[Bug 331429] Re: gnome does not honor the "Disabled" setting in sound preferences
This is not an issue anymore for me since I upgraded to Jaunty, but it has been an issue until the last day I had been using Intrepid. Now I haven't Intrepid anymore on any of my computers, so I don't know if it is still a issue for it. As a side note (e.g. "rant") Intrepid support will end in 8 months, and since this bug received some attention after 6 months from the first reporting, I guess any energy in its resolution would be wasted anyway. As another side note (e.g. "rant 2 the revenge"), for a desktop system this bug is quite important (I refer to the "low" importance assigned to it), because if you disable a sound there could be a good reason behind that choice besides your personal taste. FYI, I moved to Jaunty in the hope of seeing this bug magically disappear (and it disappeared), but I gained other problems with the move (and let alone bug #280657...). From my p.o.v. bugs should not have any importance that differentiates them, because if you dare to take the time to report a bug, that alone means that bug is important, otherwise no one would have reported it. I think that all bugs are at least "normal" bugs, then there are "security" related bugs and bugs that "cause data loss" (more important) and maybe others, but below normal bugs there should be no distinction between what makes a particular package unusable or what renders a whole system noisy and less "sleeping baby nearby" friendly: in my case this bug rendered the whole system unusable in some situations (I couldn't turn it on). I know, it's volunteer work, little time, few developers, I could contribute more, Vista is way worse, and so on. I'm not upset with anyone, I just like saying what I think in hope someone takes my thoughts as hints for the future. -- gnome does not honor the "Disabled" setting in sound preferences https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/331429 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 326582] Re: sort order of files listings in nautilus is not alphabetical
Talk about zombies! This report is so old I couldn't even realize I was the one who created it in the first place, until I read that information above the comments. I've now took the time to read all the comments again. @Chris Billington: I really don't know what kind of drugs I was on when I wrote my comments here, but now I wish I never wrote most of that shit. Sebastien was absolutely right, this is not the place to discuss such feature requests. At that time I used to use Ubuntu, and I recall I was quite fed up with Gnome user experience. I can only guess I used the wrong tool to let off steam. Ubuntu provided me with the right tool shortly after when it switched to Unity, which led me to switch back to Debian... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/326582 Title: sort order of files listings in nautilus is not alphabetical To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/326582/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 331429] Re: gnome does not honor the "Disabled" setting in sound preferences
I'm experiencing this bug again in 9.10, although the UI control is gone, the respective gconf key does not work either: /apps/gdm/simple-greater/settings-manager/sound/active I've unchecked the box for that key, but Ubuntu still plays the greater sound after graphical login (gdm configured with autologin, just in case it matters). Should we re-open this bug or do you think it's a different bug and it needs a different bug report? -- gnome does not honor the "Disabled" setting in sound preferences https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/331429 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 326582] [NEW] sort order of files listings in nautilus is not alphabetical
Public bug reported: Binary package hint: nautilus I'd like to have an option to see the files and directories in alphabetical order in nautilus. For example, if I have the following directories: 20050501 200607 200901 the 'ls' command lists them in alphabetical order, just like above, but nautilus shows them in numerical order: 200607 200901 20050501 which is not always the desired behavior (in this example it is not, obviously). ProblemType: Bug Architecture: i386 DistroRelease: Ubuntu 8.10 Package: nautilus 1:2.24.1-0ubuntu2 ProcEnviron: SHELL=/bin/bash PATH=/home/User Name/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games LANG=it_IT.UTF-8 SourcePackage: nautilus Uname: Linux 2.6.28.1-thinkpad i686 ** Affects: nautilus (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Tags: apport-bug -- sort order of files listings in nautilus is not alphabetical https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/326582 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to nautilus in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 326582] Re: sort order of files listings in nautilus is not alphabetical
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[Bug 326582] Re: sort order of files listings in nautilus is not alphabetical
