
>> On 31 December 2014 I wrote to this list that I would be available to
>> resign from the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair position as soon as a successor
>> could be elected. We had nominations and long discussions and in the end we
>> have one candidate available to be the next OpenOffice PMC Chair: Louis
>> Suárez-Potts. It's now time to vote.
>> 
>> Do you approve that, in his capacity as the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair,
>> Andrea Pescetti submits a resolution to the Board asking to be replaced by
>> Louis Suárez-Potts as the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair?
>> [X] +1 Yes
>> [ ]  0 Abstain
>> [ ] -1 No
>> 
>> Vote opens now and it will last one week (and a few hours), until 22
>> January 2015 10:00 AM GMT, to give all community members the opportunity to
>> participate. If vote passes, the resolution will be submitted to the Board
>> in time for the February meeting (18 February 2015).
>> 
>> Regards,
>>  Andrea.
>> 
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RE: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

 -- repying below to --
From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 09:54
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL

On 01/20/2015 07:05 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
> [ ... ]
> Indeed, thanks. But let me get this straight. The Qt license, which
> for us would be LGPL, is not an obstacle? (I know you described a
> possible usage that did not seem to transgress license. But we should
> need to be rather careful here.)
> 
> thanks louis

The QT license info is here:

http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/licensing.html#licenses-used-in-qt

Quite a collection! Of these, for the QT core, I believe the BSD-style
are acceptable to the ASF but, the MIT -- not! :(

So...depending on what we used, we'd need to discuss with Apache Legal.


   Those are licenses of some dependencies within QT, not the license
   for QT itself.  That is sort of like a NOTICE file for QT.

   And the MIT license is equivalent to a BSD license.  That is not
   the problem.  It is listed as MIT/X11 at 
   .

   It is a good time to look at what that page says about GNU LGPL
   too.  It is also important to recognize that the LGPL includes
   the GPL by reference and while it makes some GPL exceptions,
   the rest of the GPL is there.  This is often overlooked.


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Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL

[Kay Schenk]

On 01/20/2015 11:28 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> Louis asks about a dependency on LGPL.
> 
>  -- replying below to --
> From: Louis Suárez-Potts [mailto:lui...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 07:05
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL
> 
> [ ... ]
> 
> Indeed, thanks. But let me get this straight. The Qt license, which for us 
> would be LGPL, is not an obstacle? (I know you described a possible usage 
> that did not seem to transgress license. But we should need to be rather 
> careful here.)
> 
> 
>Yuri had intentionally stayed away from the license question and 
>simply described his impression of Qt in terms of technology.
>  However, I do believe that having Qt in place of VCL would be 
>very serious (although allowing Qt under VCL as an *option* is different). 
>  
> 
>I believe the governing conditions in the Apache Project Maturity Model 
>(https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ApacheProjectMaturityModel) are CD20, 
>CD30, and especially LC20.
>   Going to Qt would be more than a requirement for using the compiled 
>code, it would also be a requirement for being able to compile the code.

My impression was only the latter in the same way we use other libraries
outside of AOO to build. See info on the QuickCompiler page --
http://doc.qt.io/QtQuickCompiler/index.html

>In the case of writing aids that are made available with AOO binaries 
>(or as extensions), there is no dependency concerning licensed material 
>at the AOO source-code level.  The license accompanies the extension, 
>but the extension's usage at the AOO level is indifferent and the 
>extensions are replaceable.  Recall the project was very careful about
>that.
> 
>Relying on Qt, even as a redistributable shared library obtained from the 
>Qt project, makes it not possible to build AOO without that dependency, 
>and it would permeate the APIs and source-code architecture everywhere.  
>Apart from the effort required to do that, I think that is a serious 
>intrusion of an LGPL dependency into the entire project.  
> 
>I think there is an open question about sliding Qt under VCL as simply a 
>platform adaptation.  My question to Yuri was about what he knew 
> concerning 
>lifecycle management in handling that.  I believe that remains to be 
>explored.  That might be someone's itch to scratch, but I don't think it 
>should distract the project at this point.  I think there are many other 
>pressing matters that require someone with both an itch and the means to 
>scratch it.
> 
>I also think there is some sort of confusion of Qt with respect to Webkit.
>I am not certain what that is.  However, to the degree one is interested
>in moving toward light-weight GUIs that take advantage of the HTML5, CSS,
>and JavaScript support on devices and the cloud, there seem to be more 
>direct avenues that one might consider for AOO, although I for one am
>completely ignorant of what that would disrupt in the current AOO 
>architecture and source-code structures.
> 
>Squirrel !;<).
> 
> 
> 
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Formula to step through sheets in a file?

