EOL date of lenny

[Christoph Berg]

Hi,

this looks like a rant, but is actually a suggestion on where people
might look to find information.

I just tried to find out when lenny is going out of support, i.e. when
is "squeeze release + 1 year"?

* Go to www.debian.org
  The top section is just a random collection of (too many?) links,
  let's skip it.
  "Getting started" is not what I want, let's skip it.
  "News" only goes back to July 2011, as squeeze was released around
  February, let's skip this section.
  At the end of the Security Advisories, there's a link to the
  security pages, go there
* http://www.debian.org/security/
  Security Information doesn't say anything about EOL, let's try one
  of the buttons at the top
* http://www.debian.org/distrib/
  "Getting Debian" doesn't say when squeeze was released, let's try
  the next button at the top
* http://www.debian.org/support
  "Support" links to the release pages.
* http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/
  There it is: Debian 6.0.0 was initially released on February 6th,
  2011.

Admittedly, there is a link on the front page to exactly this page,
but it is in  font and hidden between lengthy other sections,
so I didn't see it.

As "Debian stable" is the only product we are selling (and maybe
oldstable), I think there should be more "real" information about it
on the front page, i.e. not only generic stuff people know anyway, but
also information that changes with every release and people will
actually need to look up. (The number of packages is a good example
for that.)

Christoph

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Bug#655447: www.debian.org: Broken lint at http://packages.debian.org/sid/gitolite

[Jari Aalto]

Package: www.debian.org
Severity: normal


At page 

  http://packages.debian.org/sid/gitolite

These links are broken (to the right):

  Copyright File
  Debian ChangeLog

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  Copyright File
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   Sorry, Jari.

* Jari Aalto  [2012-01-11 10:37:15 CET]:
> At page 
>   http://packages.debian.org/sid/gitolite
> These links are broken (to the right):
> 
>   Copyright File
>   Debian ChangeLog

 Thanks for yet another duplicate of the same bug, and thanks for caring
about gitolite so much you managed to get both upstream and the Debian
packager annoyed.  Now you try to get that annoyance over to the
webteam, but sorry, no.

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Re: EOL date of lenny

[Scott Ferguson]

On 11/01/12 20:22, Christoph Berg wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> this looks like a rant, but is actually a suggestion on where people
> might look to find information.
> 
> I just tried to find out when lenny is going out of support,
> i.e. when
> is "squeeze release + 1 year"?

It sounds like the sort of search term employed by someone that already
knows the answer to the question.

(I suspect a search of the release teams lists would find matches on
that term)

Maybe it just me - but I'd be searching for information on "lenny
security support"

> 
> * Go to www.debian.org
>   The top section is just a random collection of (too many?) links,
>   let's skip it.

Those links don't seem random - they seem like some of the most common
things people would be looking for.

Lets see - Support (list heading).
That's where I'd start looking for a "Support" query. (except I'm lazy
and would have just typed "lenny end of support" into the search box).

No - nothing on that page about Support lifetime - at which point I'd be
thinking of way to improve my search term.

"*security* support lifetime" doesn't yield anything on lenny in the
first page of results, so I try "lenny security support lifetime"
Nothing in the first page of results there either (no complaints
Raphael, I'm not requesting "search suggestions").

>From there I'd either follow the links on the page I'm on (Support) to
the wiki, or the mailing list - and search for "Lenny security support
lifetime".  The wiki doesn't give me the answer, but the mailing list
does - in spades (seems a few don't search the mailing list, they often
repeat the same question in posts).

Admittedly I'd probably have started with a search engine before going
to Debian.org
The search engine I tried gave me the answer in the summary of the first
few results using any of these"
"lenny end of support", "lenny end of security support", "lenny end of
life".

"lenny end of support site:debian.org" got me the answer as well (2nd
result)

>   "Getting started" is not what I want, let's skip it.
>   "News" only goes back to July 2011, as squeeze was released around
>   February, let's skip this section.

