Bug#255192: Alt-Tab is broken differently with Window Maker

2004-06-22 Thread Dmitry Borodaenko
On my machine with Window Maker the behaviour is slightly different: all
Alt- shortcuts work, and Alt-Tab switching works, but swallows the first
keypress in the new window. In xterm, the cursor changes from shallow to
filled after the swallowed keypress, as if the window receives the
keyboard focus only after a key is pressed in it; in GUI windows, text
cursor only appears after the first (swallowed) keypress, too.

Is it somehow related to the "Grab updates to XKB data from XFree86 CVS"
changelog item? Like "fix Meta, Super, Hyper keysyms interpretation"?

-- 
Dmitry Borodaenko



Processed: Re: Bug#255439: d-i report

2004-06-22 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> clone 255439 -1
Bug#255439: d-i report
Bug 255439 cloned as bug 255689.

> retitle -1 Wrong driver chosen for ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility U1
Bug#255689: d-i report
Changed Bug title.

> reassign -1 xserver-xfree86
Bug#255689: Wrong driver chosen for ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility U1
Bug reassigned from package `installation-reports' to `xserver-xfree86'.

> thanks
Stopping processing here.

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Re: Bug#255439: d-i report

2004-06-22 Thread Martin Michlmayr
clone 255439 -1
retitle -1 Wrong driver chosen for ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility U1
reassign -1 xserver-xfree86
thanks

* Cristian Escalante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-06-21 23:22]:
> > > - Detect the wrong vga card (apm instead of ati);
> > Can you send your /var/log/XFree86.0.log file please.
> Sure, I gzipped the XF86Config-4, XFree86.0.log (before updating the
> driver from *apm* to *ati*) and after the update.
> In XF86Config-4, you will see (about line 76):

Thanks for those logs, I'm cloning this bug and reassigning it to the
XFree86 package.
-- 
Martin Michlmayr
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Bug#255701: xlibs-data: fonts can't be display under ja_JP.UTF-8

2004-06-22 Thread Tatsuki Sugiura
Package: xlibs-data
Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-5
Severity: normal
Tags: patch

Japanese fonts can't be displayed under ja_JP.UTF-8 locale.
Please update XLC_LOCALE for ja_JP.UTF-8.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
  APT prefers unstable
  APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (500, 'testing'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Kernel: Linux 2.6.7-rc2
Locale: LANG=ja_JP.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=ja_JP.UTF-8 (ignored: LC_ALL set to 
ja_JP.UTF-8)

-- no debconf information


-- 
Tatsuki Sugiura   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
diff -ruP xc/nls/XLC_LOCALE/ja_JP.UTF-8 xc.orig/nls/XLC_LOCALE/ja_JP.UTF-8
--- xc/nls/XLC_LOCALE/ja_JP.UTF-8   2004-06-22 23:18:36.0 +0900
+++ xc.orig/nls/XLC_LOCALE/ja_JP.UTF-8  2002-10-17 10:12:57.0 +0900
@@ -32,8 +32,23 @@
   }
 }
 
-XCOMM  fs2 class (Kanji)
-fs2{
+XCOMM ISO10646-1 is put after iso8859-1 to make usually better-looking
+XCOMM iso8859-x fonts are picked up before iso10646-1 fonts.
+XCOMM Moreover, some iso10646-1 fonts don't have any glyph at all
+XCOMM in ISO8859-X ranges.
+
+XCOMM fs2 class
+fs2 {
+  charset {
+name  ISO10646-1
+  }
+  font  {
+primary ISO10646-1
+  }
+}
+
+XCOMM  fs3 class (Kanji)
+fs3{
charset {
nameJISX0208.1983-0:GL
}
@@ -42,8 +57,8 @@
}
 }
 
-XCOMM   fs3 class (Korean Character)
-fs3{
+XCOMM   fs4 class (Korean Character)
+fs4{
charset {
nameKSC5601.1987-0:GL
}
@@ -52,8 +67,8 @@
}
 }
 
-XCOMM   fs4 class (Chinese Han Character)
-fs4{
+XCOMM   fs5 class (Chinese Han Character)
+fs5{
charset {
nameGB2312.1980-0:GL
}
@@ -61,8 +76,8 @@
primary GB2312.1980-0:GL
}
 }
-XCOMM  fs5 class (Half Kana)
-fs5{
+XCOMM  fs6 class (Half Kana)
+fs6{
charset {
nameJISX0201.1976-0:GR
}
@@ -71,22 +86,6 @@
vertical_rotate all
}
 }
-
-XCOMM ISO10646-1 is put after iso8859-1 to make usually better-looking
-XCOMM iso8859-x fonts are picked up before iso10646-1 fonts.
-XCOMM Moreover, some iso10646-1 fonts don't have any glyph at all
-XCOMM in ISO8859-X ranges.
-
-XCOMM fs6 class
-fs6 {
-  charset {
-name  ISO10646-1
-  }
-  font  {
-primary ISO10646-1
-  }
-}
-
 END XLC_FONTSET
 
 XCOMM 
@@ -105,47 +104,47 @@
ct_encoding ISO8859-1:GL
 }
 
+XCOMM  cs1 class
+cs1 {
+sideGR:Default
+length  1
+ct_encoding ISO8859-1:GR
+}
+
 XCOMM  cs2 class
-cs1{
+cs2{
sideGR
length  2
ct_encoding JISX0208.1983-0:GL; JISX0208.1983-0:GR; 
JISX0208.1983-1:GL; JISX0208.1983-1:GR
 
 }
 
-XCOMM  cs2 class
-cs2 {
+XCOMM  cs3 class
+cs3 {
 sideGL
 length  2
 ct_encoding KSC5601.1987-0:GL; KSC5601.1987-0:GR;  
  KSC5601.1987-1:GL; KSC5601.1987-1:GR
 
 }
  
-XCOMM  cs3 class
-cs3 {
+XCOMM  cs4 class
+cs4 {
 sideGR
 length  2
 ct_encoding GB2312.1980-0:GL; GB2312.1980-0:GR
 }
  
-XCOMM  cs4 class
-cs4{
+XCOMM  cs5 class
+cs5{
sideGR
length  1
ct_encoding JISX0201.1976-0:GR
 }
 
-XCOMM  cs5 class
-cs5{
+XCOMM  cs6 class
+cs6{
sidenone
ct_encoding ISO10646-1
 }
 
-XCOMM  cs6 class
-cs6 {
-sideGR:Default
-length  1
-ct_encoding ISO8859-1:GR
-}
-
 END XLC_XLOCALE


Processing of xfree86_4.3.0.dfsg.1-5_powerpc.changes

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X Strike Force XFree86 SVN commit: r1556 - trunk/debian

2004-06-22 Thread X Strike Force SVN Repository Admin
Author: branden
Date: 2004-06-22 12:43:26 -0500 (Tue, 22 Jun 2004)
New Revision: 1556

Modified:
   trunk/debian/CHANGESETS
   trunk/debian/changelog
Log:
Credit Fabio for r1555.


