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[VCLAuto] Documentation of FVT

[Raphael Bircher]

Hi at all, mainly to China and Herbert ;-)

I working on the VCL Auto scripts. There is a detailed documentation for 
the BVT on http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/BVT . Exist samething 
similar to the FVT? I haven't found it.


Thanks for your information and best whishs for the week from Switzerland.

Greetings Raphael

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Re: Mentor a new build system.

[Andre Fischer]

On 12.10.2013 23:33, Dave Fisher wrote:

Perhaps you will unlock the path to a digitally signed build for Windows. That 
would be huge!

I don't think that that is a shortcoming of the build system (which has 
many).  It is more a restriction on the administrative side of 
OpenOffice and Apache.


-Andre

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Re: Problem with building branch l10n40 on MacOS

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 10/12/13 9:36 PM, janI wrote:
> On 11 October 2013 10:20, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:
> 
>> On 10/11/13 9:46 AM, janI wrote:
>>> On 11 October 2013 09:39, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:
 Hi Jan,

 I will change my config setting to continue but you should take a look
 on --genPO swtich


 Entering /Users/jsc/dev/svn/l10n40/main/moz

 mkout -- version: 1.8
 dmake:  Error: -- Don't know how to make `genPO'

 1 module(s):
 moz
 need(s) to be rebuilt

 Reason(s):

 ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making
>> /Users/jsc/dev/svn/l10n40/main/moz

 When you have fixed the errors in that module you can resume the build
 by running:

 build --all:moz

>>> I am confused:
>>>
>>> yes dave? build --genPO
>>> build -- version: 275224
>>>
>>>
>>> =
>>> Building module moz
>>> =
>>>
>>> Entering /share/opensource/aoo/branches/l10n40/main/moz
>>>
>>>
>>> Entering /share/opensource/aoo/branches/l10n40/main/moz/zipped
>>>
>>>
>>> Can it have something to do with the config settings:
>>> ./configure --with-jdk-home=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk \
>>> --with-epm-url="
>> http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/ooo-extras/downloads/detail?name=3ade8cfe7e59ca8e65052644fed9fca4-epm-3.7-source.tar.gz&can=2&q=epm-3.7.tar.gz
>> "
>>> \
>>> --with-dmake-url=
>> http://dmake.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2
>>> \
>>> --enable-verbose \
>>> --enable-category-b \
>>> --enable-dbus \
>>> --enable-gstreamer \
>>> --enable-bundled-dictionaries \
>>> --enable-opengl \
>>> --with-lang="da en-US es" \
>>> --with-package-format="rpm deb" \
>>> --with-vendor="jani local build"
>>>
>>> rgds
>>> jan I.
>>
>> I use normally "--disable-build-mozilla" and use the prebuild moz files
>> on MacOS
>>
>> Now I have disabled mozilla completely. hdu is working on removing moz
>> on MacOS completely.
>>
> 
> I found the problem in moz and have corrected it (it would also show up on
> some other platforms).
> 
> I also found the problem with help_simpress.pot (R1531582), I had forgotten
> to update the pot file after I corrected an error in genLang.
> 
> Right now I have a pseudo problem, when genLang changes all pot files
> should be remade, but that does not happen automatically (no dependency)
> and with the current build system is not something easy to change.

if this remains the only problem we can live with it quite well ;-)

Juergen

> 
> But its still nice to know, that you can build l10ntools and run build
> --genPO on your and get same result as me on ubuntu. We are slowly getting
> forward.
> 
> rgds
> jan I.
> 
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>>>

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Re: Mentor a new build system.

[janI]

Sorry for top posting.

There seems to be some confusion, about the project.

The goal is not to replace the current system (this is only a potential
long time goal). The goal is to make a parallel build system suited for
windows developers, and then in a second phase generate makefiles for linux.

In the beginning of this thread I posted information, which is repeated
below:
==

Project

SVN Branch:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branches/capstone2013

Motivation

AOO’s current build system is old, non-standard, hard to understand, and
undocumented. To attract new developers, Apache Software Foundation would
like to create a new/modern build system.

Objectives

   1.

   Develop a build system for Microsoft Visual Studio (Windows), and Linux.
   Focus on making Windows development easy.
   2.

   Implement the new build system in parallel with the current build system.
   3.

   Help test the new new build system.


Deliverables

   1.

   “How to” report before programming.
   2. In June, a build system capable of generating AOO in Windows and in
   Linux


===
I have also made a wiki page (also published earlier):
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Build_System_Analysis:capstone2013_windows_build

I encourage everyone to participate in the discussions.

rgds
jan I.



On 14 October 2013 09:26, Andre Fischer  wrote:

> On 12.10.2013 23:33, Dave Fisher wrote:
>
>> Perhaps you will unlock the path to a digitally signed build for Windows.
>> That would be huge!
>>
>>  I don't think that that is a shortcoming of the build system (which has
> many).  It is more a restriction on the administrative side of OpenOffice
> and Apache.
>
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Re: Mentor a new build system.

[Andre Fischer]

On 11.10.2013 18:10, janI wrote:

Hi.

FYI: as I informed a while ago, I made a project proposal for OSU capstone.

The project has been selected, so we will have 4 students working the next
months to achieve the following:


That is great news.  Thank you for pushing this forward.



http://eecs.oregonstate.edu/capstone/viewproposal2013.php?id=16

extract from above:

motivation:
"Apache OpenOffice is the biggest open source office package, with 65
milllion downloads of our last version. A number of other open source
packages are derived from OpenOffice, and incorporates patches and
enhancements from AOO.
The AOO source code is very big, 121 languages, 233 modules and 2933
makefiles (including sub-makefiles). As programming platform, we use C++
(bulk part), Java, Python, Perl and some special libraries
The build system is old, a combination of perl and dmake, and has grown
over the years into a non standard, hard to understand non documented
system.
At the same time, we want to attract more developers, therefore we want to
make a new build system based on modern technology, which are easy to use
especially for windows developers."

goal:
"The goal is to:
1) make a build system suitable for use with microsoft visual studio
2) make a build system suitable for use on linux (makefiles)
One of those systems should be the primary one and the other one should be
automatically generated.


I am not happy with that last sentence.   When there is one 'primary' 
flavor of the build system, then that tends to get much more attention 
than the other flavors.  This happened with both build system that we 
have.  They heavily tend to the Unix side and are slow and hard to use 
on Windows.
I think that we should treat our major platforms (Windows, Linux and 
Mac) equal.



The team must first understand how the current system works in general, and
then build scenarios how a \\\"perfect\\\" system
would look like.
Second task is to implement it, in parallel with the existing system
Third task is to help test it on the different platforms we support. "


I will mentor the students, but hope that the community will be behind me
and help as well. If the students turn out to be motivated they can, as
volunteers and committers, be a real bonus for the project.

Another apache committer who lives close to the OSU have promised to help
me as well.

I am aware there are very different ideas about how a new build system
should look like, but lets use this possibility to get moving, if the
result works it cannot be less "nice" than the current system.


I hope that you are right.  But the our second build system proves that 
just working does not necessarily result in an improvement. But I don't 
want to sound too negative.  This project is a great start and I believe 
that you and the students and our community will be able to improve the 
build system greatly.




are anybody with knowledge of build.pl etc. interested in helping out ?


As you know, I have already done some reasearch in this area and I would 
be glad to help.


Regards
Andre

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Re: Apache OpenOffice Meetup Switzerland

[Raphael Bircher]

Hi Guy

Am 12.10.13 06:58, schrieb Guy Waterval:

Sorry for confusion.
I will say ethz for 2014 and Epfl for 2015 or 2016.
I'm not sure if we talk about the same thing. I talk about a small 
meetup and not about a conference. So a restaurant would probabily be 
better.


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Re: Mentor a new build system.

[janI]

On 14 October 2013 09:38, Andre Fischer  wrote:

> On 11.10.2013 18:10, janI wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> FYI: as I informed a while ago, I made a project proposal for OSU
>> capstone.
>>
>> The project has been selected, so we will have 4 students working the next
>> months to achieve the following:
>>
>
> That is great news.  Thank you for pushing this forward.
>
>
>
>> http://eecs.oregonstate.edu/**capstone/viewproposal2013.php?**id=16
>>
>> extract from above:
>>
>> motivation:
>> "Apache OpenOffice is the biggest open source office package, with 65
>> milllion downloads of our last version. A number of other open source
>> packages are derived from OpenOffice, and incorporates patches and
>> enhancements from AOO.
>> The AOO source code is very big, 121 languages, 233 modules and 2933
>> makefiles (including sub-makefiles). As programming platform, we use C++
>> (bulk part), Java, Python, Perl and some special libraries
>> The build system is old, a combination of perl and dmake, and has grown
>> over the years into a non standard, hard to understand non documented
>> system.
>> At the same time, we want to attract more developers, therefore we want to
>> make a new build system based on modern technology, which are easy to use
>> especially for windows developers."
>>
>> goal:
>> "The goal is to:
>> 1) make a build system suitable for use with microsoft visual studio
>> 2) make a build system suitable for use on linux (makefiles)
>> One of those systems should be the primary one and the other one should be
>> automatically generated.
>>
>
> I am not happy with that last sentence.   When there is one 'primary'
> flavor of the build system, then that tends to get much more attention than
> the other flavors.  This happened with both build system that we have.
>  They heavily tend to the Unix side and are slow and hard to use on Windows.
> I think that we should treat our major platforms (Windows, Linux and Mac)
> equal.
>

I happen to agree with you, but I missed words. I want to use visual studio
solutions on windows and makefiles on Linux. Mac can be either/or (I dont
have enough experience here).

The visual studio project files happens to be XML, meaning its relative
easy to add tags that will be needed for makefiles.

Looking in the long term, I think we will end up with "neutral" XML files
and generate the platform files from that, but I need a kickstarter, so
maybe the correct wording would be "We make one system first, looking at
the demands of the other systems, and then later expand".


>
>  The team must first understand how the current system works in general,
>> and
>> then build scenarios how a \\\"perfect\\\**"
>> system
>> would look like.
>> Second task is to implement it, in parallel with the existing system
>> Third task is to help test it on the different platforms we support. "
>>
>>
>> I will mentor the students, but hope that the community will be behind me
>> and help as well. If the students turn out to be motivated they can, as
>> volunteers and committers, be a real bonus for the project.
>>
>> Another apache committer who lives close to the OSU have promised to help
>> me as well.
>>
>> I am aware there are very different ideas about how a new build system
>> should look like, but lets use this possibility to get moving, if the
>> result works it cannot be less "nice" than the current system.
>>
>
> I hope that you are right.  But the our second build system proves that
> just working does not necessarily result in an improvement. But I don't
> want to sound too negative.  This project is a great start and I believe
> that you and the students and our community will be able to improve the
> build system greatly.


I have been thinking a lot about this, and I am afraid if we try to use the
all-embracing system (like gbuild) we will die before we can show anything.
But I am sure you and others will help keep me and the project on a track
where it can be generally used.


>
>
>
>> are anybody with knowledge of build.pl etc. interested in helping out ?
>>
>
> As you know, I have already done some reasearch in this area and I would
> be glad to help.
>
Noted. The schedule right now it to make brainstorming on wiki ending up in
a project plan.

BUT I see this project as a kickstarter, NOT as THE new system. I am sure
we will have plenty of work after the project.

rgds
jan I.


>
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>
> Andre
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Re: Mentor a new build system.

[Andre Fischer]

On 14.10.2013 09:38, janI wrote:

Sorry for top posting.

There seems to be some confusion, about the project.

The goal is not to replace the current system (this is only a potential
long time goal). The goal is to make a parallel build system suited for
windows developers, and then in a second phase generate makefiles for linux.


Now I am confused :-)  Can you tell us more about the goal of the new 
build system?  Is it an improvement of building speed (or reduction of 
time to build), increase the ease of use, or make the system better 
understandable to developers.