Whereas I wound up following "Updated Debian GNU/Linux 5.0: 5.0.9
released" (because that's Lenny)- and it contained various security
items. But *not* the information you were looking for.
That's another place it might be useful to have a link to a page about
security support periods.

>   At the end of the Security Advisories, there's a link to the
>   security pages, go there
> * http://www.debian.org/security/

And before that there's a list heading called "Security" - where I'd
gravitate to the FAQ - scroll down to #24 and have my answer.

Debian.org => Support => rethink
Debian.org => Security => FAQ => "Q: How long will security updates be
provided?"

OK - it explains the rule, and the reasoning. But I'd need to know the
release dates to get the answer. (if I was searching).

>   Security Information doesn't say anything about EOL, let's try one
>   of the buttons at the top


> * http://www.debian.org/distrib/
>   "Getting Debian" doesn't say when squeeze was released, let's try
>   the next button at the top

But if you were looking to see when Lenny security support ends - why
look for Squeeze release like that? Again - it seems like you know the
answer "squeeze +1 year".
In which case why not:-

Debian.org => Release Info => "released as version 6.0.0 on February
6th, 2011"

> * http://www.debian.org/support
>   "Support" links to the release pages.
> * http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/
>   There it is: Debian 6.0.0 was initially released on February 6th,
>   2011.
> 
> Admittedly, there is a link on the front page to exactly this page,
> but it is in  font and hidden between lengthy other sections,
> so I didn't see it.
> 
> As "Debian stable" is the only product we are selling (and maybe
> oldstable), I think there should be more "real" information about it
> on the front page, i.e. not only generic stuff people know anyway, but
> also information that changes with every release and people will
> actually need to look up. (The number of packages is a good example
> for that.)
> 
> Christoph
> 
> PS: Thanks for the new layout :)


I'd agree that the information is important, and not easy to find on the
Debian site (it's on wikipedia, for what it's worth).

Perhaps an entry at the top of the Support page (Security Support
Periods) leading to another page with the information on specific
support lifetimes, the rule that determines the period, alternative
support mechanisms (if any).

I'll echo the compliments on the new layout - and the latest tweak
improved the small scale rendering. Kudos - designing a simple, clean,
uncluttered interface to the universe of Debian information is no mean
feat.
Every year the amount of information grows, and the site layout and page
design improves. Thank you.


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Bug#548024: packages.debian.org: mirror doesn't close old databases

[Damyan Ivanov]

-=| Peter Palfrader, 23.09.2009 11:42:15 +0200 |=-
> We mirror packages.debian.org on rore.
> 
> After a sync there are still a few apache processes that have the old
> db files open, so after a couple of days rore runs out of disk space.
> 
> Restarting apache every few days isn't really that great an option,
> so it'd be nice if this could be fixed somehow.

Looking at the code, the DB files are open using the following logic 
(lib/Packages/DB.pm, init()):

(assuming persistent mod_perl environment)

 * at the start of each CGI process, open the DB files and store aside 
   their timestamp
 * when a request comes to an old CGI process and the DB files are 
   modified (using the stored timestamp), close the DB files and 
   reopen them. store the timestamp aside

To me it seems that with the above schema as long as all apache 
children get a request from time to time (and the db files are 
changed), file handles should be closed sooner than "days".

Old file handles could be kept open only if the apache child that 
holds them doesn't receive any requests.

One way to avoid this could be to use alarm() and untie the databases 
in $SIG{ALRM}. Not really nice, admittedly, not to mention that ALRM 
may already be used for something else or interfere with apache.

Another way could be to close DB handles after each request. I am not 
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Upcoming stable point release

[Adam D. Barratt]

Hi,

The next point release for "squeeze" (6.0.4) is scheduled for Saturday 
January 28th.  Stable NEW will be frozen during the preceeding weekend 
(21st/22nd).


As usual, base-files can be uploaded at any point before the freeze.

If there is a further kernel update planned for inclusion in the point 
release, it would be ideal if that could be uploaded over the coming 
weekend so that we can look at finalising the installer later next week.