Modified: trunk/debian/CHANGESETS
===
--- trunk/debian/CHANGESETS 2004-06-21 08:20:22 UTC (rev 1555)
+++ trunk/debian/CHANGESETS 2004-06-22 17:43:26 UTC (rev 1556)
@@ -38,6 +38,6 @@
 
 Update French debconf template translations (thanks, Christian Perrier).
 (Closes: #255464)
-1555
+1555, 1556
 
 vim:set ai et sts=4 sw=4 tw=80:

Modified: trunk/debian/changelog
===
--- trunk/debian/changelog  2004-06-21 08:20:22 UTC (rev 1555)
+++ trunk/debian/changelog  2004-06-22 17:43:26 UTC (rev 1556)
@@ -23,10 +23,12 @@
   * Update Danish debconf template translations (thanks, Claus Hindsgaul).
 (Closes: #255184)
 
+  Changes by Fabio Massimo Di Nitto:
+
   * Update French debconf template translations (thanks, Christian Perrier).
 (Closes: #255464)
 
- -- Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:57:06 -0500
+ -- Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:41:27 -0500
 
 xfree86 (4.3.0.dfsg.1-5) unstable; urgency=low
 



Re: Future of X packages in Debian

2004-06-22 Thread Fabio Massimo Di Nitto
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004, Anders Karlsson wrote:

> On Friday 18 Jun 2004 08:02, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
> > Hi everybody,
> > As you might have seen from the messages on
> > debian-devel-changes, 4.3.0.dfsg.1-5 has been accepted into unstable.
>
> Seen it, downloaded it and installed it. Works like  a charm. Many
> thanks! :)

Thanks! it's always nice to know that someone out there appreciate :-)

> > Our questions to the community are:
> >
> > * What kinds of X packages would you like to see in the future?
>
> As a user and not a developer,

This is also important feedback for us.

> I do not know how much work there would be involved in a shift to the
> X.org release, but X.org seems to have a decent road-map, good ideas and
> above all, an active team working on things. What I am trying to say is
> that X.org seems from a users perspective to be the good route to take.

The amount of work is going to be relatively huge indipendently of which
direction we will take. There is nothing to do about it other than getting
it done.

> > * Should we go our own way starting from the "sanitized" XFree86 CVS
> >   snapshot we've prepared?
>
> Would this give the developers and the users added benefits above and
> beyond what X.org gives?

Since we are talking about sarge+1 no. There would be no benefit in
maintaining our own tree other than we already know what works and what
doesn't.

Thanks
Fabio

ps I am taking notes of all the comments. they are not passing unreaded.

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Re: Future of X packages in Debian

2004-06-22 Thread Fabio Massimo Di Nitto
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote:

> #include 
>
> On Friday 18 June 2004 09.02, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
>
> > * Should we ensure that multiple implementations of the X Window
> > System are packaged, or standardize on just one?
>
> from a user perspective, multiple X servers to chose from which are
> almost but not exaclty the same is most confusing. AFAICT this is not
> like having KDE and GNOME and .. in the archive because they are really
> different, but this is more like the kernel having 3 different drivers
> for NCR53c8xx SCSI chips, and how should the user know which to use and
> why (difference in the scale, obviously)...

Users can still have the freedom to choose. XSF will only support one, but
other people are perfectly allowed to package other servers. Noone will
ever stop them to do so.

Fabio

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Re: Future of X packages in Debian

2004-06-22 Thread Fabio Massimo Di Nitto
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004, Andreas Metzler wrote:

> Fabio Massimo Di Nitto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...]
> > * What kinds of X packages would you like to see in the future?
>
> As a user, all I care about:
> * DFSG-free

That's one of the reason we need to change.

> * is ready whenever Debian would like to make a release, i.e. X should
>   not be the delaying point itself.

Since 4.3.0.dfsg it has always been ready for release. We even delayed
uploads to let the previous version entering sarge. Branden and I agreed
that each release has to be a "good" one for stable. Of course we cannot
avoid the unpredictable as i am sure everybody understand.

> > * Should we go our own way starting from the "sanitized" XFree86 CVS
> >  snapshot we've prepared?
>
> Do you think this is sustainable? Currently the status s quite good, as
> many drivers have been backported, but I doubt this can continue
> eternally.

Personally (i am not wearing any hat other than a user of my our own
packages) no. It would be overkilling in time.

> > * Should we ensure that multiple implementations of the X Window System
> >  are packaged, or standardize on just one?
>
> I cannot think of why it would be useful to have e.g. libx11.so from
> both xorg and http://freedesktop.org/Software/xlibs in Debian. - Apart
> from the fact that they are the same code the interfaces are
> standardized.
>
> Afaict the X-strike force _cannot_ ensure that only a single
> implementation is packaged, they can only choose the package only a
> single implementation themselves.

This is a good point that other people have already discussed in the
thread.

> > * If we standardize on just one, which one should it be?
> [...]
>
> The one that is going to fulfill the criteria listed at the top of the
> screen when we are thinking about releasing sarge+1.

We are only thinking of sarge+1 here. There would be no time to switch
tree (speaking quality wise).

Fabio

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Re: Future of X packages in Debian

2004-06-22 Thread Fabio Massimo Di Nitto
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004, Greg Folkert wrote:

> > * What kinds of X packages would you like to see in the future?
>
> I'd like to see a packaging that gives me the ability to mix and match
> pieces from any of the choices we have available. IOW, meta packages to
> get the "full" compliment of each version, or me picking cheeries if I
> want. Lotsa work... But hey, you said you wanted to know.

eheh but i doubt the XSF will have manpower to handle more than one
implementation. Other people can join and package other parts from other
sources.