An increase of the build speed would be great on Windows but hardly 
possible or necessary on Linux.


Can you tell us how we can manage a third (and possibly a fourth) build 
system when today we have problems maintaining two?


Again, I don't want to sound too negative or discourage you.  I just 
want to understand what you have in mind.


-Andre



In the beginning of this thread I posted information, which is repeated
below:
==

Project

SVN Branch:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branches/capstone2013

Motivation

AOO’s current build system is old, non-standard, hard to understand, and
undocumented. To attract new developers, Apache Software Foundation would
like to create a new/modern build system.

Objectives

1.

Develop a build system for Microsoft Visual Studio (Windows), and Linux.
Focus on making Windows development easy.
2.

Implement the new build system in parallel with the current build system.
3.

Help test the new new build system.


Deliverables

1.

“How to” report before programming.
2. In June, a build system capable of generating AOO in Windows and in
Linux


===
I have also made a wiki page (also published earlier):
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Build_System_Analysis:capstone2013_windows_build

I encourage everyone to participate in the discussions.

rgds
jan I.



On 14 October 2013 09:26, Andre Fischer  wrote:


On 12.10.2013 23:33, Dave Fisher wrote:


Perhaps you will unlock the path to a digitally signed build for Windows.
That would be huge!

  I don't think that that is a shortcoming of the build system (which has

many).  It is more a restriction on the administrative side of OpenOffice
and Apache.

-Andre


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Re: Mentor a new build system.

[janI]

On 14 October 2013 10:00, Andre Fischer  wrote:

> On 14.10.2013 09:38, janI wrote:
>
>> Sorry for top posting.
>>
>> There seems to be some confusion, about the project.
>>
>> The goal is not to replace the current system (this is only a potential
>> long time goal). The goal is to make a parallel build system suited for
>> windows developers, and then in a second phase generate makefiles for
>> linux.
>>
>
> Now I am confused :-)  Can you tell us more about the goal of the new
> build system?  Is it an improvement of building speed (or reduction of time
> to build), increase the ease of use, or make the system better
> understandable to developers.
>

Sorry for confusing you. Maybe my problem is that I see things in stages.

I see it like this:
Stage 1) Make a visual studio based build system, suitable for windows
developers, and to proof it is possible.
Stage 2) Take a long discussion in here, on how this system can/should be
expanded to cover all our platforms
 just for the discussion, assume my ideas are the outcome of 2)
Stage 3) Expand 1) to make it cover all our platforms
Stage 4) Enable it so that we on linux use standard build mechanisms (e.g.
make) enabling us to be part of standard distributions.
Stage 5) Remove the current build system.

The project I mentor right now, primeraly covers stage 1) and if time
permit part of 2) and 3).


> An increase of the build speed would be great on Windows but hardly
> possible or necessary on Linux.
>
agreed.

>
> Can you tell us how we can manage a third (and possibly a fourth) build
> system when today we have problems maintaining two?
>
Yes, we keep it in the branch until we want to replace the 2 others OR if
we agree live with a third system for a short period of time (this should
only be done, if we see a path and have resources to complete the remaining
steps).

>
> Again, I don't want to sound too negative or discourage you.  I just want
> to understand what you have in mind.
>
Which is very fair. It was a pleasant surprise to me, that the project was
selected, so now we have start working, and I dont have all the answers
right now, just a direction.

I hope this clarifies some of your confusion, its important that we all
have the same view.

I am sorry for trying to take small steps, but integrating genLang have
shown me a lot of the difficulties ahead, and I made a positive decision
not to try to change the current system, that would have been too complex
(at least for me).

rgds
jan I.

rgds
jan I.


>
> -Andre
>
>
>> In the beginning of this thread I posted information, which is repeated
>> below:
>> ==
>>
>> Project
>>
>> SVN Branch:
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/**asf/openoffice/branches/**capstone2013
>>
>> Motivation
>>
>> AOO’s current build system is old, non-standard, hard to understand, and
>> undocumented. To attract new developers, Apache Software Foundation would
>> like to create a new/modern build system.
>>
>> Objectives
>>
>> 1.
>>
>>
>> Develop a build system for Microsoft Visual Studio (Windows), and
>> Linux.
>> Focus on making Windows development easy.
>> 2.
>>
>> Implement the new build system in parallel with the current build
>> system.
>> 3.
>>
>> Help test the new new build system.
>>
>>
>> Deliverables
>>
>> 1.
>>
>>
>> “How to” report before programming.
>> 2. In June, a build system capable of generating AOO in Windows and in
>>
>> Linux
>>
>>
>> ===
>> I have also made a wiki page (also published earlier):
>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Build_System_Analysis:**
>> capstone2013_windows_build
>>
>> I encourage everyone to participate in the discussions.
>>
>> rgds
>> jan I.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 14 October 2013 09:26, Andre Fischer  wrote:
>>
>>  On 12.10.2013 23:33, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>
>>>  Perhaps you will unlock the path to a digitally signed build for
 Windows.
 That would be huge!

   I don't think that that is a shortcoming of the build system (which
 has

>>> many).  It is more a restriction on the administrative side of OpenOffice
>>> and Apache.
>>>
>>> -Andre
>>>
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source code

[Yatharth Deoly]

Sir,
As I can't find the source code for the OpenOffice.org.
So please can you send me the files of the source code of Openoffice.org to
me.
I will be so thankful of you if you consider my mail.
Thnaks
Yatharth

[Call For QA Volunteers][Accessibility] AOO IAccessible2 testing work

[Steve Yin]

Hi all,

The AOO IAccessible2 migration dev work will be done in a few days. We need
QA volunteers to join the testing work and ensure the migration quality.

The source can be get from here:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branches/ia2
The Windows build can be get from here:
http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/#w7ia2

If you are interested in the AOO IAccessible2 testing work, please reply
this mail. Thanks.

-- 
Best Regards,

Steve Yin

Re : [Call For QA Volunteers][Accessibility] AOO IAccessible2 testing work

[mengualjeanphi]

Hi,

accelibreinfo (organization) and myself are interested in testing this 
evolution. Are there some precise criteria for QA? Some reference point? Anyway 
I will do tests and do feedbacks but do not hesitate to tell me if the feedback 
should have a particular form and method so that I forget nothing.

I am so available, do not hesitate to tell me if you need particular tests and 
feedbacks.

Sincerely,

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À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Envoyé: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:24:58 +0200 (CEST)
Objet: [Call For QA Volunteers][Accessibility] AOO IAccessible2 testing work

Hi all,

The AOO IAccessible2 migration dev work will be done in a few days. We need
QA volunteers to join the testing work and ensure the migration quality.

The source can be get from here:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branches/ia2
The Windows build can be get from here:
http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/#w7ia2

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Re: Mentor a new build system.

[Andre Fischer]

On 14.10.2013 10:12, janI wrote:

On 14 October 2013 10:00, Andre Fischer  wrote:


On 14.10.2013 09:38, janI wrote:


Sorry for top posting.

There seems to be some confusion, about the project.

The goal is not to replace the current system (this is only a potential
long time goal). The goal is to make a parallel build system suited for
windows developers, and then in a second phase generate makefiles for
linux.


Now I am confused :-)  Can you tell us more about the goal of the new
build system?  Is it an improvement of building speed (or reduction of time
to build), increase the ease of use, or make the system better
understandable to developers.


Sorry for confusing you. Maybe my problem is that I see things in stages.


Don't be sorry.  I have been to too many mathematics lectures to mind 
being a little confused :-)




I see it like this:
Stage 1) Make a visual studio based build system, suitable for windows
developers, and to proof it is possible.
Stage 2) Take a long discussion in here, on how this system can/should be
expanded to cover all our platforms
 just for the discussion, assume my ideas are the outcome of 2)
Stage 3) Expand 1) to make it cover all our platforms
Stage 4) Enable it so that we on linux use standard build mechanisms (e.g.
make) enabling us to be part of standard distributions.
Stage 5) Remove the current build system.

The project I mentor right now, primeraly covers stage 1) and if time
permit part of 2) and 3).


Thanks for the explanation.  I understand your approach a little better now.
Just one more question.  Do you have something in mind for 1) like CMake 
where you have a description of WHAT to build and then derive from that 
a set of files (Makefiles for Unix, or a Visual Studio solution file) 
that define HOW to build?







An increase of the build speed would be great on Windows but hardly
possible or necessary on Linux.


agreed.


Can you tell us how we can manage a third (and possibly a fourth) build
system when today we have problems maintaining two?


Yes, we keep it in the branch until we want to replace the 2 others OR if
we agree live with a third system for a short period of time (this should
only be done, if we see a path and have resources to complete the remaining
steps).


Again, I don't want to sound too negative or discourage you.  I just want
to understand what you have in mind.


Which is very fair. It was a pleasant surprise to me, that the project was
selected, so now we have start working, and I dont have all the answers
right now, just a direction.

I hope this clarifies some of your confusion, its important that we all
have the same view.

I am sorry for trying to take small steps, but integrating genLang have
shown me a lot of the difficulties ahead, and I made a positive decision
not to try to change the current system, that would have been too complex
(at least for me).


It is perfectly OK to take small steps.   That is maybe the only way to 
make any progress in system as complex as our build system.  I would 
like to see you succeed and will help you as good as I can.


-Andre


rgds
jan I.

rgds
jan I.



-Andre



In the beginning of this thread I posted information, which is repeated
below:
==

Project

SVN Branch:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/**asf/openoffice/branches/**capstone2013

Motivation

AOO’s current build system is old, non-standard, hard to understand, and
undocumented. To attract new developers, Apache Software Foundation would
like to create a new/modern build system.

Objectives

 1.


 Develop a build system for Microsoft Visual Studio (Windows), and
Linux.
 Focus on making Windows development easy.
 2.

 Implement the new build system in parallel with the current build
system.
 3.

 Help test the new new build system.


Deliverables

 1.


 “How to” report before programming.
 2. In June, a build system capable of generating AOO in Windows and in

 Linux


===
I have also made a wiki page (also published earlier):
http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Build_System_Analysis:**
capstone2013_windows_build

I encourage everyone to participate in the discussions.

rgds
jan I.



On 14 October 2013 09:26, Andre Fischer  wrote:

  On 12.10.2013 23:33, Dave Fisher wrote:

  Perhaps you will unlock the path to a digitally signed build for

Windows.
That would be huge!

   I don't think that that is a shortcoming of the build system (which
has


many).  It is more a restriction on the administrative side of OpenOffice
and Apache.

-Andre


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Re: Re : [Call For QA Volunteers][Accessibility] AOO IAccessible2 testing work

[Steve Yin]

Hi Jean-Philippe,

Thank you for joining us! There are specific checklists for the
accessibility. Their rules will be integrated into specific QA tasks which
will be assigned to QA volunteers.


On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 4:44 PM,  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> accelibreinfo (organization) and myself are interested in testing this
> evolution. Are there some precise criteria for QA? Some reference point?
> Anyway I will do tests and do feedbacks but do not hesitate to tell me if
> the feedback should have a particular form and method so that I forget
> nothing.
>
> I am so available, do not hesitate to tell me if you need particular tests
> and feedbacks.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> - Mail d'origine -
> De: Steve Yin 
> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Envoyé: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:24:58 +0200 (CEST)
> Objet: [Call For QA Volunteers][Accessibility] AOO IAccessible2 testing
> work
>
> Hi all,
>
> The AOO IAccessible2 migration dev work will be done in a few days. We need
> QA volunteers to join the testing work and ensure the migration quality.
>
> The source can be get from here:
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branches/ia2
> The Windows build can be get from here:
> http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/#w7ia2
>
> If you are interested in the AOO IAccessible2 testing work, please reply
> this mail. Thanks.
>
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Re: Mentor a new build system.

[janI]

On 14 October 2013 11:55, Andre Fischer  wrote:

> On 14.10.2013 10:12, janI wrote:
>
>> On 14 October 2013 10:00, Andre Fischer  wrote:
>>
>>  On 14.10.2013 09:38, janI wrote:
>>>
>>>  Sorry for top posting.

