Re: Please add Debian Astro to the organizational structure

[Paul Wise]

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 5:25 PM, Ole Streicher wrote:

> could you please add the following lines to the "Debian Blends" section
> of https://www.debian.org/intro/organization ?

Added in CVS.

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Bug#845297: Website transition from CVS to Git - script including cvs-revisions in commits

[Paul Wise]

On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 3:48 AM, Laura Arjona Reina wrote:

> I feel that "CVS version numbers" may match to some other present commit
> messages when parsing logs. Maybe it's useful to add some character(s)
> to make that line "unique"?

I have checked `git log` in my git-cvs webwml checkout and the phrase
"CVS version numbers" does not appear at all. The phrase "CVS version
number" (without the "s") appears twice.

>> After the repo has been converted, use the cvs-revisions file to add a
>> git commit automatically rewriting all the translation-check headers
>> to the git-based system Laura proposed.
>
> Somebody has to write a script... I don't feel myself skilled to write
> from scratch, but I'll try to read, understand and test if anybody comes
> with a proposal.

Anyone who is willing to work on this should note that there can be
multiple levels of translation-check headers chaining through
different files, for example:

slovak/international/Slovak/index.wml

-> english/international/Slovak/index.wml
#use wml::debian::translation-check translation="1.14" original="slovak"

-> french/international/Slovak/index.wml
#use wml::debian::translation-check translation="1.14" maintainer="David Prévot"

> Also, help on migrating the corresponding Perl scripts to handle
> translations with git instead of CVS is welcome! See the current status:

In addition, we need to fix a few scripts that directly use
Local::Cvsinfo to switch to using VCS instead.

$ git grep Local::Cvs | grep -v Perl/Local
french/international/french/desc.wml:use Local::Cvsinfo;
french/international/french/desc.wml:my $cvs = Local::Cvsinfo->new();
smart_change.pl:use Local::Cvsinfo;
smart_change.pl:my $cvs = Local::Cvsinfo->new();
stattrans.pl:use Local::Cvsinfo;
stattrans.pl:my $cvs = Local::Cvsinfo->new();
stattrans.pl:my $altcvs = Local::Cvsinfo->new();
touch_translations.pl:use Local::Cvsinfo;
touch_translations.pl:my $cvs = Local::Cvsinfo->new();

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Re: cvs add failed

[Paul Wise]

On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 5:58 AM, sebul wrote:

> sebul@sebulnet:~/webwml/korean/releases/buster$ cvs add index.wml
> cvs add: authorization failed: server cvs.debian.org rejected access to
> /cvs/webwml for user sebul-guest
> cvs add: used empty password; try "cvs login" with a real password

Looks like you have direct commit access:

$ ssh alioth.debian.org id sebul-guest
uid=403256(sebul-guest) gid=403256(sebul-guest)
groups=403256(sebul-guest),110081(l10n-korean),150859(scm_sepwatch),51135(scm_webwml),11135(webwml)

Where did you check out your repository from?

It should look something like this:

$ head CVS/R*
==> CVS/Repository <==
webwml

==> CVS/Root <==
:ext:p...@cvs.debian.org:/cvs/webwml

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Re: cvs add failed

[Paul Wise]

On Sat, 2017-12-23 at 14:31 +0900, sebul wrote:

> I cheked out as follows.
> cvs -d:ext:sebul-gu...@cvs.debian.org:/cvs/webwml co webwml

That looks correct.

> How can I commit ?

Did you tell CVS to commit over SSH?

export CVS_RSH=ssh

https://www.debian.org/devel/website/using_cvs

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Re: web site fixes

[Paul Wise]

On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 7:31 AM, Nathan Myers wrote:

> Where do I find current textual sources for the debian.org web site?

Please see this page on our website:

https://www.debian.org/devel/website/

We use a combination of WML, Make and Perl to build the website.

http://thewml.org/

> (Is it really still in CVS?)

We have an in-progress migration to git but it is not completed yet.
If you do not want to touch CVS, I suggest either downloading
individual files via the viewvc web interface and diffing them
manually or, if you have an ssh-capable alioth account, using git-cvs
to download out the whole CVS repository and convert it to git
locally.

https://wiki.debian.org/WebsiteGitTransition
https://bugs.debian.org/845297
https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/webwml/webwml2git.git/
https://github.com/osamuaoki/git-cvs
https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/webwml/webwml/

> Is this the place to send patches?

Please file patches in bugs against the www.debian.org pseudo-package:

https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting

> The "download debian" pages still suggest that 32-bit x86 is the common PC
> architecture, rather than the 64-bit amd64 seen almost everywhere today.

The download pages are due for an overhaul, if you want to take on
that task and consult the CD and installer teams about your proposed
changes, that would be awesome.

https://bugs.debian.org/819664

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Bug#885440: wiki.debian.org: whitelist account registration for all Debian contributors

[Paul Wise]

Package: wiki.debian.org
Severity: wishlist
Tags: newcomer

The Debian wiki requires account registration and requires admin
confirmation for possibly-spammy new accounts. In order to reduce
signup friction for existing contributors to other parts of Debian,
we should automatically whitelist all Debian contributors for new
account creation, similarly to how we whitelist Tor connections.

To achieve this, we need two things:

A script to automatically download a list of Debian contributor email
addresses from the relevant locations and write them here, one per line:

etc/moin/email_whitelist_auto

A modification to our internal scripts to pay attention to this file.
Once the first task has been completed, the wiki admins will do this.

Some possible locations to get Debian contributor addresses:

http://ftp.debian.org/ (Maintainer/Uploaders fields)
https://keyring.debian.org/ (OpenPGP key IDs)
https://db.debian.org/ (would require authentication)
https://contributors.debian.org/ (would require authentication)
https://alioth.debian.org/ (would require authentication)
https://salsa.debian.org/ (would require authentication)

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Bug#885433: wiki.debian.org: Access to wiki.debian.org is blocked with 403 Forbidden

[Paul Wise]

On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Luiz DAvila wrote:

> Can you please unblock 189.103.121.228 ?

Looks like we have blocked the entirety of 189.103.*.* due to a number
of spammers across the range. I'll discuss removing this block with
the other wiki admins.

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Bug#886652: WWW: identi.ca/debian does not work

[Paul Wise]

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 10:55 PM, Laura Arjona Reina wrote:

> Meanwhile you can check out micronews.debian.org (identi.ca/debian publishes 
> its RSS feed).

Should we link to there instead of identi.ca/debian?

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Re: How can change sitemap ?

[Paul Wise]

On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 5:03 PM, sebul wrote:

> from "Network install from a minimal CD"
> to "최소 CD에서 네트워크 설치"
>
> How can I do ?

I think to translate the links in the sitemap, you must translate the
titles of the pages they link to. So for the title you mentioned, you
need a title translation for the CD/netinst/index.wml page. You can
find the right page by searching in the english/ directory with grep:

$ grep -rF 'Network install from a minimal CD' english/
english/CD/netinst/index.wml:#use wml::debian::cdimage title="Network
install from a minimal CD"

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Bug#886652: WWW: identi.ca/debian does not work

[Paul Wise]

On Tue, 2018-01-16 at 15:37 +0100, Laura Arjona Reina wrote:

> There is already a link to micronews.d.o there.

Hmm, are you sure? I don't see any:

$ curl -s https://www.debian.org/ | grep -i micron

I meant that we should remove the links to identi.ca/debian and instead
link to the micrownews site.

