Re: Community Session

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 11/8/12 2:10 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 3:35 AM, Peter Junge  wrote:
>> On 11/8/2012 10:44 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> [..]
>>
>>>   I recognize Svante Schubert ...
>>
>>
>> Finding Svante twice on that shot is not too surprising after knowing him
>> for a couple of years. :-)
>>
>>
> 
> Is Svante in the photo twice?I thought this was the AOO track, not
> the... Oh, I better keep quiet ;-)

well, we all know Svante and he was quite fast to enter Andrews seat
while he was taken the picture. But Peter noticed this to fast, I
planned to make a quiz out of it ;-)

Juergen



> 
> -Rob
> 
> 
>>>
>>>   - Dennis
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Donald Harbison [mailto:dpharbi...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 17:26
>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Community Session
>>>
>>> Very cool!
>>> Can this image be embedded in one of Andrea's  daily reports?
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 7, 2012, Andrew Rist wrote:
>>>




 Click to view interactively: http://360.io/LWdsMb
 Captured with


 *** stock iPhone disclaimer ***
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: AOO.Next IBM Priorities

[Armin Le Grand]

Hi Alexandro,

On 02.11.2012 21:34, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
-- snip --


This problem is more on the design and paper paradigm. Having a
digitalization of a paper-form forms, we use tables to design as
opposed as to hold tabular data.

A document design should be done with a DTP program something that
Writer is not the optimal software for it. Frame-based software is the
ideal for design documents.

One simple example is the lack of 'rotate' an image in Writer, while
Draw has it.


Yes, that's true and me and Oliver have a note about this in our minds 
to get to a solution, it's an old and annoying problem.



Here we have two scenarios:
1) Import such features into writer.
2) Improve the integration of draw and writer. Draw layers could
easily be taken as a "template" for writer to fill in around Draw
designs.


That's the right direction; to be able to do that efficiently some 
preparations have to be done with which we are active. As a workaround 
for now it is possible to create draw-graphic objects in Writer; these 
*can* be rotated, but do not provide the Writer-typical frabe-object 
borders (one thing DrawingLayer grahic objects vave to learn before we 
will be able to solve this)


HTH!

-- snip

Sincerely,
Armin
--
ALG

Re: AOO.Next IBM Priorities

[Armin Le Grand]

*can* be rotated, but do not provide the Writer-typical frabe-object

oops, should've been 'frame-object', sorry.

ALG

Some photos from ApacheCon

[Andre Fischer]

Hi,

if you like photos that are slightly out of focus and underexposed then 
please go to


http://www.flickr.com/photos/awf-aoo/sets/

I have uploaded some impressions of the ApacheCon.

Best regards,
Andre

Re: AOO.Next IBM Priorities

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 11/2/12 9:23 PM, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
> Hello,
>  
>> From: Lei Wang [mailto:lei.wang.l...@gmail.com] 
> 
>> No, this is property panel in the sidebar, not the sidebar framework.
>>
>> The sidebar framework looks like:
>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Do
>> cked_Task_Pane_Container_-_Tab_User_Interface_Design
> 
> Unfortunately I am not a developer and do not understand exactly the 
> difference.
> 
> 
> Let me ask because Rob wrote something of API:
> 
> Is it possible to program via StarBasic later controls on the empty tab area?

We can take this into account but I assume more that it will be required
to implement a new component and that is not possible via Basic.

But we will think about it and maybe it is possible to find a good
working solution to provide a generic factory... But I don't promise
anything.

Juergen

Fwd: ApacheCon NA: CFP final days & Early Bird registration open!

[Donald Harbison]

Apologies for top posting.

I realize that everyone must be very tired from the excellent effort
putting on the Apache OpenOffice track at ACE this week. More on that in a
separate thread.

For ACNA I recommend we call on our volunteers in the Americas to step
up.To get the ball rolling, I put in a proposal for an overview
presentation to cover the project. [1] I am not recommending we attempt to
build a large track as we did for ACE. Let's see what we can do to put more
meat on the bones of this overview talk though.

To wit: it would be fantastic if we can see more proposals submitted *before
*the deadline of *Sunday, November 11! *
*
*
I'm hoping Dave, Andrew, Kay, Pedro, Nancy, Louis, Ariel, Dennis and others
may be able to do so. Since the venue is in Portland, Oregon, it may be
possible that our Asian colleagues will be able to make the trip. There is
TAC funding available as you can see from the root note here.




[1] *http://s.apache.org/thv*

-- Forwarded message --
From: Sally Khudairi 
Date: Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 6:37 AM
Subject: ApacheCon NA: CFP final days & Early Bird registration open!
To: "annou...@apachecon.com" 


Hello everyone --

Two items of note regarding ApacheCon North America, taking place in
Portland, Oregon, the last week of February 2013.


1) Call for Presentations has been extended to Sunday, 11 November.

ApacheCon will kick off on 24 February with two days of pre-conference
trainings, BarCamp, and hackathon; the main conference + expo is 26-28
February, followed by post-conference sprints, workshops, and team building
events through 2 March.

This year's theme is "Open Source Community Leadership Drives
Enterprise-Grade Innovation", showcasing the diverse applications and
solutions made possible by Apache technologies.

We encourage submissions that demonstrate novel uses of Apache products and
how they are helping to shape the future, including proposals on technical,
business, and community matters for audiences at all levels from beginner
to expert. Demonstrations of real-world experience in solving specific
problems are particularly welcome. Submit your presentation and training
proposals at http://na.apachecon.com/cfp/


Dozens of Apache projects —from Abdera to Apache HTTP Server to
Zookeeper— will be represented across popular topic areas and tracks
that include: Apache Daily (everyday tools, frameworks, and components),
ApacheEE (Java Enterprise projects at the ASF), Big Data, Enterprise
Messaging & Integration, Cloud, Linked Data, Lucene/Solr &
Friends (Smart Search & Analytics), Modular Java, NoSQL Database,
OFBiz (Open Source Enterprise Resource Planning), Apache OpenOffice, Web
Infrastructure, Business & Community, and many more.


Travel assistance is available for select individuals who qualify. To
apply, visit https://www.apache.org/travel/


Selected Speakers/Trainers will be notified on 26 November.



2) Early-Bird registration is NOW OPEN.


The SUPER EARLY BIRD registration rate is $1,095 ($330 less than last
year!), but you must register by 31 December, afterwhich the regular
registration fee of $1,395 is in effect. Sign up today at
http://acna13.eventbrite.com/


Discounted hotel room rates are also now available: we encourage you to
book your accommodation as soon as possible, as space is limited. For
details, visit http://na.apachecon.com/venue/



Updates will be posted on the @ApacheCon Twitter feed and the ApacheCon
Website. We look forward to seeing you in Portland!