Well, since "years ago" things could change a bit if needed... However I'm not asking for a fix, but I'm asking for an option to be added in the preferences panel. I'd have rated this bug as "whishlist" if I could. Anyway, I personally know at least two people except me who do not expect this behavior, but they would expect a normal alphabetical sorting... Lucio. -- sort order of files listings in nautilus is not alphabetical https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/326582 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to nautilus in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 326582] Re: sort order of files listings in nautilus is not alphabetical
I've just tried konqueror: version 3.5/debian uses alphabetical order, version 4.1.4/intrepid (but not on kubuntu) behaves the same as nautilus. I've no other versions to try. However I don't believe that the behavior of any other piece of software, be it konqueror or others, should be a reference point, 'cause in that case I could take 'ls' as a reference point (or konqueror 3.5) and pretend nautilus behaves the wrong way. I think the reference point should be end users. I'm not a nautilus developer, but I think that adding an option in the preferences panel to change the sort order could make more people happy and it should not be all that hassle... -- sort order of files listings in nautilus is not alphabetical https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/326582 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 326582] Re: sort order of files listings in nautilus is not alphabetical
So I've headed bugzilla.gnome.org, and guess what? " Have a problem? 1. Create an account " Damn, I already have an account on Launchpad, I've already filed the bug, but I have to create another account just to copy and paste my wish onto bugzilla, because Ubuntu Desktop maintainers refuse to forward it... Next time someone tells me that reporting bugs and suggestions helps the community to improve the product, I'm afraid I'll find something better to do in my spare time... Now I'm going to file the bug upstream nevertheless, but I'm going to file it on bugs.kde.org, at least I can tell myself I'm not wasting my time. If Gnome developers want to see it, they'll have to come here and read it. -- sort order of files listings in nautilus is not alphabetical https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/326582 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 326582] Re: sort order of files listings in nautilus is not alphabetical
@Sebastian: "normal users" are not "stupid users", with few exceptions :) "normal users" learn the alphabetical order at 6 y/o when they go to school, it's not that hard to understand... "normal users" would certainly use such an option, just like they use other much less useful options for them, "date format" for example. "normal users" already face things they do not understand (what about the option to show the "MIME type" column for example? Do you expect "normal users" to understand it?) Finally, if adding such an option makes the system unstable, I've to say there must be a design flaw in the system itself... I'm sure even Microsoft could manage to add such an option to explorer without making it more unstable :) I understand this should be filed upstream, but I used to hope that Launchpad served to forward bugs upstream when needed. Maybe my fault here. Lucio. -- sort order of files listings in nautilus is not alphabetical https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/326582 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 326582] Re: sort order of files listings in nautilus is not alphabetical
> how would you call this option to be understandable though? "Sorting" for example, followed by a list choice, including "Default" (the current one), "Alphabetical" and eventually others. I'm not native english speaker, nevertheless I find that quite understandable. > they also learn that 11 is higher than 2 so why should it be listed between 1 > and 2? Because most files names do not represent numbers also when they are composed by numbers only. My first example should make it clear, in my case they are actually years and months (and sometimes days), not numbers. BTW, that scheme is used quite frequently by normal users who download their camera snapshots and organize them by date. > you are one of the first users to request for a such options in 5 years of > ubuntu, there is not so many users requesting > for a such choice maybe others didn't bother to ask for it (one persone I know used to think it was a problem of its own setup and did not bother to file the bug, assuming it was caused by his own mistake). >that was a typo, "un-usable", what about an "advanced" tab that could be used to throw in all that geek stuff? I'm sure someone else already invented such a thing... > you should better be doing that yourself in this case As said above, I'm doing that myself. BTW, I don't know anything about the triager and how to use it, but if you expect normal users to collaborate and file bugs, you should widen your policies a bit and file bugs upstram on behalf of normal users also when you don't agree with them. That's called listening to users requests. Otherwise Ubuntu and Linux in general will remain a geek only system, regardless of all the fuss and philosophy around it. IMHO, obviously. Lucio. -- sort order of files listings in nautilus is not alphabetical https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/326582 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 326582] Re: sort order of files listings in nautilus is not alphabetical
