debian website
Dear ladies an gentlemen,I found the languages at the Debian website somehow confused. If you chose at the top menu German you get French, when chosing French you get English...With best regardsAlexander v. Campenhausen SMS schreiben mit WEB.DE FreeMail - einfach, schnell und kostenguenstig. Jetzt gleich testen! http://f.web.de/?mc=021192
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Re: Visual problems on the front page
Hello again, Jutta Wrage wrote: At first the corners are already CSS. I can play a bit with the border-radius. But more it not possible in my point of view, if we do not want static box sizes. Posting the link to layouts was not really helpful for me at all. Maybe, a new layout will not have rounded corners at all. But until ha new layout can be applied to all pages, there is other work to be done first. If corners looks jagged with CSS that does not include images, I would suggest using images for the corners. This is entirely possible without using static box sizes. It's a pity the link to the layouts wasn't helpful, as at contains a lot of good examples of nice web design. When it comes to doing other work first, I would strongly suggest to put the look of the front page high on the list. Here's why: - The front page is the face of the entire Debian project; it's crucial to make a good first impression - Jagged corners, horrible combinations of colors, fonts that doesn't fit the logo's, -lines and a design that looks like it was pulled out of a monkey's ass in the 80's does not give a good first impression I'm not meaning to bash your or your website here - it is technically brilliant! I have a lot of respect for all of you, and your work. I love the Debian project. But, for heavens sake, do something about the design! I'm telling you this very plain and straight-forward, with constructive intentions. No, actually, I'm pleading you. :-) Now, I'm no web-guru. I've made a few pages, read a few books about the topic, had a subject about it at uni, been responsible for an intranet with 1,4k users but I truly suck compared to the clever people out there. If I felt I was the right guy to rescue the Debian front page, I would take on the task right away, but I'm not. I can point the finger, but not fix the problem. Here's a page a just made about rounded corners, which includes a screenshot of how jagged the corners look at my computer: http://www.pvv.org/~alexanro/rounded.html I understand the culture of the meritocracy, where every suggestion are responded to with a "do it yourself", That is not my thing normally. But your message was not really helpful at all. Maybe, the corners look more ugly on your computer than on my. Then a screenshot might have been helpful. Many people did not notice the switch to css instead of using table and fixed size images for the navbar. So it cannot be that worse. ;-) I'm sorry if you don't find "Wake up! The website is ugly and I think it hurts the Debian project!" helpful. That's all I have to offer right now. If it was up to me, I would introduce CSS-corners right away, even if the fallback was square corners. Everything is better than jagged edges. :-) I am really not sure, if gecko based browsers will display CSS3 corners differnent from the current CSS corners with -moz-border-radius in the CSS. I'm not sure either, but I believe they do. Doing it the same way as the majority of pages with rounded corners (images in the corners, without jagged corners), is also a possibility. Not an option, if you want to display the navbar well with font-sizes from very small up to extremely large. For larger text boxes images are an option, for small ones like the blue ones in the navbar, not. Why isn't it an option? BTW: look at the page with the free layout, choose larger font setting in your browser and see how that page breaks totally while the debian pages still are readable with large fonts. I invested several hours to find another solution for the navbar with the same look and feel as the old one with images. But everything did either not work at all or was totally broken with large fonts. Hey, at large font-sizes, the corners look a lot better. I must say I'm really impressed with how well the page scales with the font-sizes, browsers and screen sizes. That is incredibly well done and I'm totally inferior when it comes to skills like that. See, I'm not all full of critique. :-) No matter what direction you may choose for your webpage, I wish you the best of luck, and appreciate your work. Best regards, Alexander Rødseth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian developers location on world map
Dear Sir/Madame On page http://www.debui.vlsm.org/devel/developers.map.jpeg is a map of the world and information plotted on the map by Debian. Would it be possible to use the worldmap without your information, to put on a non-commercial page? In such case, could you please forward the map to me. Best regards Johan Stjernberg The Map Guide
Re: Debian developers location on world map
