Re: Is MWiki down?

[janI]

Was down, it is up again, we had a kernel panic.

We (infra) are just discussing a OS upgrade, to avoid the problem

jan.

On 31 December 2012 06:56, Ji Yan  wrote:

> Does anybody know is MWiki down? I cannot reach it to update weekly report?
> Could anybody help?
>
> --
>
>
> Thanks & Best Regards, Yan Ji
>

[discussion] Buildbot standard a.o or our own.

[janI]

Is there a reason why we use our own buildbot and not one of the infra
supported ones, like e.g. Continuum.

Sharing servers with other and having other people maintain the build
routines should be to our advantage.

Or do I see life in the wrong light ?

rgds
Jan I

Re: info: Additional Licensing requirements if any for use of Open Office for Professional Work in Companies

[anand.vasappanavara]

Dear Andrea, 

Greetings from Tata Motors! 

Thank you for your reply & wish you a happy & a prosperous new year 2013. 

Please do not mind me asking but can you let me know your views on Libre Office 
(documentation foundation) & Open Office org (Apache foundation)

As we are deciding to roll out Open source office tools to our employees, which 
do you feel would be more beneficial to a large business organizations.

What about the security associated with the extensions of these tools are they 
safe, can they leak our professional info like those free android apps? 

 We am trying to bring about the use of open source tools for productivity, 
creativity - traditionally possible with MS Office & Adobe in our company.

If the Open Source usage drive is successful in one Tata company, it will then 
rapidly penetrate into our other 70 odd companies in India & the world. 

Have a pleasant day ahead 
Anand Vasappanavara 
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On 12/29/2012 5:51 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:


anand.vasappanavara wrote: 


Greetings from Tata Motors! We are happy to note your 
foundation's 
work in developing open office tools for the world. We have 
been 
using your tools for my academic&  personal activities from 
some time 
now. &  would like to suggest their introduction for its use 
for 
professional work in our company. 



Thanks for your appreciation! I'm removing the security list from the 
recipients, since it is a confidential channel related to security incidents 
only. 



We would hence like to know the answers to the following 
question to 
acess the feasibility 



Sure. Just remember that my statements here, as virtually all 
communication on our mailing lists, do not constitute legal advice or official 
answers. For that, you should read, e.g., the full license text at 
http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html or the source code. 



1.What are the additional licensing, permissions 
requirements to be 
factored if any 



None (of course, I recommend that you read the license). 



2.Can the employees use Open Office tools freely to 
perform their commercial work 



Yes, definitely. The Apache License is permissive and 
business-friendly, and it gives maximum freedom to the user. 



3.Is there any risk of office data 
leaking via the internet while using the Open tools 



No. Services that connect to the Internet (such as the update 
notification service) do not disclose personal private data or documents data. 



 4.Are there any 
organizations where open office is ready used for professional 
work 



Yes, so many that we actually have trouble in keeping the list 
up-to-date... Anyway you can find an outdated list at 
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Major_OpenOffice.org_Deployments 



5.Are there any annual maintenance or up-gradation services 
which 
can be offered 



Sure, but not from this project directly. We do maintain a list of 
consultants at http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html but for 
corporate-grade support you might also be contacted by companies that employ 
full-time OpenOffice developers. Employees from these companies already read 
our mailing lists. 

You can also support the project by sponsoring development, or 
contributing developers or translators or other resources for QA or 
marketing... Feel free to write again (the "dev" list is enough) if you would 
like to know more about this. 

Regards, 
  Andrea. 




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Re: Incompatible changes in AOO 4.0 ?

[Andrew Pitonyak]

Thanks, will take a look when iI am near a real computer...

Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G

Pedro Giffuni  wrote:

Hi Andrew;


- Messaggio originale -
> Da: Andrew Pitonyak 

> 
> If the change is made, a good first step is a spread sheet with test cases.
> 
> So you have a proposed list of functions that would be changed?
> 

I did just a very small set of changes for asinh, acosh, atanh and a some
internal power functions .. just for testing.

Since there is interest in this I opened a Bugzilla issue with the patch:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121561


There's also a spreadsheet with some basic tests.
> Would want to compare expected group actual and old to new.
> 
> Would want to devise test cases against both common and edge cases. 
> 
> Also curios about time impact, does it take more time or less.
>


The differences are insignificant comparing FreeBSD amd64 (with boost)
vs a VM running Windows XP with Symphony, but I am sure someone
can come up with more creative tests :).

Perhaps someone not necessarily technically oriented, can create
a wiki page with a table of the functions in boost 1.48 that we may want.

Some stuff like GCD and LCM is simply more work than is worth it but
if there is something that we simply don't have already (perhaps some
weird stats distribution) , chances are good we can bring it in for 4.0.

Pedro.

Viewer for OpenOffice on iOS

[Armin Le Grand]

Hi List,

my wife showed me the following link which leads to the AppStore, to an AOO ODF 
format raeder application nicely using the AOO logo, link is

https://itunes.apple.com/de/app/ooreader/id480844649?mt=8

Juat wanted to share with all, looks interesting. Did anyone check this out, 
maybe compared with the already available Syphony viewer which is also free? 
They offer a 'profesional' version for money which shall be capable of biggerr 
files, too (not so good, but...)

Happy new year!
Armin

--
ALG (iPad)

Re: Incompatible changes in AOO 4.0 ?

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Pedro, hi Andrew,

Pedro Giffuni schrieb:

Hi Andrew;


- Messaggio originale -

Da: Andrew Pitonyak




If the change is made, a good first step is a spread sheet with test cases.

So you have a proposed list of functions that would be changed?



I did just a very small set of changes for asinh, acosh, atanh and a some
internal power functions .. just for testing.

Since there is interest in this I opened a Bugzilla issue with the patch:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121561


There's also a spreadsheet with some basic tests.

Would want to compare expected group actual and old to new.

Would want to devise test cases against both common and edge cases.

Also curios about time impact, does it take more time or less.



Yes, the needed calculation time is critical. There are some places in 
the code, where I had stopped a loop at a fixed count, so that the 
calculation time is not too long.