> what an useful behaviour to have, why should other people send your request to GNOME if they think they are wrong? Because they are the maintainers. I'm not asking for a lawyer to defend my interests, I'm suggesting a maintainer could file the bug upstream because maintainers are already registered onto the upstream BTS. The maintainer could simply file the bug with the same title it has here on launchpad, copy the URL to the launchpad bug in the bug description, add the original submitter email to the notifications list and remove himself if he wants, but he needs not to register on the BTS. That's an activity that takes at most 2 minutes because the maintainer is already registered at the upstream BTS. >From that on, the original submitter will receive bug changes notifications and can reply them by email. Lucio. -- sort order of files listings in nautilus is not alphabetical https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/326582 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 326638] [NEW] difficult to understand options should be removed from gnome
Public bug reported: This report comes from the discussion at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/326582, in particular from the Sebastien Bacher post: >that's a good point and maybe that should not be an option, feel free to open a bug to discuss that if you want Here I list the options in nautilus preferences panels that normal users cannot understand and consequently should be removed: "Executable text files" should be removed entirely, normal users don't even know what an executable text file is. In "Icon Captions" the options "Type", "Owner", "Group", "Permissions", "Octal permissions", "MIME Type" and "SELinux Context" should be removed. The same goes for "List Columns". Actually the simplification process should be done for the whole Gnome at large, by removing most of the menu items under "System/Administration" and most menu items under "System/Preferences". We should also remove some menus from "Applications" as well, such as "Software development" or whatever's called "Sviluppo" in english, and maybe also "Universal access", since "normal" users don't need it *. I hope the maintainers can forward this bug upstream, because, as I understand it from the linked bug above, this should be a bug Gnome maintainers agree on. Thanks in advance, Lucio. *) The last is obviously a joke, the rest is a serious request. ProblemType: Bug Architecture: i386 Dependencies: DistroRelease: Ubuntu 8.10 Package: gnome None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/gnome.list] PackageArchitecture: all ProcEnviron: SHELL=/bin/bash PATH=/home/User Name/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games LANG=it_IT.UTF-8 SourcePackage: meta-gnome2 Uname: Linux 2.6.28.1-thinkpad i686 ** Affects: meta-gnome2 (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Tags: apport-bug -- difficult to understand options should be removed from gnome https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/326638 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to meta-gnome2 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 326582] Re: sort order of files listings in nautilus is not alphabetical
> And I can tell you I don't want to pollute the preferences with options > confusing and unneeded by most people. You all have made me change my mind, and now I agree with you all on that issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-gnome2/+bug/326638 > However, you're trolling. It has been clearly stated here that you should > either report this issue upstream or shut up. If > you're too lazy to spend two minutes by registering on b.g.o, then this issue > is not important even to you. You're missing the point here, the problem it's not me. It's quite obvious that I can spend 2 minutes to register and report the issue upstream, but that two minutes and that extra registration are simply overkill for a normal user if he wants to ask for a new feature. > And keep in mind: this is opensource. To prove your point, patches are > welcome. Yes, tell that to normal users now... Lucio. -- sort order of files listings in nautilus is not alphabetical https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/326582 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 326582] Re: sort order of files listings in nautilus is not alphabetical