 There seems to be some confusion, about the project.

 The goal is not to replace the current system (this is only a potential
 long time goal). The goal is to make a parallel build system suited for
 windows developers, and then in a second phase generate makefiles for
 linux.

  Now I am confused :-)  Can you tell us more about the goal of the new
>>> build system?  Is it an improvement of building speed (or reduction of
>>> time
>>> to build), increase the ease of use, or make the system better
>>> understandable to developers.
>>>
>>>  Sorry for confusing you. Maybe my problem is that I see things in
>> stages.
>>
>
> Don't be sorry.  I have been to too many mathematics lectures to mind
> being a little confused :-)


Do you also happen to be a numeric analysis geek like myself ?


>
>
>
>> I see it like this:
>> Stage 1) Make a visual studio based build system, suitable for windows
>> developers, and to proof it is possible.
>> Stage 2) Take a long discussion in here, on how this system can/should be
>> expanded to cover all our platforms
>>  just for the discussion, assume my ideas are the outcome of 2)
>> Stage 3) Expand 1) to make it cover all our platforms
>> Stage 4) Enable it so that we on linux use standard build mechanisms (e.g.
>> make) enabling us to be part of standard distributions.
>> Stage 5) Remove the current build system.
>>
>> The project I mentor right now, primeraly covers stage 1) and if time
>> permit part of 2) and 3).
>>
>
> Thanks for the explanation.  I understand your approach a little better
> now.
> Just one more question.  Do you have something in mind for 1) like CMake
> where you have a description of WHAT to build and then derive from that a
> set of files (Makefiles for Unix, or a Visual Studio solution file) that
> define HOW to build?
>
> I like the CMake structure, and if you look at the .vproj files you will
see the following structure (high level).

- Description of the project, common directories etc.
- Description of the HOWTO, compiler options etc.
- Description of the WHAT, which files.

Sadly, but true, the structure is nice BUT whenever you have a file
exception, you mix. HOWTO and WHAT.

I believe we can make a proof of concept with the .proj files, then
extent/enhance the XML structure to e.g. get different compiler options
from 1 common file. The end result could be 1 XML file for each module
describing WHAT to make, with WHICH options, and have 1 (or more) XML files
describing the HOWTO.

Having that we can use XSLT to generate Makefile, .proj or a third type of
files. The XSLT would run as part of configure.


>
>
>
>>
>>  An increase of the build speed would be great on Windows but hardly
>>> possible or necessary on Linux.
>>>
>>>  agreed.
>>
>>  Can you tell us how we can manage a third (and possibly a fourth) build
>>> system when today we have problems maintaining two?
>>>
>>>  Yes, we keep it in the branch until we want to replace the 2 others OR
>> if
>> we agree live with a third system for a short period of time (this should
>> only be done, if we see a path and have resources to complete the
>> remaining
>> steps).
>>
>>  Again, I don't want to sound too negative or discourage you.  I just want
>>> to understand what you have in mind.
>>>
>>>  Which is very fair. It was a pleasant surprise to me, that the project
>> was
>> selected, so now we have start working, and I dont have all the answers
>> right now, just a direction.
>>
>> I hope this clarifies some of your confusion, its important that we all
>> have the same view.
>>
>> I am sorry for trying to take small steps, but integrating genLang have
>> shown me a lot of the difficulties ahead, and I made a positive decision
>> not to try to change the current system, that would have been too complex
>> (at least for me).
>>
>
> It is perfectly OK to take small steps.   That is maybe the only way to
> make any progress in system as complex as our build system.  I would like
> to see you succeed and will help you as good as I can.
>

thx for your promise. I am no oracle, and have no perfect solution (then I
had made it), so much of this project is to experiment and find solutions
and for that its good to discuss.

rgds
jan I.


>
> -Andre
>
>  rgds
>> jan I.
>>
>> rgds
>> jan I.
>>
>>
>>  -Andre
>>>
>>>
>>>  In the beginning of this thread I posted information, which is repeated
 below:
 ==

 Project

 SVN Branch:
 https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branches/
 capstone2013
 

Re: source code

[Rob Weir]

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 4:13 AM, Yatharth Deoly  wrote:
> Sir,
> As I can't find the source code for the OpenOffice.org.
> So please can you send me the files of the source code of Openoffice.org to
> me.

>From our mail download page:  http://www.openoffice.org/download/

See the link on the right labeled "source"?

Regards,

-Rob


> I will be so thankful of you if you consider my mail.
> Thnaks
> Yatharth

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Re: CMS diff: Priključite se

[Rob Weir]

Thanks for the patch.  I've committed it and published the revised web page.

-Rob

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Stevanovic Vladislav - Wlada
 wrote:
> Clone URL (Committers only):
> https://cms.apache.org/redirect?new=anonymous;action=diff;uri=http://ooo-site.apache.org/sr-test%2Fparticipate%2Findex.mdtext
>
> Stevanovic Vladislav - Wlada
>
> Index: trunk/content/sr-test/participate/index.mdtext
> ===
> --- trunk/content/sr-test/participate/index.mdtext  (revision 1531770)
> +++ trunk/content/sr-test/participate/index.mdtext  (working copy)
> @@ -81,6 +81,6 @@
>
>
>  [1]: http://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html
> -[2]: http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html/
> +[2]: http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html
>  [3]: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Help+Wanted/
> -[4]: http://openoffice.apache.org/students.html/
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Re: Mentor a new build system.

[Andre Fischer]

On 14.10.2013 13:43, janI wrote:

On 14 October 2013 11:55, Andre Fischer  wrote:


On 14.10.2013 10:12, janI wrote:


On 14 October 2013 10:00, Andre Fischer  wrote:

  On 14.10.2013 09:38, janI wrote:

  Sorry for top posting.

There seems to be some confusion, about the project.

The goal is not to replace the current system (this is only a potential
long time goal). The goal is to make a parallel build system suited for
windows developers, and then in a second phase generate makefiles for
linux.

  Now I am confused :-)  Can you tell us more about the goal of the new

build system?  Is it an improvement of building speed (or reduction of
time
to build), increase the ease of use, or make the system better
understandable to developers.

  Sorry for confusing you. Maybe my problem is that I see things in

stages.


Don't be sorry.  I have been to too many mathematics lectures to mind
being a little confused :-)


Do you also happen to be a numeric analysis geek like myself ?


My mathematical knowledge does not qualify me as geek in that area, but 
being a computer scientist and software developer is probably geekish 
enough.









I see it like this:
Stage 1) Make a visual studio based build system, suitable for windows
developers, and to proof it is possible.
Stage 2) Take a long discussion in here, on how this system can/should be
expanded to cover all our platforms
 just for the discussion, assume my ideas are the outcome of 2)
Stage 3) Expand 1) to make it cover all our platforms
Stage 4) Enable it so that we on linux use standard build mechanisms (e.g.
make) enabling us to be part of standard distributions.
Stage 5) Remove the current build system.

The project I mentor right now, primeraly covers stage 1) and if time
permit part of 2) and 3).


Thanks for the explanation.  I understand your approach a little better
now.
Just one more question.  Do you have something in mind for 1) like CMake
where you have a description of WHAT to build and then derive from that a
set of files (Makefiles for Unix, or a Visual Studio solution file) that
define HOW to build?

I like the CMake structure, and if you look at the .vproj files you will

see the following structure (high level).

- Description of the project, common directories etc.
- Description of the HOWTO, compiler options etc.
- Description of the WHAT, which files.

Sadly, but true, the structure is nice BUT whenever you have a file
exception, you mix. HOWTO and WHAT.

I believe we can make a proof of concept with the .proj files, then
extent/enhance the XML structure to e.g. get different compiler options
from 1 common file. The end result could be 1 XML file for each module
describing WHAT to make, with WHICH options, and have 1 (or more) XML files
describing the HOWTO.

Having that we can use XSLT to generate Makefile, .proj or a third type of
files. The XSLT would run as part of configure.


OK, that sounds good.  But keep in mind that our two existing build 
systems are also following the same approach.  They don't use XML files 
but they both have a separation between WHAT (dmake makefiles per 
directory vs. gbuild makefiles per module) and HOW (makefiles in 
solenv/).  XML files would be easier to read (by a machine) but that 
format would be as non-standard as both our dmake and gbuild files.


But I will shut up now and let you work on it.








  An increase of the build speed would be great on Windows but hardly

possible or necessary on Linux.

  agreed.

  Can you tell us how we can manage a third (and possibly a fourth) build

system when today we have problems maintaining two?

  Yes, we keep it in the branch until we want to replace the 2 others OR

if
we agree live with a third system for a short period of time (this should
only be done, if we see a path and have resources to complete the
remaining
steps).

  Again, I don't want to sound too negative or discourage you.  I just want

to understand what you have in mind.

  Which is very fair. It was a pleasant surprise to me, that the project

was
selected, so now we have start working, and I dont have all the answers
right now, just a direction.

I hope this clarifies some of your confusion, its important that we all
have the same view.

I am sorry for trying to take small steps, but integrating genLang have
shown me a lot of the difficulties ahead, and I made a positive decision
not to try to change the current system, that would have been too complex
(at least for me).


It is perfectly OK to take small steps.   That is maybe the only way to
make any progress in system as complex as our build system.  I would like
to see you succeed and will help you as good as I can.


thx for your promise. I am no oracle, and have no perfect solution (then I
had made it), so much of this project is to experiment and find solutions
and for that its good to discuss.


Certainly.  Nobody expects perfection.  And taking the occasional wrong 
turn in an experiment is not a problem.


-Andre

Re: CMS diff: Priključite se

[Vladislav Stevanovic]

Hello Rob,

I checked links, everything is OK. You can now publish this as "sr-latn", I
am finished, the job is done. Thanks for your time and efforts.
P.S: What will be with old Serbian AOO site (/sr)? There is a lot
unappropriated links, but there is also and good stuffs on some pages. What
to do about that?

Regards,
Wlada


2013/10/14 Rob Weir 

> Thanks for the patch.  I've committed it and published the revised web
> page.
>
> -Rob
>
> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Stevanovic Vladislav - Wlada
>  wrote:
> > Clone URL (Committers only):
> >
> https://cms.apache.org/redirect?new=anonymous;action=diff;uri=http://ooo-site.apache.org/sr-test%2Fparticipate%2Findex.mdtext
> >
> > Stevanovic Vladislav - Wlada
> >
> > Index: trunk/content/sr-test/participate/index.mdtext
> > ===
> > --- trunk/content/sr-test/participate/index.mdtext  (revision
> 1531770)
> > +++ trunk/content/sr-test/participate/index.mdtext  (working copy)
> > @@ -81,6 +81,6 @@
> >
> >
> >  [1]: http://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html
> > -[2]: http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html/
> > +[2]: http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html
> >  [3]: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Help+Wanted/
> > -[4]: http://openoffice.apache.org/students.html/
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum

[imacat]

On 2013/10/13 17:24, Mr. Phan Anh said:
> @Hagar and Imacat.
> I have already created the new account for the vi forums.
> Please activate it.

I suppose I have grant admin privileges to you.  Please check it.

Drew you may verify if I'd done it correctly.

Besides, I have removed the following three administrators from the
VI forum, as they haven't logged-in since 2010 and 2011: namn, vdquynh
and cumeo89.

I suppose we should remove TerryE, too.  But that is another job.