> > We will do our best to choose a course that reflects the wishes and needs
> > of the Debian community.  Your feedback is a great first step, but we can
> > always use more help.  If you'd like to influence the direction of Debian
> > X packaging, the best thing to do is to join the maintenance team.
> > Please subscribe to debian-x, and if it's not obvious to you what you can
> > do to help, just ask.
>
> As I am not a programmer, I'll have to ask "What would I *get* to do?"

There is really a lot that you can do. In the first place you might have
hardware that we do not have. You can help us testing the packages and
report bugs before we release. Even if it seems simple it is a great
contribution to know that the work we are doing is actually tested more
than by only Branden and me.

Thanks
Fabio

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Re: Future of X packages in Debian

2004-06-22 Thread Fabio Massimo Di Nitto
On Sun, 20 Jun 2004, Daniel Stone wrote:

> I think we can all agree here; I hope, anyway.

Yes at least i do (not wearing any hat).

> I personally have an affinity for the modular tree, as it solves many
> problems; my bias here being that I'm a (currently, paid) developer on
> it.
>
> Here are the possibilities:
> Libs:
>   * fd.o - needs libX11 merged, and a couple more client-side
> libs. Other than that, fine. Uses autotools; one module per
> library/extension.
>   * X.Org - monolithic tree with imake. IPv6 support.
>   * XFree86 - monolithic tree with imake.
> Server:
>   * X.Org - monolithic tree with imake. IPv6 support. DRI tree
> merged in CVS.
>   * XFree86 - monolithic tree with imake.
>   * debrix - modular tree with autotools, comes from X.Org tree.
> No GL support as yet (that part of the world is particularly
> nasty WRT imake hackage).
> Apps:
>   * X.Org/XFree86 - monolithic tree with imake.
>   * fd.o - modular tree with autotools; not that many apps merged
> yet.
> Fonts:
>   * X.Org/XFree86 - monolithic tree with imake.
> Docs:
>   * X.Org/XFree86 - monolithic tree with imake.
>
> As can be seen here, the operational word for modular is 'not there
> yet'. The libX11 changes made in X.Org in the run-up to R6.7 still need
> to be merged (I'm hoping to get to that this weekend), and it still
> needs a few libs, such as libXvMC, but is rounding out very quickly.
> Most libs are relatively trivial to add.
>
> Fonts and docs are a clear decision: the monolithic tree is the only
> provider of these. Despite best intentions (and efforts), most apps are
> still only available in the monolithic tree.
>
> The server arena is where it gets interesting - it's where we have the
> most to gain, but the most to lose. debrix is a quite ambitious
> proof-of-concept, aiming to prove three concepts:
> a) modular builds for servers work (proved),
> b) dlloader works/can be made to work (proved),
> c) out-of-tree builds for drivers work (proved).
>

nice layout of the situation :-)

> We could also start the slow app migration, and autotool missing apps as
> we go; for the time being, just disable the ones that are there. Moving
> to Thomas Dickey's xterm entirely would also be nice.
>
> Thus, my short-term proposal is:
>   * Libraries: fd.o, from /cvs/xlibs, according to
> http://people.debian.org/~daniels/xlibs.html.
>   * Server: X.Org, built from the monolithic tree.
>   * Apps: Mix of monolithic and some broken-out apps - gradual
> migration towards modular.
>   * Docs/Fonts: X.Org, built from the monolithic tree.
>
> If the DDK patches were merged, this might also significantly ease the
> pain WRT drivers. My preferred long-term solution obviously involves
> moving to the modular tree.
>
> If we continue to have a single monolithic 'xorg' source package, we can
> keep working from this, while in parallel working upstream on the
> modularisation efforts. This provides a good solution to the problem of
> slowly-drifting X implementations (the libraries are particularly
> worrying), and also alleviates our workload, as we can start merging
> some of our hundreds of thousands of lines of patches into the parts
> we've modularised.
>
> This means that we can disable app building one-by-one, get rid of the
> fonts, docs, et al, and eventually also the server.
>
> I am willing to expend significant work on this; indeed, I'm in the
> middle of my rejuvinated xlibs work, and am prepared to put in the work
> to disable the libs on the server side - all the packaging work that
> would be needed to transition to using fd.o xlibs.

How would you perform such a transition without packaging madness? I am
afraid that we will endup in a big mess of Conflicts: Replaces: Provides:
that we will have to support across at least one major release.
(hey just from a fast look.)

Fabio



X Strike Force XFree86 SVN commit: r1557 - trunk/debian

2004-06-22 Thread X Strike Force SVN Repository Admin
Author: branden
Date: 2004-06-22 13:16:23 -0500 (Tue, 22 Jun 2004)
New Revision: 1557

Modified:
   trunk/debian/CHANGESETS
   trunk/debian/TODO
   trunk/debian/changelog
   trunk/debian/xlibs.bug
Log:
Enhance xlibs package's bug script to report compiled XKB data for X
server, if possible.


Modified: trunk/debian/CHANGESETS
===
--- trunk/debian/CHANGESETS 2004-06-22 17:43:26 UTC (rev 1556)
+++ trunk/debian/CHANGESETS 2004-06-22 18:16:23 UTC (rev 1557)
@@ -40,4 +40,8 @@
 (Closes: #255464)
 1555, 1556
 
+Enhance xlibs package's bug script to report compiled XKB data for X
+server, if possible.
+1557
+
 vim:set ai et sts=4 sw=4 tw=80:

Modified: trunk/debian/TODO
===
--- trunk/debian/TODO   2004-06-22 17:43:26 UTC (rev 1556)
+++ trunk/debian/TODO   2004-06-22 18:16:23 UTC (rev 1557)
@@ -17,7 +17,6 @@
 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6
 --
 
-* Enhance xlibs bug script to include output of "xkbcomp $DISPLAY -o -".
 * Add "How to Use This Document" and "Acknowledgements" sections to FAQ.
 * Update FAQ entry about X Window System history to reflect developments over
   the past year with x.org, freedesktop.org, and The XFree86 Project, Inc.

