Bug#1012174: Inconsistent advice wrt security archive

[David Prévot]

Package: www.debian.org,release-notes
Severity: normal
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Hi teams,

The [errata] advises one to use 

  deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main contrib 
non-free

while the [release-notes] advises

  deb https://deb.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main contrib

Even if both will have the same result (the last time a non-free package
was uploaded to the security archive may have been during Etch), having
two different official advice makes it difficult in some situation
(“what should we actually use?”). Is the use of HTTPS via deb.d.o
preferable over HTTP via security.d.o? If so maybe the errata should be
updated, if it’s the other way around, the realease-notes should be
updated.

  errata: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/errata#security
  release-notes: 
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information#security-archive

Regards

David


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Re: New country: Cyprus

[David Prévot]

Hi,

Le 05/05/2014 14:41, Holger Wansing a écrit :

> Ok for me to commit the patch below?
> (I'm unsure if something special is needed for the "template" directory.)

Not needed: country names and their translations are handled via
isoquery now. This file in templates is only needed for the mirrors
where we haven’t yet been able get rid of that part (help welcome).

Regards

David





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Bug#723069: [www.debian.org] /misc/children-distros: broken link to Impi Linux

[David Prévot]

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Hi,

Le 12/05/2014 15:58, Holger Wansing a écrit :

> I would volunteer for merging that information in 
> https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Census
> and dropping the content from www.debian.org, simply placing a link to the
> wiki.
> 
> That would lose the 8 translated versions
[…]
> Would that be an improvement?

I don’t think so (quite the contrary to be honest).

Regards

David


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Re: Making Debian users more visible

[David Prévot]

Hi,

Le 19/07/2014 20:12, Paul Wise a écrit :
> On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 11:52 PM, Sevabot wrote:
> 
>> Below is a broken links report for debian.org/users.

> Hmm, I wonder why urlcheck isn't flagging these links?

Because it dies soon (and does for ages):

tail -n11 /srv/www.debian.org/cron/urlcheck/logs/web.20140719.users
Looking into http://www.debian.org/users/edu/ciid-politicas-unam
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./urlcheck.py", line 259, in 
do_page(url)
  File "./urlcheck.py", line 43, in do_page
check_url(url)
  File "./urlcheck.py", line 88, in check_url
msg = check_http(url, parts)
  File "./urlcheck.py", line 158, in check_http
msg = " : IOError: " + arg.args[0]
TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'int' objects

I’m lost in Python, so not much I can actually do here, but if someone
is interested into fixing that (or provide an alternative as discussed
almost two years ago [1]), please, go for it.

 1: 

Regards

David





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Re: Wrong behavior of language-change bar on stats webpages for Debian website

[David Prévot]

Hi,

Le 17/07/2014 05:12, Lev Lamberov a écrit :

> on English stats webpages for Debian website other available languages are
> not shown. Also on corresponding translated webpages available translations
> are shown incorrectly.

Right. Some time ago (Wednesday March 09 2011), on #debian-www:

14:16 < taffit> Arg, forgot to handle the language footer in translated
stats :/

Since those pages are mostly of translators use, they should see it on
their own language anyway, and those people may know they simply can add
a few letters to an URL (e.g. “.it“ for Italian) to see a content in
another language.

> So, it makes translation of stats.pot and
> puting a Makefile into devel/website/stats simply useless.

“useless” seems pretty strong, are you missing
 maybe?

> I'm not sure what the problem is, so I cannot fix it, sorry.

The WML files in english/devel/website/stats/ are generated by
webwml/stattrans.pl. Since there is no corresponding WML files in
$otherlanguage/devel/website/stats/, the usual code in
english/template/debian/languages.wml doesn’t work fit. It would be nice
if someone would be willing to fix that, I guess, but it’s not very high
on my own TODO list (as stated by the quantity of time since I noticed it).

Regards

David





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Re: Making Debian users more visible

[David Prévot]

Hi,

Le 20/07/2014 13:12, Stéphane Blondon a écrit :

> You can do a quick fix by modifying the line 158 of file urlcheck.py":

Thanks Stéphane, [urlcheck] looks a lot more useful now.

$urlcheck: http://www-master.debian.org/build-logs/urlcheck/

Regards

David





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Re: direct link to sources from "How www.d.o is made" page

[David Prévot]

Hi,

Le 10/08/2014 11:23, Tomas Pospisek a écrit :

> the proposed change below is quite trivial, but I think very helpful.

>> -  the bulk of it is generated using WML, from the 'webwml' CVS tree
>> +  the bulk of it is generated using WML, from the
>> +  https://alioth.debian.org/projects/webwml/";>'webwml' CVS 
>> tree

Given how volatile alioth URLs are, I’m not sure pointing to them in
many pages would really be an improvement. Maybe pointing to the related
page inside the www.d.o tree could worth it (but I didn’t actually look
at the page to make up my mind about it).

>> If you will apply this patch, then I'll try to port it to all the other
>> translations.

That would be useful if considered, thanks.

>> PS: does the web maintainers prefer to have bugs filled against
>> debian-www or to have proposed changes posted here on the ML?

Bugs are the best way to not forget stuff and to tag them appropriately.

Regards

David






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Bug#757857: direct link to sources from "How www.d.o is made" page

[David Prévot]

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Hi,

[ keeping extra context for the bug report ]

Le 11/08/2014 16:59, Tomas Pospisek a écrit :
> Am 10.08.2014 18:26, schrieb David Prévot:
>> Le 10/08/2014 11:23, Tomas Pospisek a écrit :
>>
>>> the proposed change below is quite trivial, but I think very helpful.
>>
>>>> -  the bulk of it is generated using WML, from the 'webwml' CVS tree
>>>> +  the bulk of it is generated using WML, from the
>>>> +  https://alioth.debian.org/projects/webwml/";>'webwml' CVS 
>>>> tree
>>
>> Given how volatile alioth URLs are, I’m not sure pointing to them in
>> many pages would really be an improvement.
> 
> According to the wayback machine, that specific URL has been stable
> since 2003, 11 years, which makes it an exceptionally stable URL, don't
> you agree?

Many URLs change on Alioth without pre- or post- announce, some keep
backward compatibility, some not, and backward compatibility gets
dropped randomly, that’s why I’d prefer not to spread Alioth URLs in
many places if that can be avoided.

> But even if it were changing from time to time, then why not just update
> the URL then?

That’s extra work: why not concentrating them in one place (where
they’re already available)?

>> Maybe pointing to the related page inside the www.d.o tree could worth it 
>> (but I didn’t actually look
>> at the page to make up my mind about it).
> 
> What "page inside the www.d.o tree" are you referring to? I don't
> understand.

Sorry, I meant specifically:
- - https://www.debian.org/devel/website/using_cvs for webwml;
- - https://www.debian.org/doc/cvs for the DDP.

Those pages give more information about the VCSes, how to use them, and
how to contribute to these projects than the Alioth URLs will ever give.

Regards

David


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Bug#757857: direct link to sources from "How www.d.o is made" page

[David Prévot]

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Hi,

Le 12/08/2014 08:53, Tomas Pospisek a écrit :

> +  https://www.debian.org/devel/website/using_cvs";>'webwml'
[…]
> +  https://www.debian.org/doc/cvs";>'ddp' Subversion

Please, use $(HOME) (or $(DEVEL) and $(DOC)) instead of hardcoded URLs.
That doesn’t seem documented, but you’ll find many example of how to use
them in the sources.

While you’re at it, can you please change those ugly quotes into proper
 tags[0]?

0: https://www.debian.org/devel/website/htmlediting#citations

> Can you apply that?

Once the URLs are following the current usage and the translations are
provided, sure.

Regards

David


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Re: Bad link on Debian Installer-dev page

[David Prévot]

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Hi,

Thanks for your interest in the Debian web site.

Le 04/08/2014 19:21, Will Brokenbourgh a écrit :

> On the Debian Installer-dev page:
> https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
> 
> there is a link to 'known issues':
> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today
> 
> however this link is bad.  The context of the link is:
> 
> "
>  Notes
> 
> * Before you download the daily built images, we suggest you check
> for known issues.

CCing debian-boot in charge of this section (as documented in the bottom
of the page). Cyril (currently handling d-i) proposed to comment out
this advice until a proper information is available (there is work in
progress in that regard). That’s done, so the bad URL will disappear in
a few hours.

Regards

David

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Bug#634995: www.debian.org: please add a link to the Debian Constitution in the front page

[David Prévot]

Hi,

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 05:02:54PM +0200, Luca Capello wrote:

> I could not find a link to the Debian Constitution [1] in the front
> page.
[…]
> IMHO given the importance of this document, especially WRT to money
> Debian owns (actually, it does not as per §9 [4], see also #634986 [5]),
> we should give it more visibility.

On the contrary, given this document is really technical and related to
the project’s internals, adding it to the mainpage, mainly targeted to
the widest audience, seems like a bad idea to me.

I thus believe that advertising such document in the devel page is
enough for its purpose, and propose to close this bug as wontfix.

> [1] 
[…]
> [4] 
> [5] 

Regards

David


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Re: about the styling maint-guide

[David Prévot]

Hi Stéphane,

Le 30/08/2014 17:49, Stéphane Blondon a écrit :

> Is it still possible to integrate the CSS for the website? For
> example, by adding a new target in the Makefile.

Why not directly in the main CSS used in the package so everybody can
enjoy it? Anyway, we really should stop building the DDP from scratch om
www-master and offer on www.d.o the documentation extracted from
packages, as already done with (not enough) pieces.

Regards

David





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Re: about the styling maint-guide

[David Prévot]

[ Explicit CC to Osamu ]

Hi Stéphane,

Le 31/08/2014 02:29, Stéphane Blondon a écrit :
> 2014-08-30 21:40 GMT-07:00 David Prévot :
>> Le 30/08/2014 17:49, Stéphane Blondon a écrit :
>>
>>> Is it still possible to integrate the CSS for the website? For
>>> example, by adding a new target in the Makefile.
>>
>> Why not directly in the main CSS used in the package so everybody can
>> enjoy it?
> 
> I agree it would be a better solution but I have to find a solution
> that someone will agree to commit into the repository.

Well, the best is probably to discuss with Osamu who maintains this
package (and follows the debian-www list IIRC, so I guess he may have
all the needed context, but CCing him anyway to draw his attention). A
patch via the BTS may do the trick too (and if you’re willing to push
more style into the DDP once this PoC will be accepted, we’ll certainly
be happy to give you commit access so you can continue your work there
directly ;)

Regards

David





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Re: Bug#760523: Broken link on Debian Jr. Page

[David Prévot]

Hi Tomas,

Le 04/09/2014 19:53, Tomas Pospisek a écrit :
> I'm attaching a patch to remove the linuxforkids link from the debian-jr
> page.

Thanks, but it looks like you forgot to bump the translation-check (the
smart_changes.pl script may help for that).

Regrads

David





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Re: Fwd: Validation failed

[David Prévot]

[ Explicitly adding the author of the original page in case he’s not
  subscribed, and the press team in charge of this section. ]

Neil, you’ve been pointed multiple times to the issue on IRC, and have
been pointed to a one-liner fix already more than once, can you please
fix it now (and please, do take care of translations)? It’s been almost
a week…

Le 06/09/2014 14:55, Lev Lamberov a écrit :
> Hello,
> 
> russian l10n team receives the forwarding message, but, as I can see, this
> translation (russian translation of News/2014/20140831.wml) has no tag-wise
> difference with english original. Also, I've noticed that english original
> and all other translations was build succesfully, that is one can reach the
> corresponding page with explicit https://www.debian.org/News/2014/20140831,
> but there's still no link to that news entry from the main page.
> 
> Cheers!
> Lev Lamberov
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Debian Webmaster 
> Date: 2014-09-06 19:00 GMT+02:00
> Subject: Validation failed
> To: Yuri Kozlov 
> 
> 
> *** Errors validating /srv/www.debian.org/www/News/2014/20140831.ru.html:
> ***
> Line 50, character 25:  element "RELEASE_DATE" undefined
> Line 50, character 34:  end tag for "RELEASE_DATE" omitted, but its
> declaration does not permit this
> 
> --
>  You received this mail for the language code ru.
>  Please edit webwml/english/devel/website/validation.data if this is not
> accurate
>  Please also update webwml/english/devel/website/ with the new
> coordinator(s) data
> 
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Bug#757943: please review

[David Prévot]

Hi,

Le 06/09/2014 16:59, Tomas Pospisek a écrit :

> could you please review/comment on the proposed patch in
> 
>   http://bugs.debian.org/757943

Please give some context next time you’re referring to a bug (one may
not have full network access when reading or replying to a mail. Lucky
me, I’ve the recent archive of the list locally available).

Note: it’s about the documentation of $(SITE) and alike WML variables.

> Is it needed and helpful? Is it useless? Is it missing something? Should
> it somehow be improved? Can or should it be applied as is?

NACK: it uselessly points to alioth URLs, doesn’t explain what it does
(which should make clear we prefer local link instead on external ones)
and mixes http with https (which I assume should be preferred, even if
no actual communication was made around it to at least present its
benefit AFAICT). Yet, htmlediting.wml seems a good place for it (IIRC
the WML page is more technical).

I should try and propose another wording when I’ve time to do so, thanks
Tomas for trying anyway (and apologies for not replying sooner: I’ve
delayed to be able to be more positive, but didn’t yet took the time for
it, sorry)!

Regards

David



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Re: Keeping your Debian system secure =>why non-free

[David Prévot]

Hi,

Le 10/09/2014 16:02, Yves-Alexis Perez a écrit :
> On mer., 2014-09-10 at 21:40 +0200, Max Mustermann wrote:


>> deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
>>
> I think that's just a typo, since there's no security support for
> contrib and non-free anyway.

Never, or not anymore, or…?

Probably not “never” according to:
   http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/contrib/m/mahara/
or http://archive.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/

> I'm adding debian-www (contact point for all web pages) to CC: so they
> can get a look.

This section is handled by the security team (people in the team have
commit access), but if they feel the need to let someone else fix stuff
on their behalf, they’re welcome to provide explicit guidance of what is
to fix, and how.

Regards

David



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Re: Making Debian users more visible

[David Prévot]

Hi,

Le 12/09/2014 10:47, Kåre Thor Olsen a écrit :

> If the people who did the previous audits have any tips or ideas, please let 
> us know.

I assume you already found the documentation of the last workflow used a
few years ago (starting with the “Keeping data up to date” section of
webwml/english/users/README that should point to the related ping.pl
script and ping.data status. Feel free to keep me in the loop if you
have more specific questions (keeping debian-www in CC will do the
trick). There has been a thread on debian-www gathering feedback and
idea when we last initiate this process, I suppose you already reread it
too.