> 
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 7:47 AM, imacat  wrote:
>> On 2013/10/13 04:46, Hagar Delest said:
>>> I've promoted your account vietnamesel10n to Volunteer status so that
>>> you get access to the admin sections of the forum.
>>>
>>> Now if Drew or imacat can give you admin rights on the VN forum and
>>> unlock it, that would be fine.
>>
>> I have enabled the new account registration for the VI forum.
>> Please register and tell us your account so that we can grant you the
>> admin right.
>>
>>>
>>> Hagar
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 12/10/2013 16:32, Mr. Phan Anh a écrit :
>>>
 1. Sorry Guys especially Andrea, Hagar for this email of being late
 for response.
 I was on vacation last month.
 So:
 2. I have registered an account at the openoffice English Forums.
 the account is: vietnamesel
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Re: My problem with site extensions

[Roberto Galoppini]

2013/10/13 Anton Meixome :
> I have made a error when I was preparing a new release for galician 
> spellchecker
>
> http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/corrector-ortografico-hunspell-para-galego
>
> The extensión is now unplublished and I fetch the below message
>
>   This extension is currently not published, please contact the system
>   administrator at aooad...@users.sourceforge.net to have it published.
>
> Can somebody fix it? I want my extension returns :-)

fFxed


> And also, if you can leave me some updates links for explanation about
> commit the hunspell files for native integration it will be usefull


Best thing to do would probably be writing to the Localization Mailing
List http://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html.

Roberto

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Re: CMS diff: Priključite se

[Rob Weir]

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Vladislav Stevanovic
 wrote:
> Hello Rob,
>
> I checked links, everything is OK. You can now publish this as "sr-latn", I
> am finished, the job is done. Thanks for your time and efforts.

Excellent.  This is live now:  http://www.openoffice.org/sr-latn/

> P.S: What will be with old Serbian AOO site (/sr)? There is a lot
> unappropriated links, but there is also and good stuffs on some pages. What
> to do about that?
>

Best thing would be to find someone able to update that website or do
a new translation of the /xx files.

Or, we could do what we do for Chinese:

http://www.openoffice.org/zh/

That gives the user the choice to have traditional Chinese or
simplified Chinese.   We could do something similar with the choices
being Cyrillic or Latin script.

-Rob


> Regards,
> Wlada
>
>
> 2013/10/14 Rob Weir 
>
>> Thanks for the patch.  I've committed it and published the revised web
>> page.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Stevanovic Vladislav - Wlada
>>  wrote:
>> > Clone URL (Committers only):
>> >
>> https://cms.apache.org/redirect?new=anonymous;action=diff;uri=http://ooo-site.apache.org/sr-test%2Fparticipate%2Findex.mdtext
>> >
>> > Stevanovic Vladislav - Wlada
>> >
>> > Index: trunk/content/sr-test/participate/index.mdtext
>> > ===
>> > --- trunk/content/sr-test/participate/index.mdtext  (revision
>> 1531770)
>> > +++ trunk/content/sr-test/participate/index.mdtext  (working copy)
>> > @@ -81,6 +81,6 @@
>> >
>> >
>> >  [1]: http://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html
>> > -[2]: http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html/
>> > +[2]: http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html
>> >  [3]: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Help+Wanted/
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Re: Sidebar for Developers

[Andre Fischer]

On 10.10.2013 15:08, Jörg Schmidt wrote:

Hello,
  

From: Andre Fischer [mailto:awf@gmail.com]
As far as I understand our variant of BASIC it is not
possible to create
a BASIC-only extension.  Therefore my idea was to create a Java-BASIC
hybrid where the generic boilerplate code (factory, registration of
services, etc) is written in Java and only the implementation of the
actual panel is provided in BASIC.  But this does not seem to work
either.  But maybe only my knowledge of OpenOffice BASIC is
not good enough.

The Java-only solution that DOES work can probably be easily
adopted to
other languages with proper UNO binding.

I think I understand what you mean, because I know of similar solutions.

Do you see a chance, we will discuss the details in German [*] and only the 
final
result again in English, here on the mailinglist?


Sure, we can discuss this in German off-list.  I would prefer an 
asynchronous medium, like email.


-Andre



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Re: Sidebar for Developers

[Andre Fischer]

On 14.10.2013 17:08, Andre Fischer wrote:

On 10.10.2013 15:08, Jörg Schmidt wrote:

Hello,

From: Andre Fischer [mailto:awf@gmail.com]
As far as I understand our variant of BASIC it is not
possible to create
a BASIC-only extension.  Therefore my idea was to create a Java-BASIC
hybrid where the generic boilerplate code (factory, registration of
services, etc) is written in Java and only the implementation of the
actual panel is provided in BASIC.  But this does not seem to work
either.  But maybe only my knowledge of OpenOffice BASIC is
not good enough.

The Java-only solution that DOES work can probably be easily
adopted to
other languages with proper UNO binding.

I think I understand what you mean, because I know of similar solutions.

Do you see a chance, we will discuss the details in German [*] and 
only the final

result again in English, here on the mailinglist?


Sure, we can discuss this in German off-list.  I would prefer an 
asynchronous medium, like email.


That should have been "... German, off-list."



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Re: Apache OpenOffice Meetup Switzerland

[Andrea Pescetti]

Raphael Bircher wrote:

I'm not sure if we talk about the same thing. I talk about a small
meetup and not about a conference. So a restaurant would probabily be
better.


You can combine both: a meeting in a University or a technical schools 
with a couple of presentations and then a more "social" part in a 
restaurant. This way, you have a social moment for existing volunteers 
but you can also attract some new volunteers.


Apache has an "Event in a Box" proposal that is now being finalized and 
that you might find useful. Some outdated (for example, the Conference 
Committee does not exist any longer) information:

http://wiki.apache.org/concom-planning/ConComSupportedEvents

Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Mentor a new build system.

[Kay Schenk]

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 12:38 AM, Andre Fischer  wrote:

> On 11.10.2013 18:10, janI wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> FYI: as I informed a while ago, I made a project proposal for OSU
>> capstone.
>>
>> The project has been selected, so we will have 4 students working the next
>> months to achieve the following:
>>
>
> That is great news.  Thank you for pushing this forward.
>
>
>
>> http://eecs.oregonstate.edu/**capstone/viewproposal2013.php?**id=16
>>
>> extract from above:
>>
>> motivation:
>> "Apache OpenOffice is the biggest open source office package, with 65
>> milllion downloads of our last version. A number of other open source
>> packages are derived from OpenOffice, and incorporates patches and
>> enhancements from AOO.
>> The AOO source code is very big, 121 languages, 233 modules and 2933
>> makefiles (including sub-makefiles). As programming platform, we use C++
>> (bulk part), Java, Python, Perl and some special libraries
>> The build system is old, a combination of perl and dmake, and has grown
>> over the years into a non standard, hard to understand non documented
>> system.
>> At the same time, we want to attract more developers, therefore we want to
>> make a new build system based on modern technology, which are easy to use
>> especially for windows developers."
>>
>> goal:
>> "The goal is to:
>> 1) make a build system suitable for use with microsoft visual studio
>> 2) make a build system suitable for use on linux (makefiles)
>> One of those systems should be the primary one and the other one should be
>> automatically generated.
>>
>
> I am not happy with that last sentence.   When there is one 'primary'
> flavor of the build system, then that tends to get much more attention than
> the other flavors.  This happened with both build system that we have.
>  They heavily tend to the Unix side and are slow and hard to use on Windows.
> I think that we should treat our major platforms (Windows, Linux and Mac)
> equal.



I plead absolute ignorance about Visual Studio 2008, but I thought it could
use "makefile" specifications -- though maybe this is not well-integrated
from what I've been reading.

In my mind, it would be great to ditch build.pl if we could, and go with a
straight makefile setup. We've already worked on this aspect.

 I have not thoroughly investigated the workings of "build.pl", but I'm
wondering if it's the mix of what we're trying to build -- e.g. the
helpcontent -- that is a bottleneck here. To me, it seems "code" components
could be built in some standard way and these other aspects built in their
own environment and plugged in later at some point. Just some thoughts I've
had, which might not make any sense. ;}

But, I'm happy to see this proposal and I hope it gets accepted. The more
eyes we have on the build process, the better.



>
>
>  The team must first understand how the current system works in general,
>> and
>> then build scenarios how a \\\"perfect\\\**"
>> system
>> would look like.
>> Second task is to implement it, in parallel with the existing system
>> Third task is to help test it on the different platforms we support. "
>>
>>
>> I will mentor the students, but hope that the community will be behind me
>> and help as well. If the students turn out to be motivated they can, as
>> volunteers and committers, be a real bonus for the project.
>>
>> Another apache committer who lives close to the OSU have promised to help
>> me as well.
>>
>> I am aware there are very different ideas about how a new build system
>> should look like, but lets use this possibility to get moving, if the
>> result works it cannot be less "nice" than the current system.
>>
>
> I hope that you are right.  But the our second build system proves that
> just working does not necessarily result in an improvement. But I don't
> want to sound too negative.  This project is a great start and I believe
> that you and the students and our community will be able to improve the
> build system greatly.
>
>
>
>> are anybody with knowledge of build.pl etc. interested in helping out ?
>>
>
> As you know, I have already done some reasearch in this area and I would
> be glad to help.
>
> Regards
> Andre
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum

[Drew Jensen]

Hi Phan, Imacat, Janl, et al

Just now getting back on-line since the last email here. I haven't gone by
the forums yet Imacat but I'm quite sure all is well. As for Terry's
account, it seems to me it should of gone also. Same for my account, there
is no good reason, which I can see, to have admin rights at any of the
forums presently.

@Janl, yes I should be hitting the forums more (easy to do 'more' since I'm
starting at zero) but I don't really need admin rights to be useful there -
and if I did become active, seeing something where such rights could be put
to use, well then I can always ask for them. It seems to me to be the
better way to go, rather then having long dormant accounts.

@Phan - thank you for taking this on, it is very good to see the site open
again.

Thanks,

//drew


On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 10:09 AM, imacat  wrote:

> On 2013/10/13 17:24, Mr. Phan Anh said:
> > @Hagar and Imacat.
> > I have already created the new account for the vi forums.
> > Please activate it.
>
> I suppose I have grant admin privileges to you.  Please check it.
>
> Drew you may verify if I'd done it correctly.
>
> Besides, I have removed the following three administrators from the
> VI forum, as they haven't logged-in since 2010 and 2011: namn, vdquynh
> and cumeo89.
>
> I suppose we should remove TerryE, too.  But that is another job.
>
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 7:47 AM, imacat 
> wrote:
> >> On 2013/10/13 04:46, Hagar Delest said:
> >>> I've promoted your account vietnamesel10n to Volunteer status so that
> >>> you get access to the admin sections of the forum.
> >>>
> >>> Now if Drew or imacat can give you admin rights on the VN forum and
> >>> unlock it, that would be fine.
> >>
> >> I have enabled the new account registration for the VI forum.
> >> Please register and tell us your account so that we can grant you the
> >> admin right.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Hagar
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Le 12/10/2013 16:32, Mr. Phan Anh a écrit :
> >>>
>  1. Sorry Guys especially Andrea, Hagar for this email of being late
>  for response.
>  I was on vacation last month.
>  So:
>  2. I have registered an account at the openoffice English Forums.
>  the account is: vietnamesel
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Re: Open office

[Drew Jensen]

Kind of a sideways note to this discussion.

I rather think that this push to SAAS in the commercial world and the
reverse here, AOO not being SAAS but old fashioned desktop, is something
that should be emphasized in regards to this project and the product of
it's efforts. I believe it may not be too great a leap to say that
maintaining a free quality tool, such as AOO, for the desktop OS world does
give social benefit.

//drew


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Fernando Cassia  wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts  >wrote:
>
> > rollApp charges now? How sad.
>
>
> No they don't, as it's beta. But I'd expect them to eventually do.
> How else would they fund it?. Banners?
>
> The whole SAAS move is about charging a monthly or yearly subscription for
> things that before were free when installed into your PC. Look at GMail,
> they don't charge you for the service, but they charge you for extra cloud
> storage.
>
> FC
> --
> During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
> act
> - George Orwell
>

Re: Open office

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 2013-10-14, at 14:08 , Drew Jensen  wrote:

> Kind of a sideways note to this discussion.
> 
> I rather think that this push to SAAS in the commercial world and the
> reverse here, AOO not being SAAS but old fashioned desktop, is something
> that should be emphasized in regards to this project and the product of
> it's efforts. I believe it may not be too great a leap to say that
> maintaining a free quality tool, such as AOO, for the desktop OS world does
> give social benefit.
> 

I don't (totally or even really) disagree. And I like that you don't cave to 
the obligatory use of "cloud." But I also think it's not really needed to focus 
or emphasize the desktop element. Most large-scale users (public, private 
enterprises, offices, whatehaveyous) will opt for the desktop compleat suite 
because one or two or more of the modules are needed by their users and a 
mobile alternative wouldn't work very well, at least not if what you did for a 
living was working on big spreadsheets.