--the ApacheCon Planning Committee


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Re: My Photos in ApacheCon Europe 2012

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Thanks.
louis

On 9 November 2012 01:28, imacat  wrote:
> My photos in the ApacheCon Europe 2012
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gabjkfhzqcyfw8p/ouBYojX5P9
>
> (I know my 3GS is dying. :p )
>
> --
> Best regards,
> imacat ^_*' 
> PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc
>
> <> News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/
> Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/
> Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/
> OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/
> EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/
> Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/
>

Re: AOO.Next IBM Priorities

[Steve Lee]

Steve Lee
OpenDirective - opendirective.com
On Nov 2, 2012 7:59 AM, "Andre Fischer"  wrote:
>
> On 01.11.2012 17:45, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
>>
>> A quick note, wearing my "IBM hat".
>>
>> We (IBM) have consulted with customers, internal users, other IBM product
>> teams, on what our (IBM's) development priorities should be for the next
>> AOO release.  Obviously, we're not the only ones with priorities or
>> interests or opinions.  We don't make AOO decisions by ourselves.  But we
>> want to be transparent about what our own priorities are, for our
>> employees participating in the AOO community, and what they will be
>> focusing on.   As we did with AOO 3.4.0 and 3.4.1, we'll be putting the
>> details onto the wiki over the next couple of weeks.  You'll hear more at
>> ApacheCon, but I wanted you to hear it hear first.
>>
>> Our top priorities:
>>
>> -- Improve the install and deployment experience, especially by
supporting
>> digital signatures on installs, and introducing a new incremental update
>> feature, so users are not required to download and install a full image
>> for just a minor update.
>>
>> -- A major UI enhancement, a sidebar framework for the editors, ported
>> over from Symphony, and including an API.  If you recall, Symphony won
>> quite a lot of praise for its UI, and much of this was due to the sidebar
>> panel.  I think we can make a good argument that this approach, say
>> compared to the MS Office "ribbon" is a better use of screen real-estate,
>> especially as we see more frequent use of wide screen displays.
>>
>> -- Improved Table of Contents in Writer
>>
>> -- Improved system integration on Windows and MacOS, including possible
>> adoption of "gestures".
>>
>> -- IAccessible2 bridge, ported over from Symphony, to improve
>> accessibility.  This is a major effort, but very important.
>
>
> I will be talking about IAccessible2 as stand in for Steve Yin at the
ApacheCon.
> Please meet me there at 11:45am on Nov 6 (Level 1 Left).

Andre, sorry to mid your talk but I will check the slides. I have 2 points
of information regarding the usefulness of the  IAccessible2 work. Neither
are new but I thought worth restating now to support it being a priority..

1: I just had a conversation with one of developers of NVDA, the popular
screen reader for blind access on Windows. He said right now the Windows
Accessibility story is "terrible" in OSS office solutions. To repeat a
previous observation, there is a real demand for this from the
Accessibility community. This need is also wider than the those using
assistive technology who have visual impairments.

2: I also spotted Hubert Duerr's talk on automated testing in the ApacheCon
programme and thought it worth mentioning that Accessibility APIs provides
a powerful way to automate testing of and via the user interface. At least
2 Linux desktop testing frameworks take this approach using AT/API which is
similar to IA2. I'm sure appealing to the testing market was the reason
Microsoft named their updated Accessibility API "User Interface Automation,
UIA"

Steve Lee
Open Directive

>> -- Closer integration of clipart and template libraries with user
>> experience.
>>
>> -- Update branding and visual styling, contemporary and compelling, fresh
>> and relevant.
>>
>> -- Social integration, allow our users to quickly and easily share their
>> thoughts in a way that compliment their commercial social behavior.
>> Explore the integration of consumer service-specific capabilities as well
>> as generic Share... actions.
>>
>> -- And many other smaller items
>>
>> Obviously the release date for this cannot be pinned down so early, and
>> releasing is PMC decision, not an IBM one.  But we think that this work
>> could be completed and tested for a release in the March/April 2013
>> time-frame.  And the scope of the release might be significant enough to
>> warrant a "4.0" designation.
>>
>> In any case, we'll soon set up a page on the wiki to collect these items.
>> As always, I invite you to add your own priorities to the wiki, things
>> that you would like to work on.  This could be a new feature.  Or, if one
>> of the above items sound interesting to you, we always welcome help
>> designing and implementing these features.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: ApacheCon NA: CFP final days & Early Bird registration open!

[Kay Schenk]

Well I am planning on attending, but not certain about submitting a
proposal, AND I guess I must contact Sally regarding registration fees for
committers...

The former schedule does not seem to be in effect as early bird
registration is open NOW instead of the end of Nov:

http://na.apachecon.com/

so I apparently missed the "Apache Committers’ Super-Saver Rate". :/


On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Donald Harbison wrote:

> Apologies for top posting.
>
> I realize that everyone must be very tired from the excellent effort
> putting on the Apache OpenOffice track at ACE this week. More on that in a
> separate thread.
>
> For ACNA I recommend we call on our volunteers in the Americas to step
> up.To get the ball rolling, I put in a proposal for an overview
> presentation to cover the project. [1] I am not recommending we attempt to
> build a large track as we did for ACE. Let's see what we can do to put more
> meat on the bones of this overview talk though.
>
> To wit: it would be fantastic if we can see more proposals submitted
> *before
> *the deadline of *Sunday, November 11! *
> *
> *
> I'm hoping Dave, Andrew, Kay, Pedro, Nancy, Louis, Ariel, Dennis and others
> may be able to do so. Since the venue is in Portland, Oregon, it may be
> possible that our Asian colleagues will be able to make the trip. There is
> TAC funding available as you can see from the root note here.
>
>
>
>
> [1] *http://s.apache.org/thv*
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Sally Khudairi 
> Date: Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 6:37 AM
> Subject: ApacheCon NA: CFP final days & Early Bird registration open!
> To: "annou...@apachecon.com" 
>
>
> Hello everyone --
>
> Two items of note regarding ApacheCon North America, taking place in
> Portland, Oregon, the last week of February 2013.
>
>
> 1) Call for Presentations has been extended to Sunday, 11 November.
>
> ApacheCon will kick off on 24 February with two days of pre-conference
> trainings, BarCamp, and hackathon; the main conference + expo is 26-28
> February, followed by post-conference sprints, workshops, and team building
> events through 2 March.
>
> This year's theme is "Open Source Community Leadership Drives
> Enterprise-Grade Innovation", showcasing the diverse applications and
> solutions made possible by Apache technologies.
>
> We encourage submissions that demonstrate novel uses of Apache products and
> how they are helping to shape the future, including proposals on technical,
> business, and community matters for audiences at all levels from beginner
> to expert. Demonstrations of real-world experience in solving specific
> problems are particularly welcome. Submit your presentation and training
> proposals at http://na.apachecon.com/cfp/
>
>
> Dozens of Apache projects —from Abdera to Apache HTTP Server to
> Zookeeper— will be represented across popular topic areas and tracks
> that include: Apache Daily (everyday tools, frameworks, and components),
> ApacheEE (Java Enterprise projects at the ASF), Big Data, Enterprise
> Messaging & Integration, Cloud, Linked Data, Lucene/Solr &
> Friends (Smart Search & Analytics), Modular Java, NoSQL Database,
> OFBiz (Open Source Enterprise Resource Planning), Apache OpenOffice, Web
> Infrastructure, Business & Community, and many more.
>
>
> Travel assistance is available for select individuals who qualify. To
> apply, visit https://www.apache.org/travel/
>
>
> Selected Speakers/Trainers will be notified on 26 November.
>
>
>
> 2) Early-Bird registration is NOW OPEN.
>
>
> The SUPER EARLY BIRD registration rate is $1,095 ($330 less than last
> year!), but you must register by 31 December, afterwhich the regular
> registration fee of $1,395 is in effect. Sign up today at
> http://acna13.eventbrite.com/
>
>
> Discounted hotel room rates are also now available: we encourage you to
> book your accommodation as soon as possible, as space is limited. For
> details, visit http://na.apachecon.com/venue/
>
>
>
> Updates will be posted on the @ApacheCon Twitter feed and the ApacheCon
> Website. We look forward to seeing you in Portland!
>
> --the ApacheCon Planning Committee
>
>
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“How wrong is it for a woman to expect the man to build the world
 she wants, rather than to create it herself?”