Modified: trunk/debian/changelog
===
--- trunk/debian/changelog  2004-06-22 17:43:26 UTC (rev 1556)
+++ trunk/debian/changelog  2004-06-22 18:16:23 UTC (rev 1557)
@@ -23,12 +23,15 @@
   * Update Danish debconf template translations (thanks, Claus Hindsgaul).
 (Closes: #255184)
 
+  * Enhance xlibs package's bug script to report compiled XKB data for X
+server, if possible.
+
   Changes by Fabio Massimo Di Nitto:
 
   * Update French debconf template translations (thanks, Christian Perrier).
 (Closes: #255464)
 
- -- Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:41:27 -0500
+ -- Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:15:22 -0500
 
 xfree86 (4.3.0.dfsg.1-5) unstable; urgency=low
 

Modified: trunk/debian/xlibs.bug
===
--- trunk/debian/xlibs.bug  2004-06-22 17:43:26 UTC (rev 1556)
+++ trunk/debian/xlibs.bug  2004-06-22 18:16:23 UTC (rev 1557)
@@ -21,4 +21,19 @@
 
 printf "\n" >&3
 
-# vim:set ai et sts=4 sw=4 tw=0:
+if which xkbcomp >/dev/null 2>&1; then
+if [ -n "$DISPLAY" ]; then
+printf "Compiled XKB description for X server \"%s\":\n" "$DISPLAY" >&3
+if ! xkbcomp -o - "$DISPLAY" >&3; then
+printf "xkbcomp command reported failure.\n" >&3
+fi
+else
+printf "Cannot report compiled XKB description; \$DISPLAY null or 
undefined.\n"
+fi
+else
+printf "xkbcomp command not available.\n" >&3
+fi
+
+printf "\n" >&3
+
+# vim:set ai et sts=4 sw=4 tw=80:



Re: Future of X packages in Debian

2004-06-22 Thread Daniel Stone
On Sat, Jun 19, 2004 at 02:40:57PM +0100, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> * Fabio Massimo Di Nitto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-06-18 09:02]:
> > * Should we regard X.Org or FreeDesktop.Org as our upstream source?
> 
> Yes, I'd go with one of them.  Keith Packard is also in the NM queue
> and interested in helping out.
> 
> > * Should we go our own way starting from the "sanitized" XFree86 CVS
> >   snapshot we've prepared?
> 
> I think this would be a really bad idea.  I think it would be much
> better to try to get all of our patches integrated upstream, and I
> hear that the new upstream people (X.Org/FreeDesktop.Org) are much
> more interested in integrating porting patches than XFree86 was.
> Since Keith Packard is also on our lists, I hope that he'll help with
> forwarding patches upstream and getting them integrated.

Anyone can forward patches upstream. There are a reasonable amount of
people who can integrate them. Once libX11 is merged with the monolithic
tree[0], I'm going to be throwing the xlibs tree open to features again,
including patch merges from the major vendors as a priority.

[0]: Changes made since it was branched off the monolithic tree back in
 November or something and X11R6.7.

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Bug#255744: xserver-xfree86: X fails to load if psmouse module managed by hotplug

2004-06-22 Thread Frans Pop
Package: xserver-xfree86
Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4
Severity: important

If the system is powered up and X is started by kdm, X will often fail
because of a missing core pointer. Starting X manually immediately after
(e.g. using /etc/init.d/kdm start), always succeeds.
The problem goes away if psmouse is added to /etc/modules.

I have seen this problem myself on two different systems and [1] has two
more people with the same problem. In all cases the solution above
worked.

In my case, I did a fresh Sarge install using Debian Installer on both
systems. By default the mouse driver and related modules (like evdev)
will be managed by hotplug.
This means that psmouse is only loaded after X is started and probes for
the presence of the core pointer. I think the time out allowed by X is
to short for the drivers to load, so X can't find the mouse, the load
fails and the user is returned to the console.

Adding psmouse in /etc/modules ensures that the drivers are loaded much
earlier in the bootprocess, so X is able to locate the mouse without
problem.

I think this bug is important because a lot of installs with Sarge's
new installer are likely to be affected by this problem.
The problem has been observed 4 times using kdm, but I would think it
applies to other display managers as well.

[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2004/06/msg00159.html

I have  not included config and log files as the problem is currently
fixed on my system using the solution listed above.
I can however easily reproduce a log file if needed (on request).

TIA,
Frans Pop


-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (500, 'testing')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Kernel: Linux 2.6.5.20040613-1
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C

Versions of packages xserver-xfree86 depends on:
ii  debconf [debconf-2.0] 1.4.25 Debian configuration management sy
ii  libc6 2.3.2.ds1-13   GNU C Library: Shared libraries an
ii  xserver-common4.3.0.dfsg.1-4 files and utilities common to all 
ii  zlib1g1:1.2.1.1-3compression library - runtime

-- debconf information:
* xserver-xfree86/config/device/identifier: Generic Video Card
  xserver-xfree86/config/monitor/screen-size: 17 inches (430 mm)
  xserver-xfree86/config/device/use_fbdev: 
* xserver-xfree86/config/monitor/selection-method: Medium
  xserver-xfree86/config/doublequote_in_string_error: 
  shared/default-x-server: xserver-xfree86
* xserver-xfree86/config/inputdevice/mouse/emulate3buttons: true
* xserver-xfree86/config/device/bus_id: PCI:0:2:0
* xserver-xfree86/config/inputdevice/keyboard/layout: us
  xserver-xfree86/config/monitor/horiz-sync: 30-60
* xserver-xfree86/config/monitor/identifier: Generic Monitor
  shared/no_known_x-server: 
  xserver-xfree86/autodetect_mouse: true
* xserver-xfree86/config/device/video_ram: 
* xserver-xfree86/config/monitor/mode-list: 1024x768 @ 75Hz
* xserver-xfree86/config/monitor/lcd: true
  xserver-xfree86/config/inputdevice/keyboard/internal: 
* xserver-xfree86/config/inputdevice/keyboard/rules: xfree86
  xserver-xfree86/multiple_possible_x-drivers: 
* xserver-xfree86/config/inputdevice/keyboard/model: pc104
* xserver-xfree86/config/write_dri_section: true
* xserver-xfree86/config/device/driver: i810
  xserver-xfree86/config/monitor/vert-refresh: 50-75
* xserver-xfree86/config/display/default_depth: 24
* xserver-xfree86/config/inputdevice/mouse/zaxismapping: true
* xserver-xfree86/config/display/modes: 1024x768, 800x600, 640x480
  xserver-xfree86/config/device/bus_id_error: 
* xserver-xfree86/config/modules: GLcore, bitmap, dbe, ddc, dri, extmod, 
freetype, glx, int10, record, speedo, type1, vbe
* xserver-xfree86/config/inputdevice/keyboard/options: 
  xserver-xfree86/config/nonnumeric_string_error: 
* xserver-xfree86/config/inputdevice/mouse/protocol: ImPS/2
  shared/multiple_possible_x-servers: 
  xserver-xfree86/config/null_string_error: 
  xserver-xfree86/config/monitor/range_input_error: 
* xserver-xfree86/autodetect_video_card: true
* xserver-xfree86/config/inputdevice/keyboard/variant: 
* xserver-xfree86/config/inputdevice/mouse/port: /dev/psaux
* xserver-xfree86/config/write_files_section: true
  xserver-xfree86/autodetect_monitor: true