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Re: update request

[Paul Wise]

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 11:29 PM, Breno Leitao wrote:

> Well, this is not my material. For this material you should contact
> debian-www@lists.debian.org team. Let me CC them here.

The mail you are responding to is spam.

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Re: Tor hidden service for debian-security seems to be down

[Paul Wise]

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Jonathan Femideer wrote:

> According to
> https://blog.torproject.org/debian-and-tor-services-available-onion-services
> , security.debian.org should be available via a hidden service at
> http://sgvtcaew4bxjd7ln.onion .
>
> That onion address times out for me, even though security.debian.org is
> accessible.

I saw the timeout yesterday after reading your mail, but it works now.

security.debian.org is backed by a number of different machines and
the onion service is backed by those same machines via onionbalance.
One of the machines was recently down (restarted yesterday). During
the outage it was removed from security.d.o but I guess not from the
onion service. I guess this could have been the cause of this issue,
but I would have thought that onionbalance would have prevented down
machines from affecting the service.

> Is the outage already known and has it been reported somewhere? (Is there a
> status dashboard for Debian domains/services?)

https://nagios.debian.org/

Guest login is listed here:

https://dsa.debian.org/

> Please CC me if you reply.

Done.

PS: debian-www is the mailing list for the content of www.debian.org,
a better list for outages is debian-admin.

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Re: Account creation failed: Error 700: please contact debian-www@lists.debian.org for help if this continues.

[Paul Wise]

On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 1:37 AM, Michelle Konzack wrote:

> I tried to create an account on 

I've just whitelisted your email now so things should work OK if you
try to register again. Please let us know if you have any problems.

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Re: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/openssh-server links to non-existing Changelog

[Paul Wise]

On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Tomasz Papszun wrote:

> As there hasn't been any openssh related advisory at
> https://www.debian.org/security/ lately, I was a little suspicious and
> wanted to find some official confirmation.

If you are going to use wheezy, please subscribe to the LTS announce list:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-lts-announce/
https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20180126211311.mrb5ogdcxc5hi...@curie.anarc.at

Please note that LTS for wheezy ends in May, you might want to start
preparing your upgrade to jessie and then stretch.

https://wiki.debian.org/LTS

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Re: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/openssh-server links to non-existing Changelog

[Paul Wise]

On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Tomasz Papszun wrote:

> On clicking the link the browser lands at
> http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/o/openssh/openssh_6.0p1-4+deb7u7_changelog
>
> which says:
>
> "Not Found
>
> The requested URL
> /changelogs/main/o/openssh/openssh_6.0p1-4+deb7u7_changelog was not
> found on this server.
> Apache Server at metadata.ftp-master.debian.org Port 80".
>
> Is the problem known?

This problem is known since 2008:

https://bugs.debian.org/490848

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Re: br ? Breton ? 프랑스 ?

[Paul Wise]

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 3:57 AM, sebul wrote:

> What file should I change ?

I did a search in the korean folder and found this:

korean/po/langs.ko.po:212:msgid "Breton"

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Re: 64-bit MIPS (little endian) not found

[Paul Wise]

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 7:47 AM, sebul wrote:

> When I click
> 64-bit MIPS (little endian)
> in https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/index.en.html
> I get
> Page not found.
>
> How can fix it?

This needs to be fixed in the web server configuration. Each port name
is redirected to the page for the port family, for example armel,
armhf, arm64 all redirect to arm. I've updated the configuration just
now and it should propagate to each of the website mirrors over the
next hours.

https://salsa.debian.org/dsa-team/mirror/dsa-puppet/commit/b0438e1011fa3b94b6b446b51287d204be81b712

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Re: br ? Breton ? 프랑스 ?

[Paul Wise]

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 11:34 PM, Laura Arjona Reina wrote:

> Looks like it's updated now, and showing the correct string in Korean.

It still seems wrong, the web page says 프랑스어 but the translation says
브레톤어 instead.

sebul, if you build the Korean page locally, do you get the correct translation?

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Re: br ? Breton ? 프랑스 ?

[Paul Wise]

On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 10:20 AM, sebul wrote:

> I did not compile.
> I just translated.
> I don't know why translation is not accepted.

I looked through the code involved for this:

english/international/l10n/po/index.wml:11:
english/international/l10n/dtc.def:205:
international/l10n/dtc.def:183:print "$l — ".language_name($l)."\n";
international/l10n/dtc.def:133:sub language_name {
international/l10n/dtc.def:147: $lang_fullname =
dgettext("iso_639_3", "$lang_fullname");

So it looks like this is caused by the iso-codes package:

$ msgunfmt /usr/share/locale/ko/LC_MESSAGES/iso_639_3.mo | grep -A1 Breton
msgid "Breton"
msgstr "프랑스어"
$ dpkg -S /usr/share/locale/ko/LC_MESSAGES/iso_639_3.mo
iso-codes: /usr/share/locale/ko/LC_MESSAGES/iso_639_3.mo

Please file a bug against the iso-codes package indicating that the
Korean translation of Breton should be "브레톤어" instead of "프랑스어". If
you can see any other translation errors in the translation file,
please report those too.

https://sources.debian.org/src/iso-codes/3.78-1/iso_639-3/ko.po
https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/iso-codes/iso-639-3/ko/
https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting

Please note that this won't reach the Debian website until after the
issue is fixed in Debian stable. Please suggest to the iso-codes
maintainers to make an update in stable and oldstable for the
translation changes done since Debian stretch.

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Re: br ? Breton ? 프랑스 ?

[Paul Wise]

On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 4:59 AM, sebul wrote:

> Thank you very much.
> But... I can't understand.
> Why translation depend .mo files, not .po files ?

All programs read .mo files rather than .po files when looking up
translations. The .po files are transformed during the build to .mo
files and the .mo files are installed, while the .po files are only
available in the source. The .mo files are in a binary format that is
more efficient for programs to look up the right translation for a
given string.

https://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/gettext.html#MO-Files

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Re: Recovering a wiki.debian.org account

[Paul Wise]

On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 10:29 AM, John Wright wrote:

> I've been trying to login to wiki.debian.org (as JohnWright).

Replying to this off-list.

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Re: cvs ci failed. How can I solve it?

[Paul Wise]

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:45 PM, sebul wrote:
> I solved it.
> I changed
> http://cdimage-search.debian.org
> to
> https://cdimage-search.debian.org
>
> I just add a character s after http

Indeed.

I've updated all the other links to the site using this command:

site=cdimage-search.debian.org
fgrep -rl $site english/ | egrep 'wml|src' |
xargs ./smart_change.pl -s "s{http://$site}{https://$site}g";
nano $(grep -rl http://.*$site .)

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Bug#890447: www.debian.org: Reorganise /News/index page, and add info about other news channels (bits, micronews...)

[Paul Wise]

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 4:40 AM, Laura Arjona Reina wrote:

> or https://micronews.debian.org";>micronews.debian.org

I would replace "micronews.debian.org" in the text with "Debian
micronews", since that is the title and heading on the micronews.d.o
site.

> which RSS-feeds the @debian profile in several social networks."

I wonder if we need to mention external social networks at all.

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Re: I am being blocked from Debian's wiki website

[Paul Wise]

On Sun, 2018-02-18 at 22:33 -0300, Caio Saldanha wrote:

> You are not allowed to access this!

This usually means your IP address was banned for spam.

Please reply to w...@debian.org giving your IP address.

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Re: About Jigdo ?

[Paul Wise]

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 7:54 AM, sebul wrote:

> Is jigdo good nowadays ?

It depends.