Regards,

Adam


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Bug#612447: #612447: www.debian.org: Home button and menue line doesn't look good on small windows

[Damyan Ivanov]

retitle 612447 top-level links use much vertical space when wrapped
thanks

Hi,

Recently the web team adopted some changes in the www.debian.org 
layout, improving the situation of viewing the site on small devices 
or in small browser windows.

There is no longer a gap on the sides of the content when viewing the 
site on such a small screen.

The TOC-style links also should look better on small screen estate, 
even if not perfect. At least they now use wrapped texts and don't 
overlap each other.

I don't close this bug just yet, as the top-level links still look bad 
on narrow screens. This part needs work. Retitling the report 
accordingly.

The "You are /here"-style line looks fine unless the top links are 
wrapped. Not sure if this was the case when the bug was reported. And 
not sure how to keep the alignment when the top-level links are 
wrapped.


So far so good :)


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Bug #612447 [www.debian.org] Home button and menue line doesn't look good with 
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Bug#654205: marked as done (Please optimize the site for handheld devices)

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Severity: wishlist
User: www.debian@packages.debian.org
Usertags: design

- Forwarded message from Martin Zobel-Helas  -

Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 18:21:04 +0100
From: Martin Zobel-Helas 
To: debian-www@lists.debian.org
Subject: www.debian.org website optimization for handheld devices

Hi,

i played around a bit with our main page today, to have it better
viewable on handheld devices like cell phones.

The change i did was quite trivial:

--- index.html.12011-11-17 15:41:29.0 +
+++ index.html  2011-11-18 16:00:48.0 +
@@ -7,6 +7,9 @@
   
   
   
+  
+  
+  
 
 http://people.debian.org/~zobel/screenshot-1321635013272.png

after the change on a HTC Desire:
http://people.debian.org/~zobel/screenshot-1321634995114.png

before the change on a Nexus:
http://people.debian.org/~corsac/www/portrait-old.png
http://people.debian.org/~corsac/www/landscape-old.png

after the change on a Nexus:
http://people.debian.org/~corsac/www/portrait-new.png
http://people.debian.org/~corsac/www/landscape-new.png


If you want to try, my slightly modivied version is available on 
http://people.debian.org/~zobel/mobile-www/

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This are my thoughts about it (quoted from a mail sent to debian-www):

As MJ Ray pointed out, also on my Samsung Galaxy search box and download
box overlap the logos but apart from that the page looks a big
improvement.
IMHO we could create a mobile.css in which remove the left and right
margins from the content (which on a smartphone sounds like a waste of
space).
I also think that for the mobile version of the homepage we'd need to
remove some of the current content: as the space is less (and the screen
is smaller) we need to list only the essential parts of the page.
For example, I'd cut off the spacefun banner.
But we need to identify the essential parts (what the user is searching
on our website while browsing it with a smartphone?).

What do you think about it?


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Re: Patch for the CD FAQ

[George Danchev]

On Wednesday 11 January 2012 03:32:31 Steve McIntyre wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 01:07:01PM +0200, George Danchev wrote:
> >Hi,

Hi,

> >Here goes my third version of the patch aiming to address the verification
> >of burnt optical media, as well as the downloaded iso images. Thanks to
> >taffit for the feedback given on #debian-www irc channel.
> >
> >The -diff from previous version is:
> >* the whole entry is now renamed to: "How can I verify the downloaded ISO
> >images and burnt optical media"
> >* more exhaustive and user-friendly explanations, as well as examples.
> >* fix my erroneous wml code.
> >
> >I also thought of splitting the entry in two, 'ISO images' vs. 'optical
> >media', but the common portion dominates the specifics, so I think it is
> >more logical to keep them into one single entry instead of duplicating
> >text in separate entries.
> >
> >[1] attached is an improved version: verify-faq.3.diff.
> 
> Apologies for the extended delay. I've just merged your patch and
> tweaked slightly - please check that you're happy with the result.