The differences are insignificant comparing FreeBSD amd64 (with boost)
vs a VM running Windows XP with Symphony, but I am sure someone
can come up with more creative tests :).


For accuracy you need a comparison to a value which is calculated 
without the restriction to data type double. For single values Wolfram 
Alpha might work, for a larger set of test cases a computer algebra 
system might be appropriate.




Perhaps someone not necessarily technically oriented, can create
a wiki page with a table of the functions in boost 1.48 that we may want.


Or the other way round, a list of our functions (copy from the template 
in the Wiki), where we add, whether accuracy problems exist.




Some stuff like GCD and LCM is simply more work than is worth it but
if there is something that we simply don't have already (perhaps some
weird stats distribution) , chances are good we can bring it in for 4.0.


There is not much left, which we do not have and which is specified in 
ODF1.2. And some problems are due to the restriction to data type double.


Using wiki pages is a good idea, because a lot of details have to be 
discussed if we go this way, which will be too much for a mailing list 
or Bugzilla.


Kind regards
Regina

Re: Viewer for OpenOffice on iOS

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 12-12-31, at 07:45 , Armin Le Grand  wrote:

> Hi List,
> 
> my wife showed me the following link which leads to the AppStore, to an AOO 
> ODF format raeder application nicely using the AOO logo, link is
> 
> https://itunes.apple.com/de/app/ooreader/id480844649?mt=8
> 
> Juat wanted to share with all, looks interesting. Did anyone check this out, 
> maybe compared with the already available Syphony viewer which is also free? 
> They offer a 'profesional' version for money which shall be capable of 
> biggerr files, too (not so good, but...)
> 
> Happy new year!
> Armin
> 
> --
> ALG (iPad)

I keep track of the viewers/readers for ODF for iOS. They always improve. So 
far, my favourite as a viewer alone is Symphony's. However, I am also working 
with other apps, and these promise more than simply viewing.

Louis

Re: Incompatible changes in AOO 4.0 ?

[Rob Weir]

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Pedro Giffuni  wrote:
>
>
> - Messaggio originale -
>> Da: Rob Weir
> ...
>>>
>>>  Please feel free to contribute a spreadsheet that calculates the edge
>>>  cases. Any contribution of that kind is welcome, and that's why this
>> list
>>>  exists.
>>>
>>
>> Well, what does boost use for its own testing?  They must do some sort
>> of testing?   Is there something we can easily convert into a
>> spreadsheet?  That would help in two ways. since we could test the
>> existing implementation against the same test cases, to see if there
>> actually are any issues.   I assume that would be good to know.
>>
>
> This is not something one checks by grabbing someone else's testsuite,
> it depends on the specific function you want to test.
>
> Please check the excellent boost documentation:
> http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_52_0/libs/math/doc/sf_and_dist/html/index.html
>
>
> I don't think we have equivalent studies over our native versions :(.
>
>>
>> More bugs come from overconfidence than from a respectful humility and
>> realization that the work we do is critical for millions of users and
>> that we should do everything possible to ensure that our code is
>> tested by more than just our own personal feelings of satisfaction.
>> IMHO.
>>
>
> Rather than overconfidence we are having respectful humility and realization
> that our homebrew implementations don't really compare against the boost
> versions.
>

So there are two things here:

1) All the junk out to the 12th decimal place that might matter to a
few people and which might be improved by moving to boost

2) The edge stuff where we can very well break real world spreadsheets
if we're not careful.

This is not entirely about the 12th decimal place.  I was one of the
co-authors of the OpenFormula specification used in ODF.  There is
more there than just mathematical fact.  There are a lot of
conventions, purely pragmatic conventions, involved in spreadsheet
formulas, and we need to get those right as well.

For example, take the POWER() function.  POWER(x;y) == x^y.   So what
is POWER(0;0) ?   I'm sure boost returns something there.  But is it
the same as AOO 3.4.1 returns?  And does it conform to OpenFormula?

Another example.  We have ISERR() and ISNA() functions.  We make a
distinction between "Not a number" (the result of 0/0) and other
errors.  A spreadsheet user may have error handling logic that is
sensitive to this.  So we need to make sure that changing in
implementation don't introduce changes in what errors are returned.
Again, this is a convention, not a mathematical fact that we can just
assume boost gets right.

So we need to be very careful about how things interact at the level
of range and domain errors. NaN, etc.  It is possible that AOO 3.4.1
works correctly in some cases purely by accident, because the system
routines "do the right thing".  Then we switch to a different library
and it breaks, even though the library is justifiably correct.

So before we attempt a brain transplant with the spreadsheet formulas,
let's make sure we're all comfortable with the real-world risk this
introduces and have a plan to find (and fix) the bugs this will
inevitably introduce.  Of course, this is not a demand on you
personally, but a challenge for the project overall.

Regards,

-Rob

>
> Of course that doesn't mean we should replace everything, but perhaps since
> Regina knows this better she can make informed suggestions..
>
> Pedro.

Re: Incompatible changes in AOO 4.0 ?

[Pedro Giffuni]

Hello Regina;


I looked into the AOO code and the situation is actually a less critical than
I thought: we don't use the system libraries for the hyperbolic functions but
instead we have our own implementations in the SAL layer.

- Messaggio originale -
> Da: Regina Henschel

> 
> Hi Pedro, hi Andrew,
> 
> Pedro Giffuni schrieb:
...
>> 
>>  I did just a very small set of changes for asinh, acosh, atanh and a some
>>  internal power functions .. just for testing.
>> 
>>  Since there is interest in this I opened a Bugzilla issue with the patch:
>>  https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121561
>> 
>> 
>>  There's also a spreadsheet with some basic tests.

I haven't been able to look at the boost implementation. They do have some
tests but from the implementation description we could improve our testing..
I will probably look at that next year :).

>>>  Would want to compare expected group actual and old to new.
>>> 
>>>  Would want to devise test cases against both common and edge cases.
>>> 
>>>  Also curios about time impact, does it take more time or less.
>>> 
> 
> Yes, the needed calculation time is critical. There are some places in 
> the code, where I had stopped a loop at a fixed count, so that the 
> calculation time is not too long.
>

To be honest, computers are so fast these days that I think most people
may sacrifice some performance in exchange for accuracy.