If you have a bad network link to an ISO mirror but a good network
link to a normal Debian archive mirror, then you might prefer to use
jidgo to create ISOs. You could also just use mini.iso to do the
install, but if you plan to do an install fully-offline then you will
need a full set of installation ISOs.

Most of the world has a good network link. Most people will just do
online installs. So jidgo is not needed by most of the world. There
are of course exceptions to this where jidgo is still needed.

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Re: website outdated ?

[Paul Wise]

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:30 PM, ch-mi...@t-online.de wrote:

> on the Website
> https://www.debian.org/News/
>
> Latest News
> No items for this year

In addition to what others have said, you might want to follow these
news sources:

https://bits.debian.org/
https://micronews.debian.org/

-announce mailing lists:
https://lists.debian.org/completeindex.html

https://planet.debian.org/

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Re: Debian Wiki Access

[Paul Wise]

On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 10:44 PM, discoursevalid wrote:

> First of all thank you for maintaining debian's websites.
> I am a big fan of Debian's Wiki however I spend alot of my time under a VPN
> called "AirVPN" and your wiki has blocked access to viewing the wiki at all.

VPNs usually get blocked due to spammers using them.

Please email w...@debian.org with the IP address details.

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Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by gusnan: webwml japanese/security/2013/dsa-2665.wml swe ...

[Paul Wise]

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 7:38 PM, STEPHANIE MANZANO wrote:

> HELP! how do i unsubscribe.

Enter your email here, click unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation mails.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/
https://lists.debian.org/debian-www-cvs/

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Re: Executable file Relevant question

[Paul Wise]

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 5:25 PM, 송준영 wrote:

> Please send answer for me.

Please ask for help on the Debian user support channels:

https://www.debian.org/support.ko

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Re: Web team sprint in Madrid (April 2018)?

[Paul Wise]

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 6:03 AM, Laura Arjona Reina wrote:

> Hence I'm proposing a web team sprint here in my place in Madrid.

I think that is a great idea! I won't attend locally but I can try to
participate remotely if Perl skills are needed.

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Re: I need your guides.

[Paul Wise]

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 11:20 PM, The Rustic wrote:

> Could you teach me

Please contact the Debian user support channels:

https://www.debian.org/support

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Bug#893397: adapt the cron scripts to use http:// instead of ftp://

[Paul Wise]

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 10:55 PM, Osamu Aoki wrote:

> apt-get has -C option to use non-standard /etc/apt/sources.list
> listing unstable distribution:

This is the wrong way to completely override the system apt
configuration. The right way is to set the APT_CONFIG environment
variable. See the apt.conf(5) manual page, APT_CONFIG is the first
method that apt uses to find the config file and the -C command-line
option is the very last one so it cannot prevent loading all the
system config. The chdist tool (from devscripts), the apt-venv package
and the derivatives census code get this correct.

I definitely agree that apt-get could be used to download packages
from repositories, especially since it will verify hashes and
signatures.

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Bug#893397: adapt the cron scripts to use http:// instead of ftp://

[Paul Wise]

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 11:50 PM, Osamu Aoki wrote:

> One negative point of above approach is that it always downloads doc deb
> packages even if there are no changes.

This will prevent downloading the same package twice:

chdist apt old install --download-only emacsen-common

> Also unpacking code is still complicated to make it future proof.

Hmm, do you have any more details? Is dpkg -x not enough?

> Then I thought it may be good idea to create very small Debian unstable
> chroot.  Then install pertinent doc packages.  For old deb from
> snapshot, we can wget and dpkg -i.  Then this chroot can be updated and
> dist-upgraded.  This causes to download all base package updates but
> skips repeated download of doc packages.  Hmmm... which is worse?

A chroot needs root so probably isn't going to work here.

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Bug#845297: Bug #845297: Website transition from CVS to Git

[Paul Wise]

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 11:06 PM, Laura Arjona Reina wrote:

> I have some questions:
> 1.- would the cvs2git script allow incremental updates?

Shouldn't be necessary, I thought we would do a one-off conversion once ready.

> wouldn't make more sense to avoid the extra commits related to the conversion?

I'd rather preserve the script used to do the conversion.

> 2.- Does anybody prefer that I upload this repo to
> https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/webwml too?

Seems better to make it obvious these are test conversions.

> 3.- Which are the next steps? (I guess attack the Perl scripts

I think I wrote some in an earlier mail, but yes the Perl scripts.

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Bug#893980: www.debian.org: Many mirrors have no or untrusted HTTPS certificates

[Paul Wise]

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 5:37 AM, Martin Monperrus wrote:

> Switching my APT config to HTTPS, I notice that many mirrors either do not
> support HTTPS or have untrusted HTTPS certificates

This isn't something the Debian website team can fix, please contact
the admin for each mirror individually.

> (eg https://mirror-csail.debian.org/)

That hostname is not a public Debian mirror and doesn't support https,
what gave you the impression it was?

> It would be great to update the reference page
> https://www.debian.org/mirror/list to clearly show all mirrors supporting 
> HTTPS
> with a valid certificate.

The primary mirrors ftp.*.debian.org cannot support https because the
mirror team have to be able to repoint the domains at different
mirrors when one goes down.

The Debian mirror team don't keep track of https support for the
secondary mirrors so the website team cannot add information about
that to the website.

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Bug#893980: www.debian.org: Many mirrors have no or untrusted HTTPS certificates

[Paul Wise]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 5:54 PM, Martin Monperrus wrote:

> Would it make sense to keep track of valid https support for the
> secondary mirrors?

If it could be done automatically I guess.
Please contact the mirror team about this.

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Bug#893980: www.debian.org: Many mirrors have no or untrusted HTTPS certificates

[Paul Wise]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 9:39 PM, Rhonda D'Vine wrote:
> * Martin Monperrus:
>> Would it make sense to keep track of valid https support for the
>> secondary mirrors?
>
>  Actually the issue still holds: The mirror team needs to repoint
> mirrors to other servers at times and thus the certificate there
> wouldn't include those redirected mirrors.

The mirror team don't control the DNS for secondary mirrors. The
individual mirror admins could be doing that, but it seems unlikely to
me.

> I am aware that there is a privacy concern involved, like what packages
> get downloaded, but appart from that that's the only knowledge to gain
> from unencrypted http traffic.

https doesn't provide protection against correlation of download size
to packages downloaded, so it doesn't have much advantage over http
for package download privacy.

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Bug#893980: www.debian.org: Many mirrors have no or untrusted HTTPS certificates

[Paul Wise]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:11 PM, Rhonda D'Vine wrote:

>  Right, but DNS for the primary ones, and pointing them towards a server
> that isn't under their control would mean that they'd have to carry a
> *.debian.org wildcard certificate.  Which won't happen for non-DSA
> operated infrastructure.

Martin was talking about tracking https availability for the secondary
mirrors, which don't have an associated ftp.*.debian.org DNS record.

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Bug#893980: www.debian.org: Many mirrors have no or untrusted HTTPS certificates

[Paul Wise]

On Tue, 2018-03-27 at 09:24 +0200, Martin Monperrus wrote:

> If some primary mirrors support HTTPS with a proper certificate

As Rhonda and I said before, that isn't possible because of the
requirements on the ftp.*.debian.org domains.

> What would be great is a list of all mirrors which support HTTPS with
> a proper certificate. That list can be maintained automatically.