But if you are a student, the idea of "desktop" might just confuse: is a laptop 
a desktop? And does this mean that ODF files (whatever they are) can only be 
edited (created, edited) on a "desktop"?

Put another way, if you want to emphasize the robust and completeness of the 
suite, and also its expandability, via extensions, great!

And then also showing how mobile apps can tie into this extant network of users 
only adds icing to the cake…. no?


> //drew

Cheers,
louis
> 
> 
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Fernando Cassia  wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts >> wrote:
>> 
>>> rollApp charges now? How sad.
>> 
>> 
>> No they don't, as it's beta. But I'd expect them to eventually do.
>> How else would they fund it?. Banners?
>> 
>> The whole SAAS move is about charging a monthly or yearly subscription for
>> things that before were free when installed into your PC. Look at GMail,
>> they don't charge you for the service, but they charge you for extra cloud
>> storage.
>> 
>> FC
>> --
>> During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
>> act
>> - George Orwell
>> 


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Re: [Proposal] Update Icons for AOO 4.1

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy Samer, et al

Nice stuff - I think perhaps I'm in the minority, looking over the
responses, but I rather like the rounded (Exploration 2) icons -
particularly as depicted in Win 8.

Rounded or squared however, they are all a fresh breath.

Gulls - I understand about many wanting to loose them. I think the iconic
value is rather high though with existing brand recognition. That I suppose
can be maintained else wheres in project/application resources.

Just curious, with these new icons would you consider them high contrast or
would you expect that the project (you, I suppose ;-)  would need to also
produce HC equivalents for whichever set is selected?

Thanks for your work here, very much so

//drew


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Peter Junge  wrote:

> On 10/10/2013 11:53 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 11:01:09PM -0400, Samer Mansour wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I'm proposing to have the icons (and related assets) updated for AOO
>>> 4.1 release. I would like to take the responsibility to see this gets
>>> done.
>>>
>>> Here is the icons that need to be updated:
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**
>>> AOO4.1+-+Desktop+Icons
>>>
>>
> I like the flat icons very much.
>
>
>
>>> Related asset:
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**
>>> AOO4.1+-+Application+And+**Launcher
>>>
>>> You can see two examples of ideas on the first link. You can also
>>> suggest your own ideas verbally by commenting on the wiki page or
>>> visually by attaching it to the wiki. (Please don't reply ideas in
>>> this mailing list, let us know if you have trouble)
>>>
>>> I am putting a deadline for the idea submission and discussion in 30
>>> days, November 9th, 2013.  Once we reach the deadline, we will have
>>> a separate discussion for optimizing for the best user experience.
>>>
>>> This is not a contest or a call for public proposals. This is regular,
>>> needs to be done, no-bikeshedding-please work. When the deadline Nov
>>> 9th arrives, if there is more than one viable solution, we will try to
>>> reach consensus without a end user vote.  eg. We will not be doing
>>> what we did with the logo, that was a special case because it is the
>>> face of AOO.
>>>
>>> Samer Mansour
>>>
>>
>> The About dialog does not look good with the orb in the header, the old
>> version looked nicer than the current one
>>
>> Old version:
>> http://people.apache.org/~**arielch/images/AboutDialog.png
>>
>> Current one, removing the orb from the header:
>> http://people.apache.org/~**arielch/images/AboutDialog410.**png
>>
>
> Looks very nice.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>> To test different approaches, just replace about.png in the program
>> folder (where soffice.exe is located), for example with this one
>> http://people.apache.org/~**arielch/images/about.png(there
>>  is no need to
>> restart the application).
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
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Re: CMS diff: Priključite se

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 10/14/2013 05:08 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Vladislav Stevanovic
  wrote:

Hello Rob,

I checked links, everything is OK. You can now publish this as "sr-latn", I
am finished, the job is done. Thanks for your time and efforts.


Excellent.  This is live now:  http://www.openoffice.org/sr-latn/


Yes, looks good.


P.S: What will be with old Serbian AOO site (/sr)? There is a lot
unappropriated links, but there is also and good stuffs on some pages. What
to do about that?



Best thing would be to find someone able to update that website or do
a new translation of the /xx files.

Or, we could do what we do for Chinese:

http://www.openoffice.org/zh/

That gives the user the choice to have traditional Chinese or
simplified Chinese.   We could do something similar with the choices
being Cyrillic or Latin script.


That sounds good, so I would prefer this to leave the choice to the user.

But "zh" is not working. It's redirected to "zh-tw". Maybe a redirect 
that is still active but should no longer?


Marcus




2013/10/14 Rob Weir


Thanks for the patch.  I've committed it and published the revised web
page.

-Rob

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Stevanovic Vladislav - Wlada
  wrote:

Clone URL (Committers only):


https://cms.apache.org/redirect?new=anonymous;action=diff;uri=http://ooo-site.apache.org/sr-test%2Fparticipate%2Findex.mdtext


Stevanovic Vladislav - Wlada

Index: trunk/content/sr-test/participate/index.mdtext
===
--- trunk/content/sr-test/participate/index.mdtext  (revision

1531770)

+++ trunk/content/sr-test/participate/index.mdtext  (working copy)
@@ -81,6 +81,6 @@


  [1]: http://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html
-[2]: http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html/
+[2]: http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html
  [3]: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Help+Wanted/
-[4]: http://openoffice.apache.org/students.html/
\ No newline at end of file
+[4]: http://openoffice.apache.org/students.html
\ No newline at end of file


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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum

[Ricardo Berlasso]

2013/10/14 Drew Jensen 

> Hi Phan, Imacat, Janl, et al
>
> Just now getting back on-line since the last email here. I haven't gone by
> the forums yet Imacat but I'm quite sure all is well. As for Terry's
> account, it seems to me it should of gone also. Same for my account, there
> is no good reason, which I can see, to have admin rights at any of the
> forums presently.
>

On the ES forums, I just created a new group called "Administradores
eméritos" (Emeritus administrators) and put you and Terry there. Same
colour of admins but same rights of volunteers (normal users + access to
the hidden subforums, nothing else).

I mean, while I think it is great from you that you ask for removal of the
privileges that you are not planning to use, it's not right to just
downgrade your accounts after all you did for the forums ;)

Regards,
Ricardo




> @Janl, yes I should be hitting the forums more (easy to do 'more' since I'm
> starting at zero) but I don't really need admin rights to be useful there -
> and if I did become active, seeing something where such rights could be put
> to use, well then I can always ask for them. It seems to me to be the
> better way to go, rather then having long dormant accounts.
>
> @Phan - thank you for taking this on, it is very good to see the site open
> again.
>
> Thanks,
>
> //drew
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 10:09 AM, imacat 
> wrote:
>
> > On 2013/10/13 17:24, Mr. Phan Anh said:
> > > @Hagar and Imacat.
> > > I have already created the new account for the vi forums.
> > > Please activate it.
> >
> > I suppose I have grant admin privileges to you.  Please check it.
> >
> > Drew you may verify if I'd done it correctly.
> >
> > Besides, I have removed the following three administrators from the
> > VI forum, as they haven't logged-in since 2010 and 2011: namn, vdquynh
> > and cumeo89.
> >
> > I suppose we should remove TerryE, too.  But that is another job.
> >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 7:47 AM, imacat 
> > wrote:
> > >> On 2013/10/13 04:46, Hagar Delest said:
> > >>> I've promoted your account vietnamesel10n to Volunteer status so that
> > >>> you get access to the admin sections of the forum.
> > >>>
> > >>> Now if Drew or imacat can give you admin rights on the VN forum and
> > >>> unlock it, that would be fine.
> > >>
> > >> I have enabled the new account registration for the VI forum.
> > >> Please register and tell us your account so that we can grant you the
> > >> admin right.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> Hagar
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Le 12/10/2013 16:32, Mr. Phan Anh a écrit :
> > >>>
> >  1. Sorry Guys especially Andrea, Hagar for this email of being late
> >  for response.
> >  I was on vacation last month.
> >  So:
> >  2. I have registered an account at the openoffice English Forums.
> >  the account is: vietnamesel
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> > 
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> >
> >
>

Re: Autocomplete source code

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 13/10/2013 Shemil Hashan wrote:

Please give me a link to the source code of autocomplete feature.
Or give me the folder in full source code


I don't have the answer, but I'm trying to clarify (and summarize some 
old messages) so that experienced developers can answer.


Shemil is interested in the Writer autocomplete feature (i.e., when you 
type "inter" Writer automatically suggest "interesting" if you used it 
in other places in the text) and would like to have pointers to the 
source code with the idea to improve the user interface for this 
functionality and make other possible choices (like "interested" in my 
example above) more visible. Can anyone tell Shemil where to look into?


Thanks,
  Andrea.

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Re: Mentor a new build system.

[janI]

On 14 October 2013 19:44, Kay Schenk  wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 12:38 AM, Andre Fischer  wrote:
>
> > On 11.10.2013 18:10, janI wrote:
> >
> >> Hi.
> >>
> >> FYI: as I informed a while ago, I made a project proposal for OSU
> >> capstone.
> >>
> >> The project has been selected, so we will have 4 students working the
> next
> >> months to achieve the following:
> >>
> >
> > That is great news.  Thank you for pushing this forward.
> >
> >
> >
> >> http://eecs.oregonstate.edu/**capstone/viewproposal2013.php?**id=16<
> http://eecs.oregonstate.edu/capstone/viewproposal2013.php?id=16>
> >>
> >> extract from above:
> >>
> >> motivation:
> >> "Apache OpenOffice is the biggest open source office package, with 65
> >> milllion downloads of our last version. A number of other open source
> >> packages are derived from OpenOffice, and incorporates patches and
> >> enhancements from AOO.
> >> The AOO source code is very big, 121 languages, 233 modules and 2933
> >> makefiles (including sub-makefiles). As programming platform, we use C++
> >> (bulk part), Java, Python, Perl and some special libraries
> >> The build system is old, a combination of perl and dmake, and has grown
> >> over the years into a non standard, hard to understand non documented
> >> system.
> >> At the same time, we want to attract more developers, therefore we want
> to
> >> make a new build system based on modern technology, which are easy to
> use
> >> especially for windows developers."
> >>
> >> goal:
> >> "The goal is to:
> >> 1) make a build system suitable for use with microsoft visual studio
> >> 2) make a build system suitable for use on linux (makefiles)
> >> One of those systems should be the primary one and the other one should
> be
> >> automatically generated.
> >>
> >
> > I am not happy with that last sentence.   When there is one 'primary'
> > flavor of the build system, then that tends to get much more attention
> than
> > the other flavors.  This happened with both build system that we have.
> >  They heavily tend to the Unix side and are slow and hard to use on
> Windows.
> > I think that we should treat our major platforms (Windows, Linux and Mac)
> > equal.
>
>
>
> I plead absolute ignorance about Visual Studio 2008, but I thought it could
> use "makefile" specifications -- though maybe this is not well-integrated
> from what I've been reading.
>

Makefiles have been integrated since VC 6, but once you start using it you
soon find the limits, it would never support a setup like ours.



>
> In my mind, it would be great to ditch build.pl if we could, and go with a
> straight makefile setup. We've already worked on this aspect.
>

To ditch build.pl alone, is a very straight forward task, a real nice task
for a new developer.