-- Anais Nin

Fwd: PRIORITY: COMMITTER REG CODE STILL NEEDED [was Re: ApacheCon NA: CFP final days & Early Bird registration open!]

[Kay Schenk]

-- from Sally


 Original Message 
Subject:PRIORITY: COMMITTER REG CODE STILL NEEDED [was Re: ApacheCon
NA: CFP final days & Early Bird registration open!]
Date:   Fri, 9 Nov 2012 17:36:04 + (GMT)
From:   Sally Khudairi 
Reply-To:   Sally Khudairi 
To: Kay Schenk 
CC: ApacheCon Planners 2012-2013 



Hello, Kay.

The rate for Committers is $675 and is valid through 7 December.

I'm still waiting for the discount code, as it isn't in place yet. Once
we have it, we'll announce to the Committers list.

I'm copying the ApacheCon Planning team here for their follow-up. Your
email isn't the first we've received about this.

Thanks in advance, Planners, for your help with this!

Cheers,
Sally
= = = = =
vox +1 617 921 8656
aux +1 917 725 2133
skype sallykhudairi



*From:* Kay Schenk 
*To:* Sally Khudairi 
*Sent:* Friday, 9 November 2012, 12:27
*Subject:* Re: ApacheCon NA: CFP final days & Early Bird
registration open!

Sally --

Can you tell me what the "Apache Committers’ Super-Saver Rate" will
be for this conference. It isn't listed on the registration page and
is supposed to be in effect until Nov. 26 I think.

Thanks.
Kay Schenk,

OpenOffice

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:37 AM, Sally Khudairi mailto:s...@apache.org>> wrote:

Hello everyone --

Two items of note regarding ApacheCon North America, taking
place in Portland, Oregon, the last week of February 2013.


1) Call for Presentations has been extended to Sunday, 11 November.

ApacheCon will kick off on 24 February with two days of
pre-conference trainings, BarCamp, and hackathon; the main
conference + expo is 26-28 February, followed by post-conference
sprints, workshops, and team building events through 2 March.

This year's theme is "Open Source Community Leadership Drives
Enterprise-Grade Innovation", showcasing the diverse
applications and solutions made possible by Apache technologies.

We encourage submissions that demonstrate novel uses of Apache
products and how they are helping to shape the future, including
proposals on technical, business, and community matters for
audiences at all levels from beginner to expert. Demonstrations
of real-world experience in solving specific problems are
particularly welcome. Submit your presentation and training
proposals at http://na.apachecon.com/cfp/


Dozens of Apache projects —from Abdera to Apache HTTP Server to
Zookeeper— will be represented across popular topic areas and 
tracks

that include: Apache Daily (everyday tools, frameworks, and
components), ApacheEE (Java Enterprise projects at the ASF), Big
Data, Enterprise
Messaging & Integration, Cloud, Linked Data, Lucene/Solr &
Friends (Smart Search & Analytics), Modular Java, NoSQL Database,
OFBiz (Open Source Enterprise Resource Planning), Apache
OpenOffice, Web Infrastructure, Business & Community, and many 
more.



Travel assistance is available for select individuals who
qualify. To apply, visit https://www.apache.org/travel/


Selected Speakers/Trainers will be notified on 26 November.



2) Early-Bird registration is NOW OPEN.


The SUPER EARLY BIRD registration rate is $1,095 ($330 less than
last year!), but you must register by 31 December, afterwhich
the regular registration fee of $1,395 is in effect. Sign up
today at http://acna13.eventbrite.com/


Discounted hotel room rates are also now available: we encourage
you to book your accommodation as soon as possible, as space is
limited. For details, visit http://na.apachecon.com/venue/



Updates will be posted on the @ApacheCon Twitter feed and the
ApacheCon Website. We look forward to seeing you in Portland!

--the ApacheCon Planning Committee



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MzK

“How wrong is it for a woman to expect the man to build the world
  she wants, rather than to create it herself?”

  -- Anais Nin

Re: ApacheCon NA: CFP final days & Early Bird registration open!

[Donald Harbison]

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:

> Well I am planning on attending, but not certain about submitting a
> proposal, AND I guess I must contact Sally regarding registration fees for
> committers...
>

Kay, I'd love to hear you do a talk on openoffice.org web infrastructure
and all the amazing details you are so familiar with...in other words,
share your knowledge and expertise. It takes maybe 10 - 15 minutes to
submit an abstract. You could really make a huge difference here.

I think the planners@ folks will sort out the discount codes and other
benefits for speakers and committers. It will likely be messy, but not as
messy as ACE (I hope!).