I'm sure the mirror monitoring team would welcome help with that,
their code is available here and their results are available here:

https://salsa.debian.org/mirror-team/
https://mirror-master.debian.org/

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Bug#845297: Bug #845297: Website transition from CVS to Git

[Paul Wise]

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 12:38 AM, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 04:06:46PM +0100, Laura Arjona Reina wrote:
> ...
>> I have some questions:
>> 1.- would the cvs2git script allow incremental updates? in case "yes", 
>> wouldn't
>> make more sense to avoid the extra commits related to the conversion? I'm
>> talking about these lines in the script:
>
> No, according to their web site;
>
> http://www.mcs.anl.gov/~jacob/cvs2svn/cvs2git.html
>   cvs2git, like cvs2svn, does not support incremental conversion

Laura was referring to the cvs2git script I attached to the bug
earlier, not the one you mention.

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Bug#893980:

[Paul Wise]

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 3:22 PM, Martin Monperrus wrote:

> I can open an account, but I'm not allowed to create an issue on 
> https://salsa.debian.org/mirror-team/

I guess a merge request would be preferred.

> What's the most effective way to contact the mirror team?

`reportbug mirrors` is probably the best way.

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Re: Mistake on https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting

[Paul Wise]

On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 7:44 PM, Jonny Grant wrote:

> Based on this, would debian follow a modern approach? We're in 2018, not 2001!

We don't have any web-based package managers AFAIK ;)

How about this?

reportbug is installed by default so you should be able to start
reportbug from the "System" category of your menus.

If (reportbug)[apt://reportbug] is not yet installed, you can install
it using the package manager installed on your system (such as GNOME
Software, KDE Muon, Synaptic, Aptitude GTK etc).

If you don't have a graphical package manager installed, you can open
the terminal application and run a command-line package manager as
root.

If you are using a modern desktop such as GNOME or KDE, you can run
this command:

pkexec apt install reportbug

If you did not set a root password or your user has sudo access, you
can run this command:

sudo apt install reportbug

If you set a root password, you can run this command:

su -c 'apt install reportbug'

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Re: Mistake on https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting

[Paul Wise]

On Thu, 2018-04-05 at 14:04 +0100, Jonny Grant wrote:

> I feel this is much clearer.

The proposal is a good start, however:

I don't think the instructions for how to install a package belong on
the page about reporting bugs. Debian doesn't appear to have an
existing page about how to install packages. Since the set of graphical
 package managers and commands for gaining root will probably change
over time, it would be best to put this page on the wiki where it is
more easily modified, possibly linked from one of these pages:

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianPackageManagement
https://wiki.debian.org/PackageManagement

We need to gather the list of package managers that are installed by
default for each of the popular desktops. Then add the list of the most
popular alternative package managers.

Would you be interested in creating the wiki page?

Once that is done, we can remove the install instructions from the bugs
page and link to the new wiki page.

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Re: Mistake on https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting

[Paul Wise]

On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 7:43 PM, Jonny Grant wrote:

> Good ideas, maybe someone from debian project?

Anyone can edit the wiki, it doesn't require Debian membership.

> That is, how to make it clearer to users to install the bugreport tool and
> report issues?

I've made some changes that improve this:

https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/webwml/webwml/english/Bugs/Reporting.wml?r1=1.85&r2=1.86

Here is my rationale for these changes:

https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/webwml/webwml/english/Bugs/Reporting.wml?view=log

Once the relevant wiki page has been created we can link to that.

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Re: Mistake on https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting

[Paul Wise]

On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 8:27 PM, Jonny Grant wrote:

> Could it simply follow the accepted modern convention in a text box?
>
> sudo apt-get install reportbug
> reportbug

I believe what I have done is better for several reasons:

Modern desktops de-emphasise the command-line and many users probably
have never heard of the command-line.

Modern desktops include menu systems that are more user friendly than
the command-line.

Modern desktops include graphical package managers that are more user
friendly than the command-line.

Modern desktops de-emphasise using sudo to run commands as root.

For a given user, there is no way to tell which desktop they are
running, which package manager is available and preferred and which
run-as-root method is available or preferred. So, we can't hard-code
command-line, sudo or apt-get on the page.

Once there is a user-friendly page about installing packages using the
various mechanisms available, then we could link to that.

PS: for users/sysadmins, apt-get is deprecated in favour of apt.

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Re: cvs login failed

[Paul Wise]

On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 2:03 AM, The7up wrote:

> I have been here a long time ago and I think my account is suspended in cvs.
> (usrname:zibi-guest)

Your account still exists and is still a member of webwml:

https://alioth.debian.org/users/zibi-guest

> How can I get help?

Describe the problem you are having in more detail.

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Re: PTS link missing on packages.d.o

[Paul Wise]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:38 AM, Thorsten Glaser wrote:

> https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/libidn2 (for example)
> has a number of links on the right, e.g. “Bug Reports”,
> “Developer Information”, etc.
>
> There used to be a link to packages.qa.d.o/libi/libidn2.html
> there, which seems to have vanished.

It was replaced by the "Developer Information" link to tracker.d.o.

> Please re-add that link.

packages.qa.d.o is deprecated and will eventually go away once
tracker.d.o supports everything packages.qa.d.o does, so I don't think
we should re-add any links to it.

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Re: PTS link missing on packages.d.o

[Paul Wise]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 7:06 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote:

> that is very ouch. It looks completely different, and its UI
> makes it hard to find things, I am very happy with p.qa.d.o.

Hmm, the UI seems like it is almost exactly the same to me.

> To whom do I have to talk to revert this decision of it
> “eventually going away”?

File bugs against tracker.debian.org for each regression.

Since the extra detail in the "action needed" section can now be
toggled without JS, I lost my main reason for using and working on the
PTS. The remaining things are either functionality regressions,
cosmetic things or unused features that I can ignore or workaround
with browser configuration.

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Re: PowerPC-Section of Documentation - Some links are outdated

[Paul Wise]

On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 1:10 AM, Maik Wagner wrote:

> I am currently thinking about joining the PowerProgress-Community who are 
> currently working on the design of a PowerPC-Notebook and bought an old Mac 
> G5 recently which arrived today.

FYI, the Debian powerpc architecture is no longer an officially
supported release architecture.

I'd suggest you and other Debian users from the
PowerProgress-Community get involved with the Debian porting efforts
if you would like the unofficial Debian powerpc architecture to stick
around.

ircs://irc.oftc.net/debianppc
https://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/
https://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/
https://wiki.debian.org/PowerPC
ircs://irc.oftc.net/debian-ports
https://www.ports.debian.org/

> What steps would I have to take to contribute to PPC-documentation?

Our documentation for how the Debian website works is available here:

https://www.debian.org/devel/website/

If you don't want to interact with CVS, the source files are available here:

https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/webwml/webwml/english/ports/powerpc/

You can send patches as bug reports against the www.debian.org pseudo-package.

https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting

Please note that anonscm.d.o will be going away soon and we are
working on a transition to using git for the website.

https://wiki.debian.org/WebsiteGitTransition

> Also the German version of

Information about helping with German translations is available here:

https://www.debian.org/international/German/

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Bug#845297: Migration to Salsa

[Paul Wise]

On Sun, 2018-04-29 at 13:49 +0200, Alex Muntada wrote:

> Therefore, it seems that we'll need to translate CVS revisions to
> commit IDs at least once after the repository has been migrated
> finally to git and before any translation is performed.

Please note that smart_change.pl needs to work with the new workflow.
This means that we can't use git commit IDs in translations headers,
unless we want smart_change.pl to make two commits instead of one.

The alternative is to use git file+metadata hashes, which can be
calculated before a commit happens, placed into translations headers
and used to diff between two versions of a file. I'm not sure how well
this will fit with the existing webwml VCS modules though.