>> 
>> 
>>  The differences are insignificant comparing FreeBSD amd64 (with boost)
>>  vs a VM running Windows XP with Symphony, but I am sure someone
>>  can come up with more creative tests :).
> 
> For accuracy you need a comparison to a value which is calculated 
> without the restriction to data type double. For single values Wolfram 
> Alpha might work, for a larger set of test cases a computer algebra 
> system might be appropriate.
> 

That's a good idea, thanks!

While in Germany I actually met someone from REDUCE, I 'll have to get
back to that.


cheers,

Pedro.

Re: Incompatible changes in AOO 4.0 ?

[Pedro Giffuni]

- Messaggio originale -
> Da: Rob Weir 
> 
> On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Pedro Giffuni  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>  - Messaggio originale -
>>>  Da: Rob Weir
>>  ...
 
   Please feel free to contribute a spreadsheet that calculates the 
> edge
   cases. Any contribution of that kind is welcome, and that's 
> why this
>>>  list
   exists.
 
>>> 
>>>  Well, what does boost use for its own testing?  They must do some sort
>>>  of testing?   Is there something we can easily convert into a
>>>  spreadsheet?  That would help in two ways. since we could test the
>>>  existing implementation against the same test cases, to see if there
>>>  actually are any issues.   I assume that would be good to know.
>>> 
>> 
>>  This is not something one checks by grabbing someone else's testsuite,
>>  it depends on the specific function you want to test.
>> 
>>  Please check the excellent boost documentation:
>> 
> http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_52_0/libs/math/doc/sf_and_dist/html/index.html
>> 
>> 
>>  I don't think we have equivalent studies over our native versions :(.
>> 
>>> 
>>>  More bugs come from overconfidence than from a respectful humility and
>>>  realization that the work we do is critical for millions of users and
>>>  that we should do everything possible to ensure that our code is
>>>  tested by more than just our own personal feelings of satisfaction.
>>>  IMHO.
>>> 
>> 
>>  Rather than overconfidence we are having respectful humility and 
> realization
>>  that our homebrew implementations don't really compare against the 
> boost
>>  versions.
>> 
> 
> So there are two things here:
> 
> 1) All the junk out to the 12th decimal place that might matter to a
> few people and which might be improved by moving to boost
> 
> 2) The edge stuff where we can very well break real world spreadsheets
> if we're not careful.
> 
> This is not entirely about the 12th decimal place.  I was one of the
> co-authors of the OpenFormula specification used in ODF.  There is
> more there than just mathematical fact.  There are a lot of
> conventions, purely pragmatic conventions, involved in spreadsheet
> formulas, and we need to get those right as well.
> 
> For example, take the POWER() function.  POWER(x;y) == x^y.   So what
> is POWER(0;0) ?   I'm sure boost returns something there.  But is it
> the same as AOO 3.4.1 returns?  And does it conform to OpenFormula?
> 
> Another example.  We have ISERR() and ISNA() functions.  We make a
> distinction between "Not a number" (the result of 0/0) and other
> errors.  A spreadsheet user may have error handling logic that is
> sensitive to this.  So we need to make sure that changing in
> implementation don't introduce changes in what errors are returned.
> Again, this is a convention, not a mathematical fact that we can just
> assume boost gets right.
> 
> So we need to be very careful about how things interact at the level
> of range and domain errors. NaN, etc.  It is possible that AOO 3.4.1
> works correctly in some cases purely by accident, because the system
> routines "do the right thing".  Then we switch to a different library
> and it breaks, even though the library is justifiably correct.
> 

Please check the boost documentation regarding Policy.

Pedro.

Re: Incompatible changes in AOO 4.0 ?

[Andrea Pescetti]

Rob Weir wrote:

For example, take the POWER() function.  POWER(x;y) == x^y.   So what
is POWER(0;0) ?   I'm sure boost returns something there.  But is it
the same as AOO 3.4.1 returns?  And does it conform to OpenFormula?


Does OpenFormula provide test documents (I'm thinking of a .ods file 
with references to paragraphs from the standard) that can be used to 
check an implementation's behavior on edge cases?


If I recall correctly, OpenFormula allows a certain flexibility in some 
edge cases (i.e., the behavior is "implementation defined" and more than 
one possibility exists as long as it is consistent). But, if we had a 
test document like that, we could scan for differences also between 
versions of OpenOffice, in case we change Calc so that it still obeys 
the OpenFormula specification but gives different results.


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: Viewer for OpenOffice on iOS

[Rob Weir]

On Dec 31, 2012, at 7:45 AM, Armin Le Grand  wrote:

> Hi List,
>
> my wife showed me the following link which leads to the AppStore, to an AOO 
> ODF format raeder application nicely using the AOO logo, link is
>
> https://itunes.apple.com/de/app/ooreader/id480844649?mt=8



Interesting. But does anyone recall giving permission to use the logo?
 The way they are using it appears (to me at least) a relationship
with the AOO project which is unwarranted.

-Rob


>
> Juat wanted to share with all, looks interesting. Did anyone check this out, 
> maybe compared with the already available Syphony viewer which is also free? 
> They offer a 'profesional' version for money which shall be capable of 
> biggerr files, too (not so good, but...)
>
> Happy new year!
> Armin
>
> --
> ALG (iPad)

Re: Viewer for OpenOffice on iOS

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 12-12-31, at 11:53 , Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Dec 31, 2012, at 7:45 AM, Armin Le Grand  wrote:
> 
>> Hi List,
>> 
>> my wife showed me the following link which leads to the AppStore, to an AOO 
>> ODF format raeder application nicely using the AOO logo, link is
>> 
>> https://itunes.apple.com/de/app/ooreader/id480844649?mt=8
> 
> 
> 
> Interesting. But does anyone recall giving permission to use the logo?
> The way they are using it appears (to me at least) a relationship
> with the AOO project which is unwarranted.
> 
I checked if we'd granted them permission to use OpenOffice.org logo etc back 
in the day but came up with no record of that. (It would be in the logos@ 
openofficedotorg list, a private one but archived, or was, once.) BML Solutions 
is evidently based in Montreal, thus, as the loonie flies, not far from me. I 
can contact them and ask them about this, as well as their general work, and 
ask them to work with us, as we require all to do. 