Remember build only controls the /prj directories and then call
dmake to do the rest.

Ditching build.pl (which I have done experimental for helpcontent2 and
l10ntools) consist of:
1) take the first line of */prj/build.lst and use that to build a Makefile
in with module dependencies.
2) for each module use the remaining lines in */prj/build.lst to build a
/Makefile that calls dmake for the existing makefiles
3) for each mdoule use */prj/deliver.lst to expand /Makefile with a
target and a set of copy instructions.

It about a little workweek to edit and test the setup.


>  I have not thoroughly investigated the workings of "build.pl", but I'm
> wondering if it's the mix of what we're trying to build -- e.g. the
> helpcontent -- that is a bottleneck here. To me, it seems "code" components
> could be built in some standard way and these other aspects built in their
> own environment and plugged in later at some point. Just some thoughts I've
> had, which might not make any sense. ;}
>

I have because of the genLang integration been deep into build (and still
are), and e.g. helpcontent2 is solely dmake files, in my ubuntu I have a
helpcontent2/Makefile that replaces build.pl for the module. postprocess or
instsetoo_native might be a level more difficult, but they are still only
dmake make files.

I have read the fuzz about having a standard make setup, but I have never
understood the complexity (unless you want to make it complex). I would
gladly help someone who has time to edit the Makefiles we need.

rgd
jan I.


>
> But, I'm happy to see this proposal and I hope it gets accepted. The more
> eyes we have on the build process, the better.


>
>
> >
> >
> >  The team must first understand how the current system works in general,
> >> and
> >> then build scenarios how a \\\"perfect\\\**"
> >> system
> >> would look like.
> >> Second task is to implement it, in parallel with the existing system
> >> Third task is to help test it on the different platforms we support. "
> >>
> >>
> >> I will mentor the students, but hope that the community will be behind
> me
> >> and help as well. If the students turn out to be motivated they can, as
> >> volunteers and committers, be a real bo

Re: CMS diff: Priključite se

[Rob Weir]

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:
> Am 10/14/2013 05:08 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>
>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Vladislav Stevanovic
>>   wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Rob,
>>>
>>> I checked links, everything is OK. You can now publish this as "sr-latn",
>>> I
>>> am finished, the job is done. Thanks for your time and efforts.
>>
>>
>> Excellent.  This is live now:  http://www.openoffice.org/sr-latn/
>
>
> Yes, looks good.
>
>
>>> P.S: What will be with old Serbian AOO site (/sr)? There is a lot
>>> unappropriated links, but there is also and good stuffs on some pages.
>>> What
>>> to do about that?
>>>
>>
>> Best thing would be to find someone able to update that website or do
>> a new translation of the /xx files.
>>
>> Or, we could do what we do for Chinese:
>>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/zh/
>>
>> That gives the user the choice to have traditional Chinese or
>> simplified Chinese.   We could do something similar with the choices
>> being Cyrillic or Latin script.
>
>
> That sounds good, so I would prefer this to leave the choice to the user.
>
> But "zh" is not working. It's redirected to "zh-tw". Maybe a redirect that
> is still active but should no longer?
>

This works for me:  http://www.openoffice.org/zh/

This loads a page that has a table with two cells:  one with a link to
/zh-tw and another one with a link to /zh-cn

-Rob

> Marcus
>
>
>
>
>>> 2013/10/14 Rob Weir
>>>
 Thanks for the patch.  I've committed it and published the revised web
 page.

 -Rob

 On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Stevanovic Vladislav - Wlada
   wrote:
>
> Clone URL (Committers only):
>

 https://cms.apache.org/redirect?new=anonymous;action=diff;uri=http://ooo-site.apache.org/sr-test%2Fparticipate%2Findex.mdtext
>
>
> Stevanovic Vladislav - Wlada
>
> Index: trunk/content/sr-test/participate/index.mdtext
> ===
> --- trunk/content/sr-test/participate/index.mdtext  (revision

 1531770)
>
> +++ trunk/content/sr-test/participate/index.mdtext  (working copy)
> @@ -81,6 +81,6 @@
>
>
>   [1]: http://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html
> -[2]: http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html/
> +[2]: http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html
>   [3]:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Help+Wanted/
> -[4]: http://openoffice.apache.org/students.html/
> \ No newline at end of file
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> \ No newline at end of file
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Re: Mentor a new build system.

[Kay Schenk]

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:02 PM, janI  wrote:

> On 14 October 2013 19:44, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 12:38 AM, Andre Fischer 
> wrote:
> >
> > > On 11.10.2013 18:10, janI wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi.
> > >>
> > >> FYI: as I informed a while ago, I made a project proposal for OSU
> > >> capstone.
> > >>
> > >> The project has been selected, so we will have 4 students working the
> > next
> > >> months to achieve the following:
> > >>
> > >
> > > That is great news.  Thank you for pushing this forward.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> http://eecs.oregonstate.edu/**capstone/viewproposal2013.php?**id=16<
> > http://eecs.oregonstate.edu/capstone/viewproposal2013.php?id=16>
> > >>
> > >> extract from above:
> > >>
> > >> motivation:
> > >> "Apache OpenOffice is the biggest open source office package, with 65
> > >> milllion downloads of our last version. A number of other open source
> > >> packages are derived from OpenOffice, and incorporates patches and
> > >> enhancements from AOO.
> > >> The AOO source code is very big, 121 languages, 233 modules and 2933
> > >> makefiles (including sub-makefiles). As programming platform, we use
> C++
> > >> (bulk part), Java, Python, Perl and some special libraries
> > >> The build system is old, a combination of perl and dmake, and has
> grown
> > >> over the years into a non standard, hard to understand non documented
> > >> system.
> > >> At the same time, we want to attract more developers, therefore we
> want
> > to
> > >> make a new build system based on modern technology, which are easy to
> > use
> > >> especially for windows developers."
> > >>
> > >> goal:
> > >> "The goal is to:
> > >> 1) make a build system suitable for use with microsoft visual studio
> > >> 2) make a build system suitable for use on linux (makefiles)
> > >> One of those systems should be the primary one and the other one
> should
> > be
> > >> automatically generated.
> > >>
> > >
> > > I am not happy with that last sentence.   When there is one 'primary'
> > > flavor of the build system, then that tends to get much more attention
> > than
> > > the other flavors.  This happened with both build system that we have.
> > >  They heavily tend to the Unix side and are slow and hard to use on
> > Windows.
> > > I think that we should treat our major platforms (Windows, Linux and
> Mac)
> > > equal.
> >
> >
> >
> > I plead absolute ignorance about Visual Studio 2008, but I thought it
> could
> > use "makefile" specifications -- though maybe this is not well-integrated
> > from what I've been reading.
> >
>
> Makefiles have been integrated since VC 6, but once you start using it you
> soon find the limits, it would never support a setup like ours.
>

OK...like I said, complete ignorance.  I have ONLY used *nix builds in the
course of my life.



>
>
>
> >
> > In my mind, it would be great to ditch build.pl if we could, and go
> with a
> > straight makefile setup. We've already worked on this aspect.
> >
>
> To ditch build.pl alone, is a very straight forward task, a real nice task
> for a new developer.
>
> Remember build only controls the /prj directories and then call
> dmake to do the rest.
>
> Ditching build.pl (which I have done experimental for helpcontent2 and
> l10ntools) consist of:
> 1) take the first line of */prj/build.lst and use that to build a Makefile
> in with module dependencies.
> 2) for each module use the remaining lines in */prj/build.lst to build a
> /Makefile that calls dmake for the existing makefiles
> 3) for each mdoule use */prj/deliver.lst to expand /Makefile with a
> target and a set of copy instructions.
>
> It about a little workweek to edit and test the setup.
>

Thanks for these tips. I would REALLY like to disconnect the help building
to try to get tech writers more interested in development/changes of our
inline help content, with minimal fuss. OK, I will play with that this week.


>
>
> >  I have not thoroughly investigated the workings of "build.pl", but I'm
> > wondering if it's the mix of what we're trying to build -- e.g. the
> > helpcontent -- that is a bottleneck here. To me, it seems "code"
> components
> > could be built in some standard way and these other aspects built in
> their
> > own environment and plugged in later at some point. Just some thoughts
> I've
> > had, which might not make any sense. ;}
> >
>
> I have because of the genLang integration been deep into build (and still
> are), and e.g. helpcontent2 is solely dmake files, in my ubuntu I have a
> helpcontent2/Makefile that replaces build.pl for the module. postprocess
> or
> instsetoo_native might be a level more difficult, but they are still only
> dmake make files.
>
> I have read the fuzz about having a standard make setup, but I have never
> understood the complexity (unless you want to make it complex). I would
> gladly help someone who has time to edit the Makefiles we need.
>
> rgd
> jan I.
>
>
> >
> > But, I'm happy to see this proposal and I hope it gets accepted. The m

New Serbian (Latin script) website live

[Rob Weir]

A quick announcement that we now have a freshly translated website for
Serbian with Latin script (sr-latn) due to the efforts of Vladislav
Stevanovic "Wlada".

You can find it here:

http://www.openoffice.org/sr-latn/

Regards,

-Rob

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Re: Mentor a new build system.

[janI]

On 14 October 2013 23:34, Kay Schenk  wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:02 PM, janI  wrote:
>
> > On 14 October 2013 19:44, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 12:38 AM, Andre Fischer 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 11.10.2013 18:10, janI wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi.
> > > >>
> > > >> FYI: as I informed a while ago, I made a project proposal for OSU
> > > >> capstone.
> > > >>
> > > >> The project has been selected, so we will have 4 students working
> the
> > > next
> > > >> months to achieve the following:
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > That is great news.  Thank you for pushing this forward.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> http://eecs.oregonstate.edu/**capstone/viewproposal2013.php?**id=16
> <
> > > http://eecs.oregonstate.edu/capstone/viewproposal2013.php?id=16>
> > > >>
> > > >> extract from above:
> > > >>
> > > >> motivation:
> > > >> "Apache OpenOffice is the biggest open source office package, with
> 65
> > > >> milllion downloads of our last version. A number of other open
> source
> > > >> packages are derived from OpenOffice, and incorporates patches and
> > > >> enhancements from AOO.
> > > >> The AOO source code is very big, 121 languages, 233 modules and 2933
> > > >> makefiles (including sub-makefiles). As programming platform, we use
> > C++
> > > >> (bulk part), Java, Python, Perl and some special libraries
> > > >> The build system is old, a combination of perl and dmake, and has
> > grown
> > > >> over the years into a non standard, hard to understand non
> documented
> > > >> system.
> > > >> At the same time, we want to attract more developers, therefore we
> > want
> > > to
> > > >> make a new build system based on modern technology, which are easy
> to
> > > use
> > > >> especially for windows developers."
> > > >>
> > > >> goal:
> > > >> "The goal is to:
> > > >> 1) make a build system suitable for use with microsoft visual studio
> > > >> 2) make a build system suitable for use on linux (makefiles)
> > > >> One of those systems should be the primary one and the other one
> > should
> > > be
> > > >> automatically generated.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > I am not happy with that last sentence.   When there is one 'primary'
> > > > flavor of the build system, then that tends to get much more
> attention
> > > than
> > > > the other flavors.  This happened with both build system that we
> have.
> > > >  They heavily tend to the Unix side and are slow and hard to use on
> > > Windows.
> > > > I think that we should treat our major platforms (Windows, Linux and
> > Mac)
> > > > equal.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I plead absolute ignorance about Visual Studio 2008, but I thought it
> > could
> > > use "makefile" specifications -- though maybe this is not
> well-integrated
> > > from what I've been reading.
> > >
> >
> > Makefiles have been integrated since VC 6, but once you start using it
> you
> > soon find the limits, it would never support a setup like ours.
> >
>
> OK...like I said, complete ignorance.  I have ONLY used *nix builds in the
> course of my life.
>

it maybe ignorance, I call it "interest", and to me all input are welcome !