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Bug#845297: Migration to Salsa

[Paul Wise]

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 12:29 AM, Alex Muntada wrote:

> Thanks for pointing that out. I've been studying smart_change.pl
> and I couldn't find where that commit you mention is happening.

The commit is done after smart_change.pl is run, by the person who is
making the change. So if we use git commit ids in the headers that
smart_change.pl writes, they need to refer to a future commit that
hasn't happened yet, whose date is unknown and therefore whose SHA-1
hash is unknowable because it depends on the date.

> Could you elaborate a bit more on the git file+metafile details?
> I'm not following you, sorry.

Each file in a git tree is associated with a hash of some data that is
the file contents prefixed with a header containing the object type
('blob' for files), a space, the file size and a NUL character.
Storing these blob object hashes in the translation-check headers
would allow us to calculate them before commits (as smart_change.pl
does with CVS revision numbers). The machinery behind the translation
comparison stuff can then easily do a git diff between the two object
hashes. Since these git object hashes refer to individual files not
trees, they work more like CVS revision numbers than git commit hashes
do. The main question is, are they compatible with all of the VCS
operations used by the translation stuff (I think they are)?

https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-Internals-Git-Objects

The script converting all existing translation-check headers from CVS
revision numbers to git object hashes would also be more complicated,
since the cvs-revisions file produced by the git conversion contains
filenames, CVS revision IDs and corresponding git commits. So, we have
to run `git ls-tree` for each line in cvs-revisions to get the object
hashes to put into translation-check headers.

git ls-tree -zr 7c95dc979cd7184ec4f20b0dd37e73e001a22d4f
TRANSLATING.pages | cut -zf1 | cut -z -d' ' -f3

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Re: A translation error in Chinese (simplified) version on https://packages.debian.org/

[Paul Wise]

On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 9:46 PM, 朱家贝 wrote:

> There is a error on the package website page: The introduction of the item
> "游戏（Game）" is "这些程序装完以后可以用来消谴娱乐。", but"消谴" should be "消遣".

Thanks, could you discuss this with the Chinese translation team?

https://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-chinese/

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Re: Bug#845297: Migration to Salsa - reorganization of webmaster-team and repos

[Paul Wise]

On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 1:35 AM, Laura Arjona Reina wrote:

> After some interchange of ideas in #debian-www, looks like it's simpler
> not to have the webwml subgroup in Salsa. We can set members/permissions
> per repo, so we can put all the different git repos at the same level,
> as "direct children" of webmaster-team.

Good plan!

> If you have any comment or better suggestion, please tell.

Thanks for dealing with the migration, it is much appreciated.

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Re: Wrong contact page

[Paul Wise]

On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 2:47 AM, Paul van der Vlis wrote:

> I am on https://packages.debian.org/sid/gcc and when I press at the
> bottom of the page at the "contact pagina" (Dutch translation) I get an
> error-page, the link is to:

Thanks for the report, this looks specific to the Dutch translation.

I've fixed this in git, the website will be fixed when it is deployed.

> BTW: I don't read the debian-www mailingslist.

CCed you.

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Bug#845297: problem in the cvs -> git conversion: commit messages truncated

[Paul Wise]

On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 11:58 PM, Laura Arjona Reina wrote:

> For example looking at the commit message for
> 1adf8ff0d235a7f1c310fd9e4268981e80a10cab
> at the end it looks truncated:
> """
> portuguese/security/2003/dsa-231.wml: 1.1 -> 1.2
> portuguese/security/2003/dsa-233.wml: 1.1 -> 1.2
> portuguese/sec
> """

This looks like it is truncated in the part that we are adding to the
CVS commit messages, which contains CVS revision numbers.

> If it solves the problem, we can add this to the documentation for the
> final conversion "howto". (If you know better solution, just tell).

Feel free to drop the addition of CVS revision numbers to commit
messages if the patch does not fix the issue.

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Re: Bug#900421: improve "wiki account creation delayed" message

[Paul Wise]

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 3:41 AM, Brian Potkin wrote:

> I have no idea what stress the wiki is under from people who wish to
> degrade its usability. I also have no idea how hard it is to prevent
> this happening or how effective the measures in place succeed in
> preventing it.

Spammers are continually attempting to sign up in order to add spam to
the wiki, same as any website with commenting or editing via accounts.
Before the system that Steve implemented, we had to revert lots of
spam every day. Now we have no spam at all being added to the wiki.
The cost of the new system is email ownership verification,
confirmation of being a human trying to contribute to the wiki (for
"spammy" signups) and read access being banned for spammy IPs (we need
help with fixing this last one). We have had spammers actually try to
get around the system by emailing us and asking for an account
(usually not many, one today, lots in one day at one point) like other
folks do. Generally we pick up on those before giving them an account
though, but I have failed at that at least once before IIRC.

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Bug#900552: [PATCH-ish] Add privacy policy to the Debian website

[Paul Wise]

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Jonathan McDowell wrote:

> We need a privacy policy on our website, describing the personal data we
> hold for people and what we do with it. This has become pressing due to
> the EU GDPR, but is something we generally should have anyway. I've
> attached a start (in wml, which I hope is helpful, though it's basically
> HTML and I originally wrote it in Markdown).

This is a good start indeed.

Some things that might be improved:

Addition of retention information, especially for DebConf.

lists.d.o should mention that third-parties also publicly archive.

> One thing I couldn't figure out is /where/ this should live. It should
> definitely be linked from our front page. I thought under /legal/ might
> be a good place, but nothing else there is linked from the front page
> that I can see. I leave it to the wisdom of the web team to work out
> where might be best.

I would suggest it be linked from both the front page and the footer.

Ubuntu have it under /legal/ too:

https://www.ubuntu.com/legal/dataprivacy

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www-staging.debian.org setup

[Paul Wise]

Hi all,

I've fixed the old www-staging.debian.org vhost with a few commits to
the DSA puppet, domains and letsencrypt-domains git repos. This will
enable us to see the results of a build before pushing it out to the
mirror network, I guess this will be mostly useful for point releases.

https://www-staging.debian.org/

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Re: Build process for release notes

[Paul Wise]

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 8:50 PM, Baptiste Jammet wrote:

> Attached is a partially tested patch to cron/parts/7release-notes
> I used plain git, because the update could be more efficient.

The patch uses the webmaster-team cron git repo instead of the
release-notes repo.

Please test to make sure that the git calls you wrote are repeatable
and will not fail if run twice in a row.

> But maybe wget *.tar.gz is preferable?

I think that using the git repo is better as it saves a small amount
of bandwidth

If the release notes were available in the Debian archive, I think
downloading the package would be preferable.

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Bug#905204: Add support for reminding page authors to update content periodically

[Paul Wise]

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 9:17 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote:

> Add support for extra metadata (Category) to mark pages as needing
> checking/updating after a specified period (e.g. 3w, 6m, after a new
> major Debian release). Then we can add a script to walk the wiki page
> data periodically and mail people (the last page editor?) when pages
> are outdated.

We kind of have something similar with these pages:

https://wiki.debian.org/Year
https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ReleaseTeam/ReleaseCheckList
https://wiki.debian.org/SuitesAndReposExtension

Are there any particular pages you would like to add the Category to?

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Re: Broken links on manuals page

[Paul Wise]

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 4:57 PM, Otto Kekäläinen wrote:

> The links yield error 404.
>
> Please fix the links by removing the trailing .gz. The files are there
> but uncompressed .pdf and .txt.