Hi Johan, On Fri, Mar 31, 2006 at 02:48:45PM +0200, Johan Stjernberg wrote: > On page http://www.debui.vlsm.org/devel/developers.map.jpeg is a map of > the world and information plotted on the map by Debian. > > Would it be possible to use the worldmap without your information, to put > on a non-commercial page? In such case, could you please forward the map > to me. We don't hold the copyright for the image. I'm not sure where to find exactly that map, but have a look at this page for lots of nice maps: http://xplanet.sourceforge.net/maps.php Cheers, Richard -- __ _ |_) /| Richard Atterer | GnuPG key: 888354F7 | \/¯| http://atterer.net | 08A9 7B7D 3D13 3EF2 3D25 D157 79E6 F6DC 8883 54F7 ¯ '` ¯ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian website
On 3/31/06, Alexander Campenhausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear ladies an gentlemen, > > I found the languages at the Debian website somehow confused. If you chose at > the top menu German you get French, when chosing French you get English... > Isn't the top menu you're talking about just to "Select a server near you"? The languages available are at the footer. -- Augusto Cezar Amaral da C Silva
Re: Visual problems on the front page
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 31.03.2006 um 10:59 schrieb Alexander Rødseth: Here's a page a just made about rounded corners, which includes a screenshot of how jagged the corners look at my computer: http://www.pvv.org/~alexanro/rounded.html 1. Tables are for tabular data! Use semantic markup! 2. We have had such corners in a table layout, which took a lot of hours unpaid work to be removed. 3. your example goes totally jagged with large font setting. You critizism is about a bit out of the way as nobody is payed her for several hundreds of hours a year. I personally am convinced that having page working for _everyone_ is much more importand than image corners with invalid HTML. And no. if they would look that ugly you try to make us believe, someone would have noted out that a year ago already. Not an option, if you want to display the navbar well with font- sizes from very small up to extremely large. For larger text boxes images are an option, for small ones like the blue ones in the navbar, not. Why isn't it an option? Because the pages are for _everyone_ and have not to be broken for people with bad eyes. If you do not understand, why breaking accessibility is not an option, I cannot do anything by that. We have to care that 22,000 page work with the layout. That needs several hundred vountary work a year. So it might be enough for you: we will have another solution for the corners, if ther is one, which is really an option without breaking accessibility. greetings Jutta - -- http://www.witch.westfalen.de http://witch.muensterland.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkQtduYACgkQOgZ5N97kHkfIXwCgvY1PHSmYaAwB3pKs964t2h3n 6MQAn0nI9A1CBUUvJPGZAuMOlv6d+0qc =s1o8 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Visual problems on the front page
Jutta Wrage wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 31.03.2006 um 10:59 schrieb Alexander Rødseth: Here's a page a just made about rounded corners, which includes a screenshot of how jagged the corners look at my computer: http://www.pvv.org/~alexanro/rounded.html 1. Tables are for tabular data! Use semantic markup! 2. We have had such corners in a table layout, which took a lot of hours unpaid work to be removed. 3. your example goes totally jagged with large font setting. https://ankaria.de/~dino/debian/www/rounded.html rounded corners could work nice with font large font settings. I really doesn't want to start a war about the table thing,... Once i thought the same way "tables shouldn't be in designs!" But with, there are several things that are much easier! For example this rounded edges :p just try to do this without tables. I know how painful this will be. I personally am convinced that having page working for _everyone_ is much more importand than image corners with invalid HTML. And no. if they would look that ugly you try to make us believe, someone would have noted out that a year ago already. Not an option, if you want to display the navbar well with font-sizes from very small up to extremely large. For larger text boxes images are an option, for small ones like the blue ones in the navbar, not. Why isn't it an option? Because the pages are for _everyone_ and have not to be broken for people with bad eyes. If you do not understand, why breaking accessibility is not an option, I cannot do anything by that. We have to care that 22,000 page work with the layout. That needs several hundred vountary work a year. So it might be enough for you: we will have another solution for the corners, if ther is one, which is really an option without breaking accessibility. greetings Jutta I think its good idea to give the debian website a new look. (this edges aren't relay important, aren't they?) Take a look at the "new" python website [1] for example. The design just look... "modern" - and.. yes.. the debian page looks much better with large fonts :p I'm not that familiar with this accessibility to estimate it right. All I know are theories. Perhaps it would be a good idea to ask a bit around - for people for who this is done and ask them, what they like about the page and what they don't like at the page it is now. And what they use to browse the page, some screenshots from it etc might help more than discuss what some here think might be good for them. Florian Ludwig [1] www.python.org ps. where can i find a up to date ToDo? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Visual problems on the front page