JFYI, I'm absolutely happy with the result and thanks for your tweaking.

P.S. Until we find a better home for check_debian_iso script (as mentioned in 
the CD/faq), I think it is a good idea to have at least one DD-signature next 
to it, so I did, after reading/testing it of course... *.asc is to be found at 
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Bug#655484: www.debian.org: Debian Consultants page appears to be abandoned.

[James Bromberger]

Package: www.debian.org
Severity: wishlist

Dear Maintainer,
I email consulta...@debian.org asking to be added on December 3 2011, and 
January 4 2012, and have had no response and see no update to the page. As a 
Debian Developer for >10 years, it would be nice to be listed here.

My email from Dec 3 2011:
Hi I've been a DD since 2000, and am now consulting. Can you please add my 
details:

  Name: James Bromberger
  Company: JamesBromberger.com
  Address: Ardross 6153, Perth, Western Australia, Australia
  Phone: +61 422 166 708
  Email: sa...@jamesbromberger.com
  URL: http://www.jamesbromberger.com/
  Rates: on application



It may be worth checking the rest of the URls listed ot ensure the 
organisations still exist.


I would appreciate being added to this list. Thanks,



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broken link fix

[George Danchev]

Hi, the attached patch fixes a broken link.
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Index: index.wml
===
RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/CD/faq/index.wml,v
retrieving revision 1.105
diff -u -r1.105 index.wml
--- index.wml	11 Jan 2012 01:26:46 -	1.105
+++ index.wml	11 Jan 2012 17:00:00 -
@@ -614,7 +614,7 @@
   (Freeware)
 
   The process of writing an .iso image is described http://cdburnerxp.se/help/burniso";>in the program's
+  href="http://www.cdburnerxp.se/help";>in the program's
   manual.
 
   

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Re: broken link fix

[David Prévot]

Hi,

Le 11/01/2012 13:02, George Danchev a écrit :
> Hi, the attached patch fixes a broken link.

Thanks, also fixed in translations with the following command:

> ./smart_change.pl -s 
> 's#http://cdburnerxp.se/help/burniso#http://www.cdburnerxp.se/help#' 
> english/CD/faq/index.wml

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Bug#612138: www.debian.org: Old translation warning obscures main text

[Damyan Ivanov]

-=| Simon Paillard, 15.02.2011 00:21:02 +0100 |=-
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 10:23:32PM +0100, Simon Paillard wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 06, 2011 at 10:46:31AM +0100, Vincent Zweije wrote:
> > For those who want to reproduce it (as of now):
> > http://www.debian.org/index.uk.html

Still untranslated. Not good, but nice for reproducing the problem :)

It seems the current layout somehow works around the issue as a side 
effect. The trans-note appears just below the splash, in the gap 
declared using margin-bottom of the splash.

> Short summary:
> - div.trans-note in debhome.css uses a absolute, causing issues

This 'absolute' should go away. In narrow mode it causes the note to 
go right over the splash :/

> - this absolute position and "top: XXXpx" can be avoided if splash code moved
>   before the trans-note
> - but trans-note is from template, and splash from index.wml -> I tried with
>   splash in from template/mainpage.wml
> - but the span.download must be in index.wml to be translated (or content 
> moved
>   to gettext and still in mainpage template?)
> - if span.download is kept in index.wml, its html code will be after the
>   splash, what needs a negative top margin, what is not handled by epiphany,
>   our default web browser.
> 
> Maybe moving the span.download to gettext is our better option...

How about removing the trans-note definition from debhome.css 
altogether? This way it will look the same as on other pages (e.g. 
http://www.debian.org/CD/index.uk.html). True, it would be better to 
have it below the splash on the home page, but this would require 
hacks of all sorts to do without moving the splash in the template 
(and therefore the download too, ouch).