This appears to have been fixed now, the FHS links are still broken though.

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Bug#905422: www.debian.org: Please update FHS (file hierachy standard) version referenced in /doc/devel-manuals#policy (v2.3 -> v3.0)

[Paul Wise]

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 7:43 PM, Boyuan Yang wrote:

> New Debian Policy has updated Debian's FHS version from v2.3 to v3.0. The
> corresponding FHS version under www.debian.org needs to be updated too.

Since it is plausible this could change again, it would be nice to not
hard-code the version number in the page but instead either remove the
version number from the FHS URLs or use some sort of wildcard
mechanism during page building.

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Bug#905393:

[Paul Wise]

On Sat, 4 Aug 2018 14:03:19 +0900 황병희 (soyeomul) wrote:

> Still somebody are there usenet/newsgroup via NNTP.

We got a clarification from soyeomul on #debian-www:

 To #905393, i did send feedback for days ago, really i like
usenet/newsgroups, i don't want to remove that.

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Bug#905393:

[Paul Wise]

On Fri, 2018-08-10 at 10:40 +0200, Thomas Lange wrote:

> OK, we have ONE person that still likes newsgroups.

Correction, one person that likes newsgroups, follows www.debian.org
bug reports and is up-to-date on their reading. The intersection of those sets 
of people is unlikely to be large.

> Can we remove the outdated newsgroups?

Seems reasonable to me but I'm unable to judge which should be removed.

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Re: bad link

[Paul Wise]

On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 2:59 AM, ilf wrote:

> On https://www.debian.org/distrib/archive there's a link to
> https://archive.debian.net/, which sais "Service disabled!" From the text
> this looks permanent, so maybe it would be wise to remove the link?

The service is in the process of being moved here:

https://historical.packages.debian.org/

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Re: Debian "Packages" web page confuses the terms "Sections" and "Components"

[Paul Wise]

On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 2:15 AM, Holger Wansing wrote:

> According to
> https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#archive-areas
> that would be "area".

According to the archive itself, they are components:

Components: main contrib non-free

http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/Release

I guess for space reasons, the Packages/Sources files combine the
component with the section:

Section: contrib/misc

http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/source/Sources.gz

OTOH, the repository format documentation says:

"Components: A whitespace separated list of areas."

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Format#Components

> But additionally to that, "area" is used erroneously at
> https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages for the definition of the
> distribution (like in "This area contains packages that are ..." when
> talking about Testing).

I think all our documentation is pretty confused about the terminology
used around repositories.

I think that "area" is a more understandable word than "component"
when the documentation is end-user oriented and that "component" could
be added (either via mouseover hover text or via text in parentheses)
depending on how new to Debian the audience is expected to be.

To make it worse, Ubuntu introduced a word "pocket" that isn't used by
Debian folks.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveAdministration

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Re: homepage not work

[Paul Wise]

On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 9:06 AM 孙天益 wrote:

> http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian/
> is down.

Thanks for reporting, it is back up now. The issue was an
incompatibility between Debian's Fastly setup and some changes to
Fastly's servers.

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Re: Debian Merchandise Unixstickers

[Paul Wise]

On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 5:51 AM Daniel Wolters wrote:

> I wanted to inform you, that the part about Unixstickers on the website
> (https://www.debian.org/misc/merchandise) is not up to date anymore.

Thanks for informing us.

> The old link sends now you straight to
> https://www.stickermule.com/unixstickers, where you can only buy
> stickersets, which have up to two debian stickers.
>
> Therefore the part "T-shirts, other clothing, badges" should not be on
> the website anymore. (I am not even sure, if it still qualifies as
> Debian merchandise.)

I've disabled the Unixstickers website and enabled Sticker Mule, the
changes should be online in a few hours.

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Re: search problem on historical.packages.debian.org ?

[Paul Wise]

On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 6:16 PM Holger Wansing wrote:
> Matija Nalis  wrote:
> > trying any search on https://historical.packages.debian.org/ produces error:
> Maybe only a temporary problem?

As far as I know, the setup for this service was never completed.

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Re: https://packages.debian.org/source/stretch/sendmail

[Paul Wise]

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 3:46 PM paolo panizza wrote:

> The requested URL /cgit/collab-maint/sendmail.git was not found on this 
> server.
> Apache Server at anonscm.debian.org Port 443

Packages in stable do not get their Vcs-* headers updated when they
change, please look at tracker.d.o to find the latest Vcs-* headers
from unstable:

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/sendmail

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Re: Documentation is inaccurate

[Paul Wise]

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 12:26 AM Filippo Rusconi wrote:

> when trying to connect to  irc.debian.org, the alias seems to not be followed,
> because the server is never connected to.

Could you explain what you mean by this?

> /server irc.debian.org

This works in pretty much every IRC client.

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Re: irc.debian.org server not responding to /connect command [ was Re: Documentation is inaccurate ]

[Paul Wise]

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 1:12 AM Filippo Rusconi wrote:

> This is what I tried in irssi.
> 17:41 -!- Irssi: Unknown command: server irc.debian.org

OK, so the docs need to be updated to support more IRC clients.

> So I try /connect irc.debian.org and that also fails differently:
>
> 7:43 -!- Irssi: Unable to connect server irc.debian.org port 6667 [Connection 
> timed out]

I don't have that problem here, instead I can connect immediately.

Does that happen every time you start irssi?

Both irc.oftc.net and irc.debian.org resolve to the same addresses.
So you should get the same connection results for each of them.

$ host irc.debian.org
irc.debian.org is an alias for irc.geo.oftc.net.
irc.geo.oftc.net has address 120.29.217.74
irc.geo.oftc.net has address 172.104.164.108
irc.geo.oftc.net has IPv6 address 2001:5a0:2200:301:120:29:217:74
irc.geo.oftc.net has IPv6 address 2400:8901::f03c:91ff:fe12:3a0f
$ host irc.oftc.net
irc.oftc.net is an alias for irc.geo.oftc.net.
irc.geo.oftc.net has address 120.29.217.74
irc.geo.oftc.net has address 172.104.164.108
irc.geo.oftc.net has IPv6 address 2001:5a0:2200:301:120:29:217:74
irc.geo.oftc.net has IPv6 address 2400:8901::f03c:91ff:fe12:3a0f

> There must be something I do not grasp here.

I expect you are experiencing a temporary network glitch.

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Re: irc.debian.org server not responding to /connect command [ was Re: Documentation is inaccurate ]

[Paul Wise]

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 9:25 AM Paul Wise wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 1:12 AM Filippo Rusconi wrote:
>
> > This is what I tried in irssi.
> > 17:41 -!- Irssi: Unknown command: server irc.debian.org
>
> OK, so the docs need to be updated to support more IRC clients.

I've added a mention of the /connect command:

https://salsa.debian.org/webmaster-team/webwml/commit/f73ce75d23a0e82cdfa42f01b98f5904430f58e9

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Re: Outdated Graph for How big the regular updates to the mirrors are

[Paul Wise]

On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 12:28 AM Martin Atukunda wrote:

> The Graph at the bottom of the page:
> https://www.debian.org/mirror/size
> is outdated. (https://ftp-master.debian.org/size-quarter.png)

Thanks for the report, this is already known but the ftp-master team
have not found time to fix it since it was reported in 2013:

https://bugs.debian.org/705693

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Re: Setting up a local wiki.debian.org copy

[Paul Wise]

On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 6:46 PM Birger Schacht wrote:

> i was trying to set up a local copy of the wiki.debian.org moinmoin
> wiki, but i'm missing some stylesheets. i followed more or less the
> guidelines in usr/doc/README (with some minor adjustments), but i when i
> acces the wiki on my local apache, i am lacking all the css files in the
> htdocs/debwiki folder. does anyone have an idea where i could find them?
> (yes, i could just download them from the live site, but there might be
> other stuff missing from that directory...)