My guess is that they are operating in ignorance of our very reasonable rules 
or under innocent assumptions. But I like to think the best of people.


> -Rob

Cheers,
Louis

PS I downloaded it and have been playing with it. I do think they'd be 
worthwhile to include in the community, as they represent that most essential 
element of any large open source project, the ecosystem.
> 
> 
>> 
>> Juat wanted to share with all, looks interesting. Did anyone check this out, 
>> maybe compared with the already available Syphony viewer which is also free? 
>> They offer a 'profesional' version for money which shall be capable of 
>> biggerr files, too (not so good, but...)
>> 
>> Happy new year!
>> Armin
>> 
>> --
>> ALG (iPad)

Re: Viewer for OpenOffice on iOS

[Rob Weir]

On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts  wrote:
>
> On 12-12-31, at 11:53 , Rob Weir  wrote:
>
>> On Dec 31, 2012, at 7:45 AM, Armin Le Grand  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi List,
>>>
>>> my wife showed me the following link which leads to the AppStore, to an AOO 
>>> ODF format raeder application nicely using the AOO logo, link is
>>>
>>> https://itunes.apple.com/de/app/ooreader/id480844649?mt=8
>>
>>
>>
>> Interesting. But does anyone recall giving permission to use the logo?
>> The way they are using it appears (to me at least) a relationship
>> with the AOO project which is unwarranted.
>>
> I checked if we'd granted them permission to use OpenOffice.org logo etc back 
> in the day but came up with no record of that. (It would be in the logos@ 
> openofficedotorg list, a private one but archived, or was, once.) BML 
> Solutions is evidently based in Montreal, thus, as the loonie flies, not far 
> from me. I can contact them and ask them about this, as well as their general 
> work, and ask them to work with us, as we require all to do.
>

Do you get any sense of whether their app involves any AOO code at
all?   IMHO, it would be hard to justify giving permission to use the
logo if the app involved neither the community nor the code.

> My guess is that they are operating in ignorance of our very reasonable rules 
> or under innocent assumptions. But I like to think the best of people.
>

>> -Rob
>
> Cheers,
> Louis
>
> PS I downloaded it and have been playing with it. I do think they'd be 
> worthwhile to include in the community, as they represent that most essential 
> element of any large open source project, the ecosystem.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Juat wanted to share with all, looks interesting. Did anyone check this 
>>> out, maybe compared with the already available Syphony viewer which is also 
>>> free? They offer a 'profesional' version for money which shall be capable 
>>> of biggerr files, too (not so good, but...)
>>>
>>> Happy new year!
>>> Armin
>>>
>>> --
>>> ALG (iPad)
>

Re: Viewer for OpenOffice on iOS

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi,
On 12-12-31, at 11:53 , Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Dec 31, 2012, at 7:45 AM, Armin Le Grand  wrote:
> 
>> Hi List,
>> 
>> my wife showed me the following link which leads to the AppStore, to an AOO 
>> ODF format raeder application nicely using the AOO logo, link is
>> 
>> https://itunes.apple.com/de/app/ooreader/id480844649?mt=8
> 
> 
> 
> Interesting. But does anyone recall giving permission to use the logo?
> The way they are using it appears (to me at least) a relationship
> with the AOO project which is unwarranted.
> 

Oh, btw, BML Solutions is not a "they" but a "he" (See the LinkedIn account 
http://www.linkedin.com/company/895409?trk=tyah)
> -Rob
> 
> 
>> 
>> Juat wanted to share with all, looks interesting. Did anyone check this out, 
>> maybe compared with the already available Syphony viewer which is also free? 
>> They offer a 'profesional' version for money which shall be capable of 
>> biggerr files, too (not so good, but...)
>> 
>> Happy new year!
>> Armin
>> 
>> --
>> ALG (iPad)

Re: Incompatible changes in AOO 4.0 ?

[Rob Weir]

On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> For example, take the POWER() function.  POWER(x;y) == x^y.   So what
>> is POWER(0;0) ?   I'm sure boost returns something there.  But is it
>> the same as AOO 3.4.1 returns?  And does it conform to OpenFormula?
>
>
> Does OpenFormula provide test documents (I'm thinking of a .ods file with
> references to paragraphs from the standard) that can be used to check an
> implementation's behavior on edge cases?
>

When we started the OpenFormula specification we intended to provide a
full set of test cases for every function.  You can still see this in
the earlier drafts.  But we ended up removing all the test cases
before the standard was published.  Why did we do this?  It is
somewhat related to the old proverb, "Never go to sea with two
compasses.".   A standard should define behavior in one place and one
place only.  If you have two definitions (in the text and in test
cases) then you create an additional failure mode -- the definitions
could disagree.

This is not just a theoretical concern.  The OOXML formula
specification contained test cases and in several instances they
contradict the definition of the function.

So this is an example of where seems like a good idea to the engineer
is considered a problem for the standards editor.

That said, this was a controversial decision and there were good
arguments on both sides.

> If I recall correctly, OpenFormula allows a certain flexibility in some edge
> cases (i.e., the behavior is "implementation defined" and more than one
> possibility exists as long as it is consistent). But, if we had a test
> document like that, we could scan for differences also between versions of
> OpenOffice, in case we change Calc so that it still obeys the OpenFormula
> specification but gives different results.
>

I think I have something that might help, a test spreadsheet we used
in an ODF Plugfest a few years ago.  It is not complete, but could be
a start.  But it was more useful for the gross behavior of date,
logical and financial functions.  It was not intended to test
numerical accuracy of special mathematical functions.

Regards,

-Rob

> Regards,
>   Andrea.