>
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > In my mind, it would be great to ditch build.pl if we could, and go
> > with a
> > > straight makefile setup. We've already worked on this aspect.
> > >
> >
> > To ditch build.pl alone, is a very straight forward task, a real nice
> task
> > for a new developer.
> >
> > Remember build only controls the /prj directories and then call
> > dmake to do the rest.
> >
> > Ditching build.pl (which I have done experimental for helpcontent2 and
> > l10ntools) consist of:
> > 1) take the first line of */prj/build.lst and use that to build a
> Makefile
> > in with module dependencies.
> > 2) for each module use the remaining lines in */prj/build.lst to build a
> > /Makefile that calls dmake for the existing makefiles
> > 3) for each mdoule use */prj/deliver.lst to expand /Makefile
> with a
> > target and a set of copy instructions.
> >
> > It about a little workweek to edit and test the setup.
> >
>
> Thanks for these tips. I would REALLY like to disconnect the help building
> to try to get tech writers more interested in development/changes of our
> inline help content, with minimal fuss. OK, I will play with that this
> week.
>

I will be happy to assist, feel free to contact me offlist/onlist. I have
spent the last week debugging the helpcontent2 build part, to make it work
with genLang, and I still have some way to go.

If we had some resources we should take it one step further, and replace
the current help with standard help methods available. That would make it a
lot easier for tech. writers.

rgds
jan I.


>
> >
> >
> > >  I have not thoroughly investigated the workings of "build.pl", but
> I'm
> > > wondering if it's the mix of what we're trying to build -- e.g. the
> > > helpcontent -- that is a bottleneck here. To me, it seems "code"
> > components
> > > could be built in some standard way and these other aspects buil

Re: CMS diff: Priključite se

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 10/14/2013 11:32 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:

Am 10/14/2013 05:08 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:


On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Vladislav Stevanovic
   wrote:


Hello Rob,

I checked links, everything is OK. You can now publish this as "sr-latn",
I
am finished, the job is done. Thanks for your time and efforts.



Excellent.  This is live now:  http://www.openoffice.org/sr-latn/



Yes, looks good.



P.S: What will be with old Serbian AOO site (/sr)? There is a lot
unappropriated links, but there is also and good stuffs on some pages.
What
to do about that?



Best thing would be to find someone able to update that website or do
a new translation of the /xx files.

Or, we could do what we do for Chinese:

http://www.openoffice.org/zh/

That gives the user the choice to have traditional Chinese or
simplified Chinese.   We could do something similar with the choices
being Cyrillic or Latin script.



That sounds good, so I would prefer this to leave the choice to the user.

But "zh" is not working. It's redirected to "zh-tw". Maybe a redirect that
is still active but should no longer?



This works for me:  http://www.openoffice.org/zh/

This loads a page that has a table with two cells:  one with a link to
/zh-tw and another one with a link to /zh-cn


No, I got redirected immediately to "http://www.openoffice.org/zh-tw/";.

Marcus




2013/10/14 Rob Weir


Thanks for the patch.  I've committed it and published the revised web
page.

-Rob

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Stevanovic Vladislav - Wlada
   wrote:


Clone URL (Committers only):



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Index: trunk/content/sr-test/participate/index.mdtext
===
--- trunk/content/sr-test/participate/index.mdtext  (revision


1531770)


+++ trunk/content/sr-test/participate/index.mdtext  (working copy)
@@ -81,6 +81,6 @@


   [1]: http://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html
-[2]: http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html/
+[2]: http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html
   [3]:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Help+Wanted/
-[4]: http://openoffice.apache.org/students.html/
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Re: Help Needed: Redo the /porting/mac page

[Kay Schenk]

On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:

>
> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 4:56 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 4:40 AM, Jürgen Schmidt 
>> wrote:
>> > On 10/9/13 8:45 AM, Herbert Duerr wrote:
>> >> On 08.10.2013 22:33, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>> >>> janI wrote:
>>  http://www.openoffice.org/porting/mac/ ...
>>  So my first question is
>>  - what does a MAC page have to do here. MAC is a supported platform,
>> not
>>  third party ?
>>  - why does the porting page not have a link to the mac page ?
>> >>>
>> >>> The Mac version used to be a port (you can still find outdated
>> >>> information around, with the name "Aqua Port"), but it has been a
>> fully
>> >>> supported version since 3.0.0 or around.
>> >>
>> >> Yes, OOo 3.0 was our first version with Mac as fully supported
>> platform.
>> >>
>> >>> So the porting page does not link to it since it's not a port. And the
>> >>> URL is... well, historical, but I wouldn't oppose to move it outside
>> >>> porting/ if we can setup redirects that won't break search engines.
>> >>
>> >> +1 for just redirecting to our download page.
>> >
>> > a redirect will work but who will miss the page? We should be more open
>> > to delete outdated content and simply drop it. We have too many outdated
>> > pages that help nobody and are more confusing than useful.
>> >
>>
>> The point is when a user queries Google for terms like "OpenOffice for
>> Mac" that is the #1 page on the results list.  Users do this and visit
>> that page around 4000 times per day.
>>
>> If we merely deleted that page then these 4000 people would get a 404
>> error.  After a period of time, probably a few weeks, Google would
>> update their index and another page would be the #1 search result and
>> get that traffic.  The #2 link is a CNet page, so the traffic would
>> probably go there and not to our website.
>>
>> If we redirect to a generic page, like our home page, then we get no
>> 404 error.  But as Google updates its index it would see that the
>> redirected page is not really relevant to the query "OpenOffice for
>> Mac" and would reorder its results so the traffic would still point to
>> CNet.
>>
>> The only way to preserve this traffic is to have a relevant page about
>> OpenOffice for Mac.  It doesn't need to be complicated.  But it needs
>> to have enough discussion about using OpenOffice on the Mac to look
>> relevant to Google and Bing.
>>
>> I suggested such a page in the past, even outlined it, but no Mac
>> volunteers ever completed it:
>>
>>
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/product/mac.mdtext
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>
> I don't recall anything about this particular topic in the past but it
> seems your "new" information could be just popped into the /porting/mac
> index page with a nice little top note that says something like ...
>
> "Macintosh is now part of the standard Apache OpenOffice product and not a
> separate port"
>
>  or words to that effect, subsititute your new content for the porting
> page, and direct folks to the "download" page.
>
> Would that work?
>

I just made some very minor changes to this old page.

It would be nice to include some information on development for the Mac if
at all possible. There seems to be this old page on the wiki:

http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Intro_To_Mac_Porting

but I'm not sure how much is still relevant

We could use some help with this also.



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Re: CMS diff: Priključite se

[Rob Weir]

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:
> Am 10/14/2013 11:32 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>
>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Marcus (OOo)
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Am 10/14/2013 05:08 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>>
 On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Vladislav Stevanovic
wrote:
>
>
> Hello Rob,
>
> I checked links, everything is OK. You can now publish this as
> "sr-latn",
> I
> am finished, the job is done. Thanks for your time and efforts.



 Excellent.  This is live now:  http://www.openoffice.org/sr-latn/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, looks good.
>>>
>>>
> P.S: What will be with old Serbian AOO site (/sr)? There is a lot
> unappropriated links, but there is also and good stuffs on some pages.
> What
> to do about that?
>

 Best thing would be to find someone able to update that website or do
 a new translation of the /xx files.

 Or, we could do what we do for Chinese:

 http://www.openoffice.org/zh/

 That gives the user the choice to have traditional Chinese or
 simplified Chinese.   We could do something similar with the choices
 being Cyrillic or Latin script.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That sounds good, so I would prefer this to leave the choice to the user.
>>>
>>> But "zh" is not working. It's redirected to "zh-tw". Maybe a redirect
>>> that
>>> is still active but should no longer?
>>>
>>
>> This works for me:  http://www.openoffice.org/zh/
>>
>> This loads a page that has a table with two cells:  one with a link to
>> /zh-tw and another one with a link to /zh-cn
>
>
> No, I got redirected immediately to "http://www.openoffice.org/zh-tw/";.
>

Tried on Windows 7 with Firefox and Internet Explorer.
http://www.openoffice.org/zh/ loads for me, with no redirection.

Not a big deal, but it is very odd.

-Rob


>
> Marcus
>
>
>
> 2013/10/14 Rob Weir
>
>> Thanks for the patch.  I've committed it and published the revised web
>> page.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Stevanovic Vladislav - Wlada
>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Clone URL (Committers only):
>>>
>>
>>
>> https://cms.apache.org/redirect?new=anonymous;action=diff;uri=http://ooo-site.apache.org/sr-test%2Fparticipate%2Findex.mdtext
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stevanovic Vladislav - Wlada
>>>
>>> Index: trunk/content/sr-test/participate/index.mdtext
>>> ===
>>> --- trunk/content/sr-test/participate/index.mdtext  (revision
>>
>>
>> 1531770)
>>>
>>>
>>> +++ trunk/content/sr-test/participate/index.mdtext  (working
>>> copy)
>>> @@ -81,6 +81,6 @@
>>>
>>>
>>>[1]: http://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html
>>> -[2]: http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html/
>>> +[2]: http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html
>>>[3]:
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Help+Wanted/
>>> -[4]: http://openoffice.apache.org/students.html/
>>> \ No newline at end of file
>>> +[4]: http://openoffice.apache.org/students.html
>>> \ No newline at end of file
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BASIC and UTF-8

[Vladislav Stevanovic]

Hello,
As I can see, there is a lot of people who are using BASIC for macros. And
I too.
Problem is next: does anybody developing Basic?
Problem 1: for all who want to deal with characters outside of English
language we have big problem, for example, with print function. I can not
export Cyrillic characters.
Problem 2: This is an office suit. Problem is when I want export some data
in a brand new .xml document. I can not create this xml document without
meta files in zipped file.
If I look on OO forum, there are majority of users who deal with Basic. If
this is reality, what is problem for little polishing for Basic?

Regards,
Wlada

Re: BASIC and UTF-8

[Andrew Douglas Pitonyak]

On 10/14/2013 08:09 PM, Vladislav Stevanovic wrote:

Hello,
As I can see, there is a lot of people who are using BASIC for macros. And
I too.
Problem is next: does anybody developing Basic?
Problem 1: for all who want to deal with characters outside of English
language we have big problem, for example, with print function. I can not
export Cyrillic characters.
Problem 2: This is an office suit. Problem is when I want export some data
in a brand new .xml document. I can not create this xml document without
meta files in zipped file.
If I look on OO forum, there are majority of users who deal with Basic. If
this is reality, what is problem for little polishing for Basic?

Regards,
Wlada



I feel silly asking this, but is the same true for MsgBox and inside of 
a dialog that you create with a text display field that you populate 
from a macro?


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Re: BASIC and UTF-8

[Ariel Constenla-Haile]

Hi,

On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 02:09:28AM +0200, Vladislav Stevanovic wrote:
> Hello,
> As I can see, there is a lot of people who are using BASIC for macros. And
> I too.
> Problem is next: does anybody developing Basic?
> Problem 1: for all who want to deal with characters outside of English
> language we have big problem, for example, with print function. I can not
> export Cyrillic characters.

Looking at this example, there are some bug, please open a bug report:

Sub Main

Dim aLines()
aLines = Array(_
"Мой дядя самых честных правил,",_
"Когда не в шутку занемог,",_
"Он уважать себя заставил",_
"И лучше выдумать не мог.",_
"Его пример другим наука;",_
"Но, боже мой, какая скука",_
"С больным сидеть и день и ночь,",_
"Не отходя ни шагу прочь!",_
"Какое низкое коварство",_
"Полуживого забавлять,",_
"Ему подушки поправлять,",_
"Печально подносить лекарство,",_
"Вздыхать и думать про себя:",_
"Когда же черт возьмет тебя!" _
)

Dim n%
Dim s$
For n = 0 To Ubound(aLines)
s = s + aLines(n) + Chr(13)
Next

MsgBox s, 0, "Пушкин, Евгений Онегин"

print s

End Sub


> Problem 2: This is an office suit. Problem is when I want export some data
> in a brand new .xml document. I can not create this xml document without
> meta files in zipped file.