On Fri, Mar 31, 2006 at 10:55:41PM +0200, Florian Ludwig wrote: > For example this rounded edges :p just try to do this without tables. I > know how painful this will be. Luckily, other people have already done that work, they have managed to come up with nice solutions which have good cross-browser compatibility. I consider Mozilla-specific CSS a hack. For example: Rounded corners: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/customcorners/ Graphical navbars: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slidingdoors/ > I think its good idea to give the debian website a new look. Hm, yes - but IMHO the lack of a good navigation menu on the Debian website is a much more severe problem than whether some rounded corners are jagged or not, or whether the design looks "cool". > Perhaps it would be a good idea to ask a bit around - for people for who > this is done and ask them, [...] Part of my academic research is about web usability. It /might/ be possible for me to arrange a medium-scale usability evaluation (~60 student participants) for the Debian website. This will result in a list of problems which need to be fixed. However, this kind of thing only makes sense once the obvious problems have been fixed. Jutta is currently mostly alone with this immense task, so progress is slow despite the large amount of time she invests in the website. Cheers, Richard -- __ _ |_) /| Richard Atterer | GnuPG key: 888354F7 | \/¯| http://atterer.net | 08A9 7B7D 3D13 3EF2 3D25 D157 79E6 F6DC 8883 54F7 ¯ '` ¯ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#360294: www.debian.org: packages.debian.org search page displays wrong section of debian-installer packages
Package: www.debian.org Severity: normal http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=libfribidi0-udeb Show frbidi as non-free. But http://packages.debian.org/testing/debian-installer/libfribidi0-udeb shows that fribidi is part of the debian-installer section. The same happens to all of debian-insaller package (see http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=aboot-installer as another example). Thanks. -- System Information: Debian Release: testing/unstable APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable') Architecture: i386 (i686) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash Kernel: Linux 2.6.14-2-686-smp Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Visual problems on the front page
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 31.03.2006 um 22:55 schrieb Florian Ludwig: rounded corners could work nice with font large font settings. With css that works well only with larger boxes. I have spend several days on searching a solution for the navbar last year, before I decided to take the current one. But I think its good idea to give the debian website a new look. (this edges aren't relay important, aren't they?) Take a look at the "new" python website [1] for example. The design just look... "modern" - and.. yes.. the debian page looks much better with large fonts :p Yes, python.org looks modern. But if I increase font size in my browser the content in the middle of the page goes behind the right box - hidden. I have collected some ideas for Debian some time now. But nothing makes me believe "This is a Debian page". The major problem is the page head. On the other hand many people aske me: Why do you want to change that? It is nice now. Perhaps it would be a good idea to ask a bit around - for people for who this is done and ask them, what they like about the page and what they don't like at the page it is now. That is the problem: some want a new design, some want it like it is. Major problems are in the usability (links, page menus...) But that cannot be solved with a new design. ps. where can i find a up to date ToDo? my personal next steps (in work): - - http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2006/03/msg00122.html Debian wiki - - http://wiki.debian.org/WebDesignToDo with a link for the packages ToDo list Debian Website - - http://www.debian.org/devel/website/todo BTW: here a new example of a changed navbar: http://www.witch.westfalen.de/debian/dwww/index.de.html (navbar changed and Hx underlined) compare with: http://www.witch.westfalen.de/debian/dwww/index.en.html (removed round corners) Any css file with suggestions is saved and I have had put some online already (now removed due to a total clean-up in www directory for the moment). greetings Jutta - -- http://www.witch.westfalen.de http://witch.muensterland.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkQt0K0ACgkQOgZ5N97kHkdYOgCfSXaRjlrSyMOzraUVdpygSFTo JTUAoKwi5Ui2LWbeyKurWf1J9sOSR9Hp =MopW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Visual problems on the front page