Regards

David



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Re: Making Debian users more visible

[David Prévot]

Hi,

Le 15/09/2014 11:18, Donald Norwood a écrit :
> On 09/12/2014 01:09 PM, David Prévot wrote:

>>   There has been a thread on debian-www gathering feedback and
>> idea when we last initiate this process, I suppose you already reread it
>> too.
> Are you referring to the wiki thread that started this discussion?

I meant the “Who's *still* or *not* using Debian?” thread from three
years ago, which continued untill January 2012.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2011/09/msg00114.html

Regards

David



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Re: Bug#763005: installation-guide-amd64: website for wheezy leads to jessie installation guide

[David Prévot]

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Hi,

Le 28/09/2014 16:54, Cyril Brulebois a écrit :
> Samuel Thibault  (2014-09-28):
>> Ross Boylan, le Fri 26 Sep 2014 18:23:19 -0700, a écrit :
>>> On http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual […]
>>> it is the installation guide for Debian 8, jessie.

>> so I guess somebody fixed it early this morning?
> 
> Seen on #-www:
>   04:46:21 [ KGB-0] David Prévot master c8148ab cron 
> lessoften-parts/1installation-guide The latest installation-guide upload 
> wasn’t about Wheezy
> 
> which might explain.

Right. There is currently nothing magic to handle what release the
installation-guide is targeted to, so webmaster@d.o has to update one
cron script to install it where it belongs when the release changes. If
there is an in-advance notice before the upload, that’s smooth. If not,
one has to dig in, and fix the stuff that had been broken (of course, it
takes more time if nobody sends a notice at all).

The Jessie manual should be rebuilt and available tomorrow where it belongs.

Feel free to send patches to avoid the manual handling that has to be
done every two years, and as such, is well expected to be often forgotten:

http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/debwww/cron.git/tree/lessoften-parts/1installation-guide

(And yes CVS-haters, this one is on Git ;-).

Regards

David
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Bug#681501: Debian France on Debian's new donations page?

[David Prévot]

Hi,

Le 09/10/2014 07:33, Paul Wise a écrit :
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Neil McGovern wrote:

>> Patch attached, I'll commit this later if there's no objections.


> I believe Brian wanted a form not a link for PayPal.

Last time I’ve seen a discussion about this service, there was quite
some push back from project members (and it was only on DebConf-Team,
not sure the subject has even been raised on debian-project).

I disagree that it would be a good thing if Debian publicly endorsed
such a service. As already pointed by a previous DPL, Debian sets an
example in the FOSS world, and given the concerns about this service,
such addition shouldn’t be taken lightly (or even at all).

Regards

David

P.-S.: Just to be clear, the concern is about a direct link from the
official Debian website. What the TOs do is there business, at least as
long as there is no condition about it from Debian.



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Bug#681501: Debian France on Debian's new donations page?

[David Prévot]

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Hi,

Le 09/10/2014 11:37, Paul Wise a écrit :

> Could you summarise the concerns for those of us not on debconf-team?

I don’t intent to spent any time in advocating such service, but let me
at least cite a few ones. I apologize in advance to their authors if
they feel like the citation is seen out of context, msgid given so the
original message can be retrieved (there is a web archive, but it’s not
on debian.org machines. I find this web archive painful to browse,
thanks in advance if someone is able to provide an URL).

<401c84a45a25c4bb7fc5860bcc507...@www.morayallan.com>
Le 31/03/2013 12:01, Moray Allan a écrit :

> I try to avoid using Paypal myself for reasons unrelated to their
> fees,

<51599453.4040...@fifthhorseman.net>
Le 01/04/2013 10:06, Daniel Kahn Gillmor a écrit :

> i used to have a paypal account.   Then, they changed their terms of
> service, and told me that i'd need to review and agree to their new
> terms of service for me to continue having an account.  I did not manage
> to make the time to do a proper review of their complex legal document
> before their deadline, so they suspended my account.  I have not felt
> the compulsion to wade through that sort of thing since then, so i don't
> have such an account any more.
> 
> I wonder how many people have actually reviewed and agreed to the terms
> of service offered by paypal, compared to how many people have just
> "agreed" to their ToS.  I suspect the ratio is very small.  I don't
> think we do anyone any favors by further encouraging this sort of
> widespread ignorant "opt-in" to what seems likely to be a one-sided and
> arbitrary legal instrument.

<87hajrb7wo@poker.hands.com>
Le 31/03/2013 17:01, Philip Hands a écrit :

> PayPal seem to freeze accounts on pretty dubious grounds,
> so I wouldn't necessarily trust them more.


Anyway, if we were to endorse such service, I believe
debian-project@l.d.o would be the right place to have this conversation,
not a two-year long wishlist bug report log against www.debian.org.

Le 09/10/2014 14:05, Brian Gupta a écrit :

> Please note […] pretty much every other
> like-minded organization accepts Paypal

The fact that other FOSS organizations are accepting such service is
really not a valid reason to waive this discussion (it would be like
pointing at other FOSS organizations that are advocating some licenses,
so Debian should accept them).

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:37 PM, Paul Wise wrote:

> BTW, the page already mentions it is possible to donate to SPI via
> PayPal.

Maybe should that be fixed in the mean time.

Regards

David
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Re: Maintaining of CD.vendors list

[David Prévot]

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[ Not seeing this message on debian-www@ yet, maybe it’s just me. ]

Le 10/10/2014 13:26, Holger Wansing a écrit :

> And also, someone should set up the necessary things, so that you get
> mail, when people are submitting a request via
> https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/adding-form.

If someone wishes it, webmasters will be happy to add anyone to
cdvendors@d.o recipients, and hand the (at least) two-year old backlog
to allow one not to be bored too soon, just say the word…

Regards

David
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Re: Maintaining of CD.vendors list

[David Prévot]

Hi Alexandre,

Le 11/10/2014 00:17, Alexandre Delanoë a écrit :

>> And also, someone should set up the necessary things, so that you get
>> mail, when people are submitting a request via
>> https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/adding-form.

> Yes it could be usefull.

Just added you to cdvendors recipient, and sent you last two years of
mail archive.

Regards

David



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Re: Outdated: https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/nl

[David Prévot]

> On 31-10-14 09:48, Paul Gevers wrote:

>> https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/nl […] seemed to
>> be updated every three days or so. However, the current page is from the
>> 10th of October. Is there some cron failing?

Yes: https://lists.debian.org/debian-i18n/2014/10/msg6.html
Just fixed: https://lists.debian.org/

Regards

David



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Bug#739280: (no subject)

[David Prévot]

Control: reassign -1 ftp.debian.org
Control: forcemerge 490848 -1

Le 03/11/2014 16:16, Tomas Pospisek a écrit :
> Andreas Schwarz wrote:
> 
>> on https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/file the links "Debian
>> Changelog" / "Copyright File" results in 404

> The two first links work now,

After a point release, that was expected.

Regards

David



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Re: Bug#681501: Debian France on Debian's new donations page?

[David Prévot]

Hi,

Le 09/10/2014 19:41, Paul Wise a écrit :
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 2:45 AM, David Prévot wrote:

>> Anyway, if we were to endorse such service, I believe
>> debian-project@l.d.o would be the right place to have this conversation,
>> not a two-year long wishlist bug report log against www.debian.org.
> 
> I agree.
> 
> Brian, could you start the discussion on debian-project about

It’s been a month without further action AFAICT.

>> Maybe should that be fixed in the mean time.
> 
> I replaced PayPal with "other methods" on the page, hope that is OK.

Thanks, but another bigger mention was added a few days latter to the
same page, as a follow up to the bug report where these concerns were
raised. Neil, was it just an overlook?

Regards

David



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Re: Date formats on debian.org

[David Prévot]

Hi,

Le 14/11/2014 17:30, Tobias Conradi a écrit :
> Proposal
> Change date in sections News and Security to -MM-DD.
> 
> Change date-time to -MM-DD hh:mm:ss UTC.

I prefer http://xkcd.com/1179/ as a rationale.

Regards

David



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Re: donations and paypal

[David Prévot]

Hi,

Le 16/11/2014 15:23, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit :
> (resending to -www@, #681501 is now archived)

Resending to project, and setting follow-up-to accordingly: this is
about the public image of the project, it’s not limited to the point of
view and opinions of the people currently behind the website IMHO.

> I was asked to look into the question of whether (and how) we should
> list Paypal on https://www.debian.org/donations.
> 
> I've gone through various discussions about Paypal, including the one on
> debconf-team
> (http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20141010.131258.9c56bd7d.en.html).
> 
> I agree that Paypal is far from a perfect service, for several reasons.
> We should clearly continue to offer alternative options for donations.
> 
> However, I don't think that the known problems with Paypal are bad
> enough to surpass the the benefits of accepting donations via Paypal.
> Also, TTBOMK, the problems with Paypal are unrelated to Debian's main
> goals: for example, it doesn't require the use of proprietary software
> (even javascript). Paypal has also been used successfully already by
> Debian, e.g. for the OPW fundraising efforts.
> 
> So I think that Paypal should be listed similarly to other donations:
> - not hidden in an 'other' section but listed directly similarly to Click
>   & Pledge;
> - provided with a form, not just a link, if auditors decide it's
>   suitable and useful;
> - if auditors decide it is useful, listed at the top of the page for
>   donations in Euros, if we can't find a better alternative.
> 
> Of course, as a good practice, Paypal should not be used for long-term
> storage of Debian funds. This would limit problems in case of freeze
> of our accounts.
> 
> If one can find a good, factual document that explains the various
> concerns about Paypal, it could be mentioned (in a footnote, for
> example). There's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PayPal#Criticism, but
> it's mostly focused on the problem of automated freezings of accounts.
> However, it should be mentioned as an informational message that some
> people have expressed concerns about Paypal, not as a message that
> Debian discourages the use of Paypal.
> 
> As I know that some members of the www team have strong opinions about
> this topic, I'd like to clarify that I am not asking them to implement
> those changes themselves.  However, I am asking them to not reject a
> suitable patch, and to not revert a change that would implement this.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Lucas

Regards

David



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Re: About adding a new forum in the support page

[David Prévot]

Hi,

CCing trademark@d.o as per the Debian trademarks page [0].

Le 18/05/2016 à 13:13, Baptiste Jammet a écrit :

> I have a question about the "policy" to add a new link […]

> Someone ask on l10n-french[1] to add a new forum in addition to
> debian-fr.org & debian-facile.org already mentionned (only in the french
> version [2]).
> I am OK to add this particular link [3]

According to the Debian trademarks page [0], in the “When You Can NEVER
Use the Debian Trademarks Without Asking Permission” part: “You cannot
use Debian trademarks in a domain name, with or without commercial intent.”

I’m not sure that having existing trademarks infringements – not yet
dealt with TTBOMK – in this page is a good enough excuse to add a new
one, maybe trademark@d.o will know better.

> [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-french/2016/04/msg00121.html
> In short & frenglish : debian-fr.org has changed its software backend,
> and debian-fr.xyz has been set up to use the same legacy software
> (phpBB) and want to be the continuation of the old forum.
> 
> [2] https://www.debian.org/support.fr.html#web 
> [3] https://www.debian-fr.xyz/

0: https://www.debian.org/trademark

Regards

David



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Re: migration of www-master.debian.org to stretch; issue when building the release notes

[David Prévot]

Hi,

Le 15/09/2017 à 08:59, Holger Wansing a écrit :

> Since the problem is with pdf variants for Squeeze (!), disabling the 
> pdf variants for those release-notes would be a way to work around this 
> problem? Squeeze is old for ages, so missing pdfs should be no problem there.

Disabling the (whole) build (but keeping the PDF around) of old version
is something we already did in the past (for the same reason…).

> (PS: Is this really correct, that release-notes are still build for those old
> releases on-the-fly? I would have thought that those documents are extracted
> from the relevant existing packages, here: release-notes in squeeze.
> Maybe I am missing something ... )

I guess you’re actually missing the package ;).

Regards

David



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CN issue with German developers-reference (Was: Bug#623489: developers-reference: [INTL:de] initial German translation)

[David Prévot]

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[ moving away the discussion from #623489 to debian-www ]

Hi,

Le 22/04/2011 10:52, Chris Leick a écrit :
>> Chris Leick a écrit :
>>
>>> When I'm opening this page,
> [...] http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/.

>>> I can see the content in german, but all
>>> links redirect to the english page. My browser settings are correct
>>> (de-de, de, fr-fr, fr, en-us. en)

> Avec français, ca marche bien (içi aussi).
> 
> But German doesn't work.

Right, after changing my configuration, I can reproduce your problem: it
seems that *.html pages are not handle correctly for German while they
are in French:

http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/scope.html

doesn't offer

http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/scope.de.html

when the browser is configured for German while it offers correctly

http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/scope.fr.html

when configured in French.

Gerfried, Martin, any idea about the reason (and any hint for the fix)?

Regards

David

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Re: CN issue with German developers-reference

[David Prévot]

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Le 22/04/2011 13:19, victory a écrit :

> content-negitiation does NOT remove extensions, just add :-)
>  so this can occur if scope.html.fr is there and scope.html.de isn't.

Ho right, I forgot the cron/parts/7doc_manuals workaround, should be
working after the next rebuild in a few hours.

Thanks

David

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Re: Bug#505254: www.debian.org: Ability to sort RFP/ITP pages by age

[David Prévot]

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Le 22/04/2011 10:20, Justin B Rye a écrit :
> David Prévot wrote:
>> Actually I intended to keep the first form too (and use the second form
>> if and only if the number of day in preparation is at least two and the
>> number of day in activity is different):
>>>> - , in preparation since today.
>>>> - , in preparation since yesterday.
> 
> Oh, well, I suppose as long as the readers are looking for information
> instead of borderline-arguable nits to pick it'll be fine...

Sure, the main goal is to have the ability to spot if WNPP are being
worked on. If the bug has been reported yesterday, and someone updated
it today, we can claim without hurting anyone (in a page that claims to
be updated daily) that it is worked on since yesterday without further
notice. The interesting part is to be able to spot that someone did
update a bug report two weeks ago, even if the bug has initially been
reported five years ago.

> as long
> as your algorithm never gets confused by timezones and starts claiming
> "since tomorrow".

;-). “tomorrow” is not part of the usable strings, and people took care
before me to provide a reliable way to count those days, I didn't
reinvent the wheel here.