[EXT] Dictionary extension for a Latin transcription of Persian

[Hamid Farroukh]

Greeting
I have made a dictionray extension for the transcription of Persian with Latin 
alphabet. That means, I have a way of writting Persian as I would write English 
or German. This should help joung Persians living in the US and Europe to learn 
Persian and write Persian texts. It works fine in OpenOffice 3.4.1 on Windows 
8. As Persian is a rtl-script I had to choose another western language, in 
order to make it work. Currently, I choose Esperanto. I have two questions:

1- Is it possible to use a custom dictionary for Persian as a "western 
language"? Users should see an entry in the language selection indicating 
Persian.
2- If not, may I publish it to the extension page for others to use? Users 
should know that they can use this dictionary, when they chhose Esperanto as 
language. Or would I viloate some policies?

Thank you very much in advance.

Re: [discussion] Buildbot standard a.o or our own.

[Andrew Rist]

On 12/31/2012 2:09 AM, janI wrote:

Is there a reason why we use our own buildbot and not one of the infra
supported ones, like e.g. Continuum.
We /are/ using the ASF buildbot infrastructure.  So I'm kind of confused 
by the question.

check http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/
Also, the decision to go with buildbot, vs maven or something else in 
the ASF ci quiver was due to the complexity of our build.
Add to that the strange gymnastics we have to do on Windows (Herbert 
will attest to the strangeness!!) it is pretty much the only option as I 
see it.


A.


Sharing servers with other and having other people maintain the build
routines should be to our advantage.

Or do I see life in the wrong light ?

rgds
Jan I

Re: Viewer for OpenOffice on iOS

[Kay Schenk]

On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts 
> wrote:
> >
> > On 12-12-31, at 11:53 , Rob Weir  wrote:
> >
> >> On Dec 31, 2012, at 7:45 AM, Armin Le Grand 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi List,
> >>>
> >>> my wife showed me the following link which leads to the AppStore, to
> an AOO ODF format raeder application nicely using the AOO logo, link is
> >>>
> >>> https://itunes.apple.com/de/app/ooreader/id480844649?mt=8
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Interesting. But does anyone recall giving permission to use the logo?
> >> The way they are using it appears (to me at least) a relationship
> >> with the AOO project which is unwarranted.
> >>
> > I checked if we'd granted them permission to use OpenOffice.org logo etc
> back in the day but came up with no record of that. (It would be in the
> logos@ openofficedotorg list, a private one but archived, or was, once.)
> BML Solutions is evidently based in Montreal, thus, as the loonie flies,
> not far from me. I can contact them and ask them about this, as well as
> their general work, and ask them to work with us, as we require all to do.
> >
>
> Do you get any sense of whether their app involves any AOO code at
> all?   IMHO, it would be hard to justify giving permission to use the
> logo if the app involved neither the community nor the code.
>

My feeling is they just use the graphic logo to bring heightened attention
to this product, OOReader. (just as a graphic element for the page, nothing
else)

But, use of this logo in this case since it does not seem to be directly
linking to our site, is probably in violation of the ASF trademarks policy:

 http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/


> > My guess is that they are operating in ignorance of our very reasonable
> rules or under innocent assumptions. But I like to think the best of people.
> >
>
> >> -Rob
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Louis
> >
> > PS I downloaded it and have been playing with it. I do think they'd be
> worthwhile to include in the community, as they represent that most
> essential element of any large open source project, the ecosystem.
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Juat wanted to share with all, looks interesting. Did anyone check
> this out, maybe compared with the already available Syphony viewer which is
> also free? They offer a 'profesional' version for money which shall be
> capable of biggerr files, too (not so good, but...)
> >>>
> >>> Happy new year!
> >>> Armin
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> ALG (iPad)
> >
>



-- 

MzK

"No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted."
 --
Aesop

Re: [discussion] Buildbot standard a.o or our own.

[Dave Fisher]

Hi Andrew,

On Dec 31, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Andrew Rist wrote:

> 
> On 12/31/2012 2:09 AM, janI wrote:
>> Is there a reason why we use our own buildbot and not one of the infra
>> supported ones, like e.g. Continuum.
> We /are/ using the ASF buildbot infrastructure.  So I'm kind of confused by 
> the question.
> check http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/
> Also, the decision to go with buildbot, vs maven or something else in the ASF 
> ci quiver was due to the complexity of our build.
> Add to that the strange gymnastics we have to do on Windows (Herbert will 
> attest to the strangeness!!) it is pretty much the only option as I see it.

You and the rest of the buildbot team do a tremendous job!

Best Regards,
Dave

> 
> A.
>> 
>> Sharing servers with other and having other people maintain the build
>> routines should be to our advantage.
>> 
>> Or do I see life in the wrong light ?
>> 
>> rgds
>> Jan I
>> 
> 

Re: info: Additional Licensing requirements if any for use of Open Office for Professional Work in Companies

[Andrea Pescetti]

anand.vasappanavara wrote:

Thank you for your reply & wish you a happy & a prosperous new year 2013.
Please do not mind me asking but can you let me know your views on Libre
Office (documentation foundation) & Open Office org (Apache foundation)


This is a legitimate and natural question, but, due to the large number 
of subscribers to our mailing lists (some of whom have strong feelings 
on the matter) and due to the OpenOffice project policy (all 
project-relevant discussions are held in public, so everybody can have a 
say), it can derail a good discussion like this one into a chaos of 
factoids and personal preferences.


So, considering that we are on an OpenOffice mailing list, I'll just 
state things that you probably already know, i.e., that OpenOffice 
decided to have relatively infrequent (i.e., one in 3-6 months or so) 
releases, focusing on careful testing and quality (for example, the 
OpenOffice source code contains translations in 100+ languages but the 
project decided to release only those languages that are fully 
translated; and new translation volunteers are showing up on a nearly 
daily basis). I've already described the license in my previous message. 
And a good thing of free and open source software is that you can always 
try and make your own opinion!



If the Open Source usage drive is successful in one Tata company, it
will then rapidly penetrate into our other 70 odd companies in India &
the world.


I really wish you the best. It would be nice if you kept us informed if 
you decide to try OpenOffice. And, if you need any help or want to 
suggest possible improvements, you are welcome to contact the "dev" 
mailing list (the right one for generic questions; no need to add other 
mailing lists) again.