Re: Future of X packages in Debian

2004-06-22 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Tuesday 22 June 2004 19.53, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
[packaging more than one X server]
> Users can still have the freedom to choose. XSF will only support one,
> but other people are perfectly allowed to package other servers. Noone
> will ever stop them to do so.

My point was exactly the oposite: users will probably not want to havte to 
chose, unless the choices are really different.

Multiple X servers where one does 'A' a little better, but 'B' a little 
worse, and another does 'A' worse but 'B' good, and 'C' does only work 
really on the third X server which can't be reasonably used because of 
'K', ... - in other words: if I need an export to explain to me how the 
different choices differ, I don't think it's a benefit to the users.

So long - I think I've made my point.
-- vbi

[I'm not on debian-x, so you'll need to cc: me.]

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Re: Future of X packages in Debian

2004-06-22 Thread Greg Folkert
On Tue, 2004-06-22 at 13:57, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jun 2004, Greg Folkert wrote:
> > > * What kinds of X packages would you like to see in the future?
> >
> > I'd like to see a packaging that gives me the ability to mix and match
> > pieces from any of the choices we have available. IOW, meta packages to
> > get the "full" compliment of each version, or me picking cheeries if I
> > want. Lotsa work... But hey, you said you wanted to know.
> 
> eheh but i doubt the XSF will have manpower to handle more than one
> implementation. Other people can join and package other parts from other
> sources.

Yes, I long for a future so bright from X "gamma" I gotta wear shades.

> > > We will do our best to choose a course that reflects the wishes and needs
> > > of the Debian community.  Your feedback is a great first step, but we can
> > > always use more help.  If you'd like to influence the direction of Debian
> > > X packaging, the best thing to do is to join the maintenance team.
> > > Please subscribe to debian-x, and if it's not obvious to you what you can
> > > do to help, just ask.
> >
> > As I am not a programmer, I'll have to ask "What would I *get* to do?"
> 
> There is really a lot that you can do. In the first place you might have
> hardware that we do not have. You can help us testing the packages and
> report bugs before we release. Even if it seems simple it is a great
> contribution to know that the work we are doing is actually tested more
> than by only Branden and me.

I have been doing that all along. I was using the 4.3.0 server from the
linuxppc.org server and then when that became problem (I understand why)
I started using Branden's archive location. This was all before
4.3.0-XXX went into experimental. I even have a coupla bugs to my
credit.

Have 8 Linux Systems at work running the business. One is a Mix of
RedHat --> Debian on its way to Straight Debian. The rest are all
Debian. I am, also, completely moving away from Microsoft products where
possible.

6 machines at home also running Debian Only. Slowest one == 1.2GHz Duron
\o/ !!!

BTW, All machines I maintain are on Sid/Experimental. I use my two
workstations as daily sacrifices to the dist-update GODS! Just to keep
them happy. They then tell me to wait on some things or to continue on
ahead. This seems to workout well.

Lately the GODS, have been pleased... which is good.
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Bug#255749: xterm: Dies with segmentation fault

2004-06-22 Thread Mykola A. Nickishov
Package: xterm
Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-5
Severity: normal



-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (990, 'testing'), (500, 'unstable')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Kernel: Linux 2.6.6-2-k7
Locale: LANG=uk_UA.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=uk_UA.UTF-8

Versions of packages xterm depends on:
ii  libc6 2.3.2.ds1-13   GNU C Library: Shared libraries an
ii  libexpat1 1.95.6-8   XML parsing C library - runtime li
ii  libfontconfig12.2.2-2generic font configuration library
ii  libfreetype6  2.1.7-2.1  FreeType 2 font engine, shared lib
ii  libice6   4.3.0.dfsg.1-5 Inter-Client Exchange library
ii  libncurses5   5.4-4  Shared libraries for terminal hand
ii  libsm64.3.0.dfsg.1-5 X Window System Session Management
ii  libxaw7   4.3.0.dfsg.1-5 X Athena widget set library
ii  libxext6  4.3.0.dfsg.1-5 X Window System miscellaneous exte
ii  libxft2   2.1.2-6FreeType-based font drawing librar
ii  libxmu6   4.3.0.dfsg.1-5 X Window System miscellaneous util
ii  libxpm4   4.3.0.dfsg.1-5 X pixmap library
ii  libxrender1   0.8.3-7X Rendering Extension client libra
ii  libxt64.3.0.dfsg.1-5 X Toolkit Intrinsics
ii  xlibs 4.3.0.dfsg.1-5 X Window System client libraries m
ii  xlibs-data4.3.0.dfsg.1-5 X Window System client data