/don


> The former schedule does not seem to be in effect as early bird
> registration is open NOW instead of the end of Nov:
>
> http://na.apachecon.com/
>
> so I apparently missed the "Apache Committers’ Super-Saver Rate". :/
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Donald Harbison  >wrote:
>
> > Apologies for top posting.
> >
> > I realize that everyone must be very tired from the excellent effort
> > putting on the Apache OpenOffice track at ACE this week. More on that in
> a
> > separate thread.
> >
> > For ACNA I recommend we call on our volunteers in the Americas to step
> > up.To get the ball rolling, I put in a proposal for an overview
> > presentation to cover the project. [1] I am not recommending we attempt
> to
> > build a large track as we did for ACE. Let's see what we can do to put
> more
> > meat on the bones of this overview talk though.
> >
> > To wit: it would be fantastic if we can see more proposals submitted
> > *before
> > *the deadline of *Sunday, November 11! *
> > *
> > *
> > I'm hoping Dave, Andrew, Kay, Pedro, Nancy, Louis, Ariel, Dennis and
> others
> > may be able to do so. Since the venue is in Portland, Oregon, it may be
> > possible that our Asian colleagues will be able to make the trip. There
> is
> > TAC funding available as you can see from the root note here.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [1] *http://s.apache.org/thv*
> >
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Sally Khudairi 
> > Date: Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 6:37 AM
> > Subject: ApacheCon NA: CFP final days & Early Bird registration open!
> > To: "annou...@apachecon.com" 
> >
> >
> > Hello everyone --
> >
> > Two items of note regarding ApacheCon North America, taking place in
> > Portland, Oregon, the last week of February 2013.
> >
> >
> > 1) Call for Presentations has been extended to Sunday, 11 November.
> >
> > ApacheCon will kick off on 24 February with two days of pre-conference
> > trainings, BarCamp, and hackathon; the main conference + expo is 26-28
> > February, followed by post-conference sprints, workshops, and team
> building
> > events through 2 March.
> >
> > This year's theme is "Open Source Community Leadership Drives
> > Enterprise-Grade Innovation", showcasing the diverse applications and
> > solutions made possible by Apache technologies.
> >
> > We encourage submissions that demonstrate novel uses of Apache products
> and
> > how they are helping to shape the future, including proposals on
> technical,
> > business, and community matters for audiences at all levels from beginner
> > to expert. Demonstrations of real-world experience in solving specific
> > problems are particularly welcome. Submit your presentation and training
> > proposals at http://na.apachecon.com/cfp/
> >
> >
> > Dozens of Apache projects —from Abdera to Apache HTTP Server to
> > Zookeeper— will be represented across popular topic areas and tracks
> > that include: Apache Daily (everyday tools, frameworks, and components),
> > ApacheEE (Java Enterprise projects at the ASF), Big Data, Enterprise
> > Messaging & Integration, Cloud, Linked Data, Lucene/Solr &
> > Friends (Smart Search & Analytics), Modular Java, NoSQL Database,
> > OFBiz (Open Source Enterprise Resource Planning), Apache OpenOffice, Web
> > Infrastructure, Business & Community, and many more.
> >
> >
> > Travel assistance is available for select individuals who qualify. To
> > apply, visit https://www.apache.org/travel/
> >
> >
> > Selected Speakers/Trainers will be notified on 26 November.
> >
> >
> >
> > 2) Early-Bird registration is NOW OPEN.
> >
> >
> > The SUPER EARLY BIRD registration rate is $1,095 ($330 less than last
> > year!), but you must register by 31 December, afterwhich the regular
> > registration fee of $1,395 is in effect. Sign up today at
> > http://acna13.eventbrite.com/
> >
> >
> > Discounted hotel room rates are also now available: we encourage you to
> > book your accommodation as soon as possible, as space is limited. For
> > details, visit http://na.apachecon.com/venue/
> >
> >
> >
> > Updates will be posted on the @ApacheCon Twitter feed and the ApacheCon
> > Website. We look forward to seeing you in Portland!
> >
> > --the ApacheCon Planning Committee
> >
> >
> > -
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: announce-unsubscr

Re: ApacheCon NA: CFP final days & Early Bird registration open!

[Kay Schenk]

On 11/09/2012 09:59 AM, Donald Harbison wrote:

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:


Well I am planning on attending, but not certain about submitting a
proposal, AND I guess I must contact Sally regarding registration fees for
committers...



Kay, I'd love to hear you do a talk on openoffice.org web infrastructure
and all the amazing details you are so familiar with...in other words,
share your knowledge and expertise. It takes maybe 10 - 15 minutes to
submit an abstract. You could really make a huge difference here.


Thanks for this suggestion, Don. I'll think about it although I don't 
know how well a topic like that would fit with the conference theme...


"Open Source Community Leadership Drives
>>> Enterprise-Grade Innovation"

It might be fun to see how OpenOffice performs accessing a Hadoop hive? 
:) with jdbc:hive


As a former DB hack, this would be a fun challenge.

OK, I know only an abstract is needed by Sunday. I'll get my brain cells 
moving.





I think the planners@ folks will sort out the discount codes and other
benefits for speakers and committers. It will likely be messy, but not as
messy as ACE (I hope!).

/don



The former schedule does not seem to be in effect as early bird
registration is open NOW instead of the end of Nov:

http://na.apachecon.com/

so I apparently missed the "Apache Committers’ Super-Saver Rate". :/


On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Donald Harbison 
wrote:



Apologies for top posting.

I realize that everyone must be very tired from the excellent effort
putting on the Apache OpenOffice track at ACE this week. More on that in

a

separate thread.

For ACNA I recommend we call on our volunteers in the Americas to step
up.To get the ball rolling, I put in a proposal for an overview
presentation to cover the project. [1] I am not recommending we attempt

to

build a large track as we did for ACE. Let's see what we can do to put

more

meat on the bones of this overview talk though.

To wit: it would be fantastic if we can see more proposals submitted
*before
*the deadline of *Sunday, November 11! *
*
*
I'm hoping Dave, Andrew, Kay, Pedro, Nancy, Louis, Ariel, Dennis and

others

may be able to do so. Since the venue is in Portland, Oregon, it may be
possible that our Asian colleagues will be able to make the trip. There

is

TAC funding available as you can see from the root note here.




[1] *http://s.apache.org/thv*

-- Forwarded message --
From: Sally Khudairi 
Date: Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 6:37 AM
Subject: ApacheCon NA: CFP final days & Early Bird registration open!
To: "annou...@apachecon.com" 


Hello everyone --

Two items of note regarding ApacheCon North America, taking place in
Portland, Oregon, the last week of February 2013.


1) Call for Presentations has been extended to Sunday, 11 November.

ApacheCon will kick off on 24 February with two days of pre-conference
trainings, BarCamp, and hackathon; the main conference + expo is 26-28
February, followed by post-conference sprints, workshops, and team

building

events through 2 March.

This year's theme is "Open Source Community Leadership Drives
Enterprise-Grade Innovation", showcasing the diverse applications and
solutions made possible by Apache technologies.

We encourage submissions that demonstrate novel uses of Apache products

and

how they are helping to shape the future, including proposals on

technical,

business, and community matters for audiences at all levels from beginner
to expert. Demonstrations of real-world experience in solving specific
problems are particularly welcome. Submit your presentation and training
proposals at http://na.apachecon.com/cfp/


Dozens of Apache projects —from Abdera to Apache HTTP Server to
Zookeeper— will be represented across popular topic areas and tracks
that include: Apache Daily (everyday tools, frameworks, and components),
ApacheEE (Java Enterprise projects at the ASF), Big Data, Enterprise
Messaging & Integration, Cloud, Linked Data, Lucene/Solr &
Friends (Smart Search & Analytics), Modular Java, NoSQL Database,
OFBiz (Open Source Enterprise Resource Planning), Apache OpenOffice, Web
Infrastructure, Business & Community, and many more.