Last words I tell about this issue: I should have tried to search this feature request on b.g.o before, but now that I've searched, I can tell it's simply false that no one is asking for it: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=547350 In particular see comment #4. Do you still believe no one would use this feature? Ok, take a look here also: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=169883 Still not convinced? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/322271 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=574775 I could go on, but the truth is that *gnome developers* are not asking for this feature (or should I say *glib developers* just to ease the process of reporting bugs one step further?). Normal users do want it instead. And there is a reason why I forgot to search through bug reports in the first place: I come from Debian where I used to report bugs through reportbug, which shows a list of already opened bugs on the package, before starting the bug report. But someone told me that reportbug it's not the bug reporting tool in Ubuntu and that apport-cli is the replacement... except it does not show the already opened bugs, but that's another story... Thank you all for your unbiased opinions about this feature. Keep up the good work and Ubuntu will become the O.S. for the masses. Dream on. -- sort order of files listings in nautilus is not alphabetical https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/326582 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 326582] Re: sort order of files listings in nautilus is not alphabetical
I reply here only to the technical observations (assuming I'm the troll, I avoid feeding myself...). > the right way in my opinion to have it is by adding a new gconf key retaining > current sorting behaviour by default, but > *not* adding a new UI element in the nautilus preferences dialog. That would be more than enough, I rarely use gconf-editor and it did not come to my mind. It's the equivalent of the "Advanced" tab I proposed above. > Please note that lexicographical ordering is hard nevertheless in the UTF-8 world. I'm not a gnome developer, but since the coders managed to implement such complicated sorting rules like the current ones, that are full of exceptions, I assume they are also able to code a much simpler method that uses only a subset of those rules, right? -- sort order of files listings in nautilus is not alphabetical https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/326582 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 331429] [NEW] gnome does not honor the "Disabled" setting in sound preferences
Public bug reported: Gnome plays the access sound during access even if the corresponding option is disabled in Sound Preferences. I disabled the access sound when my system was 8.04. When I upgraded to 8.10 it started to play it even if the setting has not changed and it's still disabled. The setting I disabled is System/Preferences/Sound/Sound/Graphical Environment/Access. (please note that I use IT locale and that's my translation of menus, maybe not exact). ProblemType: Bug Architecture: i386 Dependencies: DistroRelease: Ubuntu 8.10 Package: gnome None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/gnome.list] PackageArchitecture: all ProcEnviron: SHELL=/bin/bash PATH=/home/User Name/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games LANG=it_IT.UTF-8 SourcePackage: meta-gnome2 Uname: Linux 2.6.28.1-thinkpad i686 ** Affects: meta-gnome2 (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Tags: apport-bug -- gnome does not honor the "Disabled" setting in sound preferences https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/331429 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to meta-gnome2 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 326582] Re: sort order of files listings in nautilus is not alphabetical
** Changed in: nautilus (Ubuntu) Status: Invalid => New ** Changed in: nautilus (Ubuntu) Status: New => Invalid -- sort order of files listings in nautilus is not alphabetical https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/326582 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 429364] [NEW] nautilus shows incorrect disk usage in samba shares
Public bug reported: Binary package hint: nautilus My server (Debian Lenny) shares a folder via samba. My Client (Ubuntu Jaunty) mounts the folder. Right clicking any subfolder in the samba share and looking at the properties, I get a disk usage amount very different from the correct amount (I assume the correct is given by du -hs "~/.gvfs/share on server/subfolder"). Please note that I cannot always reproduce this bug: Nautilus usually reports the correct amount, but sometimes it reports more or less random numbers (3.2Gb becomes 1.3GB, 3.8GB becomes 2.4GB). When it fails, it always reports less than the correct amount. ProblemType: Bug Architecture: i386 DistroRelease: Ubuntu 9.04 Package: nautilus 1:2.26.2-0ubuntu2 ProcEnviron: SHELL=/bin/bash PATH=(custom, user) LANG=it_IT.UTF-8 SourcePackage: nautilus Uname: Linux 2.6.30-alfa-crackng i686 ** Affects: nautilus (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Tags: apport-bug i386 -- nautilus shows incorrect disk usage in samba shares https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/429364 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to nautilus in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 429364] Re: nautilus shows incorrect disk usage in samba shares
** Attachment added: "Dependencies.txt" http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31781510/Dependencies.txt -- nautilus shows incorrect disk usage in samba shares https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/429364 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to nautilus in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