-- no debconf information
execve("/usr/bin/X11/xterm", ["xterm", "2"], [/* 30 vars */]) = 0
uname({sys="Linux", node="tabernacle", ...}) = 0
brk(0)  = 0x8093000
old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 
0x40017000
access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK)  = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
open("/etc/ld.so.preload", O_RDONLY)= -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
open("/etc/ld.so.cache", O_RDONLY)  = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=84533, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 84533, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x40018000
close(3)= 0
access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK)  = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
open("/usr/lib/libXft.so.2", O_RDONLY)  = 3
read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0P<\0\000"..., 512) = 512
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=71896, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 70912, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x4002d000
old_mmap(0x4003e000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3, 
0x11000) = 0x4003e000
close(3)= 0
access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK)  = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
open("/usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 3
read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\320\202"..., 512) = 512
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=154916, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 157528, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x4003f000
old_mmap(0x40062000, 12288, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3, 
0x23000) = 0x40062000
old_mmap(0x40065000, 1880, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, 
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40065000
close(3)= 0
access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK)  = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
open("/usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3
read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\20\345"..., 512) = 512
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=447212, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 
0x40066000
old_mmap(NULL, 446176, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x40067000
old_mmap(0x400cd000, 28672, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3, 
0x66000) = 0x400cd000
close(3)= 0
access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK)  = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
open("/usr/lib/libexpat.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 3
read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\240!\0"..., 512) = 512
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=126248, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 129252, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x400d4000
old_mmap(0x400f1000, 12288, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3, 
0x1c000) = 0x400f1000
close(3)= 0
access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK)  = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
open("/usr/lib/libXrender.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 3
read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0`\25\0\000"..., 512) = 
512
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=28316, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 31392, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x400f4000
old_mmap(0x400fb000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3, 
0x6000) = 0x400fb000
close(3)= 0
access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK)  = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
open("/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw.so.7", O_RDONLY) = 3
read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\

Re: Future of X packages in Debian

2004-06-22 Thread Dominique Dumont
Keith Packard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> So, the big question is how to get everyone back into a single tree.  
> Ideally, Egbert would let us just ditch the imake build system and move 
> X.Org to autotools in one big jump; we have almost all of the build 
> infrastructure ready and waiting in my 'research' trees.  

In case of a "big jump", is autotools the only alternative to imake ?

There are other build system like scons or cons that could be used to
build X. 

At one point you mentionned the shortcomings of autotools, it might be
worth to check if cons or scons are more apt to build X than autotools.

> Alternatively, we would slowly modify the X.Org tree imake build
> infrastructure so that we could lay a modular autotools build system
> alongside and build either way. 

At work (HP) we moved rather slowly from a homebrewed system based on
make to a build system based on cons.

Now we use cons to build a software (~ 1 million lines of C,
Objective-C, C++) for Linux IA32 Linux IA64, HPUX for PA-RISC and
IA-64. So cons is able to handle huge softwares.

Hope this might help.

Cheers



X Strike Force XFree86 SVN commit: r1558 - trunk/debian

2004-06-22 Thread X Strike Force SVN Repository Admin
Author: branden
Date: 2004-06-22 16:36:54 -0500 (Tue, 22 Jun 2004)
New Revision: 1558

Modified:
   trunk/debian/CHANGESETS
   trunk/debian/changelog
Log:
Fix my email address, which was butchered in the changelog due to $DEBEMAIL
being undefined on my host.


Modified: trunk/debian/CHANGESETS
===
--- trunk/debian/CHANGESETS 2004-06-22 18:16:23 UTC (rev 1557)
+++ trunk/debian/CHANGESETS 2004-06-22 21:36:54 UTC (rev 1558)
@@ -42,6 +42,6 @@
 
 Enhance xlibs package's bug script to report compiled XKB data for X
 server, if possible.
-1557
+1557, 1558
 
 vim:set ai et sts=4 sw=4 tw=80:

Modified: trunk/debian/changelog
===
--- trunk/debian/changelog  2004-06-22 18:16:23 UTC (rev 1557)
+++ trunk/debian/changelog  2004-06-22 21:36:54 UTC (rev 1558)
@@ -31,7 +31,7 @@
   * Update French debconf template translations (thanks, Christian Perrier).
 (Closes: #255464)
 
- -- Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:15:22 -0500
+ -- Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:36:05 -0500
 
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Bug#254632: xterm update results in worse thread view in mutt running inside a GNU screen

2004-06-22 Thread Thomas Dickey
On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 03:48:49AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> The typescript file is attached.

It does show that screen isn't issuing the initialization string.
And in setting out to explain the results, I see the problem (the termcap).

Here's a readable version of the typescript from covering the initialization
through the first use of line-drawing text:

\n$ screen -r m\r
\n
\E7
\E[?47h
\E7
\E[r
\E[m
\E[?7h
\E[?1;3;4;6l
\E[4l
\E8
\E>
\E[4l
\E[?1h
\E=
\E[m^O
\E[1;76r
\E[H
\E[2J
\E[H
\E[2J
\E[7mq:Quit  d:Del  u:Undel  s:Save  c:Mailg:Group  ?:Help  
 \rq:Q
\n
\E[m1
\E[5COct 16 Florian_Oelmaie ( 110) Antwort:  Verst\344ndnisproblem zum Thema 
op\r   
\n2
\E[5COct 16 Peter Wintrich  (  25) ^Ntq^O>\r   
\n3

A big chunk comes from the termcap initialization string (and has nothing
to do with line-drawing, so we can ignore that):

:is=\E7\E[r\E[m\E[?7h\E[?1;3;4;6l\E[4l\E8\E>:\

What's left consists mostly of cursor movement (\E[H), clearing (\E[J), some
text - and ^N/^O to turn on line-drawing temporarily.  What I don't see is a
string such as \E)0.  Referring to ctlseqs.ms

SO Shift Out (Ctrl-N) -> Switch to Alternate Character Set:
   invokes the G1 character set.

ESC ) CDesignate G1 Character Set (ISO 2022)
 C = 0  -> DEC Special Character and Line Drawing Set

This was not noticeable before #182, since xterm's initialization did
that (incorrectly).  Fixing xterm exposed this error.

The termcap should have a string such as

:eA=\E)0:

which would tell screen how to initialize the alternate character set.

Here's a diff of NetBSD's termcap which shows when the bug was added:

> diff netbsd.tc-1.53 netbsd.tc-1.52
1c1
< # $NetBSD: termcap.src,v 1.53 2000/04/16 01:27:44 mycroft Exp $
---
> # $NetBSD: termcap.src,v 1.52 2000/02/14 05:41:11 jun Exp $
1745,1747c1745
<   :RI=\E[%dC:UP=\E[%dA:\
<   :ac=``aaffggjjkkllmmnnooppqqrrssttuuvvwwxxyyzz{{||}}~~:\
<   :ae=^O:al=\E[L:as=^N:bl=^G:cd=\E[J:\
---
>   :RI=\E[%dC:UP=\E[%dA:ae=^O:al=\E[L:as=^N:bl=^G:cd=\E[J:\
1782c1780
<   :tc=xterm-xf86-v33:
---
>   :tc=xterm-r6:

See that 1.53 adds some of the line-drawing features, but omits "eA".