Travel assistance is available for select individuals who qualify. To
apply, visit https://www.apache.org/travel/


Selected Speakers/Trainers will be notified on 26 November.



2) Early-Bird registration is NOW OPEN.


The SUPER EARLY BIRD registration rate is $1,095 ($330 less than last
year!), but you must register by 31 December, afterwhich the regular
registration fee of $1,395 is in effect. Sign up today at
http://acna13.eventbrite.com/


Discounted hotel room rates are also now available: we encourage you to
book your accommodation as soon as possible, as space is limited. For
details, visit http://na.apachecon.com/venue/



Updates will be posted on the @ApacheCon Twitter feed and the ApacheCon
Website. We look forward to seeing you in Portland!

--the ApacheCon Planning Co

ApacheCon EU Survey

[Rob Weir]

A few questions for those who attended in Sinsheim from the AOO
project.  I'm hoping these answers will help us decide how to allocate
resources to future events.

On a scale of 1-5, where 1 is lowest and 5 is highest, how effective
was attending ApacheCon EU to you for each of the following:

A. Meeting other AOO project members

B. Gaining new information about AOO from the formal presentations.

C. Gaining new information about AOO from informal discussions with
project members.

D. Gaining new AOO users

E. Recruiting new potential project members

F. Educating others about AOO

G. Learning more about other Apache projects

H. Moving AOO project plans and/or technical decisions forward.


Thanks!

-Rob

Re: My Photos in ApacheCon Europe 2012

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 11/09/2012 07:28 AM, schrieb imacat:

 My photos in the ApacheCon Europe 2012

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gabjkfhzqcyfw8p/ouBYojX5P9

 (I know my 3GS is dying. :p )


Thanks for taking pictures.

Marcus

Re: Some photos from ApacheCon

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 11/09/2012 01:36 PM, schrieb Andre Fischer:

if you like photos that are slightly out of focus and underexposed then
please go to

http://www.flickr.com/photos/awf-aoo/sets/

I have uploaded some impressions of the ApacheCon.


Thanks for your pics - and the comments. ;-)

I wished I could take part - sadly, there was no chance for me to get 
vacation the last days.


Marcus

[DISCUSS] Do we want download links for Dev Builds on a usual webpage?

[Marcus (OOo)]

Hi all,

a quick question as I don't know the status of this request:

Do we (still) want to have download links for Dev Builds that refer to 
the respective people's dir?


Then I would create a webpage that can be included in the usual download 
website - as it was in the former times with OOo.


At the moment there is just a link to the Wiki page.

Marcus

Re: ApacheCon NA: CFP final days & Early Bird registration open!

[Donald Harbison]

On Friday, November 9, 2012, Kay Schenk wrote:

>
>
> On 11/09/2012 09:59 AM, Donald Harbison wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>>
>>  Well I am planning on attending, but not certain about submitting a
>>> proposal, AND I guess I must contact Sally regarding registration fees
>>> for
>>> committers...
>>>
>>>
>> Kay, I'd love to hear you do a talk on openoffice.org web infrastructure
>> and all the amazing details you are so familiar with...in other words,
>> share your knowledge and expertise. It takes maybe 10 - 15 minutes to
>> submit an abstract. You could really make a huge difference here.
>>
>
> Thanks for this suggestion, Don. I'll think about it although I don't know
> how well a topic like that would fit with the conference theme...


Eh, don't worry about the conf marketing. :)


> "Open Source Community Leadership Drives
> >>> Enterprise-Grade Innovation"
>
> It might be fun to see how OpenOffice performs accessing a Hadoop hive? :)
> with jdbc:hive


Hmm, that'd freak out our Watson Solutions gang. Great fun!

>
> As a former DB hack, this would be a fun challenge.
>
> OK, I know only an abstract is needed by Sunday. I'll get my brain cells
> moving.
>
>
>
> I think the planners@ folks will sort out the discount codes and other
> benefits for speakers and committers. It will likely be messy, but not as
> messy as ACE (I hope!).
>
> /don
>
>
>  The former schedule does not seem to be in effect as early bird
> registration is open NOW instead of the end of Nov:
>
> http://na.apachecon.com/
>
> so I apparently missed the "Apache Committers’ Super-Saver Rate". :/
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Donald Harbison 
> wrote:
>
>
>  Apologies for top posting.
>
> I realize that everyone must be very tired from the excellent effort
> putting on the Apache OpenOffice track at ACE this week. More on that in
>
> a
>
> separate thread.
>
> For ACNA I recommend we call on our volunteers in the Americas to step
> up.To get the ball rolling, I put in a proposal for an overview
> presentation to cover the project. [1] I am not recommending we attempt
>
> to
>
> build a large track as we did for ACE. Let's see what we can do to put
>
> more
>
> meat on the bones of this overview talk though.
>
> To wit: it would be fantastic if we can see more proposals submitted
> *before
> *the deadline of *Sunday, November 11! *
> *
> *
> I'm hoping Dave, Andrew, Kay, Pedro, Nancy, Louis, Ariel, Dennis and
>
> others
>
> may be able to do so. Since the venue is in Portland, Oregon, it may be
> possible that our Asian colleagues will be able to make the trip. There
>
> is
>
> TAC funding available as you can see from the root note here.
>
>
>
>
> [1] *http://s.apache.org/thv*
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Sally Khudairi 
> Date: Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 6:37 AM
> Subject: ApacheCon NA: CFP final days & Early Bird registration open!
> To: "annou...@apachecon.com" 
>
>
> Hello everyone --
>
> Two items of note regarding ApacheCon North America, taking place in
> Portland, Oregon, the last week of February 2013.
>
>
> 1) Call for Presentations has been extended to Sunday, 11 November.
>
> ApacheCon will kick off on 24 February with two days of pre-conference
> trainings, BarCamp, and hackathon; the main conference + expo is 26-28
> February, followed by post-conference sprints, workshops, and team
>
> building
>
> events through 2 March.
>
> This year's theme is "Open Source Community Leadership Drives
> Enterprise-Grade Innovation", showcasing the diverse applications and
> solutions made possible by Apache technologies.
>
> We encourage submissions that demonstrate novel uses of Apache products
>
> and
>
> how they are helping to shape the future, including proposals on
>
> technical,
>
> business, and community matters for audiences at all levels from beginner
> to expert. Demonstrations of real-world experience in solving specific
> problems are particularly welcome. Submit your presentation and training
> proposals at http://na.apachecon.com/cfp/
>
>
> Dozens of Apache projects —from Abdera to Apache HTTP Server to
> Zookeeper— will be represented across popular topic areas and tracks
> that include: Apache Daily (everyday tools, frameworks, and components),
> ApacheEE (Java Enterprise projects at the ASF), Big Data, Enterprise
> Messaging & Integration, Cloud, Linked Data, Lucene/Solr &
> Friends (Smart Search & Analytics), Modular Java, NoSQ
>
> --
> --**--**
> 
> MzK
>
> “How wrong is it for a woman to expect the man to build the world
>  she wants, rather than to create it herself?”
> -- Anais Nin
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we want download links for Dev Builds on a usual webpage?