Anyway, here's a snapshot of the homepage without the special style 
for trans-note in debhome.css for consideration: 
http://people.debian.org/~dmn/plain-trans-note-homepage.png

Disclaimer: I head in the direction of simplifying just because I have 
no slightest idea what "moving download/splash to the template" 
involves. It that is not too hard, it would be better, generally.


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Re: Draft: policy for vendors listed on Debian website

[George Danchev]

On Wednesday 30 November 2011 20:32:20 Luca Capello wrote:
> Hi there!

Hi,

> Please do not Cc: me, I read the debian-www@ list.
> 
> Adding the debian-cd@ mailing list because I ask some questions related
> to the CD images.  For their information, the discussion started at:
> 
>   
> 
> On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 02:37:48 +0100, Javier Fernandez-Sanguino wrote:
> > On 17 October 2011 20:40, Luca Capello  wrote:
> >> On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 20:12:34 +0200, Luca Capello wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 20:25:16 +0200, David Prévot wrote:
>  Le 13/10/2011 04:16, Luca Capello a écrit :
> > On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 02:23:42 +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña 
wrote:
> >>  - Vendor has to sell the "Official CD Debian images".
> >>  
> >>Note: Even though vendors can send "additional CDs with
> >>unofficial software" I believe we should not list vendors which
> >>provide only "modified" CD Debian images.
> > 
> > What is the rationale for that?  "modified" could also means that
> > they change the default theme to their logo, for example, which I
> > found fair.
>  
>  If the CD is modified, how would it be possible to check if it is
>  indeed an official CD? It would brake the trust path…
>  
>  0: http://www.debian.org/CD/verify
> >>> 
> >>> Point taken, but I still think that there are different levels of
> >>> modification.
> 
> Actually, after having read again David's reply and the link he posted
> (which I re-added), I think the verify page should be corrected to warn
> that we are talking about CD *images*, not the content of them:

Actually, we can talk of both; JFYI: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify
now contains instructions how to *authenticate* and *verify*:
a) Debian ISO images.
b) Already burnt optical discs (claiming to contain Debian), you have been 
given by others, or resp. you've burnt yourself.

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Re: Who's Using Debian

[Kåre Thor Olsen]

On Monday 09 January 2012 22:32:58 Marco Bianchi wrote:
> Laboratorio di Calcolo e Multimedia, Università degli Studi di Milano,
> Italy
[...]

The site will be added to the "Who's using Debian" page shortly. 

Thanks for the addition to your submission, and thanks for your support!

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Re: Who's using Debian?

[Kåre Thor Olsen]

On Monday 02 January 2012 13:58:43 Cemil Degirmenci (Wavecon GmbH) wrote:
> Name of organization: Wavecon GmbH
> 
> Organization type: Commercial:
> 
> Debian is the defaultoperatingsystem at Wavecon, that is installed for
> customers and own usage. We have about 25 Workstations and 1500 Servers
> running Debian oder Debian-based systems

Could you please add a paragraph about why you chose Debian?

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Re: Who's using Debian?

[Kåre Thor Olsen]

On Wednesday 21 December 2011 06:08:57 anthony baldwin wrote:
> 1. Name:   Baldwin Linguas, New Haven, CT, USA 06513
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The site will be added to the "Who's using Debian" page shortly. 

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Re: Who's using Debian?

[Cemil Degirmenci]

We use Debian because its stable, reliable and flexible.


On 01/11/2012 07:18 PM, Kåre Thor Olsen wrote:
> On Monday 02 January 2012 13:58:43 Cemil Degirmenci (Wavecon GmbH) wrote:
>> Name of organization: Wavecon GmbH
>>
>> Organization type: Commercial:
>>
>> Debian is the defaultoperatingsystem at Wavecon, that is installed for
>> customers and own usage. We have about 25 Workstations and 1500 Servers
>> running Debian oder Debian-based systems
> 
> Could you please add a paragraph about why you chose Debian?
> 


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Re: Who's using Debian?