>> I may push a link on *organized by age*
>> and *organized by activity* instead of offering many lines:
>>
>> - - %s packages being worked on, organized by age or organized by activity
> 
> Or
>   - - %s packages being worked on, organized [by age] or [by activity]

Indeed better, thanks

Regards

David

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Re: FYI & RFC: bug categorising

[David Prévot]

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[ Just made aware of this “old” thread via IRC, thanks ]

Le 12/12/2009 16:20, Simon Paillard a écrit :
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 04:25:37PM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote:
>> Today I fiddled around a bit with the BTS, and this is what I managed:
>> 
> [..] 
>> bts user www.debian@packages.debian.org . usertag 1234 + packages
> [..]
>>  I haven't enabled this view as default because I'm not too sure what
>> others might think about it, and also because I don't think that this is
>> the final call.
> 
> As mentionned in IRC, uncategorized bugs should be displayed first.

+1

> That's what QA does using 'Cat1Order: N X Y Z...' with N the index of
> Uncategorized (that's what I see from BTS spool, I don't understand how
> to get this configuration inside the BTS).

Me neither, any hint welcome.

>>  More importantly I think it might make sense to use more categories,
>> but I haven't found ones that catch a fair bit to be really helpful
>> instead of just stretching the entry part.
> 
> Split bugs about content or design/CSS ?

That would be a good start, once triaged those, we may have a better idea.

Regards

David

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Bug#289876: Re: Bug#289876: remove me from callwave, and then google me harder

[David Prévot]

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[ I've been betrayed by my MUA, let me finish my sentence! ]

Le -10/01/-28163 15:59, David Prévot a écrit :
> Le mercredi 12 janvier 2005 08:14:25, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña a écrit :
>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 10:47:00AM +, paddy wrote:
> 
>>> For that matter, putting up a page such as I suggest might make things
>>> worse. I do not pretend to know.
>>
>> Well, I think it makes thing worse,
> 
> Agreed, and the ongoing…

Agreed, and the ongoing work on Spam removal address better this issue IMHO.

http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/ListArchiveSpam

Regards

David

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Re: FYI & RFC: bug categorising

[David Prévot]

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Le 23/04/2011 10:35, David Prévot a écrit :
> [ Just made aware of this old thread via IRC, thanks ]
> 
> Le 12/12/2009 16:20, Simon Paillard a écrit :
>> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 04:25:37PM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote:

>>>  I haven't enabled this view as default because I'm not too sure what
>>> others might think about it, and also because I don't think that this is
>>> the final call.
> 
>> As mentionned in IRC, uncategorized bugs should be displayed first.
> 
> +1

Sadly, I didn't manage to do so, I might be missing something obvious…

>>>  More importantly I think it might make sense to use more categories,
>>> but I haven't found ones that catch a fair bit to be really helpful
>>> instead of just stretching the entry part.
> 
>> Split bugs about content or design/CSS ?
> 
> That would be a good start, once triaged those, we may have a better idea.

As you can see [1], I just started with the following [usertags]:
   + Content [content]
   + Design [design]
   + Documentation [doc]
   + Packages.debian.org [packages]
   + Planet.debian.org [planet]

I just set up the default display [1] tho show these, and started to tag
some bugs. Sadly, we lost the tag classification (confirmed, patch,
wontfix) we used to have [2], but it may be a bit messy to use both [3].

  1: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=www.debian.org
  2: http://bugs.debian.org/www.debian.org?ordering=old
  3: http://bugs.debian.org/www.debian.org?ordering=www.debian.org-sort

As Rhonda, I don't believe it's the final call, but once understood how
it works, it's pretty easy to change and revert, so I guess it may be
useful as a start to show something new in the default view.

If you want to join the “let's have fun with usertags” team, you can add
one of the already defined ones like this:

bts user 'www.debian@packages.debian.org' , usertags 612244 design \
   , usertags 118592 doc , usertags 251218 content [...]

You may also untag stuff wrongly tagged, or even fix a few ones in the
process, it would be really welcome ;-).

Any though welcome about this, and follows the configuration used to
sort the bugs (Uncategorized at the end of the list gives the same result):

user www.debian@packages.debian.org
usercategory www-team
 * WWW-Team [tag=]
  + Uncategorized []
  + Content [content]
  + Design [design]
  + Documentation [doc]
  + Scripts [scripts]
  + Packages.debian.org [packages]
  + Planet.debian.org [planet]
usercategory normal
 * status
 * www-team
 * severity
usercategory www.debian.org-sort
 * status
 * www-team
 * severity
 * classification
usercategory old
 * status
 * severity
 * classification

Regards

David

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Bug#595698: www.debian.org: not robust to CRLF (dos end of lines): items missing from indexes/get_recent_list

[David Prévot]

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Le 12/02/2011 16:11, David Prévot a écrit :
> tags 595698 patch

Simon, anyone, any comment on the patch?

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=10;filename=relax_eol_for_define-tag.patch;att=1;bug=595698

If noone objects, I'll commit it in a few days (and yes, I use it
locally for more than two month, it solves the issue spotted earlier,
and I do wonder why I didn't commit it earlier ;-).

Regards

David

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Re: Untranslatable strings

[David Prévot]

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Le 21/04/2011 03:30, Damyan Ivanov a écrit :
> -=| Damyan Ivanov, Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 07:41:00PM +0300 |=-
>> I noticed a couple of strings that are not translatable and that 
>> appear on almost every page of the website.
>>
>> One is "Debian" in front of each page title (excluding the ones 
>> flagged as using "baretitle") in template/debian/basic.wml.
>>
>> The other is the hint () associated with the 
>> Debian logo (top left on every page) in template/debian/navbar.wml.
>>
>> Is this deliberate or should I work on fixing this (via gettext)?
> 
> No comments so far. May I take this as an approval of the proposed 
> change? :)

Sorry for the late answer, but it's an approval on my side. At worst, it
won't change the content, and for languages who care (well, the ones
using words like ديبيان or Дебиан or دبیان or 데비안 or דביאן or
டெபியனும் ஒன்று instead of Debian for example) it would be for sure an
improvement (I guess you weren't asking if not ;-).

I guess it would deserve some tricks with the images too, but well, just
scream if you need help (I Scream, You Scream, We All Scream for Ice
Cream…), and scream twice if you have no answer in a month ;-).

Cheers

David

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Bug#555967: [patch] describe gb, dw commands in wanna-build-states.wml

[David Prévot]

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Hi Simon,

Thanks for your patch and sorry for the late answer,

Le 12/11/2009 18:39, Simon McVittie a écrit :

> It seems reasonable to expect that wanna-build-states.wml should mention the
> manual state transitions available by mailing the debian-wb-team (give-back
> and dep-wait). A proposed patch follows (please check its accuracy with the
> wb-team, cc'd).

Kept, and added dle for approval of proper English which I can't judge.

Just to be sure, (since more than a year passed), is the patch still up
to date? Does it need some rewording?

Thanks in advance.

Regards

David

> Index: wanna-build-states.wml
> ===
> RCS file: /cvsroot/webwml/webwml/english/devel/buildd/wanna-build-states.wml,v
> retrieving revision 1.20
> diff -u -r1.20 wanna-build-states.wml
> --- wanna-build-states.wml2 Sep 2009 07:35:20 -   1.20
> +++ wanna-build-states.wml12 Nov 2009 22:36:10 -
> @@ -62,7 +62,10 @@
>   theoretically also explicitly request a different section ordering,
>   but that is not usually done.
>   There could be other situations where the queue order seems to
> - be ignored; but note that they are all exceptions.
> + be ignored; but note that they are all exceptions.
> + The gb ("give-back") wanna-build command can be used
> + by the wanna-build team to move a failed package back into the
> + needs-build state.
>
>building
>A package is marked building from the moment an
> @@ -119,7 +122,15 @@
>   Build-Depends, and should he or she add it when it is noticed that
>   baz is dep-waiting on a non-existing foo for
>   m68k, then the dep-wait state for m68k will
> - have to be manually lifted by the m68k porters.
> + have to be manually lifted by the m68k porters.
> + It is also possible to request that a package in some other state is
> + placed in the dep-wait state, by asking the wanna-build
> + team to apply the dw wanna-build command; for instance, a
> + package that failed to build on the first attempt due to toolchain
> + bugs can be set to dep-wait on toolchain packages that fix
> + those bugs, or a package that should be rebuilt against an updated
> + library can be set to dep-wait on that library (this is
> + useful in conjunction with binary NMUs).
>
>BD-Uninstallable
>During debconf9,  @@ -159,7 +170,11 @@
>   hardly ever the right thing to do, the option is available to
>   the autobuilder admin.
>   Note that a package will never be marked
> - failed without human intervention.
> + failed without human intervention.
> + It is sometimes useful to ask the wanna-build team to move failed
> + packages into the needs-build or dep-wait state; to
> + do so, follow http://release.debian.org/wanna-build.txt";>the
> + instructions provided by the release team.
>
>not-for-us
>Certain specific packages are architecture-specific; for

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Bug#362009: www.debian.org: please link to newpkg_main

[David Prévot]

user www.debian@packages.debian.org
usertags 362009 packages
thanks

Le mardi 11 avril 2006 15:34:58, vous avez écrit :
> DWN links to http://packages.debian.org/unstable/newpkg_main, but
> nothing else seems to do so..

That's still true. Since I have no idea where would be a good place to give 
this sort of link, I abuse the packages usertag, Gerfried, any hint?

Regards

David




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Re: Bug#556394: www.debian.org: international/l10n/po*/ 'ast' not recognized as Asturian

[David Prévot]

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Hi,

Le 15/11/2009 14:23, Simon Paillard a écrit :
> On Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 03:58:40PM +0100, malditoastur wrote:
>> El mar, 03-11-2009 a les 15:31 +0100, malditoastur escribió:
>>> in this website:
>>> http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po/
> [..]
>>>   * ast (Unknown language)
>>> --->"ast" is not an "Unknown language" xD. "ast" is Asturian

> I had a quick look, but cannot find a way to fix it now, so let's create
> a bug entry against www.debian.org out of your mail.

I had to edit Perl/Locale/Language.pm (and
english/template/debian/language_names.wml and following PO stuff for
translation purpose) in order to fix it.

I wonder if we should fix the other Unknown stuff the same way or
consider using the iso-codes package…

Regards

David

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[RFR] wml://legal/anssi.wml

[David Prévot]

Hi

In order to address #610872, I propose to include a translation of the
cryptographic export/import attestation and a link to the three scanned
documents (hosted on the Debian website once published). Since the
original document is in French, here is a first shot of its translation,
even if I'm not well aware of legal English vocabulary (but I tried to
find as much as I could from the English port of the FNISA web site [1])
and of course, I'm not confident in what I wrote, so I'd welcome
proofread, criticism or full rewrite of the attached file (French source
attached too, if you can understand it).

If my ISP is kind enough not to break my Internet connexion, you may
have a look at the resulted page [2].

  1: http://www.ssi.gouv.fr/site_rubrique88.html
  2: http://www.tilapin.org/debian/legal/anssi.en.html

Regards

David

#use wml::debian::template title="Cryptographic export/import attestation"
#use wml::debian::translation-check original="french" translation="1.1"


Following the http://people.debian.org/~corsac/anssi/debian-lenny-crypto-declaration.pdf";>\
declaration related to cryptology equipment, the http://www.ssi.gouv.fr/site_rubrique88.html";>\
FNISA (ANSSI) provided the http://people.debian.org/~corsac/anssi/debian-lenny-crypto-attestation.pdf";>\
1101027 file number.



Here is the translation of the http://people.debian.org/~corsac/anssi/debian-lenny-crypto-attestation-export.pdf";>\
cryptographic export/import attestation, please use the original version for legal purpose.





Paris, 20 January 2011



General Secretariat for Defence and National Security 

French Network and Information Security Agency

Regulation Coltrol Office



The Chief Executive of the French Network and Information Security Agency

to

Mister Yves-Alexis Perez






Subject:

Cryptology equipment classification


Reference:

Your declaration related to cryptology equipment Debian version 5.0
(Lenny), registered under the file number 1101027.





Sir,



I hereby certify that the cryptology equipment indicated
in your referred declaration comes under the 3rd category
of the 2nd  annexe of decree No. 2007-663, 2 may 2007.



I consequently inform you that you may freely proceed to
transfer operations to a member state of the European Union and
export to a third-party state with this cryptology equipment.



This attestation does not form in any way a guideline about
the quality of this cryptology equipment or a recommendation
from the French Network and Information Security Agency.



Please accept, Sir, the assurances of my highest consideration.



Ivan Maximoff, policy officer, responsible for cryptology controls


#use wml::debian::template title="Attestation de déclaration d'un moyen de cryptologie"


Suite à la http://people.debian.org/~corsac/anssi/debian-lenny-crypto-declaration.pdf";>\
déclaration d’opération relative à un moyen de cryptologie, l'http://www.ssi.gouv.fr/";>ANSSI a assigné le http://people.debian.org/~corsac/anssi/debian-lenny-crypto-attestation.pdf";>\
numéro de dossier 1101027 à la requête.



Voici la retranscription de l'http://people.debian.org/~corsac/anssi/debian-lenny-crypto-attestation-export.pdf";>\
attestation de déclaration reçue.
# Translators, please mention, as in English, that the original
# document is the only legal one, the translation is not.





Paris, le 20 janvier 2011



Secrétariat général de la défense et de la sécurité nationale

Agence nationale de la sécurité des systèmes d'information

Bureau contrôle réglementaire



Le directeur général de l'agence nationale de la sécurité des systèmes d'information

à

Monsieur Yves-Alexis Perez






Objet :

Classement d'un moyen de cryptologie


Référence :

Votre déclaration relative au moyen de cryptologie Debian version 5.0
(Lenny), enregistrée sous le numéro 1101027.




Monsieur le directeur,



J'atteste par la présente que le moyen de cryptologie désigné
dans votre déclaration en référence relève de la catégorie 3
de l'annexe 2 au décret nº 2007-663 du 2 mai 2007.



Je vous informe, en conséquence, que vous pouvez procéder librement
aux opérations de transfert vers un État membre de l'Union européenne
et d'exportation vers un État tiers de ce moyen de cryptologie.



La présente attestation ne constitue en aucun cas une indication sur
la qualité de ce moyen de cryptologie ou une recommandation de la
part de l'agence nationale de la sécurité des systèmes d'information.



Je vous prie d'agréer, Monsieur le directeur,
l'expression de ma considération distinguée.