[Rob Weir]

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> a quick question as I don't know the status of this request:
>
> Do we (still) want to have download links for Dev Builds that refer to the
> respective people's dir?
>

IMHO we don't want pages in www.openoffice.org/dowload/* to point to
anything other than actual releases.   Links from Dev, L10n or QA
pages are fine.

> Then I would create a webpage that can be included in the usual download
> website - as it was in the former times with OOo.
>
> At the moment there is just a link to the Wiki page.
>
> Marcus

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we want download links for Dev Builds on a usual webpage?

[jan iversen]

Hi.

In order to make life easier (more stable) for translators, I think it
would be a good idea to "isolate" developer builds on dev. When we have
langauge packs integrated, then we could point to them from l10n, with a
thick note, stating they are only there for testing the language.

In order to make sure they dont get distributed "as released", would it be
an idea (and is it possible) to e.g. disable the actual "save" (not the
button, but the final write call). With such a feature anybody can test
(which is the purpose) but it cannot be used as a product.

Jan.


On 9 November 2012 22:05, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > a quick question as I don't know the status of this request:
> >
> > Do we (still) want to have download links for Dev Builds that refer to
> the
> > respective people's dir?
> >
>
> IMHO we don't want pages in www.openoffice.org/dowload/* to point to
> anything other than actual releases.   Links from Dev, L10n or QA
> pages are fine.
>
> > Then I would create a webpage that can be included in the usual download
> > website - as it was in the former times with OOo.
> >
> > At the moment there is just a link to the Wiki page.
> >
> > Marcus
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we want download links for Dev Builds on a usual webpage?

[Rob Weir]

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 4:30 PM, jan iversen  wrote:
> Hi.
>
> In order to make life easier (more stable) for translators, I think it
> would be a good idea to "isolate" developer builds on dev. When we have
> langauge packs integrated, then we could point to them from l10n, with a
> thick note, stating they are only there for testing the language.
>
> In order to make sure they dont get distributed "as released", would it be
> an idea (and is it possible) to e.g. disable the actual "save" (not the
> button, but the final write call). With such a feature anybody can test
> (which is the purpose) but it cannot be used as a product.
>

So we're all on the same page, this is how I understand the two main
constraints on how we treat pre-release builds:

1) Constraint one is policy.  We distribute releases to the public,
after they've been vetted and approved by the PMC.  We need to avoid
shortcuts that cause software to be distributed to the public outside
of this approval process.

2) Constraint two is bandwidth.  We don't have infinite bandwidth.
That is why we rely on download mirrors for distributing releases and,
in the special case of OpenOffice, SourceForge as well.   We need to
be careful about bandwidth used by posting developer builds on
people.apache.org.

The nightmare scenario is we post a developer build of a popular new
translation, say Korean, and even though it was not intended to be a
public release, someone gets the URL to the people.apache.org install
sets and posts it on a Korean forum or website, and we start getting
millions of downloads from people.apache.org.  This would be bad for
Infra, but also bad for us, since our users would probably not have a
good experience with pre-release software.

So we really need to keep the dev builds "low key", and not make it
very easy for the public to accidentally stumble upon them.


-Rob


> Jan.
>
>
> On 9 November 2012 22:05, Rob Weir  wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > a quick question as I don't know the status of this request:
>> >
>> > Do we (still) want to have download links for Dev Builds that refer to
>> the
>> > respective people's dir?
>> >
>>
>> IMHO we don't want pages in www.openoffice.org/dowload/* to point to
>> anything other than actual releases.   Links from Dev, L10n or QA
>> pages are fine.
>>
>> > Then I would create a webpage that can be included in the usual download
>> > website - as it was in the former times with OOo.
>> >
>> > At the moment there is just a link to the Wiki page.
>> >
>> > Marcus
>>

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we want download links for Dev Builds on a usual webpage?

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 11/09/2012 10:30 PM, schrieb jan iversen:

Hi.

In order to make life easier (more stable) for translators, I think it
would be a good idea to "isolate" developer builds on dev. When we have
langauge packs integrated, then we could point to them from l10n, with a
thick note, stating they are only there for testing the language.


I don't know what you mean with this. But I thought of a page like the 
download/other.html.


It's to get more attention to dev builds. And a little extra "promotion" 
in the kind of a separate download webpage (that is seen by more people 
than the Wiki page) would give more chances for feedback.


However, this is just my opinion and I can live with it if there is no 
majority.



In order to make sure they dont get distributed "as released", would it be
an idea (and is it possible) to e.g. disable the actual "save" (not the
button, but the final write call). With such a feature anybody can test
(which is the purpose) but it cannot be used as a product.


Dev builds are different products. So, it don't get installed as 
OpenOffice but as OOo-Dev. This is valid also for the names or 
directories and therefore user profiles. No interference with the 
production installation.


Marcus




On 9 November 2012 22:05, Rob Weir  wrote:


On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:

Hi all,

a quick question as I don't know the status of this request:

Do we (still) want to have download links for Dev Builds that refer to

the

respective people's dir?



IMHO we don't want pages in www.openoffice.org/dowload/* to point to
anything other than actual releases.   Links from Dev, L10n or QA
pages are fine.


Then I would create a webpage that can be included in the usual download
website - as it was in the former times with OOo.

At the moment there is just a link to the Wiki page.

Marcus

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we want download links for Dev Builds on a usual webpage?

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 11/09/2012 10:50 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 4:30 PM, jan iversen  wrote:

Hi.

In order to make life easier (more stable) for translators, I think it
would be a good idea to "isolate" developer builds on dev. When we have
langauge packs integrated, then we could point to them from l10n, with a
thick note, stating they are only there for testing the language.

In order to make sure they dont get distributed "as released", would it be
an idea (and is it possible) to e.g. disable the actual "save" (not the
button, but the final write call). With such a feature anybody can test
(which is the purpose) but it cannot be used as a product.



So we're all on the same page, this is how I understand the two main
constraints on how we treat pre-release builds:

1) Constraint one is policy.  We distribute releases to the public,
after they've been vetted and approved by the PMC.  We need to avoid
shortcuts that cause software to be distributed to the public outside
of this approval process.