[Kåre Thor Olsen]

On Monday 02 January 2012 13:58:43 Cemil Degirmenci (Wavecon GmbH) wrote:
> Name of organization: Wavecon GmbH
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The site will be added to the "Who's using Debian" page shortly. 

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Bug#612442: www.debian.org: limit maximum width of text

[Damyan Ivanov]

-=| Lars Wirzenius, 08.02.2011 14:39:51 + |=-
> Package: www.debian.org
> Version: n/a
> 
> The new site design, rolled out with the squeeze release, is quite
> wonderful. I would like to propose, however, that the maximum width of
> the text would be limited, for the sake of readability, to something
> like 60em. If one has a very wide browser window for other reasons, it
> would be nice if the Debian site would still be easily readable.
> 
> As an example of such other reasons, I sometimes need to have a very
> large image open in one tab, and then switch to a different tab for
> Debian content. I could work around this by having the Debian content
> open in a separate window, rather than tab, or resize the window when
> changing tabs, but it'd be more convenient for me, and I suspect other
> readers, to have the Debian CSS to include something like this:
> 
> body { max-width: 60em; }
> 
> (Possibly some other element than body would be a better fit.)

I have given the idea a try, and met two obstacles:

 * 60em seems too little for the whole page. While a limit on the 
   total width seems like a good idea, perhaps the 60em limit should 
   be on a lower level - may be some classes of text-holding elements.
   The current limit, which triggers the "narrow" page layout is 50em 
   :)

 * Absolutely-positioned elements should be converted to something 
   else. The search box for example stays at the right corner of the 
   window, regardless of the 's max-width. Same with the 
   download button on the front page and the logo in the upper left. 
   This is perhaps not so hard to fix, but needs to be fixed somehow.

Sorry for bringing more questions than answers :)


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Bug#655484: www.debian.org: Debian Consultants page appears to be abandoned.

[Andrei Popescu]

Hi James,

On Mi, 11 ian 12, 16:20:09, James Bromberger wrote:
> Package: www.debian.org
> Severity: wishlist
> 
> Dear Maintainer,
> I email consulta...@debian.org asking to be added on December 3 2011, 
> and January 4 2012, and have had no response and see no update to the 
> page. As a Debian Developer for >10 years, it would be nice to be 
> listed here.

We could very much use help with
1. dealing with the huge backlog
2. implementing a more automated solution for dealing with such requests

> It may be worth checking the rest of the URls listed ot ensure the 
> organisations still exist.

This is being done by Giussepe Sacco and is also planned for the more 
automated solution mentioned above.

Kind regards,
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Re: Bug#654205: Please optimize the site for handheld devices

[Kalle Söderman]

On 20:06 Tue 10 Jan, Francesca Ciceri wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 09, 2012 at 08:36:48PM +0200, Damyan Ivanov wrote:
> > -=| Damyan Ivanov, 08.01.2012 21:45:30 +0200 |=-
> > > Attached is a patch which changes some CSS parameters when the page 
> > > is displayed on a "small" device. The definition of "small" is 
> > > somewhat arbitrary taken to mean a device, whise horizontal size is 
> > > no more tham 50em.
> > 
> > The home page can be seen in action with the patch applied at 
> > http://people.debian.org/~dmn/www.d.o/index.en.html
> 
> Hi Damyan,
> thanks for working on this one! 
> 
> Your patch is perfect: getting of rid of the overlapping of the Download
> and the Search thingies and provide a little more space for text.
> On my Samsung Galaxy in landscape mode the page is definitely good, less
> on portrait mode but still acceptable.
> I'm not completely sure on not enlarge also the footer to use all the
> available width, and probably we could drop some links from the "hometoc"
> but these are details.
> IMHO you can already apply this patch and close the BR :)
> 
> Cheers,
> Francesca


Hi folks,

It seems I'm a bit late with this one as the bug has been marked as
done. Anyway based on Damyans width idea I created a rather more complicated
patch that makes the site more suitable for smaller devices. 