Looks like they are available from here:

http://git.deb.at/
http://git.deb.at/w/deb/moinmoin.git

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Re: New cds purchased online

[Paul Wise]

On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 8:39 PM William Stewart wrote:

> Hi, I bought a bundle of linux cds from an online shop called South Hants 
> Computers

Do you have a link to this shop? Perhaps they should be added to our
list of CD/DVD vendors:

https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/

> They seem genuine tho as looks can be deceiving I wanted to check as I dont 
> want my system having a back door for cyber criminals.
> Is there a quick way for me to check some how or some instruction information 
> of how to.

The FAQ and verification page cover this. Please note that the
verification procedure for physical CDs is slightly different than for
ISO images.

https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify
https://www.debian.org/CD/verify

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Re: website language

[Paul Wise]

On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 12:45 PM praveen pj wrote:

> plz create malayalam website

Unfortunately Debian does not yet have a website translation team for
Malayalam, but if you would like to work on that, instructions for
starting one are on the website:

https://www.debian.org/international/

There is a mailing list about translation to Malayalam but it appears
to be inactive and the last mail was about the Debian installer rather
than the Debian website. I think that this mailing list would be a
good place to start if you want to find people to help revive
Malayalam translations in Debian.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-malayalam/

PS: you might be interested in joining the Debian India group:

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIndia
https://lists.debian.org/debian-dug-in/

PS: a group of Debian contributors are preparing a bid to hold the the
annual Debian conference in India in 2020:

https://wiki.debian.org/DebConf/20/Bids/India

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Bug#915365: historical.packages.debian.org: 404 for any page other than root

[Paul Wise]

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 11:54 AM Keian Rao wrote:

> historical.packages.debian.org does not [work].

This website has not yet been fully setup yet so it isn't surprising
that it is broken. It might be fixed eventually but I've no idea when
the folks responsible will have time.

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Bug#915392: devel/tech-ctte is outdated on the list of decided matters

[Paul Wise]

On Mon, 2018-12-03 at 10:18 -0500, Boyuan Yang wrote:

> FYI, I skimmed through debian-devel-announce between 2015 and 2018 and found 3
> new decisions. Changes already committed here:
> 
> https://salsa.debian.org/webmaster-team/webwml/commit/14e3f9fee45f3aae7d3e5af0cc3a376b69fc6fd8

I wonder if it would be a good idea to have the CTTE chair be
responsible for committing the decisions of the CTTE to the website?
This way we won't get into the situation where the info is outdated.

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Re: https://historical.packages.debian.org/

[Paul Wise]

On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 3:45 PM Stefano LOPOETA wrote:

> The requested URL /cgi-bin/dispatcher.fcgi/search was not found on this
> server.
> Apache Server at historical.packages.debian.org Port 443

This website has not yet been fully setup yet so it isn't surprising
that it is broken. It might be fixed eventually but I've no idea when
the folks responsible will have time.

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Re: Connectivity issues to http://snapshot.debian.org

[Paul Wise]

On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 11:12 PM Ido Goldbaum wrote:

> To: debian-www@lists.debian.org, listmas...@lists.debian.org

I think it would be best to contact this list instead:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-snapshot/

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Re: Unable to create account

[Paul Wise]

On Tue, 2018-12-18 at 07:29 +, shu...@everdata.com wrote:

> Thank you so much for your valuable response. Steve, I would like to
> convey that we are a web hosting company located in India

I've just whitelisted your email now so things should work OK if you
try to register again. Please let us know if you have any problems.

Please feel free to add your company to the Debian hosters page:

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting

Your company may also be interested in helping Debian using your
resources, if so, please take a look at these pages:

https://www.debian.org/donations
https://www.debian.org/partners/
https://debconf19.debconf.org/sponsors/become-a-sponsor/
https://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror
https://www.debian.org/CD/mirroring/
https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Videoteam/Archive

If any of your staff are interested to help Debian, there are many
technical and non-technical ways to help out:

https://www.debian.org/intro/help

There is a bid to have DebConf in India in 2020, you might like to
support the efforts towards that.

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIndia
https://wiki.debian.org/DebConf/20/Bids/India
https://wiki.debian.org/DebConf/20/Bids/India/Plans

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Re: La India termina hoy en Chicago sus presentaciones de 2018

[Paul Wise]

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 2:32 AM David Côté-Tremblay wrote:

> God dammit please stop sending spam in the debian mailing list for fucks sakes

It is unlikely that spammers will read your email, nor comply with
your request even if they did. I suggest ignoring spam in future.

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Re: Unable to create account

[Paul Wise]

On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 10:36 PM Wouter Verhelst wrote:

> Are you sure that's the right thing to do?

Definitely.

>They sounded like regular spammers to me...

Looking at RecentChanges they only made one change:

https://wiki.debian.org/RecentChanges?max_days=90
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting?action=diff&rev1=376&rev2=377

It doesn't look like spam to me given the context and the other entries.

Personally I think that this page needs to be completely rewritten
based on facts instead of marketing information and then moved to a
subsection of the "Getting Debian" page on the website, similar to how
we have third-party commercial consultants, CD vendors and
pre-installers on the website. I'm also not really happy that Debian
prioritises giant cloud providers like Amazon over smaller ones like
this company.

https://www.debian.org/distrib/
https://www.debian.org/consultants/
https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/
https://www.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed

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Re: historical.packages.debian.org broken

[Paul Wise]

On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 6:18 PM Michael Goth wrote:

> just wanted to let you know that searching or browsing the historical
> package archives at https://historical.packages.debian.org/ seems to be
> broken.

This website has not yet been fully setup yet so it isn't surprising
that it is broken. It might be fixed eventually but I've no idea when
the folks responsible will have time.

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Re: [PATCH] Some errors on the CZECH version of www.debian.org/intro/about

[Paul Wise]

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 1:24 AM Jakub Martisko wrote:

> there are some grammatical errors on the Czech version of the [1]. See
> [2] (in Czech) for reference. Patch with fixes (hopefully all) is attached.

I think that in general, non-English changes to the website should go
through the corresponding translation team. Looking at the website
history, it seems like the Czech translation is not being worked on
recently unfortunately. The last change by a translator was June 2017.
I see you have contacted debian-l10n-czech about this patch, would you
also mind contacting the Czech translation co-ordinators for the
website if you haven't already?

https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/b9b172d0-5df6-88b5-bf1a-7e027e44c...@fit.vutbr.cz
https://www.debian.org/devel/website/translation_coordinators
Czech: Miroslav Kure , Juraj Kubelka


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Re: https://historical.packages.debian.org/ not working

[Paul Wise]

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 5:39 AM Martin Lester wrote:

> The search on https://historical.packages.debian.org/ appears not to
> be working.

This website has not yet been fully setup yet so it isn't surprising
that it is broken. It might be fixed eventually but I've no idea when
the folks responsible will have time.

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Re: debian 29

[Paul Wise]

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 6:54 AM Xor Prime wrote:

> Hello, I write to you

In future, please contact Debian user support channels for help:

https://www.debian.org/support

> because I fed up to download and burn ISO images

I would suggest using USB sticks instead of burning DVDs, since they
are reusable.