Ivan Maximoff, chargé de mission, responsable des contrôles de la cryptologie




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Let's have fun in bug triaging (Was: FYI & RFC: bug categorising)

[David Prévot]

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[ Links were broken in my previous mail ]

Le 12/12/2009 16:20, Simon Paillard a écrit :
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 04:25:37PM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote:
>> Today I fiddled around a bit with the BTS, and this is what I managed:
>> 
> [..] 
>> bts user www.debian@packages.debian.org . usertag 1234 + packages
> [..]

> As mentionned in IRC, uncategorized bugs should be displayed first.

Still a problem.

>>  More importantly I think it might make sense to use more categories,
>> but I haven't found ones that catch a fair bit to be really helpful
>> instead of just stretching the entry part.
> 
> Split bugs about content or design/CSS ?

The default page now shows those (usertags between bracket):

  + Content [content]
  + Design [design]
  + Scripts [scripts]
  + Packages.debian.org [packages]
  + Planet.debian.org [planet]

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=www.debian.org

The problem is that we lost the tags classification we used to have:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?ordering=old;src=www.debian.org

I also tried to provide both, but wonder if it's not a bit messy:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?ordering=www.debian.org-sort;src=www.debian.org

> An option is to add tag for directories, ex./News or /security/  
> r /CD/ or /Bugs/. 

Good idea, we can do both:

  + Bugs [bugs]
  + CD [cd]
  + Consultants [consultants]
  + Development [devel]
  + Distribution [distrib]
  + Documentation [doc]
  + Events [events]
  + International [international]
  + Intro [intro]
  + MailingLists [mailinglists]
  + Mirror [mirror]
  + Miscellaneous [misc]
  + News [news]
  + Partners [partners]
  + Ports [ports]
  + Releases [releases]
  + Security [security]
  + Users [users]
  + Vote [vote]
  + Packages.debian.org [packages]
  + Planet.debian.org [planet]

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?ordering=dir;src=www.debian.org

Any thought, comment, other idea?

Once the directory triage will be polished, I wonder if we could contact
related group (-doc, -cd, -ports, etc.) to help us in fixing bugs they
are the most concerned with, or even address this in a “bits from the
WWW-Team” if we have other stuff to talk about…

Regards

David


P.-S.: my last mail to control in order to set this up:

user www.debian@packages.debian.org
usercategory www-team-type
 * WWW-Team type [tag=]
  + Uncategorized []
  + Content [content]
  + Design [design]
  + Scripts [scripts]
  + Packages.debian.org [packages]
  + Planet.debian.org [planet]
usercategory www-team-dir
 * WWW-Team directories [tag=]
  + Bugs [bugs]
  + CD [cd]
  + Consultants [consultants]
  + Development [devel]
  + Distribution [distrib]
  + Documentation [doc]
  + Events [events]
  + International [international]
  + Intro [intro]
  + MailingLists [mailinglists]
  + Mirror [mirror]
  + Miscellaneous [misc]
  + News [news]
  + Partners [partners]
  + Ports [ports]
  + Releases [releases]
  + Security [security]
  + Users [users]
  + Vote [vote]
  + Packages.debian.org [packages]
  + Planet.debian.org [planet]
  + Uncategorized []
usercategory normal
 * status
 * www-team-type
 * severity
usercategory dir
 * status
 * www-team-dir
 * severity
usercategory www.debian.org-sort
 * status
 * www-team-type
 * severity
 * classification
usercategory old
 * status
 * severity
 * classification

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Re: Possible mistake in the Adrian-von-Bidder-news of 11/04/23

[David Prévot]

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Le 25/04/2011 15:30, Pfannenstein Erik a écrit :
> Hello together,

Hi Erik

> While translating the News of April 23th, I noticed that below »About Debian« 
> it says »the operating systems Debian«. Obviously there is an S too much.

Thanks for spotting it. As advised in the website [0], you should not
hesitate to fix such typo when you catch some. In order not to bother
translators, the ./smart_change.pl comes handy to bump the translation
check in the mean time (I just assumed that other translators just used
their usual translation of this part and didn't bother to have a close
look at it like you did, I know for sure that's what the lazy French
translator did ;-).

  0: http://www.debian.org/devel/website/working#etiquette

I first made sure to have an up to date repository:

 $ cvs update */News/2011

then fixed the typo and bump the translation check:

 $ ./smart_change.pl english/News/2011/20110423.wml

of course checked first I won't commit something nasty:

 $ cvs diff */News/2011/20110423.wml

and then committed the changes, thanks to your remark:

 $ cvs commit -m'some meaningful commit log' */News/2011/20110423.wml

Cheers

David

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Bug#444965: Bad declension on page http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po/ in Polish

[David Prévot]

tags 444965 patch
thanks

Le mardi 02 octobre 2007 15:54:21, Eugeniy Meshcheryakov a écrit :
> 2 жовтня 2007 о 12:39 +0200 Wojciech Zareba написав(-ла):
> > # ar_EG (arabski, używany w Egipt) - should be "w Egipcie"
> > # ar_OM (arabski, używany w Oman) - w Omanie
> > # ar_SA (arabski, używany w Arabia Saudyjska) - w Arabii Saudyjskiej
> > # ar_SY (arabski, używany w Syrian Arab Republic) - w Syryjskiej
> > Republice Arabskiej # ar_TN (arabski, używany w Tunezja) - w Tunezji
> > etc.
> > 
> > This list is automatically generated, so I don't know if and how can I
> > correct it. I think this bug is related to other slavonic languages too.
> > Help, please.
> 
> Well, for Ukrainian it looks like this:
> 
> # ar_EG (Арабська, Єгипет)
> 
> for Polish, I guess, it can look like this:
> 
> # ar_EG (arabski, Egipt)

And in French we use
# ar_EG (Arabe – Égypte)

If this fit, you could apply this simple following patch.

By the way, I'm considering the use of iso-codes and isoquery to translate 
languages and country names, could a DD ask for adding those two packages on 
wolkenstein? My first local try are quite encouraging, so I'll continue digging 
on that.

Regards

David

Index: polish/po/l10n.pl.po
===
RCS file: /cvsroot/webwml/webwml/polish/po/l10n.pl.po,v
retrieving revision 1.10
diff -u -r1.10 l10n.pl.po
--- polish/po/l10n.pl.po5 Aug 2010 07:51:07 -   1.10
+++ polish/po/l10n.pl.po25 Apr 2011 22:33:22 -
@@ -49,7 +49,7 @@

 #: ../../english/international/l10n/dtc.def:50
 msgid ", as spoken in "
-msgstr ", używany w "
+msgstr " – "

 #: ../../english/international/l10n/dtc.def:55
 msgid "Unknown language"



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Bug#118592: www.debian.org: Java policy is not in the DDP (nor uses debiandocsgml)

[David Prévot]

Hi,

Le mercredi 07 novembre 2001 09:23:17, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña a 
écrit :
>   I intend to do it. However, since I tend to work also from time to
>   time I prefer to file a bug (as a reminder :) than to leave it
>   on my PDA or on my head...

It's been almost ten years now, so do you still intend to do it? If not, it 
may be time to close this bug.

Regards

David




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Bug#624150: www.debian.org: Please use iso-codes to translate language and country names

[David Prévot]

Package: www.debian.org
Severity: wishlist
Tags: patch l10n
User: www.debian@packages.debian.org
Usertags: scripts international

Hi,

It would be pointless to fix all #556394-like bug one language at a
time, and since those translations already exists, there is no point
to ask each translators team to provide those translations again.

Moreover, Locale::Language is not complete in regard to ISO 639-3.

In order to apply the following patch, isoquery and iso-codes must be
installed on wolkenstein.

I'll continue to prepare patches for other parts of the website that
rely on internal translation unless someone objects. The last three
changes are unrelated: Alexander Reshetov suggested to get rid of the
parenthesis and I tend to agree. I also wonder if we shouldn't separate
the language of the country by a simple dash (like in French), instead
of using a (translatable) “, as spoken in” form, which may lead to
problems in some languages (see #444965). Please note that the build
process of intl/l10n would take more time, probably because of the
external call to isoquery, but it's only built once a day.

Result (in every available language) is available online, if my ISP
does its job:

http://www.tilapin.org/debian/intl/l10n/po/

Regards

David

-- System Information:
Debian Release: wheezy/sid
  APT prefers unstable
  APT policy: (600, 'unstable'), (500, 'oldstable'), (500, 'stable'), (150, 
'experimental')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.38-2-amd64 (SMP w/1 CPU core)
Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash

*** /tmp/dtc.def.patch
Index: english/international/l10n/dtc.def
===
RCS file: /cvsroot/webwml/webwml/english/international/l10n/dtc.def,v
retrieving revision 1.50
diff -u -r1.50 dtc.def
--- english/international/l10n/dtc.def  18 Sep 2008 21:12:58 -  1.50
+++ english/international/l10n/dtc.def  26 Apr 2011 01:26:53 -
@@ -1,4 +1,3 @@
-#use wml::debian::language_names
 #use wml::debian::common_tags
 
 
@@ -139,38 +138,45 @@
 
 
 
-#use wml::debian::language_names
-
 <:
 use lib '$(ENGLISHDIR)/../Perl';
 use Locale::Language;
-use Locale::Country;
+use Locale::gettext;
 
 sub language_name {
 my $lang=shift;
 my $country=undef;
+   my $loc=language2code($(CUR_LANG));
 
+   $lang  =~ s/@.*$//;
 if ($lang =~ m,^(..)_(..)$,) {
 $lang=$1;
 $country=$2;
 }
-# Looking for something like $trans{'de'}{'finnish'}
-# Translations in wml::debian::language_names
-if (defined 
($trans{language2code($(CUR_LANG))}{lc(code2language($lang))})) {
-   $lang = 
$trans{language2code($(CUR_LANG))}{lc(code2language($lang))};
+if (`isoquery -i 639-3 --name $lang 2>/dev/null`) {
+   # isoquery fails for unavailable locale, included en, see 
#624147
+   if ($loc eq 'en'){
+   $lang = `isoquery -i 639-3 -n $lang`;
+   }
+   else {
+   $lang = `isoquery -i 639-3 -l $loc -n $lang`;
+   }
+   chomp $lang;
+   $lang =~ s/^.*\t//g;
 } else {
-$lang = code2language($lang) or return qq();
+return qq();
 }
 if (defined $country) {
-   $country=uc($country);
-   # Looking for something like $countries{'AT'}{'FI'} (for _AT in 
finnish
-if (defined 
($countries{$country}{uc(language2code($(CUR_LANG)))})) {
-   
$country=$countries{$country}{uc(language2code($(CUR_LANG)))};
-} elsif (defined ($countries{$country}{'EN'})) {
-   $country=$countries{$country}{'EN'};
-} elsif (defined (code2country($country))) {
-   $country=code2country($country);
+   if (`isoquery --name $country 2>/dev/null`) {
+   if ($loc eq 'en'){
+   $country = `isoquery --name $country`;
+   }
+   else {
+   $country = `isoquery -l $loc --name $country`;
+   }
 }
+   chomp $country;
+   $country =~ s/^.*\t//g;
return "";
 } else {
 return $lang;
@@ -196,7 +202,7 @@
 close(LANGS);
 print "\n" if (@po4alangs);
 foreach my $l (sort @po4alangs) {
-print "$l (".language_name($l).")\n";
+print "$l — ".language_name($l)."\n";
 }
 print "\n" if (@po4alangs);
 :>
@@ -232,7 +238,7 @@
 close(LANGS);
 print "\n" if (@polangs);
 foreach my $l (sort @polangs) {
-print "$l (".language_name($l).")\n";
+print "$l — ".language_name($l)."\n";
 }
 print "\n" if (@polangs);
 :>
@@ -268,7 +274,7 @@
 close(LANGS);
 print "\n" if (@podebconflangs);
 foreach my $l (so

Bug#337121: /vote/howto_proposal: headlines not matching link titles

[David Prévot]

Hi,

Le mercredi 02 novembre 2005 14:27:41, Holger Levsen a écrit :

> The links on the left of the page http://www.debian.org/vote/howto_proposal
> are not consistent with the headlines of the pages, which is a little
> confusing

It's been quite a long time since this issue was raised, but i tend to 
disagree: the left menu offers quick links in order to provide usual sort of 
information. The headlines may be different because they provide information on 
how these usual aspects are actually handled in Debian.

>  Submit a Proposal   -> Guidelines
>  Amend a Proposal  -> amending
>  Follow a Proposal -> Standard Resolution Procedure
> 
> 
> I would suggest:
> 
>  Submit a Proposal   -> Guidelines for submitting a proposal

Has been changed to “Procedures for submitting a General Resolution proposal 
or amendment” in the mean time, so it should be fine anyway.

>  Amend a Proposal  -> amending a proposal

It's now “Amending”, part of the “Procedures for submitting a General 
Resolution proposal or amendment” too, so it should be fine too.

> I have no idea how to fix the last one :(
> 
> Maybe just
> 
>  Standard Resolution Procedure -> Standard Resolution Procedure
> 
> but then the headline in the left column ("howto") doesnt fit anymore :(

That's why I do think it's better to keep it the way it is: the “Standard 
Resolution Procedure” page explain the Standard Resolution Procedure which is 
indeed useful to “Follow a Proposal”.

Regards

David




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[RFR2] wml://legal/anssi.wml

[David Prévot]

Hi,

Thanks a lot for your review,

Le 25/04/2011 02:46, Justin B Rye a écrit :

> My attached diff and revised version converts parts of it into the
> verbiage that I've seen used more commonly in English (most obviously
> the phrase "cryptographic mechanism").

“cryptology equipment” was directly taken from the English part of the
FNISA web site [1], so I'd prefer to keep it this way unless it's a
really crappy translation. Please note that “moyen de cryptologie” is
not really common either in French…

  1: http://www.ssi.gouv.fr/site_rubrique88.html

> […] The version I was taught at school
> was "Yours Sincerely", but I gather these days that would sound
> slightly old-fashioned and long-winded.

As Christian said, the French version is already old-fashioned and
long-winded, so I took “Yours Sincerely” too.

> --- anssi.wml.pristine2011-04-25 07:02:31.940925528 +0100
> +++ anssi.wml 2011-04-25 07:27:58.656925702 +0100
> @@ -4,18 +4,18 @@
>  
>  Following the   
> href="http://people.debian.org/~corsac/anssi/debian-lenny-crypto-declaration.pdf";>\
> -declaration related to cryptology equipment, the  +[transaction report for a] cryptographic mechanism

I took this one from http://www.ssi.gouv.fr/site_article195.html

> -of the 2nd  annexe of decree No. 2007-663, 2 may 2007.
> +of Schedule 2 of Order number 2007-663 of 2 May 2007.

I took this one from http://www.ssi.gouv.fr/site_article195.html

So I propose the following version (diff against Justin version which is
a way better basis than my initial shot).