[ouch]

Is it possible to make a formula that steps through the sheets in it or another 
file without knowing each sheets name?

I know scripting can do it, but I was wondering if there was a way to define 
sheets by an number or something... So if I wanted to do a vlookup on say sheet 
number 3 and have the formula read the 3rd sheet in the file regardless of it's 
name.

I asked this question on forum.openoffice.org and no one could think of a 
formula that would do that. So I thought I would send the idea to you folks.

you can see the thread here:

https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=74817

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Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

[Michal Hriň]

I thing that, is good time to express my frustration in project. Louis is 
perfect candidate for chair, I had oportunity to met him in person, and he is 
so polite, an has new ideas on his mind. 

Everyone of you disaccept nominations, nobody of you didnt nominated candidates 
but all of you disagree.

I m sorry for my broken English.

So if you want new voting, I nominating myself as a chair, as a competitor for 
Louis an Kay?

Stop this discussion about nothing, Louis is a chair for me now, whenever. 

So be thankfull for Louis that wants to do this yob.

And remember, lists are public, so this confusing do not putting a great 
meaning another people.


MH

Louis Suárez-Potts napísal/a:

>
>> On 20 Jan 2015, at 14:41, V Stuart Foote  wrote:
>> 
>> Andrea Pescetti-2 wrote
>>> Do you approve that, in his capacity as the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair, 
>>> Andrea Pescetti submits a resolution to the Board asking to be replaced 
>>> by Louis Suárez-Potts as the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair?
>>> [ ] +1 Yes
>>> [ ]  0 Abstain
>>> [ ] -1 No
>> 
>> -1 No (non-binding)
>> 
>> with apologies to Louis (who no doubt can fill the administrative role as
>> PMC Chair) and to Andrea (for our stringing him along), but it seems there
>> really should be additional vetting of other candidates, including perhaps
>> their views of where the PMC is taking (needs to take) the project--rather
>> than an unopposed and rushed VOTE.
>> 
>> Sorry.
>> 
>> 
>
>Don't be sorry. I agree with you. We clearly ought to have had more discussion 
>prior to voting. But on the bright side… this vote, the weirdness of it (what, 
>just one candidate, and haven't we seen him before?), all this led to more 
>engagement and, I hope, I really hope, yet more the next round. 
>
>louis
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Re: development of a screenplay writer

[Kay Schenk]

On 01/20/2015 05:06 AM, athithya akilan wrote:
>   I am Athithya akilan studying 1st
> year computer science engineering . I want to contribute in open source
> projects . I am going to develop an open source software for screen play
> writing with multiple language support . I have one year of coding
> experience in c++ . I have chosen apache as my base and i would like to
> proceed with it . So i need access for apache's source code . I request
> your help for  my first open source project . Will be waiting for your
> reply .
> 
Information on how to obtain our source code is here:
http://openoffice.apache.org/source.html

I'm not sure what a project like this would involve but you might be
able to do it through some rather sophisticated templates with Writer.

More information:
http://www.openoffice.org/extensions/index.html

We're here to help in any case. Keep in touch.



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Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

[Regina Henschel]

Hi all,

+1

Kind regards
Regina

Andrea Pescetti schrieb:

On 31 December 2014 I wrote to this list that I would be available to
resign from the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair position as soon as a
successor could be elected. We had nominations and long discussions and
in the end we have one candidate available to be the next OpenOffice PMC
Chair: Louis Suárez-Potts. It's now time to vote.

Do you approve that, in his capacity as the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair,
Andrea Pescetti submits a resolution to the Board asking to be replaced
by Louis Suárez-Potts as the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair?
[ ] +1 Yes
[ ]  0 Abstain
[ ] -1 No

Vote opens now and it will last one week (and a few hours), until 22
January 2015 10:00 AM GMT, to give all community members the opportunity
to participate. If vote passes, the resolution will be submitted to the
Board in time for the February meeting (18 February 2015).