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: 30 million downloads, year end blog post

[Rory O'Farrell]

The download count on main D/L page ought be updated to show the 30+ million.

-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

Re: Viewer for OpenOffice on iOS

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 12-12-31, at 12:05 , Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts  wrote:
>> 
>> On 12-12-31, at 11:53 , Rob Weir  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Dec 31, 2012, at 7:45 AM, Armin Le Grand  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi List,
 
 my wife showed me the following link which leads to the AppStore, to an 
 AOO ODF format raeder application nicely using the AOO logo, link is
 
 https://itunes.apple.com/de/app/ooreader/id480844649?mt=8
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Interesting. But does anyone recall giving permission to use the logo?
>>> The way they are using it appears (to me at least) a relationship
>>> with the AOO project which is unwarranted.
>>> 
>> I checked if we'd granted them permission to use OpenOffice.org logo etc 
>> back in the day but came up with no record of that. (It would be in the 
>> logos@ openofficedotorg list, a private one but archived, or was, once.) BML 
>> Solutions is evidently based in Montreal, thus, as the loonie flies, not far 
>> from me. I can contact them and ask them about this, as well as their 
>> general work, and ask them to work with us, as we require all to do.
>> 
> 
> Do you get any sense of whether their app involves any AOO code at
> all?   IMHO, it would be hard to justify giving permission to use the
> logo if the app involved neither the community nor the code.

I don't know about the code, haven't checked (busy). I was simply going to ask 
the developer, and point him to the published principles governing use of the 
trademark. I can cc this or any list when I do that. 

louis

Starting Infrastructure Module

[samuel]

Hi i am learning about the infrastruture module.

Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[samuel]

Hi all!!!,
My name is Samuel Francis Odihiri. I just concluded my undergraduate 
studies at Staffordshire university UK, My interest is in  Java and C# 
programming languages although in my spare time i learn to program in C. 
I am a Manchester United fan and love watching my footy. I am Looking 
forward to meeting other voluteers i.e professional developers - that i 
can learn from - and developers of my level of coding experience were we 
can share thoughts and improve the over all goal and aim of the Apache 
Foundation.

Re: [discussion] Buildbot standard a.o or our own.

[jan iversen]

excuse me I did NOT say that anybody did a bad job! on the contrary I
think a lot of people do a real big job  I simply try to make the job
easier. but I do understand when a polite question is unwanted.

sorry for suggestion a possible improvement that will not happen again.

Jan i
Den 31/12/2012 19.23 skrev "Dave Fisher" :

> Hi Andrew,
>
> On Dec 31, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Andrew Rist wrote:
>
> >
> > On 12/31/2012 2:09 AM, janI wrote:
> >> Is there a reason why we use our own buildbot and not one of the infra
> >> supported ones, like e.g. Continuum.
> > We /are/ using the ASF buildbot infrastructure.  So I'm kind of confused
> by the question.
> > check http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/
> > Also, the decision to go with buildbot, vs maven or something else in
> the ASF ci quiver was due to the complexity of our build.
> > Add to that the strange gymnastics we have to do on Windows (Herbert
> will attest to the strangeness!!) it is pretty much the only option as I
> see it.
>
> You and the rest of the buildbot team do a tremendous job!
>
> Best Regards,
> Dave
>
> >
> > A.
> >>
> >> Sharing servers with other and having other people maintain the build
> >> routines should be to our advantage.
> >>
> >> Or do I see life in the wrong light ?
> >>
> >> rgds
> >> Jan I
> >>
> >
>
>

Re: [discussion] Buildbot standard a.o or our own.

[Dave Fisher]

Jan,

On Dec 31, 2012, at 12:11 PM, jan iversen wrote:

> excuse me I did NOT say that anybody did a bad job! on the contrary I
> think a lot of people do a real big job  I simply try to make the job
> easier. but I do understand when a polite question is unwanted.

How did my answer to Andrew imply any of the above?

> 
> sorry for suggestion a possible improvement that will not happen again.

Please keep asking questions. You suggested that we use one of the ASF 
supported tools like Continuum. Please see 
http://www.apache.org/dev/services.html#build which lists, Continuum, Buildbot, 
Gump and Jenkins.

Andrew answered that we are using one of ASF supported tools - Buildbot. A lot 
of projects use it - http://ci.apache.org/builders Note that the Apache CMS 
also uses Buildbot.

I was thanking Andrew explicitly because he is generally silent in his work.

Happy New Year!

And THANK YOU JAN for your hard work! Your contributions are appreciated!

Regards,
Dave

> 
> Jan i
> Den 31/12/2012 19.23 skrev "Dave Fisher" :
> 
>> Hi Andrew,
>> 
>> On Dec 31, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Andrew Rist wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/31/2012 2:09 AM, janI wrote:
 Is there a reason why we use our own buildbot and not one of the infra
 supported ones, like e.g. Continuum.
>>> We /are/ using the ASF buildbot infrastructure.  So I'm kind of confused
>> by the question.
>>> check http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/
>>> Also, the decision to go with buildbot, vs maven or something else in
>> the ASF ci quiver was due to the complexity of our build.
>>> Add to that the strange gymnastics we have to do on Windows (Herbert
>> will attest to the strangeness!!) it is pretty much the only option as I
>> see it.
>> 
>> You and the rest of the buildbot team do a tremendous job!
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>>> 
>>> A.
 
 Sharing servers with other and having other people maintain the build
 routines should be to our advantage.
 
 Or do I see life in the wrong light ?
 
 rgds
 Jan I
 
>>> 
>> 
>> 

Thanks for this great Year

[Raphael Bircher]

Hi at all

I like to thanks everyone here for the great work we have done this 
year. For my point of view, it was one of the best year from the 
Project. Take a look at the committer we voted in, take a look, at what 
we have done, and moast important, take a look at the Team.


Even I was silent in the past months, I'm verry happy to work with you. 
We have a load of people who doing instead of requesting. That's 
community, and that's Apache.


Who ever, We have a load of challanges ahead. We need this strong 
community, and we have to continue working hard. But with this team, I'm 
sure we doing this! Again thanks to all, and the next year is our year.