Regards

David

--- /tmp/anssi-1.wml2011-04-26 12:27:13.0 -0400
+++ english/legal/anssi.wml 2011-04-26 12:46:21.453492100 -0400
@@ -4,7 +4,7 @@
 
 Following the http://people.debian.org/~corsac/anssi/debian-lenny-crypto-declaration.pdf";>\
-[transaction report for a] cryptographic mechanism, the , the http://www.ssi.gouv.fr/site_rubrique88.html";>\
 FNISA (ANSSI) assigned the http://people.debian.org/~corsac/anssi/debian-lenny-crypto-attestation.pdf";>\
@@ -46,12 +46,12 @@
 
 Subject:
 
-Classification of a cryptographic mechanism
+Classification of a cryptology equipment
 
 
 Reference:
 
-Your cryptographic mechanism declaration for Debian version 5.0
+Your cryptology equipment declaration for Debian version 5.0
 (Lenny), registered under the file number 1101027.
 
 
@@ -62,25 +62,25 @@
 
 
 
-I hereby certify that the cryptographic mechanism indicated
+I hereby certify that the cryptology equipment indicated
 in the above declaration comes under Category 3
-of Schedule 2 of Order number 2007-663 of 2 May 2007.
+of Schedule 2 of decree No. 2007-663, 2 May 2007.
 
 
 
 I consequently inform you that you may freely engage in
 transfer operations to a member state of the European Union and
-export to a third-party state with this cryptographic mechanism.
+export to a third-party state with this cryptology equipment.
 
 
 
 This declaration does not in any way constitute a statement about
-the quality of this cryptographic mechanism or a recommendation
+the quality of this cryptology equipment or a recommendation
 from the French Network and Information Security Agency.
 
 
 
-Sincerely
+Yours Sincerely
 
 
 
#use wml::debian::template title="Cryptographic export/import attestation"
#use wml::debian::translation-check original="french" translation="1.1"


Following the http://people.debian.org/~corsac/anssi/debian-lenny-crypto-declaration.pdf";>\
declaration related to cryptology equipment, the http://www.ssi.gouv.fr/site_rubrique88.html";>\
FNISA (ANSSI) assigned the http://people.debian.org/~corsac/anssi/debian-lenny-crypto-attestation.pdf";>\
file number 1101027 to the request.



Here is the translation of the http://people.debian.org/~corsac/anssi/debian-lenny-crypto-attestation-export.pdf";>\
cryptographic export/import attestation received; please use the original version for legal purposes.





Paris, 20 January 2011



General Secretariat for Defence and National Security 

French Network and Information Security Agency

Regulatory Oversight Office



The Chief Executive of the French Network and Information Security Agency

to

Mr Yves-Alexis Perez






Subject:

Classification of a cryptology equipment


Reference:

Your cryptology equipment declaration for Debian version 5.0
(Lenny), registered under the file number 1101027.





Sir,



I hereby certify that the cryptology equipment indicated
in the above declaration comes under Category 3
of Schedule 2 of decree No. 2007-663, 2 May 2007.



I consequently inform you that you may freely engage in
transfer operations to a member state of the European Union and
export to a third-party state with this cryptology equipment.



This declaration does not in any way constitute a statement about
the quality of this cryptology equipment or a recommendation
from the French Network and Information Security Agency.



Yours Sincerely



Ivan Maximoff, policy officer responsible for cryptography controls




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debian-reference in different URL

[David Prévot]

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Hi,

Le 28/04/2011 10:03, Osamu Aoki a écrit :
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 07:48:03PM +, Debian Bug Tracking System wrote:

> Just to explain situation a bit more...
> 
> Pages like
>   http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.de.html
> stil exists created from old translation of SGML.
> 
> But New English pages are from XML and they are at
> 
>   http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch09.en.html
>   French is also in this XML group.
> 
> They have changed a lot in content.

They did, but I tried to map the old content to the new pages [1]. We
will soon be able to redirect an old unavailable page [2] to the new one
[3] if it exists. The patch to the Apache config file is ready and being
tested (so not available yet, but thanks Ari to have woken us up about
this, we are also preparing the config to handle many others links, e.g.
maint-guide ones).

  1: http://www.debian.org/doc/map-reference.txt
  2: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html
  3: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch09.en.html

> I do not know why French showed up? Were you looking at French page
> before clicking this URL?

It was because the English page doesn't exists for this link [4], and
French is the second default. The French page has been deleted since the
bug has been reported, and now the German page shows up (the third default).

  4: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips

Regards

David

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Re: international/german: mentioned wiki page does not exist

[David Prévot]

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Hi,

Le 28/04/2011 15:58, Holger Wansing a écrit :

> http://www.debian.org/international/German/
> mentions a wiki page, which does not exist (anymore?):
> 
> See
> webwml/english/international/German/index.wml line 66:
> 
> There is also a http://wiki.debian.org/GermanL10N";>\
> website for the list with useful links.

> Please remove that paragraph.

These pages are the German L10n Team responsibility, CCed, and actually
translated from German:

#use wml::debian::translation-check translation="1.47" original="german"

Could you please update the German page and its English translation? If
it's just a matter of paragraph removal and links update, you're
encouraged to update the other translations in the process
(./smart_change.pl may become handy for some of these updates).

Regards

David

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[LCFC] wml://legal/anssi.wml

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Hi,

Thanks in advance for your last comments, the files are attached to the
previous RFR2 <4db6f746.8000...@tilapin.org>, and the page is available
on line:

http://www.debian.org/legal/anssi

Regards

David

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Bug#624698: [RFR] wml://contact.wml (Was: Bug#624698: Make it more obvious that messages to addresses on w.d.o/contact are public and archived)

[David Prévot]

user www.debian@packages.debian.org
usertags 624698 content
owner 624698 da...@tilapin.org
tags 624698 patch pending
thanks

Hi,

Le 30/04/2011 14:19, Andrei Popescu a écrit :

> See attached patch to make it more obvious that various contact e-mails 
> are actually mailing lists.

Thanks for this proposition, and for answering to users.

I just edited your patch in order to follow the typography used on this
page (“e-mail”, “mailing list”). I hereby request for a review of these
four lines on dle before including them.

Thanks in advance.

Regards

David

P.-S.: Initial mail for context.

> This bug was inspired by following actual situation:
> 
> * some spammer sends a mail to a debian list, CCd to a lot of innocent 
>   bystanders
> * one of those bystanders finds his e-mail address in the archive and
>   - reports the message as spam
>   - writes to debian-www (as per w.do./contact) to have the mail removed 
> from the archive, not realizing that debian-www@l.d.o is actually a 
> mailing list
> 
> Now, because the original mail is spam, there is a chance that it will 
> be eventually removed from the archives. The problem is that the new 
> message is now a legitimate post to debian-www and will not be removed 
> (as per the disclaimer).
> 
> Regards,
> Andrei

Index: english/contact.wml
===
RCS file: /cvsroot/webwml/webwml/english/contact.wml,v
retrieving revision 1.45
diff -u -r1.45 contact.wml
--- english/contact.wml 3 Feb 2011 21:22:56 -   1.45
+++ english/contact.wml 30 Apr 2011 19:17:20 -
@@ -5,6 +5,13 @@
 no means inclusive. Please refer to the rest of the web pages for other
 contact methods.
 
+
+Please note that most e-mail addresses below represent
+various open mailing lists with public archives.
+Read the \
+disclaimer before sending any messages.
+
+
 English language is the common language for communication with Debian
 developers. We therefore ask that initial enquiries to developers be made
 in English. If this is not possible, go through


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Bug#616340: Another way to build /intl/l10n/*/$lang (Was: Missing language code on http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/de)

[David Prévot]

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retitle 616340 please provide link to translated /intl/l10n/*/* pages
thanks

Le 05/03/2011 00:24, David Prévot a écrit :
> Le 03/03/2011 17:16, David Prévot a écrit :

>> And for every subpage relative to language code, use the (full) language
>> name [0] (with a fall back to language code if the language name is not
>> defined).

Done, should be on line in a few hours.

> Well, that's a bit more tricky that I'd have hopped.

isoquery and iso-codes helped a lot in that matter.

>> BTW, I also noticed that there is no link to the translated pages in the
>> bottom of those pages, I'll try to fix that in the process.

I'll try harder from now.

> […] The proposed alternative would add 6000 new WML files

I kept stuff the way they are, and fixed the current process.

Cheers

David

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Bug#624698: Make it more obvious that messages to addresses on w.d.o/contact are public and archived)

[David Prévot]

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Le 30/04/2011 16:04, Justin B Rye a écrit :
> David Prévot wrote:
>> I just edited your patch in order to follow the typography

> Yes, that's good.  I think I'd have phrased it as:
> 
>Please note that most of the e-mail addresses below represent
>open mailing lists with public archives.

Applied, thanks.

David

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Re: debian-reference in different URL

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[ I may have closed this bug too quickly in the first place,
  it is now properly fixed, thus the update ]

Hi,

Le 28/04/2011 10:31, David Prévot a écrit :

> The patch to the Apache config file is ready and being
> tested (so not available yet, but thanks Ari to have woken us up about
> this, we are also preparing the config to handle many others links, e.g.
> maint-guide ones).

Applied (the maint-guide is also available form its old URL via a 301
redirect now).

The old content of the reference is mapped to the new pages [1], so we
redirect an old unavailable page [2] to the new one [3], and since the
old format reference has been deleted in the mean time, we updated the
rule to redirect the old URL [4] to the new one [5] too (with proper
content negotiation).

>   1: http://www.debian.org/doc/map-reference.txt
>   2: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html
>   3: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch09.en.html
  4: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips
  5: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch09

Regards

David

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Bug#625650: www.debian.org: Some UTF-8 characters are broken on WNPP pages

[David Prévot]

Package: www.debian.org
Severity: wishlist
Tags: patch
User: www.debian@packages.debian.org
Usertags: scripts devel

Hi,

HTML::Entities is only Latin1-aware and not able to convert UTF-8
characters, so fails to display properly Kannada script for example:
the title of #625467 is broken in the WNPP pages [0].

  0: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/being_packaged

The following patch needs uni2ascii installed on www-master.

Regards

David

-- System Information:
Debian Release: wheezy/sid
  APT prefers unstable
  APT policy: (600, 'unstable'), (500, 'oldstable'), (500, 'stable'), (150, 
'experimental')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.38-2-amd64 (SMP w/1 CPU core)
Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash

*** /tmp/wnpp.patch
Index: english/devel/wnpp/Makefile
===
RCS file: /cvsroot/webwml/webwml/english/devel/wnpp/Makefile,v
retrieving revision 1.17
diff -u -r1.17 Makefile
--- english/devel/wnpp/Makefile 17 Aug 2008 12:46:40 -  1.17
+++ english/devel/wnpp/Makefile 4 May 2011 19:52:58 -
@@ -23,6 +23,8 @@
 $(DATADIR)/wnpp.data: WMLOUTFILE=$(DATADIR)/wnpp.data
 $(DATADIR)/wnpp.data:
$(WML) -W7,-Squotes $(DATADIR)/wnpp.pl
+   mv $(DATADIR)/wnpp.data $(DATADIR)/wnpp-utf8.data
+   uni2ascii -a D $(DATADIR)/wnpp-utf8.data > $(DATADIR)/wnpp.data
 
 ifeq "$(LANGUAGE)" "en"
 .PHONY: $(DATADIR)/wnpp.data
Index: english/devel/wnpp/wnpp.pl
===
RCS file: /cvsroot/webwml/webwml/english/devel/wnpp/wnpp.pl,v
retrieving revision 1.47
diff -u -r1.47 wnpp.pl
--- english/devel/wnpp/wnpp.pl  25 Apr 2011 15:56:55 -  1.47
+++ english/devel/wnpp/wnpp.pl  4 May 2011 20:04:14 -
@@ -9,17 +9,15 @@
 
 use SOAP::Lite;
 use Date::Parse;
-use HTML::Entities;
-use Encode qw(decode);
 
 # The maintainers flat database
 my $maintainers_file = "$(ENGLISHDIR)/devel/wnpp/Maintainers";
 
 my %maintainer;
-open MAINTAINERS, '<:utf8', $maintainers_file or die "Can't find 
$maintainers_file file at $host: $!\n";
+open MAINTAINERS, '<', $maintainers_file or die "Can't find $maintainers_file 
file at $host: $!\n";
 while () {
 if (/^(\S+)\s+(.*)$/) {
-   $maintainer{$1} = encode_entities($2);
+   $maintainer{$1} = $2;
 }
 }
 close MAINTAINERS;
@@ -46,7 +44,7 @@
  }
  $age{$bugid} = ($curdate - $status->{$bugid}->{date})/86400;
  $activity{$bugid} = ($curdate - $status->{$bugid}->{log_modified})/86400;
- $subject = encode_entities($subject);
+ $subject = $subject;
  # Make order out of chaos
  if ($subject =~ m/^(?:ITO|RFA):\s*(\S+)(?:\s+-+\s+)?(.*)$/) {
  $rfa{$bugid} = $1 . ($2?": ":"") . $2;



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Bug#616076: Mips page does not include info on Squeeze

[David Prévot]

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Hi,

Le 02/03/2011 06:50, Oz Nahum Tiram a écrit :

> Hi, I have sent the following email, but recieved no response (or I missed
> it ...), so I am also opening a bug.

Thanks for your report, CC the MIPS team who may be able to enlighten us
about that: could you please update the related pages of the website (or
provide us an up to date patch in order to update it) please?

> It seems that http://www.debian.org/ports/mips/ was forgotten ...
> From a brief look there it seems like there is no squeeze for mips ...
> A quick look around here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/mips/ shows
> that is not true.
> But to make things less confusing, the page
> http://www.debian.org/ports/mips/ should be updated.

Regards

David

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Bug#141692: the subscription limit

[David Prévot]

Dear listmasters,

Le dimanche 07 avril 2002 18:48:21, Josip Rodin a écrit :

> Just a note after dealing with a few complaints, and so I don't forget...
> the subscribe.pl kicks people out if they use it too many times.
> 
> This needs to be noted on the /MailingLists/{,un}subscribe pages.

This bug has been reported a few years ago, so I'd like to know if the 
statement is still true. If so would the following wording fit?

Please note that the number of {,un}subscriptions is limited.
If your request doesn't end, please use another method [0].

0: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#subunsub

Regards

David




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Bug#142908: related_links: Debian implements GNU, doesn't just take utils from

[David Prévot]

Hi,

Le dimanche 14 avril 2002 18:47:43, Ben Finney a écrit :

Thanks for your report, even if no one answered or confirmed it in the last 
nine years, Since no one closed it either, I propose to apply the following 
patch if no one objects within a week, or less if someone confirms.