The termcap that comes with xterm has no line-drawing (to fit in 1023
bytes, you must choose features from line-drawing, color and function
keys).  This change was from another source.  It doesn't appear to be
copied from the termcaps I'm maintaining for ncurses.  Anyway, it's
a NetBSD bug (appears to be in the current 1.84 file).

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X Strike Force XFree86 SVN commit: r1559 - trunk/debian

2004-06-22 Thread X Strike Force SVN Repository Admin
Author: branden
Date: 2004-06-22 16:44:28 -0500 (Tue, 22 Jun 2004)
New Revision: 1559

Modified:
   trunk/debian/CHANGESETS
   trunk/debian/xterm.docs
Log:
Refer to text version of XTerm FAQ by the correct filename.


Modified: trunk/debian/CHANGESETS
===
--- trunk/debian/CHANGESETS 2004-06-22 21:36:54 UTC (rev 1558)
+++ trunk/debian/CHANGESETS 2004-06-22 21:44:28 UTC (rev 1559)
@@ -30,7 +30,7 @@
 /usr/share/doc/xterm/xterm.faq.gz, not
 /usr/share/doc/xterm/xterm.faq.text.gz.  Update xterm's doc-base
 information accordingly.
-1543
+1543, 1559
 
 Update Danish debconf template translations (thanks, Claus Hindsgaul).
 (Closes: #255184)

Modified: trunk/debian/xterm.docs
===
--- trunk/debian/xterm.docs 2004-06-22 21:36:54 UTC (rev 1558)
+++ trunk/debian/xterm.docs 2004-06-22 21:44:28 UTC (rev 1559)
@@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
 build-tree/xc/programs/xterm/README.i18n
 build-tree/xc/programs/xterm/xterm.log.html
 debian/local/xterm.faq.html
-debian/local/xterm.faq.text.gz
+debian/local/xterm.faq.gz
 debian/tmp/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc/PostScript/ctlseqs.ps
 debian/tmp/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc/ctlseqs.txt
 debian/tmp/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc/html/ctlseqs.html



howto/script for migration of ttf fonts into supported debian structure?

2004-06-22 Thread Andreas Schuldei
i have a couple of ttf fonts that i installed in one directory on
my system. now after installing additional debian ttf-packages,
i would like to have *one* clean solution for all fonts. is there
a script that copies the fonts around, generates indexes etc for
cases like this?



Re: Future of X packages in Debian

2004-06-22 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Dominique Dumont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.06.22.2237 +0200]:
> At one point you mentionned the shortcomings of autotools, it
> might be worth to check if cons or scons are more apt to build
> X than autotools.

While I agree that autotools are mostly a pain, I also didn't find
a viable alternative when I went on a quest recently. Scons is
powerful and I can recommend it to anyone, but it is an automake
replacement and features few to none of the features of autoconf.
There is toc (toc.sf.net), but it's very GNU-centric, so I imagine
that Debian may be happy with it as long as we don't start
supporting BSD-userland. In addition, I know the toc author
personally and can vouch for him: he's eager to incorporate
improvements into the system, so I guess there could be an
interesting synergy.

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Bug#255749: xterm: Dies with segmentation fault

2004-06-22 Thread Thomas Dickey
On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 09:40:14PM +0200, Mykola A. Nickishov wrote:
> Package: xterm
> Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-5
> Severity: normal
> 
> 
> 
> -- System Information:
> Debian Release: testing/unstable
>   APT prefers testing
>   APT policy: (990, 'testing'), (500, 'unstable')
> Architecture: i386 (i686)
> Kernel: Linux 2.6.6-2-k7
> Locale: LANG=uk_UA.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=uk_UA.UTF-8

The strace tells me that it failed very early - but not much more than that.
You might be able to get a walkback by running a copy of it without the
setuid (which is used only for utmp updating), from gdb.
 
> Versions of packages xterm depends on:
> ii  libc6 2.3.2.ds1-13   GNU C Library: Shared libraries 
> an
> ii  libexpat1 1.95.6-8   XML parsing C library - runtime 
> li
> ii  libfontconfig12.2.2-2generic font configuration 
> library
> ii  libfreetype6  2.1.7-2.1  FreeType 2 font engine, shared 
> lib
> ii  libice6   4.3.0.dfsg.1-5 Inter-Client Exchange library

4.3.0.dsfg.1-5 seems to be having problems (I'm using 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4 currently)

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Bug#255749: xterm: Dies with segmentation fault

2004-06-22 Thread Mykola A. Nickishov
On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 06:32:09PM -0400, Thomas Dickey wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 09:40:14PM +0200, Mykola A. Nickishov wrote:
> > Package: xterm
> > Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-5
> > Severity: normal
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- System Information:
> > Debian Release: testing/unstable
> >   APT prefers testing
> >   APT policy: (990, 'testing'), (500, 'unstable')
> > Architecture: i386 (i686)
> > Kernel: Linux 2.6.6-2-k7
> > Locale: LANG=uk_UA.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=uk_UA.UTF-8
> 
> The strace tells me that it failed very early - but not much more than that.
> You might be able to get a walkback by running a copy of it without the
> setuid (which is used only for utmp updating), from gdb.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ gdb xterm
(gdb) run
Starting program: /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x40146af0 in XawTreeForceLayout () from /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw.so.7
(gdb)

So the problem was in libxaw7. After downgrading libxaw7 from
4.3.0.dfsg.1-5 to 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4 xterm works fine.

Thank you, Thomas.