Samething personal: At the beginning of this year I wrote a mail, that I 
made progress in my fight, to walk normal. I have Cerebral Palsy. I this 
Year i made the biggest progress since maybe 18 years. Alone in the 
November I was going 1 second faster over 50m. This Result I haven't 
expected at all. It proofs me, that I can made progress, even with 32 years.


I simply want to share this personal Storry with you too.

Go for it! Apache OpenOffice Community

Greetings Raphael

Re: old business...old OpenOffice domain names registered by Oracle (primarily)

[Andrew Rist]

On 12/30/2012 5:36 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

On 02/11/2012 Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Actually these domains are still there: I tested 5 random ones from
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4906 and as Dave wrote they
appear to have been (auto)renewed. They do not resolve, but WHOIS shows
that they still exist and still belong to Oracle.
Which means that https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4906 can
progress normally with the transfer of ownership of those domains to the
ASF. I asked on the issue page details on the next steps.


I've seen no developments on this old issue. This is something that 
the project can only marginally control, since it requires a handover 
of the domain names from Oracle to r...@apache.org ; did the 
discussion between Oracle and root even start? Refer to the issue page 
(link above) for more information.
You'll notice the issue is from me.  at the time I created the JIRA I 
had all of the domains released for transfer.  I'm not sure if they are 
still in that state (probably not), but if someone wants to get this 
going again, I will make sure to cover whatever actions need to happen 
on the Oracle side.


A.



Regards,
  Andrea.

first look at a scrolling News column...

[Kay Schenk]

Well, I have finally put up a mockup of what a scrolling News column on our
home page would look like.

This is in the "test" area on staging at the moment.

http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/test/

This required editing changes to the index page and a minor styling change
for the home.css styles along with using an ssi for the news instead of two
areas.

For this mockup, I did take out a LOT of old news.

Anyway, see what you think. I find the scroll bars a bit ugly but we may be
able to pretty them up somehow.

This will save the hassle we currently do with the News items however.

-- 

MzK

"No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted."
 --
Aesop

Re: Thanks for this great Year

[Kay Schenk]

On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Raphael Bircher  wrote:

> Hi at all
>
> I like to thanks everyone here for the great work we have done this year.
> For my point of view, it was one of the best year from the Project. Take a
> look at the committer we voted in, take a look, at what we have done, and
> moast important, take a look at the Team.
>
> Even I was silent in the past months, I'm verry happy to work with you. We
> have a load of people who doing instead of requesting. That's community,
> and that's Apache.
>
> Who ever, We have a load of challanges ahead. We need this strong
> community, and we have to continue working hard. But with this team, I'm
> sure we doing this! Again thanks to all, and the next year is our year.
>
>
> Samething personal: At the beginning of this year I wrote a mail, that I
> made progress in my fight, to walk normal. I have Cerebral Palsy. I this
> Year i made the biggest progress since maybe 18 years. Alone in the
> November I was going 1 second faster over 50m. This Result I haven't
> expected at all. It proofs me, that I can made progress, even with 32 years.
>
> I simply want to share this personal Storry with you too.
>
> Go for it! Apache OpenOffice Community
>
> Greetings Raphael
>

Yes, we have made a LOT of progress this year! And, good news about your
continued progress this year as well.

Happy New Year to us all! :)
-- 

MzK

"No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted."
 --
Aesop

Re: Presentation for Apache Asia Roadshow 2012 Beijing is available (was: Presentation file under ALv2)

[Kay Schenk]

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Shenfeng Liu  wrote:

> Peter,
>   Thanks very much to consolidate the slides with Apache license!
>   I added the link in the Events Calendar
> wiki
> .
>
> - Shenfeng (Simon)
>

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.


>
>
> 2012/12/29 Peter Junge 
>
> > On 12/27/2012 4:10 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> >
> >> Yes Apache license is applicable to docs and presentations. If
> distributed
> >> via the ASF then they should be Apache licensed.
> >>
> >
> > OK, so it's the Apache License v2 that we have been choosing. We added a
> > slide with IPR notices at page #2. The same information is available with
> > the meta data. Anyone, please feel free to review:
> > http://people.apache.org/~pj/**Apache_Asia_Road_Show_2012_**
> > Beijing_OpenOffice_With_ALv2.**odp<
> http://people.apache.org/~pj/Apache_Asia_Road_Show_2012_Beijing_OpenOffice_With_ALv2.odp
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Peter
> >
> >
> >
> >> Ross
> >>
> >> Sent from a mobile device, please excuse mistakes and brevity
> >> On 27 Dec 2012 04:59, "Peter Junge"  wrote:
> >>
> >>  Hi,
> >>>
> >>> does anyone know if there's a common/best practice to put presentation
> >>> files under ALv2 (or maybe another license like CC)? Is ALv2 applicable
> >>> on
> >>> presentations and other documents at all? If yes, how to issue the
> >>> license
> >>> with the presentation file? First page and/or last page and/or footer
> of
> >>> each page and/or metadata?
> >>>
> >>> Concrete Situation: Liu Shengfeng, Liu Dali, Liu Tao and me have been
> >>> presenting at the Apache Asia Roadshow 2012 and want to make our
> >>> presentation file public with a proper license.
> >>>
> >>> Hope everyone had a nice Christmas and wishing a Happy New Year
> >>> Peter
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>



-- 

MzK

"No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted."
 --
Aesop

Re: Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[Kay Schenk]

Hello Samuel --

Thanks for letting us know your progress and about your interests.

Some of the Apache OpenOffice team will be at the upcoming FOSDEM in
Brussels --

https://fosdem.org/2013/

if you can make it there. I'm sure they would love to meet you.

On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 11:12 AM, samuel  wrote:

> Hi all!!!,
> My name is Samuel Francis Odihiri. I just concluded my undergraduate
> studies at Staffordshire university UK, My interest is in  Java and C#
> programming languages although in my spare time i learn to program in C. I
> am a Manchester United fan and love watching my footy. I am Looking forward
> to meeting other voluteers i.e professional developers - that i can learn
> from - and developers of my level of coding experience were we can share
> thoughts and improve the over all goal and aim of the Apache Foundation.
>



-- 

MzK

"No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted."
 --
Aesop

RE: first look at a scrolling News column...