2) Constraint two is bandwidth.  We don't have infinite bandwidth.
That is why we rely on download mirrors for distributing releases and,
in the special case of OpenOffice, SourceForge as well.   We need to
be careful about bandwidth used by posting developer builds on
people.apache.org.


IMHO it shouldn't be a problem to put the dev builds also onto the 
mirrors. The additionally need space it low and more than 2 revisions 
shouldn't be there. However, the upload is an additionally effort. ;-)



The nightmare scenario is we post a developer build of a popular new
translation, say Korean, and even though it was not intended to be a
public release, someone gets the URL to the people.apache.org install
sets and posts it on a Korean forum or website, and we start getting
millions of downloads from people.apache.org.  This would be bad for
Infra, but also bad for us, since our users would probably not have a
good experience with pre-release software.


This can happen also today. It doesn't depend on where the download link 
is located. Just who has found it and where it gets populated.



So we really need to keep the dev builds "low key", and not make it
very easy for the public to accidentally stumble upon them.


OK, understood.

Marcus




On 9 November 2012 22:05, Rob Weir  wrote:


On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:

Hi all,

a quick question as I don't know the status of this request:

Do we (still) want to have download links for Dev Builds that refer to

the

respective people's dir?



IMHO we don't want pages in www.openoffice.org/dowload/* to point to
anything other than actual releases.   Links from Dev, L10n or QA
pages are fine.


Then I would create a webpage that can be included in the usual download
website - as it was in the former times with OOo.

At the moment there is just a link to the Wiki page.

Marcus

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we want download links for Dev Builds on a usual webpage?

[jan iversen]

On 9 November 2012 22:50, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:

> Am 11/09/2012 10:30 PM, schrieb jan iversen:
>
>  Hi.
>>
>> In order to make life easier (more stable) for translators, I think it
>> would be a good idea to "isolate" developer builds on dev. When we have
>> langauge packs integrated, then we could point to them from l10n, with a
>> thick note, stating they are only there for testing the language.
>>
>
> I don't know what you mean with this. But I thought of a page like the
> download/other.html.
>
Sorry for not being clearit was just because rob wrote, that your page
could be linked to from e.g. l10n, which I dont think is a good idea.

but it might be an idea, for developers to have a page like you suggest.


>
> It's to get more attention to dev builds. And a little extra "promotion"
> in the kind of a separate download webpage (that is seen by more people
> than the Wiki page) would give more chances for feedback.
>
> However, this is just my opinion and I can live with it if there is no
> majority.
>
>
>  In order to make sure they dont get distributed "as released", would it be
>> an idea (and is it possible) to e.g. disable the actual "save" (not the
>> button, but the final write call). With such a feature anybody can test
>> (which is the purpose) but it cannot be used as a product.
>>
>
> Dev builds are different products. So, it don't get installed as
> OpenOffice but as OOo-Dev. This is valid also for the names or directories
> and therefore user profiles. No interference with the production
> installation.
>

Well I might have misunderstood it, but when I do a "build --all", I end up
with packages that I can install (at least for ubuntu), and they do not
seem so different from an official release package ?

And as I understand it, snapshot build (which is also a kind of developer
version) is made like an installation.

It is very nice for developers to be able to get a version fast, but I
agree with Rob, that such a version could get popular and distributed,
especially with our current language situation.


> Marcus
>
>
>
>
>  On 9 November 2012 22:05, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>
>>  On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Marcus (OOo)
>>>  wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 a quick question as I don't know the status of this request:

 Do we (still) want to have download links for Dev Builds that refer to

>>> the
>>>
 respective people's dir?


>>> IMHO we don't want pages in www.openoffice.org/dowload/* to point to
>>> anything other than actual releases.   Links from Dev, L10n or QA
>>> pages are fine.
>>>
>>>  Then I would create a webpage that can be included in the usual download
 website - as it was in the former times with OOo.

 At the moment there is just a link to the Wiki page.

 Marcus

>>>

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we want download links for Dev Builds on a usual webpage?

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 11/09/2012 11:05 PM, schrieb jan iversen:

On 9 November 2012 22:50, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:


Am 11/09/2012 10:30 PM, schrieb jan iversen:

  Hi.


In order to make life easier (more stable) for translators, I think it
would be a good idea to "isolate" developer builds on dev. When we have
langauge packs integrated, then we could point to them from l10n, with a
thick note, stating they are only there for testing the language.



I don't know what you mean with this. But I thought of a page like the
download/other.html.


Sorry for not being clearit was just because rob wrote, that your page
could be linked to from e.g. l10n, which I dont think is a good idea.


OK


but it might be an idea, for developers to have a page like you suggest.


The Wiki page should make it already. Otherwise we would indeed end up 
on the normal download webpages.



It's to get more attention to dev builds. And a little extra "promotion"
in the kind of a separate download webpage (that is seen by more people
than the Wiki page) would give more chances for feedback.

However, this is just my opinion and I can live with it if there is no
majority.


  In order to make sure they dont get distributed "as released", would it be

an idea (and is it possible) to e.g. disable the actual "save" (not the
button, but the final write call). With such a feature anybody can test
(which is the purpose) but it cannot be used as a product.



Dev builds are different products. So, it don't get installed as
OpenOffice but as OOo-Dev. This is valid also for the names or directories
and therefore user profiles. No interference with the production
installation.



Well I might have misunderstood it, but when I do a "build --all", I end up
with packages that I can install (at least for ubuntu), and they do not
seem so different from an official release package ?

And as I understand it, snapshot build (which is also a kind of developer
version) is made like an installation.

It is very nice for developers to be able to get a version fast, but I
agree with Rob, that such a version could get popular and distributed,
especially with our current language situation.


Yes, maybe it shouldn't get too popular and the target group is anyway 
limited.


Marcus




  On 9 November 2012 22:05, Rob Weir   wrote:


  On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Marcus (OOo)

  wrote:


Hi all,

a quick question as I don't know the status of this request:

Do we (still) want to have download links for Dev Builds that refer to


the


respective people's dir?



IMHO we don't want pages in www.openoffice.org/dowload/* to point to
anything other than actual releases.   Links from Dev, L10n or QA
pages are fine.

  Then I would create a webpage that can be included in the usual download

website - as it was in the former times with OOo.

At the moment there is just a link to the Wiki page.

Marcus

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we want download links for Dev Builds on a usual webpage?