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 01.04.2006 um 01:27 schrieb Richard Atterer: For example: Rounded corners: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/customcorners/ Works for boxes only, not usable for the buttons in the navbar Graphical navbars: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slidingdoors/ This are usable nice as tabs (round corners only top, not at bottom. Can be used with changed design. Hm, yes - but IMHO the lack of a good navigation menu on the Debian website is a much more severe problem than whether some rounded corners are jagged or not, or whether the design looks "cool". That is the problem... And we still need an outline of the page structure (not that on the file system) to create a good navigation. Who volunteers to start with it? Part of my academic research is about web usability. It /might/ be possible for me to arrange a medium-scale usability evaluation (~60 student participants) for the Debian website. This will result in a list of problems which need to be fixed. 60 are not really representative. But they may give us ideas, what is needed. - Where the typical Debian user/admin is not a student, I think. However, this kind of thing only makes sense once the obvious problems have been fixed. Jutta is currently mostly alone with this immense task, so progress is slow despite the large amount of time she invests in the website. Every help is welcome, help can also be investigating some oft the open problems, testing pages with different browsers, finding people who test the accessibiliy (especially comparing how the content is presented)... greetings Jutta - -- http://www.witch.westfalen.de http://witch.muensterland.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkQt2EgACgkQOgZ5N97kHkej6wCdG2U8Ud8H5qWZS4pBLYOcgFkd bEcAoKtSVuKS+JC0kurgb0OYaR4DDy8d =NlH3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Resultados 4o Periodo. Encuesta 5o Periodo. Integridad Pública. Candidatos Presidenciales
INTEGRIDAD PUBLICA www.integridadpublica.com RESULTADOS PERIODO 4: 02-Marzo-2006 / 17-Marzo-2006 Observamos el descenso de Calderón en la imagen general del panel de opinantes. Tanto madrazo como AMLO se benefician con este descenso.Mi opinión personal es que la campaña de Calderón es muy pobre. Hay una sobrexposición en la TV y totalmente egocéntrica. Todo es: "Yo tengo..", "Yo soy...", "Yo voy a..". Esto es muy cansado y no vende nada. Además, Calderón no está posicionado en la opinión pública. La única posición que está buscando es la de ser la opción del miedo a que AMLO sea Presidente. Veo muy poco futuro a este posicionamiento que ni siquiera ha logrado.Madrazo sigue la misma campaña y no ha logrado quitarse la opinion de ser altamente desconfiable como persona. Sin duda está muy bien posicionado como el candidato de las corporaciones y del status-quo. Garantiza que el PRI seguirá siendo la salvaguarda de todo lo corporativo: banqueros, industriales, sindicatos etc. Su problema es que estas son las primeras elecciones Presidenciales en que no habrá voto corporativo.AMLO está desde hace varios años fuertemente posicionado en el voto popular y en el descontento social por una política económica altamente concentradora y sin crecimiento. Con una habilidad política muy superior a sus adversarios sigue marcando la agenda de la campaña y todo el mundo político está esperando su siguiente movida. Además es un gran superviviente de situaciones sumamente difíciles que le dá un halo de invencibilidad: Salió airoso del ataque de los videos, se enfrentó abiertamente a la autoridad del Presidente de la República y del Presidente dela Suprema Corte de Justicia y los derrotó, desairó a Carlos Slim, ataca de frente a Salinas, desairó a los banqueros en su reunión de Acapulco etc. Sus adversarios lo quieren colocar como un candidato autoritario, peligroso,desconfiable etc. Yo no sé si estos adjetivos sean ciertos, lo que si me queda claro es que es un extraordinario estratega político y tiene el carisma, el lenguaje y la oferta política clara. Muy reconfortantes las opiniones acerca de la administracion de justicia en el país. A pesar de que se acepta que el marco legal no es necesariamente justo, dos terceras partes de los opinantes confían en los operadores del sistema de justicia . Este es un grán resultado. Esta pregunta la hice a principios de los años noventas y la respuesta fue radicalmente diferente: dos terceras partes opinaron que era preferible huír o pagar mordida. Ojalá y tenga comentarios de ustedes. Foro de discusión Ver ResultadosLo invitamos a participar en la nueva encuesta del 5o. periodo y dar su opinión a cerca de los candidatos presidenciales. Resolver EncuestaBuena suerte! Integridad Publica
Bug#360310: www.debian.org: Please consider plotchangelog for p.d.o/ copyright.html
Package: www.debian.org Severity: wishlist devscripts includes a neat plotchangelog program, and it would be awesome if its output would be included/generated with the enhanced html changelog :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