Regards,
   Andrea.

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Attend Conservancy Supporter Night on Friday before FOSDEM 2015! - Software Freedom Conservancy

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

https://sfconservancy.org/news/2015/jan/20/supporter-night-2015/

The SF Conservancy event listed above is bound to attract interesting people. 
If you are in the area—I'm talking Fosdem—try to find yourself there!

Cheers,
Louis
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Build breaks in Curl

[郄宁]

Hi,I try to build aoo-4.0.1 and get the error:


Entering /cygdrive/c/build_temp/aoo-4.0.1/main/curl


cd ./wntmsci12/misc/build && cat ../../..//curl-7.19.7.patch 
../../..//curl-7.19.7_win.patch | tr -d "\015" | patch  -p2 && 
C:/cygwin/bin/touch.exe so_patched_so_curl
patching file curl-7.19.7/configure
Hunk #1 succeeded at 4817 (offset 2082 lines).
Hunk #2 succeeded at 8962 with fuzz 2 (offset 5179 lines).
Hunk #3 FAILED at 4434.
1 out of 3 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file curl-7.19.7/configure.rej
patching file curl-7.19.7/lib/setup.h
Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
Apply anyway? [n]
Skipping patch.
1 out of 1 hunk ignored -- saving rejects to file curl-7.19.7/lib/setup.h.rej
patching file curl-7.19.7/ltmain.sh
Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
Apply anyway? [n]
Skipping patch.
2 out of 2 hunks ignored -- saving rejects to file curl-7.19.7/ltmain.sh.rej
patching file curl-7.19.7/lib/ssh.c
Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
Apply anyway? [n]
Skipping patch.
2 out of 2 hunks ignored -- saving rejects to file curl-7.19.7/lib/ssh.c.rej
patching file curl-7.19.7/lib/Makefile.vc9
Hunk #1 FAILED at 46 (different line endings).
1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file 
curl-7.19.7/lib/Makefile.vc9.rej
dmake:  Error code 1, while making './wntmsci12/misc/build/so_patched_so_curl'


1 module(s):
curl
need(s) to be rebuilt


Reason(s):


ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making 
/cygdrive/c/build_temp/aoo-4.0.1/main/curl


When you have fixed the errors in that module you can resume the build by 
running:


build --all:curl
--
It is patch 2.7.1


Kind regards

Question about partial build with debug

[aronsoyol]

Hi all

Hi I want to partial build a debuggable dll for sw module

First, I did a entire build on Windows with configure switches:

./configure \
--with-cl-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files (x86)/Microsoft Visual Studio
9.0/VC" \
--with-midl-path="/cygdrive/c/Program Files (x86)/Microsoft
SDKs/Windows/v7.0A/Bin" \
--with-frame-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files (x86)/Microsoft
SDKs/Windows/v7.0A" \
--with-asm-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files (x86)/Microsoft Visual Studio
9.0/VC/Bin" \
--with-csc-path="/cygdrive/c/Windows/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v3.5" \
--with-ant-home=/cygdrive/E/lo/apache-ant-1.9.4 \
--with-jdk-home=/cygdrive/E/lo/jdk1.7.0_71 \
--with-nsis-path="/cygdrive/c/Program Files (x86)/NSIS" \
--without-junit \
--disable-directx \
--disable-atl \
--disable-activex \
--disable-nss-module \
--enable-category-b

Then I did

cd instsetoo_native
build --from sw --prepare
build debug=t --html --from sw

And copied new sw.dll into install directory then attached visual studio,
but vs could not stopped at any break point.
I don' t know where was wrong and how should I do.

Best regards.

-- 
Aron

RE: Question about partial build with debug

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

You probably need to build an .exe that uses that DLL.  You need something that 
will call entry points in the DLL so you can debug into them.  Do you already 
have something for that?

You will need to somehow tie that to the sourcecode of the DLL and whatever 
debug information was provided when the files that create the .obj files it 
contains were compiled.  

You might be able to figure that out by finding the makefiles and such that get 
you just sw.dll in the generated build structure.