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Bug#255772: libxaw7: xterm dies with segfault

2004-06-22 Thread Mykola A. Nickishov
Package: libxaw7
Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-5
Severity: normal

xterm 4.3.0.dfsg.1-5 dies with SIGSEGV:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ gdb xterm
(gdb) run
Starting program: /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x40146af0 in XawTreeForceLayout () from /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw.so.7
(gdb)

After downgrading libxaw7 to 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4 problem has gone.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (990, 'testing'), (500, 'unstable')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Kernel: Linux 2.6.6-2-k7
Locale: LANG=uk_UA.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=uk_UA.UTF-8

Versions of packages libxaw7 depends on:
ii  libc6 2.3.2.ds1-13   GNU C Library: Shared libraries an
ii  libice6   4.3.0.dfsg.1-5 Inter-Client Exchange library
ii  libsm64.3.0.dfsg.1-5 X Window System Session Management
ii  libxext6  4.3.0.dfsg.1-5 X Window System miscellaneous exte
ii  libxmu6   4.3.0.dfsg.1-5 X Window System miscellaneous util
ii  libxpm4   4.3.0.dfsg.1-5 X pixmap library
ii  libxt64.3.0.dfsg.1-5 X Toolkit Intrinsics
ii  xlibs 4.3.0.dfsg.1-5 X Window System client libraries m

-- no debconf information



Bug#255749: xterm: Dies with segmentation fault

2004-06-22 Thread Thomas Dickey
> So the problem was in libxaw7. After downgrading libxaw7 from
> 4.3.0.dfsg.1-5 to 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4 xterm works fine.
> 
> Thank you, Thomas.

no problem (I think this one should be redirected to the X libraries)

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Re: Future of X packages in Debian

2004-06-22 Thread Daniel Stone
On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 10:37:33PM +0200, Dominique Dumont wrote:
> Keith Packard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > So, the big question is how to get everyone back into a single tree.  
> > Ideally, Egbert would let us just ditch the imake build system and move 
> > X.Org to autotools in one big jump; we have almost all of the build 
> > infrastructure ready and waiting in my 'research' trees.  
> 
> In case of a "big jump", is autotools the only alternative to imake ?
> 
> There are other build system like scons or cons that could be used to
> build X. 
> 
> At one point you mentionned the shortcomings of autotools, it might be
> worth to check if cons or scons are more apt to build X than autotools.

Sure, every build system sucks. It just so happens that autoconf sucks
less than imake, and most everything else.

One of the reasons we're moving, however (and this is a major reason),
is that everyone knows autotools. People are comfortable with using it,
and hacking it to some degree. Most people have autotools installed.

Right now, we've already migrated xlibs, xapps (someone has autotooled a
great deal of the missing xapps, which I discovered last night - word),
and xserver and some of the drivers to autotools. We've already
committed, and it's way too late to go back and work with a build system
we're all unfamiliar with.

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Re: Future of X packages in Debian

2004-06-22 Thread Daniel Stone
On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 07:57:44PM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jun 2004, Greg Folkert wrote:
> > > * What kinds of X packages would you like to see in the future?
> >
> > I'd like to see a packaging that gives me the ability to mix and match
> > pieces from any of the choices we have available. IOW, meta packages to
> > get the "full" compliment of each version, or me picking cheeries if I
> > want. Lotsa work... But hey, you said you wanted to know.
> 
> eheh but i doubt the XSF will have manpower to handle more than one
> implementation. Other people can join and package other parts from other
> sources.

I don't think separate X servers will require too much work at all, once
it's modularised. Remember, uploading tiny changes in tiny packages is
*easy*.

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Re: Future of X packages in Debian

2004-06-22 Thread Daniel Stone
On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 07:53:52PM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jun 2004, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote:
> > On Friday 18 June 2004 09.02, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
> > > * Should we ensure that multiple implementations of the X Window
> > > System are packaged, or standardize on just one?
> >
> > from a user perspective, multiple X servers to chose from which are
> > almost but not exaclty the same is most confusing. AFAICT this is not
> > like having KDE and GNOME and .. in the archive because they are really
> > different, but this is more like the kernel having 3 different drivers
> > for NCR53c8xx SCSI chips, and how should the user know which to use and
> > why (difference in the scale, obviously)...
> 
> Users can still have the freedom to choose. XSF will only support one, but
> other people are perfectly allowed to package other servers. Noone will
> ever stop them to do so.

I'm huge on the freedom to choose, but not so much on being *forced* to
choose. Users should have the freedom to install KDrive if they want
(IMHO this should be packaged), or whatever, but Xorg should come per
default - most people aren't qualified to make that choice, and shouldn't
have to.

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Re: Future of X packages in Debian

2004-06-22 Thread Daniel Stone
On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 08:04:47PM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Jun 2004, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > We could also start the slow app migration, and autotool missing apps as
> > we go; for the time being, just disable the ones that are there. Moving
> > to Thomas Dickey's xterm entirely would also be nice.
> >
> > Thus, my short-term proposal is:
> > * Libraries: fd.o, from /cvs/xlibs, according to
> >   http://people.debian.org/~daniels/xlibs.html.
> > * Server: X.Org, built from the monolithic tree.
> > * Apps: Mix of monolithic and some broken-out apps - gradual
> >   migration towards modular.
> > * Docs/Fonts: X.Org, built from the monolithic tree.
> >
> > If the DDK patches were merged, this might also significantly ease the
> > pain WRT drivers. My preferred long-term solution obviously involves
> > moving to the modular tree.
> >
> > If we continue to have a single monolithic 'xorg' source package, we can
> > keep working from this, while in parallel working upstream on the
> > modularisation efforts. This provides a good solution to the problem of
> > slowly-drifting X implementations (the libraries are particularly
> > worrying), and also alleviates our workload, as we can start merging
> > some of our hundreds of thousands of lines of patches into the parts
> > we've modularised.
> >
> > This means that we can disable app building one-by-one, get rid of the
> > fonts, docs, et al, and eventually also the server.
> >
> > I am willing to expend significant work on this; indeed, I'm in the
> > middle of my rejuvinated xlibs work, and am prepared to put in the work
> > to disable the libs on the server side - all the packaging work that
> > would be needed to transition to using fd.o xlibs.
> 
> How would you perform such a transition without packaging madness? I am
> afraid that we will endup in a big mess of Conflicts: Replaces: Provides:
> that we will have to support across at least one major release.
> (hey just from a fast look.)

Not really - the xlibs bustup did most of the work for us, so we just
need to provide higher versions[0] for the libs. The apps will need a
good epoching, probably, and C/R xbase-clients.

:) d

[0]: A fair few of them are 6.x, but the rest will need an epoch.

-- 
Daniel Stone<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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