> The "related links" page 
> makes the following reference to the GNU operating system:
> 
>   "GNU
>   Most of the utility programs on Debian are from the GNU project."
> 
> This gives a false impression of Debian's relationship to GNU.  GNU is
> an operating system project, and Debian is an implementation of the GNU
> operating system (hence its full name, "Debian GNU/Linux").
> 
> This reference should be changed to something resembling the following:
> 
>   "GNU
>   Debian is a complete implementation of the GNU operating system."

Regards

David

Index: english/misc/related_links.wml
===
RCS file: /cvsroot/webwml/webwml/english/misc/related_links.wml,v
retrieving revision 1.28
diff -u -r1.28 related_links.wml
--- english/misc/related_links.wml	1 Nov 2010 13:23:54 -	1.28
+++ english/misc/related_links.wml	6 May 2011 03:10:00 -
@@ -24,7 +24,7 @@
   The kernel behind Debian GNU/Linux.
 
 http://www.gnu.org/";>GNU
-  Most of the utility programs on Debian are from the GNU project.
+  Debian is a complete implementation of the GNU operating system.
 
 http://www.X.org/";>The X.Org Foundation
   The X.Org Foundation provides an open

Error message for Tidy too (was: Validation of webwml pages)

[David Prévot]

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Hi,

  Since we recently get rid of all Tidy errors and warnings [0], why not
send a “Tidy failed” mail (à la “Validation failed”) in order to keep it
that way? Since there might be duplicates, I propose to send the “Tidy
failed” mail if and only if no “Validation failed” mail were sent (the
other option would be to aggregate both in one mail, but there might be
duplicates inside the mail).

  0: http://www-master.debian.org/build-logs/tidy/

  Do you have any comment or other suggestion about it (the lack of
answer will be considered as a formal acknowledgement, and I'm going to
prepare and test this feature right now ;-).

  Please note that in order to make those files really empty, I ruled
out the “nested q elements” warnings. If you relied on this feature,
I'll push these warnings back, and will only rule them out before mailing.

Le 06/04/2011 15:34, David Prévot a écrit :

> Since I didn't update this thread, but as you may already have notice,
> the “annoy translators on validation error” script is run daily, and a
> weekly mail for every language that still fails the validation is sent
> to the persons listed for the “en” language. When a language is failing
> the validation, I add the person who introduced the error to the list of
> recipients instead of fixing the error myself, considering that it's best
> to let translator fix the error since it might hide other problems I may
> miss.
> 
> If you wish to add yourself or update recipients for your language ,
> you're welcome to update the english/devel/website/validation.data file.

Regards

David

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Re: Error message for Tidy too

[David Prévot]

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Hi,

Le 06/05/2011 12:28, victory a écrit :
> On Fri, 06 May 2011 10:26:36 -0400
> David Prévot wrote:
> 
>>   Please note that in order to make those files really empty, I ruled
>> out the “nested q elements” warnings. If you relied on this feature,
>> I'll push these warnings back, and will only rule them out before mailing.
> 
> or back up the old log temporarily and let it mail only if the log changed :-)
> ie.: rename/copy target log file -> tidy -> evaluate the diff between old and 
> new
>  -> do mail if it's not empty -> remove old file 

Thanks for your feedback, and sorry in advance for my long answer…

The first problem is the message is only sent daily, so we would have to
copy and keep a daily copy (why not), while Tidy is run after each
rebuild of the website, every four hours. I like the current approach
since it allows one, while trying to fix a tiny issue, to check that he
didn't mess on a larger scale after the next rebuild, and if so, to fix
his big mess (eventually twice), without sending a validation error
message to every translator, so almost no one noticed (e.g. the WNPP
mess yesterday to provide a concrete example ;-).

The second problem, is that we would receive the mail only once: if we
consider that we really want to fix these errors and warnings (which is
the reason why we have fixed all of them recently), and want to do it in
a timely manner and via the safest approach (let translators take care
of their own language), we'd better not assume that if the error was
already there yesterday, it's not important anymore today. In other
word, if yesterday's mail has been lost, it would be a shame not to be
aware today of an error introduced two days ago.

Furthermore, the “nested q elements, possible typo.” warnings are
usually safe like on the testing page [0]: How could installing a
package into testing possibly break other packages?. Ruling
them out by default doesn't seems to me like a big deal, and since it's
now on CVS, one can always run locally cron/parts/999Xtidy with the
appropriate option (“--nested-q” or “-q” in short, maybe not the best
short option name I could have chosen by the way).

If the “nested q elements, possible typo.” warnings are indeed useful
for some of us, the simplest approach I could think of would be to turn
the “-q” option the other way around: make the default output display
all these warnings by default, and make a special daily quiet run ruling
out those warnings just before sending the “Tidy failed” mail.

  0: http://www.debian.org/devel/testing

Regards

David

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Bug#568141: release.debian.org: Latest point release hard to follow / confusing

[David Prévot]

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user www.debian@packages.debian.org
usertags 568141 packages
tags 568141 wishlist
thanks

Le 14/05/2011 11:57, Julien Cristau a écrit :
> On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 17:50:02 +0200, Helge Kreutzmann wrote:
> 
>> So it would be sensible to reassign this to www.debian.org?
>>
> No, it would be sensible to drop this instead of wasting more people's
> time on a non-issue.

Seems like the most sensible approach to me too…

 On 05/14/2011 10:44 AM, Helge Kreutzmann wrote:

>>> Another fix was proposed in my initial bug report (why is nobody
>>> reading this?) already:

Please don't assume that every other person is just a dummy or silly one
who can't read (imagine what people may think of someone who makes such
assumption)…

>>>  And secondly unify the
>>>  versions given in http://packages.debian.org/XXX and
>>>  http://packages.qa.debian.org/XXX (and in the latter also where the
>>>  latest one is printed).

Already done, some glitches may delay the update, that's all.

Mentioning on every packages.d.o page that the version might be newer in
the actual repository doesn't really make sense to me, maybe a note in
the about page [0] to describe a bit more how it works could be welcome
(and make this page translatable would also be a good idea ;-).

[0] http://packages.debian.org/about/

Regards

David

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Re: configuración de idioma

[David Prévot]

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Hi Roger,

Thanks for your report (and sorry to respond in English: entiendo un
poco de español, pero no hablo, hope you'll understand me anyway).

Le 16/05/2011 10:08, Roger Arellano a écrit :

> En la página http://www.debian.org/intro/cn#howtoset la configuración para
> Mozilla Firefox está desactualizada. Para Firefox 4 es: herramientas
> --> opciones
> --> contenido --> idiomas --> seleccionar y luego ordenar los idiomas en el
> orden deseado.

Using Iceweasel 4 is as described, so can you (and if other may confirm
it would be nice) provide the English menu set up, and the appropriate
architecture? The Spanish translation could then be updated thanks to
your input.

http://www.debian.org/intro/cn.en#mozillafirefox

Regards

David

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Bug#627091: www.debian.org: Po4a statistic page incomplete

[David Prévot]

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reassign 627091 debian-i18n
thanks

Hi,

Le 17/05/2011 11:54, Helge Kreutzmann a écrit :

> I maintain documentation in po4a format, e.g. in goobox I maintain the
> man page in po4a (GNOME does not have any facilities for translating
> man pages).
> 
> However, goobox does not appear on
> http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po4a/

po, po-debconf and po4a pages of the website “just” took their data from
the i18n server, is there something the i18n team could do in that regards?

In the mean time, please consider asking upstream to pull the Debian
tricks (I can see at least two other PO directories in that package, so
they might be i18n-friendly).

Cheers

David

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Bug#627090: www.debian.org: Enable translation tracking robot for po4a as well

[David Prévot]

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tag 627090 moreinfo
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Hi,

Le 17/05/2011 11:53, Helge Kreutzmann a écrit :

> Please enable (and document) the translation robot for the po4a
> statistic pages:
> http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po4a/

What robot are you talking about?

> Similar to the po/po-debconf modules.

What is done in “the po/po-debconf modules” which is not in ”po4a”

> Maybe the prefix "po4a" is appropriate.

If you're referring to the i18n.debian.net bot, it already works, just
grep po4a on the French page [1] and close this bug which is not
www.debian.org related in that case (and if you wondered, the “name”
part is free and already documented [2]).

  1: http://i18n.debian.net/debian-l10n/french/fr.by_translator.html
  2: http://i18n.debian.net/debian-l10n/docs/robot/pseudo-urls.html

Regards

David

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Bug#627090: www.debian.org: Enable translation tracking robot for po4a as well

[David Prévot]

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user www.debian@packages.debian.org
usertags scripts international
thanks

Hi,

Le 17/05/2011 13:02, Helge Kreutzmann a écrit :
> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 12:32:44PM -0400, David Prévot wrote:
>> Le 17/05/2011 11:53, Helge Kreutzmann a écrit :

>>> Please enable (and document) the translation robot for the po4a
>>> statistic pages:
>>> http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po4a/

>>> Similar to the po/po-debconf modules.
>>
>> What is done in “the po/po-debconf modules” which is not in ”po4a”
> 
> E.g. for po-debconf
> http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/de
> you can see what the status is for each German translation, e.g. RFR
> (in review), BTS (sent to BTS) and so on. On the German page for po4a
> this column is not present. This request is to add that column for the
> po4a case as well.

po-debconf is Debian-only material, so it may make little less sense to
activate such view for po and po4a, but I agree it may be nice (but it
may probably be really noisy for po).

>> If you're referring to the i18n.debian.net bot, it already works, just
>> grep po4a on the French page [1] and close this bug which is not
> 
> Well, a) the page is only available for French (thanks for pointing it
> out, it looks nice!)

Let me translate it for you:

http://i18n.debian.net/debian-l10n/german/de.by_translator.html

Regards

David

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Bug#627455: backports.debian.org: Page squeeze-backports/overview is outdated

[David Prévot]

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Hi Backports team,

Could you please reassign/fix/close this bug please?

Le 20/05/2011 14:06, Jens Meißner a écrit :
> Package: www.debian.org
> Severity: normal
> 
> The page http://backports.debian.org/squeeze-backports/overview/ is outdated. 
> It was not updated since 2011-03-24. This page should be auto-updated 
> everyday similarly to http://backports.debian.org/lenny-backports/overview/.

Cheers

David

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Re: ports/powerpc/index.wml: squeeze release is not mentioned

[David Prévot]

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Hi,

Adding L10n English, since I'm not confident in my wording proposal.

Le 20/05/2011 16:33, Holger Wansing a écrit :
> [CC'ing debian-powe...@lists.debian.org, please keep me in CC,
> as I'm not subscribed to that list]

>> http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/

>> In this list the squeeze release is not listed.

> Do you want me to commit such patch?
> 
> --- ports_powerpc_index-orig.wml  2011-05-20 22:25:28.0 +0200
> +++ ports_powerpc_index-workingcopy.wml   2011-05-20 22:27:01.0 
> +0200
> @@ -42,7 +42,7 @@
>  
>   Debian PowerPC port was first officially released with Debian GNU/Linux 2.2
>   (`potato'). Support for PowerPC is continued in the releases 3.1 (`sarge'),
> - 4.0 (`etch') and 5.0 (`lenny').
> + 4.0 (`etch'), 5.0 (`lenny') and 6.0 (`squeeze').
>   Please see the 
>   release notes and \
>   installation manual for more information.

Why not instead use something that won't need further update on next
releases, as:

Debian PowerPC port was first officially released with Debian
GNU/Linux 2.2 (`potato').
Support for PowerPC is continued since and is currently
available with Debian GNU/Linux <6.0 (`squeeze')>.

where <6.0 (`squeeze')> would be automatically updated?

Regards

David

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Re: ports/powerpc/index.wml: squeeze release is not mentioned

[David Prévot]

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Hi,

Le 20/05/2011 17:28, Holger Wansing a écrit :
> David Prévot  wrote:
>> Le 20/05/2011 16:33, Holger Wansing a écrit :
>>> [CC'ing debian-powe...@lists.debian.org, please keep me in CC,
>>> as I'm not subscribed to that list]
>>
>>>> http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/
>>
>>>> In this list the squeeze release is not listed.
>>
>>> Do you want me to commit such patch?
>>>
>>> --- ports_powerpc_index-orig.wml2011-05-20 22:25:28.0 +0200
>>> +++ ports_powerpc_index-workingcopy.wml 2011-05-20 22:27:01.0 
>>> +0200
>>> @@ -42,7 +42,7 @@
>>>  
>>>   Debian PowerPC port was first officially released with Debian GNU/Linux 
>>> 2.2
>>>   (`potato'). Support for PowerPC is continued in the releases 3.1 
>>> (`sarge'),
>>> - 4.0 (`etch') and 5.0 (`lenny').
>>> + 4.0 (`etch'), 5.0 (`lenny') and 6.0 (`squeeze').
>>>   Please see the 
>>>   release notes and \
>>>   installation manual for more information.
>>
>> Why not instead use something that won't need further update on next
>> releases, as:
>>
>>  Debian PowerPC port was first officially released with Debian
>>  GNU/Linux 2.2 (`potato').
>>  Support for PowerPC is continued since and is currently
>>  available with Debian GNU/Linux <6.0 (`squeeze')>.
>>
>> where <6.0 (`squeeze')> would be automatically updated?
> 
> That's what I wrote in my initial mail, too,

Indeed, so we already agree on this point ;-).

> but the proposal above
> does not include the same information as the old text. In the old
> text 3.0 is missing. So powerpc wasn't a release architecture for
> 3.0 ?

It was, according to the following links, so the new wording proposal
fixes this long standing issue too.

http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/
http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-3.0/

> And: if you change to above proposal, and powerpc is dropped for 7.0,
> you have to change the text again (ok, it's probably most unlikely that
> powerpc gets dropped).

Well, we'll have to update the page and state that the support was
dropped in version X.0 (and I believe it would need to be stated
explicitly enough, so a rewording would be needed anyway). Until X.0 is
out, we could rest (which is not the case now).

Regards

David

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Re: Error committing changes in CVS (Alioth-related?)

[David Prévot]

Hi,

Le 23/05/2011 18:37, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña a écrit :
> 
> This might be related to the Alioth update, could someone please confirm they
> get also this when comitting stuff:

Confirmed, I already warned on #alioth Saturday, and again before they
sent their third update on dda, but they must have been overwhelmed with
other changes.