I don't get this, can you reformulate it? Are you trying to write
a plain XML file, or an ODT file, or a zip file, or ...?

In any case, I would use the API, even if writing the code in Basic,
instead of Basic functions (that is, do not use print to write to
a file, use the API from the com.sun.star.io module).

Note: there is a dedicate mailing list for API questions
a...@openoffice.apache.org


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum

[imacat]

On 2013/10/15 04:19, Ricardo Berlasso said:
> 2013/10/14 Drew Jensen 
> 
>> Hi Phan, Imacat, Janl, et al
>>
>> Just now getting back on-line since the last email here. I haven't gone by
>> the forums yet Imacat but I'm quite sure all is well. As for Terry's
>> account, it seems to me it should of gone also. Same for my account, there
>> is no good reason, which I can see, to have admin rights at any of the
>> forums presently.
>>

OK.  Per your request, I have removed you (Drew), along with TerryE,
from the administrators' list.  Thank you for your services all this
time. ^_^

The current VI administrators are:

Administrators: vietnamesel10n, imacat
Global Administrators: vietnamesel10n, imacat, floris v

As I actually do not get involved into the forum operation, this
left us only one site administrator, Phan, now.  Phan, you may need to
recruit at least one more help, or contact floris v to see if you could
work together, in case you are not available.  We don't want to
overwhelm you.

P.S. I shall do a privilege clean-up for other forums, too.

> 
> On the ES forums, I just created a new group called "Administradores
> eméritos" (Emeritus administrators) and put you and Terry there. Same
> colour of admins but same rights of volunteers (normal users + access to
> the hidden subforums, nothing else).
> 
> I mean, while I think it is great from you that you ask for removal of the
> privileges that you are not planning to use, it's not right to just
> downgrade your accounts after all you did for the forums ;)
> 
> Regards,
> Ricardo
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> @Janl, yes I should be hitting the forums more (easy to do 'more' since I'm
>> starting at zero) but I don't really need admin rights to be useful there -
>> and if I did become active, seeing something where such rights could be put
>> to use, well then I can always ask for them. It seems to me to be the
>> better way to go, rather then having long dormant accounts.
>>
>> @Phan - thank you for taking this on, it is very good to see the site open
>> again.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> //drew
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 10:09 AM, imacat 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2013/10/13 17:24, Mr. Phan Anh said:
 @Hagar and Imacat.
 I have already created the new account for the vi forums.
 Please activate it.
>>>
>>> I suppose I have grant admin privileges to you.  Please check it.
>>>
>>> Drew you may verify if I'd done it correctly.
>>>
>>> Besides, I have removed the following three administrators from the
>>> VI forum, as they haven't logged-in since 2010 and 2011: namn, vdquynh
>>> and cumeo89.
>>>
>>> I suppose we should remove TerryE, too.  But that is another job.
>>>

 On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 7:47 AM, imacat 
>>> wrote:
> On 2013/10/13 04:46, Hagar Delest said:
>> I've promoted your account vietnamesel10n to Volunteer status so that
>> you get access to the admin sections of the forum.
>>
>> Now if Drew or imacat can give you admin rights on the VN forum and
>> unlock it, that would be fine.
>
> I have enabled the new account registration for the VI forum.
> Please register and tell us your account so that we can grant you the
> admin right.
>
>>
>> Hagar
>>
>>
>> Le 12/10/2013 16:32, Mr. Phan Anh a écrit :
>>
>>> 1. Sorry Guys especially Andrea, Hagar for this email of being late
>>> for response.
>>> I was on vacation last month.
>>> So:
>>> 2. I have registered an account at the openoffice English Forums.
>>> the account is: vietnamesel
>>> 3. Please update the status of my account.
>>>
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum

[imacat]

On 2013/10/15 04:19, Ricardo Berlasso said:
> 2013/10/14 Drew Jensen 
> 
>> Hi Phan, Imacat, Janl, et al
>>
>> Just now getting back on-line since the last email here. I haven't gone by
>> the forums yet Imacat but I'm quite sure all is well. As for Terry's
>> account, it seems to me it should of gone also. Same for my account, there
>> is no good reason, which I can see, to have admin rights at any of the
>> forums presently.
>>

OK.  Per your request, I have removed you (Drew), along with TerryE,
from the administrators' list.  Thank you for your services all this
time. ^_^

The current VI administrators are:

Administrators: vietnamesel10n, imacat
Global Administrators: vietnamesel10n, imacat, floris v

As I actually do not get involved into the forum operation, this
left us only one site administrator, Phan, now.  Phan, you may need to
recruit at least one more help, or contact floris v to see if you could
work together, in case you are not available.  We don't want to
overwhelm you.

P.S. I shall do a privilege check on other forums, too.

> 
> On the ES forums, I just created a new group called "Administradores
> eméritos" (Emeritus administrators) and put you and Terry there. Same
> colour of admins but same rights of volunteers (normal users + access to
> the hidden subforums, nothing else).
> 
> I mean, while I think it is great from you that you ask for removal of the
> privileges that you are not planning to use, it's not right to just
> downgrade your accounts after all you did for the forums ;)
> 
> Regards,
> Ricardo
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> @Janl, yes I should be hitting the forums more (easy to do 'more' since I'm
>> starting at zero) but I don't really need admin rights to be useful there -
>> and if I did become active, seeing something where such rights could be put
>> to use, well then I can always ask for them. It seems to me to be the
>> better way to go, rather then having long dormant accounts.
>>
>> @Phan - thank you for taking this on, it is very good to see the site open
>> again.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> //drew
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 10:09 AM, imacat 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2013/10/13 17:24, Mr. Phan Anh said:
 @Hagar and Imacat.
 I have already created the new account for the vi forums.
 Please activate it.
>>>
>>> I suppose I have grant admin privileges to you.  Please check it.
>>>
>>> Drew you may verify if I'd done it correctly.
>>>
>>> Besides, I have removed the following three administrators from the
>>> VI forum, as they haven't logged-in since 2010 and 2011: namn, vdquynh
>>> and cumeo89.
>>>
>>> I suppose we should remove TerryE, too.  But that is another job.
>>>

 On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 7:47 AM, imacat 
>>> wrote:
> On 2013/10/13 04:46, Hagar Delest said:
>> I've promoted your account vietnamesel10n to Volunteer status so that
>> you get access to the admin sections of the forum.
>>
>> Now if Drew or imacat can give you admin rights on the VN forum and
>> unlock it, that would be fine.
>
> I have enabled the new account registration for the VI forum.
> Please register and tell us your account so that we can grant you the
> admin right.
>
>>
>> Hagar
>>
>>
>> Le 12/10/2013 16:32, Mr. Phan Anh a écrit :
>>
>>> 1. Sorry Guys especially Andrea, Hagar for this email of being late
>>> for response.
>>> I was on vacation last month.
>>> So:
>>> 2. I have registered an account at the openoffice English Forums.
>>> the account is: vietnamesel
>>> 3. Please update the status of my account.
>>>
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Re: [Proposal] Update Icons for AOO 4.1

[Samer Mansour]

Hello,

Here is another stab where I keep the gulls in the logo, scroll down to
october 15th.

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4.1+-+Desktop+Icons

These are high contrast.  You can desaturate them and they are still
distinguishable.

Samer Mansour

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Drew Jensen wrote:

> Howdy Samer, et al
>
> Nice stuff - I think perhaps I'm in the minority, looking over the
> responses, but I rather like the rounded (Exploration 2) icons -
> particularly as depicted in Win 8.
>
> Rounded or squared however, they are all a fresh breath.
>
> Gulls - I understand about many wanting to loose them. I think the iconic
> value is rather high though with existing brand recognition. That I suppose
> can be maintained else wheres in project/application resources.
>
> Just curious, with these new icons would you consider them high contrast or
> would you expect that the project (you, I suppose ;-)  would need to also
> produce HC equivalents for whichever set is selected?
>
> Thanks for your work here, very much so
>
> //drew
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Peter Junge  wrote:
>
> > On 10/10/2013 11:53 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 11:01:09PM -0400, Samer Mansour wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> I'm proposing to have the icons (and related assets) updated for AOO
> >>> 4.1 release. I would like to take the responsibility to see this gets
> >>> done.
> >>>
> >>> Here is the icons that need to be updated:
> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**
> >>> AOO4.1+-+Desktop+Icons<
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4.1+-+Desktop+Icons
> >
> >>>
> >>
> > I like the flat icons very much.
> >
> >
> >
> >>> Related asset:
> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**
> >>> AOO4.1+-+Application+And+**Launcher<
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4.1+-+Application+And+Launcher
> >
> >>>
> >>> You can see two examples of ideas on the first link. You can also
> >>> suggest your own ideas verbally by commenting on the wiki page or
> >>> visually by attaching it to the wiki. (Please don't reply ideas in
> >>> this mailing list, let us know if you have trouble)
> >>>
> >>> I am putting a deadline for the idea submission and discussion in 30
> >>> days, November 9th, 2013.  Once we reach the deadline, we will have
> >>> a separate discussion for optimizing for the best user experience.
> >>>
> >>> This is not a contest or a call for public proposals. This is regular,
> >>> needs to be done, no-bikeshedding-please work. When the deadline Nov
> >>> 9th arrives, if there is more than one viable solution, we will try to
> >>> reach consensus without a end user vote.  eg. We will not be doing
> >>> what we did with the logo, that was a special case because it is the
> >>> face of AOO.
> >>>
> >>> Samer Mansour
> >>>
> >>
> >> The About dialog does not look good with the orb in the header, the old
> >> version looked nicer than the current one
> >>
> >> Old version:
> >> http://people.apache.org/~**arielch/images/AboutDialog.png<
> http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/AboutDialog.png>
> >>
> >> Current one, removing the orb from the header:
> >> http://people.apache.org/~**arielch/images/AboutDialog410.**png<
> http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/AboutDialog410.png>
> >>
> >
> > Looks very nice.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> >
> >> To test different approaches, just replace about.png in the program
> >> folder (where soffice.exe is located), for example with this one
> >> http://people.apache.org/~**arielch/images/about.png<
> http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/about.png>(there is no need to
> >> restart the application).
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
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Forum Privilege Check

[imacat]

Dear all,

As Drew requested to resign from the administrators in all forums,
and TerryE's account will be removed from administrators, too, I'm
planning to check the privileged accounts on all the 10 forums, and
remove inactive administrators that haven't logged in for more than *1
year*.

"1 year" here is defined as "from Oct 1st, 2012 to the last minute
of the removal."  "Administrator privileges" is defined as the
"Administrators" and "Global Administrators" groups.  I shall check and
later present a list of the administrators to be removed.

If anyone know of any of these inactive administrators, you may ask
her/him to logged in if they still are willing to help the forum
administration.  Or, in case if their administrative privileges are
removed, they can be added in again.

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Re: Forum Privilege Check

[janI]

On Oct 15, 2013 8:01 AM, "imacat"  wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> As Drew requested to resign from the administrators in all forums,
> and TerryE's account will be removed from administrators, too, I'm
> planning to check the privileged accounts on all the 10 forums, and
> remove inactive administrators that haven't logged in for more than *1
> year*.
>
> "1 year" here is defined as "from Oct 1st, 2012 to the last minute
> of the removal."  "Administrator privileges" is defined as the
> "Administrators" and "Global Administrators" groups.  I shall check and
> later present a list of the administrators to be removed.
>
> If anyone know of any of these inactive administrators, you may ask
> her/him to logged in if they still are willing to help the forum
> administration.  Or, in case if their administrative privileges are
> removed, they can be added in again.
>
> Please discuss under this thread of there is other consideration.
>
hi

I removed myself from having admin rigths and other special priviledges on
all forums and wiki a month ago. If I forgot something please remove it.

rgds
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