 - Dennis 

-Original Message-
From: aronsoyol [mailto:aronso...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 18:44
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Question about partial build with debug

Hi all

Hi I want to partial build a debuggable dll for sw module

First, I did a entire build on Windows with configure switches:

[ ... ]

Then I did

cd instsetoo_native
build --from sw --prepare
build debug=t --html --from sw

And copied new sw.dll into install directory then attached visual studio,
but vs could not stopped at any break point.
I don' t know where was wrong and how should I do.

Best regards.

-- 
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Re: Question about partial build with debug

[aronsoyol]

>
> You probably need to build an .exe that uses that DLL.  You need something
> that will call entry points in the DLL so you can debug into them.  Do you
> already have something for that?

Are you saying soffice.exe or soffice.bin, I attached VS to soffice.bin, Do
you mean that I should rebuild soffice.exe or soffice.bin with debug=true


2015-01-21 12:21 GMT+09:00 Dennis E. Hamilton :

> You probably need to build an .exe that uses that DLL.  You need something
> that will call entry points in the DLL so you can debug into them.  Do you
> already have something for that?
>
> You will need to somehow tie that to the sourcecode of the DLL and
> whatever debug information was provided when the files that create the .obj
> files it contains were compiled.
>
> You might be able to figure that out by finding the makefiles and such
> that get you just sw.dll in the generated build structure.
>
>  - Dennis
>
> -Original Message-
> From: aronsoyol [mailto:aronso...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 18:44
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Question about partial build with debug
>
> Hi all
>
> Hi I want to partial build a debuggable dll for sw module
>
> First, I did a entire build on Windows with configure switches:
>
> [ ... ]
>
> Then I did
>
> cd instsetoo_native
> build --from sw --prepare
> build debug=t --html --from sw
>
> And copied new sw.dll into install directory then attached visual studio,
> but vs could not stopped at any break point.
> I don' t know where was wrong and how should I do.
>
> Best regards.
>
> --
> Aron
>
>
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Re: Question about partial build with debug

[Ariel Constenla-Haile]

Hi Aron,

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 11:44:00AM +0900, aronsoyol wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> Hi I want to partial build a debuggable dll for sw module
> 
> First, I did a entire build on Windows with configure switches:
> 
> ./configure \
> --with-cl-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files (x86)/Microsoft Visual Studio
> 9.0/VC" \
> --with-midl-path="/cygdrive/c/Program Files (x86)/Microsoft
> SDKs/Windows/v7.0A/Bin" \
> --with-frame-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files (x86)/Microsoft
> SDKs/Windows/v7.0A" \
> --with-asm-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files (x86)/Microsoft Visual Studio
> 9.0/VC/Bin" \
> --with-csc-path="/cygdrive/c/Windows/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v3.5" \
> --with-ant-home=/cygdrive/E/lo/apache-ant-1.9.4 \
> --with-jdk-home=/cygdrive/E/lo/jdk1.7.0_71 \
> --with-nsis-path="/cygdrive/c/Program Files (x86)/NSIS" \
> --without-junit \
> --disable-directx \
> --disable-atl \
> --disable-activex \
> --disable-nss-module \
> --enable-category-b

Add --disable-strip-solver and --with-package-format="installed"

--disable-strip-solver is needed because debugging symbols are stripped
when delivering from the module to the solver

--with-package-format="installed" will produce a ready-to-use folder in
main/instsetoo_native//Apache_OpenOffice/installed/install/en-US/
Move that installation to another place closer to C:\ so that you don't
have to type all the path. Then rebuild the modules you need with
debugging symbols, and copy the libraries in the program folder of the
installation.

> Then I did
> 
> cd instsetoo_native
> build --from sw --prepare
> build debug=t --html --from sw
> 
> And copied new sw.dll into install directory then attached visual studio,
> but vs could not stopped at any break point.
> I don' t know where was wrong and how should I do.