Alioth admins, thanks a lot for your work, and sorry to bother you
again, by mail this time, with this perl-suid issue. Hope you will be
able to open the CVS commit access soon: we have lots of angry^Wpatient
contributors who really want to brake^Wupdate the website ;-).

> jfs@silicio:international$ cvs ci (...)
> Can't do setuid (cannot exec sperl)
> cvs commit: Pre-commit check failed
> cvs [commit aborted]: correct above errors first!

Regards

David


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Re: Email address rejected: consulta...@debian.org

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Le 24/05/2011 10:03, Gabriele Vivinetto a écrit :
> Please note that this @debian.org email address is no longer receiving
> messages.

It does. Please, as explained in the error message, ask your mail
provider (rvmgroup.it), to fix its MX entries:

550-domain rvmgroup.it is listed in bogusmx.rfc-ignorant.org; see Domain
has 550 demonstrably bogus MX records (in reply to RCPT TO command)

Indeed:

$ host rvmgroup.it
rvmgroup.it mail is handled by 30 smtp.rvmgroup.it.
rvmgroup.it mail is handled by 10 fire.rvmgroup.it.
$ host smtp.rvmgroup.it.
smtp.rvmgroup.it is an alias for support.rvmgroup.it.
[…]

but according to RFC 2181, Section 10.3. MX and NS records, “the value
of a MX resource record must not be an alias”.

Regards

David

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Re: CVS: Possible DNS Spoofing

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Hi,

Le 27/05/2011 08:15, Pfannenstein Erik a écrit :

> I just tried to update my local CVS directories and all I get is this message:

Please refer to the official announcements:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2011/05/msg7.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2011/05/msg8.html

Regards

David

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Re: Bug#510894: (www.debian.org: DWN Index for 2007 also shows 2006 issues)

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Hi,

Thanks for digging this one further.

Le 30/05/2011 02:59, victory a écrit :

> year's indexes pass a $noyear and latest doesn't, so let's use it
> change from
>   if ($year == $currentyear && $count < 10 && $reccount < 3 ) {
> to
>   if (!$noyear && $count < 10 && $reccount < 3 ) {
> and current year's index won't have last year's news any more :D

Your explanation makes sense. I just tested your patch locally to
english/template/debian/projectnews/index.wml and didn't notice any
regression, so you're welcome to commit your change directly, no need to
be shy ;-).

Regards

David

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Re: broken link on http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/

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Hi,

Le 29/05/2011 16:08, George Standish a écrit :

> The link "Installation Guide: development version" points to:
> http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/
> 
> Which returns a 404 message

Thanks for the notice, Alioth admins just fixed the issue.

Regards

David

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Re: ports/powerpc/index.wml: squeeze release is not mentioned

[David Prévot]

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Le 20/05/2011 17:57, Justin B Rye a écrit :

> […] I'd prefer to just say something like:
> 
>   It first became an official "release architecture" with Debian
>   GNU/Linux 2.2 (`potato') and has retained that status ever
>   since. See the release notes and installation manual for
>   further information.

Adopted, thanks.

> The fewer cobweb-traps the better - see also the out-of-date
> Potato/Woody references lower down the page.

powerpc Team, please feel free to improve your pages, don't hesitate to
ask for help on debian-l10n-engl...@lists.debian.org too.

Regards

David


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Bug#541839: Italian language to be added

[David Prévot]

Hi,

Le lundi 30 août 2010 06:34:19, Giuseppe Sacco a écrit :
> the Italian l10n team is interested in activating such automatic notify.
> Is this service already available?

It will be soon! i18n.d.n relied on anonymous checkout not yet repaired on 
Alioth, it's a good time to move this service in www-master. We'll handle 
every languages where a translator.db.pl file exists:

arabic chinese czech dutch esperanto french german italian norwegian persian 
portuguese romanian russian slovak

If you already set up a cron job on your side, get ready to stop it if you 
don't want duplicate, and if you don't wan't it to be handled on www-master 
for your language, just say so.

I'll close this bug once the needed packages (libemail-address-perl and 
libmime-lite-perl) installed and the cronjob uncommented.

Regards

David




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Re: debconf & debcamp: who's attending

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Hi,

Le 07/06/2011 01:14, Gerfried Fuchs a écrit :

> […] For myself, I'll be there for the whole two weeks
> (potentially not the first day though, still in travel).

Same for me, see you soon!

If some of you haven't prepared travel arrangement yet, I'd be glad to
make a hook from (somewhere still not defined in) France to Banja Luka,
since I'll be traveling by car.

Regards

David

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Bug#567781: Conversion of english pages to Unicode, via HTML entities.

[David Prévot]

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Hi,

Le 08/06/2011 09:21, Osamu Aoki a écrit :

> File is in UTF-8 encoded but this conversion did not convert funkey
> entities to more readable UTF-8 text.
> 
> For example:
> ---
> authors "Osamu Aoki (青木 修)">
> 
> ---
> 
> Can I make them into more readable UTF-8 strings:
> ---
> authors "Osamu Aoki (青木 修)">
> 
> ---
> 
> If noone object, I will...

If you wish, but please, don't touch any file that code may be used
verbatim in other language (all of them are not in UTF-8 yet) since it
will brake some of them (e.g. don't touch the code that is used to
generate POT files, and most of the *.src or *.def files), and do update
translation check of every translation of English pages you will be
editing (./smart_change.pl could be handy for that), I personally don't
care if you do the same changes in translated language, but as you seem
to care, feel free to change them too if they are UTF-8 ready.

For example, to fix your name in http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals
source, only in English, run :

  $ ./smart_change.pl -s english/doc/user-manuals.wml

after your change, or directly

  $ ./smart_change.pl -s 's/青木 修/青木 修/g' \
  english/doc/user-manuals.wml

to change every language. Note that the latter command won't work as
expected since you will be editing spanish/doc/user-manuals.wml for
example, which is not yet UTF-8 converted, so you will have to take
extra care of discarding such changes in non UTF-8 language, and bump
translation check anyway if possible since the content didn't change.

On the other hand, you could also wait for every language to be UTF-8
converted, in order to avoid possible mistake here.

Regards

David

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Bug#630181: www.debian.org: anonymous cvs pserver URI seems be changed

[David Prévot]

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forwarded 630181 ad...@alioth.debian.org
thanks

Le 11/06/2011 19:18, Kenshi Muto a écrit :

> I noticed last Alioth transition changed CVS pserver URI.

Indeed, we've already asked a few times for a solution for the broken
URL, it's part of the “Known problems” [1] for a few weeks now. Alioth
admins, could you please fix the described problem?

> http://www.debian.org/devel/website/using_cvs.en.html said:
>  cvs -d :pserver:anonym...@cvs.alioth.debian.org:/cvsroot/webwml login
> But it went:
>  cvs [login aborted]: unrecognized auth response from cvs.alioth.debian.org: 
> cvs [pserver aborted]: /cvsroot/webwml: no such repository
> 
> https://alioth.debian.org/scm/?group_id=1135 said:
>  cvs -d :pserver:anonym...@anonscm.debian.org:/webwml login
> But it went:
>  cvs [login aborted]: unrecognized auth response from anonscm.debian.org: cvs 
> [pserver aborted]: /webwml: no such repository
> 
> I think it will be :pserver:anonym...@anonscm.debian.org:/cvs/webwml,

It works, but before we fix this URL on the website to the new preferred
URL (not really defined yet [2], so a bit of information would be
welcome), could Alioth admins please offer a simple way not to break
existing checkout?

1: http://titanpad.com/yyhfwA9Pyr
2: http://alioth.debian.org/tracker/index.php?aid=313169

Regards

David


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Bug#630333: old files in incoming.debian.org

[David Prévot]

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reassign 630333 ftp.debian.org
thanks

Hi,

Le 12/06/2011 21:15, jida...@jidanni.org a écrit :
> Package: www.debian.org
> 
> At the top of
> http://incoming.debian.org/?C=M;O=A
> You will notice a few files from years ago.
> They should all be only this week new files.

Thanks for your report.

Since incoming.d.o is in FTP Masters' hands, let's ask the proper persons.

Regards

David

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Re: debconf11: please add sponsorship logo in debian.org site

[David Prévot]

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Le 14/06/2011 07:16, Moray Allan a écrit :
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Paul Wise  wrote:

>> DebConf11
>> Are you going?
> 
> That doesn't sound clearly positive to me, it could equally mean,
> "DebConf will be awful, are you sure you're going?"

Any English sentence in an image that is served in every translated
homepage of the homepage is weird.

Damyan also proposed the dates in http://ktnx.net/~dam/sf-date.png which
is still a bit weird, but could fit better.

I prefer without comments (but at least two persons expressed there
preference for the date version on IRC).

Regards

David

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Bug#541839: Italian language cron job about outdated translations

[David Prévot]

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Hi,

Le 20/06/2011 14:53, skizzhg a écrit :

> since a couple of weeks we receive the message about outdated
> translations on debian-l10n-ital...@lists.debian.org [0]
> (also, there isn't anything that specifies $translators).

According to ./check_trans.pl output, there is no translation check for
italian/devel/wnpp/help_requested_byage.wml, could you please fix that
and come back if the annoying useless weekly mail is still sent (and
eventually open another bug report since this one is closed and the
problem is another issue)?

> $ ./check_trans.pl -q italian
> NeedToUpdate italian/Bugs/Developer.wml from revision 1.82 to revision 1.83 
> (maintainer Giuseppe Sacco)
> NeedToUpdate italian/Bugs/server-control.wml from revision 1.91 to revision 
> 1.92 (maintainer Giuseppe Sacco)
> NeedToUpdate italian/CD/vendors/index.wml from revision 1.53 to revision 1.54 
> (maintainer Giuseppe Sacco)   
> Unknown status of italian/devel/wnpp/help_requested_byage.wml (revision 
> should be 1.1)

Regards

David

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Re: DDP web page using packaged documents

[David Prévot]

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Hi,

Le 20/06/2011 10:42, Osamu Aoki a écrit :

> Is there any documetation or mail message teling how this packaged
> document path should be used.

Not that I'm aware of, sorry. I intend to do the same for the
developers' reference soon (early July) too. Please note that the
related code moved to Git a few time ago:

http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=debwww/cron.git;a=summary

Regards

David

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Re: Tidy validation failed

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Hi,

Le 21/06/2011 15:36, Holger Wansing a écrit :

> I got these mails during the last days:

Sweet, isn't it? ;-)

> But looking at 
> http://www-master.debian.org/build-logs/validate/
> I found the counter for german on 0.

Since it's about Tidy, you should have looked at

http://www-master.debian.org/build-logs/tidy/

See http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2011/05/msg00047.html for a few
more details.

Regards

David

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Re: Website: use 'United States of America' instead of 'United States'

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Hi,

Le 23/06/2011 11:13, Holger Wansing a écrit :

> I would recommend to use 'United States of America' instead of
> only 'United States', what is actually often found.

According to ISO 3166, it should be “United States“, so if we have to
change in one way, I'd advise s/United States of America/United States/g
instead (please note that we are considering the use of isoquery to
replace every  sort of definition and translation, which will
depend on ISO 3166 anyway).

Regards

David

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Re: DDP web page using packaged documents

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Le 23/06/2011 12:10, Osamu Aoki a écrit :
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 01:06:52PM -0400, David Prévot wrote:
> Le 20/06/2011 10:42, Osamu Aoki a écrit :
> 
>>>> Is there any documetation or mail message teling how this packaged
>>>> document path should be used.
> 
> Not that I'm aware of, sorry.

Well, actually, there is a recent note:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2011/05/msg00204.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2011/05/msg00205.html

> I intend to do the same for the
> developers' reference soon (early July) too.

Just committed r8891 on Subversion DDP repository, and r920da79 on
cron.git (improvements welcome on the last one, it looks nasty ;-):

http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=debwww/cron.git;a=commitdiff;h=920da79cba3d5894ae1fc11a0a2f30770e69779e

>> (I have one commit there.  Maybe I need to revert it... to usu package)

I missed it sorry: your commit messages never show up on d-www-cvs@l.d.o
or #debian-www (probably some weird problem between CVS hooks and
non-ASCII characters in user name :/).

Regards

David

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Who's using Debian?

[David Prévot]

1. Globenet, France

2. Non-profit

3. http://www.globenet.org/

4. We are a non-profit organization, focusing on freedom of speech and
   privacy, providing Internet services.

   We use Debian on our servers (more than twenty now) since 1998 for
   its excellent reliability, its great package management system, and
   its security updates. Its commitment to free software and its
   volunteer-based, not-for-profit operation are what we value the most.


Hi, unless someone objects, I intend to commit the attach patch tomorrow
(but Kåre, or anyone else, if you do it earlier, that's fine too ;-):
Globenet is the non-profit organization that offers us a box during
DebCamp in order to prepare wolkenstein and powell upgrade to Squeeze.

Regards

David

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===
RCS file: english/users/org/globenet.wml
diff -N english/users/org/globenet.wml
--- /dev/null	1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -
+++ english/users/org/globenet.wml	14 Jun 2011 19:02:57 -
@@ -0,0 +1,18 @@
+# From: contact technique 
+#use wml::debian::translation-check original="french" translation="1.1"
+
+Globenet, France
+http://www.globenet.org/
+
+#use wml::debian::users
+
+
+We are a non-profit organization, focusing on freedom of speech and
+privacy, providing Internet services.
+
+
+We use Debian on our servers (more than twenty now) since 1998 for its
+excellent reliability, its great package management system, and its
+security updates. Its commitment to free software and its
+volunteer-based, not-for-profit operation are what we value the most.
+
Index: french/users/org/globenet.wml
===
RCS file: french/users/org/globenet.wml
diff -N french/users/org/globenet.wml
--- /dev/null	1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -
+++ french/users/org/globenet.wml	14 Jun 2011 19:04:10 -
@@ -0,0 +1,19 @@
+# From: contact technique 
+
+Globenet, France
+http://www.globenet.org/
+
+#use wml::debian::users
+
+
+Nous sommes une association militante, au service de la liberté
+d’expression, proposant des services Internet.
+
+
+Nous utilisons Debian sur nos serveurs (plus d'une vingtaine
+aujourd'hui) depuis 1998 pour son excellente fiabilité, son fantastique
+système de gestion des paquets et ses mises à jour de sécurité. Son
+engagement pour le logiciel libre, son développement basé sur le
+bénévolat et son fonctionnement sans but lucratif sont ce qui a le plus
+de valeur à nos yeux.
+


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Re: po-debconf stat is not updated anymore

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Hi,

Le 12/07/2011 19:48, Yuri Kozlov a écrit :

> Last update
> http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/*
> was a June 29.