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

The scroll bars aren't that bad.  They will work reasonably well working with a 
touch screen/pad too.

One suggestion: It's helpful if news items are always be dated [;<).

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 15:06
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: first look at a scrolling News column...

Well, I have finally put up a mockup of what a scrolling News column on our
home page would look like.

This is in the "test" area on staging at the moment.

http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/test/

This required editing changes to the index page and a minor styling change
for the home.css styles along with using an ssi for the news instead of two
areas.

For this mockup, I did take out a LOT of old news.

Anyway, see what you think. I find the scroll bars a bit ugly but we may be
able to pretty them up somehow.

This will save the hassle we currently do with the News items however.

-- 

MzK

"No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted."
 --
Aesop

Re: first look at a scrolling News column...

[Larry Gusaas]

On 2012-12-31 5:06 PM Kay Schenk wrote:

Anyway, see what you think. I find the scroll bars a bit ugly but we may be
able to pretty them up somehow.


On my Mac the scroll bars look the same as the scroll bars on every other 
website.

--
_

Larry I. Gusaas
Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
"An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs." - 
Edgard Varese

RE: first look at a scrolling News column...

[Kay.schenk]

Well...unfortunately, the scroll bars don't show up on my phone :( Better 
techniques needed.

Sent from my Samsung smartphone on AT&T

 Original message 
Subject:RE: first look at a scrolling News column...
From:"Dennis E. Hamilton" 
To:dev@openoffice.apache.org
Cc:

The scroll bars aren't that bad.  They will work reasonably well working with a 
touch screen/pad too.

One suggestion: It's helpful if news items are always be dated [;<).

- Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 15:06
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: first look at a scrolling News column...

Well, I have finally put up a mockup of what a scrolling News column on our
home page would look like.

This is in the "test" area on staging at the moment.

http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/test/

This required editing changes to the index page and a minor styling change
for the home.css styles along with using an ssi for the news instead of two
areas.

For this mockup, I did take out a LOT of old news.

Anyway, see what you think. I find the scroll bars a bit ugly but we may be
able to pretty them up somehow.

This will save the hassle we currently do with the News items however.

-- 

MzK

"No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted."
 --
Aesop

Re: info: Additional Licensing requirements if any for use of Open Office for Professional Work in Companies

[anand.vasappanavara]

Dear Andrea, 

Greetings from Tata Motors ! 

Thank you for your mail and yes definetly i will keep you posted about the 
outcome. 
Is it ok to  pass on your mail Id to our IT department to further take this 
forward. 

I suggest use of Adobe Captivate to make multimedia tutorials for all Open 
Office tools, 
this will give a boost to the users to try these tools for their productivity 
requirements.  

Please visit: www.lynda.com/ for sample high quality multimedia tutorials of SW 
tools. 


Have a pleasant day ahead 
Anand Vasappanavara 
09552502340 
Note: This Mail was sent with the help of Mozilla Thunderbird 
 , an Open Source Email Client.


On 1/1/2013 12:14 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:


anand.vasappanavara wrote: 


Thank you for your reply & wish you a happy & a prosperous new 
year 2013. 
Please do not mind me asking but can you let me know your views 
on Libre 
Office (documentation foundation) & Open Office org (Apache 
foundation) 



This is a legitimate and natural question, but, due to the large number 
of subscribers to our mailing lists (some of whom have strong feelings on the 
matter) and due to the OpenOffice project policy (all project-relevant 
discussions are held in public, so everybody can have a say), it can derail a 
good discussion like this one into a chaos of factoids and personal 
preferences. 

So, considering that we are on an OpenOffice mailing list, I'll just 
state things that you probably already know, i.e., that OpenOffice decided to 
have relatively infrequent (i.e., one in 3-6 months or so) releases, focusing 
on careful testing and quality (for example, the OpenOffice source code 
contains translations in 100+ languages but the project decided to release only 
those languages that are fully translated; and new translation volunteers are 
showing up on a nearly daily basis). I've already described the license in my 
previous message. And a good thing of free and open source software is that you 
can always try and make your own opinion! 



If the Open Source usage drive is successful in one Tata 
company, it 
will then rapidly penetrate into our other 70 odd companies in 
India & 
the world. 



I really wish you the best. It would be nice if you kept us informed if 
you decide to try OpenOffice. And, if you need any help or want to suggest 
possible improvements, you are welcome to contact the "dev" mailing list (the 
right one for generic questions; no need to add other mailing lists) again. 

Regards, 
  Andrea. 




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Re: Thanks for this great Year

[Pedro Giffuni]

A huge thank you  from my part to everyone too ...

It was a great year, and the next year will see Apache OpenOffice 4.0 !!

Happy New Year!

Pedro.


- Messaggio originale -
> Da: Raphael Bircher 

> 
> Hi at all
> 
> I like to thanks everyone here for the great work we have done this year. For 
> my 
> point of view, it was one of the best year from the Project. Take a look at 
> the 
> committer we voted in, take a look, at what we have done, and moast 
> important, 
> take a look at the Team.
> 
> Even I was silent in the past months, I'm verry happy to work with you. We 
> have a load of people who doing instead of requesting. That's community, and 
> that's Apache.
> 
> Who ever, We have a load of challanges ahead. We need this strong community, 
> and 
> we have to continue working hard. But with this team, I'm sure we doing 
> this! Again thanks to all, and the next year is our year.
> 
> 
> Samething personal: At the beginning of this year I wrote a mail, that I made 
> progress in my fight, to walk normal. I have Cerebral Palsy. I this Year i 
> made 
> the biggest progress since maybe 18 years. Alone in the November I was going 
> 1 
> second faster over 50m. This Result I haven't expected at all. It proofs me, 
> that I can made progress, even with 32 years.
> 
> I simply want to share this personal Storry with you too.
> 
> Go for it! Apache OpenOffice Community
> 
> Greetings Raphael
>