Most likely that symbols are stripped.  Build with package-format
installed; once finished, move the installation to the place where you
will used it; then, the easiest is to rebuild with debugging symbols
*only* the needed modules, inside the module, not in instsetoo_native
with build --from.

cd main/sw
make -srj3 clean
make -srj3 DEBUG=yes

If the module is converted to gbuild, like sw, copy the libraries from
the solver (main/solver/<420>//workdir/LinkTarget/Library) to
/program

If the module is an old dmake based module:

cd 
rm -rf 
build debug=true dbglevel=3 && deliver

Then just copy the libraries from //lib|bin or from
the solver (main/solver/<420>//bin|lib)


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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RE: Question about partial build with debug

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

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From: aronsoyol [mailto:aronso...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 19:50
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; dennis.hamil...@acm.org
Subject: Re: Question about partial build with debug

>
> You probably need to build an .exe that uses that DLL.  You need something
> that will call entry points in the DLL so you can debug into them.  Do you
> already have something for that?

Are you saying soffice.exe or soffice.bin, I attached VS to soffice.bin, Do
you mean that I should rebuild soffice.exe or soffice.bin with debug=true


   Well, rebuilding soffice.exe with debug might certainly do it.
   I guess I need to wonder why you are building a standalone sw.dll?
   What is it you hope to learn?  Why are you using a debugger on it?

   If you want to inspect its operation, you need to have something that
   binds to that shared library and uses functions it exposes.
   Writing some sort of test or demonstration program would do that.  

   That is always my first thought.  I should have asked what you were
   up to first.  Sorry.



2015-01-21 12:21 GMT+09:00 Dennis E. Hamilton :

> You probably need to build an .exe that uses that DLL.  You need something
> that will call entry points in the DLL so you can debug into them.  Do you
> already have something for that?
>
> You will need to somehow tie that to the sourcecode of the DLL and
> whatever debug information was provided when the files that create the .obj
> files it contains were compiled.
>
> You might be able to figure that out by finding the makefiles and such
> that get you just sw.dll in the generated build structure.
>
>  - Dennis
>
> -Original Message-
> From: aronsoyol [mailto:aronso...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 18:44
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Question about partial build with debug
>
> Hi all
>
> Hi I want to partial build a debuggable dll for sw module
>
> First, I did a entire build on Windows with configure switches:
>
> [ ... ]


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Re: Question about partial build with debug

[Ariel Constenla-Haile]

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 12:50:09PM +0900, aronsoyol wrote:
> >
> > You probably need to build an .exe that uses that DLL.  You need something
> > that will call entry points in the DLL so you can debug into them.  Do you
> > already have something for that?
> 
> Are you saying soffice.exe or soffice.bin, I attached VS to soffice.bin, Do
> you mean that I should rebuild soffice.exe or soffice.bin with debug=true

You are right, you need to attach the debugger to soffice.bin, not
soffice.exe, and there is no need to build them with debugging symbols,
just the modules you want to debug (in case you want to debug them, they
are built on main/desktop).


Regards
-- 
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La Plata, Argentina


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Re: Question about partial build with debug

[aronsoyol]

Thank you very much, I' ll try it.

2015-01-21 13:28 GMT+09:00 Ariel Constenla-Haile :

> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 12:50:09PM +0900, aronsoyol wrote:
> > >
> > > You probably need to build an .exe that uses that DLL.  You need
> something
> > > that will call entry points in the DLL so you can debug into them.  Do
> you
> > > already have something for that?
> >
> > Are you saying soffice.exe or soffice.bin, I attached VS to soffice.bin,
> Do
> > you mean that I should rebuild soffice.exe or soffice.bin with debug=true
>
> You are right, you need to attach the debugger to soffice.bin, not
> soffice.exe, and there is no need to build them with debugging symbols,
> just the modules you want to debug (in case you want to debug them, they
> are built on main/desktop).
>
>
> Regards
> --
> Ariel Constenla-Haile
> La Plata, Argentina
>



-- 
Aron

[CANCEL] Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 15/01/2015 Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Do you approve that, in his capacity as the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair,
Andrea Pescetti submits a resolution to the Board asking to be replaced
by Louis Suárez-Potts as the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair?
[ ] +1 Yes
[ ]  0 Abstain
[ ] -1 No


This vote is canceled, after discussion with Louis. It is clear that we 
as a community can't have consensus on this matter, and computing the 
tally would be useless.


I'll take one or two days to explore other options before coming back 
here with proposals.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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