Screenshots:



The patches shuffles the navbar around and makes it work better for
multiple lines it also reduces margins and makes the sidebar workable
for tiny screens. I made it today so have only done limited testing but
seems to work in all my browsers. Please find attached patch.

Any good?

ps. Long time no mail :)
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On 20:06 Tue 10 Jan, Francesca Ciceri wrote:
diff --git a/english/debhome.css b/english/debhome.css
index a90278b..892daaa 100644
--- a/english/debhome.css
+++ b/english/debhome.css
@@ -205,19 +205,34 @@ div.trans-note p {
 	margin:0;
 }
 
-@media screen and (max-width: 50em) {
-span.download {
-left: 0;
-right: inherit;
-position: static;
-margin: 2px 0;
-display: inline-block;
-background: #339900;
-}
-span.download a, span.download a em {
-color: white;
-}
-#intro {
-clear: left;
-}
+/*
+ * For small screens
+ */
+
+@media only screen and (max-width: 36em) {
+
+	div#content {
+		background-image: none;
+	}
+
+	span.download {
+		display: block;
+		position: relative;
+		right: 0;
+		left: 0;
+		margin: 0;
+	}
+	div#splash {
+		height: auto;
+		margin: 0;
+		padding: 0;
+	}
+	div#splash h1 {
+		padding: 0;
+		background-image: none;
+		height: auto;
+		line-height: 0.8;
+		margin: 0.8em 0 0.8em 0;
+		text-align: left;
+	}
 }
diff --git a/english/debian.css b/english/debian.css
index 5206341..1b9979d 100644
--- a/english/debian.css
+++ b/english/debian.css
@@ -882,19 +882,99 @@ ul.nodecoration {
 	padding: 0;
 }
 
-@media screen and (max-width: 50em) {
-#header {
-padding-right: 0;
-}
-input[name="P"] {
-width: 10em;
-}
-#content {
-margin: 0;
-}
-#footer {
-margin: 0;
-padding-left: 0;
-padding-right: 0;
-}
+/*
+ * For small screens 
+ */
+
+@media only screen and (max-width: 36em) {
+
+	div#content {
+		margin: 0 10px 0 10px;
+	}
+	div#header {
+		margin: 0 10px 0 10px;
+		padding: 0;
+	}
+	div#logo {
+		position: relative;
+		top:0;
+		left: 0;
+		height: auto;
+		margin: 0;
+		padding: 0;
+		min-height: 0;
+	}
+	div#logo a {
+		height: auto;
+		height: 61px;
+	}
+	div#logo a img {
+		margin: 0;
+		padding: 0;
+		display: block;
+	}
+	#upperheader p.section {
+		left: 70px;
+		top: 0;
+	}
+	div#searchbox {
+		position: relative;
+		margin: -31px 0 0 60px;
+		float: right;
+		bottom: 0;
+		padding: 0;
+	}
+	div#navbar {
+		display: block;
+		position: relative;
+		clear: both;
+	}
+	#navbar ul {
+		min-height: 1.5em;
+		display: block;
+	}
+	#navbar li {
+		display: inline;
+		float: none;
+		margin: 0;
+		padding:0;
+	}
+	div#navbar a:link
+	, div#navbar a:visited {
+		display: inline;
+		margin: 0 1.5em 0 0;
+		padding:0.25em 0 0.25em 0;
+		border: 0;
+		background-color: transparent;
+	}
+	ul.toc {
+		max-width: none;
+	}
+	div#maincol {
+		margin-right: 0;
+	}
+	div.tip
+	, div.important
+	, div.warning
+	, div.note 
+	, div.trans-note {
+		overflow: hidden;
+	}
+	div#second-nav {
+		margin-left: 1em;
+		width: auto;
+	}
+	div#footer {
+		margin-left: 10px;
+	}
+	div.trans-note {
+		position: relative;
+		top: 0;
+		right: 0;
+		left: 0;
+		margin: 0;
+		background-image: none;
+		padding: 0;
+		padding-left: 1em;
+	}
 }


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