[Dave Fisher]

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 9, 2012, at 5:04 PM, "Marcus (OOo)"  wrote:

> Am 11/09/2012 10:50 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 4:30 PM, jan iversen wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> In order to make life easier (more stable) for translators, I think it
>>> would be a good idea to "isolate" developer builds on dev. When we have
>>> langauge packs integrated, then we could point to them from l10n, with a
>>> thick note, stating they are only there for testing the language.
>>> 
>>> In order to make sure they dont get distributed "as released", would it be
>>> an idea (and is it possible) to e.g. disable the actual "save" (not the
>>> button, but the final write call). With such a feature anybody can test
>>> (which is the purpose) but it cannot be used as a product.
>>> 
>> 
>> So we're all on the same page, this is how I understand the two main
>> constraints on how we treat pre-release builds:
>> 
>> 1) Constraint one is policy.  We distribute releases to the public,
>> after they've been vetted and approved by the PMC.  We need to avoid
>> shortcuts that cause software to be distributed to the public outside
>> of this approval process.
>> 
>> 2) Constraint two is bandwidth.  We don't have infinite bandwidth.
>> That is why we rely on download mirrors for distributing releases and,
>> in the special case of OpenOffice, SourceForge as well.   We need to
>> be careful about bandwidth used by posting developer builds on
>> people.apache.org.
> 
> IMHO it shouldn't be a problem to put the dev builds also onto the mirrors.

Which mirrors? Apache Mirrors are for most recent releases only on active 
branches and also for all Apache projects. Mirror operators have limited space.

SourceForge and apache extras differ. BUT we need to be very careful that there 
is no confusion with releases as Rob wrote.

R

> The additionally need space it low and more than 2 revisions shouldn't be 
> there. However, the upload is an additionally effort. ;-)
> 
>> The nightmare scenario is we post a developer build of a popular new
>> translation, say Korean, and even though it was not intended to be a
>> public release, someone gets the URL to the people.apache.org install
>> sets and posts it on a Korean forum or website, and we start getting
>> millions of downloads from people.apache.org.  This would be bad for
>> Infra, but also bad for us, since our users would probably not have a
>> good experience with pre-release software.
> 
> This can happen also today. It doesn't depend on where the download link is 
> located. Just who has found it and where it gets populated.
> 
>> So we really need to keep the dev builds "low key", and not make it
>> very easy for the public to accidentally stumble upon them.
> 
> OK, understood.
> 
> Marcus
> 
> 
> 
>>> On 9 November 2012 22:05, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>> 
 On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> a quick question as I don't know the status of this request:
> 
> Do we (still) want to have download links for Dev Builds that refer to
 the
> respective people's dir?
> 
 
 IMHO we don't want pages in www.openoffice.org/dowload/* to point to
 anything other than actual releases.   Links from Dev, L10n or QA
 pages are fine.
 
> Then I would create a webpage that can be included in the usual download
> website - as it was in the former times with OOo.
> 
> At the moment there is just a link to the Wiki page.
> 
> Marcus

Re: My Photos in ApacheCon Europe 2012

[Albino B Neto]

Hi

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 4:28 AM, imacat  wrote:
> My photos in the ApacheCon Europe 2012
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gabjkfhzqcyfw8p/ouBYojX5P9

Thanks. :)

-- 
Albino

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we want download links for Dev Builds on a usual webpage?

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 11/10/2012 01:17 AM, schrieb Dave Fisher:



Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 9, 2012, at 5:04 PM, "Marcus (OOo)"  wrote:


Am 11/09/2012 10:50 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 4:30 PM, jan iversen  wrote:

Hi.

In order to make life easier (more stable) for translators, I think it
would be a good idea to "isolate" developer builds on dev. When we have
langauge packs integrated, then we could point to them from l10n, with a
thick note, stating they are only there for testing the language.

In order to make sure they dont get distributed "as released", would it be
an idea (and is it possible) to e.g. disable the actual "save" (not the
button, but the final write call). With such a feature anybody can test
(which is the purpose) but it cannot be used as a product.



So we're all on the same page, this is how I understand the two main
constraints on how we treat pre-release builds:

1) Constraint one is policy.  We distribute releases to the public,
after they've been vetted and approved by the PMC.  We need to avoid
shortcuts that cause software to be distributed to the public outside
of this approval process.

2) Constraint two is bandwidth.  We don't have infinite bandwidth.
That is why we rely on download mirrors for distributing releases and,
in the special case of OpenOffice, SourceForge as well.   We need to
be careful about bandwidth used by posting developer builds on
people.apache.org.


IMHO it shouldn't be a problem to put the dev builds also onto the mirrors.


Which mirrors? Apache Mirrors are for most recent releases only on active

> branches and also for all Apache projects. Mirror operators have
> limited space.

Sure, however it would fit for the SF mirrors. The en-US full install 
and some langpacks. Let's say 2 GB for 2 revisions.



SourceForge and apache extras differ. BUT we need to be very careful that

> there is no confusion with releases as Rob wrote.

Don't panic. It was just an idea. ;-)

Marcus




The additionally need space it low and more than 2 revisions shouldn't be 
there. However, the upload is an additionally effort. ;-)


The nightmare scenario is we post a developer build of a popular new
translation, say Korean, and even though it was not intended to be a
public release, someone gets the URL to the people.apache.org install
sets and posts it on a Korean forum or website, and we start getting
millions of downloads from people.apache.org.  This would be bad for
Infra, but also bad for us, since our users would probably not have a
good experience with pre-release software.


This can happen also today. It doesn't depend on where the download link is 
located. Just who has found it and where it gets populated.


So we really need to keep the dev builds "low key", and not make it
very easy for the public to accidentally stumble upon them.


OK, understood.

Marcus




On 9 November 2012 22:05, Rob Weir   wrote:


On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Marcus (OOo)   wrote:

Hi all,

a quick question as I don't know the status of this request:

Do we (still) want to have download links for Dev Builds that refer to

the

respective people's dir?



IMHO we don't want pages in www.openoffice.org/dowload/* to point to
anything other than actual releases.   Links from Dev, L10n or QA
pages are fine.


Then I would create a webpage that can be included in the usual download
website - as it was in the former times with OOo.

At the moment there is just a link to the Wiki page.

Marcus

Re: My Photos in ApacheCon Europe 2012

[Alexandro Colorado]

Anyone else care to share their album?


On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Albino B Neto  wrote:

> Hi
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 4:28 AM, imacat  wrote:
> > My photos in the ApacheCon Europe 2012
> >
> > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gabjkfhzqcyfw8p/ouBYojX5P9
>
> Thanks. :)
>
> --
> Albino
>



-- 
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org

Re: My Photos in ApacheCon Europe 2012

[Peter Junge]

On 11/9/2012 2:28 PM, imacat wrote:

 My photos in the ApacheCon Europe 2012

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gabjkfhzqcyfw8p/ouBYojX5P9

 (I know my 3GS is dying. :p )


Thanks a lot. nice to see that a couple of CS2C engineers made it to attend.

[Branding] Residual branding error

[Rory O'Farrell]

In this thread 
http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=57340
the poster points out that the titlebar of the AOO splash screen [and the AOO 
applications] use OpenOffice.org.  Perhaps these ought be changed in later code 
revisions to reflect the Apache branding.

-- 
Rory O'Farrell