> when will be ready the definitive version ???
> debian 9.8 must be the definitive version 

I'm not sure what you mean by "definitive version", perhaps you could
explain more.

The current version of Debian's stable release is 9.6. After you have
installed it, you will not need to reinstall when 9.7 or 9.8 comes
out, instead you simply upgrade the system using `apt update` `apt
upgrade` and `apt full-upgrade`.

https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-uptodate.en.html

> now debian are like Fedora or those kind of distributions ...
> I need to wait debian 29 ???

I'm not sure what you mean by this, but I would estimate that, at our
current rate of stable releases, it will take about 40 years before
Debian 29 is available.

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Re: Open source

[Paul Wise]

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 9:39 AM Carmella Bonomolo wrote:

> Do I apply for use of your product?

You do not need permission to use Debian nor do you need to pay money
to use Debian. More info about this is available on our website:

https://www.debian.org/intro/about
https://www.debian.org/intro/free

If you have any further questions please ask them on Debian user
support channels:

https://www.debian.org/support

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Re: READ. Your Mexico provider is a SCAMMER

[Paul Wise]

On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 8:09 AM Víctor Ernesto Rodriguez wrote:

> I checked your providers list for Mexico and you have listed "Werner Ernesto 
> Goedecke Rodriguez (ven...@wer.mx)". I purchased from him a CD-R with Debian 
> since December 5th 2018. I paid him shipping and its January 21st and i 
> haven´t got shit. Why you have SCAMMERS in your sellers list?  We even live 
> in the same city. I tried to contact him many times and he don´t answer.

I'm sorry you've had a bad experience with this vendor, we rely on
users to inform us of CD vendors acting inappropriately. I've disabled
this CD vendor, the website will be updated in the next rebuild.

BTW, if you have fast enough Internet it might be easier to download
Debian yourself and write the ISO image to a USB stick if you have one
(or CD/DVD if you do not).

https://www.debian.org/distrib/

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Re: @debian email

[Paul Wise]

On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 4:45 PM Ali Mohammadi wrote:

> I am using debian core (debian 8 and 9, ubuntu 16 and 18) user for more than 
> three years. Can I have a email with alimohamm...@debian.com adress?

There are no email addresses @debian.com and @debian.org addresses are
reserved for members of the Debian Project. If you would like to
become a Debian contributor (and later a member), there are lots of
ways to contribute, some of them are documented here. If you would
like further help finding an area of Debian to contribute to based on
your skills and interests, please contact the debian-mentors mailing
list or IRC channel.

https://www.debian.org/intro/help
https://wiki.debian.org/how-can-i-help
https://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/
https://webchat.oftc.net/?channels=debian-mentors
https://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers

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Re: Historical Packages 404 Site Error

[Paul Wise]

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 10:09 AM Christian Niemeyer
 wrote:

> The links on the site https://historical.packages.debian.org/

This website has not yet been fully setup yet so it isn't surprising
that it is broken. It might be fixed eventually but I've no idea when
the folks responsible will have time.

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Re: HTML4 --> HTML5

[Paul Wise]

On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 11:16 PM Voxely wrote:

> Bonjour, pour rendre le site web de Debian plus accessible aux développeurs, 
> je souhaite refaire les pages du site web en HTML5, c'est possible ?
> Merci :)

Do you have some examples of what changes you would make, where the
changes would be made and what the effect of the changes would be?

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Re: Broken links on Debian website

[Paul Wise]

On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 9:42 AM Martin van den Nieuwelaar wrote:

> I found via Google the page https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/allpackages

Wheezy is unsupported, so that page should no longer work. I guess
that is a bug in the packages website update system.

> but if I click on any of the package links (say tntnet which links to
> https://package.debian.org/wheezy/tntnet)

That page correctly doesn't work, since wheezy is unsupported.

> I'm trying to find a source for Debian packages for a legacy ARM Wheezy
> system FWIW.

We suggest that you upgrade to Debian stretch, since that is security
supported, but if that isn't feasible, you can put the archive site in
your apt sources lists and use that. If you are looking for a package
that isn't available on the archive site, it will probably be
available on the snapshot site.

http://archive.debian.org/debian/
https://snapshot.debian.org/

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Re: Verbesserungsvorschlag

[Paul Wise]

On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 4:30 AM Marc Schroeder wrote:

> auf der Seite https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ sollte der Befehl 
> "echo deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch-backports main >> 
> /etc/apt/sources.list" direkt angezeigt werden, da der o.g. Befehl von vielen 
> Entwicklern zum einrichten der Backports genutzt wird.

Please discuss this on the debian-backports mailing list:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-backports/

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Re: Ailoth links need updated

[Paul Wise]

On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 7:12 AM Kathryn Tolsen wrote:

> It has come to my attention that all throughout our websites there are a 
> number of remaining links to ailoth and ailoth mailing lists for example the 
> packages.debian.org page for aptitude points to both an ailoth homepage and 
> mailing list. The wiki entries any of us could fix, but these other pages not 
> so much. We need to make some effort to update ailoth links with salsa or 
> other appropriate links. Let me know if I can help somehow.

For individual packages, the maintainers will update the URLs when
they get around to moving from alioth to salsa or other locations. For
packages that are orphaned, anyone can move the packages and do QA
uploads updating the URLs. Of course packages in oldstable/stable
suites are unlikely to get updated just for the URL changes.

https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/ch05.en.html#nmu-qa-upload
https://mentors.debian.net/sponsors/rfs-howto
https://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers

For the website, there are contribution instructions here:

https://www.debian.org/devel/website/
https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Webmaster

For the wiki, everyone can of course update URLs that have a new
location somewhere else.

For other services, the services census indicates how to contribute to
most of them:

https://wiki.debian.org/Services

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Re: events/material and events/materialS / Re: Broken link - Debian Flyers

[Paul Wise]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 12:45 AM Joost van Baal-Ilić wrote:

> (I should ask my friend for his sources for the 'apt install anarchism' 
> shirt, too)

IIRC there are two designs for this, the original is from Riseup:

https://we.riseup.net/debian/install-anarchism

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Re: Stickers

[Paul Wise]

On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 5:57 AM tretha yug wrote:

> Would it be possible to send out some promotional  stuff such as stickers, 
> caps, shirts, etc.

As Debian is not a company, we do not produce merchandise and instead
rely on our merchandise partners for that. Currently none of our
merchandise partners distribute merchandise for free, they only sell
merchandise.

https://www.debian.org/misc/merchandise
https://wiki.debian.org/Merchandise

PS: the next Debian related event in India will be in Delhi in a few days:

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEvents/DebUtsavDelhi2019

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Re: Information about vendors of Debian installation media

[Paul Wise]

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 10:03 AM Mahfuzur Rahman wrote:

> I want to know whether the installation media from these vendors are virus or 
> malware free? I want to build a virus free, secure system. I tried search 
> online to find any review for these vendors, there are any. Thus, I am 
> writing this email.

The best way to ensure that you are using genuine Debian installers is
to download the ISO images yourself, verify them and write them to
your installation media. If you already have some installation media
the FAQ documents how to verify that they are unmodified.

https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify
https://www.debian.org/CD/verify

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Re: Problem: Can't install an Open Office on Debian 9.8

[Paul Wise]

On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 1:30 AM Patrick Dreier wrote:

> I can't install an Open Office on Debian 9.8 on

In addition to the answers you already got:

Your question should be asked on Debian support channels instead of debian-www:

https://www.debian.org/support

OpenOffice is not well maintained and contains some unfixed security
issues so I think it would be a bad idea to install it.

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