Thanks for noticing, will have to check if the problem is in www-master
side or i18n (I think Christian recently noticed a failed update too):
same problem for po and po4a, of course...

Regards

David

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Weird numbers for stats stats [Was: po-debconf stat is not updated anymore]

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Hi,

Le 13/07/2011 09:09, victory a écrit :

> anyone know why "total" column is strange?
> eg: http://www.debian.org/devel/website/stats/ja#gettext
> see "stats" line, "total" column shows unknown number
>   stats.ja.po 49 (100%)   0 (0%)  0 (0%)  22

Weird indeed especially considering how simple is the sum code on line
257 of stattrans.pl. Anyway I just added a “Total” legend for the last
column: it seems I forgot it when I made this page translatable.

> all translations have the same issue, and cannot reproduce on the local copy

Can't reproduce either, maybe a weird Lenny issue that will disappear
when www-master will be upgraded to Squeeze (next week if no serious
problem pops up).

Regards

David

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Re: [Debian-l10n-devel] Activate generic l10n coordination robot for galician language (gl)

[David Prévot]

Hi,

> Could anybody on debian-www enable galician (GL) in
> english/international/l10n/scripts/gen-files.pl

Done, thanks for the notice (will be visible on line tommorow).

Regards

David




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Bug#632175: assign website copyright to SPI "and others"

[David Prévot]

Le 23/07/2011 10:51, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :

> (Taffit has kindly agreed to check I don't mess up
> things upon commit :-)

Updated (and yet untested) patch using the gettext magic to allow
translators to take care of this « and others » (and even allow those
crazy French pals to insert their boring non breaking space before the
semi-colon, fixing a long standing typographic issue on all pages of the
French part of the website).

Regards

David

Index: english/template/debian/footer.wml
===
RCS file: /cvsroot/webwml/webwml/english/template/debian/footer.wml,v
retrieving revision 1.122
diff -u -r1.122 footer.wml
--- english/template/debian/footer.wml	5 Mar 2011 02:37:27 -	1.122
+++ english/template/debian/footer.wml	23 Jul 2011 09:22:54 -
@@ -101,6 +101,9 @@
 
   Copyright
 
+
+  http://www.spi-inc.org/";>SPI and others;
+
 
   See license terms
 
@@ -148,7 +151,7 @@
 : <:= webwml_ctime () :>
 >
   
-   ©  http://www.spi-inc.org/";>SPI; 
+   ©   
   
 
 


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Re: Quote usage in gettexted WML

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Hi,

Le 16/08/2011 11:35, Jeroen Schot a écrit :
> Hello Debian-WWW,
> 
> The files english/template/debian/{stat_tags,legal}.wml contain
> constructs like:
> 
> <: printf '...', %0 :>
> 
> Note the single quotation marks (').

IIRC, the problem is the existing the double quote of "stats"

[…]
> I think the right solutions is to simply replace
> the single quotation marks with double quotation marks.

> I have attached a patch that does this. I can commit it myself if
> there are no objections to it, but would be more confident if a
> regular committer would do this.

Does your patch works ? I mean extracting the PO string *and* building
the resulting page (I would be surprised, in an happy way: I can
remember some headaches over there).

> Index: english/template/debian/legal.wml
> ===
> RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/template/debian/legal.wml,v
> retrieving revision 1.13
> diff -u -r1.13 legal.wml
> --- english/template/debian/legal.wml 16 Aug 2008 12:25:43 -  1.13
> +++ english/template/debian/legal.wml 16 Aug 2011 15:32:04 -
> @@ -46,10 +46,10 @@
>  \
>  " ""
>  # title string without version, on the form "dls-xxx - license name: status"
> -"<: printf( '%s  – %s: %s',
> +"<: printf( "%s  – %s: %s",

Doesn't printf consider the “[…]” won't be recognize, or
worse.

Anyway, a proper solution would be welcome here (if you've double
checked your patch, I'll test it too ;-).

Regards

David

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Re: solaris-i386 on debian.org/ports

[David Prévot]

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Hi Andrew,

Le 22/08/2011 18:22, Andrew Stormont a écrit :
> Is there any chance 'solaris-i386' can get added under the unsupported
> section on debian.org/ports?

Is there a Debian list of contributors for this port, are you willing to
(find someone willing to) write and maintain one or more pages about
this Debian port?

> There are two projects currently working on the solaris-i386 arch, Nexenta
> Core Platform (nexenta.org) and StormOS (storms.org).

It looks like (from my quick and far PoV) some external projects. If so,
maybe the Debian Derivatives Front Desk [0] would be a better start?

0 : http://wiki.debian.org/DerivativesFrontDesk

Regards

David

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Re: Debian live links not working

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Hi,

Le 31/08/2011 21:01, Sicco van Sas a écrit :

> I wanted to download a Debian live image but all the links to these
> images seem to be dead.

Thanks for the notice, we sometime miss the “images have been updated”
announce. I just set those links to use the “current-live” directory
instead of the release number one, so the links should be automatically
updated next time the version is updated without any human action (I
mean on the www side, I don't want to minimize the work of Debian CD and
Debian Live folks ;-). Links should be OK in a few hours (after the next
website rebuild).

Note that we can't use the same trick for the « normal » CD nor the
unofficial one with firmware, since we offer direct link to some images
(there is a number in the filename).

Regards

David

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Re: english/devel/website/working: missing closing parenthesis in cdvendors example

[David Prévot]

[ Sorry in advance for the long answer for such a tiny remark ]

Le 01/09/2011 10:33, Luca Capello a écrit :

> While reading through the website documentation, I found that we are
> missing a closing parenthesis at the end of the last paragraph of
> 
>   Separation of text from data
>   "What are these foo.def and foo.data files?"

Well, I intend to disagree on this point, maybe should we bring this
issue in the debian-l10n-english mailing list for more comment?

For other reader, the text spotted by Luca is:

(An updated translation for free! :-)

In my point of view, the text “An updated translation for free!” is
between parenthesis and someone added some extra and unneeded
characters, “ :-”, to show a “friendly face” at the end of the sentence,
resulting is a final “:-)”.

Adding an extra closing parenthesis would make it clear that the “:-)”
is an actual word, and on this point I disagree. Maybe should we simply
remove it (I don't understand what is the extra information that this
friendly face add): if the sentence is funny, no need to add extra
characters, pretending that the reader is dummy, to tell him: “now,
you've got the right to smile”, and if the sentence is not funny, it
should be change to match the intend to be funny, or simply be kept as
it is without the friendly face, no need to pretend we are some bunch of
friendly people that are always laughing when we are coding or
translating (well, I recently met other Debian people, and we all know
that's true, but no need to state it publicly).

> Before going on with the subject at matter here, there are three
> independent problems:
> 
> 1) some translations contains extra empty lines, which is a cosmetic
>issue, but still causes automatic tool to be adjusted for nothing
>(the value of the -B option for grep)

There are many contributors, and indeed many different “styles”. For
example, I like to separate each sentence by an extra empty lines, it
makes easier to read the diff if a sentence is later changed…

> 2) the Swedish translation uses a different style, i.e. it places the
>closing  on a newline, again bad for automatic tool (you can not
>grep for "! :-)", which means I do not see any other way I could
>use smart_change.pl...)

So the Swedish translator is the only one who actually read the whole
doc and adopt the rules [0], shame on the others!

0 : http://www.debian.org/devel/website/htmlediting#general

> 3) the Spanish translation does not follow the others, given it misses
>the opening parenthesis.  This is the biggest problem, because adding
>a closing parenthesis without the opening one generates a new error.
>Should that be fixed in the same run?  I would say no.

Looking at all the friendly faces on this page, you can also remark that
other translators takes some liberty on that matter :

$ grep -c :-\) */devel/website/working.wml
danish/devel/website/working.wml:3
english/devel/website/working.wml:2
french/devel/website/working.wml:1
[…]

Not sure if you can state that Danish translation is funnier or that
French is sadder… More seriously, Kåre, you may wish to verify that
there is no extra sentence or paragraph in the Danish translation, I on
the other hand confirm that the missing friendly face in the French
translation is fine.

> Going back to the point in question, I would add an extra space after
> the emoticon, though.

If we really want to edit this page for this “issue”, I would prefer to
simply remove them.

> Nevertheless, despite the fact that I have CVS
> commit rights, here the patch:

Ditto, patch attached. Thanks for your close look, I took extra care of
the various translations too.

> BTW, I found that using *Vendors.CD* as an example for the separation of
>  text from data is a bit unfortunate, given that there is no .data
>  file at all, and the subtitle says "What are these foo.def and
>  foo.data files?"...

It states that name doesn't matter, but if it makes it more difficult to
understand because of that, maybe someone could volunteer to rephrase
those using, e.g., english/events/ and the talks.wml, talks.data and
talks.defs files…

Regards

David

Index: danish/devel/website/working.wml
===
RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/danish/devel/website/working.wml,v
retrieving revision 1.21
diff -u -r1.21 working.wml
--- danish/devel/website/working.wml27 Feb 2011 14:43:05 -  1.21
+++ danish/devel/website/working.wml1 Sep 2011 15:54:27 -
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
 #use wml::debian::template title="Hvordan man arbejder på Debians websider" 
BARETITLE=true
 #use wml::debian::toc
-#use wml::debian::translation-check translation="1.37"
+#use wml::debian::translation-check translation="1.38"
 
 
 
@@ -172,7 +172,7 @@
 Hvis du opdager et link som ikke virker (404, 403, eller en side som ikke
 viser det, som linket siger), så ret linket og fortæl om det på debian-www 
så
 oversætterne 

Re: bugs.debian.org: [once more] Please add support for tag "wheezy"

[David Prévot]

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# The patches are only related to the website
reassign 639532 www.debian.org
user www.debian@packages.debian.org
usertags 639532 bugs
thanks

bugs.debian.org related bugs are usually submitted against the
www.debian.org pseudopackage when they only affect webpages:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?ordering=dir;src=www.debian.org#_0_1_5

Hi,

Le -10/01/-28163 15:59, Holger Wansing a écrit :

> Some of you may remember this issue, see #623524.
> There is some work left on this:

Thanks for spotting them and for the nice proposal.

> To make all this easier (and to not forget some occurences), 
> we should change all occurences to use an entity like the 
> already existing 'bts_tags' entity

Looks pretty sane to me, indeed.

> The existing bts_tags entity has the disadvantage, that there
> is no possibility to use a different formatting, what would be
> good here.

I haven't actually test your patch yet, but agree that this list would
look nicer using the  formatting, what about doing the same for
the severity (editing the bts_severities definition in
pkgreport-opts.inc the same way you did for bts_tags, as used in the
http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ page).

> Don't know why bts_tags is generated as it is:
> ---snip--
> # this is pasted from debbugs/etc/config

Maybe because, as stated in the comment, it was initially pasted from
debbugs? Maybe the goal was to use the list to propose a menu in the
form, but it has never been implemented (or was removed since)?

> -snap
> Are there special circumstances for this?
> I have prepared a patch, that changes this to a more generic way
> (without perl).

As you stated it, since bts_tags was only used in Bugs/index.wml, I
can't see any problem with that (the code looks easier to read the way
you propose it, so again, fine).

> And:
> On http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer.en.html#tags
> I would also add a list of tags via that entity as a headline 
> in top of all that long descriptions, because this list is getting
> longer and longer. For a quick overview such a listing would be
> good on the top.

Agreed.

> Patches attached.

Just a tiny remark: “cvs diff -ur english/Bugs” would have provided an
easier to read and apply patch.

If I'm not mistaken, besides Developers.wml, there is no wording change
in the edited pages, so it would be nice to provide also the same
changes in the translated pages, bumping translation-check if possible.

If you're willing to accept the few remarks (modifying bts_severities
and taking care of the translated pages), and since you already have
commit access, I'd be pleased if you could fix you own bug (maybe wait a
few days if other people want to comment on this issue too first). Just
ask if you need any help to take care of the translated pages.

Regards

David

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Re: Quote usage in gettexted WML

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Hi,

Le 01/09/2011 11:13, Jeroen Schot a écrit :
> On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 04:56:34PM +0200, David Prévot wrote:
>> Le 16/08/2011 11:35, Jeroen Schot a écrit :
>> […]
>>> I think the right solutions is to simply replace
>>> the single quotation marks with double quotation marks.
>>
>>> I have attached a patch that does this. I can commit it myself if
>>> there are no objections to it, but would be more confident if a
>>> regular committer would do this.
>>
>> Does your patch works ? I mean extracting the PO string *and* building
>> the resulting page (I would be surprised, in an happy way: I can
>> remember some headaches over there).
> 
> Yes, I have tested it with the translation statistics, stattrans.pl
> + make in {english,dutch}/devel/website. No errors and the resulting
> pages look OK.

Indeed, extracting the PO strings isn't a problem (and they stay
verbatim), the headache was maybe while trying to extract the gettext
strings directly from the stattrans.pl file, but your patch doesn't
touch this file (thats probably why we ended up writing some of the
translatable strings in the template file anyway).

> This same format is already used in template/debian/wnpp.wml:

Indeed, I remember playing with this one too, so there is no more doubt
on my side anymore.

>> Anyway, a proper solution would be welcome here (if you've double
>> checked your patch, I'll test it too ;-).
> 
> I have double checked the patch, so I would really appreciate it if
> you could test it.

I have no problem extracting the PO string locally, and can't notice any
issue in the generated stats pages (I had a quick look at every
translation, only http://www.debian.org/devel/website/stats/index.nl
doesn't present the translation of the “There are # pages to translate”,
since dutch/po/stats.nl.po is outdated, but you're probably already
aware of that, since you started this thread) either, and since I didn't
spot any error in the building either, I have no objection if you want
to commit your patch, assuming that Rhonda won't bite me (anyway, I
recently heard that “nothing can't be undone” in our geek world, so I
can't see any valid reason to stop you any longer).

Regards

David

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Bug#640054: Download pages should have prominent links to image verification instructions

[David Prévot]

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Hi,

Le 01/09/2011 16:00, Jurij Smakov a écrit :
> It appears that the main download pages for media do not contain any 
> links to instructions on how to verify that downloaded image is 
> authentic (see http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst, for example).

Not sure every point of the CD FAQ [0] needs to be duplicated in the
http://www.debian.org/distrib part of the website right now, and wonder
if this bug report should be merged with #612116 (where we should
document the merge of the CD/ and distrib/ part of the website, or maybe
should we use a wiki page for that, help welcome) or even with #381555…
Well, let's say that's an issue that need a proper proposal, and that
could be included in a bigger picture.

0: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify
#612116: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=612116
#381555: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=381555

Regards

David

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